Carli Lloyd officially signs with Manchester City

Dan Lauletta February 15, 2017 273
Carli Lloyd puts pen to paper on a new contract to play for Manchester City Women (photo: Manchester City)

Carli Lloyd puts pen to paper on a new contract to play for Manchester City Women (photo: Manchester City)

Two-time FIFA World Player of the Year, Carli Lloyd has officially signed a short-term contract to play for Manchester City Women during the club’s abbreviated spring campaign plus the Women’s FA Cup and Champions League campaign where the FAWSL holders are through to the quarterfinals.

“I’m incredibly excited to be joining Manchester City, a Club which is leading the development of women’s football both on and off the pitch,” Lloyd said.

Lloyd confirmed in a tweet shortly after the announcement that she intends to rejoining the Dash after her short stay at Manchester City.

Lloyd joins U.S. teammates Alex Morgan and Crystal Dunn plus former U.S. teammate Heather O’Reilly in Europe. Lloyd is joining the reigning FAWSL champions, while Dunn (Chelsea) and O’Reilly (Arsenal) previously joined the only two sides to finish within 10 points of Man City. Morgan is currently with Lyon.

{RELATED: Waldrum says Dash are “not built around just one player”}

Man City’s debut match in the Spring Series is April 23 against Dunn’s Chelsea side. Champions League play resumes March 23 with a trip to Denmark to face Fortuna Hjørring.

“Having played in the U.S. throughout my career, the chance to fulfill a long-held ambition to test myself in a new footballing environment, as well as playing in the Champions League, is something I am relishing,” Lloyd, 34, said.

Lloyd is the current FIFA World Player of the Year, an award she has won the last two years. Her most iconic moment was the first half of the 2015 World Cup final when she scored a hat trick in the opening 16 minutes in the United States’ 5-2 win over Japan. Lloyd repeated in 2016 despite the U.S. going out in the quarterfinals of the Olympics and a knee injury that cost her two months of the Dash season. She hit the gold medal-winning strike at the 2008 Olympics in Beijing and duplicated the feat four years later in London.

“We are a successful team but a young team too having only entered the Women’s Super League three years ago,” Man City coach Nick Cushing said. “Adding players to our squad with substantial experience is crucial to our development.
“Carli has had an incredible career and is recognized as one of the best in the world. There is much we can learn from her that will help us to improve as a team. We are all looking forward to working with her over the coming months”.

In four NWSL seasons with the Western New York Flash and Dash, Lloyd has 25 goals and 9 assists in 53 appearances. She was limited to 7 matches for the Dash last season due to her injured knee and the Olympics.

The Lloyd to Manchester City rumors began to fly late last week following a report in Times Sport. Jonathan Tannenwald of philly.com and Corey Roepken of The Houston Chronicle were among the first to confirm the move after chasing the story through the weekend. Tannenwald reported that Lloyd turned down offers from Lyon and an unspecified club in China. She is expected to be back in the United States next week for training camp with the U.S. ahead of the SheBelieves Cup.

  • Steglitz49

    Well done! Go for it Carli. Bring home the silverware, not the tupperware.

  • wosofan

    Make lots of money and miss very little of the NWSL season. Good deal all around.

    • Tully

      How much money? Maybe it’s her desire to play in an attractive environment with interesting and challanging competitions.
      .
      NWSL season is already very short. So she misses a good portion of an already short season. But since it seems to be standard for the NWSL that key players are not playing for a substantial part of the season we are not surprised that you label her not being available until June as a good deal for the NWSL

    • Her timetable?

      Does she go back for the Fall season and when would that start? My understanding that these are 18 month contracts (through Spring 2018).

      • Her timetable?

        I see from a report on BS that this a short term contract.

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    • Silver Frost

      She’ll miss about half the season, which is better than last year, when when missed 90%. When she returns to Houston, Dash will already be out of the playoff picture.

      • old math teacher

        90% ???
        Lloyd played in 7 of 20 Dash matches in 2016, missed 13 due to injury and OG, math percent for missed 13 of 20 is 65%

        For 2017 appears Lloyd will miss first 2 months of 6 month NWSL season and math for 2 out of 6 is one third not about half.

        • rkmid71

          I guess every case is different, but that might have been the longest MCL sprain recovery in history…especially with OG prep and game fitness being so critical. I guess she didn’t need to test in competitive NWSL games.

        • tonysocref

          Depending on what the final schedule is, she will miss 8 – 12 matches. Assuming that she stays healthy that’s 33% – 50% of the matches.

          • guest

            MC season ends June 3rd
            NWSL season (some reports say) starts mid April (w/e of 15th) so w/e June 3rd would be 8th week of NWSL schedule
            and w/e Jul 1st would be 12th week of NWSL schedule

            the reports (so far) about Lloyd have her returning to Houston in early June ( her contract with MC ends June 3rd ). No reports (so far) that Lloyd intends to delay return to July.

      • wosofan

        She will miss 8 out of 24 games.

        • mockmook

          Exactly 8?

          We should revisit this prediction at the end of the year.

          • tonysocref

            Yes we should revisit this since word out there now is that Lloyd and Morgan may not be able to join their NWSL teams until the Secondary Transfer Window opens. Last year it was the 15th of Jun. The original date was 4 Jul but FIFA approved the change. We won’t know the exact date for 2017 until NWSL posts the updated roster rules/rules of competition.

  • #1Fan

    the media spin has started. Just saw a headline that said

    Man City sign the best female footballer on the Planet

    I think that maybe 2 intelligent people in the entire world think that. Further confirmation that WoSo really has a long way to go.

    • #1Fan

      Imagine the uproar if when NYCFC signed Lampard its said

      NYCFC sign the best male football player on the Planet

      On the Lloyd thing, no one cares. Just like no one cared when she repeated arsFIFA PoY. Media really need to respect the ladies a lot more than they do.

      • HOFCToDi

        Lloyd >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Press

        USWNT 2013-2016
        FIFA Top 12 Ranked Opponents
        USWNT Goals Scored
        Lloyd – 11 (too many to list)
        Wambach – 5 (GER, AUS, BRA, PRK x 2)
        Press – 3 (AUS, FRA, AUS)

      • Steglitz49

        In some countries WoSo has that respect. In others they don’t.

      • HOFCToDi

        youtube.com/watch?v=YO4mqQTLnvk

        youtube.com/watch?v=FluNg_FMfzg

        youtube.com/watch?v=mBosyOJ3PIY

      • HOFCToDi

        How about a nice photo of the Golden Ball Winner?

        http://img.fifa.com/mm/photo/tournament/competition/02/66/13/04/2661304_big-lnd.jpg

        By the way, that’s not Christen Press.

        How about a nice photo of the Silver Boot Winner?

        http://img.fifa.com/mm/photo/tournament/competition/02/66/13/11/2661311_big-lnd.jpg

        By the way, that’s not Christen Press.

      • SpiritFan80

        A lot of media within Woso circles that follow both the NWSL and USWNT did not think that Lloyd should have won FIFA POTY. That award is mostly about name recognition. Big names are more recognized in countries that don’t have as much access to watch leagues and NTs outside of their own areas. Until voting structure changes, this will keep happening.

    • HOFCToDi

      Lloyd >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Press

      2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
      Minutes Played
      Lloyd – 630
      Press – 179

      2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
      Shots Attempted
      Lloyd – 17
      Press – 7

      2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
      Minutes Played per Shots Attempted
      Lloyd – 37.1
      Press – 26.7

      2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
      Shots on Goal
      Lloyd – 9
      Press – 2

      2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
      Shots on Goal Percentage
      Lloyd – 9/17 (52.9%)
      Press – 2/7 (28.6%)

      2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
      Shooting Percentage
      Lloyd – 4/17 (23.5%)
      Press – 1/7 (14.3%)

      In every metric, Press was worse than Lloyd.

      resources.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/02/62/55/34/eng_07_0608_usa-aus_fulltime.pdf

      resources.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/02/64/73/21/eng_19_0612_usa-swe_fulltime.pdf

      resources.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/02/65/00/60/eng_31_0616_nga-usa_fulltime.pdf

      resources.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/02/65/26/11/eng_38_0622_usa-col_fulltime.pdf

      resources.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/02/65/35/93/eng_45_0626_chn-usa_fulltime.pdf

      resources.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/02/65/52/49/eng_49_0630_usa-ger_fulltime.pdf

      resources.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/02/66/12/93/eng_52_0705_usa-jpn_fulltime.pdf

    • Steglitz49

      FIFA POTY, 2nd time running. Did she deserve it? Did a certain man deserve to be President? The voters are always right.

    • AlexH

      Why are you harshing on Carli. I have no idea if she is the best female footballer on the planet but she is very good and she has a tendency to score goals when they matter. Any team would love to have her.

      • HOFCToDi

        The “Press Gang Troll Brigade” will vilify any player who competes for a roster spot on the USWNT at the expense of Christen Press.

      • Reality

        Lloyd is a critical factor in holding the USWNT back. She is representative of the older generation on the NT that has relied largely on physical play to gain advantage. The illusion is that because she is able to score from set plays and poaching that this qualifies her as the greatest forward ever. I don’t think so. She lacks the experience and essential skills in technique and ball handling to be a true forward such as Morgan and Press. The younger players coming up are not only athletic but have more to offer in terms of soccer skills. Lloyd’s presence on the field, just like Wambach’s did, influences the style of play, inhibits a more balanced and diverse attack, restricts current players from being utilized appropriately and prevents new players from being utilized at all.

        • mockmook

          Lloyd isn’t the greatest technical player, but she isn’t a klutz either.

          And, she does have many other positive attributes that you dismiss.

          Would I say she is one of the best in the world? No.

          But, if the USA’s other forwards don’t produce at her rate, I have no problem putting Lloyd in to score goals.

          • Reality

            Her attitude is simultaneously an asset to her but a liability to the team. Her primary goal is as follows…

            ““I set out on this journey 13 years ago to become the best player in the world and I achieved that last year,” the soccer star says of her World Cup performance. “Now it’s about continuing to be the best player in the world.”

            http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/carli-lloyd-wants-to-continue-to-be-worlds-best-soccer-player-w209980

            While this might lead to greater glory for her, Lloyd does not play her position as a team player. She encroaches upon other players to steal goals from them, has missed shots where she could have passed to someone else for a goal and and generally is selfish in her play. This may get her goals but it does not serve the team as a whole nor does it show respect for her team mates.

            The larger issue is that her attitude and behavior is not appropriate as Team Captain. Let me emphasize my last sentence from my original post…

            Lloyd’s presence on the field, just like Wambach’s did, influences the style of play, inhibits a more balanced and diverse attack, restricts current players from being utilized appropriately and prevents new players from being utilized at all.

            The NT would make more progress without her. However, Ellis doesn’t have the guts to restrict her. She should be utilized off the bench when the opponent and game circumstances would maximize her contribution without disrupting the team.

          • oldknees

            At least she is out of the midfield. I give Ellis a little credit there. She wears the #10, but is as far from a Trequartista as I can imagine. Bull in a china shop not an artist. If you have to have her on the field for some un soccer related reason, Isolate her up top so she isn’t involved in the build up.

          • Reality

            Your point is well taken that her inhibiting presence has been removed from the midfield. However…

            Ellis drew the wrong conclusion from our victory in WC2015. She erroneously assumed that Lloyd is a team leader and made her Captain and then proceeded to play her in every game for 90″ as a starter at “withdrawn forward”. Lloyd basically hung around the goal looking to score, neglecting other responsibilities as a team player and actually getting in the way at times to the run of play. I think the NT would function more smoothly, more productively and more effectively without her.

          • Steglitz49

            The whole USWNT sucked when the Bombed in Brasilia.

            They sucked against Colombia too but because it was in the group stage so it did not matter. They just got grouped.

          • oldknees

            Completely agree with your assessment. However, I am going to at least credit “baby steps” that have been taken even though like you, I don’t think its gone far enough. Without her the team is much more sophisticated and I think would be more successful.

          • Reality

            I have long thought that Ellis was a company (wo)man who was dedicated to the USWNT system of seniority and celebrity. She often ignores any evidence outside of that universe and even when results are pointing out that it is not producing the best result, her tunnel vision prevents her from making necessary adjustments. She is always reacting and behind the curve in her strategy. She needs to be looking toward the future to determine the best interests of the NT and while she says that is her intention, it was demonstrably the opposite in the WC2015 where her charge was to carry the old guard. Ellis managed to stumble to victory in the WC more through the heroics of the players and the ineptitude of our opponents rather than any genius on her part. This malaise lingered into OG2016 with unfortunate results.

            Now that there has been sufficient turnover of the roster through retirement and injury, new younger players are finally being brought up and players in their prime are being utilized more appropriately. Whether there will be a real implementation of this talent in the lineups and a corresponding change in strategy still remains to be seen.

          • kernel_thai

            Ill believe that when I see it at SBC. Of all the new players looked at I can only see Short and Williams having roles agaInst real competition. If true its a real shame and a sign nothing has changed.

          • Reality

            The SBC, being the only meaningful tournament this year, should be utilized to test the mettle of the young players and current players in their prime in a series of lineups that will reveal the best combinations. European teams have used the Algarve in the past to do exactly that. But our obsession with never losing a game will undoubtedly cause Ellis to lead with a predictable lineup and game plan.

          • rkmid71

            it’s not just the Euro teams, it’s the Concacaf teams using U20 players, etc. If we don’t do that, we are not preparing for the battles ahead.

            “Pretend inferiority and encourage his arrogance.” ~ Sun Tzu

          • Reality

            There is much work to do throughout the entire system.

            “The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.”
            Lao Tzu

          • mockmook
          • Reality

            Shortest youtube I’ve ever seen.:)

          • oldknees

            I should say, more successful against the top teams in the world.

          • mockmook

            Ironic that Solo says JE is a bad strategist — and if anyone benefits from that “bad” strategy it is Solo’s BFF, Lloyd.

          • Reality

            If Ellis said to them that there was only going to be one 35+ year old for WC2019 and they had to settle it in a UFC style cage fight, who do you think would win?

          • mockmook

            I suppose Solo is the crazier one, thus less likely to care about or feel pain when in berserker mode, so I give her the edge.

          • Reality

            The loser would undoubtedly ask for a rematch…SOP.

          • AlexH

            When you score as many as she does encroachment isn’t that big of a deal. If the other players have a problem with that all they have to do is score with some level of reliability. Until then they have legs, and they should use them to get out of Carli’s way.

          • HOFCToDi

            Just the FACTS.

            USWNT 2013-2016
            FIFA Top 12 Ranked Opponents
            USWNT Goals Scored
            Morgan – 16 (too many to list)
            Lloyd – 11 (too many to list)
            Leroux – 7 (CAN, BRA x 2, CAN, JPN, CAN, FRA)
            Wambach – 5 (GER, AUS, BRA, PRK x 2)
            Rapinoe – 4 (GER, BRA, AUS x 2)
            Press – 3 (AUS, FRA, AUS)
            Holiday – 2 (AUS, JPN)
            Heath – 2 (JPN, CAN)
            Johnston – 2 (FRA, JPN)
            Dunn – 2 (BRA, ENG)
            Horan – 2 (CAN, JPN)

          • guest

            Your selective stat selection is always interesting. Why top 12 teams? Why not 10 or 20?

            Your stats are also not compelling unless you include some metric like minutes played. A stat like goals against top 10 teams / minutes played would be interesting. This is not that interesting.

            For example OHAI, ONLY ONE GOAL IN 2016! TRASH FORWARD. Except, oh wait, she barely played at all and probably has a relatively decent goals/minutes played ratio.

          • DNG

            HOFCToDi using selective statistics is nothing new. I’ll give you Lloyd’s goal total and minutes against top 10 opponents for the 2016 calendar year. 1 goal in 480 minutes and she was atrocious in every SBC match and not very good in the Sweden match where her limitations as a 10 were clearly exposed. Despite her goal I don’t think she was good in the France match during the Olympics either.

          • HOFCToDi

            Press has never been named player of the tournament:

            FIFA Women’s World Cup
            CONCACAF Women’s World Cup Qualifying
            Olympic Games
            CONCACAF Women’s Olympic Qualifying
            SheBelieves Cup
            Algarve Cup

            Poor Pressie Pooh! No individual international awards for you!

          • HOFCToDi

            The last time Christen Press scored a goal versus a FIFA Top 12 Ranked opponent was 08 Jun 2015.

          • HOFCToDi

            Christen Press has never been named US Soccer Female Player of the Year.

            ussoccer.com/about/history/awards/player-of-the-year

          • HOFCToDi

            Christen Press was even worse at the Summer Olympic Games than the FIFA Women’s World Cup:

            Christen Press
            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
            Goals 1, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 7, Shots on Goal 2
            Penalty Kicks Attempted 0, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

            Christen Press
            2016 Summer Olympic Games
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 6, Shots on Goal 1
            Penalty Kicks Attempted 1, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

          • HOFCToDi

            FIFA Top 12 Ranked Teams?
            Half of the FIFA Women’s World Cup field (12/24).

          • HOFCToDi

            USWNT 2013-2016
            FIFA Top 10 Ranked Opponents
            USWNT Goals Scored
            Morgan – 16 (too many to list)
            Lloyd – 8 (AUS, BRA, GER, JPN x 3, BRA, FRA)
            Leroux – 7 (CAN, BRA x 2, CAN, JPN, CAN, FRA)
            Wambach – 5 (GER, AUS, BRA, PRK x 2)
            Rapinoe – 4 (GER, BRA, AUS x 2)
            Press – 3 (AUS, FRA, AUS)
            Holiday – 2 (AUS, JPN)
            Johnston – 2 (FRA, JPN)
            Dunn – 2 (BRA, ENG)

            Note: Only multiple goal scorers listed

            USWNT 2013-2016
            FIFA Top 12 Ranked Opponents
            USWNT Goals Scored
            Morgan – 16 (too many to list)
            Lloyd – 11 (too many to list)
            Leroux – 7 (CAN, BRA x 2, CAN, JPN, CAN, FRA)
            Wambach – 5 (GER, AUS, BRA, PRK x 2)
            Rapinoe – 4 (GER, BRA, AUS x 2)
            Press – 3 (AUS, FRA, AUS)
            Holiday – 2 (AUS, JPN)
            Heath – 2 (JPN, CAN)
            Johnston – 2 (FRA, JPN)
            Dunn – 2 (BRA, ENG)
            Horan – 2 (CAN, JPN)

            Note: Only multiple goal scorers listed

            “When Alexandra saw the breadth of her domain, she wept for there were no more worlds to conquer.”

          • Steglitz49

            The Champions League remains her, as does the French Cup and their league.

          • HOFCToDi

            The trifecta:

            FIFA U-20 Women’s World Cup
            Summer Olympics Gold Medal
            FIFA Women’s World Cup

            As far as I know, only Sydney Leroux and Alex Morgan have claim to the trifecta.

          • rkmid71

            Viva Sydney Leroux!!

          • guest

            the stats have to fit into his preconceived narrative first before they are included.

          • HOFCToDi

            FIFA does not dole out World Cup Trophies for beating up on tomato cans at meaningless international women’s friendlies.

          • USMNTfan4life

            Ha Ha. Well played!

          • Reality

            I don’t believe that is called team play.

          • AlexH

            Getting out of the way of somebody that is doing the job better than you perfectly fits the definition of team play. If the others want to be the gal they need to step up and put balls in the back of the net. So far nobody is making the world forget about Carli Lloyd.

          • #1Fan

            Your position here only holds water because the us does not have to play optimal soccer to contend. You can afford a designated shooter. Does not make it right or good going forward.

          • DNG

            I’d argue that they can no longer afford a designated shooter especially against the best teams. I find it completely ridiculous that Ellis, who claims to want a possession oriented high pressing team, continues to play Lloyd.

          • AlexH

            Well I agree that Ellis is ridiculous.

          • #1Fan

            it is ridiculous, but its the sort of thing you can get away with when you are dealing with a subservient media and a populous that does not know or care about the sport.

          • Steglitz49

            It is fascinating that the USWNT ha dominated the female version of the world’s sport and yet the US media don’t give a damn.

            Granted, the same can be said of WoSo in just about every other country but no other country has had such a solid position at the top — except in 2016, of course.

          • Reality

            Unfortunately selfish play is not supportive of or effective in optimizing team play. Soccer is, more than most sports, a true team effort that requires mutual cooperation, coordination and respect. If one player out of 11, especially the team captain, is clearly out for herself, it is corrosive to the team and diminishes their effectiveness and productivity. While Lloyd may score some goals, the team would be much better if there were 11 players on the pitch who played for the team rather than their own glory.

          • AlexH

            That is pure speculation though. And there have been times when Carli has been out and it’s not like anybody stepped up and grabbed the opportunity.

          • Reality

            I think it is common sense. And how often has Lloyd been absent? She played 1644″ in 21 games out of 25 and started in 20. Only Sauerbrunn was on the field more. Not very much opportunity for anyone to grab an opportunity.

          • DNG

            What’s your definition of stepping up. I think every player that played in place of Lloyd when she was out did just as well. The USWNT did not have problems scoring goals in any game that Lloyd did not start last year.

          • AlexH

            I would add that if Lloyd doesn’t score we put the scoring burden on our forwards that have trouble even scoring PK’s much less ruthless finishing in the run of play.

          • rkmid71

            Ruthless forward finishing would be nice. But if I was a midfielder, I would take that criticism personally as well. I would take it that we’re not getting the ball to our forwards in a good enough position to increase the quality of the chances. The truth is our midfield has sucked for a long time. Except for the semis and finals of the WC. Unfortunately, that group is no longer intact.

        • oldknees

          Completely agree. All of that.

        • AlexH

          Holding the USWNT back? They are world champions and nobody played a bigger role than her in becoming so. That said she is getting long in the tooth and might not warrant a call up in 2019, but as for her going to England and cashing in on one last dance, God bless her.

          • Reality

            Lloyd has explicitly stated that she wants to at least play in WC2019. Let’s see if Ellis stands puts up any resistance or just rolls over regardless of merit.

          • AlexH

            Lloyd needs to earn her spot. We’ll see what Ellis is made of if Lloyd starts pulling an Abby as the tournament progresses

          • guest

            lloyd has said she also wants to play in the 2020 olympics as well. 38 year old forward and a 39 year old goalie. they deserve their chance at olympic redemption regardless of merit or age.

          • Reality

            Uh no. They had their glories already and it is time to move on to a new generation in their prime with younger players behind them needing valuable experience. Their attitude of entitlement and arrogance is quite shameful.

          • Steglitz49

            Hear hear!

          • guest

            Did you play soccer growing up?

          • oldknees

            I did and still do even with my “old knees”

        • Steglitz49

          Man City obviously think she is worth investing into. Lyon opted for Alex, Arsenal for HAO and Chelsea for Dunn.

      • #1Fan

        Only difference between her and Carmelo Anthony is that she plays on a very strong team that is the favorite almost every time they play. He makes some big shots as well. No way is he the best in the game and you could argue the team would be better without him

        • AlexH

          And yet people are lining up to put Carli on their team. I think her stat line combined with the overwhelming approval of pretty much everybody that makes a living off soccer tells me that she does not suck, or that she is the greatest con artist since Ponzi.

          • HOFCToDi

            The “Press Gang Troll Brigade” are so jealous.

          • Steglitz49

            I would not go that far. He knows a lot about WoSo but not as much as he thinks. That is true of a lot of us.

          • #1Fan

            There is a commercial side to sports. Especially one struggling for name recognition. Don’t under estimate the power of that

          • AlexH

            Yet Madison Avenue didn’t score a hat trick in the WC final nor lead the team in goals. Carli did that. I personally think that Carli’s detractors are underestimating the power of observable facts, in favor of woulda, coulda, shoulda speculation.

          • AlexH

            Not that I have anything against that BTW. The internet is made for that sort of thing.

          • HOFCToDi

            Hedge your bets. Either the USWNTPA will go on strike or the USSF will lock out the USWNT players.

          • #1Fan

            You asked why teams want her. I told you a big reason why. Same reason Morgan has appeal. Carmelo scores 20 a game but is he making his teammates better? Lloyd is old, slow and one dimensional. If she is still critical to your team then it speaks to huge issues. No one can take her successes away from her but I started this lamenting her being marketed as the best on the Planet. She is far from it and it’s laughable that an organization like FIFA , whose corrupt practices have been exposed , is used as the validator of her status.

          • HOFCToDi
          • AlexH

            There might be huge issues then. I would LOVE to have somebody younger than Lloyd take her spot just like I wanted somebody younger to take Abby’s spot. But the others have to step up and do it and so far nobody can conclusively make their case.

            You may recall that I posted a while back that EVERYBODY that would be over 30 come 2019 should be dropped from the team in order to let the youngsters prove their case when nothing is at stake. But if we are going to award spots based on merit even in friendlies then Carli is in until somebody does better.

          • DNG

            How are/were others going to step in for either when neither seems/ed to be droppable.

          • Reality

            When Lloyd plays every game for 90″, it is difficult for any player to demonstrate their quality.

          • HOFCToDi

            Jill Ellis has called up Rose Lavelle three times:

            Jan, 2016
            May, 2016
            Jan, 2017

          • Steglitz49

            Let’s hope Andi Sullivan recovers from her torn ACL. Not all do. A spell in Avaldsnes might be called for.

          • Tom F

            Ha HA, now we know that your mookrook too. using the same chart, only he would come up with just 3 defenders

          • mockmook

            we know that your mookrook too

            No!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            Besides, we both have 5 “defenders” — but, mine is much more elegant 🙂

            http://drawformation.com/post/58804c3a76a70/sm-58804c3a76a70.png

          • rkmid71

            I’m voting for HOFCToDi — though I acknowledge your spunk. I like how you think outside the box though. You’re still my top Assistant Coach and scout.

          • mockmook

            Fine, vote for HoF…

            But, please, never say he is me; nor that I, he — that is known as travesty…

          • HOFCToDi

            The aforementioned poster lists a player (Kealia Ohai) who is not even named to the latest USWNT roster.

            ussoccer.com/stories/2017/02/08/15/03/20170208-news-wnt-ellis-names-25-players-to-training-camp-roster-prior-to-2017-shebelieves-cup

            Ali Krieger?

            Ali Krieger will be nearly 35 years old at the next FIFA Women’s World Cup.

          • rkmid71

            I like it. I would worry about speed on that right side and so Heath could feel more free to get forward and create without worrying about the counters so much. How about Sonnett, Menges or some other speedy/quick good 1v1 defenders in place of Johnston? Maybe Krieger in short run. I would also like to experiment with Pugh in Lavelle’s spot. In that case, you still have Dunn, Ohai as options in wingback.

          • HOFCToDi

            Crystal Dunn backs up Tobin Heath. I suspect the issue with Ohai is the number of contracts the USSF is willing to dole out without a new CBA (Rapinoe versus Ohai).

            The situation with defenders is muddled depending on the tactical formation going forward.

          • DNG

            Heath is not really a wingback. She likes to play centrally a lot and the wingbacks really need to stay outside to be the width most of the time. She also isn’t a good crosser. I’d consider trying to move Heath inside to play next to Brian above a single pivot. A line up that might look something like this in the short term with Sullivan out:

            ————Morgan——-Press————–
            ————-Heath——-Brian————–
            Ohai—————-Long—————-Dunn
            ———-Short—Broon—Sonnett———–

          • rkmid71

            This also looks worth trying, though still don’t like Long in that spot. I would probably put Brian or Sullivan (assuming she comes back in good form) there and Pugh or Lavelle in Brian’s spot. Pugh just adds an explosiveness upfront, better complements Heath.

          • DNG

            I’m not sure what people’s problem with Long is. I think she’s a very solid CM. Her only issue for me is that she isn’t that quick. She certainly was not the reason the US lost in Rio. I don’t like Pugh as a CM at the moment. I don’t think she’s developed past the point were she doesn’t have to rely on her pace to be effective. Lavelle would be worth a shot for Heath but I like Brian where I put her. I’d probably start Sullivan over long when she’s healthy looking to the future.

          • rkmid71

            I guess I would have expected more from the US midfield by now, post 2015WC and after the Holiday retirement and Rapinoe injury. No one blames any one player. It’s how they work together as a unit and complement each other. I would try different combinations until you see balance, cohesion, control, effectiveness both defensively and offensively against good competition.i.e. not against Haiti.

            As a starting lineup, you eliminated Pugh while I eliminated Long. Who knows, you might be right. Against top 10 type teams, I don’t see her as strong enough or even experienced enough defensively for that position (certainly not CB). Btw — I feel similarly about Brian defensively though Brian is excellent as deep lying playmaker type and proved it at the WC. Long also has similar qualities, though not as refined imo. Brian is 23 (Long will be 30 in August). Long would be a good backup. She’s a real pro and seems to bring positive intangibles.

            Also, re: Pugh, the moment we care about most is France 2019 Pugh has athleticism (and enough of the other stuff) that I haven’t seen in others. Heath is creative. Those two combining sounds good to me. I don’t see her as the next Marta or this generational talent though. But she has a high ceiling. So what is best to do now to have the best team and peak then? Reasonable people will disagree. JE is in charge and we’ll see what she does. I don’t like square pegs in round holes though and this apparent disrespect for defense.

          • #1Fan

            The danger is projecting Pugh to be something she has not shown. CAM ..maybe. CM def not for me. I think she can play little one twos and her short passing is ok, but she has not shown the range of pass or defensive awareness in a central role for me to trust her at CM. You limit her biggest strength by moving her central – her speed.

            For me she is a wide player all day.

          • rkmid71

            DNG’s formation kind of had two CAMs. Agree about the defense and passing. She’s certainly a willing passer. She’s also fast on the dribble and I was envisioning quick transitions. She can improve her tight control. Also, agree about projecting — that’s why I would try to see what she can do there, how quickly she improve, sooner rather than later. I don’t see any harm in giving her some minutes there. .

          • #1Fan

            No way the DNG formation is the defensive shape. maybe it works if they press and you use her speed that effect. I would not be against trying it at all. who knows.

          • DNG

            Yeah the other part of the problem playing Pugh in a CM role is the defensive shape. I would want Pugh up high for quick transition offense. In a 3-5-2 the CMs have to defend pretty low unless the team is pressing as their defensive approach. If I needed to fit Pugh into the lineup I’d probably go with a 4-3-3 instead of a 3-5-2.

          • DNG

            Attacking midfields but I wouldn’t call them CAMs. They would play a little deeper than a CAM would and they need to defend where as I probably wouldn’t ask a CAM if a 4-2-3-1 to defend.

          • DNG

            Defensive shape would look something like this:

            ———Morgan—–Press————
            —–Heath—-Long—-Brian——–
            Ohai–Short–Broon–Sonnett–Dunn

            It flattens out to cover the wide spaces and shifts to the side of the field the ball is on. The other shape would be to push the WBs and CMs up when you press the opposition.

          • DNG

            Even as a wide player I think Pugh has a lot of room for growth. Right now she’s a lot more functional than creative.

          • #1Fan

            She is, but I have no issue with functional players as long as the team has some creativity. Thing about Pugh is she is spoken of like she is a lot more than what you describe. I hope she gets time

          • DNG

            Agree on Pugh. I think that too much of this team’s creativity has traditionally been players going at it alone though. I’d really like to see the players supplement their 1v1 ability with more creative teamwork. I think Pugh will get there, I am less sure about some of the others though.

          • rkmid71

            Not easy to teach old dogs new tricks. Any organized team with good 1v1 defenders can shut down individuals a very high % of the time. The individual stuff works against lower level teams. Against top teams, It’s the quick combinations and creative teamwork that are deadly. I think playing against lower level teams just creates bad habits — unless you’ve got a coach like Auriemma. To him, there’s only one way to do it — the right way ALL THE TIME. That’s why their margin of victory is so huge. In their 100 game winning streak, I think only 2 games are less than double digit wins.

          • DNG

            I think the individual speed and ability of Dunn and Pugh can get to end line against pretty much every defender. Same with a prodigal talent such as Marta who at 21 was cutting right through the best defenders in the world all by herself. I do agree with your overall point thought that generally playing the right way and working together is the best way to break down opposing teams.

          • Steglitz49

            The matches that must be analyzed to death are the OG games against Colombia and Sweden. Maybe there are matches in WC-15 to learn from too but I am not persuaded.

            The SB Cup will add its information as will Euro-17 but at the end of the day, till we know who will be in which group in France in 2019, all bets are off.

          • DNG

            I think both Brian and Long read play in front of them pretty well while defending actually. They are pretty good at intercepting passes and positioning themselves in passing lanes. 1v1 man defening is where they are a bit lacking but since there are not a ton of WoSo players who can dribble through on their own I don’t see this as a big issue.

            I set up my formation with the goal of having 3 CMs and 2 FWDs. I don’t think the 3-4-3 is a easy formation for the US pool of players to build from. It’s difficult to get the ball from the defenders to the forwards and usually a lot of longer passes are required. I just did the thing that seemed obvious to make it easier on the midfield and added another CM. If Pugh can improve her finishing I’d player her up top in the 3-5-2 or else use a 4-3-3

          • Steglitz49

            I wish he would get rid of Press. It is hard to see Press, Long, Broon and even Sonnett as factors in WC-19.

          • rkmid71

            HOFC had Williams, which I thought was good. I think Leroux might still have some gas in the tank — I’m rooting for her. She’s a year younger than Morgan. Why are you skeptical on Sonnnett? Not calm, composed enough for back 3? She’s 5’7″ which isn’t too bad, she’s played CB in college and pros, seems quicker than most, played possession style at UVA.

          • Steglitz49

            Your point is well taken. Sonnett might make it.

            All teams cling to old stars but the US has less excuse than most because of its big talent pool.

            Syd’s and ARod’s roles will be in PR for the USSF.

          • HOFCToDi

            First Priority – resolve the #6 position once and for all
            Resolution – Killion & Sullivan

            Second Priority – develop future #10 position
            Resolution – Lavelle

            Third Priority – Cleanse the Jurgen Klinsmann infection
            Resolution – boot Allie Long off the squad

            Fourth Priority – phase out veterans for calendar year 2019
            Resolution – self explanatory

          • rkmid71

            I’m not a big fan of Horan in midfield, not a great defender. Can we have her in backup or situational forward? Maybe in pinch she can play mid.

          • HOFCToDi

            Jill Ellis has her pets none worse than Allie “I’m not a defensive/holding midfielder” Long or better yet Allie “I’m not a centerback” Long.

          • Steglitz49

            Many and various of those who comment on the EQ have like you proposed to get rid of all who would be 30 and over for WC-19. The USWNT can afford such radical surgery. Maybe Germany could too.

            After Euro-17 we shall know where NTs stand. We know from experience that injuries to key players spay the smaller WoSo nations. The US can cope with that.

          • rkmid71

            I can’t block from my mind the image of Lloyd taking away the free kicks from Heath at OG (and did what exactly?). And then Rapinoe took over the corners from Heath (and did what exactly?). And certainly as captain didn’t and hasn’t distinguished herself — the OG result was worst ever, team imploded and Solo got fired, she hasn’t taken any responsibility that I can tell, and the issue of the free kicks above. And the CBA is still in limbo. And now she’s off the England letting others lead.

            I see Lloyd’s inefficiency as forward in the NWSL (where the competition is more level) .The pattern repeats itself: Volume shooter, very low SOG %, very low goal conversion %. I really think she was trying to learn a position she had never played before and seemed to have a license to shoot anytime from anywhere.

            It would be interesting to see more detailed stats on Lloyd to see the full picture. Passing, turnovers, etc I would “rest” or “conserve” Lloyd on the bench and give extended, meaningful (against top teams) minutes to others for that position. Lloyd is not getting younger or quicker. I would play Lloyd enough to keep her involved, sharp as possible. This is a marathon to 2019, not a sprint. Similar to what Greg Popovich did with Tim Duncan, Ginobli, Parker. They played a fraction of the minutes they did in their prime but more minutes come playoff time if necessary. The young guys were the starters. There was a gradual transition. But I don’t get the sense that Lloyd has the leadership qualities of Duncan, Ginobli and Parker.

          • Steglitz49

            Follow the money, was good advice back then and still is toady.

          • rkmid71

            It’s curious that it doesn’t seem infect some organizations as much as others.

          • guest

            Well, if you are saying that we needed Abby and had to keep her because no one else could replace her…. you have made my point for me.

            You’ve prioritized having a single one-dimensional player on the field (Abby/Carli), and will force the other 10 players to cater to that one player’s style and limitations. This is how we ended up with Abbyball, etc. rather than a free-flowing, creative attack that can break down all kinds of quality defenses.

          • HOFCToDi

            You realize that half of the outfield players (10/20) for the 2017 SheBelieves Cup will be under the age of 25:

            Johnston, Julie (DOB 06 Apr 1992)
            Dunn, Crystal (DOB 03 Jul 1992)
            Killion, Sarah (DOB 27 Jul 1992)
            Mewis, Samantha (DOB 09 Oct 1992)
            Brian, Morgan (DOB 26 Feb 1993)
            Wiliams, Lynn (DOB 21 May 1993)
            Sonnett, Emily (DOB 25 Nov 1993)
            Horan, Lindsey (DOB 26 May 1994)
            Lavelle, Rose (DOB 14 May 1995)
            Pugh, Mallory (DOB 29 Apr 1998)

          • HOFCToDi

            You realize that four years ago a player who was not even capped change the course of history at the 2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup.

            Here is a hint:

            The player was first capped on 15 June 2013.

          • mockmook

            I’m not sure if Lloyd moves the needle much at all. So, anyone playing her for her celebrity (if that is truly why) is sadly mistaken.

          • #1Fan

            The parent company that own NYCFC are moving in to the Womens game in the USA via the GDA. A connection with Lloyd makes sense for them. I dont think anyone moves the needle abroad that much so its all relative

          • Oldknees

            NYFC “Taking” the WC program? Does KT go with to coach the DA ? One of the best coaches in the youth game.

          • mockmook

            Too cryptic, too acronymstic,…too anachronistic, too? 😉

          • DNG

            I don’t think I can point to a single game against a top team where she actually played well last year. Maybe the Netherlands if you want them to call them a top team. Please point out the matches if you believe she did. Her numbers were largely accrued against minnows.

          • AlexH

            HOFCToDi, Paging HOFCToDi

          • Reality

            You need troll support?

          • AlexH

            No, I just don’t have time to do library research and HOF seems to really enjoy that sort of thing. To each there own.

          • Reality

            His “research” is selective, slanted and specious. Better that you do your own.

          • HOFCToDi

            Christen Press
            International Women’s Friendly
            18 Sep 2016
            USA 3 NED 1
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 2, Shots on Goal 0

            foxsports.com/soccer/boxscore?id=32516

            Christen Press
            2016 Summer Olympic Games
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 6, Shots on Goal 1
            Penalty Kicks Attempted 1, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

            Christen Press
            International Women’s Friendly
            5 Jun 2016
            USA 2 JPN 0
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 2, Shots on Goal 1

            foxsports.com/soccer/boxscore?id=26862

            Christen Press
            International Women’s Friendly
            2 Jun 2016
            USA 3 JPN 3
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 2, Shots on Goal 0

            foxsports.com/soccer/boxscore?id=26754

            Christen Press
            2016 SheBelieves Cup
            Goals – 0, Assists – 0

            Christen Press
            2016 CONCACAF Women’s Olympic Qualifying
            Knockout Stage
            Goals – 0, Assists – 0

            Christen Press is the quintessential international FRAUD.

            4 years (2013, 2014, 2015, 2016)
            78 caps
            2 head coaches

            Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

            garbage time
            prima donna
            selfish shot hog
            tomato cans

          • HOFCToDi

            Christen Press
            International Women’s Friendly
            25 Oct 2015
            USA 3 BRA 1
            Minutes Played 0

            foxsports.com/soccer/boxscore?id=24141

            Christen Press was BENCHED!

            Christen Press
            International Women’s Friendly
            21 Oct 2015
            USA 1 BRA 1
            Minutes Played 0

            foxsports.com/soccer/boxscore?id=24140

            Christen Press was BENCHED!

            Christen Press
            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
            05 Jul 2015
            USA 5 JPN 2
            Minutes Played 0

            resources.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/02/66/12/93/eng_52_0705_usa-jpn_fulltime.pdf

            Christen Press was BENCHED!

            Christen Press
            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
            30 Jun 2015
            USA 2 GER 0
            Minutes Played 0

            resources.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/02/65/52/49/eng_49_0630_usa-ger_fulltime.pdf

            Christen Press was BENCHED!

            Christen Press
            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
            16 Jun 2015
            USA 1 NGA 0
            Minutes Played 0

            resources.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/02/65/00/60/eng_31_0616_nga-usa_fulltime.pdf

            Christen Press was BENCHED!

            Nevermind Christen Press started eleven of the first twelve matches for the USWNT in calendar year 2015.

            ussoccer.com/womens-national-team/lineups/2015-lineups

            http://media.moddb.com/images/groups/1/3/2933/ROFLMAO.png

          • HOFCToDi

            Christen Press
            International Women’s Friendly
            8 Feb 2015
            USA 0 FRA 2
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 2, Shots on Goal 0

            foxsports.com/soccer/boxscore?id=16171

            Christen Press
            Algarve Cup
            6 Mar 2015
            USA 3 SUI 0
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 1, Shots on Goal 0

            foxsports.com/soccer/boxscore?id=17273

            Christen Press
            International Women’s Friendly
            17 May 2015
            USA 5 MEX 1
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 0, Shots on Goal 0

            foxsports.com/soccer/boxscore?id=17091

            Christen Press
            FIFA Women’s World Cup
            12 Jun 2015
            USA 0 SWE 0
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 2, Shots on Goal 0

            foxsports.com/soccer/boxscore?id=15317

            resources.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/02/64/73/21/eng_19_0612_usa-swe_fulltime.pdf

            resources.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/02/64/72/20/eng_19_0612_usa-swe_tacticalstartlist.pdf

            Nevermind Christen Press started eleven of the first twelve matches for the USWNT in calendar year 2015.

            ussoccer.com/womens-national-team/lineups/2015-lineups

          • HOFCToDi

            Sunday, 21 Feb 2016
            TSG announces CWOQ Best XI, Awards

            http://www.ussoccer.com/~/media/images/wnt/gallery-images/2016/02/160221-wnt-v-can/photo-gallery/160221-wnt-vs-can-photo-gallery19.jpg?h=600&w=786&la=en&hash=BF5ABEEA5BE7034EF13FA4F320F9E7BB8E549331&amp

            concacaf.com/article/tsg-announces-cwoq-best-xi-awards

            By the way, Christen Press is not on the list.

            Christen Press is the quintessential international FRAUD.

            4 years (2013, 2014, 2015, 2016)
            78 caps
            2 head coaches

            Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

            garbage time
            prima donna
            selfish shot hog
            tomato cans

          • HOFCToDi

            Friday, 11 Mar 2016
            Morgan, Solo and the USA Sweep Awards at 2016 SBC

            http://www.ussoccer.com/~/media/images/wnt/gallery-images/2016/03/160309-wnt-v-ger/160309-wnt-vs-ger-gallery20.jpg?h=559&w=800&la=en&hash=B1A7B6E0C01C796F4C31CF422F0CC370A4D5CF89&amp

            ussoccer.com/stories/2016/03/11/13/17/160311-wnt-morgan-solo-and-the-usa-sweep-awards-at-2016-shebelieves-cup

            By the way, Christen Press is not on the list.

            Christen Press is the quintessential international FRAUD.

            4 years (2013, 2014, 2015, 2016)
            78 caps
            2 head coaches

            Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

            garbage time
            prima donna
            selfish shot hog
            tomato cans

          • HOFCToDi

            Calendar Year 2016
            FIFA Top 12 Ranked Opponents
            USWNT Goals Scored
            Morgan (DOB 02 Jul 1989) – 6
            Lloyd (DOB 16 Jul 1982) – 2
            Horan (DOB 26 May 1994) – 2
            Dunn (DOB 03 Jul 1992) – 1
            Heath (DOB 29 May 1988) – 1
            Johnston (DOB 06 Apr 1992) – 1
            Mewis (DOB 09 Oct 1992) – 1

            By the way, Christen Press is not on the list.

            ussoccer.com/womens-national-team/lineups

            Christen Press is the quintessential international FRAUD.

            4 years (2013, 2014, 2015, 2016)
            78 caps
            2 head coaches

            Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

            garbage time
            prima donna
            selfish shot hog
            tomato cans

          • HOFCToDi

            Calendar Year 2016
            FIFA Top 12 Ranked Opponents
            USWNT Goals Scored
            Christen Press – 0

            Calendar Year 2016
            FIFA Top 12 Ranked Opponents
            USWNT Assists Provided
            Christen Press – 0

            Christen Press is the quintessential international FRAUD.

            4 years (2013, 2014, 2015, 2016)
            78 caps
            2 head coaches

            Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

            garbage time
            prima donna
            selfish shot hog
            tomato cans

          • HOFCToDi

            Calendar Year 2014
            FIFA Top 12 Ranked Opponents
            USWNT Goals Scored
            Christen Press – 0

            History does repeat itself.

            Calendar Year 2016
            FIFA Top 12 Ranked Opponents
            USWNT Goals Scored
            Christen Press – 0

            Christen Press is the quintessential international FRAUD.

            4 years (2013, 2014, 2015, 2016)
            78 caps
            2 head coaches

            Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

            garbage time
            prima donna
            selfish shot hog
            tomato cans

          • HOFCToDi

            Lloyd >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Press

            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
            Minutes Played
            Lloyd – 630
            Press – 179

            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
            Shots Attempted
            Lloyd – 17
            Press – 7

            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
            Minutes Played per Shots Attempted
            Lloyd – 37.1
            Press – 26.7

            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
            Shots on Goal
            Lloyd – 9
            Press – 2

            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
            Shots on Goal Percentage
            Lloyd – 9/17 (52.9%)
            Press – 2/7 (28.6%)

            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
            Shooting Percentage
            Lloyd – 4/17 (23.5%)
            Press – 1/7 (14.3%)

            In every metric, Christen Press was worse than Carli Lloyd.

            resources.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/02/62/55/34/eng_07_0608_usa-aus_fulltime.pdf

            resources.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/02/64/73/21/eng_19_0612_usa-swe_fulltime.pdf

            resources.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/02/65/00/60/eng_31_0616_nga-usa_fulltime.pdf

            resources.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/02/65/26/11/eng_38_0622_usa-col_fulltime.pdf

            resources.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/02/65/35/93/eng_45_0626_chn-usa_fulltime.pdf

            resources.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/02/65/52/49/eng_49_0630_usa-ger_fulltime.pdf

            resources.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/02/66/12/93/eng_52_0705_usa-jpn_fulltime.pdf

          • HOFCToDi
          • HOFCToDi

            How about a nice photo of the Golden Ball Winner?

            http://img.fifa.com/mm/photo/tournament/competition/02/66/13/04/2661304_big-lnd.jpg

            By the way, that’s not Christen Press.

            How about a nice photo of the Silver Boot Winner?

            http://img.fifa.com/mm/photo/tournament/competition/02/66/13/11/2661311_big-lnd.jpg

            By the way, that’s not Christen Press.

          • HOFCToDi

            If it wasn’t for Sydney Leroux, Christen Press would be NOTHING! Spoon feeding at its finest.

            ussoccer.com/womens-national-team/tournaments/2014-concacaf-womens-championship/141024-wntvmex#tab-1

            ussoccer.com/womens-national-team/tournaments/2015-fifa-womens-world-cup/150608-wntvaus#tab-1

            Christen Press
            FIFA Women’s World Cup
            Goals 1, Assists 0

            Christen Press
            CONCACAF Women’s World Cup Qualifying
            Knockout Stage
            Goals 1, Assists 0

            Christen Press
            Olympic Games
            Goals 0, Assists 0

            Christen Press
            CONCACAF Women’s Olympic Qualifying
            Knockout Stage
            Goals 0, Assists 0

            Christen Press
            SheBelieves Cup
            Goals 0, Assists 0

          • HOFCToDi

            Christen Press has never been named player of the tournament:

            FIFA Women’s World Cup
            CONCACAF Women’s World Cup Qualifying
            Olympic Games
            CONCACAF Women’s Olympic Qualifying
            SheBelieves Cup
            Algarve Cup

            en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algarve_Cup#Best_player

            Poor Pressie Pooh! No individual international awards for you!

          • DNG

            HOFCToDi regurgitates stats, selective stats at that, not analysis.

          • HOFCToDi

            DNG is a devote member of the “Press Gang Troll Brigade”.

            Carli Lloyd is the only player on the USWNT roster to score a goal against France at the 2016 Rio Olympics. Alex Morgan is the only player on the USWNT roster to score a goal against Sweden at the 2016 Rio Olympics.

            Meanwhile, the “Press Gang Troll Brigade” refuse to acknowledge the international ineptitude of Christen Press:

            Christen Press
            2016 Summer Olympic Games
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 6, Shots on Goal 1
            Penalty Kicks Attempted 1, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

            Christen Press
            2016 Rio Olympics
            12 Aug 2016
            USA 1 SWE 1
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 2, Shots on Goal 0
            Penalty Kicks Attempted 1, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

            Christen Press
            2016 Rio Olympics
            09 Aug 2016
            USA 2 COL 2
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 4, Shots on Goal 1
            Penalty Kicks Attempted 0, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

          • HOFCToDi

            Performances worthy of de-allocation:

            Christen Press
            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
            Goals 1, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 7, Shots on Goal 2
            Penalty Kicks Attempted 0, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

            Christen Press
            2016 SheBelieves Cup
            Goals 0, Assists 0

            Christen Press
            2016 Summer Olympic Games
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 6, Shots on Goal 1
            Penalty Kicks Attempted 1, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

          • HOFCToDi

            The last time Christen Press scored a goal against a Top 12 FIFA Ranked opponent was 08 June 2015.

          • guest

            I personally think you don’t understand soccer very well beyond a cursory level. There’s more to the game than that.

          • Steglitz49

            The fact remains that Carli now is at Man City, Crystal at Chelsea, HAO at Arsenal, Alex and Kadeisha in Lyon and Ashley Lawrence in PSG.

            What exactly was your point again?

          • Steglitz49

            as demonstrated in Brasilia last year and before that in WC-11.

          • oldknees

            Agree with that assessment. And the u20s were successful because they made it to the semis if you think like him

          • #1Fan

            I keep going back to Melo. People who know the game of basketball ( most of America) will look deeper than his headline stats. People who dont really understand soccer (most of America) will not look below the surface.

            The same indifference sustains the CBA. if you told an NBA fan that the Olympic team had to contain certain players becasue it was in the CBA, they would be outraged. When the women started the Equal Pay thing , I dont think many people had any idea that the US NT was NOT a pure meritocracy.

            to be taken seriously these false “:truths” must be exposed. Lloyd has had a great career, but she is probably not in the top 20 female soccer players at this point.

      • guest

        All this person said is that she is not the best female footballer on the planet. Which she is not. If you watch any amount of soccer and know the game.

        • Steglitz49

          Man City pays the money and Man City made their choice. They obviously contend that Carli is the best WoSo player in the world, which FIFA told them.

    • oldknees

      The biggest set back the USA has had in regard to their attempts to keep up with the ROW is their winning the 2015 WC and Llyod scoring a hattrick. These events allow the all powerful to overlook the pathetic performances of our YNT this fall and pretend we aren’t losing ground. Carry on as usual because all is good…until it isn’t

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  • Weltmeister

    Wrong Mancity , the Transfer Window is Close 31.01 BUT
    For English Clubs is the Rule nothing.

    • guest

      agree Transfer Window closed at end of January, but transfer window does not apply to player who is not under contract and essentially a free agent.

      The USWNT players CBA/MOU agreement and contract with USSF expired at end of December 2016. USWNT players and USSF are operating under financial terms of expired CBA/MOU (since neither side has filed the 60 days notice of termination required under us labor law) but technically USWNT players are out of contract and free agents form FIFA rules perspective.

      • JL

        Don’t bother trying to reason with a known troll. All you’re doing is wasting your time.

  • Guest

    It’s same deal as Dunn. This is what people don’t get.

    • Vex

      No it’s not. Crystal signed for the whole season. She could stay there next year if she wants. I doubt she will. Carli and Alex can sign another deal for next season as well.

      • plasticbike

        i think they just confused Morgan with Dunn.

        • Steglitz49

          Hard to mix those two up, don’t you think?

  • Bill

    People freaking out over nothing. Alex and Carli signed two short term deals, they will be back in the NWSL. Where neither one is good at club or seems care. Dunn was lost for whole season. Three players out of 23 NT players.

    • Steglitz49

      There was a time when all the great WoSo players flocked to the US leagues, like Marta and Miyama and Sawa and a whole host of others.

      “Those were the days, my friend,
      we thought they’d never end …”

      • FawcettFan14

        1) The big clubs in Europe (and now apparently China?) were not as well-funded then.

        2) Prior U.S. Woso leagues paid higher salaries, which in part ended up bankrupting the leagues. NWSL is still around because it is living within its means, and is getting help from USSF.

      • guest

        If rich euro clubs want to throw their money away, that’s their business.

  • VaFan51

    Again… For heavens’s sake, will the NWSL please move Lloyd from Houston to Sky Blue. Somebody needs to make this happen — Randy Waldrum, Jeff Plush, Cersei Lannister — somebody.
    The woman does not want to be in Houston and this is getting to be an ugly joke.

    • CED

      She doesn’t want to be with SB b/c they have no fans and the worst owners and management in NWSL.

      • By the Shore

        I think the only reason she joined SB in 2010 was because Chicago let her go. I think she wanted to avoid setting foot in Rutgers.

        • JL

          She wanted to go to SkyBlue because it was close to Galanis.

        • mockmook

          Why would she want to avoid Rutgers?

    • DNG

      Does any other NWSL team want Lloyd or better yet, which team would be willing to give up what it would take to get her? Who’s team does she easily fit into and definitely make better? I don’t really think SBFC need her. With Kerr leading the line I think they are built to be a direct quick attacking team although even thought they have a decent collection of good possession players now.

      • VaFan51

        As a Houston fan, I admit my ulterior motive is to pry Killian and/or Grubka away from SBFC.

        • DNG

          If Houston can turn Lloyd into a solid starting CB, they should take it and run. I thought they should have tried to do it last year.

          • guest

            WTF? Lloyd is NOT a defender. Scoring is the only thing she can do at the moment.

          • DNG

            By way of trade.

          • mockmook

            Yeah, I too was a little confused/shocked at your suggestion. Now it all makes sense.

          • DNG

            Yeah. After re-reading my comment I can definitely understand how my wording was not clear.

        • Breakers fan

          Were you a Houston fan before your old Cavalier joined them a few years ago? Guessing no. Totally understandable to base allegiance around favorite players, you saw grow up, (I do it as well) – just curious. 🙂

          • VaFan51

            Got me. 😊

      • guest

        Honestly think Houston may be better this season without her. They’ve got a good midfield core and a ton of talented players. It’ll be interesting to see if they can put it all together and play as a team.

        • Steglitz49

          Time will tell. The could hardly do worse than last season?

        • DNG

          As long as they can find a way to score goals consistently they will be fine.

    • guest

      Waldrum was the Houston coach who decided to make the trade for Lloyd so perhaps only fitting that he has to live with the results.

    • JL

      Who is Cersei Lannister? Never heard of them.

  • tonysocref
  • Steglitz49

    Let’s cut to the chase. If the ball bounces Carli’s way, her team could win the Champions League and the FA Cup, and retain the League and the Conti Cup, which they hold from last season.

    Quite ahaul of silverware of which to partake. Gobble, gobble, gobble.

    • HOFCToDi

      Dunn, Lloyd, Morgan will be laughing all the way to the bank when CBA negotiations reach an impasse.

      • USMNTfan4life

        Meaning, they will be getting paid through their Euro clubs, while the CBA strike will prevent their poor teammates from getting their paychecks?

        You think they will strike? Before the SBC tournament? That is in March, right?

  • anon

    Why WOULDN’T you go abroad now? Make more money, do some traveling, have a new experience, escape the Treasonous Trumpster Fire.

    • annie

      Bbbbut they are missing out on the presidential equivalent of a trainwreck reality show! The media is loving this. Obama was too sane, responsible, intelligent, uncontroversial and boring. Let’s shake things up with an actual psychopath! America in the 21st century.

      • mockmook

        Obama enabled jihadists around the globe.

        Was the FIRST president to never have 3% or higher economic growth AT ANY POINT in his presidency.

        In short, a disaster and an idiot.

        • guest

          Oh please – Obama had to fix Bush’s MESS and he did a damn good job. How are you feeling about your president today? I tried to understand your side’s point of view for awhile, but the man seems really unhinged now to the point where it’s unsettling and I almost feel bad for him. The Netanyahu meeting and Press Conference today were really unsettling to me. He’s just kicking the hornet’s nest with them by speaking the way he does to reporters.

          • ABCDE

            He is getting a LOT of push back from the press and in that sense I do have some understanding for what he was saying, but he needs to just ignore it, do his job and stop telling blatant lies about stupid sh*t like his electoral vote count and rambling about freaking Hillary. It makes everything his administration says seem like a lie. He is WAY too concerned and paranoid about how the media is portraying him. He is close with Howard Stern who actually called all of this and seemed really concerned … that he is very image obsessed and the intense scrutiny of the presidency would be bad for his mental health.

          • guest

            He is a snake oil salesman who has dug himself into a hole. He probably never thought he would win and now he has to deliver on all of his crazy promises.

          • guest

            At least we are MAGA by bringing… coal back from the dead?

          • JL

            Can we leave the political stuff out of here? I don’t care what side of the aisle anyone is, this should be a discussion about soccer.

          • mockmook

            Blatant lies about “stupid” stuff:

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mqdY-J56DE

          • guest

            He seems like he has dementia. GOP wants him to implode so they can install their homophobic bigot Pence, the one they always wanted.

          • Guest

            I mean, even FOX is starting to turn on him.

          • guest

            How dare State Propaganda Channel attack ruler???? I guess we have to get all news straight from our dear leader like he said! Or maybe Breitbart

          • guest

            FOX never liked him until he was the nominee. The wealthy Republican elite (read: donors) don’t like him either because they like predictability and he is the opposite of that. Fox has a couple of bases they are catering to now.

          • mockmook

            Sure, making fun of the doofuses in the media is “frightening”

            Do you need your binky?

          • guest

            LOL. I said unsettling… he is clearly mentally ill and incapable of answering the most basic questions. His ship is sinking fast though, hopefully. Probably why he is so unhinged.

          • anon

            Harward calling his job offer a “sh*t sandwich” hurt his fee fees.

        • Just doing his job Flynn

          How did Bush II do? Worst recession in history. 22 million jobs siphoned off to Asia. Obama had the most months in a row of positive jobs growth of any president on record.

        • Silver Frost

          Bin Laden was disabled, along with hundreds more in drone strikes. There were no 9-11 attacks on Obama’s watch.

  • guest

    would llloyd have started at lyon? or been a sub like morgan?

    • Guest

      no. christen press is the only one capable of starting on any team. She had her fame stolen by alex morgan because she is the more talented and beautiful player.

      • guest

        that is true. press was a star in sweden.

        • Paul Scholes

          A star? Because 179 Swedes knew her?

        • HOFCToDi

          Who morphed into an international flop:

          Christen Press
          2016 Summer Olympic Games
          Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 6, Shots on Goal 1
          Penalty Kicks Attempted 1, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

          Christen Press
          2016 SheBelieves Cup
          Goals – 0, Assists – 0

          Christen Press
          2016 CONCACAF Women’s Olympic Qualifying
          Knockout Stage
          Goals – 0, Assists – 0

    • guest

      the better question is will lloyd start at manchester city?

  • #1Fan
  • Steglitz49

    This will be the 101st comment, like the dalmatians.

  • smallchief

    To be cynical, I wonder if one reason that US National Team members want to play abroad is so that they aren’t competing with or being compared to other players in the NWSL?

    Lloyd, Brian, Solo, Leroux, Morgan and others haven’t looked any better than some non-national team players.

    Morgan, for example, scored only 4 goals in 15 games in the NWSL last year.

    • Steglitz49

      The obvious and simplest explanations are usually correct: money and silverware.

      • smallchief

        Probably — but important factors may also be a vacation in Europe and relief from having to compete with other American players hoping to replace the aging old hands on the national team.

        • Steglitz49

          Europe is not Australia. No kangaroos nor duckbilled platypuses.

          These top clubs do not grant vacation. The players live to serve their ships.

  • #1Fan

    to whomever wants to …

    how many players would you name in a list of worlds best BEFORE you got to Carli Lloyd ?

    • Guest

      Where would you place her? T50?

      • #1Fan

        US team I think Dunn, Press, Morgan,Heath, Brian, Sauerbrunn are all better. I may have left some players out. France, I can think of at least 5 i think are better. Germany I dont know the team as well. Brazil 3. England 3. I would say in the 30s .

        Best player on the planet is a real stretch for me.

        • Steglitz49

          The best WoSo player is Marta. If you can’t recognize that, then there is no hope.

          Names with M in them score highly on the scale too, like Morgan, Morgan, Miyama, Homare, Sameshima (2 ms), Kumagai, Iwashimizu, Kawasumi …

          As for all those Swedes, seeing that they put the USWNT to the sword, they must needs be mentioned in dispatches and why not the Colombians while we are at it. The Germans collected the gold and the Canadian the bronze and Sween played in place of England.

          I propose we wait to finalize your list till after Euro-17 and the Champions League etc etc

          • Ian A

            Marta was the best player. Not sure whether or not she still is. I have seen both Rosengard – Frankfurt matches on TV last year. I was very unimpressed of what Marta showed in both matches is a friendly description.

          • Stina

            Right. Linköping won the Swedish League. Harder was best player in the league. It doesn’t sound logical that Marta is still the best player in the world

          • Steglitz49

            Logic does not enter into it. This is WoSo — remember!?!

          • Steglitz49

            State your preference.

      • Steglitz49

        T34, surely?

    • DNG

      A lot but I wouldn’t exactly call myself an unbiased judge of talent on this matter.

  • Steglitz49

    Lowell Bailey made history today when he won the gold in the distance race. He defeated not only Moravec but also Martin Fourcade.

    The best American result be fore was a silver by Tim Burke 4 years, also in the distance race. That was before he married the love of his life, Andrea Henkel. They live in lake Placid these days.

    • rkmid71

      Maybe the US will dominate biathlon if/when the Burke/Henkle kids arrive. Lake Placid makes me think of Herb Brooks and Miracle on Ice. Now Miracle on Grass.

      • HOFCToDi

        Hardly a miracle:

        FIFA Women’s Ranking
        24 June 2016

        fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/women/rank=554/index.html

        USA – #1
        SWE – #6

        As opposed to Pia, who orchestrated a debacle:

        FIFA Women’s Ranking
        13 August 2010

        fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/women/rank=531/index.html

        USA – #1
        MEX – #22

        • Steglitz49

          The OG-16 QF is known as Miracle on Grass in Sweden.

          The inept referee crew almost stole the match from the Swedes. The refs ineptness means that the US is still ranked #1.

          • HOFCToDi

            It’s Steglitz49 smoking grass, if anything.

          • Steglitz49

            S/he is not inhaling, though.

      • Steglitz49

        Verily.

        Let me help you. Eric Heiden. Ingemar Stenmark. Anne-Marie Moser-Proell. Hanni Wenzel. Tomas Wassberg. etc

        Have Andrea and Tim got any kids yet?

        • rkmid71

          Don’t think so. I googled and sounds like she just became US citizen / got her green card. And has started personal training / fitness business. Burke training for next Winter Olympics in 2018.

          • Steglitz49

            Thanks.

      • Vasily

        Henkel not Henkle like Krieger instead of Kreiger

  • Steglitz49

    Zlatan just scored. That is what Carli wants to do for City.

    • rkmid71

      Are you comparing Lloyd to Zlatan? In some ways they are alike:

      “It’s true I don’t know much about the players here, but they definitely know who I am.”

      • Steglitz49

        Only sports personalities like Charlotte Kalla and Sarah Sjöström come close to rivaling Zlatan in the Swedish media. Possibly also Foppa.

      • Paul Scholes

        You can’t compare them. Lloyd won all the silverware while Zlatan is famous for choking. The only advantage Zlatan brings is that a team once he left is able to win big titles without him.

        • Steglitz49

          A typical WoSo comment: snide to the core.

          Do you ever wonder why WoSo can’t hack it in the market place?

        • HOFCToDi

          Today the cheers are for

          Edinson!
          Edinson!
          Edinson!

      • HOFCToDi

        Pep saw no use for Zlatan at Barcelona. Talk about a bust.

        • Steglitz49

          Zlatan 3, St Etienne 0.

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