Monday Roundup: Sampson announces Lioness squad for EURO 2017

The Equalizer Staff April 3, 2017 106

Also in today’s roundup, Reign sign defender Kristen McNabb, Scottish FA name Shelley Kerr to head coaching position, and USWNT fall to FC Dallas Academy U-15s in scrimmage

Lioness squad for EURO 2017 was announced three months prior to the start of the tournament (photo copyright EriMac Photo for The Equalizer)

Lioness squad for EURO 2017 was announced three months prior to the start of the tournament (photo copyright EriMac Photo for The Equalizer)

Today, head coach Mark Sampson named his 23-player roster for England ahead of the upcoming EURO 2017 championships this summer. England will kick off their EURO campaign on July 19 against Scotland. They will continue Group D play against Spain on July 23 and Portugal on July 27.

Nineteen of the spots feature players who were part of England’s historic bronze medal run at the 2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup in Canada. The remaining four, midfielders Millie Bright and Isobel Chriatiansen, forward Nikita Parris and defender Demi Stokes, will compete in their first major senior tournament as part of the Lionesses squad.

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Midfielder Fara Williams will be competing in her fourth EURO championship for England. She’s also the most capped player on the squad with 160 appearances. Alex Scott, Casey Stoney and Karen Carney all also have 100+ caps for their country.

This is the first federation competing in this summer’s EURO championships that has announced their roster, and the announcement comes more than three months before the tournament. Sampson believes that having a set roster this far in advance will only help the team grow and focus as they prepare for the tournament. “Having the next three months allows us to work together as a 23 and make sure that every day counts. The plans we have are really solid. We have a strong togetherness in this group and that will only grow as we get closer to the tournament,” he said in the FA’s official release.

The Lionesses play their remaining two home games in preparation for the EUROs over the next week against Italy on Friday and later facing Austria on Monday April 10. Karen Bardsley, Jo Potter and Alex Scott, all part of the EURO roster, will miss this week’s friendlies and in their place, Birmingham City’s Jess Carter and Manchester City’s Mel Lawly have been added. Both players are receiving their first senior team call-ups.

Rachel Daly, embarking on her second season with the Houston Dash, was not named to the team.

See below for the full EURO 2017 England roster.

Goalkeepers (3): Karen Bardsley (Manchester City), Siobhan Chamberlain (Liverpool), Carly Telford (Notts County)
Defenders (8): Laura Bassett (Notts County), Lucy Bronze (Manchester City), Alex Greenwood (Liverpool), Steph Houghton (Manchester City), Jo Potter (Notts County), Alex Scott (Arsenal), Demi Stokes (Manchester City), Casey Stoney (Liverpool)
Midfielders (6): Millie Bright (Chelsea), Isobel Christiansen (Manchester City), Jade Moore (Notts County), Jordan Nobbs (Arsenal), Jill Scott (Manchester City), Fara Williams (Arsenal)
Forwards (6): Karen Carney (Chelsea), Toni Duggan (Manchester City), Fran Kirby (Chelsea), Nikita Parris (Manchester City), Jodie Taylor (Arsenal), Ellen White (Birmingham City)

Seattle Reign sign defender Kristen McNabb

Reign sign Kristen McNabb less than two weeks ahead of the start of the NWSL season.

Reign sign Kristen McNabb less than two weeks ahead of the start of the NWSL season.

The Seattle Reign announced today the signing of defender Kristen McNabb who they selected with the No. 37 overall pick in the 2017 NWSL College Draft this past January.

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The New Jersey native appeared 89 times for the University of Virginia over four years, making 71 starts. She posted 13 goals and added three assists. McNabb also helped the Cavaliers secure a spot in the NCAA tournament in each season she played there, including an appearance in the National Championship game in 2014.

“I’m so excited to sign my first professional contract with the Reign,” she said in Seattle’s official release of the signing. “It’s truly a dream come true and I’m really looking forward to learning as much as I can from Laura, the coaching staff and all of the players.”

McNabb has also spent time with the U.S. national teams at the youth level.

Shelley Kerr named head coach of the Scotland Women’s National Team

The Scottish FA announced that Shelley Kerr will become the new head coach of the Scotland Women’s national team this summer. She will be succeeding Anna Signeul who will step down after EURO 2017 this summer concluding a 12-year tenure at the helm of the team.

Kerr brings a wealth of experience to the position. She led the Scotland U-19 team to the UEFA Women’s U-19 Championship finals in 2010. From 2013 until 2014, she managed Arsenal Ladies and secured two consecutive FA Cups. She was also the first female manager in British men’s senior football as the head coach of Stirling University in 2014. Over a 20-year playing career, Kerr made 59 caps for Scotland and captained the squad on multiple occasions.

Her first order of business will be the 2019 FIFA World Cup qualifiers which start only four weeks after the end of the EURO championships this summer. The qualifying draw will take place on April 25.

USWNT falls to FC Dallas U-15 academy in scrimmage

Jill Ellis listens to a question during her postgame conference at Red Bull Arena after the USWNT lost 1-0 to England. (MEG LINEHAN/Equalizer Soccer)

Jill Ellis and her team prepare for a pair of friendlies against Russia later this week (MEG LINEHAN/Equalizer Soccer)

The USWNT took on the FC Dallas U-15 academy team at SMU on Sunday night where they fell by a score of 5-2. Last year in preparation for Olympic qualifying, the USWNT found friendly competition in the FC Dallas Academy, too. Two players from the squad were invited to train with the USWNT on Saturday as they continue to prepare for a set of friendlies against Russia. The first match is set for Thursday in Frisco followed by a Sunday match in Houston.

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  • dw

    nothing about the CBA talks over the weekend. I don’t know why I’m surprised.

  • Ron Rocha

    posted on NWSL VAVLE, in item titled “Washington Spirit 2017 broadcast schedule…” is this final line… “Although only three matches will be televised, all other games will still be streamed on the NWSL YouTube channel weekly.” I dunno???

    https://www.vavel.com/en-us/soccer/nwsl/772786-washington-spirit-2017-broadcast-schedule.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

    • DNG

      It appears to be true. Here’s a broadcast schedule form the NWSL website

      http://nwslsoccer.com/nwsl-announces-2017-broadcast-schedule-on-lifetime

      • They already said youtube would not be a platform, so I am confused… I suspect it’ll be more of an ESPN3 type setup. If they ever decide to announce it, even though we’re only 10 days out..

        • DNG

          My mistake I think you’re both right. I thought he/she was talking about the three matches which I though originally was suppose to be more.

          As far as youtube goes, it doesn’t sound like they will use it from what they’ve said but they’re starting to run out of time for their own streaming platform now. Maybe they could use Youtube but require people to go to the NWSL website to actually watch.

          • Bruce

            The hires that they’ve made (more specifically their job descriptions) indicate that their plan is not to use YouTube, but build a proprietary platform.

        • Bruce

          Feeling that it will be ESPN3-like (tied to cable provider) or FoxSoccer2Go-like (monthly subscription fee).

          The second that YouTube was ruled out, the chances of access being free dropped significantly.

          Remember, A+E currently doesn’t have an in-house platform that can stream *live* events. Their existing apps and infrastructure simply don’t support that.

    • Bruce

      Not trusting Vavel unless they cite an official source.

      Nothing leads me to believe that the author (a student-writer) would have greater access to insider information than the members of the NWSL Media Association (like Dan).

  • A_Dog_Without_A_Clutch

    The first stage of AFC WWC qualification began yesterdayish:
    http://www.fifa.com/womens-football/news/y=2017/m=4/news=the-road-to-france-starts-here-2878437.html?intcmp=fifacom_hp_module_news
    Here are the first game results:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_AFC_Women%27s_Asian_Cup_qualification#Groups

    In Spain, Atletico de Madrid maintain lead atop with a solid win over Oiartzun KE:
    http://canada2015mykits.tumblr.com/post/159119055745/primera-division-feminina-oiartzun-ke

    Valencia CF keeping their UWCL hopes alive, but d— that Jenni Hermoso of FC Barcelona:
    http://canada2015mykits.tumblr.com/post/159119058670/primera-division-femenina-valencia-cf-vs-santa
    http://canada2015mykits.tumblr.com/post/159125676030/primera-division-femenina-ud-tacuense-vs-fc

    Although there was nothing at stake, Athletic Club Bilbao had exciting game against MexWNT Charlyn Corral’s Levante UD:
    https://youtu.be/un2EbThwIDc

    In Netherlands, there playoff team dosey-doh as #3 PSV beats #2 FC Twente and #1 AFC Ajax beat # ADO Den Haag:
    http://canada2015mykits.tumblr.com/post/159119049510/eredivisie-vrouwen-afc-ajax-vs-ado-den-haag

    In Japan, a spirited contest with a dramatic ending ocurred in the early season meeting between Elfen Saitama and INAC Kobe Leonessa:
    http://canada2015mykits.tumblr.com/post/159148534330/nadeshiko-league-elfen-saitama-vs-inac-kobe

    In France, PSG blew a 3-0 lead and allowed Montpellier HSC to overtake them for the last UWCL spot:
    http://canada2015mykits.tumblr.com/post/159160041955/division-1-feminine-paris-saint-germain-vs-ea
    http://canada2015mykits.tumblr.com/post/159160143730/division-1-feminine-montpellier-hsc-vs-olympique

    Finally, in Germany, Turbine has tied for the second week in a row allowing Bayern Munich to inch closer to the final UWCL spot ;and, most importantly, allowing Wolfsburg to takeover top spot of the Frauen-Bundesliga through “Goals Scored”:
    http://canada2015mykits.tumblr.com/post/159160563855/frauen-bundesliga-sgs-essen-vs-1-ffc-turbine
    http://canada2015mykits.tumblr.com/post/159160776895/frauen-bundesliga-vfl-wolfsburg-vs-tsg-1899
    http://canada2015mykits.tumblr.com/post/159118934070/frauen-bundesliga-fc-bayern-munich-vs-sc-sand
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8fbKDBXUAAavsR.jpg

    • Steglitz49

      Bayern München is misspelt. Only one N at the end, not two.

      6 games left to play. I hope that Potsdam makes it to the Champions League.

  • Reality
  • Gary Diver

    Well . . .

    I know the national men’s U17 team should be able to easily beat USWNT, but losing to an academy U15 team 2-5 is a bit much.

    Back in 2012, the US men’s U17 soccer team played and beat the USWNT 8-2 three months before they won the Gold at the Olympics.

    • rkmid71

      Checking out the boys roster from the FC Dallas website (assuming it was more or less the same), one of the boys on that U15 team was 5’1″ 95lbs! Hayes, who scored a couple goals, is like 5’5″ 112 lbs. I would bet the USWNT is physically (in terms of height, weight) much bigger. Athletically, a different story. They were probably running circles around them.

      • HOFCToDi

        Under the direction of April Heinrichs and Jill Ellis, the women’s program is in complete shambles.

        • Steglitz49

          It could simply be that the ROW is getting even better.

          With the money and resources that The FA is pumping into the girls and young ladies game in England, the Lionesses could become the new WoSo superpower — at least in the Englishspeaking world.

          In short, if <10m turnips can upset the USWNT juggernaut, anyone could do it. Heck, the Norwegians are only 5m, that is about the pop of Oregon, ever one Portland, WoSo without end.

          • rkmid71

            It’s more likely the USWNT is playing with a handicap, an anchor around their neck (i.e. JE, CBA allocation system). Of course, that’s just what the USWNTPA wanted when Sermanni was fired and they negotiated their CBA. That particular group of players wanted their perks, the entitlement They got what they wanted. The current USWNTPA members must now know it came at a cost. I suspect they are holding out on the new CBA seeking to continue the seriously flawed allocation system and anti-competitive clauses — assuming USSF actually is seeking to improve things. It’s no wonder ROW is getting better relative to the USWNT. We have a lousy coach and that coach is CBA constrained in bringing in the best, most in form and fit players. Assuming she actually knew who the best players actually were and could assemble a coherent team — which she doesn’t. And assuming she doesn’t select out of form, unfit players — which she demonstrated she does.

            And Gulati appears to be content to wait to take action until a more significant crisis is reached. Look how long it took on JK and how many failures had to accumulate — in part because of that ridiculous contract he had. It was only when the USMNT was last in WC qualifying and the situation was desperate and real money was at stake — and JK’s contract didn’t have as much time left. Since the 2015WC win, the USWNTPA lawsuits and public campaign of mistruths, OG2016 embarrassment, SBC2017, loss of #1 ranking, YNT WC multiple disasters, etc. don’t qualify. It’s hard to think of a success this current regime could spin in their favor (since-2015) – perhaps that’s why all the youth players are getting into NT camps. They actually need to create something that demonstrates progress. Trust in JE’s process and give her until 2020 — despite the last two years. And Gulati gave her a new lucrative contract anyway and handcuffed himself.

            ROW could be getting better too, but what’s so strange about that? Especially as more resources are allocated. US has long been devoting more resources. ROW still doesn’t come close. For the last 2 years, USSF has been getting a very poor return on investment (in terms of performance of the whole women’s program and probably financially too).

          • Steglitz49

            Gulati’s priority is to fix the USMNT because there is where the real money is, as witness the EC, Copa Americana and rumors about Zlatan playing for Galaxy for at least $9m per year.

            As for the USWNT and WoSo, the women have to sort themselves out. If they can’t hack it, that is their headache. NCAA soccer will continue and that will serve the ranks of U17, U20 and even U23 maybe even the senior NT.

          • rkmid71

            I don’t think leaving it to the women is an option. The USWNTPA made it Gulati’s headache with the various lawsuits, bashing in the press, strike threats, the OG embarrassment, inability to reach a new CBA agreement, etc. Gulati himself was evidently recently on hand for the negotiation….presumably because whoever he delegated to wasn’t making any progress.

          • Steglitz49

            There is so much more money in the men’s game than in WoSo, so Gulati’s ONLY priority now is to sort out the USMNT.

            The USWNT won a lot under Gulati’s stewardship, not least WC-15. He does not need to do a fig more for WoSo.

            Gulati may also take into account the financial firepower of the big soccer nations with which the US WoSo can’t compete, MLS expansion or not.

    • HOFCToDi

      Five goals allowed, huh?

      JE’s freshly minted pet Allie Long must have displayed her defensive incompetence, yet again.

      • Terry Lash

        JE displayed her incompetence once again. Too bad Gulati does not care.

        • HOFCToDi

          It’s all about the head coach:

          Luiz Felipe Scolari resigned (in disgrace by the way)
          Carlos Caetano Bledorn Verri (Dunga) sacked
          Adenor Leonardo Bacchi (Tite)

          I wonder why the Brazil men’s national football team has qualified for the 2018 FIFA World Cup?

          • Steglitz49

            They did not do too well in 2014 on home soil. 2010 was a washout too and even 2006 was not much to write home about.

        • HOFCToDi

          Next stop:

          Tomato can status

          #FireJillEllis

          • Steglitz49

            That will take a few years more given how the FIFA WoSo rankings are calculated.

            Winning WC-19 is the only thing that matters now. FIFA will treat the US with kid gloves because it is such a big market. No worries, mate.

        • HOFCToDi

          Sunil Gulati on his way to four more years.

          CONCACAF president Montagliani: Joint Copa America talks ‘beyond preliminary’

          sbisoccer.com/2017/03/concacaf-president-montagliani-joint-copa-america-talks-beyond-preliminary

          CONCACAF president Victor Montagliani says talks for another joint Copa America are “beyond preliminary” with the earliest potential joint tournament coming in 2020. According to ESPN, U.S. Soccer is open to hosting again after making $46 million in profit from hosting the tournament.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZK_so3V8YI

          Cha-Ching!

          • Steglitz49

            How much profit has the USSF made from their two SBCs?

      • guest

        You know that the USWNT has regularly lost to youth boys’ teams by even larger margins in the past, correct? I’m surprised they managed a couple of goals.

    • HOFCToDi

      When the US Soccer program hit rock bottom:

      The SBI Show: Episode 235 (Recapping the CONCACAF Cup, and more)

      sbisoccer.com/2015/10/episode-recapping-concacaf

    • kernel_thai

      What Id really like to know is what defense the US threw out against the U15s

    • guest

      That’s actually not unusual at all. FC Dallas is a strong club and high school aged boys are more than capable of matching up with grown women. Especially if Allie Long was playing CB

    • AlexH

      A high level U-15 team boys team should be able to demolish the WNT so 5-2 loss reflects well on the gals. At 15 there are boys that have all the physical tools to play division 1 soccer whereas none of the women on the WNT do. Our women are fantastic athletes but it really does them a disservice to compare them to men.

    • Didn’t an NWSL team just beat a U-15 boys team in pre-season? Shouldn’t the USWNT then be able to do the same?

  • Tom F

    anybody noticed a lot of big names missing from Sampson’s England NT?; he don’t seem to care the NWSL since Daly,Dowie Galton & Sanderson didn’t make it. Don’t are about Chelsea anymore since Aluko, Davison, Chapman & Rafferty didn’t make it. As well as some of the new stars like Mead, Stanway & Williamson didn’t either, Most surprising is that Lawley & Walsh didn’t make it either since both start at Man City over the likes of Duggan & Christiansan, who made the NT,

    • kernel_thai

      If someone like Mead, Danielle Carter or Daly has a big Spring Sampson will find himself in an awful; spot.

      • Steglitz49

        Carter and Mead, yes; Daly, not convinced.

      • Tom F

        meet the other side of an rainbow; you know how we talk about the US keeping players sometimes way past their prime, but here, Sampson has discarded players like it’s yesterday’s news. But in all fairness he did use a lot of these players in his Euro qualifiers campaign.
        Daly played her last NT games as an right FB, but Bronze has that spot all ready locked up, but makes you wonder if FB would be a good choice for her at the Dash(since Poliana got injured.
        Danielle Carter was the MVP of last year’s FA Cup finale/ Davison was MVP of the English league in 2015. Just based on watching, Dowie had a good year in Australia, the 3rd leading scorer in the W-League. Melissa Lawley(a transfer from Birmingham City) has been getting great raves over at Man City in their last 3 games, where she comes down the wing. thus they’ve benched the more heralded Duggan.
        Got the feeling like most woso coaches, that Sampson got self indulgent a bit with his choices. But then again he got s win over the most self indulgent coach of them all, Jill Ellis!

        • Steglitz49

          Why is he declaring so early?

          • Alex

            It’s a strange choice. I think he wants to show faith in his players, but i guess he’s indirectly showing everyone else he doesn’t think that highly of them. Might be a problem if some of the squad are injured over the next few months.

      • Alex

        None would have a chance at taking Taylor’s position as the main striker, they just aren’t on the same level imo.

    • Alex

      I don’t think any of these are really surprises, only 3 of the have played for England in the last 6 months.

      Daly – Probably unfortunate to have been the 24th pick in a 23 player squad. Has played a lot lately but one of the forwards was always going to be dropped if Kirby made it back in time. Guess it probably came down to her Vs Duggan in the end.

      Dowie – Not played in 2 years for England, Sampson obviously doesn’t rate her. I think she’s great but I guess she doesn’t have the size to play as a target forward at the top level, and doesn’t have the speed to play as anything else.

      Galton – Never capped, was called up last summer but pulled out with injury, only to play for Sky Blue not long after. Sampson probably wasn’t impressed by that.

      Sanderson – Last called up in late 2015. Hasn’t played much at club level since, due to lacking fitness and being injured. Would have been criminal if she’d made the squad.

      Aluko – Dropped around a year ago. Has done well at club level but she’s done very little for England considering how long she’s been about the squad. Probably the right choice to give the newer younger players the chance ahead of her.

      Davison – Looked certain to go a year ago, like she had finally made her England breakthrough. I guess she didn’t impress enough though, doubt she’ll ever go to a major tournament now.

      Chapman – Been out the squad for over a year, and given her age is likely done for England now. It’s been obvious since day one that Sampson preferred Moore in the holding mid role, and with Bright now a regular there is no way back for her it seems.

      Rafferty – Has had some time in the squad lately, but mostly only when Greenwood has been injured. Seems to have dropped to 3rd in the left back order. Not surprised that Greenwood took her place back on returning to fitness.

      Mead, Stanway, Williamson, Walsh, Lawley – None have played for England before. They are all good young players but not yet ready, sure some of the will be at the next euros in 4 years time though. Also Walsh doesn’t really play ahead of Christiansen, who is a very different player, Lloyd plays in the role Christiansen had last season.

      Overall the only one who had a good shot at making it and wasn’t relying on another player being injured was Daly, so it’s one of the least surprising squads ever imo.

      • Tom F

        thanks for the detailed summary. you forgot Carter, but Sampson has his favorites. Just surprised that he’s got 8 Man City players in there, yet from the last 3 games on facebook, non pick Lawley plus foreigners Loyd & Ross play a faster pace game than his choices. So not sure if he’s got the speed in his lineup to deal with especially France. Ho also lost a friendly vs Norway a few months back. so just surprised that he don’t want to make changes to a bit quicker players like non picks Daly, Galton & Lawley

        • Alex

          Carter had a few call ups over the last couple of years but never seemed to stick in the squad, so I didn’t think she’d make it either, another one to watch for in the future though.

          I’m not too worried about the attack or midfield, main concern for me is that he still hasn’t been able to replace Bassett or Stoney, both are old and past their best, hopefully they’ll do for the Euro’s but surely Sampson has to find someone else after that.

      • guest

        Appears Sampson only selected players from FA WSL clubs for this England WNT for the EURO’s. With the shorten spring only FA WSL season all these players are more readily available for extended pre EURO preparation camp so perhaps playing in NWSL (and potential conflict with NWSL teams for players outside FIFA window) worked against Daly (& Galton). As you note, Daly may well have been 24th.

  • Steglitz49

    It is said that Zlatan will leave Man Utd and move to LA Galaxy. His salary will be $7 million a year minimum.

    • Forunda

      This is a women’s soccer forum

      • Steglitz49

        It is highly relevant to WoSo because if it is true then the Galaxy will not afford a WoSo side.

  • Bruce

    Sooo… with only 21 players in preseason camp to start with, I guess we know what the Breakers’ opening day roster will look like.

    Honestly, I can’t see any method to Beard’s roster management.

    https://twitter.com/KiersTheivam/status/849260543542272002

    • Steglitz49

      A broken jaw!??!!???

      • rkmid71

        I’m imagining corner kick or set piece practice where someone comes up from underneath to challenge (head to jaw). She’ll be drinking out of a straw for awhile…lots of smoothies.

  • Gary Diver

    Are the Euro-17 matches available to be watched in North America? Last year I watched numerous Euro-16 matches and it was a lot of fun to watch serious soccer played by good teams.

    • Steglitz49

      As far as I know, the BBC will cover it, as will SVT and German TV. Auntie Beeb is the obvious one to tune into being in English.

    • Bruce

      Are the NWSL matches available to be watched in North America? Last year I watched numerous NWSL matches and it was a lot of fun to watch serious soccer played by good teams.

      Couldn’t resist.

  • DNG

    Here’s Sauerbrunn on some of the stuff related to the CBA. Seems like they are not ready to move away from the contract structure which is not a surprise but disappointing. Hopefully there are some big changes to the number of non contract professional call ups.

    http://www.starsandstripesfc.com/2017/4/4/15178650/becky-sauerbrunn-healing-process-usmnt-uswnt?utm_campaign=thrace&utm_content=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

    • Reality

      There was also an article today in SI where Sauerbrunn discussed the the relationship between the men’s and women’s pay structure…

      “For so long, the national team has been our source of security for the player pool,” Sauerbrunn said. “The men have their pro teams. The national team has been our ‘pro team’ in quotes. And so for us as a players association, we’re looking forward and saying, ‘O.K., where is the women’s game going? What would be the most beneficial for the program?’

      “We absolutely think going to a pay-to-play model is the future. The problem is women’s soccer is not at the stage yet where our player pool can find our source of security from the NWSL. And so instead of making this huge shift, we’re gradually meeting in the middle, and then going from there.”

      https://www.si.com/planet-futbol/2017/04/04/becky-sauerbrunn-uswnt-cba-talks-nwsl-usmnt-relationship

      • DNG

        “We absolutely think going to a pay-to-play model is the future. The problem is women’s soccer is not at the stage yet where our player pool can find our source of security from the NWSL”

        This isn’t just a problem for the NT members but all women’s soccer players. I am resistant to the idea of increasing the pay gap between the non-contract and contract players further especially when US Soccer is paying their NWSL salaries too. There is also the possibility that the NWSL will never have salaries that give them the “security they’re looking for. Rather than increasing the WNT players contracts significantly, I think that money would be better spent putting it back into the NWSL in an effort to grow the league.

        • guest

          I’d put money on the prediction that national team members will be very resistant to taking a pay cut to help out their NWSL teammates.

          • Steglitz49

            “Some women are more equal than others”

          • rkmid71

            Yes. And very resistant to anything that increases competition for their spot on the team or that gives the coaches maximum flexibility in who they call up and name to rosters. That’s the way they’ve structured things in the past. I wonder what their NWSL teammates think of this behavior.

        • AlexH

          I don’t think it is the WNT players’s obligation to grow the league. They need to be compensated fairly for the revenue they bring in and if they want to help NWSL they can always make a charitable donation. I’m not altruistic when negotiating my salary with my boss, and they should not be either.

          • DNG

            Of course it not their obligation I just think it’s short sighted. It’s going to be difficult for them to show what is fair value when a lot of the revenue they generate is lumped in with the men and the lack of transparency from SUM.

          • AlexH

            Well you are right in that respect. It probably is short sighted

          • Steglitz49

            It is their obligation but it is also typical for women not to help their sisters.

          • AlexH

            What are you talking about. Do you think Messi or Ronaldo would take a pay cut so that some money could be splashed on some struggling teams in La Liga? Hell, they don’t even think they need to pay their taxes.

          • Steglitz49

            I can’t speak for either of those but a couple of years ago some interesting male sports facts came to light.

            At the 2011 X-country skiing world championships it leaked out that Petter Northug gave away all his bonus money to the Save the Children Fund. He had done so ever since he turned professional. At that championship Petter persuaded the other Norwegian skiers to join him in auctioning their golden jackets off for charity. They raised a lot of money.

            A year or so later, we learnt that Zlatan too had opened his wallet. The head coach for the Swedish handicapped children’s soccer team had approached him asking Zlatan if he would donate a signed shirt for an auction. “What would the money go to?” asked Zlatan. When told that it was to raise money so that the team could travel to the world cup, Zlatan asked how much was needed and for the bank account number. The money was transferred that day.

            The ultimate example is John Terry, who opened his wallet for Chelsea Ladies, thereby rescuing them from oblivion. Hard to believe these days.

          • AlexH

            Yes but these are a) voluntary acts of charity and b) unusual, hence newsworthy. I don’t think John Terry for example would have liked to have his salary docked to fund the women because “it’s the right thing to do,” nor do I think the WNT should have their checks reduced for the sake of NWSL unless the federation can convince them that it is in their interest to do so.

          • Steglitz49

            John Terry helped lady players.

            Yes. The examples I give are of voluntary gifts. The central issue with regards to WoSo in the US seems to be that middle-class women do not seem to give a toss for their sisters.

            Where does the Title IX money come from?

          • rkmid71

            The restrictions and rules about calling up prospective WNT players need to be significantly loosened — thus how you define the WNT constantly changes as it should with any national team. In aggregate, the WNT shouldn’t have their checks reduced (or should be a function of revenues generated) — but how that gets allocated to individual players changes all the time. It can’t be that you are locked into a specific group of players. The federation doesn’t have to convince them of that. They just need to tell them this is the way it’s going to be. And how is that not fair to the WNT and to every existing and future player? No player is indispensable.

          • Steglitz49

            It is their obligation.

            The current crop of USWNT members are the lucky ones in the gravy. Nobody gains by the gravy drying up.

            Alex, Carli, HAO, Lauren and Abby plus a bunch of others put their shoulders to the NWSL wheel in 2013 while some of their team mates swanned off.

          • #1Fan

            Any national team built on a subsidized league has to get the balance right. Osmosis creates balance by definition. The route to and from the highest paid slots – National team – has to flow both ways.

            That means players can earn more on the NT, but we cannot have the majority be guaranteed slots and cannot have a monopoly on “security”

          • #1Fan

            if we do this and increase the gap, I can see more and more talented players leaving the game for other careers. I can see girls who have not broken in by U-20 saying forget it.

            i stress UNDER THIS REGIME

          • DNG

            I agree. I think that If they want to increase the pay gap there needs to be some significant changes to how selection happens and the arbitrary restrictions on non contracted players needs to be eliminated. I think the current leadership needs to be replaced regardless of what happens with the CBA. I’m guessing they will give Ellis another 6 months to right the ship though. Even if it gets easier for other players to break into the team I worry about the women who are playing soccer for the league minimum and are expected to be training essentially all year round.

        • Reality

          The ideal solution is for the NWSL teams to be able to raise sufficient revenue through their attendance to support equitable salaries for their players. Since that is not likely to occur in the near future or ever, there must be some sort of subsidy through the USSF or allowed through private source sponsorships.

          The bottom line is that WOSO just does not generate the revenue that men’s soccer does so it is difficult to achieve equality of pay. The USWNT has already backed down on that and has redefined their demand as equibility which appears to be more acceptable to the USSF.

          Thus the USWNTPA is in the uncomfortable position of securing their unique financial status or making concessions to benefit the NWSL.

          • AlexH

            One place where I think a subsidy should be demanded is from MLS teams that enjoy a publicly subsidized stadium. If it is OK to demand that colleges that get federal funding give equal athletic scholarships to men and women, then it is perfectly fine to tell teams that there use of a publically funded stadium demands that they field a professional women’s team as well.

          • Steglitz49

            How many MLS teams enjoy this largesse? And, why can’t the NWSL hire the same stadiums?

          • AlexH

            Lots. My guess is that nearly all of the soccer specific stadiums that MLS teams use were built in part with public money.

          • Steglitz49

            That the NWSL teams ask to use them.

          • Reality

            An excellent point. I would be curious to know to what degree taxpayer monies are involved in MLS stadiums. If they are, then there might be an obligation under Title IX for funds to be allocated to support women’s soccer teams.

          • Steglitz49

            Thank you for repeating my question about the stadia.

            As regards Title IX — “No person in the United States shall, on the basis of sex, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any education program or activity receiving Federal financial assistance.” — as I understand it no Federal money goes into these stadia.

          • Reality

            “The growth of America’s premier soccer league from 10 to 20 teams over the last two decades was fueled by a frenzy of stadium construction — 15 of the teams have built stadiums specifically for themselves, 12 with substantial help from taxpayers and local government.”

            http://www.startribune.com/april-23-when-building-mls-stadiums-formulas-are-all-over-the-map/301011471/

            How Title IX would apply here is unclear to me. Would it just imply equal access to facilities for a fee by a women’s team or something more than that?

          • Steglitz49

            Title IX is only relevant if Federal money was involved in some way. A smart lawyer might be able to spin that wider but the US WoSo is infamous for hiring dingbat counsel.

          • AlexH

            I don’t know if Title 9 is relevant if for no other reason than back when the law was being written public gifts to billionaire team owners was probably not on the radar.
            I’m no lawyer but I think Steg is right when he says that there has to be federal funds for the law to apply, BUT I suspect that states may also have similar laws though.
            Also (and my legal knowledge is totally insufficient to even discuss this, but what the hell it’s the internet) I think there might be a problem with standing. If I am a female soccer player at a college it is pretty easy for may to sue over the fact that there are insufficient scholarships for me, but who exactly is the aggrieved party if there isn’t a woso franchise? My guess is that the time to try the public funds ploy would be when funds are first being considered and raise a ruckus at that point.

          • Reality

            I think the real problem with Title IX relevancy is that it only applies to educational institutions. Unless the MLS is considered an educational institution, they would have no obligation here. So I think you are correct in regard to standing.

          • Steglitz49

            As I stated 2 hours ago. Now you believe me.

        • #1Fan

          Cake and eat it too. Its hard to read it any other way.

          • DNG

            I don’t blame them for trying to negotiate what they can get. But as a fan of the sport and not just the team, I can’t get myself personally to support the growing inequality between the USWNT contracted players and the rest, especially when the path to the full team seems so contrived and unfair.

        • guest

          the uswnt players make over $50,000 for a six month nwsl season in which they regularly miss a quarter of the games. it is not the ussf’s job to guarantee financial security to national team players. if the uswnt players feel they need six-figure financial security salaries that they aren’t currently getting in the nwsl, then they should get second jobs in the off-season like alot of other workers in the united states have to.

          • DNG

            What are you arguing here. The NWSL, USSF and the USWNTPA all agreed on this no matter what I may think of it. The USSF gets to call their players up whenever they feel like for agreeing to subsidize their players. The NWSL teams like it because it means they can keep the salary cap lower by 100k or so and of course the players like it. If it was such an extraordinary expense for the USSF they would not have agreed in the first place.

        • rkmid71

          Yes about putting funds into NWSL …. and increasing the “security” for the player pool, broadly defined (i.e. not just a few players).

      • guest

        Wow I can’t believe she actually admitted that. I wonder if this new arrangement will allow more flexibility to call up more players.

        • Reality

          There would have to be specific language in the CBA that would define those circumstances.

      • guest

        then the uswnt gang of five shouldn’t have wasted everyone’s time going on every tv show the last year saying they want the same pay as the usmnt. they should all be dropped for their lies and deception.

        • Reality

          I think that since that time there was a realignment in the leadership for the USWNTPA and a new legal counsel which produced a different strategy in response to the lack of progress in the negotiations.

    • guest

      so the uswnt players didn’t really want equality with the usmnt after all. what a shocker. just a bunch of self-interested opportunists.

      • DNG

        I don’t think anyone here thought they wanted identical contract structures right now. Hard to blame them for being self-interested opportunists as that’s not exactly different from any other union. I hope they think about some issues bigger than themselves but I won’t hold my breath.

  • Steglitz49

    In merry England 2 of the FAWPL Reserve Division titles were won last Sunday with Blackburn Rovers and Tottenham Hotspur celebrating.

  • Gary Diver

    Future of CBA

    IF USSF digs in its heels and says the allocation/tenure-system CBA has to be replaced by a merit system, where can things end up? Could USSF lock out the USWNT players? If USSF is adamant about this, what leverage does the players have to force USSF to change their minds? In other words, if this stalemate turns into a battle of wills, who has the most cards in their hand?

    P.S. Is there any other women’s national team with a system/contract that USWNT has with USSF?

    • DNG

      It sounds like the biggest thing they need to agree on is amount of compensation. I doubt that USSF is digging their heels in on the contract stuff right now.

      • Gary Diver

        What is the advantage for USSF to continue a rotten system of privilege? In “the land of opportunity”, there is not much opportunity in USWNT outside the privileged few.

        • DNG

          It’s a matter of priority. USSF probably does not care about this anywhere near as much as the amount of compensation being negotiated.

      • Steglitz49

        The USSF is prioritising sorting out the men’s game. They are not wasting energy on WoSo.

    • guest

      “Is there any other women’s national team with a system/contract that USWNT has with USSF?”
      partly due to success of USA USWNT with base contract system and partly due to woso club teams not paying decent salaries some other federations have also moved towards WNT base contract arrangements

      – England FA has “central contracts” with English WNT players – players then also have contracts with their club teams. English FA has also (in the past) provided some funding directly to club teams
      – Australia federation has base contracts (2 tiers) with Australian WNT – players also then have separate contracts with their club teams. Australian federation has also provided (in the past) some funding directly to club teams.
      – Canada also has some sort of base contract for WNT
      – Brazil, payed base salary during extended prep for WC/OG in 2015/2016

      USA women’s hockey team arrangement that was recently agreed (after US women went on strike) was to a great extend modeled on USWNT/USSF deal

      • Steglitz49

        I think Gary Diver is after whether the tight restrictions to calling up new talent apply to such arrangements too.

        It is hard to tell but it seems that the various systems you sight are less of an exclusive club for those who have arrived.

        • guest

          the USSF/USWNT CBA (which dates from 2006, amended by MOU in 2013 to add NWSL stuff and adjust $$$) does have limits (only 8 non contract players can be called up for a camp/match etc) but many/most of the limits actually relate to amount USSF budgets for USWNT (USSF funds approx 24 tier#1 slots and 24-28 slots overall).

          Australia (and I expect England and Canada) also has limit on number of base contracts – which is basically a funding limit.

        • guest

          per 2009 article in Guardian, when England FA introduced central contracts in 2009 they funded 17 contracts (but article also notes that in 2009 other WNT were playing professional in USA & elsewhere already earning more than central contracts)
          “… the Football Association, in a bid to boost the national team’s hopes of success at major tournaments, has awarded central contracts to 17 players. A further three are likely to be added to the roster and, with salaries of £16,000 each, the FA is committing a total of £1.28m to the scheme over an initial four-year period.”

          I think the FA may now (2017) be funding up to 24 central contracts and I think the contract amounts and overall budget are higher now (but so far can’t find a published reference)

    • Steglitz49

      Seeing that no matches of significance will be played for another 2 years, what is the hurry?