Preseason roundup: Leroux, A-Rod score on returns

The Equalizer Staff March 20, 2017 362

In other weekend action, the Spirit and Pride both win in three-back setups and Kealia Ohai scores for the Dash

Sydney Leroux wasted little time getting on the scoresheet in her preseason bow. (Photo Copyright Patricia Giobetti for The Equalizer)

Sydney Leroux wasted little time getting on the scoresheet in her preseason bow. (Photo Copyright Patricia Giobetti for The Equalizer)

Sydney Leroux and Amy Rodriguez, both of whom missed all of 2016 for maternity leave, scored a goal apiece in FC Kansas City’s 7-0 preseason rout of the University of Missouri on Sunday. Leroux started and scored a 21st minute goal on an assist from Shea Groom. Rodriguez played the second half and scored on an assist from Jenn Hellstrom in the 78th minute before returning the favor to Hellstrom in the 89th.

The goals were the first in competition for Leroux since May 15, 2015 and for Rodriguez since October 1, 2015 when her goal lifted the Blues to the NWSL Championship. Rodriguez has been in the last two camps with the national team but was not rostered for the SheBelieves Cup. Leroux has yet to get back in with the national team but should be called in soon, possibly as early as the camp ahead of next month’s friendlies against Russia.

Leroux started on the right side of a three-front that was centered by Groom with Katie Bowen on the left. FC Kansas City coach Vlatko Andonovski used Desiree Scott as a lone holding midfielder with Lo’eau and Alexa Newfield as attacking midfielders. Among second half substitutes were Rodriguez and Hellstrom playing up top with Erika Tymrak.

Groom opened the scoring and Brittany Taylor added a pair before halftime. Bowen also scored for FC Kansas City.

Spirit, in 3-5-2, defeat Penn State

The new-look Spirit got their first taste of game action on Saturday against Penn State and knocked off the Nittany Lions, 3-0. Offseason acquisition Kristie Mewis scored twice and Katie Stengel added a penalty in the match played out over three 30-minute periods.

Katie Stengel working for possession against Penn State. (photo copyright EriMac Photo for The Equalizer)

Katie Stengel working for possession against Penn State. (photo copyright EriMac Photo for The Equalizer)

The Spirit spent the entire afternoon in a three-back with Whitney Church anchoring and a few different pairs of teammate on her flanks. Shelina Zadorsky and Estelle Johnson were outside Church for the first hour in what could be a glimpse into what head coach Jim Gabarra is thinking for the season.

Caitlin Buckley put together this useful review of the action for blackandredunited.com.

Pride rout Stetson in closed door match

The Orlando Pride put 9 goals on Stetson on Saturday, using a three-back formation to tear up their overwhelmed opponents. New acquisition Ali Krieger, currently battling for playing time in Jill Ellis’s new three-back system with the national team, made her first appearance in a Pride jersey and played the opening 45 minutes.

The Pride scored three times in the first half through Carol Rodrigue, Chioma Ubogagu, and Camila from the spot. Kristen Edmonds also hit a penalty which opened 2nd half scoring before Sarah Hagen, Tabitha Tindell, Toni Pressley, and Jasmyne Spencer got in on the fun. Spencer doubled up for a two-goal day. Christina Burkenroad notched three assists.

“You’ve got to be very careful to not get carried away with preseason games, but I was pleased with the tempo we played at,” Pride coach Tom Sermanni said. “I was pleased with the way we were able to mix up the teams and have good continuity between the players. And I was just generally pleased with how we went about doing our jobs on the field today.”

Ohai scores in Dash win

Kealia Ohai started preseason the way she ended last season—scoring goals. Ohai put the Dash ahead near halftime and trialist Amber Munerlyn scored in the second in a 2-0 win over Baylor. Rookie Nichelle Prince provided the final pass to Munerlyn.

  • htm222

    Can’t wait to watch these two again

  • Gary Diver

    In their prime, how did Sydney Leroux compare as a USWNT player with Alex Morgan?

    How good is Dom Dwyer. He recently became an American citizen. Is he eligible to play for UWMNT?

    • #1Fan

      i think very similar players.

      • newsouth

        no morgan fan but sydney has iron feet at the international level and runs like t-rex. i think the hype carried over from the U system. it happens in american sports. just look at reggie bush.

        • #1Fan

          i think they are similarly effective at NT level.

          • rkmid71

            I wish we would just focus on fixing the midfield and rebuild the defense first. All the press is always about the players that score. I don’t even care that much who they put at forward. The goals will come if the other parts are solid. We’ve got more than enough solid choices at the forward and AM positions.

          • #1Fan

            There seems to be very little demand for in depth coverage. Who scored is enough .

          • HOFCToDi

            There seems to be very little demand for YOUR opinion.

          • guest

            Yes. Very much agreed. Whoever scored most recently is everyone’s favorite player, and scoring seems to grant immunity to that player.

          • #1Fan

            which is why we have many players who dont combine well. its all an individual quest for glory – InstTwitBook fans and marketing $$. Passing is a lost and undervalued art. Off teh ball movement is hardly even noticed. Until a team loses and then ….

          • rkmid71

            They don’t even seem to care that much if they lose. Look at YNTs. Look at the USWNT in the WC for 16 yrs. Apparently they just need to win enough. That’s why any success like the OG was hyped. Or the home win streak. Etc. How can you have any semblance of a “team” without the passing. Passing is what creates cohesion. Individual sacrifice for the greater good. If selfishness, me first and narcissism continue to be rewarded, the USWNT will never be great. They can still win most of their games for all the reasons talked about on here for what seems like forever ($ resources, Title IX, large player pool, etc). That doesn’t make them great. The USWNT just seems like a collection of individuals, not a team. A club, not a NT. The money seems to corrupt the process of choosing the best team and the most complementary players. Led currently by at least one captain who is the most narcissistic player in USWNT history as far as I can tell. And that example just filters down to the YNTs.

          • HOFCToDi

            Leadership starts at the top. Under the stewardship of Sunil Gulati, US Soccer has been literally ridden into the ground both on the men’s side and women’s side.

          • HOFCToDi

            Defense wins championships.

            2016 SheBelieves Cup
            Tactical Formation: 4-2-3-1
            Goals Scored: 4
            Goals Allowed: 1

            2017 SheBelieves Cup
            Tactical Formation: 3-4-1-2
            Goals Scored: 1
            Goals Allowed: 4

          • HOFCToDi

            2016 SheBelieves Cup
            Tactical Formation: 4-2-3-1
            Goals Scored: 4
            Goals Allowed: 1

            2017 SheBelieves Cup
            Tactical Formation: 3-4-1-2
            Goals Scored: 1
            Goals Allowed: 4

          • Gary Diver

            I have always wondered about Sydney Leroux’s dedication, but I’ve heard Ellis likes her work ethic. Leroux was not at full health for a while before WC15 and due to her pregnancy she has been very quiet for the past two years.

            Leroux is still just under 27-years old and it will be interesting to see what her skill level and motivation look like when she gets called up to the national team and whether Ellis is eager to see her on the field.

            Time will tell, but I have a feeling that both Leroux and Morgan are on the back side of their best performances days and not sure either are needed for WC19.

          • #1Fan

            i dont know if back side or not. but I do know that they are both ” get in behind” type forwards. not ball to feet types. They will have success vs most teams the US play becasue they are still physically gifted , but they are not the future IF the USSF is serious about a passing and combination type game

            they have both built large social media follwings and are well compensated for what they do. Cant fault them for that

          • Gary Diver

            You’ve added some nice context to “the legend of Alex Morgan”.

            P.S. It is strange that the “Morgan legend” was partly created by the overtime header against Canada in OC12. How many other headers by Morgan can you remember? (I can’t remember any.) Also, her reputation/legend is primarily based on last-minute heroics, but aren’t these often the result of the opponents being worn out? The winning goal against France at 2016 SBC was definitely that situation.

          • #1Fan

            Who knows. I just think AM and most of the other forwards we produce are largely good at one thing. As other teams add enough depth to be able to take that “thing” away you are seeing the inability of certain players to adapt.

            I would expect AM to score goals in France vs the weaker teams. Nothing will be answered for me until she shows other dimensions to her play SL the same.

          • Guest

            Are you sure about that? A poster on anothe site recently compared Alex Morgan to Harry Kane and I must admit that make me lol.

          • #1Fan

            im sure about My opinion. Cant speak to someone elses. Hard to compare male / Female games as they are so different,, but AM is more Jamie Vardy traits than HKane.

          • Steglitz49

            Alex Morgan is up there with Messi, CR7 and Zlatan.

          • HOFCToDi

            No one cares about YOUR opinion.

          • Steglitz49

            Let’s wait and see what happens against the Shewolves.

          • HOFCToDi

            Your stupidity never ends.

          • Steglitz49

            The legend started with her right-footed goal against Italy in injury time in 2010.
            Alex’s coming out party was the WC-11 Final. You might be forgiven for thinking that the US won that world cup. I suspect Alex’s performance gave the US’s PR snow-machine something to work with.

            Alex’s marketing genius was her body paint stunt.

            She followed that up with her header. Then goals in 2013 at the Algarve Cup. Alex also put her shoulder to the wheel for the inaugural NWSL, unlike other players one might mention.

            As I typed elsewhere, Alex may well be more of a Charlotte Kalla than Marit Björgen but there is no harm in that.

          • HOFCToDi

            Calendar Year 2016
            FIFA Top 12 Ranked Opponents
            USWNT Goals Scored
            Morgan (DOB 02 Jul 1989) – 6
            Lloyd (DOB 16 Jul 1982) – 2
            Horan (DOB 26 May 1994) – 2
            Long (DOB 13 Aug 1987) – 1
            Heath (DOB 29 May 1988) – 1
            Johnston (DOB 06 Apr 1992) – 1
            Dunn (DOB 03 Jul 1992) – 1
            Mewis (DOB 09 Oct 1992) – 1

            By the way, Christen Press is not on the list.

            ussoccer.com/womens-national-team/lineups/2016-lineups

          • newsouth
          • HOFCToDi

            You lose, yet again. You are a LOSER!

          • HOFCToDi

            Oh really?

            USWNT 2013-2016
            FIFA Top 12 Ranked Opponents
            USWNT Goals Scored
            Morgan – 16 (too many to list)
            Lloyd – 11 (too many to list)
            Leroux – 7 (CAN, BRA x 2, CAN, JPN, CAN, FRA)
            Wambach – 5 (GER, AUS, BRA, PRK x 2)
            Rapinoe – 4 (GER, BRA, AUS x 2)
            Press – 3 (AUS, FRA, AUS)
            Holiday – 2 (AUS, JPN)
            Heath – 2 (JPN, CAN)
            Johnston – 2 (FRA, JPN)
            Dunn – 2 (BRA, ENG)
            Horan – 2 (CAN, JPN)

            Christen Press has yet to even catch up to Abby Wambach!

            http://media.moddb.com/images/groups/1/3/2933/ROFLMAO.png

          • HOFCToDi

            You don’t have a freakin’ clue what you are talking about.

            Alex Morgan is the only individual in the USWNT player pool that has scored a goal against Sweden in the last four years.

            ussoccer.com/stories/2016/08/12/19/37/160812-wnt-falls-to-sweden-4-3-in-penalty-shootout-after-1-1-draw-in-2016-olympic-quarterfinals

            ussoccer.com/womens-national-team/tournaments/2015-fifa-womens-world-cup/150612-wntvswe#tab-1

            ussoccer.com/womens-national-team/tournaments/2014-algarve-cup/140307-wnt-v-swe#tab-1

            ussoccer.com/stories/2014/03/17/13/10/wnt-wins-group-b-at-2013-algarve-cup-to-advance-to-final

            As a footnote, Alex Morgan was not available for the 2014 Algarve Cup. It’s no wonder the team fell apart.

          • HOFCToDi

            Pure gibberish.

          • Calci0

            Sermanni thought both fit well enough into his possession style of play.

          • #1Fan

            Did he tell you that? or do you arrive at that conclusion because he picked them ? By that argument you could say that Long is a CB and Lloyd fits the 352

          • Calci0

            You shared your “opinion” that they are not the future because you don’t deem them suitable for a passing combination type game. I feel I am no less entitled to my “opinion” based off Sermanni during his tenure selecting Leroux. Also Leroux was quite successful under Sermanni. You disagree, which is fine by me…..

          • #1Fan

            you said Sermanni thought. Not you thought. Big difference. Not sure where I said she was not successful?

          • Calci0

            I can already see that because you have you mind made up, there is no convincing you. But obviously he thought enough of her to continue to select her, and start her. https://youtu.be/7DwxSW3hmsM?t=1m31s I venture this will be dissected too, but the point is Sermanni must have thought she fit his plans or he would have moven onto the litany of other forwards in the USWNT system….. If you are waiting for the statement to come verbatim from his mouth, as the only way to validate my opinion, then we may as well move on…..

          • DNG

            She’s a solid player but your argument is loaded. Do you really think Sermanni is going to bad mouth Leroux in this or any other interview? Solid player does not mean that she’s a fit in a more progressive offense just to clarify.

          • Calci0

            So why continue to select her? And “To play against her is a real problem as a defender,” Sermanni added. “She’s just nonstop. She’s an amazing physical presence, she’s always in there looking to score goals, she holds the ball up well, she’s always involved in the game.” “She’s a bit like Didier Drogba,” U.S. head coach Tom Sermanni said after Leroux scored four times in the first half of a dominating 7-0 win over Mexico. Again, if for over a year someone does not fit your style, you move away from them. yet Sermanni gave her more time than she’d ever received before. He had many options to choose. I venture from your commentary that you would have gone with someone else. Yet it was his preference to continue to go with Leroux.

          • DNG

            I think there’s far more forcing players into what a coach want’s to do. I don’t think she holds up the ball that well by the way so I don’t agree with Sermanni. Even if Sermanni believed what he was saying it doesn’t make him right. I’ll point you in the direction of #1Fans comment above on Ellis/Long/Lloyd.

          • Calci0

            And that is fine that you have that opinion. I simply disagree with it just like you disagree with Ellis and her choices. I just chose to back my opinion with the words of the coach. If you give them little weight so be it.

          • #1Fan

            just like JE thinks Long and Lloyd do .

          • DNG

            I’m going to give JE the benefit of the doubt on Long. I understood the idea even if I thought France would expose her badly. If she learns from those games and we don’t see long at CB again there’s no problem there for me. Lloyd is another matter. I can only believe that Ellis feels some need to play her and keep giving her chances because she helped her win the WC. Or she is trying to show all the fans that Lloyd need to go by exposing her again and again.

          • #1Fan

            My point is simply that just because a coach puts a player isn role, it does not men they fit it .

          • DNG

            Fair enough.

          • Calci0

            So you disagree with her opinion on player selection. Fine. It’s still her opinion on who fits what she wants to do…… Agree with it or not. Just like Sermanni went with the players he “thought” fit what he wanted to do. I personally would play Long in a more attacking role if I were coach, as she excelled at that with Portland. But I’m not the coach, and I can just voice my opinion on this forum. But yes I would say Ellis thinks Long could make a good CB.

          • HOFCToDi

            Which is one of the main reasons Jill Ellis should be fired along with a three back defensive alignment. Allie Long is a defensive liability whether at centerback or central midfield.

          • Calci0

            The current admin seem to want to play similar to the way Sermanni wanted to play (formation is obviously different) possession, and build up play. Sermanni was on his way to installing that type of system along with trialing new players (which is what I think got him removed). My point was during this time frame he thought (I think this can be deduced from him continuing to select her) that she could fit what he wanted to do. So to me that is counter to the assumption that she no longer fits what the current admin say they want. You state all you did was read what I wrote and ask a question…. At least over the internet ” Did he tell you that? ” seemed a bit condescending, which is what continued this convo……

          • #1Fan

            I have no idea who you know or dont know. Thing is Im still to clear if its your opinion or you backing his. Either way, Im not going to argue.

          • Calci0

            I’m entitled to do both aren’t I?!? If I’m granted that, then yes it’s my opinion, and yes I’m backing his…

          • Steglitz49

            #1Fan can’t cope if you disagree with him, not least when you base your position on facts.

            His next step will be to block you.

          • HOFCToDi

            Sermanni was a moron. Kristie Mewis attempting to play left back was as bad as Allie Long attempting to play centerback.

          • Calci0

            Well maybe I misread you. What were you attempting to imply with the Long and Lloyd remark related to the 352?

          • HOFCToDi

            Jill Ellis should have been fired within 72 hours of the France result. Time for Gulati to find a new head coach who will implement either the 4-4-2 or 4-2-3-1 tactical formation.

          • guest

            Leroux is absurdly in shape, so I don’t know about questioning her dedication. At least before she had her kid, she had one of the most ripped torsos on the team. I agree she is probably not in the picture for 2019 though, her game is a bit one-dimensional.

          • FlyingSquirrel42

            She went through a lot to get herself into the U.S. player pool in the first place – it would be strange if she turned slacker after all that. She seems to be one of the team’s comedians off the field, but hopefully she can buckle down and be serious when necessary. I’m curious to see how she does at the club level now, since she only had an OK year in 2014 and has missed most or all of the last two NWSL seasons.

          • HOFCToDi

            No one cares what you think.

        • HOFCToDi

          You are a blithering idiot.

        • Calci0

          Yep, iron: https://youtu.be/_g3zstcHz5k?t=51m30s if you ignore the many times she has shown a soft/deft touch…….

      • HOFCToDi

        Don’t think, it weakens the team.

    • Steglitz49

      Nobody can take away from ARod that she has planned her career on and off the field to a T.

      25,000€/month answers your question, I guess.

      • newsouth

        french paying through the nose for another hype job american club player when that money could be used to develop their next generation of girls, so they can live up to expectations and win a darn world cup. but i guess overpaying morgan, heath and pinoe is a prime directive. clowns!.

        • Steglitz49

          Marseille just beat PSG 2-0 the other day.

          Galaxy tried to acquire Zlatan.

        • #1Fan

          that is not Aulsa job. At Clairefontaine i believe the FFF is doing a fine job developing players.

    • guest

      against top teams:
      Morgan>Leroux>Press

      • guest

        eta there was a reason why Press didn’t get call ups until Sermanni, even though certain posters that shall not be named thought she was better than those two.

        • HOFCToDi

          Christen Press is the most overhyped and most overrated player in USWNT history.

      • #1Fan

        the against top team argument is 100 pct reactive.

        • Gary Diver

          Here is a famous quote that I heard from former Buffalo Bills’s coach Marv Levy: “Once you’ve developed a reputation for being an early riser, you can sleep in till noon.”

          In both Morgan and Leroux (and more so with Leroux), their reputations were built on a limited number of “great years”. They are both around 27 and each has had 2-3 years of subpar play. “Reputation” is often the afterlife of “hype”.

          • Steglitz49

            The quotation is usually ascribed to Mark Twain.

            In Alex’s case the years are 2010, 2011, 2012 and 2013. In 2014 she was injured. In 2015 Alex played perfectly reasonably also in 2016.

            Thus, if you consider Marta to be WoSo’s answer to Marit maybe Alex is more like Charlotte.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcGVYAqbFk0

          • rkmid71

            “Be more concerned with your character than your reputation, because your character is what you really are, while your reputation is merely what others think you are.” ~ John Wooden

            Playing “reasonably” for 2 years after not so reasonably for one year (due to injury) is not a big endorsement. The USA has many players to choose from. Too many of these players seem to getting by on their “reputation”. Morgan though is among the least of the worries on the USWNT.

          • #1Fan

            I actually think she is right near the top. She would be the next inline for undroppable status and that to me is a big overarching issue for the entire team. Are the marketable players subject tot eh same performance standards as the rest/

          • DNG

            The answer to your last question so far is a resounding no. even if she was dropped from the starting lineup twice in the last three games, I have to believe that she will be given every opportunity to get back and cement herself there based on what has transpired with this team. That’s a problem when other deserving players can’t even get into a NT camp.

          • #1Fan

            and thats my point as to why i think she is a major issue facing this team.

          • rkmid71

            Marketable players? I think that’s red herring. New marketable players are made every day — as long as they have an opportunity to do something special on the field. Nobody really stepped up in OG16, the latest big opportunity. Remember Jordan Spieth. Under Armour seems quite pleased with him. I doubt Nike and others were too pleased Is Tiger Woods as marketable as he used to be? He hasn’t performed at a high level in a long time and it’s not clear whether he ever will. Nevertheless, Tiger will always be an all time great. Things change all the time.

          • #1Fan

            im no sexist, but I think you are being naive. Appearance plays a huge factor in marketing dollars available for women. If AM was not perceived as pleasant on the eye, she would earn a fraction of what she does OFF the field for EXACTLY the same scoring feats.

            New talents that fit that bill are NOT made every day.

            Lloyds marketability largely comes from a WC hattrick

          • DNG

            Lloyd is actually a pretty good example of this. The world cup final wasn’t the first time she has scored a big goal in a big game if we’re counting the Olympics. I wonder if people would see her the same if she had only scored one goal or even better no goals but was the best player on the field(highly unlikely I know) at the WC.

          • #1Fan

            how about Sauerbrunn. Not marketed at all really.

          • DNG

            To this day I cannot understand how a FIFA technical committee who watched the US play in the world cup came to the conclusion that JJ was a better overall defender than Sauerbrunn and named her to the Best XI of that tournament. Truly mind boggling. I’m not sure how many great years Becky has left to make a lasting impact though.

          • HOFCToDi

            A 34 year old centerback is not the future of the USWNT in calendar year 2019.

          • guest

            Combination of not flashy enough in her play (even if she’s better than JJ), not young enough, more reserved personality wise. I don’t think she cares about media exposure tbh. JJ got most of the headlines.

          • Steglitz49

            Carli in an evening dress is pretty good fare.

          • HOFCToDi

            Pure gibberish.

          • htm222

            A lot of young girls look up to lloyd for her clutchness and work ethic. With her it’s not really about looks, but grit and hard work. And she cleans up quite well even if she isn’t a natural stunner like some others.

          • HOFCToDi

            #1Fan has his head shoved so far up the arse of Christen Press that he can’t even see the light of day.

          • #1Fan

            i dont think she moved the needle at all until the WC hat trick.

          • HOFCToDi

            Marketable players?

            Compare the attendance between the 2017 SheBelieves Cup and the 2016 SheBelieves Cup. A couple of fan favorites were missing this year.

          • rkmid71

            16, 26, 22k in 2017 versus 13, 25, 13 in 2016. Total 64k vs. 51k, a 25% improvement in 2017. And that was with the sketchy weather in the north versus Florida and Nashville, And Solo and Rapinoe not there.

          • HOFCToDi

            Rapinoe and Solo were not there. Debunks the mythical marketable player theory.

          • HOFCToDi

            You have no point.

          • Steglitz49

            There is no reason why Alex Morgan could not revert to where she started: as a supersub!

            Ole Gunnar made his name as a supersub. His nickname was the “baby-faced assassin”. I am sure we can invent a suitable one for Mrs Carrasco too.

          • Steglitz49

            “What profits it a lady to … but for the WC?” –or words to that effect.

            When Gold-Lena declined to be folded out in Playboy, her ratings went through the roof. Instead, Magdalena made videos about knitting and felting for her sponsor.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHSyzXpGjS4
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQdyZDRqejc
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8wGoBvTXNs

            Two of the superstars of skishooting were both named Magdalena — and now there is Laura but her hobby is mountaineering but at least Tiril Eckoff knits or designs knitwear.

            At 24 Magdalena Neuner shocked the biathlon world by declaring that she could no longer motivate herself to carry on.

          • rkmid71

            Seems like a person of rare character, integrity. A champion that will settle for nothing less than her best. And that was in an individual sport. She could have carried on some lower level and it would have only affected herself. Team sports are another matter.

          • Steglitz49

            How many medals do you need to be happy? Will another one make a difference?

            In her final season Magdalena at the world championship won an individual gold and silver and a relay gold and mixed relay bronze, and also the overall world cup for that season.

            Likewise, Charlotte Kalla has won less races than Marit Björgen but some of Kalla’s wins have been spectacular and memorable, like her Tour de Ski and not least the relay gold in Sotchi:
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Aw40JoiyQA

          • rkmid71

            I love that announcer. Who’s got the guts, who’s got the belief, who’s got the momentum? It doesn’t get any better, especially since she did it for her relay team.

          • Steglitz49

            Indeed. Both Denise Herrmann and Krista Lähteenmäki (now Pärmäkoski) were top skiers at this distance. Kalla said afterwards that she did it for the others.

          • HOFCToDi

            Whoop Dee Doo!

            Katie Ledecky has accomplished more at the collegiate level and international level than Swedish trash.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjMSPpssC58

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAwCZelj1tQ

            She did it for her relay team.

          • Steglitz49

            Kindly withdraw your comment. In future, please moderate your language.

          • HOFCToDi

            2016–17 Alpine Skiing World Cup

            https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3f/Mikaela_Shiffrin_2012_cropped.jpg

            Guess who was the Women’s Overall Champion? I’ll give you a clue, it wasn’t Swedish trash.

            en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016%E2%80%9317_Alpine_Skiing_World_Cup

          • Steglitz49

            You miss the point as usual. Mikaela is the gretest talent to have emerged in Alpine skiing since Annemarie and Ingemar.

            Unfortunately, last season Mikaela got injured, which set her back a bit. She still has the chance of being considered the greatest of the greatest.

            Mikaela skies on the same skies as Annemarie — Atomic. Ingemar remained loyal to Elan. Maybe Mikaela too will open a bar/restaurant when she hangs up her skis?
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3HKfnhRT70
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_CaWn-nnnE
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcLBdbWNgMM

          • HOFCToDi

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xE7Wz4-r3t4

            I love the Aussie announcer. “She has been unbelievable at the Pan Pacs. We have seen the greatest of all time in action, We’re seeing the up-and-comer, the younger, the superstar of the pool …….”

          • Steglitz49

            Good grief! Reaching 3 years back into history. Knock me over with a feather.

            In 2014 the mega news was Charlotte Kalla’s final leg on the relay where she performed a miracle. Glory, laud and honor where honor is due!

          • HOFCToDi

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbY4whClHTU

            swimswam.com/katie-ledecky-not-nitpicky-video/

            swimswam.com/2017-w-ncaas-ledecky-wrecks-american-record-424-0-500-free/

          • HOFCToDi

            Whoop Dee Doo!

            Katie Ledecky has accomplished more at the collegiate level and international level than Swedish trash.

          • rkmid71

            Magdalena is German, but never mind. Kalla is a Swede. It’s quite hard for any athlete to be more accomplished than Ledecky even at this young age. But no harm in acknowledging great athletes from other countries. Like that Russian Greco Roman wrestler Aleksandr Karelin who finished his int’l career 887-2.

          • HOFCToDi

            I don’t give a damn. This is not an European website.

          • Steglitz49

            Olga Korbut, who made gymnastics glamorous and what it is today, might suit your means better.

            You do disdain Americans like Jessica Diggins, Caitlin Compton Gregg and Kikkan Randall.

            WoSo is verily a worldwide game. The final of OG-16 was between Germany and Sweden.

            In those Rio olympics 3 American female swimmers made waves and some would argue that the most significant of that trio was Simone Manuel — and she continues to hit the headlines:
            http://www.chron.com/sports/article/Simone-Manuel-helps-Stanford-claim-first-NCAA-11011994.php

            Madeline Dirado, also of Stanford, was the 3rd.

          • HOFCToDi

            No more hype posted than Christen Press.

          • HOFCToDi

            Both Leroux and Morgan underwent surgery after the 2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup. What’s the Christen Press excuse? She miss her scheduled lobotomy?

        • guest

          the numbers don’t lie. press is useless

          • #1Fan

            i think the numbers are meaningless. You score a goal in a game that some define as big and then you get this mythical credit but you dont get debits for NOT scoring in big games IF you have done it once. I would love to know what is considered a big game

            I dont buy the argument. Whatever goes in to defining who JE prefers, I dont think its the big game thing. I look at the chances taken relative to difficulty.

          • DNG

            There’s too much focus on goal scoring numbers and not enough on creating the plays that lead to chances and defending without the ball. The reason I think people like to talk about performance against the top ten teams though is because there seems to be a precipitous drop off in quality shortly after where teams start not even being able to complete. I agree that it does seem like one big performance seems to be able to carry a player through a lot.

          • Steglitz49

            I put it to you that the Top 10 is an arbitrary number.

            Australia is #6, Sweden #8, North-Korea #10, then you have Norway at #11, NL at #12, China at #13, Spain at #14 and Denmark at #15. Recent matches do not show that Australia is better than Sweden or that Sweden is better than Norway or Denmark, etc etc.

          • DNG

            It does appear to be expanding but you get my point. That’s why people do it, I’m not saying they are completely correct or incorrect.

          • Steglitz49

            Where is the US’s true rank? #9?

          • DNG

            I think they are probably the second best NT right now. Who knows where they’ll be in 4 years. I hope #1

          • Steglitz49

            They need to be #1 in 2019. In 2021 nothing happens for the USWNT.

          • DNG

            The other thing people don’t take into account is that it usually is not a even playing field when it comes to opportunities.

          • guest

            How many times does this need to be debunked? Our friend Lorehead used to put NYRick and Reality in hteir places when they would say that. It’s just not true but I’m not going to bother arguing with another press fan about it. Morgan has been out for extended periods of time due to injuries and Christen had many chances at forward

          • DNG

            Lol. This is not just about Press, it’s about every forward and position player in the pool. How many CAPs does Colaprico have?

          • #1Fan

            When objective soccer opinions turn to something else I’m not interested in getting sucked into the debate.

          • DNG

            This seems like sound advice but I think the guest poster got the message.

          • HOFCToDi

            YOU provide none whatsoever.

          • HOFCToDi

            USWNT 2013-2016
            FIFA Top 12 Ranked Opponents
            USWNT Goals Scored
            Morgan – 16 (too many to list)
            Lloyd – 11 (too many to list)
            Leroux – 7 (CAN, BRA x 2, CAN, JPN, CAN, FRA)
            Wambach – 5 (GER, AUS, BRA, PRK x 2)
            Rapinoe – 4 (GER, BRA, AUS x 2)
            Press – 3 (AUS, FRA, AUS)
            Holiday – 2 (AUS, JPN)
            Heath – 2 (JPN, CAN)
            Johnston – 2 (FRA, JPN)
            Dunn – 2 (BRA, ENG)
            Horan – 2 (CAN, JPN)

            Christen Press has yet to even catch up to Abby Wambach!

            http://media.moddb.com/images/groups/1/3/2933/ROFLMAO.png

          • HOFCToDi

            Calendar Year 2016
            FIFA Top 12 Ranked Opponents
            USWNT Goals Scored
            Morgan (DOB 02 Jul 1989) – 6
            Lloyd (DOB 16 Jul 1982) – 2
            Horan (DOB 26 May 1994) – 2
            Long (DOB 13 Aug 1987) – 1
            Heath (DOB 29 May 1988) – 1
            Johnston (DOB 06 Apr 1992) – 1
            Dunn (DOB 03 Jul 1992) – 1
            Mewis (DOB 09 Oct 1992) – 1

            By the way, Christen Press is not on the list.

            ussoccer.com/womens-national-team/lineups/2016-lineups

            http://media.moddb.com/images/groups/1/3/2933/ROFLMAO.png

          • Steglitz49

            One or three depending on how you count as in — ColAPrico.

          • guest

            Dunn is the one relevant to the conversation now, not Leroux – and Dunn also outperformed Press last year.

          • guest

            I’m a big fan of Dunn. I think she is a very gifted player who can literally play anywhere on the field and make a difference (except in goal lol) . but she gets shut out by tall, physical defenders when she plays centrally at forward without a complementary partner. She is great on the wing, and the thing I hate most about the 3 back is having her too far from the goal too much of the time.

          • DNG

            I like Dunn a lot too but she cannot play anywhere on the field. I would not feel comfortable putting her at central midfield or center back. She can play all of the flank positions and CF reasonably well but I think she’s best out wide.

          • Steglitz49

            At 5’1″ she is the same height as Mana Iwabuchi. The difference is that the average height of a Japanese lass is 5’2″ while for an American it is 5’4″ even 5’5″.

          • HOFCToDi

            The statute of limitations for Christen Press excuses expired on 12/31/2016.

          • HOFCToDi

            The statute of limitations for Christen Press excuses expired on 12/31/2016.

          • HOFCToDi

            Christen Press
            International Women’s Friendly
            25 Oct 2015
            USA 3 BRA 1
            Minutes Played 0

            foxsports.com/soccer/boxscore?id=24141

            Christen Press was BENCHED!

            Christen Press
            International Women’s Friendly
            21 Oct 2015
            USA 1 BRA 1
            Minutes Played 0

            foxsports.com/soccer/boxscore?id=24140

            Christen Press was BENCHED!

            Christen Press
            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
            05 Jul 2015
            USA 5 JPN 2
            Minutes Played 0

            resources.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/02/66/12/93/eng_52_0705_usa-jpn_fulltime.pdf

            Christen Press was BENCHED!

            Christen Press
            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
            30 Jun 2015
            USA 2 GER 0
            Minutes Played 0

            resources.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/02/65/52/49/eng_49_0630_usa-ger_fulltime.pdf

            Christen Press was BENCHED!

            Christen Press
            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
            16 Jun 2015
            USA 1 NGA 0
            Minutes Played 0

            resources.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/02/65/00/60/eng_31_0616_nga-usa_fulltime.pdf

            Christen Press was BENCHED!

            Nevermind Christen Press started eleven of the first twelve matches for the USWNT in calendar year 2015.

            ussoccer.com/womens-national-team/lineups/2015-lineups

            http://media.moddb.com/images/groups/1/3/2933/ROFLMAO.png

          • HOFCToDi

            Sunday, 21 Feb 2016
            TSG announces CWOQ Best XI, Awards

            concacaf.com/article/tsg-announces-cwoq-best-xi-awards

            ussoccer.com/~/media/images/wnt/gallery-images/2016/02/160221-wnt-v-can/photo-gallery/160221-wnt-vs-can-photo-gallery19.jpg?h=600&w=786&la=en&hash=BF5ABEEA5BE7034EF13FA4F320F9E7BB8E549331&amp

            By the way, Christen Press is not on the list.

          • HOFCToDi

            Friday, 11 Mar 2016
            Morgan, Solo and the USA Sweep Awards at 2016 SBC

            ussoccer.com/stories/2016/03/11/13/17/160311-wnt-morgan-solo-and-the-usa-sweep-awards-at-2016-shebelieves-cup

            ussoccer.com/~/media/images/wnt/gallery-images/2016/03/160309-wnt-v-ger/160309-wnt-vs-ger-gallery20.jpg?h=559&w=800&la=en&hash=B1A7B6E0C01C796F4C31CF422F0CC370A4D5CF89&amp

            By the way, Christen Press is not on the list.

          • Steglitz49

            Try March 2017 or why not the Glorious 12th, 2016?

          • HOFCToDi

            Christen Press
            2016 Summer Olympic Games
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 6, Shots on Goal 1
            Penalty Kicks Attempted 1, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

            Christen Press
            2016 Rio Olympics
            12 Aug 2016
            USA 1 SWE 1
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 2, Shots on Goal 0
            Penalty Kicks Attempted 1, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

            Christen Press
            2016 Rio Olympics
            09 Aug 2016
            USA 2 COL 2
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 4, Shots on Goal 1
            Penalty Kicks Attempted 0, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

            Christen Press
            2016 SheBelieves Cup
            Goals 0, Assists 0

            Christen Press
            2016 CONCACAF Women’s Olympic Qualifying
            Knockout Stage
            Goals 0, Assists 0

          • HOFCToDi

            Tournament performances worthy of de-allocation:

            Christen Press
            2016 Summer Olympic Games
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 6, Shots on Goal 1
            Penalty Kicks Attempted 1, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

            Christen Press
            2016 SheBelieves Cup
            Goals 0, Assists 0

            Christen Press
            2016 CONCACAF Women’s Olympic Qualifying
            Knockout Stage
            Goals – 0, Assists – 0

            Christen Press
            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
            Goals 1, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 7, Shots on Goal 2
            Penalty Kicks Attempted 0, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

          • HOFCToDi

            Your comments are meaningless.

          • HOFCToDi

            You are a blithering idiot.

            Christen Press was even worse at the 2016 Summer Olympic Games than the 2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup:

            Christen Press
            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
            Goals 1, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 7, Shots on Goal 2
            Penalty Kicks Attempted 0, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

            Christen Press
            2016 Summer Olympic Games
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 6, Shots on Goal 1
            Penalty Kicks Attempted 1, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

        • HOFCToDi

          Christen Press sucks.

          • guest

            Why do you personally hate Christen Press so much? I’ve never seen you explain. What do you personally dislike about her so much?

          • guest

            He has hated her ever since CRS lost in 2015 and she got embarrassed by ARod. At least that is when I think it started.

          • HOFCToDi

            WWIII commenced right after the 2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup.

          • HOFCToDi

            Christen Press was even worse at the 2016 Summer Olympic Games than the 2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup:

            Christen Press
            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
            Goals 1, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 7, Shots on Goal 2
            Penalty Kicks Attempted 0, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

            Christen Press
            2016 Summer Olympic Games
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 6, Shots on Goal 1
            Penalty Kicks Attempted 1, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

          • guest

            Right, that doesn’t answer the question about why you personally hate her so much.

            I think Carli Lloyd shouldn’t be starting, but I also admire how hard she works and wish her well. It often seems like you wish Press harm.

          • guest123

            A lot of the Press backlash is really Pressgang backlash. Her fans are much more quiet these days, but NYRick, Reality and newsouth used to come here on every article, no matter what the topic, and talk about their Pressious Princess for hundreds of comments repeating the same things over and over.

          • HOFCToDi

            Exactly!

            Let’s ignore the performances at the 2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup and the 2016 Summer Olympic Games. However, let’s focus on performances versus tomato cans at meaningless international women’s friendlies.

          • HOFCToDi

            Waa! It’s Abby’s fault!
            Waa! It’s Carli’s fault!
            Waa! It’s Alex’s fault!

            Waa! Time to dispatch the wambulances!

          • guest

            There was also an ongoing fanfiction narrative, where Press was the helpless victim of many co-conspirators including Abby, Dirty Daddy Dan Borislow, Tom Sermanni, Pia Sundhage, Jill Ellis, Alex Morgan, Sydney Leroux, and Carli Lloyd. All of whom were bullying the more talented, prettier, smarter, nicer, more humble Christen Press out of jealousy so she wouldn’t become famous.

          • HOFCToDi

            Keep ignoring the facts:

            Christen Press
            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
            Goals 1, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 7, Shots on Goal 2
            Penalty Kicks Attempted 0, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

            Christen Press
            2016 Summer Olympic Games
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 6, Shots on Goal 1
            Penalty Kicks Attempted 1, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

          • guest123

            don’t forget Nationwide Car Insurance, Nike, Sunil Gulati, and Julie Foudy.

          • guest

            And Tony Dicicco because he didn’t praise her enough during their friendly against the Marshall Islands or something

          • HOFCToDi

            The U-20 USWNT won the 2008 FIFA U-20 Women’s World Cup without Christen Press. Tony DiCicco made the right call.

          • Steglitz49

            I thought that he reason she did not play had to do with not being released by Stanford.

          • guest

            Why would stanford not release her? I was under the impression that she either turned call ups down, or wasn’t called up at all. Can’t blame her really… Stanford is paradise.

          • Steglitz49

            As I remember it, it had to do with Stanford’s academic requirement and also what matches the Cardinals had that clashed with the WC (or the camp preceding the WC).

          • HOFCToDi

            Sunil Gulati? Julie Foudy?

          • htm222

            The funny thing is that Press and Sydney are friends, Abby and Dirty Dan played her plenty at MagicJack, Tom played her at forward regularly, and so did Ellis prior to the World Cup.

          • HOFCToDi

            That does not fly with the conspiracists, better known as the “Press Gang Troll Brigade”. Sydney Leroux is also friends with Abby Wambach. Ergo, Sydney Leroux can’t be friends with Christen Press. Remember ………

            Waa! It’s Abby’s fault!
            Waa! It’s Carli’s fault!
            Waa! It’s Alex’s fault!
            Waa! Time to dispatch the wambulances!

          • guest

            The only icy relationship I potentially buy is Carli-Press since she was asked about Press in an interview and literally ignored the question which made me lol. But I think Carli is an ice queen in general and socially awkward. She doesn’t care about being friends with her teammates, she just wants to compete. The young players and even her Dash teammates love her though.

          • DNG

            Lloyd has given us some questionable comments about Morgan too.

          • anon

            Her friendship with Sam Mewis is really endearing

          • #1Fan

            not sue I agree that they love her, but …have you seen Bronx tale ?

          • rkmid71

            “Ellis loves her goal scorers.” Is that why she puts them in defense or midfield? She would rather have them suck in those positions rather than be on the bench or not on roster?

          • guest

            Because she thinks they are all just going to run forward in a blob, pummel the net, and score goals. This is the Ellis strategy. Where have you been? She hates defensive players. Why is an attacking Mid the premier (lol) CB right now?

          • #1Fan

            she seems to have forgotten that yes 90 pct of the games are about solving defensive teams , BUT the ones that truly count are not .

          • DNG

            Ellis only seems to move Press into the midfield. I think Dunn is actually more of a wide player. She does tend to want to carry too many forwards though. Ellis will not be able to play a successful 3-5-2 with any combination of forwards so long as Lloyd is always in the lineup. I just don’t see the appeal of Lynn Williams right now and Leroux is pretty much the same player(and Alex).

          • guest

            Dude you are living in the past. Press only plays forward these days. If she doesn’t score then she gets subbed for dunn, if dunn isn’t already playing on the wing.

          • DNG

            Not disputing that just pointing out that I can’t think of a bunch of forwards Ellis has recently put into the midfield. Other than Dunn and occasionally Press. In Dunn’s case I think it’s the right move.

          • guest

            Horan as a holding mid?

          • DNG

            Touché. Although she did have experience as an attacking mid previously.

          • guest

            Oh that would have potential. Except Ellis never plays her there. Horan is an attacking player, certainly not a box to box midfielder.

          • DNG

            On this we agree. Horan doesn’t have the ability to recover or the defensive ability to play CM.

          • anon

            She has great chemistry with Rose. My favorite parts of the England game, to be honest, were their passes to each other.

          • dani

            Horan isn’t fast enough for the international game. She is a wasted roster spot and consistently one of the worst players. Overhyped for her non-conformist path skipping college. There, I said it.

          • guest

            I kind of like her for skipping college and taking the money. College is great for some people, but for a lot of (athletes especially) it’s a waste of time. It’s often a waste of money.

            But yeah she hasn’t lived up to potential.

          • DNG

            International game is not just about foot speed. Consistently one of the worst players is just untrue and I don’t even know how to respond to the last bit. Skipping college to become a better soccer player is a great decision for those looking to get better and become professionals.

          • #1Fan

            i think she is not fast enough to play in the US system as constructed because WITH Lloyd you need legs in MF. I doint think Intl game needs speed, but I do concede that foot speed is a disproportionately large component of WoSo

          • DNG

            She’s probably not fast enough to play up top for the type of team Ellis wants since high pressing seems to be a major component now. I think she’s great in a team like Portland who like to play a little slower and pick their spots to press as oppose to committing to a high press for 90 minutes. And like you said if you play her instead of someone like Lloyd you can surround her with some fast players either on the flank, underneath or on top.

          • #1Fan

            its interesting that a player like Horan went to “finish” her education in Europe and emerged a solid all around player, good enough for the WNT.

            And a sprinter like Williams ends up in the same place

            Says a lot about the “skills” currently needed to succeed in the US WNT. Speed is so dominant in WoSo even without polish.

          • DNG

            Well I truly think they would be a better all around team if they were starting and working with a player like Horan up top as oppose to Williams or Morgan. US seems to be afraid to go away from what they know. I watched an NWSL match last year between Portland and Houston where Houston hardly got a positive touch on the ball or look at goal because they sat off and couldn’t bet the ball back. Portland are probably the slowest team in the NWSL.

          • #1Fan

            Speed is the quick fix. technique and tactics take time

          • DNG

            To develop a skill driven culture among all players across the nation I agree, that will take years. In terms of the full team though I feel pretty confident that I among others could select a starting XI from the pool that plays both more attractive and more effective soccer than what we saw a couple weeks ago That could compete with the best teams in the world.

          • guest

            Off topic, but interested in your thoughts re the u19 roster released. looks like maybe a couple bubble u17 wc players mixed in with some kids being given another chance and some newbies.

          • #1Fan

            looks like many of the same names. the Off year teams are hard to evaluate. Players like Ekic, Dorwart , Zandi were touted highly then disappeared totally. Back I guess.

          • guest

            Why is that surprising. Even a “technical” team like France brought in a competitive sprinter who had never kicked a soccer ball until she was 16! (thomis)… and she is one of their most effective players. Speed and strength are more rare in women athletes.

          • #1Fan

            I am being partially sarcastic. in the USA we pour scorn on players like that now at youth level. then we select them at u23+

          • HOFCToDi

            Bob Bradley was given less than 90 days at Swansea City. Jill Ellis was given six months to optimize the 3-4-1-2 or 3-5-2 tactical formation. The end result was the worst home loss since 2003. The USSF is run by mindless lemmings.

          • HOFCToDi

            Head Coach Pia Sundhage
            2012 USWNT
            2012 Summer Olympic Games roster:
            Cheney
            Leroux
            Morgan
            Rodriguez
            Wambach

          • guest

            I’m not asking why rational people criticize Press. I get the backlash argument, or simply thinking there are other better forwards. I came along later, so a big part of why I defend her is because she’s by all accounts a nice human being who gets endless amounts of personal vitriol from one commentator. So, what I am curious about is HOFCToDi’s seemingly irrational, burning, personal hatred that causes him to post upwards of 20 comments an article specifically targeting Christen with fervent, repetitive rants. They sometimes rise to the point I feel like they should be investigated.

          • DNG

            Your mistake is assuming that HOFCToDi is a rational human being when it comes to Press. All evidence I’ve seen points to the contrary.

          • HOFCToDi

            You are a blithering idiot, a clueless moron, and a worthless troll. #1Fan and DNG are two peas in a pod.

          • HOFCToDi

            You have a serious reading comprehension issue:

            Christen Press was even worse at the 2016 Summer Olympic Games than the 2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup:

            Christen Press
            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
            Goals 1, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 7, Shots on Goal 2
            Penalty Kicks Attempted 0, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

            Christen Press
            2016 Summer Olympic Games
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 6, Shots on Goal 1
            Penalty Kicks Attempted 1, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

          • Reality

            Trolls are not rational, ergo one cannot have a rational conversation with them. The Press Haters here at EQ fit the definition of troll quite well…

            “In Internet slang, a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory,[1]extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[2]or of otherwise disrupting normal, on-topic discussion,[3]often for the troll’s amusement.”

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll?wprov=sfsi1

            As with all trolls, the best way to deal with them is to deny them the attention that their juvenile insecurity craves. I block them myself. It makes reading and participating here at EQ much more enjoyable.

          • HOFCToDi

            Christen Press is the most overhyped and most overrated player in USWNT history. The “Press Gang Troll Brigade” have lost the propaganda battle.

    • HOFCToDi

      USWNT 2013-2016
      FIFA Top 12 Ranked Opponents
      USWNT Goals Scored
      Morgan – 16 (too many to list)
      Lloyd – 11 (too many to list)
      Leroux – 7 (CAN, BRA x 2, CAN, JPN, CAN, FRA)
      Wambach – 5 (GER, AUS, BRA, PRK x 2)
      Rapinoe – 4 (GER, BRA, AUS x 2)
      Press – 3 (AUS, FRA, AUS)
      Holiday – 2 (AUS, JPN)
      Heath – 2 (JPN, CAN)
      Johnston – 2 (FRA, JPN)
      Dunn – 2 (BRA, ENG)
      Horan – 2 (CAN, JPN)

      Christen Press has yet to even catch up to Abby Wambach!

      http://media.moddb.com/images/groups/1/3/2933/ROFLMAO.png

      • guest

        Given that Abby Wambach has 255 caps and Press has 83 that is in no way shocking to me..

        Wambach – 5 / 255 = .019
        Press – 3 / 83 = .036

        A better analysis would be goals top teams per minutes played against top teams, but still you see the problem with a simplistic analysis like this.

        • HOFCToDi

          Read the fine print:

          USWNT 2013-2016

    • HOFCToDi

      Calendar Year 2016
      FIFA Top 12 Ranked Opponents
      USWNT Goals Scored
      Morgan (DOB 02 Jul 1989) – 6
      Lloyd (DOB 16 Jul 1982) – 2
      Horan (DOB 26 May 1994) – 2
      Long (DOB 13 Aug 1987) – 1
      Heath (DOB 29 May 1988) – 1
      Johnston (DOB 06 Apr 1992) – 1
      Dunn (DOB 03 Jul 1992) – 1
      Mewis (DOB 09 Oct 1992) – 1

      By the way, Christen Press is not on the list.

      ussoccer.com/womens-national-team/lineups/2016-lineups

      http://media.moddb.com/images/groups/1/3/2933/ROFLMAO.png

    • HOFCToDi

      Summer Olympic Games
      Games Started
      Leroux (DOB 07 May 1990) – 0
      Press (DOB 29 Dec 1988) – 1

      Summer Olympic Games
      Minutes Played
      Leroux (DOB 07 May 1990) – 77
      Press (DOB 29 Dec 1988) – 123

      Summer Olympic Games
      Goals Scored
      Leroux (DOB 07 May 1990) – 1
      Press (DOB 29 Dec 1988) – 0

      Christen Press is the quintessential international FRAUD.

      4 years (2013, 2014, 2015, 2016)
      78 caps
      2 head coaches

      Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

      garbage time
      prima donna
      selfish shot hog
      tomato cans

    • HOFCToDi

      USWNT Career
      FIFA Top 10 Ranked Opponents
      USWNT Goals Scored
      Morgan (DOB 02 Jul 1989) – 34
      Leroux (DOB 07 May 1990) – 8
      Press (DOB 29 Dec 1988) – 3

      Christen Press is the quintessential international FRAUD.

      4 years (2013, 2014, 2015, 2016)
      78 caps
      2 head coaches

      Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

      garbage time
      prima donna
      selfish shot hog
      tomato cans

    • Second to Morgan.

      He has been exceedingly good with SKC. Orlando City has been trying to poach him for years. He wasn’t doing well early in his career, so KC loaned him to Orlando City USL where he caught fire and his career really took off. They think that gives them dibs. 😉 He was brought back to KC and has pretty much been on fire with the club ever since.

      Eligible and quite capable, I believe.

  • AlexH

    A bit off topic, but I went to see UCLA v UNLV in a Spring game this weekend and was very impressed by the UCLA team (and the fight put up by UNLV) if for no other reason than if you didn’t know who was who there would have been really no way to tell who the national team players were and who was there for the scholarship and the free pizza. Pugh played a bit disinterested, Fleming was very good and the UCLA 4, 5, 10 and 12 were impressive as was the UNLV 11 who pretty much single handedly kept the game interesting until the floodgates opened (3-0). Pugh did score a nice left footed garbage time goal, BTW.
    The takeaway I got from looking at the game was that it was obvious that all of these players are just kids and it is folly to say X is the future face of American soccer while Y and Z are no longer in our plans, because it would not be the least bit surprising if a year from now Y and Z stepped up their games big time while X fell off a cliff after discovering beer bongs and boys.

    • guest

      Kelley Ohara is a party girl. She’s still on the national team.

    • Gary Diver

      Spring Games

      Out of curiosity, what are the spring college games? Isn’t college WoSo a fall sport? So are these spring games just exhibition games and have no value other then practice and development?

      • guest

        They don’t count towards a championship if that’s what you mean. But yes, spring games are used to keep players in shape and prepare for next year. Seniors are done by then, so it’s practice playing without them, and get a look at younger players in new roles. The team will still have practice and weightlifting almost every day in the Spring, though there are limits on how much you can do out of season so it may be a tiny bit lighter, or practices will be “Captain’s practices” to get around rules.

    • rkmid71

      “if you didn’t know who was who there would have been really no way to tell who the NT players were”

      Not surprising. Disinterest? What do you think Coach Auriemma would do with such a player? He would sit their ass on the bench. And then pay close attention to their attitude on the bench. Do they remain disinterested, disengaged? Pout? Support their teammates on the field?

      • #1Fan

        “Pugh p[played disinterested ” Very interesting comment.

        • rkmid71

          As far as I’m concerned, perhaps the worst comment that can be made about a player.

          • #1Fan

            i would love more context on it. Is it unreasonable for a player who is venturing into a new world – College to be distracted? I would say yes it is. I would also like to know how someone judges “disinterest”. very subjective. May well have just had a bad game. Who knows.

            I dont buy into the theory that College soccer is not big enough for UCLA

          • rkmid71

            I would think it’s not just about performance, it’s about body language, energy and effort. I think every coach should rightfully expect their players to bring that every game. No one knows the physical or mental state of the player for each game. But if the coach is going to play them, one assumes they are ready to play both mentally and physically. And it’s not unreasonable for a coach to bench such a player (no matter what their reputation may be) if they aren’t bringing their best each and every time.

            Maybe the U17, U20 WCs weren’t big enough either? The excuses have to stop. It’s not helping anyone.

          • #1Fan

            I agree with you . I guess one mans disinterest is anothers bad game. But I agree with everything you said.We seem to make excuses for the marketable players we have anointed. I think its very fair to say she needs to improve.

          • lvye7329

            You’re getting fairly worked up about a subjective assessment that has not yet been elaborated on.

          • #1Fan

            I have tried to make the point that I dont necessarily think she is disinterested. Every other comment I have taken as more general as opposed to Pugh only ( with regard to disinterest that is)

          • rkmid71

            AlexH was not making a general comment. He/she was making a specific comment about the game they saw. It was Pugh specific in that game. And it was only “a bit” disinterested so it wasn’t as harsh as it could have been. The main point was she did not stand out along with other NT players.

          • #1Fan

            with the throne comes great expectation. Hard to take a day off. People expect to see something special ever time they watch.

          • rkmid71

            That’s why many of said it’s too early for that kind of expectation. USSF seems to want to get the cart before the horse. For a player to be considered great, they have to bring it every single day (practice, game or whatever). That’s what makes them better and perform to potential and the teammates around them better. The others see that every player is held to the same standard, no matter some preconceived “reputation”. I don’t expect Pugh to do something special every game, but I expect her to bring energy, effort, and doing her best to help her team win every game, whether that is something considered “special” or not.

          • #1Fan

            Think we agree. I am dead against the hype, but its rife.

          • Steglitz49

            A Game of Thrones? The mind boggles.

          • #1Fan

            i get that. i was just not taking his opinion as gospel.

          • AlexH

            Pugh was doing a lot more walking than the rest of her team, nor was she going in very hard on challenges.
            A few points on context. This was the 2nd of 2 games that day (they were only 60 m) so she could have been really bringing it earlier. She seemed to be playing something of a CAM or withdrawn striker. And she is awfully new to the team.
            I wasn’t trying to make a general statement about MP, just reporting what I saw. But I do stand by my statement that there were a lot of players out on that field that could easily be the top dog.
            Another funny point. The UCLA parents (there were a few of them) were no different than the U-12 parents on my daughter’s team, and were shouting out the same inane instructions to their kids as if they were 12. I was tempted to say something like, “Dude, you know your kid is really, really, really good and she is probably cringing on the inside every time you open your mouth.”

          • rkmid71

            Cringing on the inside? By the time the kid is in college, I’m surprised they don’t tell their parent to shut-up or not even come to the game at that point if they can’t just enjoy the game. No wonder some of these kids can’t make decisions for themselves on the field. Their own parents are second guessing every action from the time they were 12. What fun is that? They need to allow their kid to fail and learn how to cope with it on their own. Otherwise, they’ll be dependents for a long time. I think it’s the parent’s ego that their kid is at UCLA , they’re expected to win and be so much better and UNLV keeping the game even just undermines the whole myth. Never mind that UCLA had a losing record two years ago — despite all their top recruits.

          • #1Fan

            Valid. Its why I have no respect for the UCLA are too good for College soccer reporters. Its lazy reporting and its disrespectful to other teams

          • AlexH

            I was really surprised by the parents myself. I think it is because the parents were the ones up until recently were the ones footing the bill.
            However, it is another reason to not categorize kids as national team(s) worthy at this age, or at least de-emphasize their NT status as the presence of a psycho parent can have a disproportionate impact at such a young age.

          • AlexH

            BTW, USC comes to town in 2 weeks, so I will report back then.

          • #1Fan

            No surprise and thank you for the additional context. Very helpful.

          • mockmook

            Didn’t stand out to AlexH

            Doesn’t mean she had a bad game or played poorly — we don’t know how objectively or “intelligently” AlexH was in evaluating her play.

          • rkmid71

            You mean like how “intelligently” the FIFA Technical Committee were in evaluating Sauerbrunn’s performance at the 2015WC? I think I’ll trust AlexH at this point. He/she is a muscles and wheels person, so I would think would be favorably disposed towards Pugh. Though my recollection is that some combination of muscles and wheels and arts and crafts is ok too.

          • kernel_thai

            Whether it’s her not being mentally into it or simply not playing well, Pugh and some others have unfortunately gotten caught up in the Ellis/Heinrichs development is working campaign. It’s really a shame because it’s not only a disservice to the player but it may be a detriment to the USWNT. Even tho she seems physically able to compete on the NT level, I have doubts she is mentally ready to do so. After a wonderful start last Spring her game has stagnated and her U20 WC performance said anything but future face of US soccer.

            The NT isn’t the place to develop talent, it’s where talent is melded together. At this stage in her career, Pugh needs to be on teams where she can be the star not a blend in role on the NT. If they really expect her to carry the US team one day she isn’t going to learn how to do that in her current role. Other examples of this r Lavelle and Pinto who r also being touted as examples of the US developing technical players. If Lavelle is an answer at the #10 going forward play her there not out on the flank. I can’t even fathom why Pinto is taking up a roster spot if she isn’t ready to play. If she needs to be pushed up she should be with the 20s not the NT.

          • #1Fan

            Very valid concerns. The mental impact and resulting development is often ignored when assessing the pros and cons of calling up young ladies. the concept of “playing Up” is such a USA thing. partially borne out of the $$ nature of the sports routes. In most other countries , they dont have a team per year becasue the sport is not being funded to the same extent by parents who need to see jane on A team.

            Where i come from there may be a team every 2 years and you play where your talent dictates. no one makes a fuss of it. You are measured versus the objective standard of being good…not good for a 16 yr old.

            Pugh and others will face this transition where people just want you to be good. Your age becomes irrelevant. Once you step into the big stage you better be ready to handle everything that comes with that.

            I think Pugh has a ton of upside and will be a great player, but I think it was very unfair to tag her with all sorts of expectations that she never really asked for.

          • Steglitz49

            Mana Iwabuchi got her first cap for Japan aged 16 while Saki Kumagai was 17. Both played in the WC-11 final, Saki hammering in the last nail into the USWNT coffin.

            That is the way the metaphorical cookie crumbles.

          • DNG

            I don’t really see disinterest in Pugh’s play. Truthfully I would need a big sample of evidence pointing to that to feel comfortable making that claim about any player. What I see in Pugh is a player who has hardly developed at all in the last year. How could that have happened? Wasn’t the NT suppose to help her develop quicker?

          • #1Fan

            Bingo. The disinterest part was in response to the OP. But I agree with your larger point. I dont think she has developed much at all in the last 2 years.

          • #1Fan

            Show me a fast , direct player who has developed into a lot more under the current regime? When you are successful doing it and the world tells you how great you are, what is the incentive? Gareth bale had to become more to really scale the next level.

          • DNG

            She still has lots of time to improve but I don’t think a bunch of people from US Soccer constantly telling her how great she is helps her grow at all. She has the athleticism and a pretty good base set of skills. That base needs to be expanded significantly if she wants to become great at the top of the sport. There’s only a club or two I think she can get that kind of support playing in the US. The pressure and temptation for athletes to use their athleticism to win games is too great here.

          • #1Fan

            agreed 100 pct. Im fighting that now with my own kid.

          • Steglitz49

            You type — “The pressure and temptation for athletes to use their athleticism to win games is too great here” — but is that not exactly what players like Stina Blackstenius, Nilla Fischer, Lisa Dahlkvist, Alexandra Popp and Vivianne Miedema etc do all the time? On the men’s side you have CR7 and Zlatan.

          • DNG

            And for all that talk about how great her technical ability is(It’s only okay for me), she hardly looks to combine with teammates at all.

          • #1Fan

            well, ill give her a pass there as I dont see that from anyone, but I agree she is ok technically. Not polished yet. I think she has the tools to be GREAT, but just like the boys, to do that in a College environment is very hard. So many other things going on and winning is the only goal.

          • DNG

            Well we see it from a couple of players on the full team but I still think the goal should be to see it from all of them. If Morgan Brian was playing more in the A3 you would expect it from her no? I think the expectation for all the players coming in is that they should be able to combine somewhat. Players who rely on physical abilities alone to beat defense can be stopped either by equal athleticism or a solid tactical play most of the time.

          • #1Fan

            Fair. i do believe that the right combination of players would free up the athletic player to do her thing and rarely get stopped, by anyone.

          • DNG

            I think I agree. The right combination of players is the key part. In order to use that player/s effectively, a Thomis for example, they need players capable of both creating space for and releasing her. I don’t think the team has enough of either at the moment although some of that is comes down to manager preference.

          • Steglitz49

            A3 is a piece of paper, twice the size of A4, not to be confused with a certain car.

          • Steglitz49

            a bit like “lukewarm”?

      • Steglitz49

        I thought that was what Pia did when she took over after WC-07. Pia read them the riot act. They knew what was what.

        I gather that Norio Sasaki too could be a disciplinarian. I doubt any US WoSo player would have eaten what he dished out but the Golden Generation not only respected him but loved their Norio.

  • a for effort

    Another classic captioning job by EQ. At least the Penn State player shares Stengel’s number. Maybe EQ should just stop trying to write captions.

    • f for accuracy

      another incorrect photo caption,
      just most recent example of EQ (lack of) photo editor

  • KCFan

    The name is LaBonta, Lo’eau LaBonta.

    And here’s the second half lineup:

    Tymrak—- ARod
    Toohey—Stiever—Shaffer—Hellstrom
    Beal–Patterson–Miramontez–Reed
    Parkhill

    Do they need another forward in Tymrak?

    • Guest

      Did you go to the game? I wanted to but I didn’t have time to make the trip, still annoyed they don’t have a game in KC. As for Tymrak, she was tried as a forward early last season as well but it didn’t work out.

      I was wondering about this line-up as well. I’m concerned the Laddish, Averbuch, Arlitt, and Moros didn’t suit up i’m guessing.

      • KCFan

        No, I’m a day’s drive from Kansas, and I can’t see making that drive to see a game at Swope TBH. Obviously, the point of this lineup was to try out new players and I wouldn’t judge Tymrak based on what happened early last season, because the entire team struggled. Anyway, is there a reason she wouldn’t fit into a three front?

      • mockmook

        Tymrak has played ONE game as Forward in her entire KC career — and she was playing with her wrist in a brace (probably trying to guard against going down on that hand).

        Your point is ridiculous.

    • Steglitz49

      Hellstrom as in daughter of Ronnie Hellstrom?

      • KCFan

        No, Jenna Hellstrom(F) is from Sudbury, Ontario and went to Kent State. Other trialists are Sydney Miramontez(M), a local product from Shawnee Mission and a Cornhusker; Golden Gopher Josee Stiever(M); and Wolverine Meghan Toohey(M), who played for Kvarnsvedens IK.

        • Bruce

          I think Miramontez has a good shot of making this roster.

        • Steglitz49

          Kvarnsveden were promoted to Damallsvenskan for last season and managed to stay up, which is no mean an achievement.

          It is the ladies team in Borlänge, a railway junction in the south of Dalarna, one of the most beautiful landscapes of Sweden.

    • Interesting lineup. Pretty much all trialists besides the forwards.

    • mockmook

      “Do they need another forward in Tymrak?”

      Yes.

  • john

    Why is Orlando playing Stetson? Florida, Florida State, UCF, Florida Gulf Coast even?

    • mockmook

      Who do you want them to play?

      • john

        Did I not list 4 possibilities that would have benefited both sides more than playing Stetson?

        • mockmook

          You did list 4, but gave no indication you wanted Orlando to play them.

          And, as has been pointed out, they already are playing UF and FSU (plus USF and the U-23 team).

    • chrisg

      it says they do play UF + FSU later on, but yeah this one seems pointless.

  • Steglitz49

    The draw for the QFs of ladies FA Cup was made earlier today:

    Birmingham City v Arsenal
    Chelsea v Sunderland
    Bristol City v Manchester City
    Liverpool v Notts County

    Sixth Round Proper winners receive £4,000 (ca $5,000) prize money.

  • Bruce

    26 days to NWSL season opener.
    9 days since NWSL began a de facto media blackout.

    • guest

      I think the de facto NWSL media blackout dates all the way back to the early Feb NWSL and A+E Networks announcement. After the NWSL A+E announcement the NWSL site had non working “enter site” button for most of February will news items (from us soccer or from NWSL teams) only being distributed via NWSL tweets. In March the enter site button was made active but just passes thru to old NWSL website and news items are still written by others (us soccer, teams etc) and distributed via NWSL tweets.
      One assumes that NWSL & A+E are working behind the scene toward new launch of site for NWSL Media joint venture … but as you note only a few weeks until the NWSL regular season starts.

  • john

    Spirit being forced to use a non stadium field was a treat. Up close and personal as a certain sports show used to say.
    Is the 3-5-2 the choice for the season or does it reflect the lack of the 2 best OB candidates (Dydasco & Kleiner)? Church in the middle presents the same pace issue as Long for NT, but at least Church is an experienced defender. Also, it should be noted that Gabarra stuck with the 3-5-2 through all line up changes. Apparently, players can adjust to it in a short time period.

    Stengel is shooting with a lot of confidence right now.

    I’ve been known to criticize K. Mewis, but she had a strong outing. By my count – 4 shots, 3 SOG, and 2 goals. She served two dangerous corners and what really caught my eye was her long run to catch an opponent and disrupt a counterattack.

    Imo that was one of the weaker performances I’ve ever seen from Penn State. PSU has a lot of YNT players, but the things they do wrong boggle my mind. Unpressed and consistently playing a pass behind a teammate. Bad giveaways and poor keeper distribution from these “cream of the crop” is always a bad sign.

    Has “catch ’em doing good” morphed into a lack of constructive criticism and accountability? Does that explain why USSF made up a position for Snow and “promoted” French? Most players in our current WNT are limited and imo the pool lacks a single dangerous forward. Either our staffs don’t see what’s in front of them or no one is willing to call it like they see it.

    • DNG

      When played correctly the 3-5-2 is a solid defensive formation that gives a team an extra CB to help clean out chances in the danger area. I think Gabarra could stick with it to give his team what he things is the best chance at results. They lost a lot of goal scoring talent from last year over the offseason.

    • #1Fan

      think there are dangerous fwds, just not multi dimensional ones

    • Bruce

      No Dydasco? I thought she was in camp.

      Maybe not cleared for contact?

      • Arcie Tillydee

        And is Kleiner injured or something? SHe’s on the roster.

        Really liked her when she was here with the Thorns. Good judgement, decent skillset, 5’9″ tall, and some serious wheels…

        • john

          She was showing her “fat” ankle to a Spirit staffer when I walked by.

          • Arcie Tillydee

            Ah, thanks. Hope she mends quickly. Cool player…and the only player I saw stay anywhere near Emily Menges when the Thorns were running sprints at practice.

        • DNG

          Any idea why Kleiner did not stick with the Thorns. Speed at OB seem like something they desperately need. I’ll admit to not paying too much attention to her when she played there couple two years ago and I only saw her a couple of times last year. Not enough to have a real strong opinion on her skills.

          • Arcie Tillydee

            She was traded for Katherine Reynolds, if I remember correctly.

          • DNG

            Ah well that makes sense. Reynolds has been a pretty solid player for the Thorns at RB and can cover at CB in a pinch. I still miss Catley at LB though. When healthy she’s an excellent player.

      • john

        She was there, but didn’t participate in warm-upj

    • mockmook

      Who were the WBs?

      • john

        Kallman, Castleberry; Williams, Agnew; Gavilsky

        • mockmook

          Thanks!!!

  • DNG

    For anyone interested in seeing some of FCKC’s goals.

    https://twitter.com/FCKansasCity/status/843963989340098562

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  • KCBBQ

    I kind of miss the Wrecking Ball. Is that wrong? Syd is the opposite of what USSoccer claims to want but i loved watching her when she was playing well.

    • guesttt

      Her style of play, assuming it’s still the same, pretty much dictates that she won’t have a long career. Her “prime time” was pretty short lived. I feel the same way about Alex.

      • KCBBQ

        She offers heading prowess and courage. Maybe she could have bulldozed Renard in the SBC lol.

        • Calci0

          You joke, but she is a physical presence. Even fouled she can make a play (not sure what the ref saw?!?) https://youtu.be/_g3zstcHz5k?t=55m1s

          • KCBBQ

            I’m not joking. I like Syd a lot. She is someone that I root for.

      • Calci0

        Wambach was pretty physical and seemed to have staying power (physically).

        • guestt

          yeah but the competition was different, her physique was different, and the offense was built around her (where she basically ahd to hang around the box and head it). I like Syd – I think she is hilarious and I hope her new family life leads her to take soccer/training/her club more seriously. But It’s a different time.

          • Calci0

            I don’t think she ever “didn’t” take soccer/training seriously. You don’t move from Canada, get separated from your family, and strive to make the USWNT by taking training lightly. Now does she have a life off the field?!? Sure… Does she enjoy social media? No doubt. But I don’t think that means she doesn’t take her sport seriously….

          • Gary Diver

            Like a number of other USWNT players, one could argue that Leroux hasn’t taken NWSL seriously. After scoring 11 goals with Boston in 2013, she scored only 6 goals during the next years, and didn’t play last year due to her pregnancy. I don’t think she wanted to play with Western New York and there was some controversy about her lack of interest to go to Rochester to celebrate the WC15 win.

        • DNG

          They are not the same type of player and I think most of us believe that Wambach overstayed her welcome.

          • Calci0

            That may be but they are both more physical than your avg forward. And Like I said she had staying power (physically), so regardless of if people thought she should still be playing, she remained healthy playing a more physical style.

          • DNG

            I don’t think Leroux would be anywhere near as effective without her speed as say a player like Wambach. Almost all of her game is based off her speed even if she is also tough and a fighter. Personally I don’t see the necessity for 3 Morgan type players in Morgan, Leroux and Williams. I would probably only carry one but I guess we’ll see what Ellis does.

          • Calci0

            We all want something different in a player. But be it as a starter or a sub, I want someone like Leroux who as you stated is “tough and a fighter” on my squad. They tend to find a way to score goals. And saying you don’t think Leroux would be nearly as effective without her speed, is like saying Wambach wouldn’t be nearly as effective without her height. Guess I’m not following….. Either way I think her style has a place on the team. And if she can get back to scoring, along with Morgan, and Williams all three need to be on the team. I want forwards that can put the ball in the back of the net, period. It’s the coach’s job to find a way to get players in position to be successful.

          • DNG

            “And saying you don’t think Leroux would be nearly as effective without her speed, is like saying Wambach wouldn’t be nearly as effective without her height.”

            No it’s not. One changes with age and the other does not. They are not the same.

            “all three need to be on the team”

            No they don’t. My team would only have 2-4 CFs and I certainly would not pick all three of them. A coach does need to find a way to get players in optimal positions but they don’t need to chose who you or I think should be in the team. They can chose whoever they want.

          • Calci0

            Wambach’s ability to take advantage of her height (jumping, leaping) does change. And tell Justin Gatlin he needs to slow down since obviously with age he should decline. You aren’t tracking me. From the way it sounds (and maybe I’m not following you….), you are saying in no circumstance should Morgan, Leroux, and Williams all make the team. I’m saying if for 6 months, or whatever arbitrary time frame other fwds don’t show consistent goal scoring, but those three find a way to avg one per 90mins, then why would you say, “too bad, 2 of you still have to leave so I can pick someone who hasn’t been as effective scoring”. All I want is for the players to earn their way, and if those three end up being the most effective, then the coach needs to find a way to get them all on the team, and all on the field at some point. If they aren’t making the mark, then so be it, play the players that are.

          • #1Fan

            Your argument is all over the place. I get that you want players to earn a spot, but the composition of a roster ( if its designed to play the best teams in the world) needs to have alternatives. Burning 3 spots on players whose base asset is the same makes no sense

          • Calci0

            I didn’t say they all have to be on the field at the same time. My argument is pretty grounded. I bringing players that I know will find the back of the net, and as coach if I need to alter my game plan to take advantage of players with similar traits, then I guess I’d be doing what I’m paid to do.

          • DNG

            It’s a waste of roster spaces because you more than likely would not play more than 1 at the same time in a balanced XI.

          • Calci0

            Tony DiCicco found a way to make it work with Morgan and Leroux up top to much success. And before anyone goes crazy with that example, all I’m alluding to is that a good tactician can make good use of the talent at their disposal. WNY also made it work with pretty similar fwds. Just so it’s understood, all I’m saying, is not to discount the option.

          • DNG

            Do you think DiCicco is a great tactician? A great tactician in Pep Guardiola sat Kun Aguero for Gabriel Jesus because Gabriel was a better fit in his game plan. He sat Thomas Muller for similar reason in the CL the year prior with Bayern. Sometimes the tactical game plan comes before individuals.

          • Calci0

            I’m just saying he made it work, when it seems as if you are saying it’s impossible and won’t lead to success (I contend I may have misinterpreted your thoughts). Same goes for Paul Riley, is he a great tactician a la Arrigo Sacchi?!? But he made what he had in WNY work to success. And I’m all for the tactical game plan, I’m just saying if the individuals in the game plan aren’t producing, it’s the coach’s job to find out why. And if need be change tactics, and go with players that are getting the job done.

          • DNG

            I’m not saying it’s impossible I’m saying I think it’s inadvisable to select three CFs who all do the same thing when you have other options. WNY had a strong roster full of players that are a good fit to execute Riley’s game plan. Look at how Riley did at Portland with different players for comparison. Sometimes it doesn’t work. I have seen no evidence that Williams, Morgan, and Leroux are those player that are going to get he job done in any case. You can’t even point to anything recent with regards to Leroux yet because she hasn’t really been healthy in two years.

          • Calci0

            That was not my narrative. I simply countered what I thought was your belief that under no circumstances could those three share the same the roster. Just for the record, all I’m saying is don’t discount it as an “option”. If a player is out of form the point is moot…… “But” if all three are bagging goals left and right at a higher rate then others, I would like to see how it could pan out.

          • guest

            it’s not just put the ball in the back of the net. the forwards have to be able to ellis’s seemingly new style of play.

          • HOFCToDi

            Five forwards named to the 2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup roster for the USWNT:

            Leroux
            Morgan
            Press
            Rodriguez
            Wambach

          • DNG

            It does not change anywhere near as much as speed does. No, I’m saying that in no circumstance, bar serious injuries to other competing players, would I chose all three for my team. There is no reason to pick 3 players who give me pretty much the same thing. And it’s not as if other forwards have not scored in the league as well. Horan scored 5 time in 15 game and half of those matches she was a CM for Portland and not an attacker. Press has consistently been the NWSL’s best goal scorer.

          • Calci0

            I am debating your stance on “no matter the situation, those three do not make my team” stance you seem to have. I gave you a hypothetical scenario to see if I understood your point, and to give you an example in which I think it’s more than fine to carry all three. I’m just not going to sit here and make the ultimate statement that under no circumstance do all three players make the team. If they are in better form than the other players, then I want them on the field….

          • DNG

            Well form is not the ultimatum for me here as fit in style of play can sometimes be more important. I’ll also reiterate that I don’t believe that the NT should select 3 players who all provide the same thing if there are other option and there are right now. That is where I’m coming from and from that perspective I would not chose all three in my squad under normal circumstances

          • HOFCToDi

            If the tactical formation is 4-4-2 in a hypothetical scenario:

            Forwards – 4
            Flank Midfielders – 4
            Central Midfielders – 4
            Centerbacks – 4
            Fullbacks – 4
            Goalkeepers – 3

            23 players allotted for a FIFA Women’s World Cup roster.

  • htm222

    I’d like to see Ohai play with the fire that she did at the end of last season. Hopefully Jillian p*ssed her off enough that she will.

    • guest

      I have my doubts as to how Heath is going to hold up for another cycle. Wingers usually have the shortest shelf life (hi Pinoe).

      • sam

        hi HAO

        • Steglitz49

          Arsenal Ladies are still in the FA women’s Cup.

      • DNG

        I certainly expect Heath to slow down between now and the next WC. The chance of injury also increases as she gets older.

        • guest

          and unlike hao she isn’t fast to begin with

          • DNG

            She’s not a player that relies on speed so that’s not too big an issue as long as she doesn’t slow down too much.

          • guest

            Perhaps, but she plays the position that is most reliant on speed. Especially if Ellis is continuing with a 3back

          • DNG

            Wing back is not the same position as an attacking mid I’d argue that she should not be playing wing back at all. I’ll point you to Rapinoe at the 2015 WC who was easily one of the top wings in the world and probably one of the slowest. Foot speed is definitely an asset out there though.

      • guest

        haven’t you heard? rapinoe said she’s doing another uswnt cycle. don’t know if the coach knows this yet.

    • sam

      Ellis doesn’t like her for some unknown reason. That is fairly obvious considering Mcdonald (who never saw the pitch) got a call up over her. Her NT career dreams are over.

    • rkmid71

      You must be a Houston fan. I suspect Ohai is not holding her breath re: USWNT no matter how much fire she has and how well she plays in the NWSL. And I thought she did quite well in the limited minutes she got with the USWNT. Ohai needs to focus on having fun and playing soccer for Houston — things she can control. Hopefully she has the wherewithal to keep going. It would drive anybody crazy to try to figure out JE’s rationale behind player selection, positions, etc. — whatever JE has been doing has certainly not been working for a couple years now. The next USWNT WC is 2019 in France. The next U17 and U20 WCs are in 2018 in Uruguay and France respectively. The spinmasters and marketers will have to work overtime between now and then. I think though that their spin is becoming more and more tiresome.

      • DNG

        Personally I’m not that high on Ohai but I get why others like her. To me she is still very much a winger in the mold of HAO. She’s a chalk on boots winger that can score on the counter because of her speed. No reason not to bring her if you’re playing a 3-5-2 or any other formation with wing backs. I think she’d be pretty limited in a more progressive offense though that required her to combine and play inside with close control. If she can develop into a solid 1v1 defender I might try her out at OB.

        • rkmid71

          If OB is her only option, let her develop into a solid 1v1 defender somewhere other than the USWNT. Instead let’s select real OBs that are already excellent 1v1 defenders. And I prefer OBs with technical skills that know how to possess the ball. For the avoidance of doubt, scoring goals does not equal solid 1v1 defending.

          • guest

            Anyone in mind? I don’t really see Kling or Ohara playing significant roles in 2019

          • rkmid71

            I don’t see Kling either. I had Ohara penciled in. She’s 28 and one of the most fit players on the team. Not a great 1v1 defender but kind of makes up for it with work rate. Not great tech skills, but ok. As DNG says above, Dunn is my other choice for now. But I would be combing the college ranks. Forget those U16 players for now btw. Either NWSL or college.

          • guest

            I guess I’ve never seen OHara as a good defender. Sure, compared to Long she looks like Sauerbrunn but I’m not a huge fan of her on the backline

          • rkmid71

            For the avoidance of doubt, I have the same view. But she seems like the best of a poor set of options for the time being. Maybe Krieger, but I think we have to move on from her. The U17 and U20 OBs sucked. I’d be looking very closely in the college ranks and NWSL.

          • DNG

            She has the pace to recover and is pretty good 1v1. It’s her positioning that’s​ let her down the couple of times people have gotten in behind. Not great at covering crosses either.

          • DNG

            She’s someone I like because of he ability to make good overlapping runs and recover

          • DNG

            I don’t really see any great OBs in the NWSL(maybe Catley) but I get your point and agree with it on developing outside the full team. Dunn is probably that mix of great athleticism and good enough technical ability I’d look for in an overlapping OB. O’hara too.

          • rkmid71

            Those are the two I have penciled in at OB. Maybe BJ Snow can comb the college ranks — instead of using the converted forwards they tried to use at OB in the U17 or U20s. Dunn has the defensive credibility, experience as well. Not as strong technically as one would prefer, but ok.

          • guest

            I think they need Dunn shooting on goal … she does that more than the other forwards these days

          • DNG

            I think they need to sort out their back line first but I don’t mind Dunn as a wide mid/forward either. Just need to find some good OBs then in the college ranks.

          • rkmid71

            Don’t disagree. But the team needs Dunn more in defense for the time being until we find the ideal OBs in college. I would rotate Dunn into forward periodically just so she can have some variety, add some fun. But for now against decent teams, Dunn as defender.

      • guest

        I have a lot of respect for these girls who play in the NWSL. A lot of them are making a lot less than they could be doing something else.

        • well

          tbh most undergrad athletes have useless degrees. Soccer is more fun than telemarketing or whatever else they would be doing.

          • rkmid71

            You mean the subset of undergrad athletes with useless degrees and few job options are the ones that decide to continue playing soccer and is a way to defer the day of reckoning and is a lot more fun than jobs like telemarketing or other entry type jobs?

          • well

            I suspect they are capable of making their own cost benefit analysis. Some of them (Ohai included) might think they still have a shot at a national team payout. Some of them just want to play. And yeah for some of them soccer and the “professional athlete” title is more fun than whatever else they would be doing. And yeah,athletes are notorious for majoring in silly things. There isn’t much time to do something like education (requires actual teaching jobs as part of the curriculum), engineering, nursing, pre-med, or even business majors. That’s why they often end up needing to go back to grad school.

    • DNG

      I think Ellis should call Ohai in but I’m not the biggest fan. She’s an old school winger that I’d prefer the team get away from. Most of her goals come on the counter when she’s running at defenders with space in front of her. She’ll have to deal with more congested midfields playing for the NT and I’m not sure her touch is good enough to cope.

  • #1Fan

    I see BJ Snow STILL influencing selections. SMH. The lsit of people who want these jobs must be short OR the nepotistic requirements too onerous. Not sure which

    • DNG

      I’m guessing that filling these positions and layered with bureaucracy and who someone knows as there probably isn’t a ton of people lining up for those positions right now. They all need to go though not just Snow.

      • #1Fan

        Agreed. It is still alarming that i think 20pct of our all conquering U17 WC squad are now repping the USA at U-23 or above 🙂

        • DNG

          This is something I don’t understand at all. Failure in a U20 or U17 WC seems like the perfect time to bring in brand new faces

          • #1Fan

            Apparently not. Think about it. absolutely NO ONE has been held accountable. BJ Snow is now the defacto U-23 WNT coach. What ever methods he used to such great effect over TWO u-17 cycles will be still imparted. as will his selection bias.

            The players are rising up thru US WNT ranks faster than they ever have before.

            its actually pretty amazing that NO ONE seems to ask any questions aT ALL

          • DNG

            True. I’m interested in seeing the U20 Stanford kids and Racioppi at the Thorns preseason tournament in any case even if I wish Snow had nothing to do with that team. I think they should be able to perform pretty well against the pro sides in preseason.

          • #1Fan

            I think i mentioned Cook to you before. Racioppi coming back off an injury. I think Church /EVB to Snow is a big comedown

          • DNG

            Yeah you mentioned Cook and some people have spoken highly of Davidson as well. I haven’t seen either play yet and I’ve only seen Racioppi play a couple of times I think two years ago.

          • Steglitz49

            The U23 are a parenthesis.

          • rkmid71

            You would think. But in recent years, the US hasn’t even qualified for the U17 WC. The US has never won the U17WC. Yet that didn’t result in brand new faces either. The USWNT went 16 years without winning a WC and nearly didn’t qualify in 2011. It seems to me that the USSF is satisfied with the mixed results. The attitude seems to be they win enough to keep the status quo. It’s not about being the best you can be. I just don’t want to hear anymore about other countries “catching up”, What do you expect managing things this way? This is not about the players, it’s disastrous leadership.

          • #1Fan

            i dont think the other countries were ever tactically or technically behind. Just behind in numbers and funding. The myth of “catching up” suggest we added some tactical or technical nuance to the game and others copied it. Not so. Its a bit like the rest of College soccer “catching up” to UNC. Its not that UNC was more technical or even tactical. its st that they recruited the best players for a system that preyed on the other Colleges weakness. AS the pool grew and technical quality improved slowly , it got harder for them.

            They went from the preeminent game in town , to one of many. Point is I never thought the “edge” was based on playing “better” soccer

          • DNG

            At it’s heart it’s a numbers game. It will continue to be a numbers game for the US unless China or India really pick it up. Even in this crap system for player development we can still find enough gems to fill a full team even if we don’t always chose to.

          • Steglitz49

            It depends. On the men’s side, small nations have shown that they can hold their own against the big ones as long as they have a top notch coach and strength in each segment of the ballpark.

            There is no reason to think otherwise of WoSo. Norway has the population of Oregon and Sweden that of NJ or MA. As for the wealthy men’s leagues and teams, they are only just entering the arena.

            Enter the dragons, you might say.

          • Steglitz49

            Hear hear!

          • HOFCToDi

            Real Salt Lake sacked Jeff Cassar just three games into the 2017 MLS Season.

            sbisoccer.com/2017/03/real-salt-lake-dismisses-head-coach-jeff-cassar

            Meanwhile, Jill Ellis remains employed after the USWNT suffered its worst home loss since 2003.

          • Steglitz49

            The poisoned chalice may not attract many takers.

          • rkmid71

            It’s not hard for a new coach to improve on the performance of the USWNT over the last two years since the 2015WC. The poison is partly from their own design and incompetence (like the CBA, etc). Partly because the expectations for the USWNT and any coach leading the team are rightfully very high. Some coaches have the panache to handle that situation. Sundhagen did it once. I vote for a disciplinarian (who rules the roost) and someone with undisputed credentials that the players will trust (in terms of coaching credibility) without question. That may mean some players are no longer part of the program.

          • Steglitz49

            But who, exactly? Name some people. Given that some candidates, that would fit your bill, have taken other berths, who do you wish to see in charge?

            Vlatko?

          • rkmid71

            I don’t really know which are realistic options. Insiders like Swanson. Possibly DiCicco. Vlatko would be good. Harvey another possibility and she just coached the U23s I believe?

            Who is the Jose Mourinho of WoSo? Even Pellerud? I know Lars Lagerback has taken another position.

          • rkmid71

            Suffered its worst home loss since 2003, following the worst result (and performance) at an OG in USWNT history. JE remains employed and she recently filled a new USWNT Asst Coach job with the failed U20 coach and created a new Head of Talent ID to suggest college age players for the USWNT who was the failed U17 coach for two cycles. There seems to be no accountability and a leadership vacuum at USSF. I guess Gulati has better things to focus on — like hope the USMNT finds a way to qualify for the 2018WC and teach economics at Columbia. For JE, it’s all part of the process. For her own sake, she’d better go back to playing tomato cans. Afterall, the severance costs for JE’s contract aren’t nearly what they were for JK. That much Gulati surely understands.

          • HOFCToDi

            To summarize in one word:
            Apathy

  • #1Fan

    i wonder is a kid has ever done u-18. U-20 and then u-23 camp BTB