Another USWNT injury: Tobin Heath out of camp

The Equalizer Staff March 30, 2017 280
Tobin Heath has a minor back injury and will not play in the upcoming USWNT matches against Russia.

Tobin Heath has a minor back injury and will not play in the upcoming USWNT matches against Russia.

March began with worries over the United States’ performance in the SheBelieves Cup. It will end with concerns over the collective health of the team. On Thursday, Tobin Heath became the latest to be withdrawn from training camp and two friendlies next week against Russia. Heath did not join the camp which began today, due to a minor back injury. Earlier this week, Morgan Brian was taken out of consideration due to an MLC injury and a hip strain got the better of Heath’s Portland teammate Lindsey Horan. Julie Johnston is also missing the camp in order to marry Zach Ertz.

Jaelin Howell, 17, was named Wednesday to replace Horan. She is the only replacement for the three injured players. Jill Ellis will now take 22 players to camp and choose 18 to dress against Russia on April 6 in Frisco and a new 18 on April 9 in Houston. Howell, Jane Campbell, and Megan Oyster are the three uncapped players.

An updated USWNT camp roster is below:

GOALKEEPERS (3): Jane Campbell (Houston Dash), Ashlyn Harris (Orlando Pride), Alyssa Naeher (Chicago Red Stars)
DEFENDERS (6): Meghan Klingenberg (Portland Thorns FC), Ali Krieger (Orlando Pride), Kelley O’Hara (Sky Blue FC), Megan Oyster (Boston Breakers), Becky Sauerbrunn (FC Kansas City), Casey Short (Chicago Red Stars)
MIDFIELDERS (6): Jaelin Howell (Real Colorado), Rose Lavelle (Boston Breakers), Carli Lloyd (Houston Dash/Manchester City), Allie Long (Portland Thorns FC), Samantha Mewis (NC Courage), Megan Rapinoe (Seattle Reign FC)
FORWARDS (7): Crystal Dunn (Chelsea Ladies FC), Alex Morgan (Orlando Pride/Olympique Lyonnais, FRA), Kealia Ohai (Houston Dash), Christen Press (Chicago Red Stars), Mallory Pugh (UCLA), Amy Rodriguez (FC Kansas City), Lynn Williams (NC Courage)

  • Paul Klee

    Carli might have to play some D. Discounting Howell and if Long is still anchoring the 3-back. That leaves only 3 center Mids and Lavelle hasn’t played that for the NT. If only there were some other American 6s 8s or 10s that were any good.

    • Bruce

      With JJ Ertz on her honeymoon, who else would anchor the 3 back. Brunn?

      The midfield is more of a mess than it was in SBC with three players down and no real replacement called up.

      I find it hard to imagine how you run a 3-5-2 with the available players.

      • mockmook
        • DNG

          Not that it will matter against Russia but I would not play Lavelle in the pivot.

          • mockmook

            Switching S.Mewii and Lavelle might be better.

          • Steglitz49

            Mewis, please.

        • Bruce

          Ok, I’d go with that if you push Lavelle forward and drop Long/Mewis behind.

        • Bruce

          I had forgotten that Ohai had gotten a call. This team is way thin on players who can play wingback.

          • DNG

            It’s against Russia they can play Klingenberg as a wingback and it likely wont matter. These games won’t tell us anything.

          • Bruce

            No argument from me.

          • mockmook

            Ohai, O’Hara and Dunn are all excellent options at WB.

            Next on my depth chart (using this Roster) would be Krieger, which isn’t too shabby.

            I guess Gilliland would be the first one I’d use from outside the Roster to play WB.

          • DNG

            I like Krieger as a CB in your formation. I’m less crazy about Kelley there. Kelley is a perfect fit for wingback though

          • mockmook

            I like a FB/CB hybrid for those outside CBs — Krieger, as you say, fits the bill.

            No one else on this roster is quite right, but I’d like to try O’Hara there (I think she would be better than Short).

          • uh

            I’m gonna disagree with you about Ohai at wingback.

          • DNG

            Why. I think she’d be a good wing back. Probably not as good as Kelley or Dunn but still good.

          • uh

            I mean why do you think she’d be good? Has she ever played as a wing back anywhere?

          • DNG

            She’s very fast, does good defensive work, has a high work rate and is a good crosser. All the attributes I’d look for in a wing back. I think she’s better suited to be a wing back at top level than she is as a winger. Her skill set is a lot less impressive to me when it comes to being a winger.

          • kernel_thai

            It’s a moot point. Rapinoe can suddenly stand and Klingenberg is back. Left side is closed with or without Heath.

        • HOFCToDi

          A complete waste of storage space on the drawformation website, yet again.

        • guest

          No offense because I’m sure you put at least a few minutes of thought into this but this formation is god awful.

          • guest

            Ok honestly at first I was gonna let you have your bad opinion in piece but this is the worst line up someone not named Jill could produce. Why would you play Kelley as a center back when you have Oyster or Short available. Second. Why would you play Ohai on the whole entire wing like that. Play Kelley as a wingback because you know thats her actual position. This would be the perfect position for her actually. Or even play Alex who played as a winger vs. Wolfsburg and had the entire left side in her pocket. Why would you put Rose as the anchorman. Mewis is much better at tackling, aggression, physicality, and basically every quality you would need to play as a holding mid. Rose is an extremely creative player that would be very useful in the attack. I’d prefer to not see Allie’s clumsy self playing at all, but I’ll leave that out. As for the top two, I’d rather see Morgan and Press than Williams and Press. Morgan’s been in good form for Lyon, and before anyone says anything about the “cupcake league”, she was great in the Champions League despite not scoring. Williams scored but was overall unimpressive in the she believes cup. Sub either Press or Morgan out for Williams, depending on whose getting beaten up more by the Russians. We haven’t gotten to see Morgan and Williams play together at all. It could work well.

          • Bruce

            Alex Morgan hustles back on defense in one game in six years and now she’s a viable wing back?

          • guest

            In a game against Russia where, according to mockmook, Ohai would be our best option at the left wing… yes. I’d still put O’Hara ahead of her for the record. If Morgan can pocket the entire left half of Wolfsburg in 2 separate games, she’d do fine filling in against Russia.

          • #1Fan

            Am is not a wingback. Not even close.

          • Steglitz49

            She defanged and declawed the Shewolves OK when it mattered. Twice to boot.

          • kernel_thai

            If I had to pick an attacker between Ohai and KO Id pick Ohai. If I had to pick a flank defender between the two Id still pick Ohai. Now is Ohai the answer to every problem? No but if ur going with a formation that leaves a ton of space to attack in, Ohai can do that and still has the work rate and the inclination to defend for u.

          • DNG

            Even if I don’t think much of Morgan’s game overall and was not anywhere near as high on her performance as many, Morgan has always worked hard. She just has a different role leading the line for the US.

          • Bruce

            I’m not questioning her work ethic. It’s putting someone who hasn’t played even a midfield position her entire career in a slot that includes back-line responsibilities that seems crazy to me.

            But then again, Allie Long…

          • DNG

            My mistake I read you comment differently than you meant it and I agree with you. Morgan is not a wing back.

          • jc

            She doesn’t need to play as a wing back this whole time. I’m just saying that if Mockmook is thinking that OHAI is our best left wing option, he’s wrong. O’Hara would thrive in this role. Morgan would do find playing as a wingback for 2 games against a bad team when were short personnel because she did it extremely well against a much better opponent.

          • DNG

            mockmook just gave an example of a lineup he/she thinks will work. Even though I would chose Kelley here over Ohai I don’t think it’s crazy to want to try Ohai here as well. Maybe she could turn out to be a better wing back than KO. I don’t think anything is so black and white right now with regards to who is the best player at each position.

          • kernel_thai

            The first problem with this theory is Ellis won’t play O’Hara on the left. She didn’t give her a shot to win the left back job despite her playing there for both Sundhage & Sermanni. When she uses her in the midfield it’s on the right flank or at right back. If u want to make a case for KO on the right instead of Dunn or Pugh on the left instead of Ohai u might get more traction with Coach Ellis.

            It’s all just wishful thinking anyway. It’s going to be some half assed lineup with Lavelle and Long playing positions they knows nothing about

          • Steglitz49

            Alex Morgan is one of the giants of WoSo. It is worth trying out where she can best help the new USWNT for 2019. Allie Long is a WoSo player. They have in common their given names starting in an A and being married.

          • kernel_thai

            And she was replaced centrally by Hegerberg. When Lynn Williams is Ada Hegerberg Ill think about moving Morgan wide. Until then Id rather see Morgan and Press learning to work together up top and concentrate on a midfield that can get the ball to the attackers in scoring spots.

          • Steglitz49

            Two. It has been 2 games against the Shewolves and those Shewolves can eat Russia’s WNT for breakfast.

          • guest

            I don’t really agree. She has always played a lot more defense than Press. Press has been adding this to her game a lot more.

          • Bruce

            this isn’t about press or any other forward to be honest.

            There’s a big difference between executing a high press or dispossessing from behind and having a primary responsibility in the defensive third. The required mentality, decision making, and skill-sets are not the same. I would hate to see Morgan or any forward except Dunn in that position.

          • aj

            I’m gonna guess you didn’t watch the Lyon/Wolfsburg games because Alex Morgan did exactly that against one of the best teams in the world. She would do fine against Russia.

          • mockmook

            It doesn’t matter what people are able to do against Russia — what is important is: Where they are best suited against the top teams?

          • Steglitz49

            Why not leave Alex in Lyon and try out some other player?

          • mockmook
        • Steglitz49

          Mewis, please. Her name ends in an “s”.

          I guess you could write Kealia as “Ohas” to even it out and Williams as Williami not to forget Press and Presi to be consistent.

          • guest

            for what it is worth, the Mewis family name as pronounced by the Mewis family is Mewie ( see K Mewis twitter )

          • Steglitz49

            Then he could write “Mewie” with an “e” on the end and they would become “Mewises”. Meouw!

            A couple of years ago when both K and S were in contention for the NT, there was a tongue in cheek commentary exchange in the EQ about the most appropriate way of pluralising Mewis. One suggestion was “Mewids”, like in Druids. This was based on some Greek or Latin rule that when a noun ends in “-is”, its plural is “-ids” and not “-ii” or “-ises”. We say irises, though.

            She sells seashells by the seashore — the misses Mewies …

        • kernel_thai

          ………..Morgan——-Press
          ………………….Lavelle
          Ohai—————————-Dunn
          ……………Long———Mewis
          O’Hara——Sauerbrunn—–Krieger

          • mockmook

            That works too, but you misspelled Mewii

        • kernel_thai

          Last ditch effort by Ellis to get enough bodies in the attack to score goals. I call it the tuning fork formation

          ………….Morgan……………….Press
          …………..Ohai…………………..Dunn
          …………..Rapinoe……………..Pugh
          ………..Klingenberg–Lloyd–O’Hara
          …………………………..Long

          ………………………..Sauerbrunn
          ………………………….Naeher

        • JL

          Any formation for the NT that has Allie Long the suck-up in it is terrible.

          • mockmook

            OK, at this exact moment, given injuries and whatnot, who are the 2 CAMs and the DM?

          • DNG

            I don’t have any problem with Long in any midfield but how about Mewis and Lavelle in the attacking roles and Killion in the pivot. Long is probably the best goal scorer out of all of those options though.

          • mockmook

            Solid choices, but I was thinking of just the current USWNT roster.

          • DNG

            I can see your predicament. Of the current choices I like your midfield the best. I might put Mewis in the pivot but Long is the better distributer from deep so I think what you have is fine. This roster doesn’t exactly have a lot of options at CM

          • DNG

            I’d like to see Colaprico and Dibernardo in there too.

          • DNG

            This comment doesn’t exactly explain why any formation that has Allie Long in it is terrible. The stuck-up part, whether or not it’s true, is just unnecessary. I’m assuming you don’t know her personally to give any substance to this assertion either.

          • Calci0

            Yeh, attacking a players character, or claiming to know their personality to prove a point is bush league.

          • HOFCToDi

            Allie Long is a defensive disaster, whether at the #6 or at centerback.

  • guest

    lol. They’ll still win but this should be interesting

  • Nild

    If the USWNT were going to play a top opponent I would be worried. Since with Tobin Heath gone that would certainly cripple the attack of the USWNT. But since it’s Russia, I’m ok with this.

    I wish her a very quick recovery.

    • mockmook

      “Tobin Heath gone that would certainly cripple the attack”

      Uh, no.

      • Nild

        Uh yes. But you’re hadly known for being objective torwards certain players. So I won’t argue with you.

        • DNG

          I like Heath. I don’t think she was doing much attacking at all at SBC playing as a wing back. Under ideal circumstances I don’t think missing any one player would be hugely devastating to the team overall if there was a good coach in place. Right now the attack looks lifeless with or without Heath because Ellis is clueless.

          • Bruce

            Heath is the only player who seems to be able to put together a complete game at wing back, at least so far.

          • DNG

            I disagree, I don’t think she looked comfortable there at all. The position forces her to primarily be a crosser when her strengths revolve more around combining and short passing. I don’t think she’s a very good crosser. The position marginalizes her strengths and exposes her weakness. I’m sure she’s doing the best she can but I’d prefer a player like KO and Dunn as wing backs. I’d think about trying Heath in the midfield in a 3 back formation but Carli would need to go.

  • FawcettFan14

    Cue random U-17 player getting a call-up to replace Heath…

    • guest

      you might want to consider an alternative career as a fortune teller 😉

      us soccer announced call up for Smith (another U-17 player)
      “CHICAGO (March 31, 2017) – After losing three players from the training camp roster due to injuries, U.S. Women’s National Team head coach Jill Ellis has called up 16-year-old forward Sophia Smith. Smith will depart the U.S. Under-23 Women’s National Team event in Portland, Oregon, and will join the U.S. camp today.”

      • FawcettFan14

        Jill is getting predictable in her complete randomness and illogicalness.

  • AlexH

    Well maybe JE will back into the following:
    Fwds: Dunn, Morgan (or Press)
    Wings: Ohai, O’Hara
    CMF: Lavelle, Pugh, Mewis
    CB: Oyster, Krieger, Short
    The idea is to play without the chosen ones and see what happens.

    • Gary Diver

      It would be great to see what USWNT looks like without Lloyd and Long on the field. If you can’t experiment against Russia, who can you experiment against?

    • Steglitz49

      Reminds me of that diddy: “Oh, Oh, O! To catch and throw …”

      • AlexH

        What is that diddy for? I used to do “Oh, Oh, Oh To Touch And Feel….” for the cranial nerves.

        • Steglitz49

          Yes. Both work, I think.

    • HOFCToDi

      Pragmatism has gone completely out the window with Jill Ellis.

      #FireJillEllis

  • HOFCToDi

    Under the direction of April Heinrichs and Jill Ellis, the women’s program is in complete shambles.

    • Steglitz49

      We won’t know for sure till after WC-19.

  • Tom F

    Megan Oyster?, my pick to make the NT from several years ago, Jill Ellis, where you’ve been all my life!

    PS, please EQ stop putting so many advo’s on this site, it’s freezing up my PC

    • mockmook

      It is hell.

      But, use an adblocker in the meantime

    • Steglitz49

      Someone or something has to pay for the site.

  • guest

    Heath should probably lay off the roids

  • DNG
    • #1Fan

      Hilarious. Full on joke mode now. The most meteoric rise since Lazarus.

      • DNG

        Yeah I don’t understand it at all. Why are all of these youth players full NT players over College and NWSL options. Someone(Heinrichs, Ellis maybe both) must have an agenda here and it’s not going to work. Not that I think she was ready either but what happened to Ashley Sanchez?

        • #1Fan

          you saw smith the other night vs POR no? She played the 9 .

          • DNG

            She did. I was more asking if you’ve seen her get used differently in any other setting.

          • #1Fan

            played wide for the 17s Plays thru the middle for club

          • Bruce

            Hashtag now trending on twitter: #LeaveThoseKidsAlone

          • DNG

            If I remember correctly that didn’t amount to much more than some minutes as a game changing sub so not too much experience out wide then.

          • DNG

            She did not look like a wide player to me but I admittedly have a very small sample to work from

        • #1Fan

          your question on Sanchez is a very valid one. if you took a poll pre WC of which U-17 would be called in to actual Full squads for games. She would have been the odds on favorite by a mile.

          Sh was double shifted into the U-20s. None of these kids were, so its valid to ask…what changed?

      • DNG

        I have not really seen Smith to know but is she a wide player?

        • kernel_thai

          Ellis 101: Any player can play anywhere.

          • rkmid71

            Sure they can. However, some places, just not very well. JE doesn’t seem to care about finding players to makeup the best TEAM. It’s all about individuals and as you say just putting them anywhere on the field where there is a need or spot available. That’s why the soccer is so bad.

      • kernel_thai

        So the U23 coach must be a much better coach than the U17 coach who didn’t play her much in WC???

        • #1Fan

          indeed.

          • kernel_thai

            My working theory with Ellis calling up Pugh, Howell and Smith is she is trying to get player support for a promotion to the head coaching position at Real Colorado.

          • Bruce

            ha. or a teaching gig at Howell and Smith’s HS.

          • kernel_thai

            Hopefully in the English Lit department

        • Bruce

          For the record: Smith played 77 of 270 mins in the U17 WC.

          • kernel_thai

            Maybe Snow wanted her fresh for the knockout rounds

          • mockmook

            Was keeping her fresh for the friendlies against Russia…

      • guest

        will smith soon announce she is skipping college to play pro in the nwsl?

        • Steglitz49

          Not likely but the monied men’s clubs in Europe might make a bid for her services.

      • Calci0

        “Between February 15 and March 8, Smith was in Europe, first with the
        U.S. Under-18 Women’s National Team in England, where she scored five
        goals in three games, a performance that earned her a first call-up to
        the U.S. Under-20 Women’s National Team in La Manga, Spain, where she
        scored another four goals in three matches.” Why not give her a camp invite, especially with the rash of injuries. It’s not as if she was handed a starting XI slot for WC19.

        • #1Fan

          Clearly they can do whatever they want. It just suggests that the cupboard is very bare when a player who has been under USSF motoring for such a long time is suddenly elevated above college and pro talent. For it to happen once, Pinto, suggests that we may be seeing a rare once in 20 years type talent. For it to happen 3x in less than a month suggest something very different.

          it seems the injuries are midfielders and yet we are not elevating Pinto. Now we are saying Howell then Smith ( a forward).

          Thats my rationale. I think all three are talented players but
          I dont see the rush and I really dont understand the messaging.

          • Calci0

            I see Ellis trying to evaluate them early against senior team talent, in a competitive atmosphere. I highly doubt they make the final 18, so I don’t see fault in calling them in for a short stint. With the U-23 team, and many NWSL teams in preseason, maybe Ellis is looking at players that won’t miss out on much by being called in?!?

          • HOFCToDi

            Unless a pay to play structure is ratified in the new CBA, the USWNT coaching staff will be hamstrung by an outdated player allocation system.

          • Calci0

            I do think player contracts come into play also when it comes to player selection. Like you mentioned above, if a player gets too many call-ups, then they are afforded a contract, which cost the Fed money.

          • HOFCToDi

            Name one men’s program that operates in such outrageous manner.

          • JL

            Wow, a logical POV. You sure you’re in the right place?

          • #1Fan

            i think there are plenty of logical people here.

          • HOFCToDi

            You are not one of them.

          • DNG

            It sends the wrong message to the players who are better right now. It would be a tragedy if Colaprico(or someone similar) decided to retire next year because they weren’t give a fair look from Ellis and they couldn’t see a pathway to the NT.

          • Calci0

            Again though. Why call Danielle Colaprico in, if Ellis is pretty sure she won’t make the 18? And why further deplete an NWSL squad, when you can use the time to evaluate other players at a different level. I don’t think a Smith call-up means Ellis isn’t giving a player that has received 2 call-ups the cold shoulder.

          • DNG

            I have a big problem with decisions like “Colaprico can’t make it at the international level” because of what Ellis sees behind closed doors in a controlled camp environment. Personally I don’t think Ellis has a clue what she’s doing or what she’s looking for especially at central midfield which has been a problem position for this team for the better part of 5 plus years if not longer. I think Colaprico has receive a total of 2 or 3 call ups and gotten zero minutes. And I agree with #1Fan that if I was looking for a closer Heath replacement, it would have been Sanchez not that I think she’s ready to be a full team player either. The cynic in me thinks that Ellis sees the NWSL as a place to fill in immediate holes on her team, not a place to select future first team members. I think this line of thinking is wrong.

          • Calci0

            I don’t know if you are using your opening as a general comment you have seen being made, and not attributing it to me. Because at no point did I say Colaprico doesn’t rate, or can’t make it at the international level. I think Ellis knows these short-notice replacements aren’t going to get caught up to the point they are selected to the gameday 18. So it gives her an opportunity to bring in a player or two, and evaluate them against top talent. Again, I don’t think Ellis made her replacement selections looking to 100% / Same for Same, replace injured players. So she wasn’t looking for a heath clone, but used the opportunity to bring in a new player that has been in good form, to see if she could carry that level against some of the best in the world. And time will truly tell how much Ellis values the NWSL, but she has made moves based off players and their NWSL performance. Williams, and Long, are both examples of Ellis not looking just for immediate fills. Do I agree with every move Ellis has made, NOPE!, Would my roster selections look radically different, probably not, but there are a dozen or so moves, that I would look to make. Even players currently on the roster that would stay, many would be positioned differently. That;s all to say, I too as a fan am not giving Ellis a blank pass. But I can understand some of her moves, even if I don’t always agree with them.

          • DNG

            It wasn’t direct at you specifically. It was more of an interpretation of what I as an outside observer sees from Ellis. I see Long and Short as more short term replacements(one more cycle max). Williams seems to be a work in progress player that Ellis has taken to investing in. I think it’s wrong to uses NT camps to evaluate U18 year olds that are exceptional and none of those that were called up have proven to be that so far. I think it sends both the U18 players and the professional players the wrong message about what it takes to break into the team. Theses are also the same players who proved they were not good enough at the U17 world cup. What of their evaluation in that setting. Does the U17 WC performance not matter?

          • Calci0

            You may not deem the body of their work exceptional, But my point of view, is that Smith recent performance, that lasted over a duration of six games was exception that it earned her a further look. To me I see nothing wrong with reward her recent form, given the circumstances. Again the circumstances consist of a short-notice call-up to fill in, during a camp that was already in progress, thus isn’t a full blown evaluation call-up. How many of these players were called up for the near month long January camp?!? Howell and Smith will probably get about a weeks worth of training. To me it’s not the issue some have made it out to be. Without injuries, NWSL preseason games, and the U-23 team in action, I doubt we see at least two of these players. Also to use the U17 WC as the be all?!? Then why not drop every player that had minutes in Oly16?!? since they weren’t successful.

          • DNG

            My opinion. They should have called up new U17 and new U20 players after their failure at the recent tournaments. There is no reason to no widen the player pool at those ages especially when those who were selected did not perform. Does that mean that I think any should be permanently out of consideration? No, but they don’t need to be brought back in right away either. This is the perfect time to look over some players that might have just missed the cut as it were. And their is their recent body of work in friendlies more significant than the UWC performances Smith scored some goals playing CF for the U18s. Is this really the standard for excellence? U18 is an in between team at youth level. U17 and U20 are the big age groups. I imagine all NWSL players would have happily been available on short notice

          • Calci0

            Or maybe they would have preferred getting ready for the season with their respective teams?!? Maybe Ellis was looking to limit the impact on NWSL teams/coaches played a factor. It doesn’t just have to be the narrative that fits the “Ellis doesn’t pick the right players the right way” mindset. And Smith also scored goals for the “big age group” U20’s at La Manga. Slight it as much as you want, but 7 goals in six matches is something worth noting.

          • DNG

            That makes sense for a veteran like Heath who we know will be back with the team. For players that are looking to break in like Colaprico and Dibernardo among others, I am not buying this argument at all. I don’t think there’s anything that those fringe players wouldn’t do for a chance at their dream.

          • Calci0

            Again, it may not just be up to the players. Ellis may prefer for the professional fringe players to get ready for their season. She’s had both the players you mentioned in before. And will probably have them back again. Ellis as a coach may be looking out for fellow coaches in the NWSL and look to not disrupt the preparation for the season more than she needs to. This is a special situation, yet some make it seem like this happens all the time?!? 3 players went down in a short period of time, right before a friendly. Ellis used this opportunity to get a look at 2 players at a level they hadn’t performed at before. I see no issue with it. Obviously you disagree. But the theme I have sensed is Ellis isn’t going to be able to please some no matter what. If she were to overhaul her complete roster to the exact 23 players a fan on this site wanted, I venture the 1st comment would be, “Why didn’t you do this 2 years ago”…..

          • DNG

            “Ellis may prefer for the professional fringe players to get ready for their season.”

            Why would Ellis prefer this and what past history is there to show that the USSF cares about the NWSL at all? Why would this only apply to fringe players and not contract players as well? If she cares so much about the NWSL preseason why schedule these friendlies at all?

            I don’t see this as some special situation. Look at how they USMNT had to replace all their injured players on short notice in the last window. Obviously it’s a different situation with the men having qualifiers but the practice of bringing up U-17 players like this is not normal no matter the circumstances.

            I understand that people are always going to disagree with what Ellis does but that doesn’t mean these decisions are any less perplexing.

          • #1Fan

            most of the U17 team were automatically promoted, just like the coach was. No one is slighting it. the point being offered is that there were other options.

            Is it possible that an NWSL player could do something in training that would increase the probability of a full cap? If the answer is yes, then JE is essentially saying she does not war to give them that opportunity. You seem to be suggesting that the players called in are just camp fodder and cannot increase the is NT chances, therefore it does not matter. i.e. it just a chance to train with better talent to see where they are at. I disagree.

            Given the history, chances to impress in camp are worth at least as much as playing a full NWSL season and impressing. Arguably more.

            Respect your opinion, but in this case I think its fairly clear. JE does not think Colaprico, Killion Di Bernardo or any of the NWSLers are that close to inclusion.

          • DNG

            I don’t understand how Long was somehow able to break into the team but the other three you mentioned have hardly gotten a shot and in the case of DiBernardo she hasn’t gotten a shot at all. As much as I like Long I don’t think she’s that much better if better at all than the other three and a center midfielder. I guess Ellis would point to camp performance but I find that reasoning to be unsatisfactory. They only thing Long clearly does objective better than those three is score goals and that really isn’t something I’m worried about for a 6. Killion, Colaprico and DiBernardo were the better defenders and ball retrievers in the NWSL.

          • #1Fan

            Who knows, Im just trying to read the tea leaves. I understand what Calcio is saying, I just cannot see any camp opportunity as anything but hugely important given the history.

          • DNG

            Me too. It appears as if camp performance is critically important which would make sense if the NWSL did not exist…

          • #1Fan

            We have to accept that for what it is, so given that, JE clearly does not rate the players mentioned as being close to the full NT.

            I think it is hard to underestimate the impact this has on said players. I bet is it very demoralizing.

            Howell has earned a Full NT camp on what? Given the U17 WC, we can only assume it performance in U20 and U-23 camp and a game and a half vs NWSL teams in friendlies.

            The thing is, potential is often much more tempting than the actual. There is a tendency to project it forward. I think there is a lot of this going on at NT level at the moment. I would have less to say and a lot more faith in it if Pinto had been capped at the SBC. That would tell me that while I dont see her at that level, they do. Thats just fine. People differ on players all the time. To support Calcios point, the fact that Pinto was not capped, suggests that JE is not looking to add anyone really. Just running the slide rule over various young players.

            I dont think thats a wise move, but thats just my opinion. If its designed to fire up NWSLers, then maybe, but I think it may backfire.

          • Reality

            “The thing is, potential is often much more tempting than the actual. There is a tendency to project it forward.”

            I would add that past performance is often much more tempting than the actual. There is a tendency to project it forward.

            Ellis is guilty on both counts. One could say that she is trapped in the USNWT-YNT system where she is not obligated to use the NWSL. But that is just offering her an excuse to continue her dysfunctional behavior in regard to not utilizing the best players who are consistently in form regardless of their origins.

            Her emphasis on “Attack, Attack” as a cure all solution for every team and circumstance just demonstrates her lack of vision, creativity and adaptability. The defense needs to rehabilitated by getting players who are experienced in their roles and using them appropriately…particularly a DM!

          • #1Fan

            i sort of understand what you are saying, but i dont see a team that is Attack Attack Attack. We rarely strung 5 passes together in SBC and were not on the front foot much.

          • Reality

            I didn’t say that Ellis has realized this strategy in practice. Her implementation of it by using Lloyd as a centerpiece of the attack with all the adjustments made to accommodate that only serve to undermine her efforts.

          • #1Fan

            Understood. Ty for clarification.

          • DNG

            Not just Lloyd but the shape probably played a big role as well. Also, Lynn Williams really was not very good at all outside of some good turns in the Germany game. I think those teams exposed her limitations.

          • Reality

            Keeping a disciplined shape is undoubtedly challenging what with Lloyd wandering around the pitch in search of scoring opportunities. I was surprised that Williams did not produce more in the SBC. But let’s give her the benefit of the doubt since she is still young in experience at this level of competition…not to mention the obstacles posed by Ellis in her “intriguing” strategies for this tournament.

          • DNG

            Lloyd is a personnel problem that has a big impact on how the team plays. The reason they weren’t able to compensate like they have been able to in the past has to do with how the shape makes things a lot more difficult for the wide players. I wasn’t surprised by Williams. She might be more raw than Leroux. I don’t think we should give her the benefit of the doubt at all. I think she should have to prove she’s ready to play against the top teams.

          • Reality

            It is a capricious world in the NT under Ellis unless you are Lloyd, Morgan, Sauerbrunn or Long all of whom have gained preferential favor. The rest of the team is a rotating lineup of positions based upon whatever criteria it is that Ellis employs. The problem is that not only do we not know these criteria but I suspect neither does Ellis since she seems to make random decisions based on ephemeral events. This has led to players not being utilized appropriately or playing sporadically or not playing at all. As has been said by more than one commentator, it must be quite demoralizing.

          • DNG

            I am going to defend Long. She’s not by any means one of the chosen ones. She had to work very had through a lot of rejection to get another chances with Ellis and even if I think she’s a horrible CB, she deserves to be in the discussion for the team’s best CM since she was invited back to the NT. Maybe not really a DM but a very solid central midfielder. I think she’s been made a scapegoat by a lot of people. She’s not the problem.

            Lloyd, Morgan and Sauerbrunn do seem to have earned a veteran status where they will never run out of second chances. I think it’s ridiculous that no one seems to want to call a spade a spade with regards to Lloyd’s recent play. It’s simply not up to standard.

          • Reality

            I think that Long has demonstrated admirable perseverance in her journey to the NT and has shown real skills in her passing, penetration and goal scoring. However, Ellis, in her efforts to keep Lloyd on the pitch for 90″ in every game, has caused a game of musical chairs to take place with the rest of the team. Long is an obvious candidate to play in the midfield, but with Lloyd there, Long has not been benched or used as a sub but rather has been designated as a CB. This is not her métier, but Ellis has favored her for this role because…

          • DNG

            Let’s wait and see what changes this week and if they stick with the same formation and the same personnel. If nothing changes that is a real serious problem.

          • Reality

            I can hardly wait to see what the chapter will reveal 🙂

          • mockmook

            “métier”

            Oh-la-la… 🙂

          • Reality

            I had 5 years of French starting in the 8th grade. Occasionally, I get this irresistible impulse to employ a few choice words.

          • mockmook

            I wonder if “we” (and JE) are missing the boat.

            How about trying Long in a Wambachian role?

            (Leave the CM-ing to those with the quicker feet, who make the sharper cuts, and pass as well or better)

          • DNG

            I do think that the central midfield is missing someone who can dribble. Lavelle might be able to fill that role though.

          • Reality

            What facet of the Wambachian playbook are you referring to?

          • mockmook

            Target forward.

            Can hold the ball, strong, good passer, has a good shot, pretty good in traffic, decent header.

          • Reality

            I’d like to think that we have progressed beyond playing target forward offense. Besides Allie Long is no Abby Wambach.

          • mockmook

            There’s nothing wrong with playing target forward offense — and, it can be used in conjunction with any other style.

            You don’t have to exclude “beautiful” soccer when you use a target forward.

          • Reality

            It can certainly can be an element in an offense. But it should not be the sum total as it has in the past with the NT. That would not work nowadays.

          • HOFCToDi

            You don’t have a clue what you are talking about.

          • DNG

            Ellis seems to believe that the way to score more goals is to place as many goal scores on the field as possible regardless of how else they affect the match. It’s going to be very difficult to score against good teams if the front three can’t string 3 passes between each other. The formation was a problem too considering the issues moving the ball through the center. Ellis ended up isolating our best ball carriers out wide in the hopes that they would just make something happen.

          • HOFCToDi

            Four forwards were allocated during the 2016 calendar year:

            en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NWSL_Player_Allocation#2016

            Leroux
            Morgan
            Press
            Rodriguez

            Lynn Williams has most likely exceeded the maximum number of floater days, thus will be allocated per the current CBA. The USSF is not a bottomless pit.

          • Steglitz49

            ARod and Syd are coming back after having babies, a great PR-angle for WoSo. Time will tell how long they stay allocated. Probably not longer than required.

          • #1Fan

            I’ve explained my thought process. The problem I have with yours is that its not practical for Ellis to be the evaluator. We have a whole YNT structure in place that in theory has been evaluating all 3 of them for a long time. What changed? Are we now saying that the only evaluator that counts is Ellis?

            My point is you are going down a very dangerous path when you are continually calling kids in to the Full Nt picture UNLESS those kids are phenomenal talents already.

            These are squads that many College and pro players have aspired to for years. If the route to them is shining in closed door scrimmages and Youth team games, then fair enough, but I can’t help but believe thats not right or sensible.

            We watched all 3 of these players play in the WC and I still dont see how we have just brushed that under the carpet as being irrelevant. The WC told me that all those players involved need seasoning, not Full NT caps Smith, to be fair, was not really exposed at the WC because she was used as an impact sub, but IF BJ snow saw Kuhlmann and Tagliaferri as better options, are we really saying that 2 intl trips changed that viewpoint for the USSF? I saw the goals she scored in Europe and whilst its impressive to score goals, I personally dont see what she brings that we dont already have at Full NT level.

            As far as Pinto is concerned, what are we saying about her? I wonder how she is taking it? I wonder what impact this has had on Sanchez? She would have been the obvious one to replace Heath.

            As far as missing out on much, I think school is important. So they are missing out on something. I personally think the USSF approach to education for College and HS kids is troubling. It suggests no respect for it at all. Red shirting and missing huge numbers of school days for a sport with a very narrow professional path. it irresponsible of them not to at least consider it.

          • Calci0

            I don’t know that she is the sole evaluator…. I don’t think many people truly know how roster selections are made (I’m not claiming to be one either). But just like you speculate Ellis is the sole evaluator, I think she probably talks with alot of her assistants before making a move. So in that aspect, she isn’t making a choice just off of her logic.

            I think too much is being made out of a player getting an opportunity to train with the Senior team. No one has said anything has drastically changed in a players evaluation. But to me if I’m a coach, and I have a few days left of a camp, and I have a player that has been at the top of their game in multiple tournaments, I’d like to see how well they can perform against stiffer competition. With the odds being that a player new to camp has a very long shot at making the game day roster. I could understand the uproar for Smith if she had been invited to the camp at the onset, but again, I think Ellis decided to use the open spots to gauge how well in form Smith truly is, and how she stacks up to senior team defense.

            Ellis has brought many players that earned their way onto the team via NWSL play, so the narrative, that youth players are taking over seems a bit much. Most of the players invited to the camp from the beginning are College and pro players.

            As for school, that’s a whole different matter. But I know student athletes, in highschool and college miss out on alot of school, and it’s not just a USWNT issue.

          • DNG

            Whether or not she’s the sole evaluator the buck ultimately stops with her. So for the purposes of our discussion I’m not sure how much that matters. Why Smith over Jordan if Ellis is bringing in another forward? Why Howell over a Davidson who has by many accounts had an excellent year for Stanford? When I see one of the U17’s getting called up that’s one thing. 3 in the span of a couple months is a pattern.

          • Calci0

            If by Jordan you mean Savannah Jordan… Again, this was short notice. Jordan is in Scotland. I don’t claim to know all the ins and outs of the USWNT, but it seems like unless they give out a press release for every decision, each move will be critiqued. Howell instead of Davidson?!? I don’t know, I highly doubt anyone here knows Davidson’s availability….. *Maybe* she wasn’t available, but for some reason it’s just taken as a automatic slight to her because she wasn’t picked. Again 2 recently due to multiple circumstances to me is not a pattern.

          • DNG

            It’s an international break. Jordan should be available. Davidson probably needs to go back to school but how is that any different from Smith who is now probably missing another week plus of school. My point is that there are lost of other option besides the players they chose.

          • Calci0

            Sure there are lots of other options. And many of them will get their chance while Howell and Smith may be left at home. Again Jordan being on international break, and being stateside on short notice are two different things, especially just for one week. Logistically it just makes sense to call in Smith. And I don’t know what situation was setup for Smith to miss High School, for me though it was alot easier to miss time from Highschool vs college. So maybe that’s why Davidson is going back?!? But the critiquing that goes on without us knowing all the information just seems like a negative agenda against Ellis. I’ve already stated, I wouldn’t make many of the same decisions Ellis has, but I’m not going to knock and criticize seemly every move she makes.

    • Bruce

      I was certain you just made that up to troll #1Fan until I clicked.

      • #1Fan

        hahahahaha. I want to clarify that they are all good players. I just dont see what is groundbreaking about them.

        • Bruce

          For a team whose primary challenge continues to be finding midfielders, the fact that JE has declined to call in even one professional player given THREE chances is just disheartening.

          If we go by the evidence, JE thinks that either (a) the midfield isn’t a problem and/or (b) there isn’t one player in the US who will be over 18 by next WC worthy of consideration.

          No plan.

          • Reality

            Ellis had a mandated agenda when she first came on board to go through the 2015-2016 WC-OG cycle with the old guard veterans and play the type of game that best suited them. Now that many of these elders have departed through retirement, injury or temporarily seeking glory abroad, Ellis has no clue as to how to proceed in actually building a team. She appears to be just throwing up “stuff” against the wall to see what will stick. This is just terrible for it undermines not only the trust and confidence of the individual players but also the team as a whole. And forget it if you are an aspiring Youth player looking to advance.

          • HOFCToDi

            Jill Ellis has capped more central midfielders since the conclusion of the 2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup than centerbacks:

            Central Midfielders
            Horan, Lindsey
            Lavelle, Rose
            Mewis, Samantha
            Sullivan, Andi

            Centerbacks
            Dahlkemper, Abby
            Sonnett, Emily

        • guest

          Why don’t you just admit your agenda? Your kid is trying to break onto one of the national teams, correct? So you are necessarily going to discount the young women that make it at the expense of your own daughter

          • rkmid71

            Agenda? Someone needs to explain how failing miserably on age at U17WC (results and performance) translates into “making it”. That has nothing to do with #1Fan.

          • guest

            the team failed miserably. I could say Christen Press failed miserably in the last tournaments, but I would get angry replies from those who say that soccer is a team game.

          • DNG

            The USWNT did not fail to get out of their group and lol Press hardly played at all in any of the last two tournaments.

          • guest

            omg LOL DNG, she played 90 against their easiest OG opponent and many minutes in the SBC. lol!

          • DNG

            How many minutes did she play in the knockout rounds when you know they “failed”

          • guest

            not that many but she hadn’t made her case to play those minutes either given her COL performance. Then she screwed up her minutes in the qf and her PK. how many chances does someone get? She has received many over the years.

          • DNG

            She could have scored a hat-trick against Colombia and I doubt it would have made a difference in the starting XI. AM missed an equally important PK too if I remember correctly. PSO are a coin flip anyway. They should have won the game before it even got to them.

          • guest

            she could have scored a hat trick but obviously didn’t. The person you love to hate on, Dunn, scored the lone goal.

          • guest

            oh and Pugh lmao i forgot … #1 fan must have been fuming

          • DNG

            Where do you get the impression that #1Fan doesn’t like Pugh? Why would he be mad that she scored? You’re not making any sense.

          • Reality

            Unfortunately, many of the so-called “guests” are trolls whose tweet like posts are designed to provoke and gain attention. It is a waste of time to try to have a rational conversation with them. If they had any integrity, they would register so they could take responsibility for their inane posts.

          • Steglitz49

            Some guests are more on the money than other guests.

            #1Fan blocks those that disagree with him. Maybe these disagrees go in as guest to get under his radar?

          • #1Fan

            ha yes. its like you can only have a shallow conversations where you love a player or hate them . You cant say i like Pugh, but …or I dont rate Morgan, but she does xyz very well …

          • DNG

            I don’t hate Dunn at all. I don’t know where you got that impression. I just prefer her as an OB or a WB

          • Steglitz49

            Where does Crystal play for Chelsea Ladies?

          • HOFCToDi

            Christen Press was even worse at the 2016 Summer Olympic Games than the 2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup:

            Christen Press
            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
            Goals 1, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 7, Shots on Goal 2
            Penalty Kicks Attempted 0, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

            Christen Press
            2016 Summer Olympic Games
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 6, Shots on Goal 1
            Penalty Kicks Attempted 1, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

          • Steglitz49

            Failing to win with that inept but biased ref crew is quite an achievement.

          • HOFCToDi

            Christen Press is an international fraud.

          • DNG

            I’ll answer it for you 20 minutes in a 120 minute game but yeah it’s Press’ fault they didn’t advance.

          • HOFCToDi

            The statute of limitations for Christen Press excuses expired on 12/31/2016.

          • DNG

            And SBC is not a major tournament. It is a glorified group of friendlies.

          • guest

            it’s also the only time they play good opponents other than the 2 major tournaments every 4 years. bad argument.

          • DNG

            I must have missed the team playing an experimental 3-5-2 in those previous tournaments.

          • HOFCToDi

            Same old story:

            Christen Press
            2017 SheBelieves Cup
            Goals 0, Assists 0

            Christen Press
            2016 Summer Olympic Games
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 6, Shots on Goal 1
            Penalty Kicks Attempted 1, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

            Christen Press
            2016 SheBelieves Cup
            Goals 0, Assists 0

            Christen Press
            2016 CONCACAF Women’s Olympic Qualifying
            Knockout Stage
            Goals 0, Assists 0

          • kernel_thai

            It is a TEAM game and no one from that team should have been called into an NT camp based on that performance. IMO it’s a horrible precedent and sets individual play above team play.

          • HOFCToDi

            Sunil Gulati needs to inform Jill Ellis of the facts:

            2016 SheBelieves Cup
            Record: 3W – 0L – 0T
            Tactical Formation: 4-2-3-1
            Goals Scored: 4
            Goals Allowed: 1

            2017 SheBelieves Cup
            Record: 1W – 2L – 0T
            Tactical Formation: 3-5-2
            Goals Scored: 1
            Goals Allowed: 4

          • Steglitz49

            Gulati’s primary and only agenda is to sort out the MNT because that is where the real money is.

          • rkmid71

            He already did that. Bruce Arena is in charge and doing as well as can be expected. And you can tell he has the players respect and they are playing hard for him.

          • HOFCToDi

            JE’s freshly minted new pet has become bullet proof:

            Allie Long

          • rkmid71

            You just ruined my weekend.

          • HOFCToDi

            USSF steps towards rehabilitation:

            1. Fire Jill Ellis, Michelle French, B. J. Snow
            2. Boot Allie Long
            2. Revert to four back formation
            3. Resolve #6 position (Sullivan, Davidson)

            http://www.ussoccer.com/players/2014/03/15/05/00/andi-sullivan#tab-1

            http://www.ussoccer.com/players/2014/10/10/15/51/tierna-davidson#tab-1

          • HOFCToDi

            It’s all about the head coach:

            Luiz Felipe Scolari resigned (in disgrace by the way)
            Carlos Caetano Bledorn Verri (Dunga) sacked
            Adenor Leonardo Bacchi (Tite)

          • rkmid71

            You could say ALL those PLAYERS (not just Press) who made up the team failed miserably the last two tournaments, most importantly the OG2016. And were poor losers to boot, at least in OG. But I would not be looking to replace them with other PLAYERS from a team that also failed miserably, not least high schoolers from our youngest YNT playing on age. What the hell are we doing?

          • HOFCToDi

            Preparing for the inevitable lockout or inevitable strike.

          • Steglitz49

            That is the USWNT Hockey, not WoSo, who dares to strike just before a WC! Gumption. The Veterans had too much too lose.

          • rkmid71

            They might do it now though, with much less to lose in the near future. Or the USSF may simply lockout as a means to move things forward … if neither side is budging and there’s no light at the end of the tunnel to a new agreement. The Veterans seem ok to carry on under the existing, effectively extended CBA on a month to month basis. I would think we could find enough NWSL, college and YNT players who would play.

          • HOFCToDi

            The Swedish troll needs to worry about his own backyard:

            FC Rosengård sucks
            Damallsvenskan sucks
            Sweden sucks

            en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Algarve_Cup#Final_standings

            Tom Sermanni was sacked for a 7th place finish.

          • Steglitz49

            Remember the Glorious 12th, a date that will live forever in WoSo history.

          • DNG

            USSF will have to lock them out sooner or later. They can’t let the USWNT carry on until right before the next WC or qualifiers and able to strike. I think they would have already though if they didn’t think negotiations were going anywhere.

          • mockmook

            “The Veterans seem ok to carry on under the existing, effectively extended CBA on a month to month basis.”

            And, yet, this is the CBA that they were telling us is outrageous and sexist and unfair and unclean and un-American and un-un…

          • Steglitz49

            It won’t matter till 2019. OK maybe late 2018. The USWNT will always be competitive.

            Maybe the USSF is giving up the unequal fight against UEFA and the FA?

            Alex, Carli and HAO put their shoulders loyally to the NWSL wheel in 2013 and did not swan off to Lyon and PSG as other players did. Now they are creaming it in abroad, with Crystal joining their number. Savannah probably earns a fraction of what those musketeers pull in.

          • DNG

            SBC are friendlies and all the teams treated them as such with all the changes made to the rosters from game to game. OG2016 might have been a failure but at some point, if it isn’t already, it’s going to be urealistic to expect the USWNT to win or even make the finals of every major tournament. And how about we put some of the responsibility on the coaching staff who seem to have as little accountability as some of the aging veterans.

          • Steglitz49

            Stop making excuses for the OG-16 failure.

            Even with an ignorant but biased ref crew they could not handle a team that had suffered its worst defeat ever a couple of days before.

          • HOFCToDi

            Trying to keep up with the Joneses up north.

            en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada_women%27s_national_soccer_team#Current_squad

          • HOFCToDi

            Next stop:

            Tomato can status

            Jill Ellis has completely lost her mind.

          • HOFCToDi

            Russia sucks.

            http://www.fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/associations/association=rus/women/index.html

            Might as well send out the kiddie corps.

          • #1Fan

            what I find most sad about dialogue. is that no one ever believes that you can had an objective view. they always think you must be trying to promote a selfish agenda.

            it makes it very difficult to actually have meaningful dialogue sharing real opinions.

          • DNG

            I think there are plenty who see your views as mostly objective. I personally can’t be completely objective with all of my comments but I try to be.

          • #1Fan

            I wonder how Savannah Jordan would do ?

          • rkmid71

            Unfortunately, that’s standard protocol when there is no response to the substance. Attack the character, motive of a person.

          • Steglitz49

            It is difficult to be objective. Few are. Just look at the way Figure Skating championships have been judged and judging evolved since the debacle in Salt Lake City to try to minimise and preferably eliminate the subjective.

            Granted, when a superior star like Evgenia Medyedeva steps on the ice, you don’t need judges. The two Canadian lasses were pretty outstanding too.

          • kernel_thai

            If this was the agenda then #1Fan would support Ellis and a policy that seems to suddenly be anyone is good enough to get called into a camp on a given day.

          • #1Fan

            FOR THE RECORD

            my child does not play at the level these kids are. SHe is not as good and does not deserve to be anywhere NEAR the teams they are.

            She has a lot of work to do to be considered of the standard to represent the USA.

            Is that clear enough?

          • guest

            ok. That is an interesting clarification. I have read your posts over time and I thought your kid was trying to break onto the us teams. I understand being defensive as a parent. I think you are a bit cynical and negative. Just my anonymous internet opinion.

          • #1Fan

            You are entitled to your opinion. I think I am cynical of the USSF system. I believe rightly so. Ask Ashley Sanchez if she is a bit cynical now as well . I bet she is.

            iI is interesting that you call it a clarification. Your original assertion is wrong. Telling that you dont have the class to retract it and make it a a guest.

            am in no way being defensive . Quite the opposite. You see, much as I love soccer, I think I am pretty realistic.

            I think internet message boards will paint most people as cynics or optimists becasue its usually the relatively extreme opinions that foster though provoking discussion.

            I will rad most PoVs , but consistent insults and rudeness I cant stand.

          • Are you saying Ashley Sanchez is falling out of “Next best thing” type favor and hype?

          • #1Fan

            I am saying that she has been forced to face a new reality. It must be hard to hear all the accolades from everyone and NOT let some of it sink in. Even harder to then see other kids who no one ever considered in your league get Full NT callups to real games ahead of you. I wonder how well she is handling it.

            Pinto is now in the same boat. I wonder how well she is handling the Howell call up.

            Its ironic that the non allocated players seem to face hurdles and challenges that the allocated ones do not.

          • guest

            I am pretty sure i know who you are and your child and am impressed by both of you. I appreciate your commentary. Frankly i agree with most of it. I prefer to hope that someone will come in who values a midfield maestro fun to watch kid or two to add spice and uncertainty to the attack. I also think we need the athletes up top, and the newer ones seem to have more depth than the older ones. I agree Sanchez must be disappointed having been overlooked for Smith. But I would have favored McKaskill or Jordan. I don’t agree with putting these kids forward like this. I hope they aren’t runing them for the future.

          • Bruce

            How about registering and making yourself accountable for what you post?

          • HOFCToDi

            His agenda is stupidity.

      • kernel_thai

        OK, let’s say Ellis doesn’t want to take any more NWSL players away from their teams before the start of the season (i.e. throw out purpose of league and FIFA window)…what about McCaskell? She isn’t tied up in the league and at least for me has shown as well as Smith against the pros and on the Eurotrip. She is also has college experience and is much farther down the development road physically than Smith. Wouldn’t she have been a more logical choice for some meaningless friendlies against Russia?

  • newsouth

    Heath can Johnny Mac have a certain which isn’t always functional in games.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0WMd0Y6hIw

  • Bruce
    • DNG

      I really want to see VDB and DC in NT camp but neither would have been a replacement for Heath. I’m really liking all these graphics though.

      • guest

        colaprico has been given many chances in camp over the years. she clearly doesn’t impress. VDB… I guess I’m indifferent. I didn’t find either of them to be difference makers for the Red Stars when necessary.

        • DNG

          She has not gotten a single CAP. How do you suppose she was suppose to impress. Camp? She hasn’t exactly been a regular in those either.

          • rkmid71

            NWSL Rookie of the Year. Wasn’t she competing against USWNT players in the NWSL? I’ll withhold judgement until we see her capped with some meaningful time. And what about Killion, DiBernardo, etc. The least impressive was the players in SBC and the last OG. And those YNT players in the U17 and U20 WC. Camp?

          • kernel_thai

            And who has Howell impressed not named Snow?

          • HOFCToDi

            As for JE’s freshly minted pet Allie Long:

            overhyped
            overpaid
            overrated

            A defensive disaster just waiting to happen …… oh wait, it already has.

          • Guest

            Also wouldn’t mind Laddish seeing some time

          • guest

            She’s been in training camps since she was in college. She’s been evaluated plenty. I don’t agree with much of what Ellis does, but you can’t claim she hasn’t had an opportunity

          • DNG

            This idea that camps are where you show your worth as a player might makes sense if the NWSL didn’t exist. Since it does and she is easily one of the best CMs in the league where where she plays with the NT players(some of which do not always perform there) I’m not buying Colaprico not performing in Camp. Can you explain to me how Rapinoe proved herself in Camp to make it to the Olympic roster. It seems to me that Camp performance only applies to those trying to break into the team and it complete BS. Put her in a match and see how she performs. And I don’t think she’s been invited to too many full team camps. I believe her first call up was after the WC and she only got called to one or two last year with no match time.

          • guest

            um, duh. That’s the way the team works. Rapinoe is a contracted tenured player. Colaprico needs to unseat current contracted players… namely Morgan Brian and Sam Mewis

          • DNG

            It’s the way the USWNT works not even close to the way most NTs work and it’s completely unfair to those who are not anointed as the next big thing.

          • guest

            of course. which is the big complaint some have against the NT, and on the other hand, some say that the only reason they have been successful is because players know they can rely on the income for years to come.

          • HOFCToDi

            The player allocation system is obsolete.

            #PaytoPlay

          • Bruce

            Re: Colaprico, this reported today by John Halloran.

            https://twitter.com/JohnDHalloran/status/847928002310791169

          • DNG

            Yeah. That is really sad to me.

            Fitzcamel gave what he understood to be the MOU rules for inviting professional players without a contract in a reply to this tweet.

            https://twitter.com/JohnDHalloran/status/847932342920515585

          • Bruce

            I’m pretty sure that a journalist doesn’t need a FISA warrant or a mole in the NSC to get access to the one paragraph where the that rule is actually written.

          • DNG

            And what’s the excuse for Dibernardo?

          • guest

            She’s not better or, really, as sponsored as the chosen ones? Namely Lloyd and now Lavelle? And Moe Brian?

          • DNG

            I’d argue that both Colaprico and Dibernardo had better NWSL years than Brian. Regardless there should be space for 3-4 CM’s in any roster.

          • guest

            There’s only room for 23 (?) contracted players. The USWNT is a highly paid club team. It’s hard to get in, and you need to really screw up to get out.

          • DNG

            Were not talking about giving either a contract right now we are talking about inviting them to camp and giving them a real chance by caping them. They still have not used up their camp days before a contract must be offered and both should be in the 8 non contract player fringe pool

          • guest

            I haven’t kept track of their call up numbers, but if that is the case I agree it is a real shame they can’t get a cap. I think USSoccer wants to call up kids they don’t have to pay for awhile. Always follow the money.

          • DNG

            It resets every year neither have been called up this year and Dibernardo has not been called up at all which is nuts to me because central midfield is where this team has the least depth.

          • guest

            the solution is simple. drop the unproductive rapinoe and add dibernardo.

          • HOFCToDi

            Jill Ellis has her chosen central midfielders, for now anyway:

            Brian, Morgan
            Horan, Lindsey
            Lavelle, Rose
            Mewis, Samantha

            Allie Long screwed up royally, yet was recalled.

          • HOFCToDi

            Allie Long ………………………………………………………..

            http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-xx0AopECie8/UW9Q-JLY46I/AAAAAAAAAhw/Ti_ST53dPqY/s1600/Dumpster-Fire.jpg

          • Bruce

            “Regardless there should be space for 3-4 CM’s in any roster.”

            Amen.

          • Bruce

            If you want a midfielder who plays on both sides of the ball, yes. None of the players you named has a real presence when not on the ball.

          • Anson
        • HOFCToDi

          Andi Sullivan is the future.

          Chris’ 2018 NWSL Draft Big Board Top 50 – Sullivan Still #1

          http://www.allwhitekit.com/?p=14973

          1. Andi Sullivan – MF (DMC), D (CB) – Stanford

          • Steglitz49

            Her ACL injury might still put paid to her dreams.

          • guest

            what a crazy untimely ACL injury she had. She was the next big thing during her first games, probably a lock for the ill fated SheBelieves games… then goes back to Stanford and tears her ACL. Really unfortunate.

          • sunil

            JE would have stuck her at center back if she hadn’t gotten injured. Ellis actually said that she wanted Andi to play there. Perhaps it’s a blessing in disguise

          • mockmook

            Right, who wouldn’t rather be injured than play a slightly different position?

          • HOFCToDi

            If Ali Krieger can return from a torn ACL/MCL, then Andi Sullivan can return from a torn ACL.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1Hw4D-XuHo

          • Steglitz49

            Not everyone returns from their injuries. Kim Kulig didn’t from her ACL-tear and she is not the only one.

          • Anson

            Crappy List! Didn’t do his homework! Many players better than the ones listed. I guess it will be Penn State vs Duke in the Finals of the 2017 NCAA according to Allwhitekit…..Geeeez!

          • mockmook

            Really, PSU vs Duke is that inconceivable?

        • Guest

          DiBernardo had like 8 assists last season

  • guest

    Promote Savannah Mccaskill to the full camp. I am always impressed with her play.

    • guest

      She’ll probably be one of the first forward draft picks next season if she decides to enter and not pull an S.Jordan

      • Stegpitz49

        Perhaps the name Savannah is Mud with USSoccer.

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  • #1Fan
  • guest

    Could it be that Jill is calling up the kids because… she doesn’t have to pay them? Or worry about too many call ups for pro players like Colaprico such that it will trigger some need to contract them? Not sure how that works based on the cba.

    • Bruce

      Woso journalist have been so vague on this issue that all we have is speculation.

      There are multiple reports today from major outlets referring an Ellis comment from last fall of having “some limitations based on professional player call ups”, but no one has done the work to see what the actual rules are.

  • Guest

    http://s.oregonlive.com/K1M7u0Q

    Updates on Heath/Horan. This seems less promising than what was previously said, unless I’m reading it wrong. A few days ago it was reported that Heath’s injury was short term and nothing to worry about, now this is saying they hope it’s short term.

    Hopefully they’ll both be ready for the opener.

    • Bruce

      Well researched and insightful article. I wish the rest of the clubs had a beat reporter that could do the same.

      I wonder if it is correct to start worrying about Dagny Brynjarsdottir’s season at this point. IIRC, she reported the recurrence of a fairly severe back injury in January, and seems to have returned to action way too soon.

      • DNG

        She will likely be out for a significant portion of the season. Probably not too big a deal unless Horan and Heath miss significant time too.

        • Guest

          I’m thinking they’re just being overly cautious with Heath/Horan. They both were pulled out of camp pretty late, so I’m assuming that means they were close to being ready.

  • guest

    The S. Smith call up is so random that I think it must be a PR stunt, but what’s the message? There must be a thousand players in this country with the same skill set and abilities, but somehow this girl was in the right place at the right time and got the nod. At her young age it’s tough to say how she’ll develop, let alone whether she’ll be on the NT in 10 years. They could have picked someone with more maturity and experience, someone on a set course in life, you know, like a professional player, but they chose to gamble on somebody’s future instead. And forget about learning the game at a top school, or honing your skills in a professional league, all that doesn’t matter anymore. The coaches have made their decision, but why this one? Didn’t US Soccer recently get into the business of running soccer academies? Well, what better way to advertise your academy than by saying, Give us your $occer player and we’ll make her a $tar?

  • Bobby

    Black and Red review of USWNT and Jill Ellis! Other options discussed!http://www.blackandredunited.com/uswnt/2017/3/9/14863856/uswnt-jill-ellis-shebelieves-cup-allie-long