Americans Abroad: Advantage Alex

Kieran Theivam April 28, 2017 231
Alex Morgan led OL in goals in their Coupe de France semifinal win. (photo courtesy Olympique Lyonnais)

Alex Morgan led OL in goals in their Coupe de France semifinal win. (photo courtesy Olympique Lyonnais)

Alex Morgan and Carli Lloyd are 90 minutes away from playing in their first UEFA Women’s Champions League Final, but only one of them will be celebrating come Saturday afternoon when they face each other for a second time in a week. The two U.S stars will meet at the spectacular Parc Olympique Lyonnais on Saturday as Lyon, the current holders of he Champions League, look to defend a 3-1 lead from last week’s first leg in Manchester.

Both Lloyd and Morgan started in the semifinal first leg, but neither was able to impact the game as much as their qualities have seen them do so on so many occasions. For Lloyd, she was forced to do a lot more chasing than creating, with Lyon dominating the ball. Morgan only really had one clear cut chance, which came five minutes into the second half, before she was substituted less than five minutes later.

The 3-1 score line for Lyon makes them overwhelming favorites to progress to their sixth final in eight years – winning three of their previous five. Despite Carli Lloyd saying after the game that her side cannot be counted out due to it only being half-time, it will take a minor miracle for City to overcome the champions and reach the final in Cardiff, Wales.

Lloyd and City will enjoy a final in two weeks, however, after they progressed to the Women’s FA Cup Final the week before their Champions League tie, overcoming Liverpool Ladies to reach the Wembley showpiece. The game will give Lloyd the opportunity to recreate one of the most memorable moments of her career after scoring twice at the home of English football at London 2012 in the Olympic Gold Medal match against Japan.

Morgan herself also has a domestic final to look forward to after scoring four against Henin-Beaumont in a 10-0 French Cup semifinal win.

While Lloyd and Morgan cannot meet in the Champions League Final, there is a solid chance there could be two Canadians in the showpiece finale, with Lyon’s Kadeisha Buchanan likely to come up against Paris Saint-Germain’s Ashley Lawrence, with Lawrence’s side also 3-1 up in their semifinal tie, gaining their victory away at FC Barcelona.

Elsewhere, both Crystal Dunn and Heather O’Reilly sat the weekend out, with Dunn’s Chelsea Ladies side scheduled to meet Manchester City, who were facing Lyon, and O’Reilly’s Arsenal Ladies due to face Notts County Ladies, who were forced to fold after their owner could not clear the club’s debts.
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Michelle Betos's Norwegian side has yet to collect a point after two matches. (Photo Copyright Patricia Giobetti for The Equalizer)

Michelle Betos’s Norwegian side has yet to collect a point after two matches. (Photo Copyright Patricia Giobetti for The Equalizer)

In Sweden, Ella Masar McLeod was on target for FC Rosengard as the Damallsvenskan kicked off last week, helping her side to a 3-1 away win at Djurgardens. Rosengard had opened the season with a 7-2 win against Kvarnsvedens just a few days earlier, with Masar McLeod scoring twice.

Also in Sweden, Savannah Levin, who won the NCAA Championship with USC last year, played for Gothenburg in a 3-3 draw away at Kvarnsvedens alongside fellow American, Sarah Teegarden, who graduated out of Wake Forest. Levin’s sister Cami plays for the Houston Dash.

Defender Gina Lewandowski played 90 minutes for Bayern Munich in the German Frauen Bundesliga at the weekend, helping her side to a narrow 1-0 away win at Duisburg.

The Norwegian Toppserien also kicked off last week, with American keeper Katie Fraine two-for-two in the first week with her club Avaldsnes. One of those wins came over Valerenga, the club former Portland Thorns keeper Michelle Betos joined in the off-season. Avaldsnes won the game 2-1, with Valerenga also featuring former Boston Breakers pair Stephanie Verdoia and Elise Krieghoff. Last time out, it was two losses from two for the trio of Americans, as they lost 2-0 at home to Røa.

Finally in Scotland, Florida Gators graduate Savannah Jordan played 24 minutes for her club Glasgow City as they won 3-1 away at Hamilton Academical on Sunday, which leaves them second behind Hibernian after just four games of the season.

  • #1Fan

    is US WoSo ready for the reporters to simply report about the game? or are we more interested in the side story of Morgan vs Lloyd? I would prefer an analysis of the game myself, but others may be different

    • Reality

      The CL would not be getting this kind of coverage here if Morgan and Lloyd were not there.

      Both Morgan and Lloyd are in Europe to:

      1) Gain glory in the CL
      2) Obtain publicity for their brand
      3) Reap a handsome fee
      4) Secure some experience that might help them to prolong their careers

      I think that both will have success in 2) and 3), possibly one of the them will succeed in 1) and whether either will succeed in 4) is an open question.

      • Steglitz49

        Carli can succeed in the FA Cup at the final on May 13th at Wembley.

        Unfortunately for Alex, the French Cup does not carry the same glory but they have a handsome trophy.

        Sarah hagen got precious little out of her sterling performance for bayern Munich in the German ladies Cup final in 2012 when she scored their first goal when BM defeated Frankfurt.

      • DNG

        Has Lloyd been a success in England? Is she bringing more attention and awareness to Manchester City Ladies? I’d argue that she hasn’t actually made their team better from what I’ve seen. Lyon seem to be getting some good exposure for their stars no matter Morgan’s impact on the field

        • Steglitz49

          Manchester City has reached the FA Cup final so I would reserve judgement till they have played Brum’s Ladies.

        • Reality

          I think Lloyd has garnered more publicity for the MC Ladies in England. As to whether she is substantively helping the team is another question.

        • #1Fan

          Ironinc..City add lloyd , Notts Co go bust. Mkt fprces .

          • mockmook

            Market forces:

            Aren’t we pretty safe in assuming that all the teams are losing money?

          • #1Fan

            Sorry, I fail to see your point. Every player in a market has different risk tolerance. The fact that some have deeper pockets is still a reflection of the market.

      • #1Fan

        do you really think 4 is a factor?

        • Steglitz49

          Not for Allex but maybe for Carli.

          • DNG

            HA it’s funny that I see it exactly the opposite. Carli is more or less done no matter what she does because she can no longer really run. Morgan seems to be on the downslide too looking for ways to expand her game.

          • Steglitz49

            Alex has already damaged her knee once. Now she has the warning examples of ARod and Zlatan to contemplate.

            I presume that Alex wants to play in WC-19 and probably also OG-20. With her pedigree and status, she is a shoe-in into the WNT and she has the smarts to not do a Pinoe just like Zlatan has chosen to decline $16m.

            As for Carli, she has to fight for her position but provided she puts in good work for Man City at Wembley, why not. Carli gets to walk out on that hallowed turf (English use of the word = green green natural grass) for a second time.
            — The German goalie for Brum’s Ladies has explained how much it means to her to play at Wembley. She almost borrowed Stenmark’s immortal phrase — “It is not so easy to explain to those who don’t understand”.

          • Breakers fan

            Why would you say that Morgan, three years younger than Usain Bolt, or any 27 year old soccer player, is “on the downside”? Like any player she’s looking to expand her game but her age, in terms of speed, is not a factor at this time and won’t be for a few years.

          • DNG

            I think it’s already a factor. I don’t think she quite has the burst to break free that she did 4 years ago when she was 22/23. Unless something dramatically changes in the next couple of year I don’t think she’ll get close to her 2012 season. 25 is generally the physical peak age for soccer players and after that pace usually starts to dwindle down.

          • Breakers fan

            I doubt any American player will get close to her 2012 season in the foreseeable future. Let’s keep an eye on that. Point being that’s not the measuring stick by which to measure whether she or anyone else is successful.
            Didn’t know about this 25 thing as a peak for soccer players. Clearly you’ve read a study or two on the matter in a respected scientific journal considering how authoritatively you write about it. Would appreciate a link(s) if you can provide them.
            I see her burst as still being good enough to succeed. Not even sure it’s diminished. Your or my eye test here is not reliable scientific evidence, of course.

          • #1Fan

            do you consider her time at Lyon a success so far ?

          • DNG

            What are we defining as success? I’m probably going to need to see her play some more before I can conclude on whether or not she has picked up a lot playing in Lyon. My guess would be that 4 months is really not enough time though.

          • Breakers fan

            May I offer a prediction of your verdict?
            If I can, without waiting for your answer it will be this: She has not changed in any kind of noticeable way. Lyon time a failure in the end. Let me know when you make up your mind about it.

          • #1Fan

            im asking a question. I dont have a view on it. I wonder if she expected to play more?

          • Breakers fan

            I provided my answer to your question. I then wondered if you had an opinion as it was the topic on the table. I now know you don’t, so thank you for answering

            . Did she expect to play more? My guess is that knowing their roster she had her doubts and that she’s been fine with how much she’s played, *knowing the roster*. Would she have liked to play more? I’d say yes – any true competitor would.

          • #1Fan

            well I thought I put the topic on the table 🙂 Hard question to answer but i said expect. not like. You seem to be suggesting that she did not expect it. Ty.

          • Breakers fan

            My answer is that she didn’t know and is not surprised, because she knew their roster. Only she can tell us, of course.

          • Ethan

            If I was her, I’d have been surprised to play the full 90 in both Wolfsburg legs, and I’d have been disappointed to have played only 55 minutes in the first leg of the Man City match. (I’m not surprised Morgan was subbed out early though because she got the full 90 in the French Cup semifinal while Le Sommer and Hegerberg both played 45 minutes.)

            Morgan couldn’t have expected that period of 4 or so games (I’m not sure) she missed because of sickness though.

          • #1Fan

            Which is a bigger game ?

          • Ethan

            Well, the Manchester City game. I’m just saying I’m not surprised based on how Precheur’s allotted time to Morgan, Hegerberg, and Le Sommer since Morgan’s been at Lyon. (i.e. Morgan and Le Sommer both sat out a match that Hegerberg played a half in before the first leg against Wolfsburg. Hegerberg started on the bench while Morgan and Le Sommer were the front two.)

          • Steglitz49

            By all accounts Alex is enjoying herself and getting on well with her colleagues. That in itself is worth something. I doubt that she has mastered the art of the French kitchen yet. I saw her making crepes with Saki and Caroline on a video clip.

          • Breakers fan

            I’ve only seen clips, so no clue. How about you? Have you seen all of her complete games on video?

          • DNG

            I’m going to ignore the snark. Here’s an article doesn’t cover everything and there are more out there that I do not wish to look for right now.

            http://www.espnfc.com/blog/tactics-and-analysis/67/post/3056495/soccer-age-curves-show-strikers-like-cristiano-ronaldo-can-continue-longer

            I’d probably compare Morgan to a winger rather than a striker based on how she plays. Zlatan Ibrahimovic is good at his age largely because he has never relied on pace to be a top player.

          • Breakers fan

            The snark – not really – but if you want to call it that – came due to your undocumented quoting of age 25 as The peak age for soccer players, if not for sprinters. Stated as fact. Even if 25 is some magic number – which you proposed in relation to Morgan and every other player – when the decline begins – you know there would be huge variation in that and that even if a decline happens around that time it is a very slow one. Your article – I’ve just glanced at the graphs so far and both of us would be utterly trusting this guy’s “data” without testing it –shows strikers to peak at 27. But since Morgan is now a winger we conveniently and of course completely coincidentally arrive at the sentence in your article which supports your claim. Regardless of what either of us writes she’ll play on and we’ll be over here writing about it. That goes without saying.

          • DNG

            You gave one example of one sprinter who has in fact declined since he was younger or so. Bolt’s fastest time 100m was recorded in 2009. That’s 8 years ago when he was 22. I gave you a general age. I never said it generally seems to be around 25 where speed starts to get lost and this is talked about in the article. The reason I compared Morgan to a winger is because I don’t think that a majority of male strikers on which the data set was constructed mirror her skill set at all. The way she plays is dependent on pace much like a winger’s is(generally speaking). Could she be an exception. Of course she could but I would guess that we are more likely to see her decline in the next two years leading up to the WC. Williams is already clearly a superior athlete even if I don’t think she has the rest of the game to go with it.

          • Breakers fan

            World’s fastest man still at age 29 and 11 months in 2016. Meaning of course ‘better than everyone age 18-25, not to mention 25-29. If you want I’ll do more research about sprinters. My point is simply that age 27 is not an age about which to put one’s hopes into thinking someone is no longer fast or quick enough to succeed and succeed well. Lynn Williams? Agree – great athlete. Faster than Morgan and everyone else probably in the world at forward. Quicker? Not sure about that and that’s a real factor. Better soccer player than our other forwards? Like you, not to my eyes yet.

          • DNG

            You are talking about the fastest 100m sprinter in the history of sprinting. Morgan is not comparable to Bolt in any way. I did not put an age limit on Morgan. If she’s still the best striker in the country at 35 than she should play. I gave an opinion that I don’t think she quite has the pace she once did and don’t see that improving in the future.

          • Breakers fan

            I’m talking about human beings doing that thing called running and how it relates to age. She is comparable in that she was quite arguably the world’s best at her position a few years ago. You said “she’s on the downside” I provided evidence and am happy to look for more that it’s a leap to think 27 is “on the downside” in terms of that quality being still quite useful, the difference, in succeeding in her sport at different instances in time during a game- which means scoring goals, or helping her team otherwise with her speed. Her speed now can still be a very good weapon. Do you agree with that?

          • DNG

            If she continues to help the team I don’t care how she does it. If it’s with her speed at 30 so be it. I think Morgan and all of the other forwards have a lot to prove if they want to be on the 2019 WC squad. I don’t see a clear stand out right now.

          • Breakers fan

            Do you feel her speed now can still be a weapon to succeed at points in time in a match?

            I’ll be shocked if some new forward appears on the scene beyond the ones we’re currently familiar with. Meaning we know who our 2019 WC forwards will be, within a small group of candidates. I look forward especially to hearing when our forwards don’t measure up. Those are the most fun comments to read. That’s called sarcasm.

          • DNG

            Right now yes. I just don’t think it’s the same dominant tool it was when she was 23. You’re probably right about the forward pool not being expanded. I’d like to see a lot more given a shot though. Ellis can start with inviting Savannah Jordan into the next camp assuming it’s in a FIFA window. It’s not so much that I think the pool will change dramatically in the next 2 years as it is I think the team doesn’t need as many center forwards as they took during the last WC

          • #1Fan

            i bet i could find out where AM finished in the last speed test. I am guessing somewhere between 5 and 10

          • DNG

            Who do you see as definitely faster? I was thinking these 4 should be.

            Williams
            Pugh
            Dunn
            Ohai

          • #1Fan

            O’Hara ? Short ?

          • DNG

            Yeah they’re probably faster too.

          • kernel_thai

            Im always amazed at how other people perceive O’Hara’s speed vs the way I see it.

          • DNG

            How do you see it?

          • kernel_thai

            Ive never considered O’Hara as very fast. I think the reason she was moved back to the midfield when she came out of college was the perception she wasn’t fast enough to be an international forward. On the other hand KO is a machine. She can give u near top speed all match long and be just as fast at the end.

          • mockmook

            I think the reason she was moved back is that she doesn’t consistently finish chances at the international level

          • DNG

            I always thought the reason she moved back was because she wanted to play and she was so far behind the pecking order at forward that the only place she was really going to get minutes was at OB. I could be wrong but I don’t think her speed had anything to do with it.

          • Ethan

            Well, Krieger should be brought up because she had the fastest recorded sprint speed at the 2015 WWC.

            I’m sorry if I offend anyone by bringing this up so often, but I really want to know how exactly they came to that conclusion.

          • kernel_thai

            I think Williams is the fastest on ur list but I also don’t think Morgan was ever faster than anyone listed there.

          • Breakers fan

            What is the speed test? What distance and how many chances on how many days do they get to record times, do you know? The precise results would be helpful too – I mean 5.1 vs 5.2 means nothing.

          • #1Fan

            they do physical testing in Camp – 40 . Arrowhead , Beep and Vert . the precise results are circulated to the players and ranked . They produce a rank for all the players from top to bottom and averages by position.

            5.1 to 5.2 does mean something if you are trying to assess elite speed. If there are a load of players in the same ballpark, then non are necessarily elite right ?

            Noe of these tests mean much in soccer terms , but the certainly use them and place some value on them

          • Breakers fan

            I’m trying to decipher that. They’re timed once in the 40 on one day- is that right?

            For me it would be interesting to also time players in the 10, the 20 and 30 when acceleration hasn’t kicked in as much. How often do you run a 40 in a match and have that be what decides whether you succeed or not, as opposed to shorter distances?

            What is “arrowhead”?
            Beep test I know about.
            Vert means jumping, I assume.

          • #1Fan

            how often does a D Lineman run a 40 ? they run 2x Its just a measure of speed that they use.

          • Breakers fan

            I know about the 40. I simply expanded on the notion of possibilities of measuring speed in soccer and the usefulness of such data. What did you think about my other ideas?

          • #1Fan

            I think is about getting an overall impression of physical tools for them so I think they do enough. We know the game is not purely physical and to boil it down to that is dangerous.

            However, I still believe that is what AM has relied upon for the bulk of her success and I know that at one time she was near the top of speed testing. I know she no longer is , but I dont know where she currently ranks.

          • Breakers fan

            Regardless of her ranking on the team there are players there now who weren’t there before so ranking is relative. Her times during the various years would be the only thing to look at there. My point is that speed (40) is different than quickness (the 10 or 20 yard dash). And then, as you state, so many other factors go into what makes a good soccer player that these numbers have limited usefulness.

          • #1Fan

            my bad, I assumed we were discussing elite speed. elite remains elite. Bo

          • Breakers fan

            I was discussing whether Alex Morgan’s speed now can still help her be successful, whether it’s declined point 2 or not – something none of us really knows.

          • Steglitz49

            40 yds is relatively standard for assessing acceleration. Some use 35 yds. 10-20 yds are too short. You reach peak speed around 25-40 yds.

            In soccer acceleration matters, not speed, because you use it to get past or lose your marker.

            The other 2 components are ball skills and vision (sometimes called soccer IQ).

            The Golden Generation had all 3 in buckets. The full Monty. This was necessary because their size is against them. The nadeshiko gave away on average 4″ and 15-20 lb in weight to their opponents.

          • DNG

            I think arrowhead is a cone agility test.

          • #1Fan

            it is .

          • guest

            Jordan has 0 interest in being apart of the national team. She’s rejected call ups like 3 times before.

          • DNG

            I don’t know if your information is right or wrong but do you have any sources?

          • #1Fan

            forgetting her age, is it s stretch to say she is on the downside ?

          • Breakers fan

            About “speed” – I have no clue if her time in the 60 or 100 or 30 differs now from what it was at age 22. My guess is that if her 60 was – random time here – 6.3 it may be 6.5 now. She’s a little older and has had surgeries but training methods have also improved, so it’s hard to speak about this with any certainty.

            Point being when talking about Morgan and speed the way it should be addressed in order to reflect reality the most accurately would be to say “If she’s lost a step or half-step she’s still plenty fast and quick for that aspect of her game to still be a very valuable asset.” To say “shes on the downside” as a way of addressing the topic is not a good way to cover the subject, when she *may* have lost just a couple tenths of a second.

            Downside is some precise mathematical number/point that doesn’t really matter. What matters is if that quality can still help her get into position to score goals, take shots.feed teammates by getting her open in space. The precise mathematical point is a triviality at age 27, in my opinion.

          • #1Fan

            to use your terminology, my opinion is that the frequency of her doing those things is declining. There are other things she can/could do and time will tell if she acquires the skills to do them consistently or if she is given the chance to do them

            Target players tend to age better than fast twitch ones. Savvy lasts a long time.

          • Breakers fan

            If declining means 9 times instead of 11 does it really matter? And as you say, she may now be better able to do different things that bring her speed into play more often so maybe we’re back to 11 when her speed/quickness becomes a factor.

          • #1Fan

            Do you think the NT or Lyon are treating or using Morgan like an elite level striker? I dont. Im just looking at how she has been used. Maybe its injury related. I think both teams at best think there are multiple options and at worst think there are enough better ones at present.

            Clearly they may be proven wrong.

          • Breakers fan

            I haven’t anaylzed it in any depth and don’t care to. I don’t care about the thoughts of their manager about her as I would have no idea if he has some bias against her for whatever reason.

            For me, it’s just: She’s over there, she’s training daily with excellent players, she’s working on things she thinks she needs to work on. The coach is using her in some way. She’ll be back here pretty soon and we’ll be able to see her in the NWSL for about half the season. That’s as deeply as I think about it. Too many unknowns that I choose not to speculate about.

          • #1Fan

            Maybe. I think there was a time when undoubtedly she was the best the US had. Im not sure thats still the case. hence my comments she has lost a step.

            Either way, everyone is entitled to an opinion.

          • Steglitz49

            If Alex is not the best, someone else must be by definition. Please tell us who is better than Alex?

          • mockmook

            But you are speculating that she is as valuable as ever, i.e., is not on the downside

          • Breakers fan

            I’m saying:
            1. We don’t know if she;s on the downside.
            2. The “downside” is an absolute middle point. If she has gone to the other side of it, IF, then it probably means, considering she’s 3 years younger than someone who is still the world’s best at sprinting and Morgan had some of her success through sprinting, meaning she was faster than her opponents by a good amount then at 27 she is likely still so. Therefore, that even if she is “on the downside” it doesn’t matter in terms of her speed relative to her opponents because she’s only 27.
            3. I’m also saying that the odds are that she’s improved in other areas of the game to make up for potentially a .1 or .2 loss in speed over 40 or 60 yards.
            4. Speculated that no one in the next 10 years will have a year like the 2012 Morgan had for the U.S., so to throw that in her face is cruel and belies another agenda.
            5. That her speed is still a weapon, and if you’re talking about Morgan and speed that is the first comment that should be made – if you agree with that notion.

          • DNG

            27 is not precise for individual athletes it’s an average based on a lot of player’s data who all play the game differently.

          • Breakers fan

            I’ve stated my feelings on this topic of speed re:Alex Morgan (or anyone else who is 27) in 2017 and how it relates to how they do on the field.

          • DNG

            The age itself is not important. There are outliers in every study. We can just as soon forget about her age and just talk about her speed now relative to what it was 4 years ago. I think it has an effect on her production on the pitch and will 2 years from now. She could prove me wrong of course but I have not seen it yet.

          • Breakers fan

            We shall watch…..with baited breath.

          • mockmook
          • Donald Flip Flop

            Thanks for contradicting yourself. Age matters. Now it doesn’t.

          • AlexH

            The problem with Alex Morgan’s speed and age really has nothing to do with her speed and age. The problem is that the younger, faster strikers aren’t good enough to replace her. Dunn is an excellent player but beyond that, who plays up top? Who other than Alex, Carli and Dunn have really produced. I am not hopeful that we will find player because the idiocy of our coaching staff combined with the closed shop nature of the CBA pretty much makes wholesale changes impossible. Not to mention that if such changes can be made it should be made on the backline first.

          • #1Fan

            production is a function of opportunity and post WC, its debatable if any have really produced vs anyone of any significance.

          • HOFCToDi

            Pure idiocy.

          • kernel_thai

            And who has. They have played three good teams and managed one goal and that was off a rebound. If u go back t last year it’s easy to make a case for Morgan being the second best offensive player behind Heath.

          • #1Fan

            I stand by my 3+/-

            Currently AM is not better than any of the other candidates, but she has a better history for sure.

          • Bill

            Granted. But does getting it done in the big and clutch moments matter?

          • DNG

            What are we calling production? Because if scoring goals for the NT is the only metric, and I’d argue it’s a flawed one, it would be easier to identify the few that don’t produce.

          • #1Fan

            have always said the same.

          • AlexH

            Well who, in your opinion, has produced up top by any metric, objective or subjective? Nobody has topped my thrill-o-meter as of late so I am just sticking to who puts the ball in the back of the net as my default attacker metric of choice.

          • #1Fan

            thats all im trying to say re Morgan. She is not elite relative to the competition for her role/spot. Sh ehas a much better resume, but the highlights were some time ago.

          • AlexH

            But does her competition have ANY highlights. I just don’t see anybody better right now. Jill needs to set up a system for the players she has not for the players she had or would like to have.

          • Steglitz49

            Alex Morgan scored the 1-1 equaliser in Brasilia. The fact that it developed from a foul that the inept referee missed does not detract from the fact that Alex scored.

          • DNG

            Like you no one has topped my thrill-o-meter either. I just don’t think the answer is to go back to default. Might as well look elsewhere since there is still another 2 years before the next WC.

          • kernel_thai

            If ur talking about Morgans future with the NT then the only metric is how she produces there. If ur talking legacy then Morgan lack of production on the club level to this point is a big factor.

          • kernel_thai

            Agree…when I saw Morgan back in 2011 I knew A-Rod was gone. When I saw Press I thought they’d ease Wambach out tho that didn’t happen. The vibe I get off Williams isn’t anything like either one. I wouldn’t be surprised if she a star on the NT but I wouldn’t be surprised if she simply has a lesser role. Still early tho.

          • DNG

            I think age still matters in a general sense and it applies to all players. There is a pretty clear correlation with advancing age an declining speed. How severe the bell curve goes depends on the individual player but the correlation is not in doubt.

          • HOFCToDi

            You can’t even get your story straight.

          • HOFCToDi

            Alex Morgan is the only individual in the entire USWNT player pool that has scored a goal against SWE in the last four years.

            ussoccer.com/stories/2016/08/12/19/37/160812-wnt-falls-to-sweden-4-3-in-penalty-shootout-after-1-1-draw-in-2016-olympic-quarterfinals

            ussoccer.com/womens-national-team/tournaments/2015-fifa-womens-world-cup/150612-wntvswe#tab-1

            ussoccer.com/womens-national-team/tournaments/2014-algarve-cup/140307-wnt-v-swe#tab-1

            ussoccer.com/stories/2014/03/17/13/10/wnt-wins-group-b-at-2013-algarve-cup-to-advance-to-final

            As a footnote, Alex Morgan was not available for the 2014 Algarve Cup.

          • Steglitz49

            The 60 yds does not matter in soccer, only the 40 yds and probably even only the 30 yds.

          • kernel_thai

            Ur argument is damned if u do and damned if u don’t. A lot of people have made the knock on Morgan that her game is just about speed so she goes to Lyon to try and become better at combining in the slower European game. But how do the French decide to use her? As a speed player. If Pretcheur sees her as a valuable in that role despite all the talent he has to choose from maybe the Morgan obituary is premature.

          • #1Fan

            from what you have seen, do you think he sees her as valuable ?

          • Steglitz49

            All Precheur’s players are internationals. Those in the starting XI and those on the bench. He is drowning in talent. Is he making the most with it? After the Champions League final on June 1st, we will have our answer.

          • kernel_thai

            Yes…the real question is one of degree. Is Morgan a big enough improvement of Bremer to to rate the big paycheck. I would say no. But when u factor in the Morgan marketing appeal I can see Lyon getting their monies worth. Morgan is featured in anything they do whether it’s media or public appearances. If u listened to the matches she is constantly in the conversation whether she’d scored or not. If Lyon wins the treble and gets some positive fan appeal from having Morgan be part of it I think they will consider this a success.

          • Steglitz49

            Absolutely.

          • DNG

            I don’t know what Pretcheur is thinking but it could just as easily be that he uses her as a speed player because he doesn’t see her as anything else. I have no idea just how valuable he thinks she is though.

          • #1Fan

            Pure speculation here, but I dont think he wanted her or particularly likes her game. i think its a big reason why he is leaving at the end of the season.

            Its a bit like Madrid, where Florentino Perez throws galacticos at managers and then fires them if they dont utilize them or win.

            Just my 2c

          • DNG

            That’s definitely possible. Marozsan and Morgan certainly have the appearance of Galactico signings. Rapinoe too previously.

          • Steglitz49

            Maro and Alex have achieved something. What did Pinoe do for Lyon?

          • kernel_thai

            Agree that he didn’t want her but he has still made efforts to integrate what she brings to the team.

          • kernel_thai

            I believe he is leaving because doesn’t want his roster selected based on marketing schemes. It’s easy to see his point but the place to fight it is when contracts r handed out. Once the team decided to pay Morgan & Maroszan it wasn’t unreasonable for them to expect the coach to integrate them. If it’s Kellermann next year I doubt he ill have any more input on key roster decisions.

          • Steglitz49

            Precheur has won everything once. He has done the Treble. He looks like doing it again. Time to move on.

          • kernel_thai

            Well I don’t think he has a choice about using her but he could have just as easily tried to shove her in a different role and pointed to her failure. Instead he has used her speed in outer seams to open up the middle for his craftier attackers.

          • #1Fan

            perhaps he sees LM in 352 as just that,

          • Steglitz49

            Alex defends too. She tracks back tirelessly and defends with aplomb.

          • Oh, brother

            The article is about men, not women. Try again.

          • Steglitz49

            Indeed.

          • Steglitz49

            Serena or Venus Williams?

          • Steglitz49

            BroSo, not WoSo. BroSo’s relevance to WoSo is hard to figure out and often not much.

          • HOFCToDi

            DNG is a freakin’ moron who talks out of his arse.

            How old was David Villa in calendar year 2010? How old was Xavi Hernandez in calendar year 2010? How old was Carles Puyol in calendar year 2010?

          • HOFCToDi

            DNG is a freakin’ moron who talks out of his arse.

            How old was Miroslav Klose in calendar year 2010?

          • guest

            injuries are the main factor. morgan’s whole game is based off of speed. losing a step would have a bigger impact on her game.

          • kernel_thai

            I feel the two situations r completely different. Lloyd’s question is as she slows down due to her age can she still play at a high enough level to impact the international game. Morgan is more about the style she is best at is being phased out and can she adopt the current style to remain relevant.

          • #1Fan

            i dont agree. I do not think her style is being phased out. A dominant players style is never phased out. You are just seeing the impact of her not being perceived dominant by the NT coaches.

            Up to her to prove them wrong.

            Remember, Lynn Williams is allocated.

          • kernel_thai

            If Morgan’s style isn’t being phased out by Ellis, why is Lloyd starting in her spot? Certainly Lloyd isn’t replacing Morgan….ud expect Williams to try and do that. Lloyd is there because she brings something different in Ellis’ clouded vision of the game. As to Williams, she’s faster and more of a physical presence than Morgan ever was but isn’t making near the impact. I think this is more about the current coach and less about any players skill set.

          • #1Fan

            my 3+/- on Morgan NOW, would be

            + Experience, Good finisher., Workrate
            – One footed, predictable movement, Touch

            At her peak, you could add elite speed/quickness Dont think you can now. Good speed, but not elite.

            My pint is I dont think her + qualities are enough to define a “style” she was/is a very effective sit on the shoulder, get in behind and finish player. That never goes out of style. I think the coaches feel that given she has lost a step, there are other players who can do that better. Dunn being one. Williams perhaps.

            I dont think its accurate to say Lloyd has replaced Morgan positionally. in that 3412 there were 2 strikers and a 10 .

          • Steglitz49

            Alex Morgan’s most famous goal is a header. Alex’s goal in injury time against Italy in 2010 was struck with her right foot. She scores a fair number with her weaker right foot.

          • yo

            I still think she’s elite with speed. And, she knows what to do with her speed unlike other players. I definitely think she’s not predictable either. That goal against Germany last year? Who was expecting her to volley it over the centerback and smash it in with her other foot? You have to watch her with Lyon in the Champions League. On the wing you see her movement and intelligence. Her first touch looks good- I recall during the first Wolfsburg game Renard sent a great long ball down and Alex, who was being marked by 2 centerbacks, touched it down in the perfect place and just hit the post from outside of the box. It didn’t even look like a dangerous chance when it got played. And she played an amazing through ball to Hegerberg that split the defense that Ada basically bottled. She’s still a great player, but Ellis isn’t giving her fair time to show that off recently. I think she’d be substantially better and more dangerous than Carli in the position she’s in now.

          • Ethan

            I certainly wasn’t, and would a one-footed player have done that? Morgan’s nowhere near two-footed, but she is better with her right foot than a number of people seem to think. [I remember I had an argument about this with a poster who used to comment here (FO0tballNowAndAlways?).]

            Her touches were a little off in the first leg against Manchester City; so I don’t think she’s consistently better with her touch right now. However, that control from the Renard through ball is the best I’ve seen Morgan control a difficult to control ball, and I was a little annoyed that the commentators could only focus on how she scuffed the shot.

          • Steglitz49

            Hear hear!

          • guest

            morgan wasn’t great at the rio olympics. nor the world cup. likely a factor in her receiving less time to show off.

          • kernel_thai

            Ill give u another minus that I think has played into her production. Morgan has a long stroke on her shot when she goes for power. It gives the defender more time to position for a block. Now take someone like Ohai who has a short stoke. She doesn’t hit it as hard as Morgan but is harder to block and it allows her better accuracy. Another Morgan problem is decision making. She seems to commit to shooting whether the shot is still there or not and ends up shooting from very bad angles.

          • Steglitz49

            Alex Morgan is rightly considered one of the best WoSo players of her generation. Only a couple can compete with her in ability and even less in fame.

          • Ethan

            Just to pick on one of your -‘s:

            Well, that one footed player made a pretty important pass to Abily for Marozsan’s goal with her right foot, and her pass to Hegerberg for Marozsan’s goal against Wolfsburg was with her right as well. In my opinion, neither of those passes were obvious options. Morgan could have simply passed backwards against Man City (she actually could have let the ball go out for a corner), and she could have continued to dribble forward instead of passing to Hegerberg against Wolfsburg. Morgan’s obviously left-footed, but she’s made quite a few good plays (leading to chances/goals) throughout her career and up until now with her right foot.

          • #1Fan

            Does not change the fact that she is one footed. Obviously she can use her right foot.

          • Ethan

            Okay. Well, I hope you bring that up as a criticism for the great majority of players when the appropriate time comes up.

          • Steglitz49

            Don’t wait up past bedtime because he won’t.

          • #1Fan

            Amazing . its 3 PLUS MINUS why do you only focus on a minus ? Does she have none ? What are your 3 pluses and minuses please.

          • Ethan

            It’s just a minus brought up that makes no sense to me. I’m well aware of Morgan’s minuses. For example, I agree with kernal_thai that Morgan takes too many ill-advised shots. Plus, she doesn’t have the best touch on the ball, and she’s not the greatest dribbler.

          • #1Fan

            so you think Morgan is 2 footed. Ok .

          • Ethan

            Okay, I’m going to leave it at this. When you use “one footed” as a minus, it gives the clear implication that most players use their weaker foot to better effect than Morgan. That’s simply not true in my opinion. Morgan very much has a dominant foot, but she isn’t one footed to me.

            Now, if by saying “one footed”, you mean “has a dominant foot”. Then, yes, Morgan is one footed. So is the great majority of players. Pointing out a minus that would be applicable to almost everyone doesn’t make any sense to me.

          • #1Fan

            no , when you use one footed as a minus it is a statement that its a weakness in HER game. its not a relative statement, it refers to Morgan.

            one reason she is less effective now is her one footedness. She want to go by the defender on the defenders RIGHT to set up her shot with her left. Now she s not as quick as she was and defenders over play, she ends up taking several poor angled shots with her left foot. That is a weakness/ minus for a striker.

            Morgan rarely goes to her right because she does not trust it. Can she pass with it ,sure. but does she trust it to shoot accurately, not really.
            Is it an issue when you can get to your spot all the time thru pace and trickery, no.

            Messi is one footed, Its not a minus. Robben is one footed, not a minus.

            And as you said – Ill leave it there.

          • Steglitz49

            You type — “Can Alex pass with it ,sure. but does she trust it to shoot accurately, not really.” — yet she scored her goal against Italy in 2010 with her right foot. It was in injury time and a get-out-of-jail goal.

            Alex also scored a goal against Germany with her right foot. Scoring against the German lasses ain’t easy but Alex used her right paw.

          • Steglitz49

            You must concede to hime otherwise he gets upset. If you remonstrate and are proven right too often, he blocks you. He can’t cope, poor lamb.

          • Steglitz49

            Her goal against Italy in injury time in 2010 was with her right foot.

            Alex may favour her left foot 80% of the time but her right foot is better than that of many other players.

          • guest

            “She’s faster and more of a physical presence.” Nah I’ve seen Alex body people off the ball at the highest level internationally. And faster… is she really? Either way, Morgan’s got 10x the vision and off the ball intelligence in comparison to williams. That’ll come to Williams in time, and learning from someone like McDonlad will only help.

          • kernel_thai

            Someone over at BS went back to HS records and pulled up times. As I recall Williams won out. I think the difference between fast and uber fast is over rated. Either will be faster than most of the defenders they come across. Morgan is particularly good at using her body to leverage a defender. I would pick Williams as the better athlete tho. Better in the air, able to muscle her way into good positions, very quick to loose balls.

          • Ethan

            Better in the air? Didn’t an article on this site say Williams’ tying goal against the Spirit was surprising partially because she hardly, if ever, scores with her head? That makes me think other aspects of her aerial game might not be as great. Then again, I didn’t really watch the Flash last year, and I haven’t watched the Courage so far this season. So I’ll take your word for it. (I do remember her forcing the Swiss keeper into one of the best saves I’ve seen in the women’s game.)

          • kernel_thai

            I thought a lot of the Flash players made strides last year heading the ball. Mewis has improved a lot as well. But yeah, all things being equal if I had to depend on someone scoring a goal with her head Id favor williams over Morgan. In any other aspect of the game Id pick Morgan.

          • Steglitz49

            Alex’s most famous goal is a header.

          • DNG

            Lloyd has shown over the last year or so that against top teams she cannon impact the game significantly. I think both this question and the one you just posed apply to Morgan. Looking forward I don’t think her style is going to be such a hinderance to the US looking for results in the short term. Probably a different situation in the long term.

          • Steglitz49

            Alex’s style is not on the way out. It is just that only a few can play effectively at that level.

        • Reality

          I don’t necessarily think that #4 was foremost in their minds in deciding to go to Europe. As regards the possibility of either of them gaining significant skills that will transform their game…I consider that to be unlikely.

          • #1Fan

            its interesting that negative talk is speculation and assuming they will get better is not

          • Reality

            Most everything here at EQ is speculation and opinion.

        • Breakers fan

          In my opinion it is monumentally cynical to think that Morgan wasn’t being sincere when she said that part of the reason she chose to go to Lyon was to work on the “small ball” aspects of her game. Her twitter posts reveal her to be a true soccer/football fan – watches the men’s game devotedly – and I would bet close to my life that she really did/does want to work on rounding out her game and that that was a decent percentage of why she chose to go to Lyon. The money she made there is pretty small peanuts relative to her total income, I think, so yes that was a real factor, and I would put it a good deal higher than reason #4.

          • #1Fan

            i think its a perfectly valid question. Its also fair to ask why now? I dont believe, from what i read, the money is small peanuts at all.

            i guess i see soccer players very different to you. Changing the way you play at the stage of her career she is at is not a few month type thing. its a massive undertaking. doing it , whilst attempting to stay at the top of the sport is even harder.

            There is a natural instinct to the type of runs you make and how you make them. Morgan already spent time on the ball training and working out hard. The desire and effor has always been there

            But to change in a material way now will be almost impossible.

          • Breakers fan

            It is a question, fine to call it valid, and there is an answer. Of course we can speculate here until we’re blue in the face and get no nearer to knowing the answer. I’ve given my opinion. I’m confident it’s accurate. Could I be wrong ? Yes. Could I be right? Yes.

            Why now? These things develop, progress organically.

            To me the more important questions are:

            How different were Lyon training sessions from all others she’s been involved with before? If so, in what ways?

            What did she think of the instruction compared to what she received before? Was it as good as she was hoping it would be? Or was she kind of let down by it, were her expectations for it too high?

            She’s 27. Either you try to improve your game, in the areas you feel like you should work on, or you don’t. Are you advocating the latter approach?

            Lastly, I doubt she plans on changing her game in a fundamental way. I hope she doesn’t for I don’t think it would be smart to. You’ve said the same – play to your strengths. Doesn’t mean you can’t simply improve – a very broad area — in other parts of your game. That’s all she is trying to do. It is an ongoing process that can continue once she crosses the French border.

          • #1Fan

            Its about her ability to absorb whatever she is trying to and implement it.

            I wont try and comb thru these threads to find where anyone advocated the latter, becasue im sure they didn’t., but there is a huge distinction between want to and can.

            Morgan could have done this at any tiem. I guess she did not see the need or teh $$ were compelling. Who knows.

            Improvement is relative as pertains to the NT. the issue has to be am I improving at a faster rate than my competition or in areas that make me more valuable to the NT than my competition.

            Time will tell.

          • Breakers fan

            There is also a distinction between “trying to” and “not trying to”. She, from all appearances is choosing the former.

            No doubt the money was a factor too. I’m not trying to say it wasn’t.

            I would like to hear the answers to my questions from Morgan, the only person who can answer them. That would be interesting, Much more so than my opinion of a few touches she’ll get in her first game at Orlando. I don’t think any of us expect to see a completely different player, nor, as I said, should we want to. She was always in my mind a decent passer anyway. This is one player going to one team for a few months. It really isn’t that big of a deal and I trust you agree with that.

          • Breakers fan

            How much did she make there and what is her annual income? We get those numbers we can decide the relationship between the 2. I didn’t say it was the whole reason but I do believe it was a decent % of it.

          • DNG

            I’ve read that Morgan’s contract is €150,000 over 6 months.

          • Breakers fan

            Can you provide the currency exchange rate for that since I normally think in dollars?

          • DNG

            $163477.50

            Not a huge difference according to google. Euro and dollar values are similar now

          • Breakers fan

            Thank you. We do not know if that is the figure or have you seen that number from multiple sources? If you have a link I’d appreciate seeing it. I thought I saw $90,000. Again, I’m not saying money wasn’t a factor.

          • DNG

            We are pretty reliant on local journalists for these figures since most teams don’t like to officially publicize team wages. Not surprised our numbers differ. I don’t really think money was as big a factor as getting to play with Lyon but I’m sure it helped convince her. I don’t think she takes that money to play anywhere.

          • Steglitz49

            I have seen the figure of 25,000€ per month in many and various places. It seems pretty reliable.

          • Reality

            Assuming 4 games per month in which she played the full 90″ in each game, it works out to $4541.04 per hour in game time which is a living wage. If you add training time, it correspondingly is less. Not too shabby, but compared to top flight men…eh.

          • DNG

            She’s right at the top for women though.

          • Reality

            Where it gets tricky is evaluating value given for results obtained.

          • Steglitz49

            Not really. Zlatan just declined $16m or so from Man Utd because he considered that he did not deserve it. By their fruit ye shall know them.

          • Breakers fan

            You have to base it on total time in France, I think. She left her home and husband and club team to go to a place where she doesn’t speak the language. She’s getting well-paid, no doubt.

          • Reality

            You mean that it should be calculated based on 4320 hours she will spend in France over 6 months? That works out to $37.84 per hour…a comparatively paltry wage. 🙂

            Morgan chose to make sacrifices toward achieving certain goals. I don’t think that Lyon regards those factors you mention as part of their compensation calculation. They have their own metrics for value.

          • Steglitz49

            Lyon is not even among the 20 richest men’s clubs, yet they have spent a queen’s ransom to get Morgan for part of the year.

            As for the language, Alex can learnt French. After all, Marta learnt the language of honor and heroes.

          • kernel_thai

            Marta speaks Greek….wow.

          • Steglitz49

            a euphemism for Swedish. Don’t know the origin.

          • Steglitz49

            What has this to do with anything?

          • Steglitz49

            Me too.

          • Breakers fan

            “the way I see soccer players” — money-grubbers who have to deal with the annoyance of lacing up the cleats all too frequently?

          • #1Fan

            no idea what you mean so ill leave that .

          • Breakers fan

            I said part of the reason she went to Lyon was as she said – to work on her game. You responded “I guess I see soccer players very different to you” – implying that working on her game was NOT part of why she went there. If it wasn’t, that leaves “making money”, thus my comment.

          • DNG

            I think working on her game is a big reason she went there actually. I’m sure the money helps but Morgan frequently denied any potential link to Lyon pretty much up until the move happened. I think it had to do with less game time and possibly even conversations with the coaching staff around the time of the friendlies last fall.

          • #1Fan

            i know thats the case. I know the coaching staff have told her where she stands. I also know she will work on her game. My question is will she succeed in changing it .

          • Steglitz49

            Time will tell. June 1st here we come.

          • Bill

            I wonder if her vision will improve or her anticipation of passes or defensive angles or practices?

            There are athletes who are in their careers and learn pitches or learn arm angles or re learn thousands of hours of swing grooves in baseball or golf.

            Dont know. I dont expect much. But anyone who takes feedback from coaches and tries to do something about it and risks “looking weak or lost” by trying something new while under the eyes of many a critic…pretty brave. So imho, Bravo Ms Morgan.

            Also, I would agree that as a percent of total income up against the stress/ cost of moving and traveling I dont think much of the decision was about money.

            I do think she had much less of a chance of learning by playing with orlando ( as it was then constituted) or the NT ( who wants things from players while its coach and team cannot practice what it preaches). Thats the real annoying thing about the way Morgan or Dunn may have been treated…:” you all go learn elsewhere while we give your minutes to inferior players and do nothing about Lloyd”

          • Steglitz49

            Alex’s defensive play against Wolfsburg was excellent in both games.

            As for Crystal and Alex, Crystal was screwed over a WC winners medal for to make benefit for some Veteran or other. Alex played in WC-15.

          • #1Fan

            not at all . I explained where I see the difference . you think she is going to change. I dont. I think her game is no longer evolving.

            I even said

            Morgan already spent time on the ball training and working out hard.

            Not something a lazy person would do.

            I think that you can go and earn a good wage and NOT be

            a money-grubbers who have to deal with the annoyance of lacing up the cleats all too frequently?

            tbh, the rampant speculation is coming from you now as to what others mean. Uncharacteristic really. Maybe you are having a bad day.

          • DNG

            Ball work is something that will take years upon years for her to get anywhere close to the top of the sport. I don’t see that aspect of her game changing at all. The timing of her runs, the angles she takes, and making runs for reasons other than to get in behind all the time and varying her runs in general are things I think she could pick up in a couple of years. Not 6 months though.

          • Breakers fan

            Agreed – true for any and all. it’s funny though – You’d think we’re talking about a scrub here, some single A minor league baseball player, not the most successful American forward of the last 6 years. Just saying. I have to go to work now. And will have no time for about a week, but nice chatting with you all.

          • #1Fan

            Interesting thing to me is that the range of skills needed for success were not very big.

            Jamie Vardy is not considered a top Striker even though his team won the PL.

          • DNG

            Nice chatting with you as well. Always value your input even if we frequently disagree.

          • AlexH

            I don’t see why a player can’t significantly improve their game at an older age. In baseball Ozzie Smith went from a 240 hitter in his 20s to a 280 hitter in his 30s. Lothar Matteus went from Midfielder to sweeper for the German MNT late in his career. Ronaldo has developed a tremendous aerial game late in his career. Dr. J ended his career as a shooting guard. Hell babe ruth went from pitcher to home run king. I don’t think what Alex is trying to do is that radical, and she is already good enough that even small improvements to her game can pay huge dividends.

          • #1Fan

            The Ronaldo example is poor. Was always good in the air. In fact as he lost his blistering speed of youth he moved more central and became more of a goal scorer.

            You say good enough but good enough for what ?

          • DNG

            I think she can improve and I said as much in the comment you responded to. How much and how it impacts her production if/when she does is what we are debating. And like I said previously, I think it will take more than six months in Lyon to make the kind of changes I think she needs.

          • Steglitz49

            Maybe Alex will go back to Lyon for second helpings.

          • Breakers fan

            Sometimes it’s hard to know why you say something because you don’t say what comment of mine you’re referencing – so I put your comment into the context of the gist of my comment and responded. You seemed to be directly refuting my position that part of why she went there was due to an honest desire to get better. Apologies if I misinterpreted you – that’s honestly what I thought you meant based on your comment “I see soccer players very differently from you.”

            I never said she’d “change”. As if some completely different player might emerge. I said she’s working on some aspects of her game and we’ll see if we notice any difference. I did say that I don’t think she should try to change completely as that would be negating her strengths, what made her successful.

          • HOFCToDi

            The “Press Gang Troll Brigade” are oh so jealous.

            Christen Press
            2016 CONCACAF Women’s Olympic Qualifying
            Knockout Stage
            Goals 0, Assists 0

            Christen Press
            2016 SheBelieves Cup
            Goals 0, Assists 0

            Christen Press
            2016 Rio Olympics
            Goals 0, Assists 0

            Christen Press
            2017 SheBelieves Cup
            Goals 0, Assists 0

            deflect, ignore, obfuscate

          • Ethan

            The money definitely isn’t “small peanuts” for the majority of people, but it is “pretty small peanuts” compared to what Morgan makes in endorsements/sponsorships.

          • Steglitz49

            Alex earns 150,000€ for her stint in Lyon. That is about $165,000 at current exchange rates. Even if her annual off-field income was $1m it still is 16% of that. 16% is NOT small peanuts.

          • Steglitz49

            The money Alex makes from Lyon is jolly good and not just “pretty small peanuts relative to her total income”.

      • kernel_thai

        Interesting to hear them explain why they went. Morgan said she wanted to improve her game by playing the European style. Lloyd said she was looking to help grow the game in Europe.

        • Reality

          Sounds like Morgan said the right thing. And a typically modest statement by Lloyd. 🙂

    • DNG

      I would say that more causal readers probably prefer the storylines to match analysis. Personally I don’t really need the writers at EQ to give second hand(or first hand if I see the match myself) analysis of these matches. If they can find a reporter in Europe willing to write for them I’d probably be more interested.

      • Reality

        The author of this article, Kieran Theivam, is a reporter in Europe who is now contributing to EQ.

        https://twitter.com/KiersTheivam/with_replies?lang=en

        • DNG

          He can’t make it to every match though. I believe he has reported on the ones he made it to. Main point though is that I’m not so sure that a majority of readers do actually want to read a detailed match analysis.

          • Reality

            The fanboy/fangirl segment will undoubtedly be more interested in hearing about the exploits of their heroines.

          • #1Fan

            yeas. thats my question. You seem to have answered it. Im not one for the soap oera reporting. I want to read about Morgan and Lloyd when/if they are meaningful parts of the game story. To cover them any other way demeans the sport imo.

          • Ethan

            There was one short paragraph in this article about Lloyd and Morgan’s play in the match. The rest of the article that had to do with them talks about the previous and upcoming Cup matches and the second leg. The title “Americans Abroad” helps to give the indication that the article isn’t focused on the first leg of the Lyon-Manchester City semifinal.

      • #1Fan

        i like to see how others saw the game.

        • DNG

          I do too but I realize that there isn’t a huge amount of woso reporters living close to these teams and working with EQ. For the NWSL matches here there are lots of commenters with different views I like to read.

          We’ll probably get some match analysis following the CL match this weekend since I think Theivam said he was attending the match.

          • Steglitz49

            The matches are likely to be boring since the teams in the lead has 3 away goals.

    • kernel_thai

      There is a purpose to this type of article. While UWCL happenings r pretty common knowledge it is always interesting to see how Americans r faring in less publicized leagues. As to ur point about soccer for soccer sake, I agree. The next big step in US Woso would be to have to big European clubs play in the states and actually draw a large crowd of people just looking for a quality soccer match.

      • Steglitz49

        Hard to see that happening. The SB Cup is the nearest you will get, I contend.

      • Terry Lash

        Excellent idea. Follow the lead of the men’s clubs from Europe.

        • Steglitz49

          The European men’s clubs earn big money and build their brand playing exhibition games in the US. They fill stadia like Michigan, Sounders and Giants, charging $100 per ticket if not a lot more.

          Unless these WoSo club games were played in Portland, few if any would bother to show up. Even the SB Cup does not attract that many viewers.

          Lyon, Arsenal and Chelsea sent their ladies to that Intercontinental World Club Championship in Japan but that was a championship. The NWSL could not be bothered to send a team.

    • Alex

      Not a lot to analyse now.. Man City are basically out already. Would be a huge upset for them to come back from 3-1 down, away from home, against the best club in Europe. Their best bet was to try to sit back and keep a clean sheet in the first game and go from there, but that went down the drain after 2 minutes when they conceded the penalty.

      • #1Fan

        i mean in general. Do you want articles analyzing the game, or are these personality pieces adequate.

        • Alex

          Well I’d definitely prefer the former, but no reason we couldn’t have both if it’s going to drive a little more interest.

        • Breakers fan

          Best solution of course – and I say this to myself as much as to you – is to simply watch the game and form your own opinion and analysis of it. I honestly don’t really care what a journalist thinks about it, though I may give it a read.

  • Steglitz49

    “Levin’s sister Cami plays for the Houston Dash” but she also played for Göteborg in the 2012 and 2013 seasons.

  • Steglitz49

    Good old Avaldsnes keeping up the good work.

  • Steglitz49

    Alex plays in an Adidas kit for Lyon. How much is that worth?

  • jc

    All I’ve got to say to that anyone who believes Alex Morgan shouldn’t be starting with the national team should really watch her Champions league games against Wolfsburg. Wolfsburg which is probably the second best team in the world. She was absolutely world class for 90 minutes in both games, despite not scoring. Definitely not slowing down at all.

    • Steglitz49

      Hear hear. Alex’s defending was particularly strong and a big contribution to the result, not just her passing and runs.

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    • DNG

      I can name at least 3 US wings who could have done at least what Morgan did in the CL matches against Wolfsburg if not played better all around. Why are people using this as some ironclad evidence that she was unbelievable. She was solid and nothing more.

      • Steglitz49

        The name them, please.

        #1 is?; #2 is ?; and #3 is ?

        • DNG

          Dunn, Heath, Pugh, Ohai, O’hara in no particular order. All better wings.

          • Steglitz49

            Dunn plays for Chelsea Ladies. You could argue that Crystal is a wingback and should be able to defend.

            Heath and Pugh are not better than Alex was against Wolfsburg.

            Ohai is essentially an attacking player.

            I give you Crystal because she plays for Chelsea.

          • DNG

            As wings they certainly, are all 5 of them.

          • Steglitz49

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            Tobin played for PSG and learnt to take free kicks but after that Championship Aya Miyama/Robert Carlos flash, we have not seen too many from her but that may be because someone else is asked to take them or takes them from Tobin.

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