Williams Wins the Day for the U.S.

Chelsey Bush March 1, 2017 881
Lynn Williams scored the USWNT's lone goal in their 1-0 win over Germany.

Lynn Williams scored the USWNT’s lone goal in their 1-0 win over Germany.

It was only Lynn Williams’ fifth cap and second goal of her USWNT career, but that’s all it took to carry the U.S. over Germany in the second match of the SheBelieves Cup.

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Jill Ellis’ side rolled out in a 3-4-1-2 formation, with the increasingly familiar three-back system comprised of Casey Short, Allie Long and Becky Sauerbrunn making its fifth consecutive appearance. Alyssa Naeher was given the nod over Ashlyn Harris as the U.S. goalkeeping battle continues. Steffi Jones, in her first year as Germany’s head coach, went with a more traditional 4-4-2.

It took some time for either team to find their footing as they tested each other’s defenses. While Germany kept to their preferred style of patient build-up, the U.S. pressed quickly, looking to catch the new German defense in transition. However, it was the European side who created the first chance, when Sara Däbritz forced Naeher into an excellent diving save that was deflected for the first corner of the game.

Crystal Dunn forced goalkeeper Almuth Schult into a fine reaction save of her own soon after, collecting the ball from a long throw-in by Sauerbrunn and launching it near post. The U.S. earned another corner off the deflection, but it was all for naught.

Carli Lloyd was given a chance to put the U.S. on the board near the end of the first half when she lined up for a free kick just on top of the box. Her first effort went into the wall, but she was given a second opportunity when it was called back for encroachment. However, perhaps attempting to avoid the same fate, she sent the second kick well over the net.

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The deadlock was finally broken in the 56th minute when Christen Press won a ball and took it up the right side. Juking three defenders, she fired a rocket to the far post past Schult but was met by the woodwork. Tobin Heath collected the rebound, but her attempt was blocked. Third time was the charm as Williams sent a low roller back in and caught Schult wrong-footed.

The game opened up after the goal, with more end-to-end action as a result. Williams had an open chance to earn a brace when she broke free of the German defenders and faced Schult one on one but sent her shot high. Mallory Pugh came on for Dunn two minutes after the goal in her first minutes for the senior national team since the Olympics. Williams and Press would make way for Alex Morgan and Lindsey Horan in the 79th minute. Germany used four of their substitutes throughout the second half in an attempt to find an equalizer. As the game wound down, Dzsenifer Marozsan got loose on the left side and sent in a dangerous cross but couldn’t find anyone on the end of it. Ultimately the Germans’ offensive push would prove unsuccessful.

Germany faces France, winner of today’s earlier match, on Saturday at 2:15 PM EST at Red Bull Arena in Harrison, New Jersey, followed by the U.S. taking on England at 5:00 PM EST. The U.S. and France are tied for the lead in the tournament with three points apiece.

U.S. Starting XI: Alyssa Naeher; Becky Sauerbrunn, Allie Long, Casey Short; Morgan Brian, Samantha Mewis, Crystal Dunn (Mallory Pugh, 58’), Tobin Heath; Carli Lloyd, Lynn Williams (Alex Morgan, 79’), Christen Press (Lindsey Horan, 79’)

Germany Starting XI: Almuth Schult; Isabel Kerschowski (Felicitas Rauch), Babett Peter, Josephine Henning, Anna Blässe (Pauline Bremer, 69’); Sara Däbritz, Dzsenifer Marozsan, Leonie  Maier, Alexandra Popp; Anja Mittag (Mandy Islacker), Lena Petermann (Verena Faißt, 46’)

  • Todd

    What a bullish game! Wow Germany was very bad, they were sluggish, inaccurate passes, disconnect between the players. I don’t seem them winning the Euros if they play like that.

    At no time was the USA 3 back-line tested at all. Was USA convincing no, but they made the best of it. it the same old story again. USA didn’t play their best game but they’ve won again.

    • Movement

      They always have more “margin for error” than Germany does, when these two teams hook up.

      In 2003, yes, Germany outplayed them, but Germany played a new perfect (almost a flawless) game. The USWNT played horrible, and still had several chances to tie it 1-1 throughout the 2nd half, and lost 3-0 because they had no one back when they were down 1-0 and sending everyone forward. Germany got 2 late break-away goals basically late in that match, and already deserved to win before that.

      But the point is, Germany has to play pretty much perfect, and the USWNT can still find ways to win even if they play slightly worse than mediocre.

  • guest

    US soccer site match report

    -U.S. Women’s National Team Match Report-

    Match: U.S. Women’s National Team vs. Germany

    Date: March 1, 2017
    Competition: 2017 SheBelieves Cup
    Venue: Talen Energy Stadium; Chester, Pa.
    Kickoff: 7:05 p.m. ET
    Attendance: 16,318
    Weather: 64 degrees; cloudy

    Scoring Summary: 1 2 F
    USA 0 1 1
    GER 0 0 0

    USA – Lynn Williams 56th minute

    Lineups:

    USA: 1-Alyssa Naeher; 4-Becky Sauerbrunn, 20-Allie Long, 7-Casey Short; 19-Crystal Dunn (2-Mallory Pugh, 58), 6-Morgan Brian, 3-Samantha Mewis, 17-Tobin Heath 10-Carli Lloyd (capt.); 12-Lynn Williams (13-Alex Morgan, 79), 23-Christen Press (9-Lindsey Horan, 79)

    Subs not used: 5-Kelley O’Hara, 8-Julie Johnston, 11-Ali Krieger, 14-Jessica McDonald, 15-Emily Sonnett, 16-Rose Lavelle, 18-Jane Campbell, 22-Brianna Pinto, 24-Ashlyn Harris

    Head coach: Jill Ellis

    GER: 1-Almuth Schult, 2-Josephine Henning, 4-Leonie Maier, 5-Babett Peter, 9-Alexandra Popp, 10-Dzsenifer Marozsan, 11-Anja Mittag (15-Mandy Islacker, 74), 13-Sara Däbritz, 14-Anna Blässe (7-Pauline Bremer, 69), 17-Isabel Kerschowski (29-Felicitas Rauch, 74), 18-Lena Petermann (23-Verena Faißt, 45)

    Subs not used: 3-Kathrin Hendrich, 12-Laura Benkarth, 20-Lina Magull, 21-Lisa Weiß, 24-Kristin Demann, 26-Hasret Kayikci, 27-Sara Doorsoun, 31-Linda Dallman

    Head coach: Steffi Jones

    Stats Summary: USA / GER
    Shots: 15 / 11
    Shots on Goal: 3 / 4
    Saves: 4 / 2
    Corner Kicks: 6 / 4
    Fouls: 7 / 6
    Offside: 2 / 0

    Misconduct Summary:
    GER – Elizabeth Kerschowski (caution) 42nd minute
    GER – Anna Blasse (caution) 63
    USA – Lindsay Horan (caution) 90

    Officials:
    Referee: Carol Ann Chenard (CAN)
    Assistant Referee 1: Princess Brown (JAM)
    Assistant Referee 2: Stephanie Yee Sing (JAM)
    4th Official: Cardella Samuels (JAM)

  • mockmook

    I know that everyone disagrees, but I thought Lloyd had a very good game.

    She held off defenders when pressed with the ball. She made several good passes and good runs with the ball.

    ————

    Long was meh. If she isn’t going to make more than a few penetrating passes, then use a real CB with excellent defensive capabilities.

    Sauerbrunn was excellent (especially defensively). Actually was more often the backline distributor than Long was.

    Short was a mixed bag. Some very good defense, but panicked with the ball a few times.

    ————

    Press and Williams played well — both just need to calm down on that final shot.

    Dunn did well, saved the defense a few times.

    Heath was solid. Pugh looked dangerous in her short minutes.

    ————

    So so game from Mewis and Brian. Expect better in the next game.

    Naeher was pretty good. A few distribution gaffes, but otherwise did OK.

    • Kevin

      I thought Lloyd looked very slow and flat-footed. Hopefully it was just rust and not being a year older because it looked like she lost a step.

      I know that everyone disagrees… but I thought Sauerbrunn was very good defensively (as usual), yet once again showed that she’s a huge part of the problem pushing the ball forward out of the backfield.

      • Frozen Blue

        Sauerbrunn looks so uncomfortable on the ball like she just can’t wait to get rid of it and often does just passing right back to Long.

        • mockmook

          And, that’s why Long is the one who is supposed to be putting the ball forward — she didn’t do it nearly enough.

          To be fair, we once again saw the midfield not showing, not working hard enough to be open to receive passes from the backs.

      • dispassionate observer

        Sauerbrunn’s long passes more often than not found the opponents; but she was good defensively.

      • HOFCToDi

        Blah! Blah! Blah!

      • DNG

        I think you pretty perfectly described Sauerbrunn’s strength and weakness. I think Lloyd’s done though. Short was very poor in possession too.

      • Bill

        Agree. Whats more, it seemed to me that there was over deference in passing patty cake to Lloyd especially from Press. Lloyd cannot turn, cannot break a defender down and cannot pass that well.

        I cant help but speculate ( given the tv reporters indicating the coaching staff repeatedly seemed to be telling Lloyd on the sidelines to play in position and space and trust she would get the ball) that Ellis may be giving Lloyd enough rope to hang herself into being super sub off the bench

      • Nat

        The Problem with the defense especially Broon is that the midfield does not move off the ball to get open for the defense to pass the ball, that’s why we often see Broon and Long confused. I think Germany owned the mid field the first and parts of the second half.
        Germany did not pressure our defense enough, I think England will and that’s where the panic will start…. I hope Harris plays so we can see what we can expect from her, in my opinion both keepers are solid..

        • Kevin

          I disagree… Germany didn’t pressure because they don’t have to. The opposing team can just sit back on Becky because they know she can’t push the ball forward. You can give her all the room in the world and she won’t take it.

          How many times do you see Becky with a give-and-go (or a combination of passes) with a midfielder up the right side similar to Klingenberg/Heath on the left side? It was the same in 2015 in the WC, the ball never flowed up the right side with Krieger either. It always went up the middle or left side, no matter who was playing LM/RM.

    • HOFCToDi

      That was Samantha Mewis first start since 15 Sep 2016.

      ussoccer.com/womens-national-team/lineups/2016-lineups

    • Bruce

      You are right. Everyone disagrees with that. 😉

    • Ethan

      I thought Lloyd was okay, and she did have some nice passes, most notably one with the outside of her foot to Williams in the first half. However, she also held on to the ball longer than she should have multiple times, and commentators really need to stop talking Lloyd up on free kick opportunities. She doesn’t score/test the goalkeeper enough for fans to want her out of anybody to be over the ball in goal scoring set piece situations.

      Press’ only shooting opportunity was after Williams did well to play in a cross that was deflected up by a German defender, and that wasn’t an easy shot in my opinion. I at least don’t think it was an issue of not being calm enough. I wasn’t too impressed with Williams in the first half, but she did play pretty well in the second half. She definitely needed to calm down on her final shot.

      I thought Pugh could have played better, but she did do fine. Plus, one of my plays of the match was her first touches cutting inside two German players and playing a nice pass into Lloyd.

      Agreed on Long and Sauerbrunn’s defense.

      • wosofan

        Forget about Press hitting the post right before Williams scored?

        • Ethan

          Right, fair enough. I didn’t see that at all as needing to calm down though; so I just forgot about it.

      • mockmook

        Oh, yes, I totally agree that Lloyd stinks on free kicks.

    • dw

      Yes, I am sort-of a Long apologist, but what exactly do you want? She didn’t give the ball away in her own half. She wasn’t caught out of position like vs. Romania. She didn’t let anyone in behind or over. And she blocked one of Germany’s few actual chances… I don’t think her primary mission was to pick the German defense apart. I think it was to keep it together at the back.

      • kernel_thai

        The German strategy since forever has been allow the pass up the sideline and then trap. In that regard it was going to be hard for Long to make that penetrating pass Ellis wants her to make. Still, uve got Long who’s been defending for a week flanked by two pretty good defenders. That Jones wasn’t keying on an attack up the middle makes me wonder what the hell she’s been looking at.

        • dw

          Exactly so. Not one effort to get the ball between Long/Short or Long/Broon to someone running in. Romania undid the entire defense with a single ball. The lack of German attack was mystifying to say the least. But that’s where “tomato can” speed really hurts them, as German women advancing the ball are quickly overtaken and stifled by wings and mids tracking back.

      • mockmook

        “I think it was to keep it together at the back.”

        They can find “true” defenders to do that.

        I like Long, but if they won’t or can’t make use of her strengths, then get her out of the back.

        • kernel_thai

          A better test will be France. A 3back against the French will get tested both inside and outside.

          • Cc W

            France looked formidable in the last 20-30 minutes of the second half. Almost like sandbagging in the first half – then bring in Thomis, Abilly and Denard – what a difference that made.

    • Andy

      Love this comment. Lot of good thoughts.
      Lloyd frustrates me. She’s just too slow for this game now, yet her technique in general is superb. She made some wonderful passes. I just hope they don’t let her take free kicks anymore.
      I completely agree with all 3 defenders. Sauerbrunn is legit.
      Williams had great positioning, but the final touch was off a lot. Press had a monster good game. She somehow got open constantly.
      All three wings played well, yet nothing that broke the game open like we have been getting used to.
      Mewis and Brian played well, but were too quiet for my liking.
      I thought Naeher was wonderful. I don’t see Harris winning that competition.

  • guest

    Pugh and Horan were fun to watch in their limited minutes. Press continues to make me facepalm with her launching balls into orbit, but it was a nice play that ultimately brought Williams in for the winner. I don’t know what to think. I was expecting a hungrier German team and a more exciting game. I guess I’m just disappointed…

    • HOFCToDi

      Oh Poor Baby!

      USWNT head coach Jill Ellis survives another match.

      • Steglitz49

        She will be at the helm in 2019. Don’t worry; be happy.

        • dw

          See: Claudio Ranieri. There is always hope. (but not always Hope).

    • Frozen Blue

      What exactally did Pugh do to deserve praise?

      • DNG

        She made a couple of nice dribbles and passes. She was solid.

        • Frozen Blue

          Ok sure but hardly worthy of singling her out that’s just doing her job.

          • DNG

            All I said was solid. Personally, I didn’t really think anyone looked great today.

        • G

          A fresh player vs tired players. WOW

      • Bruce

        “Fun to watch” is probably a good way to describer her today. Not particularly effective, but it’s breathtaking to see her take on an entire defense at 100 mph.

        • Ethan

          Agreed on not particularly effective, but her very first play was something that nobody on the US had done before her all game, which was beating two German players with ease and threading a medium length pass into a player with loads of space around her and with a runner in front of her.

          • Bruce

            Can’t wait for her to learn to be just a bit more selective in her runs. Still too many unforced errors, but when they work they are a thing of beauty.

      • dw

        She exhibited traits that the current regime covets above all else: The ability to attack the opponent at speed.

    • HOFCToDi

      Oh Poor Baby!

      GER has not beaten the USA since 13 March 2006 on penalty kicks no less.

      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Algarve_Cup

      • guest

        is your new Cut and Paste schtick about patriotism? better than singling out one woman.

      • Steglitz49

        Now tell us when before 2011 Japan beat the US? The stat I remember is that in 1999 the US inflicted the heaviest defeat on Japan by any team when the US won 9-0.

        In the OG-16 group game, Brazil inflicted the heaviest defeat on the Swedes, winning 5-1. About a week later, it availed nothing.

      • JL

        Games that go to penalties are draws. The shootout is not considered part of the game itself, but a tiebreaker to determine advancement.

        • HOFCToDi

          It was the final of the 2006 Algarve Cup.

  • Gary Diver

    So USWNT does not have any backs who are good at moving the ball forward. For many games over the past year or so the backs spend too much time passing the ball back and forth among each other as though nobody really wants it. Nobody feels comfortable moving the ball forward and most of the backs are not particularly good passing the ball forward. I would argue USWNT needs at least one back who is a whiz at moving the ball forward.

    • Frozen Blue

      I think that was the point of putting Long back there but here we are again with a game full of the back line making passes to one another. I will sympathize with Long a little though as she has Sauerbrunn and Short as helpers in her quest, talk about tying someone’s hand behind their back before a fight.

    • Steglitz49

      Maybe the USSF should send some backs abroad to play in leagues where balls are moved forward from the back line?

    • Constant Weeder

      I thought the backs did a good job, especially Sauerbrunn and Long, of sucking the Germans forward to create space in the midfield. At several points there were four or five Germans focused on Sauerbrunn, who still had time to get off an unpressured pass forward.

    • guest

      That would be Dunn…

  • wosofan

    The negativity here is always fun.

    • Kevin

      What negativity? People making comments that no one looked great today? That’s just honesty.

      • mockmook

        Sauerbrunn looked “great”.

        Dunn looked “great”

        • Kevin

          Definitely disagree about Sauerbrunn. She had a great game defensively but really struggled moving the ball forward again.

          I thought Dunn and Heath were the best two on the pitch last night.

          • tonysocref

            Agree on Dunn and Heath. Yet USSF gave Long the “Player of the Match”

          • mockmook

            I swear they throw darts for that award.

          • Kevin

            LOL… sometimes I think they decide who gets those before the match starts. If you asked me to name my top 5 for PotM, I probably wouldn’t name Long.

            USSF’s and/or Budweiser’s Player of the Match almost always leaves me scratching my head.

    • HOFCToDi

      Name the last time Germany women’s national football team lost the possession battle 56% to 44%?

      http://www.espnfc.us/matchstats?gameId=471366

      • Steglitz49

        Remember the Bomb in Brasilia?

        • Constant Weeder

          We don’t have to remember: you do it for us.

          • Guesting

            He is like a broken record.

          • HOFCToDi

            Steglitz49 suffers from delusions of grandeur. Never has a poster boasted of such grandiose failure:

            Sweden failed to qualify for the 2010 FIFA World Cup.

            Sweden failed to qualify for the 2014 FIFA World Cup.

            Sweden finished bottom of Group D at UEFA Euro 2012.

            Sweden finished bottom of Group E at UEFA Euro 2016.

        • HOFCToDi

          Sweden failed to qualify for the 2010 FIFA World Cup.

          Sweden failed to qualify for the 2014 FIFA World Cup.

        • HOFCToDi

          Sweden finished bottom of Group D at UEFA Euro 2012.

          en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Euro_2012#Group_D

          Sweden finished bottom of Group E at UEFA Euro 2016.

          en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Euro_2016#Group_E

    • HOFCToDi

      Half of the outfield players (10/20) currently on the USWNT roster for the 2017 SheBelieves Cup are under the age of 25:

      Johnston, Julie (DOB 06 April 1992)
      Dunn, Crystal (DOB 03 Jul 1992)
      Mewis, Samantha (DOB 09 Oct 1992)
      Brian, Morgan (DOB 26 Feb 1993)
      Williams, Lynn (DOB 21 May 1993)
      Sonnett, Emily (DOB 25 Nov 1993)
      Horan, Lindsey (DOB 26 May 1994)
      Lavelle, Rose (DOB 14 May 1995)
      Pugh, Mallory (DOB 29 April 1998)
      Pinto, Brianna (DOB 24 May 2000)

      • Gary Diver

        Out of curiosity, are you pleased with the current USWNT roster and Jill Ellis’s choices, decisions, and strategies/tactics? Is Ellis developing a team that can defend the WC in two years?

        • HOFCToDi

          Baby steps.

          You must stem from the culture of instant gratification.

      • Steglitz49

        Subs not used included Emily Sonnett (23), Rose Lavelle (21), and Brianna Pinto (16),

        as well as KO, JJ, Ali Krieger, Jess McDonald, Jane Campbell, and Ashlyn Harris.

    • HOFCToDi

      Samantha Mewis made her first start since 15 Sep 2016.

      ussoccer.com/womens-national-team/lineups/2016-lineups

    • HOFCToDi

      The arm chair analysts are defeated, yet again.

    • HOFCToDi

      Waaa! My player was not named to the squad!

      Waaa! My player does not start!

      Time to dispatch the wambulances!

  • Katie

    I’d like to see Heath’s GPS stats for the game, she was a work horse tonight. I hate seeing her have to defend so much though.

    • Nild

      While i agree, she was great tonight. Her defending was on point, just as her continuous change of positions on the field.

    • Randi

      Worked hard yes, but her set pieces? Totally off tonight. Need to be better.

      • Andy

        You and I have different opinions on what makes a good set piece. Heath was really good with them. Gave her teammates every opportunity to score off of them.

        • ohreferee

          For the record I attended yesterday’s matches ……Mind boggling to me that the USA has such poor set pieces. The wind???? Really ?? They are professionals for G-D’s sake As someone else said, it did not seem to disturb France …. They drove the ball in on set pieces not the floaters ….. But that is only one part of the equation …… Last year Tony DiCicco made a comment during a friendly regarding the fact that teams will deliberately foul the USA in order to avoid a dangerous situation because they know there set pieces are awful ….. It is endemic to the squad, ever since Rapinoe was injured and Holiday retired ….. What would it take for the team to take time to learn how to bend over the top or around a wall?

      • Bill

        Very windy conditions made some set pieces hard to execute for the kicker and the receivers

        • kernel_thai

          Did the wind pick up for the second match? France had no problem putting accurate crosses and corners into the box.

          • DNG

            Wind or no wind half of her services were very poor and the other half weren’t great. DM’s weren’t that great for Germany either though so make of that what you will. Majri was the French taker when she came on. She’s just better than Heath at taking set pieces.

          • kernel_thai

            Part of the problem with Heath is she was lofting them up into the air. France scored their goals on two pinpoint crosses in the same conditions. Both were low, driven balls.

          • DNG

            Heath can put a FK on a dime but she is not very consistent. Her accuracy seems to struggle the more tired her legs get too. She really needs to practice a lot more and I think she should stop taking them with alternate legs. She would get more consistency out of her practice if she wasn’t alternating legs all the time.

          • Bill

            imho, wind was uneven and did gust according to family who was that end of stadium. That said, our set pieces were weak sauce compared to the past efforts on her part, In addition, I would ask if our players seemed to stand around a bit more than the set piece aggressive players for whom we now deride for their weaknesses ( Morgan, etc)? I could not tell if we had bad tactics or bad execution and on whose end. Anyone break down this issue?

          • kernel_thai

            I think Sullivan may be the answer down the road. I like Heath on free kicks but her corners have never been consistent.

          • Steglitz49

            Her ACL must heal first.

          • nwslfan

            Yes, stronger winds as night progressed

      • Breakers fan

        She still is stuck on using her left on a bunch of them – occasionally they’re good but more often they’re average or worse. Her right leg is better. It’s her naturally dominant one and thus overall is more accurate and reliable, as I keep saying. Use it, Tobin!
        Besides that she did a lot of other good things.

  • Steglitz49

    I am sure you can argue about details in selection and must be mindful that a couple of their players are out with injuries and will miss Euro-17 but, nevertheless, a Germany of :
    1-Almuth Schult, 2-Josephine Henning, 4-Leonie Maier, 5-Babett Peter, 9-Alexandra Popp, 10-Dzsenifer Marozsan, 11-Anja Mittag (15-Mandy Islacker, 74), 13-Sara Däbritz, 14-Anna Blässe (7-Pauline Bremer, 69), 17-Isabel Kerschowski (29-Felicitas Rauch, 74), 18-Lena Petermann (23-Verena Faißt, 45)
    — is not to be sneezed at.

    I am much more worried about the new head coach: Steffi Jones. She has been a WoSo bureaucrat and the choice of her as NT head coach is baffling. Maybe she is keeping the post warm for someone who is gathering experience? She may yet surprise us but it is an odd choice.

    • Tom F

      incredible mess of a German team out there. Henning & Peter are simply atrociously slow CB’s, Mittag has only one goal to her credit in the Bundesliga, this year(why the heck did she start?) wingers Maier & Dabritz have ZERO. Maro should be at AM instead of DM. Popp can only score if she was an central striker, yet made AM in this game. Jones 2 new FB’s had repeatedly the ball stolen from them. Sure ,they were missing some players due to injury; Huth, Kemme, Goessling & Leupolz, but against a team as lightning quick as the US, Jones didn’t even use her faster players like Hendrich, Denman & Magull, or brought them out as late subs(Bremer & Islacker) I know the US usually seems to have Germany’s number, but at least Jones could of tried!

      • Steglitz49

        Jones tried. She is a soccer bureaucrat who has been handed the keys to the golden door. My theory is that she is a stop-gap who is keeping the seat warm for a greater one, whose bootlaces she is not worthy to untie.

        • dw

          Klinsmann?

          • Steglitz49

            Lagerbäck took the Norwegian kroner as did Sjögren and the latest rumor is that Pia will move to Lyon to take their Euros and charge for the next season.

          • dw

            Sorry, not comprehensible to me. And my Steg translator is on the fritz (not working like a well oiled machine).

          • Steglitz49

            You must know who Lars Lagerbäck is and you ought to know who Martin Sjögren is if you care about WoSo but you can be forgiven for blanking on Pia after the Bomb in Brasilia.

          • dw

            “Must”. You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

          • Steglitz49

            You know what The Volcano is, don’t you?

            As for must, “you must remember this, a kiss is just a kiss, a sigh is just a sigh. The fundamental things apply. As time goes by ….”

            Not that much time has passed since Lagerbäck and Sjögren were in the news.

  • Gary Diver

    It is too bad that USWNT has only two tournaments that are important and count in each four-year cycle. Friendlies are Friendlies (are exhibitions) and are completely forgotten over time, while the disaster at Brasilia will be forever remembered (as Steg likes to remind us).

    • Steglitz49

      Instead of the SB Cup the US could organize a cup between themselves, Canada, Mexico and Japan. Those all have an off year this year.

      The other option is to get some internal competition based on regions going. Divide the US into 8 regions and run some mini-tournament with a handsome trophy. After all, the Superbowl is just a local domestic cup.

      • guest

        Ellis was quoted as saying that USWNT will have matches later in the year with Brazil and with Japan. The NWSL 2017 schedule announced today has a end of July gap (no NWSL matches 23 Jul thru 3 August) within the FIFA window for UEFA women’s EUROs. some rumors that USWNT might schedule friendlies with Brazil and/or Japan in the gap.

        • Steglitz49

          I was only replying to Gary Diver’s “friendlies are friendlies” and agreeing with him that a meaningful tournament would be a boon in this off year.

          The current format of the SB Cup is fine as it goes but there is a crying need to grow the game within CONCACAF, where the US plays. How one grows it in COMEBOL is a good question but at least Colombia is trying. Thus, one could have Colombia with Mexico and Canada and the US in a local cup.

          The idea of an 8 team competiton was to fill the FIFA window, though that eats into the NWSL. Maybe the NWSL could take a break.

  • Steglitz49

    Will this game be seen as a Pyrrhic victory down the road in France in 2019?

    The pressure to reform the USWNT has been strong since the Bomb in Brasilia. Now, after defeating the current OG gold medalists, it will be too easy to conclude that all is well and all will be well and it will be right on the night, instead of being mindful that there is something rotten in the state of US WoSo and keeping up the pressure.

    • Gary Diver

      Very good point and I agree completely. With all the talent and resources that are available to USWNT, they should be a dominating team (which they are not). Also, USWNT should be the team that is the world standard of what a WoSo team should be aiming for in terms of formations, tactics, and team play (and they are not).

    • dw

      USWNT is working like a well oiled machine…

      • Steglitz49

        Seeing that neither they nor Australia won’t be in Euro-17, the Germans and Swedes can lie back and think of England.

        • Constant Weeder

          And hope to produce heirs?

          • Steglitz49

            If that takes their fancy and float their boats, yes.

    • Constant Weeder

      No one who watched that game would conclude that all is well with either team. Also, both the roster and the tactics were quite different from the Olympics, and my guess is that the next game will see a different starting eleven. This is the time and place for experimenting – the most important end product is not the meaningless trophy, but information (and experience, for the younger players).

      • mockmook

        “my guess is that the next game will see a different starting eleven”

        You are betting against JE’s track record. I hope you are right.

    • HOFCToDi

      Steglitz49 suffers from delusions of grandeur. Never has a poster boasted of such grandiose failure:

      Sweden failed to qualify for the 2010 FIFA World Cup.

      Sweden failed to qualify for the 2014 FIFA World Cup.

      Sweden finished bottom of Group D at UEFA Euro 2012.

      Sweden finished bottom of Group E at UEFA Euro 2016.

      • Steglitz49

        Sweden booted the USWNT out of the 2016 Olympics.

        For the first time ever the US did not get a medal of any description in an Olympic WoSo.
        The FIRST time EVER. Booted out. Weighed in the balance and found wanting. NO medal. Useless. Good for nothing layabouts.

        As for BroSo, Zlatan is King of Manchester. There was King Eric; now it is King Zlatan.

  • Timber Dave

    Will France kill us in midfield? Our inability to pass out of the back is going to kill us against them. Maybe we’ll be saved when they can’t finish (again), but that won’t be from any virtue the US has.

    • HOFCToDi

      2016 Rio Olympics

      USA 1 FRA 0
      CAN 1 FRA 0

    • DNG

      If France finishes their chances, I don’t think the US will be able to beat them. That’s a big if though.

      • Silver Frost

        Who said FRA will finish chances?

        • dw

          Napoleon, maybe?

        • DNG

          Not I. I clearly said if.

  • Gary Diver

    USWNT used to be the world standard of a WoSo team. But in the past couple of years, they have had Achilles heels. At WC15 it was the Carli Lloyd-Lauren Holiday combo which was fixed by the referee who forced Jill Ellis to make changes. At OG16 it was the inability to come up with a workable strategy against rope-a-dope soccer and the vulnerability against a counter-attack. USWNT was not able to fix those problems and lost. Now we have a back line which cannot effectively move the ball forward, a less than convincing MF, and still a vulnerability against the counter-attack. At major tournaments, good teams are going to attack those Achilles heels.

    • Kevin

      “At WC15 it was the Carli Lloyd-Lauren Holiday combo which was fixed by the referee who forced Jill Ellis to make changes.”

      The Carli Lloyd-Lauren Holiday combo produced 0 goals.

      Excluding the midfield shot, Lloyd scored every goal off a set piece or PK, all of which had nothing to do with where she was playing on the field…

      vs Colombia – PK
      vs China – set piece (free kick)
      vs Germany – PK
      vs Japan – set piece (corner), set piece (free kick), midfield shot

      • mockmook

        Right, but Gary is saying the refs broke up that combo (and that was good for the team). Lloyd was magnified as a defensive liability when she was deep in the midfield.

    • HOFCToDi

      You must have missed the last decade.

      The USWNT failed to reach the final of the 2003 FIFA Women’s World Cup and the final of the 2007 FIFA Women’s World Cup.

    • dw

      Pardon me for not being remotely close to understanding what “fixed by the referee” means.

      • Gary Diver

        The suspensions of Megan Rapinoe and Lauren Holiday after the Colombia match forced Jill Ellis to find another partner for Carli Lloyd. Analysis of previous matches, including the Colombia match, showed Lloyd and Holiday moved on the field as a single unit. You can tract the two player from the match video and they did move on the field like a player and her shadow. That consistently created holes on the field which was not defended. In essence, the inclusion of Morgan Brian fixed the problem of the holes in defense.

        • dw

          Got it. I was also one who identified that when Holiday was CAM and Lloyd was DM, Holiday was constantly tripping over Lloyd. I did not think the converse was true anywhere near as much.

  • dispassionate observer

    JILL’S NEW SYSTEM TAKING ROOTS……..
    Any serious student of soccer would readily admit that the 3-4-1-2 formation rolled out against Germany signaled a promising start; especially given the fact that it was the team’s first outing in almost four months. It might help a lot to watch a few Chelsea games in the English Premier League to appreciate Jills’ efforts regarding tactics and player responsibilities in the new system.

    USWNT’s variation of Anthony Conte’s 3-4-3 employs wingbacks instead of halfbacks. These are attacking halfbacks when the team is on the counter attack.Tobin Heath was busier defensively because the system requires the wing back to drop back and defend when the opponent mounts counter attacks.Any slack exposes the weakness of the system.Only versatile and physically fit players can make the system work.Crystal Dunn played as a wing back; meaning more defensive duties against better teams like Germany. The American wingbacks played their roles well to neutralize German advances from the wings. The Germans were made to look ineffective by good defensive play by the wingbacks and centerbacks.

    • Weltmeister

      The Last game of the German Bundesliga was sunday,monday the fly to the usa and wednesday the game.
      Not Bad Play from Germany for this Situation.

      • dw

        You must have watched a different game.

  • dw

    Our back 3 looked very solid. Kudos to Long, Short, and Naeher, who all looked to make steps forward. Mewis also had a solid game as well.

    Aly Wagner summed it up with “I think Germany has real problems.” To me they exhibited “tomato can” speed. Both physical speed and moving the ball.

    All in all, though, the game was an excellent advertisement for becoming a fan of a different sport. The so-called best 2 teams in the world, and it was awful watching. Abysmal, really.

    • Steglitz49

      Solid is as solid does. Sweden beat Australia 1-0 but it could as well have been 3-0 and even 5-0, the woodwork saving the Matildas on two occassions and two others sneaked just outside.

      Meanwhile Australia dominated the first half and the closing 10-15 min of the 2nd half but could not slot it in. In some cases the goal was yawning wide open and yet they miseed. Granted, Lindahl was having an excellent game.

  • dw

    Oh, and Lynn Williams is well on her way to making Press obsolete.

    • guest

      i was thinking she is the new alex morgan. her game seems to be more similar to her.

      • Kevin

        Press will be 30 at the 2019 WC and Alex turns 30 two days after the finals.

        The odds of them not losing a step and being 100% healthy are pretty slim, especially Alex given her injury history.

        I think Press and Morgan might be fighting for the spot up front with Williams who will be turning 26 a few days before the 2019 WC begins.

        Hopefully, Press and Morgan stay healthy and don’t lose a step, but Williams definitely has more upside for 2019 right now. She didn’t have the best game tonight, but you can see the potential.

        The announcers said she almost ran track instead of playing soccer… you can definitely see her speed.

        • dw

          Agree with the above, and I would throw in the possibility of another younger forward leapfrogging Press. But not Alex.

          • Steglitz49

            I was a bit surprised that JE asked Alex to travel. She knows she has to include her, so why bother?

          • guest

            Press has won the starting job over Alex, last time I checked

          • dw

            then you should go and check again.

        • guest

          what? 30 is still prime age for a soccer player. Lloyd peaked at 33. Press is going to be on that 2019 team, i predict as a captain and starter. She’s getting better and better.

          • Kevin

            LOL… Lloyd didn’t peak at 33. You’re clearly not watching all the games and just looking at the statistical recaps if you think that.

            I never said Press wouldn’t make the team, but I highly doubt she’ll be the captain over more capped players like Lloyd, Sauerbrunn, Heath or Alex.

            30 is near the end of a players prime if they stay healthy, which Morgan obviously isn’t.

            Williams is 23 now and will turn 26 a week before the 2019 WC starts. She might fly past Morgan and Press in two years.

      • dw

        Right, but Alex is the chosen one. She isn’t going anywhere in 2 years barring retirement, injury, or 200% loss of form.

    • guest

      you are insane. that goal was ALL press. Press should have received player of the match.

    • huh?? It’d Morgan if anyone..

    • CED

      You’re delusion is noted.

  • guest

    julie johnston can’t be happy she got replaced by a player that’s never even regularly played CB before.

    • Guest

      She should be tried as a DM instead of Brian/Horan

  • mockmook

    WHERE WAS LAVELLE?

    I hope the uninspiring midfield play has earned her a look against England.

    • #1Fan

      in what role though ? in the “hole” as the #10 ? Instead of Brain or Mewis ? I dont see where she fits in this formation.

      • DNG

        I think they could find a role for her in the midfield 3. Lloyd has to go though. I kind of want to see the team go back to a 4-3-3 but it seems as if getting as many forwards on the field as possible takes precedent.

        • #1Fan

          i guess thats my point. Lloyd remains the obstruction here.

        • dw

          I know the world is full of haters, but can anyone honestly make the case for Rose Lavelle to displace Carli Lloyd in our lineup? Because that seems ridiculous.

          • DNG

            Hard to know until she gets to play. Lloyd was atrocious last night so the bar is pretty low.

          • dw

            Atrocious is a bit of the hyper-bowl.

          • DNG

            Perhaps atrocious is too strong but she was poor and the worst outfield player for me. She gave the ball away a ton, did not do a good job of making her self an option for passers(Williams and Press checked to receive more often), she wasn’t required to press all that much, she didn’t really defend or track back. I think you can count the number of positive plays from her on one hand(almost all coming after the game opened up) and she was given a free role to create and get on the end of chances. I don’t think she has played anywhere near good enough or been productive enough to justify that free role.

      • dw

        Agreed. Last time I checked, “a smaller version of Morgan Brian” was not high on our player needs list.

      • mockmook

        I’d play the 3-5-2/3-4-1-2 with a double pivot, probably Lavelle and Brian (using this roster).

        Yes Lavelle is small-ish, but reads the game well and can defend. Fishlock is smaller, often plays DM, but I don’t hear many complaining about her size.

        • #1Fan

          all good. I dont think size is an issue either

  • dw

    Horan up top is a good sign. More, please.

    • NYRick

      Horan fouls way too much, due to slow foot speed and positioning. So to your point, yes she should be a forward not a midfielder on this team. If not, then they should move on from here and inject the Lavelles of the world into the mix in the midfield. Especially with Brian not looking exactly sharp.

      • dw

        Well, if a new CBA is somewhere over the horizon, players will need to compete at their best posision, instead of “well, you’re guaranteed a spot, we’ll find you one somewhere…”

        If Horan isn’t good enough, fair enough, but as you say at mid, she just occupying a spot that we could use on a better mid.

        In your forward types, Horan is a Type 1, and we have missed that option since about 5 years before Abby’s retirement.

        • NYRick

          Agreed. Horan is being played out of position, I think due to Lloyd needing to make to WC19, which is ridiculous. Horan is a talent, but has been misused. Not much different than many of them in this program. Williams emergence is kind of a nightmare to her as well because they roadblocks her a bit from being a full-time forward in terms of how they think and devise the roster.

          • dw

            Absolutely true. Horan, could be odd woman out if she can’t establish herself as a striker type 1, because she is being overrun at mid by up and comers.

          • kernel_thai

            Up and comers. Which is funny because Horan is what…22?

    • ay

      She got a yellow after 10min, I don’t think that she has enough control to be a starter

  • Silver Frost

    Odd that Ellis had to keep urging Lloyd to play further up the field. As a “midfield” player Lloyd is always up top playing forward anyway. In the 2nd half it looked like Lloyd was taking the advice and she had more opportunities on the ball. She was unselfish with Press.

  • dw

    And the red kits suck… (but not as bad as the Germans tyring to pass themselves off as the Irish).

  • The Oracle

    Lynn Williams is the typical talented American forward. Super fast and strong. Athletic… but technique needs some work.

    • dw

      Prototypical, even.

      • NYRick

        US forwards come in 3 forms in the US Soccer Animal Kingdom:

        1. BULL: (Akers, Abby, Lloyd)
        2. DEER: (Hamm, Morgan, maybe an early Syd, and now Williams)
        3. SWAN: (Press and hopefully a few more like her down the road).

        • dw

          Right, Williams is a combo of 1 and 2. Speed and power. IMO 3 need not apply, and anyway the system churns out 1s and 2s by the bus-full.

          • NYRick

            You are anointing Williams a little early. She has potential but let’s see her after 25 caps, 50 caps.

            I like to see version 3 out there for soccer reasons. And as much as you won’t admit (and quite frankly at this point I don’t care anymore), Press has really improved as an overall player on the pitch. I think she is a hands-down starter. She is really (and you need to watch this closely) the only US player on the pitch who understands the ball needs to leave her feet in seconds upon touch. She used to force things, and now she stopped doing that and is more effective. Much better defender than given credit for as well.

          • #1Fan

            the Williams type is , in my opinion , the cop out, low hanging fruit. That type of player will ALWAYS experience a certain level of success in WoSo becasue p[premium athleticism with limited soccer “smarts” is enough to be a full blown international.

            To read the articles today, one would think Williams had a great game. I thought she had some good moments, but some painfully awful ones. The one where she received the ball in good space top of the box and somehow failed to control and get a shot away was so so bad. That trumped the goal for me. The goal was a series of unlucky ( x bar) then lucky bounces.

            The last 2 NWSL MVP/ scoring champs have one thing in common Speed/Strength > technique. its no coincidence

            im not against it at all, but I think it needs toi be called what it is.

            pace dominates WoSo like no other asset.

          • NYRick

            If I recall, I believe you are the commentator with a daughter who is in the program or on the cusp of the program (good luck to her). But you would know this much better than I. One of my good friends had a daughter in NJ high school soccer program (a powerhouse program) and he said the same exact thing you are saying about pace. The fast athletic girl is going to do very well in WoSo. If she has size and strength, like Williams, like Morgan and even Press than she ascends in the program. Press is the anomaly because she went to Europe early and saw a different game than what she was initially taught in the US.

          • #1Fan

            He is correct. it is not BroSo. Its interesting that they are trying to change the messaging at the Youth levels, but resort to it when it “matters”

          • Steglitz49

            Fast athletic boys do OK in BroSo too — like CR7 and Zlatan.

          • ay

            Agree on all points. And I already knew with her goal yesterday, that a huge part of the journalists and fans would just ignore her medicore game before it and hype her up

          • #1Fan

            thing is, if you put some pace on the German team, they would beat the US easily. Because the speed would stop the US from being able to compress the game and would open the midfield. Once you do that , the technical superiority would show through. Its the same with Japan. If you put real pace up top for them. they would be very hard to beat.

            The USA are a very effective team. They really are, but the style the play is just not very pleasing to the eye. Lloyd needs to go.

          • HOFCToDi

            #1Fan is a blithering idiot, a clueless moron, and a worthless troll.

          • Steglitz49

            Come on –pace dominates BroSo too — just look at the blinding acceleration (and speed) that Cruyff had and he is not the only one in the history of BroSo

            Get a grip.

          • Guest

            Elite athleticism and pace is dominant in the mens game too. Even before he developed better touch Gareth Bale was a dominant player. Granted he is also a good finisher.

          • #1Fan

            its not . Bale only became what he is when he improved technically. Walcott is not an established En International starter,. Adama Traore is lightning. Its hard to find mens examples mainly becasue you really cannot get to any sort of higher level with mianly pure speed.

            In BroSo you need more. Its not a knock, its just the truth. it should be that way.

          • NYRick

            Usain Bolt said a couple of years ago that he wanted to try out and play forward for Man Utd. He apparently has a soccer background a bit, so that could have been interesting in relation to your theory.

          • #1Fan

            the fact that he has not tried says a lot 🙂

          • Steglitz49

            Zlatan got there first.

          • Kevin

            He also said he wanted to try out to be an NFL wide receiver.

          • Constant Weeder

            Pace is becoming a prerequisite. It’s very hard to either attack or defend against someone who can simply catch up with you, or leave you behind. At present there are few players who have both pace and technique (not to mention soccer IQ), but they’re coming. Pugh and Ashley Lawrence come immediately to mind.

          • #1Fan

            in a team that understands space, angles and passes well, extreme pace is not needed. Elite speed with relatively basic technique will get you a long long way in WoSo.

            Coming? both are already full internationals with several caps.

          • DNG

            I think a good example of this is the u17 Ghana team versus the u17 Japan team in the u17 World Cup. The Ghana team that was able to overmatch the u17 u.s. team physically was completely torn to shreds by Japan.

          • #1Fan

            totally correct.

          • Constant Weeder

            What I meant was that Pugh and Lawrence are harbingers of the future of WoSo. They’re here already, but there are more in the pipeline.
            Extreme pace may not be needed, as you say, but there has always been a threshold – it’s always been possible to be too slow, regardless of other qualities. What I’m saying is that the threshold is rising.

          • #1Fan

            the pace threshold or technical threshold ..or both 🙂

          • Constant Weeder

            I was referring to the pace threshold, but for the fast players, the technical threshold is rising as well. In the past, speedy young players haven’t needed to hone their ball skills, but in the future it won’t be enough to be just fast or just good on the ball. I suspect, and hope, that the difference at the elite level will be soccer IQ.

          • #1Fan

            Maybe. I hope you are right.

          • Steglitz49

            acceleration, not speed. 40 yd dash.

          • dw

            I understand why you want the type 3. But this regime isn’t going to support the changes in playing style needed, other than having a token player. We all had dreams of what post Abby-ball might look like, and for the most part they weren’t realized. And I don’t think that type of player is a good fit at striker either. If you could, put her in CL’s position, but that won’t happen either. So, we are back to what you accurately described before as a “strange outsider”. Yes her skills are definitely worthy of inclusion on the squad, but she’ll never be a good fit anywhere. Certainly, she’s accepted and locked in by the CBA, but your “strange outsider” label still fits to a large degree. And yes it is too early to call on Williams, but if she still has upside potential in her, she could very well be our #1 striker at WWC19. To date she exhibits everything this program is looking for.

          • Steglitz49

            How about a Shark, Great Horned Owl and Platypus to add to the menagerie?

          • A_Dog_Without_A_Clutch

            Great Horned Owl = Sauerbrunn

          • Steglitz49

            Maybe we can invent categories like —
            VULTURE
            HYENA
            JACKAL
            JACKASS

          • dw

            Those are reserved for posters on these forums.

          • Steglitz49

            There was a Spanish male player whose nickname was the Vulture. It was a play on his name, I think.

            The Grenoli were the Professor, the Gunner and the Baron, respectively.

          • NYRick

            An old baseball relief pitcher, Phil Reagan, was nicknamed the Vulture by Sandy Koufax primarily because he would enter tie games 1-1 in the late innings and his team would score and he, not the starting pitcher, would get the win.

          • A_Dog_Without_A_Clutch
          • A_Dog_Without_A_Clutch

            Vulutue = Lloyd
            Janeass = Rapinoe
            Kestral = Heath

          • #1Fan

            I am going to contradict you there. it doesn’t. It may sound from my comments like I think they are common , but they really are not. The subtle difference is when I am talking speed/athletes I mean women/girls who could have run track at a VERY VERY high level.

            Elite athletes are rare.

          • dw

            No, you’re right. There is a marked difference between soccer speed and track speed. The German WNT needs to find someone just on the outside of high level/elite track and convert them to forward.

          • #1Fan

            the US do produce a lot of elite athletes on a relative basis. Girls whose parents can afford soccer are moving towards it as a means to an end. Its very interesting and telling that a Williams can bypass the sport till very late and then become a full International on primarily her athleticism and hard work.

            Could not happen in BroSo

        • Steglitz49

          “Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee” — springs to mind.

  • Guest

    As Wagner said “Germany has real problems.” What is going on there…

    • The Oracle

      they lost a lot of players to injury and retirement.

    • Steglitz49

      “Götterdämmerung” rather than the Ride of the Valkyries?

    • guest

      back line issues. too slow.

      • dw

        Front line issues. too slow.

        • JL

          Germany doesn’t have speed, period. They had that player in Alushi, but she retired a few days ago.

    • NYRick

      Real problem is no Sasic means no scorer. Mittag is getting old and they haven’t developed a dynamic forward…yet. Give it time. It’s a solid program.

      • guest

        oh wow.. i thought mittag was in her mid to late 20s… didn’t realize she is 31. yeah they need new forwards. where was popp playing last night?

  • Reality

    Some observations on the game and the future of development toward WC2019…

    1. The back 3 seemed to do all right on defense, but keep in mind the German team was missing their OG2016 Gold lineup of Behringer, Goeßling, Laudher, Leupolz, Kemme, Huth, Bartusiak, and Krahn who are all injured/retired. The back 3’s contribution to offense was rather paltry consisting of mostly passing the ball amongst themselves with little penetration of the German defense or effective connection to our midfield. This back 3 experiment needs a back capable of moving the ball forward.
    2. The midfield was once again “blessed” with Lloyd’s presence and as usual she proved to be an impediment to the smooth flow and run of play in connection to the forward line. The broadcast crew was saying that Ellis wanted Lloyd to move forward. While that would have gotten her out of the way, it leaves a hole in the midfield and only allows her to disrupt the forward line instead. Since Ellis made Lloyd a Captain, she must be utilized in some capacity but it would be best off the bench in selected situations. Put Pugh or Horan in and let Brian act as a #10.
    3. Press and Williams had some good moments as a new tandem up front and show potential for the future in complementing each other on the front line. Williams shares a number of qualities with Morgan and could conceivably be her stand in or even replacement for the future. Press had one of her maddening games where she gets herself free in beautiful moves and then misses a goal by inches off the wood. Nevertheless, she set up Williams’s goal and it wouldn’t have happened otherwise. Ellis seems to be increasingly appreciating Press’s contribution to the team…
    “We wanted to press, and we need a forward that makes sure they can physically commit to the game on both sides of the ball,” Ellis said. “So Christen committed to that, and I think her work rate has been tremendous. Now couple that with I think she’s a natural goal-scorer, she’s always getting behind, she’s always off the shoulder. She’s just done well in training, and you’ve got to reward that.”

    http://www.goal.com/en-us/news/11102/us-womens-team/2017/03/02/33212182/press-leaves-an-impression-three-thoughts-on-the-uswnts-win-over-

    If Ellis starts using Press regularly as a starter for 90″ instead of Lloyd, the goals will start coming in and it will fit much better into the future development of the NT.

    • #1Fan

      i dont think Press and Williams combined much at all . took turns running at defenders .

      • Reality

        As you know, it is also how they run against defenders together that can disrupt the defense. They have only started to play together and can naturally complement each other just as Morgan and Press might have if they had ever been paired on a regular basis.

        • #1Fan

          not so sure. but would happily give it time. Williams looks like a willing passer. Just needs to sharpen up a bit technically. I like her.

          • NYRick

            On the play where Williams beat her defender and runs in alone inside the box and shot it high from about 8 feet away…she had Press for an easy tap in on the left. This is the play I’d like to see US players make. Not singling out Williams, but this is what would truly ascend the women’s game if plays like that started happening. I think all US forwards feel they have to score to be relevant to get minutes. A work rate and smarts is more effective.

          • #1Fan

            I agree. But ill take baby steps at this point.

          • JL

            Missing easy shots from a few yards away is nothing new for Williams. That’s probably my biggest annoyance with her- her lack of efficiency. Saw it a number of times with the Flash the last two seasons.

          • #1Fan

            I hear this all the time and my response is the same. Ill take the player who gets the chances. its often that elite athlete who gets on the end of things that no one else would so its a moot point.

          • dw

            Very valid points, until you realize she won the Golden Boot, scored the “equalizer” in the dying seconds of the Championship game, then converted her penalty en route to winning the Championship. Unacceptable lack of efficiency that. It’s not the ones you miss so much as the ones you make.

          • Steglitz49

            The steel of Aya Miyama. Worth its weight in gold.

        • NYRick

          How ironic? For over 3 years we’ve been pleading for Press-Morgan, when it may just turn out to be Press-Williams instead. I do think there is something up with Morgan though. Someone above said maybe she is pregnant or certainly thinking about it (her business but it would be the perfect time in the team cycle for it). I do think she is an achiever who feels the need to excel and she certainly has to now feel more pressure with the emergence of Williams (who is a player very similar to her in skill set).

    • NYRick

      1. I didn’t realize Germany was missing that many players from the August team. I didn’t think they looked very sharp, and DZ looked pretty aloof and not caring out there (she is kind of an enigma). I do think Long may prove to be solid in the Back 3. One thing I do like about her back there is that she thinks moving the ball forward, not the back pass to the keeper as was the norm in the backline.

      2. Don’t get me started on Lloyd in the “midfield.” I really wanted to see Lavelle tonight for 20 minutes at least. Also, I think Lloyd is rescinding the game of Brian as to her development, much like she did to Holiday. You have two fast forwards like Press and Williams and not much service since the midfield gets bossed, even by Germany’s second team.

      3. Ellis’s comments about Press’s play are encouraging for her future minutes. It seems Morgan is not 100% right now, so we’ll see how that develops in terms of starting full time up front. Press hitting the post today after a brilliant play to create the goal and the shot is maddening. Must be post #38 in her NT career. She needs to understand that women keepers are rarely 6 feet tall and she is not shooting against Courtious, DeGea, Neuer or Cech. Aim lower Christen!

      • dw

        You guys do realize this is still the “Carli ball” era, right?

        • NYRick

          Two time PoY. I get it. We can dream though.

      • #1Fan

        on point 3 …

        Williams is faster and stronger than Morgan Press is more skilled.

        Its not clear to me that Morgan is an obvious starter.

        • DNG

          If Williams can shape up on her finishing(Morgan’s really hasn’t been great either), I don’t see any reason to start Morgan other than star power. Williams does everything Morgan can but is faster and stronger.

          • kernel_thai

            Williams needs to improve her finishing to lay claim to that spot. Both of her goals were handed to her and while she has done a good job making other chances for herself, at this point she seems most adept at making a chance into a half chance.

          • #1Fan

            but presently at least she is making the chance. The way the Us offence seems to be off pressure and winning balls high, you need an athlete for that.

            We are not looking for a sniper to sit on the end of well worked moves and converter at a high rate.

          • DNG

            I honestly can’t say what Ellis is looking for at this point or what she want the identity of the team to be. Her first team selection seems to be at odds with what she tells the press.

          • #1Fan

            I agree completely

          • kernel_thai

            A lot of it just depends on how much weight u give an actual goal. Truth is the ball finished by Williams is finished by anyone whereas the shot missed by Press seconds before probably is only created by Press on that team. Im much more interested in the two chances Williams had that didn’t work out after the goal where she created something out of nothing. That’s what Ellis should be caring about.

          • #1Fan

            so quite a few”something from nothings” at least 3 …not too many built up to somethings .

            Work in progress

          • guest

            sad but true. Would love to have a midfield maestro to entertain and then send a killer ball through to an athlete. Or make magic with Heath and Press. But no, instead we have a late model clunker causing a traffic jam.

          • Nat

            I think Williams is an excellent player, paying in the National team comes with great responsibility and takes time to adapt, her nerves need to calm down and play with confidence, I see a bright future for her. I like her height, her speed and toughness. that is what we were lacking after Abby left.

      • Reality

        In the past, Press’s talent and skills were not germane to the setup and style of previous NT lineups. However, I think now that Press has found her team and style of play or perhaps the NT has discovered that Press is now the right player for the right time going forward.

        • NYRick

          We’ll see hopefully. I’d like to see her have a big game Tuesday night against France. That will cement her as a mainstay maybe to WC19.

          • #1Fan

            i think you have to be patient. No single game this early should vault anyone to WC19.

          • NYRick

            Press has been in the program for now a good 4 years. It’s now or never for her. She was pretty solid last night. A good game, or even a big game to help win the SBC, will help her standing with Ellis immensely. That’s how this coaching staff thinks. Carli’s milked the WC15 final to fame and fortune and a spot on the WC19 no team without question.

          • Steglitz49

            Carli had scored the winning goals in the OG-08 and OG-12 finals before she got to WC-15.

          • NYRick

            At OG08 no one cared. Not much coverage on the team. At OG12, Morgan stole her thunder with the 123rd minute semi winner.

          • HOFCToDi

            No, you don’t care.

          • Steglitz49

            I am with NYRick on this one. The coaches and managers should see beyond but for the American people OG-08 was out of sight out of mind while Alex’s most famous goal remains a header.

          • HOFCToDi

            Steglitz49 suffers from delusions of grandeur. Never has an individual boasted of such grandiose failure:

            Sweden failed to qualify for the 2010 FIFA World Cup.

            Sweden failed to qualify for the 2014 FIFA World Cup.

            Sweden finished bottom of Group D at UEFA Euro 2012.

            Sweden finished bottom of Group E at UEFA Euro 2016.

          • Steglitz49

            Please see my comment elsewhere.

            August 2016. The Glorious 12th.

            The Bomb in Brasilia does not lie. The USWNT were sent packing by the Swedes. For the first time ever no medal of any sort for the USWNT in an Olympic WoSo.

            FIRST time EVER. Weighed in the balance and found wanting. Good for nothing layabouts. Overpaid etc.

            Meanwhile in BroSo Zlatan is King in Manchester, like Eric once was.

        • Steglitz49

          Dream on.

    • kernel_thai

      So, here’s the question…if Morgan starts against England or France, is it for Williams or Press?

      • NYRick

        If we are being fair, it’s for Williams. And btw Morgan will start against England. The real question is who starts against France? That’s basically for the SBC title (which the US no doubt wants to win) and that will be very telling.

        • kernel_thai

          Yep, Morgan & Williams r similar so ud think one of them would be paired with Press. But that’s earth logic and we don’t know exactly where Ellis is from.

          • Reality

            Ellis is an officially certified cyborg coach created in the USSF workshop.

          • kernel_thai

            Or the USSoccer propaganda machine.

      • Reality

        Indeed…inquiring minds want to know.

        • #1Fan

          what about press Williams and Morgan all playing together … Lloyd needs to sit down. Honestly, she could be the one athlete IN MY LIFE with the biggest gap between reality and perception(awards) I have EVER seen

          • DNG

            My vote is for another midfielder but I’d make this compromise.

          • Reality

            Well, the only way that Press, Williams and Morgan will all be on the pitch at the same time is if Lloyd gives permission for Ellis to do that.

          • Bruce

            I wouldn’t want to see Williams and Morgan both on the pitch at the same time. They are more or less redundant and neither contributes much to the greater team, IMHO.

            Would much rather see Press and Horan with one of the two. I’d even prefer Press and Dunn with Morgan/Williams since Crystal is such a disruptive force in breaking the shape of a back line.

          • Reality

            Being serious for a moment, I would agree with your prescription for best utilization.

          • #1Fan

            Interesting that you see Dunn as different

          • Bruce

            I think Dunn brings something different when playing in from a wide position, whereas Morgan and Williams are basically making vertical runs centrally for most of the game.

            Playing Morgan and Williams together really just crowds the center of the field, forcing a (hopefully) more creative attacker to the wing. I’m thinking I’d rather have a workhorse collapsing the edge of a back line than just two players running the width of a bowling lane all night.

          • Steglitz49

            Forget Press.

          • kernel_thai

            In the Wednesday formation (as we never know what Saturday will bring) Morgan and Williams might make a good pair if u put Press behind them in Lloyds spot.

          • NYRick

            That would being like asking Donald Trump to never utter the words, “Big League” again.

          • Reality

            Not to mention “greatest”, “best”, “fantastic”, “terrific”, “tremendous”, etc.

          • NYRick

            The man at some point in his life really learned his descriptive adjectives for hyperbole.

          • Reality

            The superlative degree of description seems to be the norm.

          • AlexH

            You for got “believe me”

          • guest

            More like ask Donald Trump to speak in full sentences and make sense when not looking at a teleprompter

          • kernel_thai

            Lloyd has it in her USSF contract that even if she accidentally gives permission it’s to be ignored for the greater good of soccer and the USA.

      • Steglitz49

        Why should Alex start? Brian, maybe.

      • Frozen Blue

        I think she starts for Williams and subs at half or 60′ as she is still recovering from too many things to list.

        • kernel_thai

          If so that’s a big step for Press who has for too long been considered the other option.

          • Reality

            A big step for someone who has been waiting for 4 years? I’d say it was about time…in fact way over time. Williams is the rookie and has yet to prove herself.

          • kernel_thai

            Which is why I said “too long”. The other side is Ellis has a history of having different standards for different player. Press and Dunn for example always seem to have be constantly proving themselves.

          • Steglitz49

            Hitting the woodwork looks spectacular but it is the goals that count.

      • HOFCToDi

        Alex Morgan is currently recovering from the stomach flu, food poisoning, and an ankle injury. Jill Ellis already knows what she has in Alex Morgan.

        Calendar Year 2016
        FIFA Top 12 Ranked Opponents
        USWNT Goals Scored
        Morgan (DOB 02 Jul 1989) – 6
        Lloyd (DOB 16 Jul 1982) – 2
        Horan (DOB 26 May 1994) – 2
        Long (DOB 13 Aug 1987) – 1
        Heath (DOB 29 May 1988) – 1
        Johnston (DOB 06 Apr 1992) – 1
        Dunn (DOB 03 Jul 1992) – 1
        Mewis (DOB 09 Oct 1992) – 1

        • Steglitz49

          Why even bother to bring Alex into this camp and SBC? Seems needless. Leave her in Lyon to recover.

  • guest

    i think alex is pregnant. is that her stomachbug?

    • dw

      Surprised Steg didn’t beat you to it. Possibly, but I would think AM is in a position to just shut it down completely rather than take pre-natal risks.

      • Steglitz49

        Lira Alushi played in the 2015 Champions League final, when she was about 3 months underway but she could not make it to WC-15, though seeing as she already had won the WC in 2007, maybe it was not such a big deal to miss it.

        • NYRick

          Jack Youngblood once played a full game in the Super Bowl with a broken leg (not realized until after the game). I think that tops Alushi.

          • A_Dog_Without_A_Clutch
          • NYRick

            You win. I love Pistol Pete. Read his autobiography, “Pistol” by Mark Krieger. It’s fantastic and an incredible story into one of the most unique and talented athletes the country has ever produced.

          • MrTemecula

            The Machine by Joe Posnanski is a book about the Big Red Machine. One of the best baseball team ever to take the field. As a Dodgers fan, I hated them because they played in the same division during that time and were impossible to beat, but they had Hall of Fame talent at nearly every position and played at their peak at the same time. Posnanski is a terrific writer.

          • NYRick

            The Big Red machine always kind of lacked in starting pitching. They never really had that true stud, and I don’t put Don Gullett in that category. But the 8 position players who took the field were an incredible lineup. Never quite got how Cesar Geronimo cracked that lineup (I guess post Bobby Tolan), but it is probably the best game in game out lineup ever put on the field in MLB.

          • MrTemecula

            They had Sparky who was way ahead of his time in using the pen so starting pitching never really killed them. That lineup, though: Bench, Perez, Morgan, Conception, Rose, Foster, Griffey, Geronimo. That lineup would be worth half a billion in salaries in today’s money.

          • Steglitz49

            I thought that the Big red Machine was the hockey team of the Soviet Union that destroyed Canada 8-1 in 1981. A Canada with Gretzky, Trottier, LaFleur etc.

          • MrTemecula

            A weak facsimile of the original. A group of American college kids were able to beat that Soviet team.

          • Steglitz49

            Your conclusion, therefore, is that Gretzky, LaFleur and Trottier etc were useless and overrated.

            An interesting position to take, one with which few if any Canadians would agree, though when I learnt that the “enforcers” were forbidden from dealing with Gretzky, he lost some of his shine for me.

          • MrTemecula

            No. What I implied is that the original Big Red Machine never lost to a bunch of kids in their most important sports series…unlike the Soviets.

          • Steglitz49

            What you have written, you have written.

            I don’t know how old you are and whether you remember the Berlin Wall but to some of us in sport, the Big Red Machine will always be the guys in red who had CCCP on their outfits.

            The greatest of them all was Salming, of course. Just ask the Torontoians, the ones that disdained taking part in WC-15.

          • MrTemecula

            No, Steg, I did not write “Gretzky, LaFleur and Torttier etc were useless and overrated.” You wrote that.

            I remember the Berlin Wall. I also remember the original Big Red Machine from the 70’s that predates the great Soviet hockey teams of the 80’s. I am just going by this wikipedia article so it may be inaccurate and you might be right and Europeans were calling the Soviet hockey team the Big Red Machine before the Cincinnati baseball team.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Five

          • Steglitz49

            Although the Soviet Union national hockey team won its first world championship in 1954, the same year as the Miracle of Bern incidentally, it was in 1963 that their great dominance of hockey started.

            The 1980 Lake Placid OG was not the only hiccup, granted, but it was politically and emotionally charged, just like the 1954 soccer WC and also the 2011 ladies WC.

          • Bruce

            Carli Lloyd once played an entire career while suffering from a congenital lack of charisma. True story.

          • Steglitz49

            I thought that was Doug Williams in Superbowl 22 when he creamed Elway — but Williams has never gotten much credit for his achievement. At least he was not sold south.

          • AlexH

            You know what they say, “No Brain, No Pain”

        • tonysocref

          And Christie Rampone was 3 months along when she played in the 2009 WPS final with Sky Blue.

          • Steglitz49

            These ladies are made of steel.

  • guest

    Mal Pugh created more in her 10 minutes than anyone else

    • #1Fan

      not so hard when you are fresh and , again, running at tired defenses.

  • Gary Diver

    “In the second, however, the USA wore Jones’s side down with its pressure and possession.”

    Is this really the long and short of it? If so, this game is the same old story: USWNT fitness and athleticism. I wonder why Germany only arrived on Monday – that is not enough time to adequately deal with jet lag.

    • G2

      German players had league matches on Sunday 26th so Monday (after travel) was as early as they could have arrived. Agree jet lag had impact.

      • AlexH

        But they are supposedly in “midseason form” so it is probably a wash.

    • NYRick

      Muscles and Wheels: USWNT Since 1990. T-shirts ready for sale. You’re welcome.

      • NYRick
        • NYRick
          • Gary Diver

            These shirts are great. Better than the ones Nike offers.

        • AlexH

          I’d buy one of those but perhaps you should include the 3 stars over the crest that playing muscles and wheels have delivered.

          • NYRick

            I’ll put the 3 stars in, but the USSF and Nike would sue the crap out of me if I produced these shirts.

          • AlexH

            Maybe you should make contact with some sweatshop in a country where rule of law is optional. I’m sure that Nike and the USSF have their hands full with a straight up knockoffs of their official gear.

          • NYRick

            Here’s a side story. A couple of years ago, I made a t-shirt for some of my Mets fans friends when the Wilpons were in the middle of the Madoff ponzi scheme. It was an orange t-shirt with the words in big blue letters: WILPONZI, the society of Mets fans for new ownership.

            I just made 6, and about 5 of us went to a Mets game one night all wearing them. I was asked by countless fans where I got it and where could I buy one. In the midst of all this, a Mets usher came up to us and told us in uncertain terms either take the shirts off or put your jacket over them or you will be thrown out. Morale of the story, when it comes to powerful organizations, don’t mess around too much. They will crush you and cause you much despair and financial heartache.

          • AlexH

            But wait. Maybe you could legally produce this shirt (in theory). One of the reasons that the Feds didn’t stick with the centennial crest (so says the internet so you know it’s true) is that they could not trademark it. If that is true you could use the centennial crest and I don’t see anything else that is protectable.

          • NYRick

            I could simply keep the crest out and just write US Women’s Soccer team. It would be a bootleg shirt really and they are done all the time for bands, teams etc. They don’t have the trademark for the words, Muscles and Wheels, unless someone trademarked the two together. Have to check with newsouth. Have to give him credit for that a couple of years ago. I always thought it was perfect.

    • #1Fan

      Possession? do we have possession stats?

      • wosofan

        56 to 44 USA

        • #1Fan

          ty ..

          • DNG

            Germany seemed content ceding possession to the US back line and pressed aggressively when once the ball was played into the midfielders or wing backs. So while the US may have had the edge in possession I don’t think they were particularly dangerous outside of breaks off turnovers. I am more curious as to what the possession was like in the A3 for each team although Germany may have been poor there too.

          • #1Fan

            they did for about 30 mis…then legs got heavy.

          • DNG

            Well Germany’s players are in the middle of their league so it makes sense that they would tire more quickly. I’m not so sure it’s the best strategy to press the US for the full 90 anyway.

          • Steglitz49

            After the US, Germany has the best overall NT record in WoSo. Then it is a toss-up between Japan and Norway. After that, I guess Sweden edges Brazil.

            It tells you more about WoSo than you would like to know. Maybe the next dozen years will change that?

          • Frozen Blue

            I noticed that too they were prepared to trap Heath and Dunn on the outsides, were more than happy to let the back line play around with it and seemed to be daring us to go up the center.

          • Steglitz49

            ta — in the Quen’s English — sometimes even ta very much

    • #1Fan

      as soon as you see the team , you know its the same old story. We are what we are. Im fine with it, but I laugh at all the suggestions and innuendo that we aren’t.

      In the system last night out most technical players – Brain, Heath were non existent. Our least – Williams and Short got headlines.

      • Nild

        What game were you watching? Did you seem to forget how much Heath was defending? Along with Dunn?

        • Bruce

          I think that’s the point. Who wants to see Heath defending 90% of the match?

          • mockmook

            So, put her on the bench?

          • Bruce

            That she and Dunn needed to play so much defense was a direct result of the total failure of the CMs to possess/advance the ball in this formation.

            I’ve got no problem chalking this up as an experiment, but the 3-5-2 has a *long* way to go before it allows the NT’s best offensive players the opportunity to shine.

          • mockmook

            So, the solution is to fix the CMs, right?

        • DNG

          Using Heath as a defender that way is a complete waste. Same goes for Dunn although I still contend she’d be a great attacking full back.

          • AlexH

            Heath and Dunn defended because they needed to. It happens against good teams. The fact that the two have the fitness to play both ways is a good thing.

          • Gary Diver

            BUT, in the OG16 QF against Sweden, Heath was run ragged the whole match and lacked the needed oomph at the end of the match.

          • Steglitz49

            On that they they played a superior team infused with the Lagerbäck method, verily a worm that had turned. Forsooth. Hound’s tooth.

          • AlexH

            Well if Jill had put in a sub that was fit to play for the balance of the 120 minutes Tobin probably would have had some more left in the tank.

          • Gary Diver

            That is a good point. Thank you.

          • DNG

            I wasn’t saying that at all. Of course they need to defend against good teams and would have to in a different formation too. But they were unable to get into the attack pretty much the entire match and that is where you would expect them to be difference makers. They had virtually no impact in the attacking third.

          • #1Fan

            This is what I meant. In a “technical” sense , they did very little

          • mockmook

            So, you put them on the bench and use better defenders?

          • DNG

            In a 3-5-2 I’d consider keeping Heath on the bench yes. If the team is just going to absorb pressure and counter I’d consider benching Brian too.

          • #1Fan

            it sounds like you are saying you dont want to play 3-5-2 / 3-4-3

          • DNG

            No, I don’t really want to play those formations. It’s not completely the formations since it’s also about the personnel Ellis uses in these formations. In a 3-4-3/-3-4-2-1 I would be using 2 AMs in the 2 not 3 CFs. I don’t think there is any reason why the US can’t play a 4-3-3 and also play good soccer. I don’t really understand why Ellis made the change to a 3 back either. Conte changed his team to make them more defensively solid not to score more goals and be more attacking minded like Ellis says she wants the US to be.

          • #1Fan

            we need to give it time I guess, but my initial thoughts were that one of our stars of 2016 creatively, Heath is now marginalized against decent teams. It seemed to play like a press/trap / counter formation. not a possession one.

            I think that coming up for a plan vs teams who are going to sit deep is fine, but I think the 3 back looked pretty toothless going fwd vs a Germany team at 60 pct.

          • Bruce

            The current USSF speak is that playing 3 in the back “puts us on our front foot” as a more naturally attacking team.

          • DNG

            It’s really the opposite against any team that can push the WBs(Heath and Dunn) back.

          • Bruce

            Apparently so.

          • Steglitz49

            It may well suit the US better to start with 3-5-2 or 3-4-3 than 4-3-3 or 4-4-2. Indeed, 3-5-2 naturally mutates to 3-4-3 or 4-4-2 depending on how the game develops, which is the reason why Even Pellerud liked it.

          • DNG

            I am okay being patient. The truth is that Ellis has a lot of good will to work with after the WC and experimenting is a good thing.

            I have to think that the personnel played a big role in the Press countering style. Sullivan, although still young, is a different player than Mewis. And with Lloyd and Williams filling out key positions in the team’s spine, I was expecting the team to have issues getting through the middle. I think I said as much after the Romania matches.

            The other thing that bothered me, which I believe you also mentioned, was how little Press and Williams combined together up top to give Germany problems. I think that the two strikers need to work together in two front formations and it’s one of the reasons I’d want Horan up there. Horan is good at bringing others into the attack.

          • #1Fan

            I agree on the combination part. the occasional one two. would be nice. as pointed out by someone earlier, having made that turn and break, was the square ball on for Press?

            I dont see many women strikers who are good at combining . Almost all shoot first and ask questions later. I think its the nature of the game here.

          • DNG

            I think the ball to press was on if played early. It looks like Williams slowed down after completing the two dribbles abd press was caught trying to stay onside.

            You’re right there are very few forwards that excel at combining in WoSo I don’t really have a huge issue with williams shooting here though. It really was not an overly difficult finish even if it wasn’t as good as a tap in. I’m not sure Press would have had a tap in had the ball been played to her

          • kernel_thai

            First I don’t have any problem watching both players defend. It’s part of the game Ellis tends to overlook. The rub is when offensive player work that hard for u on defense it’s important that ur system rewards them with opportunities on the offensive end. If it doesn’t u open the door for players saving their energy for offensive chances.

          • DNG

            The US didn’t have the ball long enough in the A3 to bring either into the attack. Almost all of the chances came off turnovers or long balls that had Press and Williams attacking alone and Lloyd doing whatever it was she was doing.

      • Gary Diver

        I thought the Japanese win in WC11 was suppose to usher in a new era of WoSo like Spain’s win in WC10 ushered in a new era in men’s soccer?

        • Steglitz49

          WC-11 is WoSo’s spiritual sister to BroSo’s WC-54. That is it true significance.

        • HOFCToDi

          Japan women’s national football team failed to qualify for the 2016 Rio Olympics.

          • Steglitz49

            Always look on the bright side of life: they avoided the ignominy of being dismissed in the QF.

    • AlexH

      I’m OK with the same old story so long as it comes with the same old winning.

      • #1Fan

        are you really? I mean is winning SBC games important to you ?

        • AlexH

          Well the same old winning covers world cups and Olympics as well. If we can win by grinding down our opponents with fitness and athleticism then I am all for continuing to do so until somebody stops us.
          If it were up to me I would try to strike a balance between artists and beasts but I’m OK with beasts and beasts if that’s what we have handy.

          • #1Fan

            ok . France can match you in that area.

          • mockmook

            I don’t think so. If the USA went for burners/beasts that would overwhelm France’s defense:

            http://drawformation.com/post/58b8637373924/sm-58b8637373924.png

          • HOFCToDi

            Ohai was not even named to the 2017 SheBelieves Cup roster. Stop wasting storage space on your fantasy line ups.

  • CED

    US CM’s were poor again. Mewis and Brian could barely get a touch of consequence until 65+ minutes when Germany clearly became fatigued after having league games on the weekend, a long flight on monday, and jetlag of playing less than 48hours from arrival.

  • Ashley C

    The distribution and overall placement at the back concerns me. Ellis wants better buildup play and patience, but if the back 3 isn’t comfortable with distribution it could be a problem. Especially since the midfield is weak at times too. Long wasn’t bad but I wonder what happens when a team plays a high press on them. It’s a shame Germany were so lackluster and dull because I would have liked to have seen them press more.

    • guest

      Maro and Mittag were both limping

      • Bruce

        I think Maro took a hit pretty late in the game, like after the 80th minute.

    • AlexH

      The funny thing is that it was a lot better yesterday than in games past. What I liked about the Germans is that they could switch fields at the drop of a hat whereas our team apparently still needs to think about it.

  • wosofan

    If Naeher gets the number 1, which I think she deserves, does the backup become a younger goalkeeper than Harris?

    • NYRick

      Yes. That makes perfect sense. But sense never plays into it too much for most things on this team.

    • Steglitz49

      No. They need to develop a new #1 now. Not wait till 2027.

  • NYRick

    Hey just checked. The temp for Saturday’s England match at game time is going to be around 30 degrees F. A 5 pm start that most likely will dip to maybe 25 during the game. That’s cold, and it’s windy as all hell here today.

  • AlexH

    Williams really wasn’t that effective until the game opened up at the end. I am not sold that she should start but does have Super Sub written all over her.

    • DNG

      She has the finishing woes like pretty much every US attacker. Her first touch was pretty shocking last night though. She couldn’t hold onto the ball long enough to be positive until the game, as you said, opened up.

      • AlexH

        Yes well there is that, and as you say it seems to pervade the whole team. Every time Carli passed her the ball I shouted at the TV, “Oh NOW you decide to pass!”
        That said I think Jill needs to sit Press down and have her writhe 100 times, “Putting the ball on frame is not to be taken literally, putting the ball on frame is not to be taken literally, etc.”

  • NYRick

    One thing I’d like to see in either of the next two matches. On a corner kick, do a set play with Heath taking the kick and putting into the top of the box onto an on-rushing Press. She may sky it, but I think that play is there most of the time. Change it up once in awhile on a set piece instead of just drilling hard to the goal mouth where the keeper usually catches it.

    • dw

      She’ll hit the crossbar…

  • Gary Diver

    What’s with Dzsenifer Marozsan?

    For a couple of years now, her fans have claimed she is one of the greatest players on the planet. I saw her play in 3 matches last year at SBC and I didn’t see any greatest. She definitely has a cannon leg, but that doesn’t make a player great. Do others see her abilities matching the hype?

    • #1Fan

      she is technically very good. can see a pass.I agree on one thing that men have a tendency to do – including me.

      we end to evaluate female players by the same metrics as men DM could play in a mens league and do very well. I think this fact has something to do with why many rate her highly. In WoSo there are more consistently effective players with far less talent.

    • AlexH

      She looked damn dangerous to me yesterday. More dangerous than our #10.

    • Steglitz49

      She earned her keep in the OG-16 final and also in the Euro-13 SF.

  • guest

    Is rick going to be here all day talking about Press again?

    • ABCDE

      if you register you can block him.

      • Steglitz49

        What is the fun in blocking people?

  • AlexH

    So here are some of the conclusions I jumped to from last night.
    1) Long’s ball control wasn’t good enough to justify not putting a real defender in her place.
    2) Llloyd’s play wasn’t good enough to warrant her getting automatic starts over a player that might actually be less than 50 years old for the coming tournaments.
    3) Pugh absolutely needs to be in the starting lineup as she clearly has a gear that other players don’t have.
    4) Can we get a goalie that can put the ball across half field on a GK. It isn’t the most important of skills but jeez I’ve seen plenty of college keepers and a few HS girls that that have no problem with that.

    • AlexH

      Oh and I would love to see Horan and Dunn up top with KO and Heath in the flanks and Pugh at the 10. I can’t say that it would be the bomb (as opposed to bombing) but it would be a very high octane mix.

      • #1Fan

        Ive not seen anything that suggests Pugh is a central player. Happy to try it though

      • CED

        Horan..LOL. She’s slower than Wambach. Horan’s only use up top isif you’re going to play unsophisticated and non tehcnical socccer of just launching balls into the box.

        • dw

          I don’t believe that to be true. I think she has skills with her back to goal and the ability to shoot on the turn. If anyone not named Nardley Floyd played CAM for this squad, you might be able to play into her feet. As it is, you can’t.

        • DNG

          I think you’re off on your assessment of Horan. She’s not that fast, sure, but I disagree with the notion that she is only good for heading balls from crosses. I think she’s way more technical than Morgan, Dunn or Williams. In any case can you name me the CFs that are bring lots of sophistication to the US attack. Press is Pretty much it for me right now.

          • mockmook

            “I think you’re off on your assessment of Horan.”

            I believe he is off his meds. 🙂

          • CED

            Horan is a turtle in all aspects, foot, thought, etc…You put her under any pressure she turns the ball over b/c she is slow of thinking and foot.

          • DNG

            She doesn’t turn the ball over under pressure any more than the other forwards when playing high and is better at holding it up and combining via one twos than all of them. So again, I think your assessment is off. Slow foot speed(it really isn’t as slow as it looks either) is not a deal breakers for attacker in my opinion if they can do other things well and Horan can.

          • Arcie Tillydee

            Slow in thought? On what (alien, far-distant) planet is that even close to reality? Ridiculous…

          • CED

            You clearly know nothing about the game, never coached, etc..It’s obvious and has been her problem foryears. Btw, her own coaches comment on her slow pace of play…Try to keep up.

    • #1Fan

      Williams and Dunn both have that gear. Pugh is being eased back in post injury. I think she will start the next game.

      We have to e consistent here. I want JE to experiment so i wont judge her selection until the end …other than lloyd who needs to go .

      look at Ranieri PL title to sacked in under a year. The WC hattrick should not be worth 4 years of grace.

      • wosofan

        Wasn’t Lloyd the leading goalscorer for the USWNT in 2016?

        • #1Fan

          what does that mean? If I take penalties, set pieces and hang by the goal vs weak teams and shoot every time i get it ……

          • wosofan

            Finishing is still finishing. To act like she has been living off her world cup performance is a little overboard but I get that you hating on Lloyd is kind of your thing around here.

          • #1Fan

            its not. Possession is 9/10th of the law in the US WNT. Please show me a forward on the team who does NOT score ? they all do. I love soccer . I love great players. She is not one. Its the biggest hypocrisy of all to tell people about all the progressive things you want to do with your team and then play Carli lloyd for 90 mins almost every game.

            I have respect for what she has done , but her time is past.

          • #1Fan

            Frank Lampard scored goals for NYCFC last season. he retired. Wayne Rooney has been forced to a bench role at Man United. When things matter, sentimentality goes out the window. the USWNT has the luxury of indulging in it to a fault.

          • HOFCToDi

            USWNT keep winning and #1Fan’s head keeps spinning.

  • guest

    if you put pugh dunn and press in the front this team is unbeatable imo. no back line will be able to keep up with that.

    • #1Fan

      France absolutely can.

      • Bruce

        France’s back line looked pretty shaky on the edges yesterday.

        • #1Fan

          yesterday …

          • Bruce

            Got something more recent? 😉

          • #1Fan

            I dont evalauate on a day to day basis . The trend is they have access to and are developing athletic technical players

          • Bruce

            True. But they’ve still not shown that they can handle high pressure and speed off of the edges. Yesterday was just another example of that.

          • DNG

            I think all teams are going to have a difficult time handling England’s early pressure. However, I also think England are going to have a difficult time keeping that up for 90 minutes. 2 changes on the back line for France is a big deal though especially when it comes to breaking through a press. Those backline players along with the CMs(Abily also did not start) are the keys to getting past the initial pressure. England did do a pretty good job last year against France so I’m not totally discounting that England’s press is very effective.

        • DNG

          Renard and majri did not start once they came into the match the game completely changed

          • Bruce

            The game changed with Sampson decided to pull everyone back and try to run out the clock. England was dominating possession in their attacking half until they decided not to.

          • DNG

            Samson said he have made some mistakes with his tactical choices but I still think it would have been difficult for them to stop France after they made their subs

      • AlexH

        No. Dunn could run between Renard’s legs and score a hat trick!

        • #1Fan

          lololololol

          Love it

    • Steglitz49

      Didn’t Sweden 6-7 months ago?

      • guest

        uh no. they shut down a combination of morgan and lloyd, both yesterday’s news IMO. maybe morgan can make a comeback maybe not.

        • Steglitz49

          Alex Morgan is never yesterday’s news.

      • CED

        Btw, they didn’t beat them, it was a draw. But your inferiority complex of your country is on full display again.

        • Steglitz49

          Japan did not beat the US in 2011 (but they still walked off with the silverware).

          • HOFCToDi

            Sweden women’s national football team has never won the FIFA Women’s World Cup.

      • HOFCToDi

        Sweden women’s national football team has never won the gold medal at the Summer Olympics.

  • Gary Diver

    Off-Topic Alert: Sinclair Closing in on Wambach

    Yesterday, Christine Sinclair scored the winning goal in the 90th minute against Denmark at Algarve. Now she has 166 international goals: only 18 less than Abby Wambach. It is going to be interesting to see if she can close the gap. One strange thing is that Herdman has been using Janine Beckie for penalty kicks instead of Sinclair. It is hard to understand since (1) Sinclair is good at PKs and (2) Herdman is Sinclair’s greatest fan and will let her play forever or until she decides to quit or whichever comes first.

    P.S. Marta has 100 goals in only 101 appearances. She is in a league of her own.

    • Bruce

      The first person to say that Christine Sinclair is a glorified poacher will start a Holy War.

      • Gary Diver

        I’m taking the bait. Last year I noticed that Sinclair scored a number of “easy goals” for Portland. She seemed to be just hanging around and found herself in the right place at the right time. Like Lloyd, she does seem to do her own thing on the field, but finds herself in the right place at the right time more often than Lloyd. Is she is a lucky freelancer or is she a soccer genius?

        • #1Fan

          a real striker that finds ways to score is a genius.

          • Bruce

            She’s more technical than Lloyd to be sure, but really not that different. If she played for the USWNT, she wouldn’t get a pass.

          • Bruce

            …at this stage of her career.

          • DNG

            I like Sinclair so I’m probably biased but even though Sinclair scores mostly poachers goals I still think she brings more to the team outside of goals than Lloyd does(probably biased about Lloyd here too though so…).

          • Guest

            Yeah, I agree on Sinclair. While being intuitive in placing herself in position for a garbage goal, she is also very good with the ball at her feet and makes good choices when passing the ball.

          • DNG

            I would say she’s less effective but she is still a smart player who can move the ball effectively. The two players who I thought the Thorns struggled to play without were Heath and Sinclair. Nadim just wasn’t able to calm the ball down the way Sinclair did and Parsons was reluctant to play Horan up top or in the hole until Henry arrived in June.

        • Bruce

          brave man.

        • DNG

          Nothing wrong with easy goals and I actually do think Lloyd has pretty good instincts in that respect. The problem is that Lloyd does little else against the top team in the world. Sinclair is definitely slowing down but I wouldn’t say the same is true for her.

      • AlexH

        There is nothing wrong with being a poacher. Gerd Muller was a poacher and held a bunch of scoring record for decades.

  • truf

    this article doesn’t even have the score. come on equalizer….

    • guest

      what part of “Lynn Williams scored the USWNT’s lone goal in their 1-0 win over Germany.” can you not read.

  • guest123

    Off-Topic: La Manga Tournament / U-23 wins vs Japan with the score of 2-0. Goal scorers are Savannah McCaskill (Unassisted)(South Carolina) & Margaret Purce (Sanchez)(Boston Breakers).

    Highlights – http://www.womenssoccerunited.com/members/asa/media/12956/

    • Steglitz49

      Thank you. What has happened when one of our best WoSo players is a Harvard graduate? Stanford, yes; but, Harvard?

    • Gary Diver

      Thank you for sharing this. Do you know if we can see more than just the highlights? Also, have you seen any commentary? Ashley Sanchez must feel good about beating Japan after what they did to the USWNYT at WC17 and WC20 a few months ago.

      • #1Fan

        why.. she beaten them before, just not when it counts. Do you see a pattern here?

      • mockmook
    • Breakers fan

      A U.S. youth team defeats Japan – rejoice! Not since our U17 team beat them in 2015 and again in 2016 has that happened, I don’t think. Thanks much for the link to the highlights – some crossbar shots for both teams. Our keeper looked good – gotta check who that was. Sanchez, from just the highlights was excellent – she was the star in the Purce goal but the latter converted well. Ashley Hatch had a nice play in there too. Appreciate the link!

      • g2

        from picture on us soccer-ynt twitter, GK appears to be Casey Murphy

        • Breakers fan

          Thanks! I wondered if that was Murphy – didn’t strike me at first glance as being tall enough but I’m sure you’re right. She had a nice save in the highlights.

      • Gary Diver

        It would be nice to see more of the match and a thoughtful commentary.

        1. Several top collegiate and NWSL players are on the U23 team. It would be nice to know how they performed. One example is Morgan Andrews.

        2. Wouldn’t it be better if Brianna Pinto played in the 3 La Manga matches than sit the bench at SBC?

        • Breakers fan

          Right – not sure if you call this a youth team, but you could. I’d love to see the whole game, but doubt we’ll be able to. Fingers crossed for that. Not sure how good Japan’s U23 team is and who they are using for it – how many of the players from their excellent U20 team are on it? It’s great and encouraging, though, to beat them, after our recent not-good games against them in the 2 recent World Cups. That said, how did the run of play go? Would like to see possession stats for it. Maybe it’s in the link somewhere.

          • #1Fan

            you see we diverge here again. I reserve judgment on the result without seeing the game.

          • Breakers fan

            Happy we won. Said “would like to see how the run of play went.” I figured I was wading into dangerous territory…

        • #1Fan

          but why the U23s or U20s? not going over old ground, but I’m trying to understand the basis for any of these kids playing Up bar maybe Sanchez

        • #1Fan

          you will never hear that. you get goals , a few highlights if lucky. The narrative on performance it controlled.

        • Steglitz49

          Traditionally the U23 NTs have been a bit of a graveyard in WoSo. The reason for that is that they have no real role, unlike the boys’ U23.

          Top young players go straight to the NTs — like Fleming, Buchanan and Lawrence in Canada, Kumagai and Iwabuchi in Japan, Blackstenius and Rolfö in Sweden, not to mention the US players.

          If the IOC made ladies soccer like the men’s soccer, then U23 will take on a meaning. Till then, it remains a consolation prize and not worth a pitcher of warm spit.

      • Gary Diver

        There has been some criticism that Sanchez is just another speedy one-trick winger, but she seems to have gotten a fair number of assists in her career which has to be a good sign.

        • Breakers fan

          I think she’s far more than “a one-trick winger”. Look what she’s done by age 17 – pretty remarkable.

          • #1Fan

            She is a talented player. I like her.

          • Gary Diver

            Are we talking about the same Ashley Sanchez we have disagreed about in many past discussions? Usually when somebody says something complimentary about Sanchez, somebody else screams “hype”.

          • #1Fan

            i have always thought she was a good player and said so numerous times. Im just not in the business of building these kids up to the level that some are. Ive seen them in person many times. Seen them play and practice and whilst i think they are good, I dont believe they are anywhere near the lofty levels some do.

          • Gary Diver

            Fair enough:)

          • #1Fan

            fro reference, none of them are in the phenom category for me .. not even Pugh

          • Gary Diver

            Could you please give me an example (or two) of a player, from the past if necessary, who you feel is in the “phenom category”?

          • #1Fan

            Mia Hamm. Marta. thats about it on the womens side

          • guest

            lol seriously? Mia Hamm probably wouldn’t even make the current day national team. Wambach and Sinclair were phenoms in their day (I believe Sinclair still holds all of the NCAA records for points and goals).

          • guest123

            2012 Alex Morgan was a phenom.

          • Frozen Blue

            Alex is a great player but I think of her more as being a part of a phenomenal partnership with Abby that played well to each of their strengths.

          • #1Fan

            did you see my definition? Making the current team has nothing to do with it. She was well ahead of her time.

          • #1Fan

            NCAA? was she at College as a 15 year old? No. She was a great College player…

          • Steglitz49

            You can start with the 3 Ms: Marta, Miyama and Morgan.

            Infact, an awful lot of top WoSo players have an M somewhere in their names. Must Mean Mega Maybe.

          • HOFCToDi

            #1Fan talks out his arse.

            2016 Calendar Year
            USWNT
            Assists Provided vs Top 12 FIFA Ranked Opponents
            Heath – 3
            Pugh – 3
            Klingenberg – 2
            Dunn – 1
            Lloyd – 1
            Long – 1
            O’Hara – 1
            Sauerbrunn – 1

          • Steglitz49

            Jessie Fleming is the real McCoy. Jessie will be 19 in 10 days or so. She has already played 26 times for Canada, including in all the matches of their successful OG, where they in the group games defeated not only Germany but also Australia in spite of playing with 10 almost all the match.

          • Guest

            Agree Fleming is one of the best players in the world right now and will get better in the next few years. Her sophistication and technical ability are phenomenal. She can also run all day and does.

          • Steglitz49

            Provided Jessie stays free of significant injuries and has decent WC-19 and OG-20, her pro-career looks bright. Like Kadeisha and Ashley, it may mean playing in foreign lands but that just broadens Fleming’s horizon.

          • Frozen Blue

            It frustrates me because some players are the chosen ones picked at a young age before they have even proven themselves and then given tremendous opportunities while other players can play through every level of the sport proving time and again their skill and value but get little to no chance to prove themselves at a national team level until the coach has no choice because they were NWSL player of the year or golden boot winner.

          • #1Fan

            Exactly …at every level this happens. We narrow the pool so fast and HOPE those we discard stick around to get abused long enough until they prove them wrong. It the dumbest system ever. We dont encourage our talent to keep working. Instead we tell them over and over – she is better than you – even though you out perform the chosen ones over and over. The COs fall over and USSF builds them back up. Other kids stumble once ..bye bye ..

            how many times are you supposed to hear that A is better than you before you believe it ?

          • HOFCToDi

            Who are these so called individuals passed over?

          • Breakers fan

            I agree that this is a tough, tricky call. A young player, a Pugh, a Sanchez, do quite well, some have said “dominate” their age group……or if not dominate, are fairly clearly the best….so what do you with them? Do you move them up? If so, how much? One level, two three? I’m glad Sanchez isn’t with the USWNT yet on a regular basis. I would have been totally fine if Pugh had played up with the U20s, U23s,then went to UCLA and played 4 years. I think she would have developed fine – maybe just as well, maybe better, who knows? But… we also see that she, Pugh, can play at this level. I think Sanchez could too but I’m glad they’re holding her back……some…..if you count a 17 year old on a U23 team “holding her back”.

            So, honest, serious question: What would you do with a player clearly able to play above her age group? Would you move her up but keep her shy of the USWNT? To me that would be fine and legitimate, even if she could do well there. You don’t want a kid to be used to promote your program. I really hope that is not their primary motivation. That said, I’m sure Pugh is having a great experience. I don’t want to suggest abuse here. I just hope it’s all ability-based.

          • HOFCToDi

            No one has listed this so called individual that was passed over the national team level. The agenda is quite clear:

            Waaa! My player was not named to the squad!

            Waaa! My player does not start!

            Waaa! Time to dispatch the wambulances!

          • HOFCToDi

            Please cross reference the 2016 NWSL MVP Award finalists to the players named to the first training camp roster of 2017.

            nwslsoccer.com/2016-nwsl-awards-finalists-revealed

            http://www.ussoccer.com/stories/2017/01/04/20/26/20170104-wnt-2017-january-camp-roster-release-ellis-calls-29-players-to-carson

          • Breakers fan

            Not sure of your exact point.

          • HOFCToDi

            I want names of glaring omissions. No one can come up with these supposed names. Thus, the agenda is quite clear:

            Waaa! My player was not named to the squad!

            Waaa! My player does not start!

            Waaa! Time to dispatch the wambulances!

          • Frozen Blue

            I guess I’m just not sure what Pugh did that was so good that she got the promotion to the national team in the first place. I’m not arguing she doesn’t belong but what was it she did to deserve such a chance. She was no great stand out at the U-17 World Cup. I mean will it really be a surprise that Pugh is better than others in her age group from now on given the superior training and opportunities she has gotten. What happens if she doesn’t stand out in college as she is expected, does she continue to get to keep her anointed status with the national team. Horan is another one, clearly a good player but would her NWSL play alone really have gotten her a call up with the national team or does it have more to do with her notoriety for going overseas? Yet other players have played well enough to succeed at youth, college and professional levels and are given one camp before they are dismissed or sit on a bench for a couple of games or get a few minutes if their lucky and then are not deemed worthy of an investment. I have no “horse” in this race so to speak that I am lamenting missing her chance just lamenting a unjust system.

          • Steglitz49

            In a country as vast as the US with as many young ladies playing soccer, at some point choices and preferences will be arbitrary. It is no different from applying for a place at Harvard or Stanford. Each spot is oversubscribed many times over.

            The difference is that 2016 was a miserable year for US WoSo at all levels but worst for the WNT. To misquote the Irsih playwright — “To fail once is unfortunate; to fail twice seems like carelessness.” — he did not have a version for failing thrice.

    • guest

      Mccaskill was very good for South Carolina last season.

      • Breakers fan

        Yes she was…..what an enigma she is, just based on a stereotypical interpretation of her appearance. Best fire hydrant of a player ever? (I don’t mean that to be insulting but rather only descriptive) Tireless worker, bulldog. She’s winning me over.

        • guest

          ha… I”m not sure what you mean re:her appearance but yes she is a very aggressive and strong player

          Ellis called her and Sanchez into the full camp this January so apparently she agrees.

          • Breakers fan

            As far as what I meant by that – just that I doubt anyone would look at her in a lineup of say 30 top D1 college strikers and pick her as the only one in the country kept on to join the full team.
            She probably isn’t, but to me she looks a good 10-20 pounds overweight. She’s rather probably just really thick, being short and squat of stature.

          • guest

            my college roommate was the best athlete I’ve ever known personally (played both soccer and lacrosse at a D1 school which is fairly unusual) and has that body type. Built like a boulder. Granted she was a defender and not a forward, though.

          • Breakers fan

            Very cool – great comparison, one that lends credence to that body type not being a hindrance.

          • anon

            I haven’t examined her physique that closely but I think she looks more like a soccer player than Ashley Hatch, who is very willowy looking.

          • guest

            she is of the Jill Scott (ENG) mold

          • mockmook

            I think Hatch looks more birchy than willowy…

          • Breakers fan

            I’d like to introduce the great Sycamore tree into the dialogue…

          • Breakers fan

            You don’t have to examine it THAT closely. Doesn’t matter. She’s very good. Hatch is tall but I think strong – not as “willowy” as I think you think she is.

        • #1Fan

          desiree scott has always been very good when i have seen her play

          • Breakers fan

            Similar physique but of course McCaskill is a forward – close to leading the nation in scoring last year.

      • lol

        To be blunt, she won’t get a USWNT forward contract at this point no matter how good she is because she doesn’t look the part. This team is the Harlem Globetrotters… an entertainment enterprise… because worldwide WoSo sucks. Germany has objectively better players and they still lost. Sponsors are creaming their jeans over someone like Press or even Williams.

        • mockmook

          “Germany has objectively better players and they still lost.”

          I don’t think these words mean what you think they mean.

          • Steglitz49

            You could make the same nonsensical statement about the Bomb in Brasilia, could you not? That the USWNT allegedly had objectively the better players and they still were sent packing. Worst OG WoSo ever for the US.

            In so-called cup-ties, the underdog sometimes comes out on top. The English call them “giant-killers”.

        • #1Fan

          Dont agree with all of it, but there is some truth to this.

    • guest

      Japan out-Christen Pressing Christen Press in that game.

      • anon

        I was face-palming at all of the shanks last night… especially from Williams. She does that ALL the time. She is ridiculously fast and strong, so she can create chances for herself, but her finishing is not good. I thought it was hilarious when Wagner called her a “clinical finisher” after her goal.

        • #1Fan

          so why is she o the team ? Honest question ?

          • guest

            because no one out performed her in camp?

          • #1Fan

            I have no idea, but all the messaging I hear a fast strong player with poor technique should not be on the National team

          • HOFCToDi

            No one cares what you think.

          • Steglitz49

            Let her work on her technique.

          • Frozen Blue

            Because they have to prove the NWSL means something

          • HOFCToDi

            Why are you on this message board?

        • HOFCToDi

          2015 NWSL Playoffs & 2016 NWSL Playoffs
          Williams – 3 goals, 2 matches
          Press – 1 goal, 2 matches

        • Frozen Blue

          Wagner was talking so much crap last night, worse than Foudy fangirling over the old guard.

          • I thought the same thing and I usually love Wagner on the call.

          • DNG

            What else is Wagner going to say. Lloyd was terrible and undeserving of the fifa poty award? I guess she could just parise less but her job is to fill in bits of info during the match and viewers don’t want to hear constant criticisms of their favorite players. Does anyone like listening to Diccio criticize the same players over and over again

          • Frozen Blue

            No but Wagner actually said shortly after the goal when Pugh was subbed in that Germany stopped pressing because they were afraid of Pugh, not due to fatigue or let down after the goal, it was such a ridiculous statement that I’m not sure I can take her seriously again.

          • Guesting

            Yeah I actually heard one of the German coaches in the past voice concerns on just how they were going to handle her when they saw her again.

          • Frozen Blue

            But giving her space is not the answer. In plays where she was successful on Wednesday is when she had space to turn and get up to speed, she was then able to easily weave in traffic and make a play. When she was under immediate pressure she was shut down. Also if they were so worried about her it would only be an adjust by her defender not the entire team.

        • Steglitz49

          Put her to practice her ball-skills — 4-6 hours a day if that is what it takes.

  • Frozen Blue

    I really hope we see a change in personnel vs England. We don’t need to see the same players in the same positions for the entire tournament in order to build chemistry or something as we are so far out from a major tournament. I want to see some of the new faces, some different combinations of players and changes of formations to see what we can do and how to use our talents effectively.

    • Gary Diver

      I would like to see if Pugh is fully recovered from her injury and battering she got at U20 WC. AND I want to see Rose Lavelle on the field before I die.

      • Breakers fan

        Become a Breakers fan and you will see her aplenty!

        • Gary Diver

          Good point. I am also interested in seeing what Morgan Andrews brings to the field.

          • Breakers fan

            Get your jersey today!

          • Gary Diver

            Since I grew up in the Rochester area and “my team” was taken away, I need a new team to cheer for.

    • Breakers fan

      Have the guts to do it, Jill!

      • HOFCToDi

        Jill Ellis would if Andi Sullivan did not tear her ACL. Barring any setbacks, Andi Sullivan should be ready for next years SBC.

        • Breakers fan

          In the meantime other combos and position attempts are possible with the current roster.

          • HOFCToDi

            I already posted an option in another thread.

            equalizersoccer.com/2017/02/24/ellis-explains-shebelieves-cup-roster-changes/#comment-3175162084

            equalizersoccer.com/2017/02/24/ellis-explains-shebelieves-cup-roster-changes/#comment-3175150699

          • HOFCToDi
  • Max

    What a poor performancefrom this group. Press is still not able to score against top teams. She has played for long time now. She is a loser.

    • guest

      Most woso ‘journalists’ and peanut gallery members are creaming their collective jeans over her right now. I thought she was typical of herself on the nt… gets good looks, doesn’t score. she did the work for lynn’s goal of course.

    • Arcie Tillydee

      Yet that goal woudl never have happened without her play leading up to the series of shots…

      • Guest

        Max seems to be another Press hater. Best to ignore. I wonder how many of Press’ haters wouldn’t want her to play for their NWSL team?

        • Arcie Tillydee

          My NWSL team (Thorns FC) has a ridiculously packed roster…and I’d damn sure figure out how to make room for Press.

  • dispassionate observer

    WHY SOME FANS ARE OBLIVIOUS OF USWNT TACTICS AND LINEUP……….

    To the casual obsever, USWNT soccer has become a popularity contest suitable for reality tv, demanding blind support and campaign for favorites.Most arguments ignore talent, tactics and versatility. Fans just want to see certain players in their familiar roles: Alex Morgan racing past defenders to tap home the long ball from centerbacks or Heath weaving through defenders with acrobatic flair even if the ball ends up with the opponent.

    American culture of instant gratification is impatient to ball possession, patience and tactical sophistication required to break down better competitions. Even announcers lacking soccer knowledge exhibit such tendencies in their broadcast of games.

    Certain tactical formations require special players to execute. I like Morgan but she does not defend or win the ball when the opponent mounts a counter attack.Lynn Williams is more active without the ball and drops back to defend when needed.Besides, she is quicker and stronger than Morgan.The German girls could not bring her down in her solo effort to score her second goal only to shoot wide at goal.

    Perhaps familiarity with soccer formations and tactics should be a required reading before posting.

    • guest

      ok? … you may post again anytime after you complete the soccer formations and tactics required reading …

    • Bill

      Lessons in arrogance and lack of self awareness should obviously be required as well?

    • ok

      Calma. With the amount of numbers in the midfield, there is absolutely no reason for a deep lying forward that defends. Morgan is probably the striker with the most physicality on the ball, and to say she’s not quick doesn’t make any sense. In her last game against Germany, she outran and outmuscled 2 german centerbacks for that goal. She’s the top scorer against top teams for a reason. Williams just started playing. Chill.

  • laborlaw

    I think the USWNT should act like a regular business and fire Press and Heath for having a romantic relationship that affects on field dynamics.

    • Guest

      lol wait are you saying a midfielder trying to get the ball to a forward is a bad thing…? what they do off the field is none of your business.

    • Steglitz49

      Plato might not agree.

  • Cc W

    Pretty much what I expected – US weren’t sharp but did enough to win. It seems like the US continues to match up well against GER consistently. Sort of two sides of the same coin and I think the US has GER number.

    Of course we’ll see if a hungry ENG team can best the US, but the way FRA played in the second half, especially with Thomis and Abilly in the game changed and the speed kicked in. The old French team would have choked and lost that game, so I was impressed they came back to win.

    • Steglitz49

      Élodie Thomis is 30 and Camille Abily is 32. France must bring on their 20-22 year olds else WoSo will vanish from their land.

      • Cc W

        Thomis seems like she’s finally has some touch to go with the speed. Abilly has a deft touch – and Renard is tough to defend on set pieces.

        • Steglitz49

          France’s NT’s repeated failures 2009 and on suggests that something must give. They risk being a laughing stock in 2019. They must ponder Japan’s Golden Generation, who eventually ran out of gas.

  • guest123

    ENG Injury news: Alex Scott out for the rest of SheBelieves tourney with a calf injury.

    https://twitter.com/SheKicksdotnet/status/837700366556884992

  • guest

    Not a fan of losing Dunn’s attacking prowess closer to goal. Same with Tobin.

    • DNG

      If you’re talking about in general I think you’d be happy with the formation change then. If your talking about this game specifically well there were factors that prevented them from getting closer to goal.

      • putin

        they have more defensive responsibility now

      • Bill

        imho, right now, we are easy to play against. The German team showed the way. Even though tired and undermanned

        Pinch the sidelines so two to three great offensive disrupters ( Heath and Dunn or Pugh) never get in the game. Make the back and center waste time and be non factors. In effect we have five players back on defense or trying to get the ball into offense momentum plus the goalie

        Take your chances with the new forwards.

        Ignore the poacher, she will give away more than she takes.

        Dont be afraid of the Americans on set plays.

        So far, I am not liking the formation and not seeing how more time with it leads to more executional breakthroughs enough to outweigh too many very good players out of position

        • DNG

          I think we’ve been easy to play against for a while. I agree on the formation. I think it’s too easy for teams to trap the wide players(Heath and Dunn Wednesday) with Williams and Lloyd playing up top. I’ve been saying it for a while but Lloyd needs to go.

  • guest

    I was very impressed with Press’ tenacity last night. I have never seen her play that aggressively. Pretty amazing she has been able to improve her game so much at this late-ish stage. She also looks much stronger and faster… i think it’s funny when people say she is petite because her lower body is not petite at all.

    • DNG

      I haven’t really see any big changes is Press’ game. She’s always been fast with a strong lower body. She does seem a little fitter from the end of the WC

      • guest

        she defends a lot more and her work rate is much better. i think that is a pretty obvious difference

        • DNG

          Yeah I said she’s fitter to imply that I thought her work rate had improved.

          • guest

            I think she always had a sufficient level of fitness but she seems to be a much more physically aggressive player since the Olympics. She was never one to seek out a 1v1 challenge. Granted that is what Jill told her to work on, so she listened.

      • Reality

        She’s been more aggressive and tenacious on the ball. Two German defenders tried to sandwich her and she broke right through them. I think Ellis gave her a hint that she needed to be this way in order to be competitive. Press has always been a good soldier in playing for the team and she obviously is hungry to start and play regularly.

    • Breakers fan

      She’s succeeded very well for many years, as I’m sure you’re aware. She lit up the Pac-12 for 4 years, did the same in Sweden, her goal rate for the NT is about the same as Morgan’s, and we know how well she’s done in the NWSL. That said, your perception that she has been improving in other areas is I think true, in the work rate and defensive efforts observation; let’s not forget however that she’s been a great scorer and contributor to her teams for about the last 10 years, consistently (and I’m sure beyond that). Not that you didn’t know that, I just wanted to state it again.

      • guest

        I am aware that she is a very prolific scorer. That said, I understood why other players got starts over her on the national team over the years. Kudos to her for improving the parts of her game that were perhaps lacking.

        • #1Fan

          i just see a more confident player.

          • Reality

            Never underestimate the role of confidence.

          • Breakers fan

            I think to score all those goals over the last 10 years she has had to have been pretty darn confident. Just needs, now, to get over the hurdle of landing some biggies. Rooting for her to knock down that barrier.

          • Steglitz49

            At 28 it is a bit late in the day.

          • guest

            not really. lloyd peaked at 33… press could potentially have 2 more cycles through 2024

          • Steglitz49

            Reality intrudes.

            Carli scored the one and winning goal in the OG-08 final, possibly the last ever Golden Goal. Carli was 26.

            Then came the 2 goals at Wembley in 2012 and in 2015 her hat-trick. Thus there was a track record 7 years before WC-15.

            Unfortunately, on the Glorious 12th 2016, the USWNT with Carli as captain were dismissed from the OG without a medal. First ever no medal OG.

          • #1Fan

            interesting that you equate peaking with the WC Final. Dont get me wrong, she scored 3 good goals, but I dont think she peaked at 33.

          • DNG

            People tend to not remember how poor Lloyd was in the first 4 matches of the WC because of the goal tally. Only in the WNT does shocking form at CM turn into a starting forward opportunity.

          • Reality

            I think that Press has not been given sufficient credit by some for her sheer determination to overcome all obstacles and make the best of any situation in which she was placed. If she is finally given the opportunity to start consistently at CF and play complete games in whatever combination with her fellow forwards, I’m sure she will continue to excel and produce even better results.

          • HOFCToDi

            Calendar Year 2016
            FIFA Top 12 Ranked Opponents
            USWNT Goals Scored
            Morgan (DOB 02 Jul 1989) – 6
            Lloyd (DOB 16 Jul 1982) – 2
            Horan (DOB 26 May 1994) – 2
            Long (DOB 13 Aug 1987) – 1
            Heath (DOB 29 May 1988) – 1
            Johnston (DOB 06 Apr 1992) – 1
            Dunn (DOB 03 Jul 1992) – 1
            Mewis (DOB 09 Oct 1992) – 1

            By the way, Christen Press is not on the list.

            ussoccer.com/womens-national-team/lineups/2016-lineups

          • HOFCToDi

            Calendar Year 2014
            FIFA Top 12 Ranked Opponents
            USWNT Goals Scored
            Christen Press – 0

            History does repeat itself.

            Calendar Year 2016
            FIFA Top 12 Ranked Opponents
            USWNT Goals Scored
            Christen Press – 0

          • guest

            That is true, she is someone who has been open about her mental/confidence issues so getting the starts and coach’s approval is probably helpful.

          • Reality

            Her relationship with the NT has not been a difficult one in which she was initially passed over, had to earn her spot by excelling in Sweden, then was utilized inappropriately and irregularly for years as a sub being played out of position. This doesn’t necessarily build confidence the easy way. She had to persevere through all the turmoil and showed great courage in compiling an excellent record with the team despite all this.

          • guest

            I mean, I don’t disagree, but most players coming onto this team deal with the same thing. Look at Dunn…

          • Reality

            True. Ellis has made it difficult for new players to break through and displace the old guard. However, Press has been waiting for 4 years now to fully realize her ability to contribute to the team. Hopefully the time has finally arrived for her and other deserving younger players.

          • #1Fan

            i disagree. She has made it difficult FOR SOME …

          • Reality

            Which “…FOR SOME…” do you think Ellis has made it difficult?

          • #1Fan

            well i dont think she has made it particularly hard for Pugh, Williams , Short, JJ and quite a few others.

            Not all the new players are played out of position or forced to perform at a really high level to keep getting opportunity.

          • Reality

            For Ellis, her introduction and utilization of new talent has been almost entirely dependent on retirement and injury to the old guard. If you were on the wrong side of WC2015 and OG2016, you didn’t have much of a chance. Now that the older generation is almost gone, with one notable exception, Ellis has been bringing up new players almost entirely through the YNT system. As to whether that is the best way to identify optimum talent is another discussion.

          • #1Fan

            I hear you. I was only commenting on how hard she had made it for new players.

          • NYRick

            That’s an interesting comment, “now that the older generation is almost gone, with one notable exception…”

            It made me immediately think of something from college. There was a fraternity brother in my house who let’s say wanted to be a college student forever. He kept either flunking out, taking semesters off etc. All the while his “4-year” college term was turning into 7 or 8 years. In the meantime, he was always going back to live in the house. And I felt it a bit odd because a 25 year old’s maturity level is much different than most of us who were 19-21 at the time. That made me think of our good friend Lloyd. All of her peers have moved on (graduated) into something else. Now she is hanging with Pugh and the other youngsters and even curtailing their “turns” or time with the team.

            On a club team, maybe OK if you are good enough to still find a spot and the team is willing to pay your for your abilities. On an NT, I think it’s weird and really a bit unfair and stagnates the progression of the program. She is not the first to do it. She had some good teachers in Lilly and Wambach, and Hope, but it needs to stop. Too much talent in the program now than 10-15 years ago. And yes, I would say the same thing if it was Press at 35 doing the same.

          • #1Fan

            I think it comes down to how well she plays. I don’t think the absolute goal return is a good measure but her supporters will say it is.

            I don’t like the impact of the compromises required to put her in a position to succeed.

          • NYRick

            I said something a few years back on these boards as it pertains to these NT players…Gig too good. And it really held true for a long time. Now I think that the 15/16 cycle is over, you are seeing a changeover and 33+ player is going to become obsolete in the program. But as you say, “the impact of compromises required to put her (said player) in a position to succeed”…has diminishing returns on the program in general.

            For instance, can you imagine the offensive movement this team would have if you move Heath central to QB the attack, with Brian in support, and have your speed flanks on either side be Dunn and Pugh. Then have Press/Williams/Morgan up top. Yes, Carli sits, sorry. I’d take my chances with that lineup any day.

          • DNG

            I don’t think I really understand what your lineup would look like are you saying one of Williams, Morgan and Press would start?

            My line up(with current team) might look something more like this

            Pugh———-Press———–Heath
            ———-Brian——-Mewis———
            —————-Long—————–
            Short—–Brunn—Sonnett—-Dunn

          • Frozen Blue

            I don’t think you have enough goal scorers in front of the net.

            Personally I like Dunn closer to the goal so I would go with

            …………………… Williams
            ……………. Press………….Dunn
            Heath…….Brian……………Mewis……….Pugh
            ……….. Short…….Long…….Brunn

            I think having Dunn and Press in front of Brian/Mewis would plug up that hole we saw last game with Lloyd playing so high and give more options for relieving the press. But that’s with know qualities, personally I want to see Lavelle in the mid (can’t wait for Sullivan to return) and Horan closer to the goal before making my final decision.

          • DNG

            Maybe. I might also try a 4-2-3-1 that could look something like this

            —————-Horan—————–
            Pugh———-Press———–Heath
            ———-Brian——-Sullivan———
            Short—–Brunn—Sonnett—-Dunn

          • Reality

            I think Lloyd’s move to Manchester City is based on the hope that somehow she can regain her lost youth and furthermore gain skills she never had that will all somehow enable her to continue her quest to be the greatest woso player ever. I think this is delusional since Father (or Mother) time eventually catches up with us all. Once we can accept that immutable fact, this allows us to live our lives gracefully and be thankful for what we have received.

          • NYRick

            Look, I think both you and I do minimize her accomplishments in the sport. She has done some very big things in the OG gold winning finals and getting a hat trick in a WC final is a VERY BIG deal, whether we care or not to analyze how she was accommodated in the lineup (which she was, most coaches would have subbed her out or certainly minimized her minutes after the first 3-4 matches of that WC). But…I do give her deserved credit. She is a hands-down first ballot US HOFer and really has etched her name in US women’s sports history.

            With that being said, she is not a two-time world player of the year. That is beyond laughable. It’s akin to saying Eli Manning is the best QB in the NFL and deserves MVP recognition over Brady, Rodgers and Ryan right now. And Eli’s a two-time SB MVP as well. But as a Giants fan, even I would say how utterly laughable it is to put Eli in those other threes category. In fact, Eli’s and Carli’s careers do parallel greatly. Both have had big game moments. Both never get hurt and have longevity and both are stat accumulators.

            But Eli will realize like his brother did that Father Time waits for no one in sports field, and so too will Carli. She needs to end this WC19 quest and let the other younger and now certainly better players do the heavy lifting from here. Ellis needs to woman-up and realize the same as well.

          • Reality

            While I have given Loyd due credit in the past for her timely performance in some major events, I don’t think that these achievements entitle her to an automatic 90″ starting slot in every game with the freedom to roam at will on the pitch. As you say, there is already a place waiting for her in the WOSO HOF, but she wants to play at least through WC2019 with the goal of becoming the greatest female player of all time. This not only is delusional but manifests enormous hubris. More importantly, as I have often said, it hinders the development of other players, prevents younger players from getting a shot at the NT roster and basically disrupts the team’s strategy and run of play on the pitch. Since Lloyd is not going to step aside and imo Ellis is not going to make her, this creates an ongoing obstacle to progressive improvement of the USWNT.

          • guest

            i’m sure lloyd also is trying hard for three fifa player of the years in a row. she knows she has no chance to win it based on the uswnt since there is no major championships this year. and european players have the euros to shine in. so her best chance to three-peat is to do well in the champions league with manchester city and to a lesser extent the nwsl. and then of course to continue to hopefully pad her uswnt stats against the tomato can teams this year.

          • Reality

            Just like Wambach did, you can be sure that Lloyd will be playing every minute of every game in order to break the 100 goal mark. After that, she will want to play every minute of every game in a new quest for 200 goals.:)

          • HOFCToDi

            Christen Press
            International Women’s Friendly
            25 Oct 2015
            USA 3 BRA 1
            Minutes Played 0

            foxsports.com/soccer/boxscore?id=24141

            Christen Press was BENCHED!

            Christen Press
            International Women’s Friendly
            21 Oct 2015
            USA 1 BRA 1
            Minutes Played 0

            foxsports.com/soccer/boxscore?id=24140

            Christen Press was BENCHED!

            Christen Press
            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
            05 Jul 2015
            USA 5 JPN 2
            Minutes Played 0

            resources.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/02/66/12/93/eng_52_0705_usa-jpn_fulltime.pdf

            Christen Press was BENCHED!

            Christen Press
            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
            30 Jun 2015
            USA 2 GER 0
            Minutes Played 0

            resources.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/02/65/52/49/eng_49_0630_usa-ger_fulltime.pdf

            Christen Press was BENCHED!

            Christen Press
            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
            16 Jun 2015
            USA 1 NGA 0
            Minutes Played 0

            resources.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/02/65/00/60/eng_31_0616_nga-usa_fulltime.pdf

            Christen Press was BENCHED!

            Nevermind Christen Press started eleven of the first twelve matches for the USWNT in calendar year 2015.

            ussoccer.com/womens-national-team/lineups/2015-lineups

            http://media.moddb.com/images/groups/1/3/2933/ROFLMAO.png

          • guest

            and of course if lloyd is successful that would be one more fifa player of the year award than mia for the most by a uswnt player.

          • HOFCToDi

            Dunn, Lloyd, Morgan will laugh all the way to the bank when either the union goes on strike or a lock out ensues. You are too stupid to realize when athletes hedge their bets.

          • HOFCToDi

            Christen Press was even worse at the Summer Olympic Games than the FIFA Women’s World Cup:

            Christen Press
            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
            Goals 1, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 7, Shots on Goal 2
            Penalty Kicks Attempted 0, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

            Christen Press
            2016 Summer Olympic Games
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 6, Shots on Goal 1
            Penalty Kicks Attempted 1, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

            http://media.moddb.com/images/groups/1/3/2933/ROFLMAO.png

          • HOFCToDi

            Summer Olympic Games
            Games Started
            Leroux (DOB 07 May 1990) – 0
            Press (DOB 29 Dec 1988) – 1

            Summer Olympic Games
            Minutes Played
            Leroux (DOB 07 May 1990) – 77
            Press (DOB 29 Dec 1988) – 123

            Summer Olympic Games
            Goals Scored
            Leroux (DOB 07 May 1990) – 1
            Press (DOB 29 Dec 1988) – 0

          • DNG

            Short is interesting selection much like Williams. She seems like a good defender and athletic but she’s also the complete opposite of the type of player Ellis claims to be looking for. She gave the ball away a ton the other knight and never looked comfortable in possession to me.

          • #1Fan

            One of the players seemingly allowed to come in and be herself. How it should be really. Agree that she is a good on the ball defender. Distribution not a strength. All good if paired well. The team needs her speed.

          • DNG

            I’d like to see how she fares as an OB in a back 4. I agree that the US needs more speed in their back line.

          • Breakers fan

            I still have the game on my dvr and have planned to watch it again anyway – that’s why I kept it. About Short I personally didn’t note that “she gave the ball away a ton”. When I re-watch it I can check on this. How many times would you say she gave the ball away – what constitutes “a ton”? I thought by and large she was good in that game. Not perfect, but good and as I recall I think there were times when she did err she quickly went back and made up for it – got the ball back or at least got it out of bounds. I think her technical skills are underestimated on this forum generally. Not saying she’s the next coming of Messi but I think she’s ok in this area, not the clown many portray her to be in this aspect of the game. Time will tell.

          • Frozen Blue

            I really like Short and she did make mistakes but like you I don’t know if I could classify it as a lot or not but I give her credit for lifting her head and looking up the field for a pass. I watched Sauerbrunn more closely and over 1/2 the time she didn’t look up the field for a pass or even have her body in position to make a forward pass, she was just facing Long most of the night and passing only to her. I was wondering by the second half why the Germans didn’t just place some between Brunn and Long as soon as Brunn got the ball but they seemed content with letting the US back line kick it around. I want Short to keep trying to make passes out of the back and improving, it will help the team in the long run.

          • Breakers fan

            And one thought I clearly remember having at least once, maybe more, was “Kling would *not* have chased that player, that ball down. Thank God Short is in.” I want to watch Brunn more on my next viewing but that image of her passing the ball over to Long is pretty much seared into my memory. Could be worse but yeah I hope she ventures forward more and see if she can get the attack started a bit more often, But she needs runners getting open for her too – that may have been part of it.

          • Frozen Blue

            How can you tell no one is open when you don’t look, that’s my point even if someone was standing wide open how would she see it if she never looks at anyone but Long? If I was the midfielder on her side why even try to get open when she isn’t even trying to find you.

          • Breakers fan

            I’ll look for that on next viewing – did she look upfield often first, try to find someone, or did she not even look and just pass it over to Long?

          • Frozen Blue

            I only rewatched the second half and I couldn’t believe how many times she didn’t even look up field.

          • mockmook

            Yet, all the criticism seems to be going to Sauerbrunn and not to Long. And, it seemed that Sauerbrunn was usually the one who finally would break the pattern and hit the ball up field.

            Also, the mids were not doing a whole lot to help them out by moving into open spaces.

          • DNG

            I think you’re somewhat correct. The reason Long didn’t pass forward much was because Germany were trying to force the US to pass up the wings where they could press the US players against the sideline. They did a good job of clogging up the central passing lanes that Long did well to pick out in the last 4 matches or so back there. I think Long did well to take what she was given but maybe she could have been better at getting Brian and Mewis the ball in central midfield. So while Long did not play through the middle nearly as much as she did in previous matches I didn’t really have an issue with her decision making. I think Germany actually had a pretty good plan to shut down Ellis’ version of the 3-5-2.

          • Frozen Blue

            No I really don’t think it’s Sauerbrunn’s fault for our lack of build up from the back, that is why Long is suppose to be there. I just don’t think you can blame the midfielders when Sauerbrunn isn’t even looking for them. I really just hope this was her marching orders, “give it to Long and let her playmake” otherwise she just looks frightened to have the ball.

          • DNG

            The passes to Brian and Mewis weren’t really open since Germany prioritized shutting down those lanes. Maybe they could have moved around more to open them up but I think they also needed another midfielder to help them.

          • Frozen Blue

            I agree with that.

          • mockmook

            I didn’t get that “frightened” sense at all. In these sequences, once she decided to play the ball forward, she seemed confident and decisive.

            But, as you were saying, most of the time it did seem to be “I’ll hit it back to Allie, she is tasked to playmake”

          • guest

            could put sonnett’s name in there too.

          • guest

            and horan.

          • HOFCToDi

            Waa! It’s Abby’s fault!

            Waa! It’s Carli’s fault!

            Waa! It’s Alex’s fault!

            Waa! It’s Jill’s fault!

            Waa! The wambulances have been dispatched!

          • HOFCToDi

            Christen Press
            International Women’s Friendly
            8 Feb 2015
            USA 0 FRA 2
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 2, Shots on Goal 0

            foxsports.com/soccer/boxscore?id=16171

            Christen Press
            Algarve Cup
            6 Mar 2015
            USA 3 SUI 0
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 1, Shots on Goal 0

            foxsports.com/soccer/boxscore?id=17273

            Christen Press
            International Women’s Friendly
            17 May 2015
            USA 5 MEX 1
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 0, Shots on Goal 0

            foxsports.com/soccer/boxscore?id=17091

            Christen Press
            FIFA Women’s World Cup
            12 Jun 2015
            USA 0 SWE 0
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 2, Shots on Goal 0

            foxsports.com/soccer/boxscore?id=15317

            resources.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/02/64/73/21/eng_19_0612_usa-swe_fulltime.pdf

            resources.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/02/64/72/20/eng_19_0612_usa-swe_tacticalstartlist.pdf

            Nevermind Christen Press started eleven of the first twelve matches for the USWNT in calendar year 2015.

            ussoccer.com/womens-national-team/lineups/2015-lineups

            ROFLMAO!

          • Breakers fan

            Well-said. I should have qualified my statement by saying that “when used appropriately” she has been a confident player for years; however there is also the fact that she had a period of reckoning in which she had to decide whether she wanted to even keep playing the sport and if she did how she could make it work for herself. Maybe what’s changed is that she hasn’t been quite as hard on herself, not as demanding, playing for the joy of it rather than being as fixated on results numbers as she once was.

          • Reality

            Press, it appears to me, is a more introspective player who functions best on the pitch when she relies more on her instincts, arduous training and sheer muscle memory. However, on the other hand, her thoughtfulness has undoubtedly contributed to her ability to be flexible and adjust to changing demands and circumstances.

          • HOFCToDi

            Calendar Year 2016
            FIFA Top 12 Ranked Opponents
            USWNT Goals Scored
            Christen Press – 0

            Calendar Year 2016
            FIFA Top 12 Ranked Opponents
            USWNT Assists Provided
            Christen Press – 0

          • Breakers fan

            I agree – and I would add “when she has a coach who she just knows trusts her, has faith in her, is going to play her.” A situation like she had at Stanford where the question was “What am I going to do, what can I do?” Not “am I going to play?” She should know she’s going to play. And then just go on and on, playing. Not every moment is momentous, it’s just a moment that leads to the next one. I want Morgan and Press to be given more shots together.

          • HOFCToDi

            If the USWNT coaching staff goes forth with the 3-5-2 tactical formation or 3-4-1-2 tactical formation, the USWNT coaching staff will rotate at least four forwards in the next 27 months.

          • Breakers fan

            I think it is more of a true competition than it’s been for some time. I wonder if Dunn will enter the mix. My guess is that she won’t. But Alex’s starting spot I don’t think is as guaranteed as it used to be. Who do you see as forward #4 – McDonald?

          • HOFCToDi

            McDonald is currently on the roster while Leroux should return at some point during calendar year 2017.

            The Crystal Dunn is required on the flank since the current USWNT roster is down to Heath, Dunn, Pugh, O’Hara.

          • Breakers fan

            You could sneak Dunn into forward on occasion and cover yourself… Leroux is a huge question mark at this point, just due to how long she’s been out.

          • HOFCToDi

            PANIC! PANIC! PANIC!

            The 2019 FIFA Women’s World Cup does not commence until June 2019.

          • Breakers fan

            Hahha. Ok, fair enough. I hope she’s at least been kicking a ball around a good amount.

          • HOFCToDi

            Think about this. Four years ago, a player who wasn’t even capped changed the fate of the USWNT at the 2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup.

          • Breakers fan

            Will that happen again?

          • HOFCToDi

            During the 1990s, the cry was for Meeeeeeaaaaaaaaah!
            The next cry will be for Ashleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

          • mockmook

            It might be time for Press and Williams.

            It seems Alex can’t stay healthy.

          • Breakers fan

            26 months to go. hard to predict how things will go at this position. While I acknowledge what you’re saying, injuries of any severity can happen to anyone at any time (as I’m sure you know).

          • mockmook

            True, but I still think you should prioritize who plays the most, and at this point, Alex would be something like 4th on my list of CFs

            IOW, I’d be assuming her decline or absence for 2019 until time proved me right or wrong.

          • Breakers fan

            I rate her more highly than you do, simply, just 2 opinions. Don’t really understand this “decline”, haven’t seen it happen in any kind of clear way. That said I do like our other options too, but she’d still start for my team now.

          • mockmook

            “assuming… decline … for 2019”

          • Breakers fan

            Due to age? 27-29 is often a peak period or close to it for a lot of athletes. Or due to predicted injury?

          • mockmook

            Based on how “fragile” she has been the last few years.

            I think we are all in agreement that she has declined from her peak already, the question now is will she have a new peak or will she continue to slide.

          • Reality

            Totally agree. You make a critical distinction under which a player gains or loses confidence. Given the changed circumstances of the NT, hopefully Ellis will be utilizing Press more appropriately in the future.

          • AlexH

            However lots of players have had a rough road to getting on a national team. As nutty as the WNT selections can be it is nothing compared to any of the top MNTs out there. People don’t want excuses, they want shots to go in the goal not clang around the frame.

          • HOFCToDi

            Waa! My player was not selected to the roster!

            Christen Press was selected as an alternate at the 2012 London Olympics at the age of 23.

            Hope Solo was selected as an alternate at the 2004 Athens Olympics at the age of 23.

            Waa! The wambulances have been dispatched!

          • Reality

            Press has had 41 goals in 81 appearances for the USWNT and 25 goals in 39 appearances for the NWSL. She is only one of five players in WNT history to score in double-figures in goals for three consecutive years. You may want to focus on her shots that were near misses, but Press’s record shows she is a prolific scorer and an accurate one too with her SOG percentage. IMO,The more opportunity she has to play regularly in her natural position at CF, the more shots are going to go into the net.

          • HOFCToDi

            USWNT 2013-2016
            FIFA Top 12 Ranked Opponents
            USWNT Goals Scored
            Morgan – 16 (too many to list)
            Lloyd – 11 (too many to list)
            Leroux – 7 (CAN, BRA x 2, CAN, JPN, CAN, FRA)
            Wambach – 5 (GER, AUS, BRA, PRK x 2)
            Rapinoe – 4 (GER, BRA, AUS x 2)
            Press – 3 (AUS, FRA, AUS)
            Holiday – 2 (AUS, JPN)
            Heath – 2 (JPN, CAN)
            Johnston – 2 (FRA, JPN)
            Dunn – 2 (BRA, ENG)
            Horan – 2 (CAN, JPN)

            Christen Press has yet to even catch up to Abby Wambach!

            http://media.moddb.com/images/groups/1/3/2933/ROFLMAO.png

          • HOFCToDi

            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
            Minutes Played
            Lloyd – 630
            Press – 179

            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
            Shots Attempted
            Lloyd – 17
            Press – 7

            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
            Minutes Played per Shots Attempted
            Lloyd – 37.1
            Press – 26.7

            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
            Shots on Goal
            Lloyd – 9
            Press – 2

            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
            Shots on Goal Percentage
            Lloyd – 9/17 (52.9%)
            Press – 2/7 (28.6%)

            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
            Shooting Percentage
            Lloyd – 4/17 (23.5%)
            Press – 1/7 (14.3%)

            In every metric, Press was worse than Lloyd.

            resources.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/02/62/55/34/eng_07_0608_usa-aus_fulltime.pdf

            resources.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/02/64/73/21/eng_19_0612_usa-swe_fulltime.pdf

            resources.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/02/65/00/60/eng_31_0616_nga-usa_fulltime.pdf

            resources.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/02/65/26/11/eng_38_0622_usa-col_fulltime.pdf

            resources.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/02/65/35/93/eng_45_0626_chn-usa_fulltime.pdf

            resources.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/02/65/52/49/eng_49_0630_usa-ger_fulltime.pdf

            resources.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/02/66/12/93/eng_52_0705_usa-jpn_fulltime.pdf

          • HOFCToDi

            Christen Press
            International Women’s Friendly
            5 Jun 2016
            USA 2 JPN 0
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 2, Shots on Goal 1

            foxsports.com/soccer/boxscore?id=26862

            Christen Press
            International Women’s Friendly
            9 Jul 2016
            USA 1 RSA 0
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 2, Shots on Goal 0

            foxsports.com/soccer/boxscore?id=26928

            Christen Press
            2016 Rio Olympics
            09 Aug 2016
            USA 2 COL 2
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 4, Shots on Goal 1

            Christen Press
            2016 Rio Olympics
            12 Aug 2016
            USA 1 SWE 1
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 2, Shots on Goal 0

            Christen Press
            International Women’s Friendly
            18 Sep 2016
            USA 3 NED 1
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 2, Shots on Goal 0

            foxsports.com/soccer/boxscore?id=32516

          • HOFCToDi

            Welcome to year 5 of the Christen Press Whine Festival!

            http://i.imgur.com/aVZgT.gif

          • Bruce

            Bingo. I see a player confident in the belief that on-field contributions of all types will be recognized and rewarded. Not at all like the one who believed she had to score on every touch to win a spot on the pitch. Just a more complete player.

      • Steglitz49

        Alex Morgan is one of WoSo’s mega-stars. The other one plays WoSo.

        • NYRick

          Come on Steg, that’s nasty and bordering on stupid.

          • Steglitz49

            You become a mega-star when you deliver under pressure. 2010, 2011 and 2012 set Alex up for life. Throw in 2013 for good measure.

            Then the injuries seem to started to take their toll.

      • AlexH

        Press did seem to increase her work rate and I liked her smash and grab right up to the point where she hit the #Q$!#$! woodwork. Still at the end of the day she must reliably finish her chances for the WNT against top teams to be the gal, which alas she seems to not be able to do.

    • Steglitz49

      At 5’7″ she can’t be petite. She can be many things but not petite.

  • Gary Diver

    Off-Topic Alert: Sinclair Closing in on Wambach

    Today, Christine Sinclair scored a goal against Russia at Algarve. Now she has 167 international goals (in 253 appearances): only 17 less than Abby Wambach. That is 2 goals in 2 tournament matches. What a few months ago didn’t seem possible now seems quite possible. I wonder if Herdman will now have Sinclair take the team PKs?

    P.S. Is there any reports/news from La Manga?

    • NYRick

      So you’re actually saying, #ChasingMia was a bigger farce than we even thought all along?

      • Gary Diver

        Statistics don’t lie, but they can be very deceiving. As I reported yesterday Marta has 100 goals in only 101 international matches. That is nearly 1 GPM for an entire career.

        • HOFCToDi

          John Herdman never had to deal with the former ringleaders of the USWNTPA:

          President – Rampone
          Vice President – Wambach
          Treasurer – Boxx

          • Gary Diver

            Here is the funny thing that I don’t understand. John Herdman has nothing to do with the quality of talent born in Canada. He is the national coach and has nothing to do with the high school coaches these teenagers have who are training them. And Canada doesn’t seem to take U17 and U20 as seriously as USWNT. So how can a country with 1/10 the US population have several teenagers with enough talent to be on the world’s 4th ranked national team?

          • HOFCToDi

            You miss the big picture.

            The player allocation system is the root of all evil. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

            Christie Rampone to Sunil Gulati:

            You may have killed me (figuratively speaking), but my will is done regardless.

          • Gary Diver

            On this issue, you do make a good and valid point.

          • Steglitz49

            He would have dealt with them. Ruthlessly.

    • guest123

      The U-19s won big vs Norway, 8-2.

      USA U19’s XI: Heinsohn, Morse, I. Rodriguez, Hiatt, Briede, Kim, K. Rodriguez, Fox, Villacorta, Harr, Jones

      Goal Scorers:
      First Half – Abi Kim (2), Jordie Harr,
      Second Half- Sam Hiatt, Sophie Smith(2), Civana Kuhlmann, Kelsey Turnbow

      https://twitter.com/ussoccer_ynt/status/837735889744855041

    • AlexH

      Aw, Sinclair nothing more than a glorified poacher 😉

      • Bruce

        lol

  • hm

    For everyone calling for Morgan to be benched now… Since Press joined the national team in 2013, she scores a goal every 347 minutes against a top 10 team. Morgan averages a goal every 98 minutes against a top 10 team (and this number does not include any games/goals prior to 2013). Just something to chew on.

    • mockmook

      How many Minutes Per Goal for Press as a CF vs top 10 teams?

      And, what was the total minutes for each player as CF vs top 10 teams since 2013?

      • Reality

        Inquiring minds would also like to know how many minutes Morgan was playing out of position.

        • mockmook

          I’ll make an ill-educated guess:

          Zero

          • hm

            Press didn’t start playing out of position until early 2016 under Ellis.

          • Reality

            Whopper!

          • mockmook

            You live in Colorado, don’t you? 🙂

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/68e253d22b83cd9627ae1ded956048c14a026fc8163fad35ba8cd3dc0b94defd.png

            As you probably know, this shows that Morgan and Wambach were the CFs in a 4-4-2

            Care to extrapolate on where Press was playing?

          • hm
          • Reality

            Unclear as to who some of these opponents were…but I will do some further research on Press playing CF v. Elsewhere. What I have noticed in many of the games where Press may have had a start at CF is that she will subsequently be rotated back to the midfield or subbed out. I think Press plays best when she is a starter at CF and goes for 90″ like Morgan and Lloyd. However, 41 goals in 81 games is not bad under the circumstances.

          • mockmook

            Being a wing in a 4-3-3 is not equivalent to being a CF

            You’d need to adjust (or compare) Alex’s and Press’ numbers to account for their wing play.

          • mockmook

            Just spot checked on one game: Sept 13 2014 was against Mexico, not a top 10 team, so not relevant.

            Don’t know if the others are relevant either — I don’t have the time either to fact check you (beyond showing that you have used misleading data).

          • DNG

            Without going back to check every single match Press played against top 10 teams in the last 4 years. I’d guess that the sample size is very small and that her record is not that great.

          • mockmook

            And, if the sample size is very small, then any stats from it are almost meaningless.

            So, I’ll go with my eye test, my impressions.

            My impressions say that Press is not as clutch as Alex (was).

            But, Press has or is changing and Press 2.0 might be more clutch than Alex — need to see some more games before I rule on that.

            What does seem to be a “fact” is that Press seems to stay healthier and more available for matches.

          • hm

            “clutch as Alex (was)”
            Morgan scored against Germany to equalize. Morgan scored against France to equalize. Morgan scored a brace against Japan to save us from 2-0 down. Morgan scored against Sweden to send the game to extra time and PK’s. This is just in the last year.

            Press missed like 2 clear cut open net shots in the NWSL semi final. Missed that PK during the Sweden game (At least Morgan’s was saved). Has never actually scored a decisive against a good team except for that one game in the Algarve against France. Let’s also not forget she was one of our starting forwards in 2014 when Alex was absent and we got killed.

          • NYRick

            No, to be fair she was moved to the flank for most of 2014 in anticipation of having her as a starter for WC15. She has rarely played as a CF for the NT for any extended starts or really minutes on the pitch. CF is the goal scoring position on 99.9% of every soccer team, men’s or women’s, in the world at really any level.

        • hm

          Sadly, I don’t have that much time on my hands to check (it’s not explicitly stated in the match reports and I’m not up for rewatching every game to check). Let’s not forget Alex Morgan made a name for herself by coming off the bench in the dying minutes of the game to save the team. Not optimal conditions for her either.

          • Reality

            You have time to research stats that suit your purpose.

          • hm

            It took me about 10 minutes to go through and find out their numbers against top 10 teams by looking through match reports and doing some math. It would take me a few hours to find every game and watch every game to see where in the world Jill Ellis is putting Christen. If you want to research that and show us the numbers, I welcome you.

          • Reality

            Incomplete data without examining important variables is also called selective and slanted.

          • hm

            I am welcoming you to look it up. I’m not gonna waste my time and go through all of the games myself and find out out.

            However, the difference between Morgan and Press’ numbers is too big to blame on positional difference. Press hasn’t been played out of position enough times to justify only scoring a goal every 377 minutes against a top 10 team. And Morgan, who you all love to slander, has been our most consistent finisher against top 10 teams since she came on the national team.

            Morgan came onto the scene and was literally shoved onto the team in the last 5 minutes frequently and she managed to do so.

            (Also, if were trying to justify Press being in the midfield leading to her inability to finish against a good team, she’s only managed a single assist against a top 10 team. Morgan has zero.)

          • Reality

            I am not interested in diminishing Morgan as you try to diminish Press. You are obviously confusing me with someone else as I have always advocated for a Morgan Press pairing at forward. However, I will point out that being played out of position or being moved from position to position makes a substantial difference in being effective in scoring. Except for a brief period at the beginning of her career, Morgan has always had the benefit of starting at CF and playing for 90″. Press however has not had that advantage. As regards your own statistics, simple math shows that Morgan has been able to play 77.43″ per game against top ten teams while Press had only 47.21″. And you can be quite sure that Press was not playing CF most of the time whereas Morgan was playing CF all of the time.

            Each player is a superior forward with unique strengths that I think complement one another. They should be played together particularly now that Ellis is finally utilizing different formations.

          • hm

            I’m with you on that. They should play up top together. I’m not speaking about you explicitly, just the general tone of the comments about Morgan. I am just trying to highlight Morgan’s ability against top 10 teams that is unmatched by basically anyone else. Thank you for actually listening and being a rational person unlike some other people on this site.

          • Reality

            My pleasure. I’m a Press fan foremost and I like and respect Morgan also. There is no need for some of the juvenile postings that go on here at EQ. I block the most egregious commentators, but I always enjoy spirited and civilized discussions. Thank you.

          • Steglitz49

            You can’t cope with reality, Reality. That is your fundamental problem. Hope your real life works a bit better.

          • mockmook

            My god, you were pithy for once 🙂

          • mockmook

            However, the difference between Morgan and Press’ numbers is too big to blame on positional difference.

            That seems a reasonable HYPOTHESIS

            But, until someone does the numbers, we are all just guessing.

          • DNG

            “However, the difference between Morgan and Press’ numbers is too big to blame on positional difference.”

            I don’t know how you came to the conclusion that role and position(Wide MF/CF) does not have a significant effect on the the goal output but it’s incorrect. It would hardly be a waste of time if you actually cared about a 1 to 1 analysis. Press has a very small sample size to pull from in this debate.

            I would agree that Morgan does have a good record in matches against good teams but I’m really more concerned with building the best team going forward. Maybe Morgan is still the best forward against the best but I’m hardly convinced at the moment and think Ellis should experiment with a lot of options at the position and different formations.

          • #1Fan

            Morgans speed and more direct style has been, to date, a much more effective fit in what the team wanted to do. Perhaps that is changing. Press is/was just around at the wrong time.

            They are both good players. Press versatility has been a gift and a curse. Without out it, she would have played a lot less. Because of it, she has experienced some success

          • DNG

            I agree. However, I’m worried that in 3 years time more and more teams will be using effective tactical solutions to limit her ability to get in behind not to mention she will be close to 30 then and past her physical peak.

          • #1Fan

            I think you are right and fall back is a Williams type. We can talk about injury set backs all you want, but Morgan is struggling in France.

          • Steglitz49

            I thought she was injured and had a stomach bug. Let’s not count Alex out just yet. At the end of this month Lyon face Wolfsburg in the Champions League QF. That will tell us better.

          • hm

            Last year, with the new style Jill implemented, Morgan scored 6 goals in 8 games against top teams. The next highest was Lindsey Horan with 2 goals. Morgan does just find with the new system.

          • #1Fan

            Indeed…forget stats for a minute. She dis so well that she feels the need to go to France to try and learn something else because she sees where things are headed. The new system has barely begun.

          • Steglitz49

            25,000€/month (same say more) is not to be sneezed at.

          • Steglitz49

            You are the pot calling the kettle black because you leave out 2012. You are a good oldfashioned humbug, sir.

          • Reality

            Comparing Morgan and Press career goal and assist stats reveals the following…
            Morgan Goal Stats w/o “Annus mirabilis” 2012:
            Year Caps Goals Minutes
            2010- 8- 4- 232″
            2011- 19- 6- 654″
            2013- 12- 6- 811″
            2014- 7- 5- 418″
            2015- 22- 7- 1547″
            2016- 21- 16- 1504″
            Total- 89- 44- 5166″
            Average minutes per goal = 117.41″
            Average goals per 90″ = .77
            Adding on “Annus mirabilis” for Morgan…
            2012- 31- 28- 2319″
            Average minutes per goal = 82.82″
            Average goals per 90″ = 1.09
            Grand Total
            Career- 120- 73- 7485″
            Average minutes per goal = 102.53″
            Average goals per 90″ = .88
            Press Goal Stats:
            Year Caps Goals Minutes
            2013- 12- 8- 554″
            2014- 23- 11- 1322″
            2015- 20- 10- 1159″
            2016- 25- 12- 1122″
            Total- 80- 41- 4157″
            Average minutes per goal = 101.39″
            Average goals per 90″ = .89
            Here is a comparison of assists between Morgan and Press on the NT…
            Morgan Assist Stats w/o “Annus mirabilis”2012:
            2010 – 232″ – 1 assist
            2011 – 654″ – 2 assists
            2013 – 811″ – 4 assists
            2014 – 418″ – 4 assists
            2015 – 1547″ – 0 assists
            2016 – 1504″ – 3 assists
            Total
            Years w/o 2012 – 5166″ – 14 assists
            Average minutes per assist = 369.00″
            Average assists per 90” = .24
            Adding on “Annus mirabilis” for Morgan…
            2012 – 2319″ – 21 assists
            Average minutes per assist = 110.43″
            Average assists per 90″ = .81
            Grand Total
            Career – 7485″ – 35 assists
            Average minutes per assist = 213.85″
            Average assists per 90″ = .42
            Press Assist Stats:
            2013 – 554″ – 2 assists
            2014 – 1322″ – 5 assists
            2015 – 1159″ – 4 assists
            2016 – 1122″ – 2 assists
            Grand Total:
            Career – 4157″ – 16 assists
            Average minutes per assist = 259.81″
            Average assists per 90″ = .35
            Morgan and Press are quite comparable in regard to goals (Press – .89 goals per 90″ v. Morgan – .88 goals per 90″)
            and assists (Press – .35 assists per 90″ v. Morgan – .42 assists per 90″)
            This is keeping in mind that Press was often played out of position and that 2012 substantially increased Morgan’s career total.

          • hm

            I’m not talking about goals in general. I don’t care if Press can terrorize some Colombians or some girls from Trinidad. I’m talking about top 10 teams.

            And since Press is being played out of position as you like to point out, it makes sense that she would have more assists. Wingers and attacking mids have more assists than strikers. Neymar has more assists than Suarez, Eriksen has more assists than Kane, Ribery has more assists than Lewandowski. That’s the way it goes.

          • NYRick

            Take a look at Press’s Algarve final goal against France and her play that lead to the goal against Germany the other night. I think that was terrorizing the Big Girls, don’t you?

          • HOFCToDi

            The only time Christen Press scored against France was when both first string centerbacks (Georges and Renard) were out of the line up for France.

            ussoccer.com/womens-national-team/tournaments/2015-algarve-cup/150311-wnt-v-fra#tab-1

          • hm

            She’s had 3 goals against top ten teams in 1133 minutes. 3 goals. 1133 minutes. She has finishing problems against “the Big Girls” buddy, regardless of how she actually plays. She has a soft mentality. It’s why when she missed her pk against Sweden they had to trend #dogsforchristen while Alex Morgan just toughened up and got over it.

          • #1Fan

            problem is the way you arbitrarily decide who the bog girls are. Is the NWSL irrelevant? Soccer does not begin and end with the USWNT games.

          • NYRick

            The #dogsforchristen was ridiculous, and if I were her I would have called that out and said so at the time. It positioned her as the lone goat of that Sweden loss. She did play a part in it no doubt and zero excuse for shanking a PK that badly in that pressure spot, but that was a team loss and simply Ellis got outcoached by Pia in tactics and personnel in that match as well. Press entered that match in around the 80th minute so obviously other players had a bigger chance for impact to the result of that match.

            And how do you know for certain that Alex toughened up and got over it? That’s your opinion. It seems Press went from there back to the NWSL and played pretty well. This idea that Alex is so mentally tougher than Press is pure speculation by many.

          • guest

            i would never have guessed that alex morgan only scored double-digit goals in only two years on the uswnt. that is pretty shocking.

          • hm

            Considering she spent a good 2/3 years with dead legs, knees, and ankles, its not that shocking

          • Reality

            I was surprised myself in analyzing some of the data.

          • Steglitz49

            Since you leave out 2012, you surprise yourself with reality, Reality.

          • Frozen Blue

            I think people like to overlook that Morgan had Abby as a partner for most of her career. They had lots of time to develop chemistry and their playing styles greatly benefited each other. Morgan wouldn’t be the star she is without Abby. Even Abby herself benefited from a relationship with Hamm. Strikers since have been on their own to learn their rolls and succeed.

          • hm

            They didn’t have lots of time to develop chemistry though. Morgan was flung into matches up top with her for the first 2 years of her career. Morgan had to make chemistry happen if she wanted to play. But I do agree, learning under Abby helped Morgan a lot.

          • Frozen Blue

            I agree right away they wouldn’t have had chemistry but once they were both starters, in those years under Pia, developing their chemistry was a priority emphasized often. But no doubt, Morgan legitimately earned her starter position by making the most out of the small opportunities given her.

          • Reality

            I have been eagerly anticipating the next great forward pairing. Been advocating for Morgan and Press for years but for a variety of reasons, it has not yet occurred. We’ll see what transpires between now and WC2019.

          • Frozen Blue

            I hope so too.

          • HOFCToDi

            It’s time to bring back the magic of 2008:

            fifa.com/u20womensworldcup/matches/round=250258/match=300066382/photos/index.html#

            fifa.com/u20womensworldcup/matches/round=250258/match=300066382/photos/index.html#976021

            fifa.com/u20womensworldcup/matches/round=250258/match=300066382/photos/index.html#972143

            fifa.com/u20womensworldcup/matches/round=250258/match=300066382/photos/index.html#971734

            fifa.com/u20womensworldcup/matches/round=250258/match=300066382/photos/index.html#971522

            fifa.com/u20womensworldcup/matches/round=250258/match=300066382/photos/index.html#971369

            fifa.com/u20womensworldcup/matches/round=250258/match=300066382/photos/index.html#971353

            ifa.com/u20womensworldcup/matches/round=250258/match=300066382/photos/index.html#971349

            fifa.com/u20womensworldcup/matches/round=250258/match=300066382/photos/index.html#971345

            fifa.com/u20womensworldcup/matches/round=250258/match=300066382/photos/index.html#971339

            fifa.com/u20womensworldcup/matches/round=250258/match=300066382/photos/index.html#971335

            fifa.com/u20womensworldcup/matches/round=250258/match=300066382/photos/index.html#971331

            fifa.com/u20womensworldcup/matches/round=250258/match=300066382/photos/index.html#971886

          • HOFCToDi

            Alex Morgan did not need Abby Wambach to come within a crossbar from a hat trick against Germany.

            pitchsidereport.com/2013/03/13/match-report-uswnt-wins-2013-algarve-cup-tournament-usa-2-0-germany-march-13th-2013/

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zN8lBGxk7Iw

          • HOFCToDi

            Alex Morgan did not need Abby Wambach to come off the bench to save the day against France.

            ussoccer.com/matches/wnt/2014/140619-wntvfra#tab-1

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dik3Ip1jobY

          • Steglitz49

            People do not overlook anything. It is the Press-brigade that selectively excludes what does not suit them, like Reality excluding 2012.

            Calls himself “Reality” but can’t cope with reality.

          • Kevin

            I think some things are ok to selectively exclude, such as tomato cans, but I agree that you can’t exclude an entire year in the middle of a data set. I understand the point he was making though.

            Regardless, including statistics from 4-6 years ago is pretty irrelevant to who is the better player NOW, especially when the numbers from 4-6 years ago are incredibly inflated compared to the last few years.

          • Steglitz49

            It is reasonable to exclude goals against teams ranked worse than 24 or 16 or 12 but not whatever takes your fancy.

            Of course, you can judge on 2017 but it is hard to do because 2017 is a meaningless year for the USWNT. As for club form, Lyon are paying Alex Morgan an awful lot of money. The rumor is that they want Pia as their next head coach and are prepared to make it worth Pia’s while.

            Reputation counts for a lot in any sport until the player is obviously on the downhill slope. The smart ones quit whle they are ahead. Some never scale the summit.

          • Kevin

            Reputation doesn’t win major tournaments.

            Contrary to what most incorrectly proclaim about moving Carli forward, we had to bench Abby to win the 2015 WC. That was the real difference.

          • Steglitz49

            What was Abby’s reputation going into 2015?

            JE had to swallow a bunch of Veterans. Even so, the US won WC-15 with a lot of help from FIFA granted.

            It seems that JE had to swallow again in 2016. This time it did not work out because instead of facing Sweden in group games as they had in 2011 and 2015, it was in the knock-out stage.

            Alex strikes fear into the hearts and minds of the opposition. Christen is seen as yet another fine US player.

          • NYRick

            “Alex strikes fear into the hearts and minds of the opposition. Christen is seen as yet another fine US player.”

            I know you are trying to wind up people with this statement (mainly me and Reality who smartly ignores you at this point), but seriously, come on with that. It can be easily argued that Morgan may be a better player than Press, may have had a better NT career etc., but the statement in it’s face value rings hollow for any follower of Woso. It’s nonsensical. If you think Press doesn’t concern the German and French coaching staff, their players and their strategy you know nothing about the sport.

          • CED

            You’re delusion is noted as usual.

          • Reality

            I included all the data for both players re: career goals and assists. I did break out for comparison Morgan’s extraordinary year of 2012 to contrast it with the rest of her production and also to put Press’s stats in perspective. Thank you for providing further information regarding comparisons between Morgan and Press’s relative minutes played at each position. Looking forward to the complete record.

          • Steglitz49

            2010 — Alex Morgan with her right foot nets a goal in injury time that ensures that the US has a chance of getting to WC-11.
            2011 — Alex Morgan’s coming out party in the WC-11 final. Granted, Aya Miyama achieved even more in that final but heck, we are Americans so lets root for the American girl on M.
            2012 — Alex’s most famous goal: the header at Old Trafford, yet another goal scored in the dying seconds of a game.
            — yes, Alex had all sorts of other goals and tons of assists in 2012 but we don’t need those.

            2017 — Lyon pays Alex Morgan 25,000 or 30,000€/month depending on whom you believe, possibly the highest pay since Marta came to the US to play. That fact, that Alex can command such a high fee, speaks volumes.

          • HOFCToDi

            USWNT 2013-2016
            FIFA Top 10 Ranked Opponents
            USWNT Goals Scored
            Morgan – 16 (too many to list)
            Lloyd – 8 (AUS, BRA, GER, JPN x 3, BRA, FRA)
            Leroux – 7 (CAN, BRA x 2, CAN, JPN, CAN, FRA)
            Wambach – 5 (GER, AUS, BRA, PRK x 2)
            Rapinoe – 4 (GER, BRA, AUS x 2)
            Press – 3 (AUS, FRA, AUS)
            Holiday – 2 (AUS, JPN)
            Johnston – 2 (FRA, JPN)
            Dunn – 2 (BRA, ENG)

            Christen Press has yet to even catch up to Abby Wambach!

            http://media.moddb.com/images/groups/1/3/2933/ROFLMAO.png

          • HOFCToDi

            USWNT 2013-2016
            FIFA Top 12 Ranked Opponents
            USWNT Goals Scored
            Morgan – 16 (too many to list)
            Lloyd – 11 (too many to list)
            Leroux – 7 (CAN, BRA x 2, CAN, JPN, CAN, FRA)
            Wambach – 5 (GER, AUS, BRA, PRK x 2)
            Rapinoe – 4 (GER, BRA, AUS x 2)
            Press – 3 (AUS, FRA, AUS)
            Holiday – 2 (AUS, JPN)
            Heath – 2 (JPN, CAN)
            Johnston – 2 (FRA, JPN)
            Dunn – 2 (BRA, ENG)
            Horan – 2 (CAN, JPN)

            Christen Press has yet to even catch up to Abby Wambach!

            http://media.moddb.com/images/groups/1/3/2933/ROFLMAO.png

          • Steglitz49

            You exclude a year arbritarily. You are a humbug, sir.

          • HOFCToDi

            Christen Press is the quintessential international FRAUD.

            4 years (2013, 2014, 2015, 2016)
            78 caps
            2 head coaches

            Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

            garbage time
            tomato cans

          • hm

            Calm down HOFCtoDi let’s not be calling names. She’s not a bad forward at all. I’m just trying to highlight Morgan’s importance against big teams.

          • HOFCToDi

            Please state the number of goals scored by Christen Press against the following opponents:

            BRA, CAN, ENG, GER, JPN, SWE

            Incidentally, the aforementioned lists the opponents that reached the semifinals of the 2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup and/or the 2016 Summer Olympic Games.

            fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/women/index.html

          • hm

            You obnoxiously commenting on every post takes away from your arguement, I’m not gonna lie.

          • HOFCToDi

            FIFA does not dole out FIFA World Cup trophies by beating up on tomato cans at meaningless international friendlies.

          • hm

            Listen my guy, we’re arguing the same point here. However, you obnoxiously commenting on EVERY post really detracts from that argument.

          • HOFCToDi

            The IOC does not dole out gold medals by beating up on tomato cans at meaningless international women’s friendlies.

          • NYRick

            I’ll agree with you that Morgan to her credit has been a big game player over the years. But in relation to Press you need to weigh all the info relevant to the argument. No one ever thought the Packers could ever have a QB more popular and more dynamic than Favre until someone named Rodgers got his chance after 3 plus years as Favre’s caddy.

          • HOFCToDi

            Christen Press was even worse at the 2016 Summer Olympic Games than the 2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup:

            Christen Press
            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
            Goals 1, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 7, Shots on Goal 2
            Penalty Kicks Attempted 0, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

            Christen Press
            2016 Summer Olympic Games
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 6, Shots on Goal 1
            Penalty Kicks Attempted 1, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

            http://media.moddb.com/images/groups/1/3/2933/ROFLMAO.png

          • hm

            … this is an awful argument because it could be like when people thought that a hot prospect named Nani could replace Cristiano Ronaldo successfully at Manchester United. That sure worked out well. (and I prefer Messi for the record)

            Bad take, NYRick.

          • NYRick

            Nani was nowhere near the talent of Cristiano, but I understand your point. Because he was from Portugal they made the silly comparison.

            My main point on that is that sports history has proven that sometimes there is a better player waiting in the wings for the chance, even to unseat and surpass the current unmovable star. Happens all the time. Even in business.

          • HOFCToDi

            Talking out of your arse, as usual.

            Christen Press is the most overrated player in USWNT history.

          • HOFCToDi

            Talking out of your arse, as usual.

            Summer Olympic Games
            Games Started
            Leroux (DOB 07 May 1990) – 0
            Press (DOB 29 Dec 1988) – 1

            Summer Olympic Games
            Minutes Played
            Leroux (DOB 07 May 1990) – 77
            Press (DOB 29 Dec 1988) – 123

            Summer Olympic Games
            Goals Scored
            Leroux (DOB 07 May 1990) – 1
            Press (DOB 29 Dec 1988) – 0

          • NYRick

            I’ll sum it up easily for you without the needless time-consuming research: one starts all the games at center forward for 90 minutes against top ten teams since 2012, the other doesn’t. There, easy.

          • hm

            doesn’t explain why press misses complete one on one’s with the keeper against top teams

          • NYRick

            This I will agree with you to an extent. Press has had some maddening misses and continual hits of the posts against the best teams even playing on the flank in sub roles. No doubt.

          • Steglitz49

            One earned that right in 2010 and 2011 and confirmed in in 2012 and again in 2013.

            It was TS’s bad luck that Alex Morgan got injured.

          • mockmook

            “It would take me a few hours to find every game and watch every game to see where in the world Jill Ellis is putting Christen.”

            Even using Fast Forward, it would be a daunting (and likely tedious) task.

          • HOFCToDi

            Christen “goose eggs” Press

            Christen Press
            2016 CONCACAF Women’s Olympic Qualifying
            Knockout Stage
            Goals – 0, Assists – 0

            Christen Press
            2016 SheBelieves Cup
            Goals – 0, Assists – 0

            Christen Press
            International Women’s Friendly
            2 Jun 2016
            USA 3 JPN 3
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 2, Shots on Goal 0

            foxsports.com/soccer/boxscore?id=26754

            Christen Press
            International Women’s Friendly
            5 Jun 2016
            USA 2 JPN 0
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 2, Shots on Goal 1

            foxsports.com/soccer/boxscore?id=26862

            Christen Press
            International Women’s Friendly
            9 Jul 2016
            USA 1 RSA 0
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 2, Shots on Goal 0

            foxsports.com/soccer/boxscore?id=26928

            Christen Press
            2016 Summer Olympic Games
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 6, Shots on Goal 1
            Penalty Kicks Attempted 1, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

          • HOFCToDi

            Alex Morgan
            2010, 2011, 2012 (thru 27 Jan 2012)
            Caps 30, Starts 2

            ussoccer.com/womens-national-team/stats/2010-statistics

            ussoccer.com/womens-national-team/lineups/2010-lineups

            ussoccer.com/womens-national-team/stats/2011-statistics

            ussoccer.com/womens-national-team/lineups/2011-lineups

            ussoccer.com/womens-national-team/stats/2012-statistics

            ussoccer.com/womens-national-team/lineups/2012-lineups

          • NYRick

            And yet you have the initial time to grace us with cherry-picked data to support your argument. Yet when confronted by legimate retort to acknowledge other data absolutely relevant to the discussion you give us the lame “sadly, I don’t have that much time on my hands”

          • #1Fan

            the discussion has no factual solution. Its one of style and preference. As such, no stats will prove it either way. I believe you will see Morgan and Press start tomorrow, with Lloyd in behind. Pugh/ Lavelle as well

          • DNG

            Are you thinking it’s the same formation? Who might Pugh and Lavelle be replacing in the lineup?

          • #1Fan

            Pugh for Dunn or Heath. Lavelle for Brian ?

          • Kevin

            I’d love to see Pugh, Dunn and Williams all in the game together playing at 1000mph.

          • mockmook

            Just think if we could have switched back and forth between fresh A-major and A-minor teams in this tournament:

            A-major:

            http://drawformation.com/post/58badb6ee2327/sm-58badb6ee2327.png

            A-minor:

            http://drawformation.com/post/58bae3c316d9d/sm-58bae3c316d9d.png

          • hm

            to quote myself before, “It took me about 10 minutes to go through and find out their numbers against top 10 teams by looking through match reports and doing some math.” You do the stats yourself. I don’t have the patience to comb through old games. I welcome anyone else to do it.

          • guest

            go back to making gross petty insults on breitbart. no one wants you here.

          • CED

            The answer is Morgan always played CF b/c that’s the only spot she can play. Press on the other hand was played out of position most of the time on the NT.

          • Gary Diver

            That is a very interesting (and astute) observation. Many of the USWNT star players can only play one position which forces other players to be played out of position. For example, over the past 2 years, a large number of USWNT non-MF players have been forced to try and learn how to play MF.

      • hm

        *I forgot to add in last nights totals, so it’s actually 377 minutes per goal for Press.

        Morgan: 1781 minutes
        Press: 1133 minutes

        • hm

          to further this…
          Morgan: 23 games
          Press: 24 games

        • Kevin

          Your stats are completely irrelevant if you’re going to ignore the fact that Press played probably less that 1/4 of those minutes at CF and over 2/3 of them at LM or RM.

      • Kevin

        Excellent questions mockmook.

        It’s really hard to compare Press and Morgan since Press has played a majority of her minutes at LM/RM and Morgan plays EVERY minute at F, and always in the middle.

        I don’t have all the stats since 2013, but I do have everything from 2015 thru the first 11 games of 2016. I’m in the process of adding the 2nd half of 2016 but didn’t have access to several of the matches until someone posted all of them to YouTube this past week. I hope to get everything caught up from 2015-present in the near future.

        I have detailed information, including minutes played at each position.

        Here’s a screenshot of a spreadsheet with Press’ numbers vs Top 30 teams for 2015 thru the first 11 games of 2016…

        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3ac7b3a1a6e26aaf2b1e796dc7fb0faadf0d46e36f6c996eeabd2bc5dae86d63.png

        CHRISTEN PRESS
        Games vs Top 30 = 22
        Games vs Top 10 = 8

        Minutes vs Top 30 = 1135
        Minutes vs Top 10 = 481

        Goals vs Top 30 = 5
        Goals vs Top 10 = 2

        Minutes at F vs Top 30 = 354 (31% of time on field)
        Minutes at F vs Top 10 = 154 (32% of time on field)

        Some of her goals were scored playing LM/RM.

        • Kevin

          In that same time frame…

          ALEX MORGAN
          Games vs Top 30 = 22
          Games vs Top 10 = 12

          Minutes vs Top 30 = 1650
          Minutes vs Top 10 = 902

          Goals vs Top 30 = 6
          Goals vs Top 10 = 4

          Assists vs Top 30 = 1
          Assists vs Top 10 = 1

          That’s 1 goal every 225.5 minutes vs Top 10 teams from 2015 through the first half of 2016, with only 1 assist.

          https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/808420bc93bbc9ff30751b04358c6e464cb7f5ec55608e5a582d6bff56e64238.png

          • ?

            But why use Morgan’s stats from when she was practically playing with a peg leg.

          • Kevin

            Alex Morgan in 2015 WC and 2016 Olympic Games…

            Games played (total) = 10
            Games played (vs Top 10) = 6

            Minutes (total) = 705
            Minutes (vs Top 10) = 410

            Goals (total) = 3
            Goals (vs Top 10) = 1

            Goals per Minute (total) = 1 every 235 minutes
            Goals per Minute (vs Top 10) = 1 every 410 minutes

            Assists = 0

          • Steglitz49

            This does not do it for me. It is like judging Aya Miyama on 2015 & 2016 instead of her main years.

            You do not need to look up Marta’s record nor Schelin’s or Hope’s to know why they are revered. Alex is in that category — the hors categorie, as they say in the Tour de France.

            If I type Jessica Diggins and Kikkan Randall to you, you will probably ask: who? When you check in Wikipedia, you will understand. Not as famous as Kalla and Björgen but they are Americans.

          • Kevin

            I’m not sure what you mean by “this does not do it for me”.

            Are you saying her stats aren’t good enough?

            Or those stats should be overlooked because she played great in previous years/tournaments?

            I understand why they are revered, but that is irrelevant as to determining how well they are playing now.

          • Steglitz49

            There are several issues on different levels in this long-running saga.

            The Pressgang since 2013 if not before have always claimed that Christen is a better player than Alex. That is not true. The facts are on Alex’s side.

            Now, if you suddenly discard what has gone before and want to judge on 2015-present, then you are asking a different question. The Presseroni are trying to make a connector and extension to the whole, which is in keeping with their usual sly and underhand antics.

            Nevertheless, the penalty hoofed over the goal on the Glorious 12th and hitting the cross-bar in the dying seconds of the NWSL SF at the end oh Sep, rings down the curtain. There is no need for statistics. The facts speak for themselves.

            Having typed that, I confess that I expected Alex not to bother with OG-16 but instead join ARod and Syd in their club.

          • Kevin

            When evaluating how good a player is now, everything that happened 5 years ago is irrelevant when the player in question has had countless injuries and hasn’t played anywhere near that same level since then (for 4 consecutive years now).

            I think Alex is probably still the better forward, but I think her and Press are close. I don’t think Press has elevated her game up to Alex’s level though as much as Alex’s has regressed down to Press’.

            I think both are **currently** overrated.

            Lynn Williams might be as good or better than both of them right now. We’ll have to wait and see how she plays in the next few months (assuming she gets/earns enough minutes). She had an off game on Wednesday, but still scored and almost had an opportunity for a highlight reel goal when she burnt two defenders and opted for the field goal instead. I think she finishes that one more often than not, but we’ll see… only time will tell.

            I’m not sold on her yet, but we’re just over 2 years out now and need to be looking at more options than just Alex and Press… and ARod is definitely not one of them.

          • Steglitz49

            You might well be right in your conclusion that — “I think both are **currently** overrated” — but the powers that be in Lyon are prepared to pay Alex 25,000 €/month for her services.

            I don’t know how little Carli, Crystal or HAO are paid in England, but 25,000 €/month is not to be sneezed at. I certainly earn nothing like that much.

          • HOFCToDi

            Christen Press is the most overrated player in USWNT history.

          • Kevin

            The Pressgang issues are something that you’re injecting. I could care less what people posted on here about Morgan and/or Press 4 years ago. It’s completely irrelevant. Time to move on.

          • Steglitz49

            The Pressgang have not moved on. That is why HOFCToDi is riled.

          • HOFCToDi

            It’s hilarious how calendar year 2016 is now considered irrelevant since Christen Press was abysmal.

            Calendar Year 2016
            FIFA Top 12 Ranked Opponents
            USWNT Goals Scored
            Morgan (DOB 02 Jul 1989) – 6
            Lloyd (DOB 16 Jul 1982) – 2
            Horan (DOB 26 May 1994) – 2
            Long (DOB 13 Aug 1987) – 1
            Heath (DOB 29 May 1988) – 1
            Johnston (DOB 06 Apr 1992) – 1
            Dunn (DOB 03 Jul 1992) – 1
            Mewis (DOB 09 Oct 1992) – 1

            By the way, Christen Press is not on the list.

            ussoccer.com/womens-national-team/lineups/2016-lineups

          • HOFCToDi

            It’s hilarious how calendar year 2016 is now considered irrelevant since Christen Press was abysmal.

            Sunday, 21 Feb 2016
            TSG announces CWOQ Best XI, Awards

            http://www.ussoccer.com/~/media/images/wnt/gallery-images/2016/02/160221-wnt-v-can/photo-gallery/160221-wnt-vs-can-photo-gallery19.jpg?h=600&w=786&la=en&hash=BF5ABEEA5BE7034EF13FA4F320F9E7BB8E549331&amp

            concacaf.com/article/tsg-announces-cwoq-best-xi-awards

            By the way, Christen Press is not on the list.

            Christen Press is the quintessential international FRAUD.

            4 years (2013, 2014, 2015, 2016)
            78 caps
            2 head coaches

            Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

            garbage time
            prima donna
            selfish shot hog
            tomato cans

          • HOFCToDi

            It’s hilarious how calendar year 2016 is now considered irrelevant since Christen Press was abysmal.

            Friday, 11 Mar 2016
            Morgan, Solo and the USA Sweep Awards at 2016 SBC

            http://www.ussoccer.com/~/media/images/wnt/gallery-images/2016/03/160309-wnt-v-ger/160309-wnt-vs-ger-gallery20.jpg?h=559&w=800&la=en&hash=B1A7B6E0C01C796F4C31CF422F0CC370A4D5CF89&amp

            ussoccer.com/stories/2016/03/11/13/17/160311-wnt-morgan-solo-and-the-usa-sweep-awards-at-2016-shebelieves-cup

            By the way, Christen Press is not on the list.

            Christen Press is the quintessential international FRAUD.

            4 years (2013, 2014, 2015, 2016)
            78 caps
            2 head coaches

            Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

            garbage time
            prima donna
            selfish shot hog
            tomato cans

          • HOFCToDi

            It’s hilarious how calendar year 2016 is now considered irrelevant since Christen Press was abysmal.

            Christen Press
            2016 Summer Olympic Games
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 6, Shots on Goal 1
            Penalty Kicks Attempted 1, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

            Christen Press
            2016 Rio Olympics
            12 Aug 2016
            USA 1 SWE 1
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 2, Shots on Goal 0
            Penalty Kicks Attempted 1, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

            Christen Press
            2016 Rio Olympics
            09 Aug 2016
            USA 2 COL 2
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 4, Shots on Goal 1
            Penalty Kicks Attempted 0, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

          • HOFCToDi

            It’s hilarious how calendar year 2016 is now considered irrelevant since Christen Press was abysmal.

            Christen Press
            International Women’s Friendly
            2 Jun 2016
            USA 3 JPN 3
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 2, Shots on Goal 0

            foxsports.com/soccer/boxscore?id=26754

            Christen Press
            International Women’s Friendly
            5 Jun 2016
            USA 2 JPN 0
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 2, Shots on Goal 1

            foxsports.com/soccer/boxscore?id=26862

            Christen Press
            International Women’s Friendly
            9 Jul 2016
            USA 1 RSA 0
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 2, Shots on Goal 0

            foxsports.com/soccer/boxscore?id=26928

            Christen Press
            International Women’s Friendly
            18 Sep 2016
            USA 3 NED 1
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 2, Shots on Goal 0

            foxsports.com/soccer/boxscore?id=32516

          • HOFCToDi

            It’s hilarious how calendar year 2016 is now considered irrelevant since Christen Press was abysmal.

            Calendar Year 2016
            FIFA Top 12 Ranked Opponents
            USWNT Goals Scored
            Press – 0

            Calendar Year 2016
            FIFA Top 12 Ranked Opponents
            USWNT Assists Provided
            Press – 0

          • HOFCToDi

            The USWNT was established in 1985 not 2015.
            Furthermore, the “Press Gang Troll Brigade” now completely dismiss calendar year 2012, as if it never happened.

          • HOFCToDi

            It’s irrelevant to you, only you.

          • HOFCToDi

            The USWNT was established in 1985 not 2015.

          • mockmook

            Wow, Kevin has done a MASSIVE amount of research to get this, and your response is he hasn’t done enough?

          • Steglitz49

            The wrong research?

          • Kevin

            I don’t get what you’re saying. What does being revered have to do with any of this?

            It’s not a popularity contest.

          • Steglitz49

            Ask Zlatan! or, Lars Lagerbäck.

          • Kevin

            Once again, what does being revered have to do with any of this?

          • mockmook

            I’m afraid you are doing the equivalent of arguing with an ironing board…

          • Kevin

            Yeah, I just have no clue what the hell he’s talking about half the time. I’m not even trying to debate with him but just trying to understand what the hell he’s saying.

          • Steglitz49

            Do you follow sports? or, just statistics?

          • Kevin

            Do you understand English? I’m asking you what it has to do with the conversation.

          • Kevin

            Why are you dodging a simple question? What does being revered have to do with how well someone is playing now?

            Tim Tebow was revered by many. It doesn’t mean he should be the starting QB for an NFL team.

          • HOFCToDi

            The USWNT was established in 1985.

          • HOFCToDi

            Christen Press
            2014 CONCACAF Women’s World Cup Qualifying
            Knockout Stage (MEX, CRC)
            Assists 0

            Christen Press
            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
            Assists 0

            Christen Press
            2016 CONCACAF Women’s Olympic Qualifying
            Knockout Stage (TRI, CAN)
            Assists 0

            Christen Press
            2016 SheBelieves Cup (ENG, FRA, GER)
            Assists 0

            Christen Press
            2016 Summer Olympic Games (COL, SWE)
            Assists 0

          • HOFCToDi

            Christen Press
            2014 CONCACAF Women’s World Cup Qualifying
            Knockout Stage
            Assists – 0

            Christen Press
            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
            Assists – 0

            Christen Press
            2016 CONCACAF Women’s Olympic Qualifying
            Knockout Stage
            Assists – 0

            Christen Press
            2016 SheBelieves Cup (ENG, FRA, GER)
            Assists – 0

            Christen Press
            2016 Summer Olympic Games
            Assists – 0

          • HOFCToDi

            equalizersoccer.com/2015/05/08/alex-morgan-injury-knee-bone-bruise-world-cup/

            equalizersoccer.com/2015/05/27/alex-morgan-day-to-day-knee-bone-bruise-uswnt/

            equalizersoccer.com/2015/07/17/alex-morgan-right-knee-surgery-out-3-4-weeks/

          • Kevin

            Which games? She played 70+ minutes in 19 of those 22 games.

          • Steglitz49

            The harsh reality is that Alex Morgan’s fame is based on her goals in 2010 – 2013, which are not part of your data set.

            Alex is a left-footed player. Her most famous goal is a header. Her second most important goal, some would say her most important goal, she scored with her right foot, not her left.

            Does Christen Press truly not have a single assist? In 2012 Alex was an assist-machine.

          • Kevin

            EXACTLY! What has Morgan done lately other than rack up goals vs Tomato Cans?

            I’m not saying Press has been any better either. I think Williams might be better than both of them right now, even though she was a little shaky the other night.

            Morgan didn’t have an assist. Press had 2 assists in the 2015 Algarve Cup vs Norway (rank 12) and Switzerland (rank 19).

          • CED

            Williams is a regression in style and tactics. Pure smash and grab player with a poor touch.

          • HOFCToDi

            You are a clueless moron.

          • HOFCToDi

            YOU ARE A LIAR!

            ussoccer.com/womens-national-team/tournaments/2015-algarve-cup/150306-wnt-v-sui#tab-1

            You are a clueless moron, a blithering idiot, and a worthless troll.

          • HOFCToDi

            Hey dumbass,

            The USWNT was established in 1985 not 2015.

          • HOFCToDi
          • HOFCToDi

            No one gives a crap about top 30.

        • #1Fan

          Lot of numbers. I dont think they say very much. One player seems to be improving and the other is arguably in decline.

          • Kevin

            I don’t think either are improving, but Alex definitely seems to be in decline as injuries have taken a toll on her I’m sure.

            The numbers also don’t include what others have said… Press played several games at Forward in a 4-3-3 out on the sides and not as the CF, which is where Morgan was playing.

            I don’t think either Morgan or Press are the answer for 2019. They are who they are. Alex will NEVER be 2012 Alex again after all her injuries (and no Wambach).

            I’d rather see the younger players get a shot up front. Williams looks like she has a lot of potential and will most likely improve her game between now and 2019. She’s only 23 and should be hitting her prime at WC 2019.

            Maybe Lavelle isn’t ready yet, but she should be by 2019, so let’s start giving her minutes. Now is the perfect time to vet these young players. Who cares if we lose a few games… it will be valuable experience for 2019.

          • HOFCToDi

            So says the clueless moron.

        • mockmook

          You are a national treasure — don’t let that go to your head

          However, this level of obsession is serial killer worthy — just thought I’d let you know 😉

          • Steglitz49

            Disraeli was right: there are lies, damned lies and serial killers.

          • Kevin

            LOL… you’ve made that comment to me before. I always re-watch every game at least once and when I do I just record some of the stats.

            I have a Master’s Degree in this exact area and took a lot of data mining classes in college. It took me less than 10 seconds to pull up that information. Initially setting up the database took some time, and recording the stats probably adds 30-45 minutes onto watching the game. I just don’t always have the free time to keep up with it unfortunately.

    • CED

      Purposely deceptive stat b/c everyone knows Press rarely played CF, she was stuck out wide all the time, while Morgan always at CF.

  • HOFCToDi

    2017 SheBelieves Cup
    USA versus GER
    Half Time Statistics

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abmruXqVJPc

    2:21

  • dispassionate observer

    COMPARING PRESS TO MORGAN MISSES THE POINT….

    True that Press like Morgan is a natural ‘9’.But Press did not play ‘9’ against Germany on Wednesday night.As a matter of fact there was no true ‘9’ in the 3-4-3.The system featured three strikers willing to press and get the ball back when the defense gets the ball.Press orchestrated the only goal because she challenged and won the ball from the defender. Alex is not known as a pressing forward willing to challenge defenders for the ball.She is more a traditional center forward waiting for the ‘hail Mary’ pass.

    • guest

      alex morgan is a mega-star. she doesn’t have to play defense.

      • dispassionate observer.

        Only suitable for the old traditional US soccer approach featuring ‘Hail Mary’ passes.

    • mockmook

      “Dear” DO,

      You hardly sound “dispassionate” — let your freak flag fly — let people know, for instance, that you like to mock mooks (or whatever your twist is).

      BTW, you are total mook regarding your analysis of Alex’s game.

      • dispassionate observer

        Soccer is not Reality TV.

        • mockmook

          WTH does that even mean?

          BTW, a soccer game is reality. And, it is often on TV

          So….

      • dispassionate observer

        I like Alex as the natural ‘9’ in the traditional 4-4-2 or the lone striker in 4-3-2-1 formation.Those formations provide her space to run under ‘HAIL MARY’ passes.Suits her well because she is a good finisher.

    • NYRick

      I think 2012 Morgan was a forward waiting for the Hail Mary pass. That was also due to opponents having to worry about Wambach crashing the box and her general whereabouts. Alex snuck up on the soccer world with her pace and emergence, and really reckless abandon that she played with. Give her massive credit for 2012, her season, her exposure (her looks didn’t hurt for the media) took WoSo to another level in the US. Every WoSo player should be thankful to her for that. She broke barriers and the casual sports fan who only knew of women’s soccer maybe through the 99 team or the names of Mia Hamm and Abby Wambach took more notice. Mind you, the casual fan at the time rarely saw Mia and Abby play, they just knew their names. Alex made them watch.

      But she had an injury against Boston in 2013 NWSL match on a horrible pitch and in my opinion has never been the same. Up till that point she was basically indestructible. I remember saying on these boards back then that I thought she was made of titanium. Regardless of how hard the fall or the knock, she would bounce right up. After that first 2013 injury scare and various other nicks, he game changed. I still hope for a Morgan-Press forward pairing but have grown to realize that will never happen for reasons too numerous that have been discussed many times on here. That’s the real shame of the program.

      • Steglitz49

        In short, Alex is the real McCoy, just like Laura Dahlmeier. Lyon are paying their 25,000 €/month for that. The matches at the end of this month will ell us if Lyon’s spending was on the money or down the drain.

      • thoughts

        The thing that I hate about this line of thinking is that Alex was actually really good last year. 17 goals (or was it 18 I’m forgetting), 6 of which against top 10 teams. She had a good year. She’s back on her game. She’s not out for the count. In 2012 you saw her playmaking ability because they were playing with 2 up top and because she was healthy. When Orlando played with 2 up top last year you could see that, despite having an all around awful team. The first that comes to mind is during the game vs. the Reign last year. Alex gave great crosses and disrupted the defense. And I remember towards the end Alex was playing more as a playmaker (she spent most of the time deep into the Pride’s half) and she gave great balls that the Pride could never capitalize on.

        I was at the game yesterday and I was on England’s side for the first half. Alex kept making great runs behind the defense but no one even though about playing a long ball or through ball down the middle. We probably would’ve scored something if they did play that ball.

  • HOFCToDi

    Congratulations U-20 USMNT!

    U.S. U-20 MNT Clinches Place at 2017 FIFA U-20 World Cup

    ussoccer.com/stories/2017/03/04/00/21/20170303-recap-u20mnt-clinches-place-at-2017-fifa-u20-world-cup-with-2-1-win-against-el-Salvador

    Get rid of one Klinsmann, add another.

  • dispassionate observer

    WHY USWNT WON BALL POSSESSION TIME AGAINST GERMANY…..

    Germany has always won the ball possession battle even in games they lost to US.And the last World Cup was no different.But last Wednesday night was different.

    First, Jill’s variation of Chelsea’s 3-4-3 system meant she needed forwards who were committed to defending and getting the ball when they lost it to play wingbacks.
    Tobin and Crystal worked hard defending when the ball was intercepted by the opposition.They dropped back to close passing lanes at the flanks, making it harder
    for Germany to mount counter attacks.

    Second, Christine Press has transformed into a pressing forward ready to fight for the ball from opposing defenders.Her dispossession of the ball from the German defender was instrumental in Williams goal.Both Williams and Lloyd displayed these hustling qualities in the game.

    Third, the play of the wingbacks and two central midfielders was also instrumental in winning back lost balls.Position discipline meant German attacks more often than not were to no avail.
    Casey Short played stellar defense to thwart any German offensive forays from the right side of the field-main focus of German attacks.And Tobin H’eath’s timely drops into defensive position aided this effort.

    The system requires versatile and disciplined players willing to work hard. The sky is the limit once this is perfected. Still work in progress.

    • Bill

      thoughtful post. thanks for the contribution

    • dw

      I don’t think it was any of that. I think it was mainly due to the tomato can speed exhibited by Germany. They couldn’t advance the ball quicker than USWNT mids and wings tracking back. I’m not going to try and kid anyone into that it was Ellis’ system or dominant play by Brian and Mewis, because it wasn’t.

      • mockmook

        DO didn’t claim that the midfielders were dominant.

        And, GER is one of the best teams in the world, even if they are slow as molasses (which I don’t concede), they know how to move ball by passing.

      • dispassionate observer

        Not true. Germans played at their usual speed. US players were just quicker in clogging those passing lanes..Perhaps, knowledge of Chelsea’so 3-4-3 system might help your appreciation of what Jill is trying to do.

        • DNG

          The USWNT does not play the same exact formation as Chelsea. Chelsea play a 3-4-2-1 with a CF and 2 wide AM’s while the USWNT play with 2 CF and someone who think she’s a 10. Chelsea also rarely high presses while the USWNT use a high press to generate a lot of their chances. Chelsea defend deep so they can release their attackers into space on the break. I don’t think the teams are that similar at all to be honest.

          • Steglitz49

            Chelsea Ladies or Chelsea men?

            Maybe Crystal can enlighten us?

          • DNG

            I was talking about Chelsea men since I am more familiar with their formation and that is who DO seemed to be referring to when mentioning Chelsea. Chelsea ladies might play the same formation though.

          • Steglitz49

            Those pesky Europeans call their teams Ladies or Féminine or Damen or Frauen, which makes it harder than giving them names like Thorns and Dash.

        • dw

          Granted it’s early yet, but this is the dumbest thing I’ve heard today. Correlation does not imply causality. Ellis’ 3-back has NOTHING to do with Chelsea’s system. Perhaps, Professor, your clearly superior soccer knowledge has let you down.

    • CED

      Did you watch the game? If you did you would know that a bunch of US possession was square passes between the back 3 b/c they had no clue how to distribute the ball to the MF. The CM’s of Mewis and Brain could barely get a touch forthe1st 60 minutes the game. It was a bunch if useless possession, I could give you 4 or 5 sequences of utterly purposeless passes between the back 3.

      • dispassionate observer

        Any serious student of soccer knows that ball possession means keeping the ball from your opponent.Soccer can be a fast game; consequently gaps close faster. Ball possession dictates passing the ball back to the defense to find the open player to initiate an attack. Another way is to play faster; but easier said than done, especially if you have to run for 90 minutes.The only clueless person is you.Please read ‘soccer formations and tactics’ before posting.

        • CED

          You clearly didn’t watch the game or are even dumber than expected. The possession was largely worthless, the only time they could string together 3 passes all game were the the useless square balls to the back 3. If you watched the game you would know they were actually clueless in how to make the distribution to the MF. Btw you dipshit as a 30 yr barca fan I know possession. I was taught and coached by european coaches who were all about possession, useful possession. I have coached possession based team, usefull possession. US possession was not useful. But you didn’t watch the game , are clueless and are the typical USWNT fangirl incapable of understanding the game or making/accepting any critique of the poor style the USWNT plays.

          • mockmook

            Apparently you didn’t absorb any of the coaching, because, as DO points out, any possession is “useful”

            Hint: The other team can’t score against you if you have the ball

          • Steglitz49

            He is an ignorant peasant, which he has demonstrated time and again. he is in reality = Droll, Chief executive of trolls.

          • DNG

            While this is of course true. You can accumulate very good opportunities on goal with as little as 20-30% possession for a match. I in terms of order of importance I think the goal of teams should really be reduce the # of high quality chances(think Thomis pass to Le Sommer sitter at last SBC) to as few as possible, then to reduce the number of shots overall, and after those two then worry about possession. In terms of importance for scoring I think teams should focus on creating as many high quality chances as possible and shot generation, after those two things comes time of possession. Obviously in a perfect world a great team would create lots of great chances, concede very few great chances and shots, and control the tempo of matches.

          • Steglitz49

            The only picture you need to keep on your retina is: https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0e37b9a9146ae430060a45bb31749c1aab9f993e6b0a720c2237deabf1d41252.jpg
            because it strikes fear into the hearts of all coaches and players.

            Had the USWNT checked it out on the Glorious 12th last year, they may well not have gone home with their tails between their legs.

          • CED

            You prove again you know nothing about the game.

          • Steglitz49

            In WoSo, the Golden Generation of the Nadeshiko is as near as we will get to great possession soccer in WoSo. We remove our hats and bow our heads in recognition.

            The man who created the modern Barca way of playing was Johan Cruyff, the great man himself. There have, well understood, been other great players who have became influential coaches like Nils Liedholm and Mario Zagalo. But, we drift away from WoSo. Basta.

          • dispassionate observer

            Your post betrayed your lack of soccer knowlegde. Invectives connote cognitive dysfunction.Please educate yourself.

          • CED

            You nothing nothing of the game and your responses over time and this one prove it.

  • Gary Diver

    U23

    Could someone please give us updates on the U23 La Manga match between USWNT and England? (There has been less information about this tournament than hen’s teeth.)

    • CED

      There was a live stream and the link was on the US Soccer website

      • Gary Diver

        Thanks. I reside outside the US and when I tried to go to the USSF link, it said “page not found”. Then I went to the Football TV site and it’s pay for view. Unfortunately, I don’t have time to watch the whole match so I will pass on paying $7 to watch snippets.

  • Bruce

    PSA: The Germany-France match streams live today on http://www.foxsportsgo.com starting at 2:15 pm EST.

    No login required.

  • Gary Diver

    U23

    Apparently England beat USWNT U23 2-0. All I could find was the final score and I had to go to a betting site to even find this modicum of information.

    • mockmook

      C’mon, most sources have to ship the pixels from Spain — that could take weeks…

  • CED

    TV Ratings for the game Wednesday, 0.12 share in 18-49 demographics and 310K total viewers.

    • Steglitz49

      Is that good or bad? Where on the Beaufort scale if not the Richter scale?

      In 2003 45% of Sweden watched the ladies WC final, a record never gotten close to. Allegedly 37% of Japan stayed up in the night of 2011 to watch their Nadeshiko. The WC-15 final attracted about 8% of the US population.

      • CED

        That’s not good. It was the 95th most watched cable tv show . 310K is not good in US.for primetime.

  • Gary Diver

    What is the significance of U23?

    It’s a slow day. I found this report of a 5-0 win by USWNT U23 over Norway in 2012 La Manga (5 years ago). I am amazed that none of the USWNT U23 players made a place for herself on the national team – not a single player on the roster made the next step. I thought U23 was suppose to be a developmental team?

    http://www.ussoccer.com/stories/2014/03/17/13/21/u23-wnt-defeats-norway-5-0-to-win-four-nations-tournament

    • CED

      The problem with U-23 in general is that they really don’t play many games, train, etc… It is kind of meant to fill the gap between U-20 and college graduation, usually 22years old, to keep people in USSF radar beyond monitoring college performance before full NT The thing that tends to happen is the best players often start getting called into full NT camp their jr and sr years of college or get capped. There are very few instances where U-23 was a players spring board to full NT or some player not already in U system for years gets into U-23 and get a chance at full NT.

    • Steglitz49

      For the boys it is significant. For the lasses, it is not worth a pitcher of warm spit. Indeed, it marks a young lady out as a failure.

  • Reality

    Well, that took a while to issue…

    https://twitter.com/stuholden/status/838109929802063872

    • mockmook

      Yay!!!!!

    • guest

      cowards at the USSF

    • mockmook

      I suspect that Rapinoe will suddenly discover that her protests are no longer needed (as Kaepernick apparently has), and that all is right with the world.

  • mockmook

    Rose Lavelle!!!!!

    • DNG

      If that graphic is correct I’m very skeptical of playing her at WB. It’s absolutely nuts that we can’t go a match without Lloyd to see what other players look like. KO would have been able to play WB.

      • mockmook

        Not Rose’s best position, but at least she is on the field — and she is doing fine so far.

        Yeah, some horrible mismatching of players and positions:

        Rose should be at CAM/CM
        Horan should be at CF or CAM
        Lloyd should be in a skybox drinking cocoa

        • DNG

          “Lloyd should be in a skybox drinking cocoa”

          I would up vote this more than once if I could. Lloyd seems to be playing a little better as a result of England sitting off more than Germany. Game has been very open.

  • Gary Diver

    Is USWNT playing today?

    This has to be one of the deadest days at Equilizer I’ve ever seen for a game day.

    Here is the USWNT starting XI for today’s match.

    http://www.ussoccer.com/stories/2017/03/04/19/39/20170304-news-wnt-lineup-notes-us-wnt-takes-on-england-in-shebelieves-cup

    Observation: Somewhat strange lineup.

    1. Finally we get to see Rose Lavelle on the field for USWNT.

    2. With Becky Sauerbrunn, Julie Johnston, and Ali Krieger the 3 backs, who is effectively going to move the ball forward out of the backfield? Seems like an odd combination to me. I would give Emily Sonnett has many minutes as possible. She is more likely to be starting at WC19 than today’s three starters.

    3. Christen Press is on the bench. That in itself could cause a posting duel.

    4. Strange that Alex Morgan is starting when she is not feeling well nor been playing well lately.

    5. Is Samantha Mewis and Lindsey Horan both on the field at the same time too much of the same?

    6. If Brianna Pinto is not going to see the SBC field, she should be playing for U23 at La Mange.

    • mockmook

      Horan has been brilliant at finding open players, but she can’t keep up when defending. Should be at CAM (let Mewis be a DM).

      Agree on (6)

  • Bruce

    The cost-benefit of a 3-5-2 with playing out nicely in the first half of USA-ENG. Wings (and even Mewis) have been given the green light to get forward, and are creating chances, but the back three are being left out to dry. Lavelle providing a lot on offense, but the US could easily lose if she doesn’t get back on the counter.

    Entertaining match to watch.

    • DNG

      England are leaving themselves a lot more open than Germany did the other night? US players are getting more time on the ball. I like the young players though.

      • Bruce

        I think you are right. It seemed that France committed much more to pressuring the wings when pressing. England seems to have given the US freedom to advance up the flanks.

  • Guest

    Lucy . Freaking. Bronze.

    • guest

      I’m really liking these English women. Scrappy and they have a lot of heart. Much better game than the GER one. Germany played much better today but had typical finishing issues.

      • guest

        Agreed. Hopefully this win will give them some much needed publicity.

  • Gary Diver

    On the same day England U23 beats USWNT 2-0, their senior team beats USWNT 1-0. Not counting the “meaningless Wambach China farewell match”, this is the first time in 13 years USWNT has lost a home match. Is that meaningless?

    Living outside the US, I could not watch the match live but I followed the match through the US Soccer WNT Twitter and time and time again people were singing the praises of Lavelle, Horan, Mewis, Dunn, Pugh, Krieger, Johnston, and Harris. So if so many of the players were playing great soccer, why couldn’t they perform better? One complaint was that Ellis needs smarter substitutions. Is that a fair criticism?

    Who were the 3 USWNT star players of the match?

    • HOFCToDi

      1. Lavelle
      2. Mewis
      3. Pugh

      Krieger was awful. Horan not much better. Harris distribution stinks.

    • guest

      Lavelle and Mewis were very good. Dunn had her moments. Horan is too slow to play midfield. She probably should have started Press since Alex is not in form, but who knows if Press would have scored. Ashlyn scares me in the net, but that goal wasn’t really her fault. Bronze – White goal was reminiscent of the Press – Williams exchange last match…. once ashlyn was down she wasn’t going to recover.

      • guest

        Also I’m totally over Allie Long… would be happy to never see her play another game with the NT. Can’t we bring back Menges or an actual defender who has some speed?

      • Frozen Blue

        Dunn was good, totally owned her defender, made good crosses into the box and made a great defensive play, Pugh in her position couldn’t get past her defender. Wasn’t a good substitution decision.

    • DNG

      I’m over Johnston to be honest. Not as a reaction to the goal but she just makes too many mistakes. Earlier in the match she mis-cleared a cross that sent England’s Parris in on goal.

      • guest

        interesting. I didn’t watch the game but was reading that she was on fire. So odd how people can watch the same game and come to very different conclusions

        • DNG

          She makes a lot of flashy tackles and plays aggressively so the announcers tend to notice her. Saurebrunn is miles better defensively and you almost never hear her get the same kind of praise because she doesn’t have to make last ditch tackle to cover mistakes, is excellent at positioning herself and reads the game very well. Sauerbrunn makes the work look easy, Johnston does not.

    • guest

      Carli stinking up the joint again. She needs to play forward as a supersub or just retire. She is not a 90 minute player at this point. She is Wambach II.

      • ABCDE

        Imagine the possibilities with Lavelle in her spot? Loved watching Rose tonight. I know it’s hard to get off the gravy train but for the good of the program, Carli needs to be benched or uh.. counseled out. Her time has come and gone.

        • CED

          If Ellis is serious about playing a more technical, possession, style in her 3 back system, she should try line up with Heath, Dunn, Pugh, Lavelle, Brian, Press as your front 6. sit Mewis deep, and then play 3 defenders. Try what defenders you like but Krieger and Johnson are not 3 back type players. Both are way to spastic under pressure.

          • guest

            I agree that this is their strongest line up right now. The back line IMO is still a problem. I don’t trust Long defensively and the line up tonight was shaky.

    • mockmook

      The players did fine playing where they were assigned, but the tactics and the player mix needed tweaking if the point was to win the game.

      JE puts players in a position to fail — she needs to pick and position the players correctly for the formation/tactics that she will use.

      Here’s how I’d do it for “my” 3-5-2

      http://drawformation.com/post/58bb76f32c25d/sm-58bb76f32c25d.png