Multiple reports link Carli Lloyd to Manchester City

The Equalizer Staff February 11, 2017 463
Carli Lloyd could be heading to Manchester City (Photo Copyright Patricia Giobetti for The Equalizer)

Carli Lloyd could be heading to Manchester City (Photo Copyright Patricia Giobetti for The Equalizer)

The women’s soccer corners of social media were abuzz on Friday with multiple outlets reporting the two-time running FIFA Player of the Year had agreed to a contract with Manchester City Women in the FAWSL. Here is where we stand with things heading into the weekend.

The fun started when Henry Winter of Times Sport suggested that Lloyd and Manchester City might be close to doing business. Andrew Gibney, a Manchester-based freelancer, acting on Winters’s original report, made some calls and reported that Lloyd was definitely going to Manchester City and that the deal was done.

A few hours later, Charles Boehm of soccerwire.com matched Gibney’s report that a deal was done. Boehm’s report added that an announcement is expected sometime next week.

 

On Saturday, Corey Roepken of The Houston Chronicle released some of his reporting indicating not only is there no deal in place but that no offer has been made. Roepken added that Lloyd would consider any offers from the FAWSL champions.

Although Jonathan Tannenwald of philly.com reported on Friday that he spoke to a source that indicated no deal had been finalized between Lloyd and Manchester City. However, he reported on Sunday that he has gotten word that Manchester City has since made an offer to Lloyd. Tannenwald’s tweets suggests that, while earlier reports may have been premature, there may be validity behind them now.

Reached by The Equalizer on Friday, the Houston Dash had no comment on the reports.

Lloyd has been at least loosely linked with the FAWSL since shortly after the 2015 World Cup when she told the BBC that she would not be opposed to a move to England. Complicating matters is the lack of a collective bargaining agreement between the United States national team players and US Soccer. Lloyd has been a subsidized player all four seasons of NWSL, and with neither a CBA nor a list of subsidized players for 2017, Lloyd and her teammates appear to be technically out of contract on the club level.

Since December, Alex Morgan (Lyon), Crystal Dunn (Chelsea) and Heather O’Reilly (Arsenal) have joined prominent European clubs. Morgan has publicly stated she will be back in Orlando after Lyon’s season and FC Kansas City is expecting O’Reilly back as well, but neither are bound by the terms of their contracts. Dunn has made it clear she is not playing in NWSL this season.

  • SEM

    One by one national team players are heading overseas, I don’t think anyone is surprised by this. There’s no reason for them to stay in the NWSL when they can make more money overseas and improve their play.

  • wosofan

    Well at least this league made it to five years.

    • Steglitz49

      It will keep going. Don’t worry; be happy!

    • Never know

      The season has not started yet.

  • kernel_thai

    This is further proof that USWNT needs to expand the pool and put that next level of player in the national spotlight. Exposing those players regularly to the larger NT fanbase will help offset the inevitable of a few star players to high paying foreign clubs

    • Steglitz49

      There was a time — twice actually — that the world’s best players came to play in the US. The dynamics have changed and WoSo must go with the flow.

      • WPS_Movement

        WPS was the NBA of women’s soccer.

        • Steglitz49

          The question remains to be answered whether a ladies pro-league can be profitable. Without sponsorship it is hard to see it.

          Wealthy male soccer clubs seem to have ladies sections as charitable work and service to society. They may well hope to grow their game so it becomes profitable but it will take time. Meanwhile, American women have the NCAA and Title IX till they graduate at 22-23.

          Let’s put some figures on it. Maybe $5m per year (see below). With 15 home games and assume you can make a profit of $50 per man, woman and child attending you need 6700 in the stands. If you only pull in $25/person, you need 13,400.

          The salary bill including hidden employment costs for a WoSo club side would be $3m without being overly generous. Add $1m for coaches, physios, medical staff etc. Then you need a travel budget. A wealthy mens team can lend them a field to play on and gym to train in etc, otherwise you have to pay for that too.

          One player paid at Alex’s level means $300k/year, lets have a couple at $175/year, 4 at $125k/year and 15 rest at $70k/year. That makes an annual salary bill of $2.2m. Add hidden employment costs and you have $3m at least.

          • rkmid71

            Clearly a high fixed cost business model where economies of scale are crucial to profitability. As you point out, without the USSF subsidies and utilizing MLS facilities or comparable situation where facility fixed costs are low. at the moment well below minimum economic scale to be profitable (except maybe Portland). Nobody (or very few) going to spend $50 per person to attend a WoSo pro match. Clubs have been rightfully cautious to increase the fixed cost base. Your 5% of 95% is > 70% of 5% gets to that point also.

            Your salary figures are full year. NWSL season only lasts about 6 months (April to September). Are they working 12 months but only playing 6 months? I would put them to work on other revenue generating activity (camps, etc). And you mention sponsorships, TV and merchandise revenue (if any)? It’s only 20 games a season. You might be overstating the player costs and probably understating the other costs and not mentioning other revenue. Plus the clubs should get reimbursed when the players are away for NT duty. To keep fixed costs at a minimum, I would also be looking to leverage the wealthy (or at least less poor) men’s clubs — that’s why expansion through MLS makes more sense (assuming they want to do it).

            I guess I really didn’t take a shot at answering your question…Can a ladies pro-league be profitable? The WNBA, in its 20th season, doesn’t draw many fans. And the USA breathes basketball as Taurasi says. Average WNBA attendance in 2016 was 7,655, up 4.6% from 2015 which was a bad year, the lowest average attendance in league history. The record high average was 10,864 in 1998, the league’s second season, but the league has not topped 10,000 since 2009.

            Btw, the best selling WNBA jersey this year is Breanna Stewart and her team was top in team merchandising. UConn (24-0 this season) won again yesterday, 99 in row. Goes for 100 in row against 3rd ranked South Carolina (record 21-2) Monday night. UConn just built a new $28m basketball facility. They are planning a $46 million project to build new soccer, baseball and softball stadium complex. Construction is expected to begin in the spring of 2018. The basketball teams winning all those national championships surely has set a high standard for other sports.

          • Steglitz49

            That the NWSL season only last 6 months is no reason for not paying players per year. The European ladies leagues run for 7 or 8 months only, often with a gap for the WC, Euro or OG.

            The difference is that the Europeans have 11 home and 11 away games plus the domestic Cup matches, so most teams play 15 home games, added to which any Champions League matches.

            The change in Europe is unstopable. The ladies sections of the rich men’s clubs are dominating. Almost totally gone are the women only clubs. Rosengård, Frankfurt and Potsdam are about the few that can cope, maybe Göteborg because they have a generous sponsor.

            After all, if clubs like Arsenal and Chelsea can start to fill their main stadia for WoSo matches, the ladies will start to earn their keep and more. Thus, the profit per year will get even higher because a small profit is still a profit.

          • guest

            I don’t know where you get these salary numbers from, they’re way too high. Many are happy to work for starving artist wages as long as they have the carrot of playing for the WNT dangling before them. It’s not an unrealistic goal either, judging by the success of Williams, who is now an NT regular after only two years in the league.

            And the more carrots they have dangling, the more players they can keep interested in the league, which is another reason they need to throw out the CBA and widen the player pool.

          • Steglitz49

            I invented them.

            Alex Morgan is paid 25,000€ per month allegedly. Zlatan earns about 1m € per month. USWNT players earn 150k dollars in a lean year and 275k dollars in a fat one.

    • Som Termanni

      That’s the one thing the league and USSF need to do with this TV deal, and because it’s this league and this federation, it’s the one thing I expect they won’t do. If anything they’ll make sure the broadcasts talk about the players who left as much as possible, to the detriment of the ones on the pitch.

  • chive-on

    Well until the league starts not treating players like crap, this is going to happen. Low pay, not involving the players in any decisions, poor playing fields and facilities, etc., it’s like, duh of course they’re going to want to leave. I think it’s bizarre that some people are actually mad at players for leaving and so that means they “don’t support the NWSL so, screw em”. Would you support the NWSL if you were in their position and wanted to improve your game and get paid/treated what you were worth?

    • CED

      Your delusion is noted. The players leaving are the ones, ie…allocated players who are given special treatment while they in their clauses in the CBA/MOU show they don’t have disdain for the other NWSL players that aren’t allocated. Btw, they are paid 54/56K for NWSL while missing lmost 50% of the games, while other players get pittance. The same NT players your whining about also prevent NWSL players as much as possible from getting NT chances.

      • Steglitz49

        Indeed. The haves and the have nots. Keep the peons in their place.

    • mockmook

      The elite players are paid plenty — there is an expectation that if you get a USWNT contract, then you might help support the domestic league. That seems fair.

      Lower tier players often won’t be paid better overseas (according to the “knowledgeable” commenters here)

      And, the NWSL did just double the minimum, so it is trying to get better.

      • Steglitz49

        Hear hear! Verily and forsooth.

      • Som Termanni

        I’m curious about the effects the minimum salary hike might be having on the number of still-outstanding contracts, including the unsigned (and some recently signed) non-NTers who’ve left the league.

        The upper end of the unallocated player cap was at least implicitly tied to the MOU, and coincidentally the league hasn’t announced new upper player or team caps.

        If the team caps are set, it’s odd that the league hasn’t mentioned it. We don’t know if or how much they’ve increased. If the A+E deal was still being negotiated until the announcement, the league might still be figuring out how high they can afford to set them–we don’t know how much money the league got from lifetime, only “millions”, which could be anywhere from $2M on upward, nor do we know if any of that is conditional to setting up NWSL Media as opposed to league payroll.

        If the team caps haven’t increased, teams and players might also be waiting for the new CBA. The MOU at least implicitly guided the player caps in the past–USSF can’t have a club player making more than a USWNT player.

        So I wonder if teams and players are in limbo right now. If teams don’t know how much cap space they have to work with, or players don’t yet know how much they can ask for, everybody who’s unsigned is stalling on signing new deals (and staying on the market longer for other leagues to poach them). Or if the team caps don’t increase by more than $100k or max salaries increase by more than expected, the minimum salary hike might leave some teams with an unexpected cap crunch.

        • tonysocref

          Sure hope we see a team cap increase of $100,000 or more.
          With the indicated minimum increase to $15,000, teams are looking at a minimum of $270,000 hit on the cap for a roster of only 18

        • g2

          salary cap math perspective
          Using NWSL 2016 salary team cap $278K, player Max $39,700 and player Min $7,200 roster size 18-20 players.
          20 X player min of $7,200 = $144,000
          team cap $278,000 – $144,000 would leave $134,000 to be apportioned out to pay some players above the min.

          with new player Min of $15,000 for 2017 season
          20 X player min of $15,000 = $300,000
          so a team cap of $434,000 (or more) would be needed to provide at least the same $134,000 amount to be apportion to pay some players above the min

          a number of players (on option year of prior contracts or who signed new contracts before new $15k min was announced) may well already be locked in to contracts above $15k (so teams do not have to redo contracts) so the full $134K delta above min may not be needed (and some NWSL owners may not be in financial position to handle $434K team cap).

          Where ever the team cap is set, teams may be in either a salary cap crunch or a financial crunch

    • guest

      getting paid what you are worth? what happened to the equal play equal pay for everyone?

  • CED

    I love the whiny comment already starting. Btw, people you do realize having players in foreign leagues is how real world soccer works, not protected enclaves of people staying in their domestic leagues. Ie,,take a look at the top 20 players in the men’s game about 1/2 don’t play in the league of their nationality….Messi, Ronaldo, Suarez, Neymar, Griezmann, Lewondowski, Soccer is a world game.

    • Steglitz49

      In WoSo the US was used to having all the top talent playing, not just Marta and Miyama. The idea, that a US domestic league does not attract the best in the wold, is a big step and hard to contemplate.

      • wosofan

        Isn’t that because NWSL wants to be a sustainable league though?

        • Steglitz49

          The purpose of the NWSL is to fulfill an unwritten requirement that a nations must have a pro-league to be allowed to play in the WC.

        • guest

          If players like Henry are coming it is great and awesome and the NWSL is the best and most attractive league in the world and sooner or later all big stars will play in the NWSL

          If players like Morgan, Dunn and Lloyd are leaving, the NWSL never intended to have stars and it is good that they leave since it improves the sustainability

      • guest

        “[H]ard to contemplate.” It may hard for you to contemplate that the average NWSL attendance is much higher than any other woso league in the world, even without the so-called stars you mentioned.

        • Steglitz49

          The money is sweet.

          • guest

            There’s more to life than money. Shallow Swede.

          • rkmid71

            “I love money. I love everything about it. I bought some pretty good stuff. Got me a $300 pair of socks. Got a fur sink. An electric dog polisher. A gasoline powered turtleneck sweater. And, of course, I bought some dumb stuff, too.”
            ~ Steve Martin

            “You can be young without money, but you can’t be old without it.”

          • Steglitz49

            Typical WoSo snide remark and own goal.

            “Money is a good thing to have but you should not have too much of it, just more than enough.”

            Lyon is the gastronomical capital of France, if not the world. Paris is Paris. If you are tired of London, you are tired of life. The defendant chose to live in Manchester, a totally incomprehensible choice for a free man to make. Frankfurt, Potsdam and Wolfsburg all have their distinctions as do Montpellier, Göteborg and Rosengård, not to forget Avaldsnes and Vålerenga.

    • Ethan

      I understand your comment, but out of the names you gave, only one player’s nationality (Griezmann) matches up with one of the big five leagues in the world, and Ligue 1 is arguably the weakest of the five. Relatively speaking, I think the NWSL in terms of level of play is notably higher than South American leagues, the top level Polish league, and Ligue 1.

      • Barkley

        You are talking about the few months kick and rush league in which many games are played without national players and in which it is more important for many teams to not perform in order to have better draft opportunities in the following year?

      • CED

        The top leagues in the world are that b/c they attract the best players from around the world. The best and most consistent teams in the world would be a shadow of themselves without the ability to attract top foreign players. NWSL and USWNT fans are provincial in mindset.

  • guest

    that is fine if uswnt players want to play in the two-team euro leagues. they should play where they want to. however, we all know they are only want to go to the top two teams for contracts and trophies. but i hope and expect jill ellis to publicly and privately inform the uswnt players and fans that uswnt players that are not starting for their club teams will not be starting for the uswnt team. and i contend that if the uswnt players are not starting for their euro teams that they should not even be called up to the uswnt game day rosters. the uswnt should not be rewarding players that mostly just sit on the bench at top euro clubs. i would like to see those game day roster spot go to outperforming american starters in the nwsl. equal opportunity like the usmnt!

    • guest

      You seem to be very bitter

      • guest

        there is nothing bitter about equal opportunity. just like the men’s teams do it. equality for all.

    • wosofan

      What players have been rewarded for sitting on the bench? You are talking about a situation that will never happen.

    • Steglitz49

      I doubt that these clubs are paying foreign players to warm the bench.

    • nstarsfan

      I read the above to imply that without being allocated, they may have been paid the same as other players in the NWSL. If that’s true, then of course they flee. It could also be that not playing in the NWSL is a way of pushing for a better deal in CBA negotiations.

      Honestly, I don’t understand the lack of movement with the CBA. We have no games scheduled past SBC. Others have several.

  • Ron Rocha

    We seem to focus on money and getting better at soccer but what about adventure, romance and expanding life’s experiences? These people are not the couch potato types. They will always strike out into the unknown… that’s how they got where they are. What they have chosen to do with their lives allows them these options so why not. Anyway, last I heard they are all staying on this tiny planet.

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    • Steglitz49

      I am not convinced that Manchester fulfills the first 2 in your list — adventure and romance // though I grant you that it may expand her life experiences. So would playing in the Faeroe Islands, where they have a special soccer law granted them by FIFA.

      • guest

        She needs to be convinced, not you. City is an adventure and a romance for her. Stick to your Swedish clubs. It says everything about Swedes when they support English clubs instead of Swedish clubs

        • Steglitz49

          It was Ron Rocha’s list, not mine.

          Adventure and romance would be to go and play somewhere challenging, like in Nepal or Mozambique.

          Rosengard just beat Arsenal 2-1 in a practice match.

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  • Som Termanni

    Anyone know why Lauletta’s trying to drag Ali Krieger by digging up the corpse of Chuck “Desiree Scott hasn’t signed a contract and the NWSL is a cult” Vine and giving it a bullhorn?

    • mockmook

      What in the world are you talking about?

      • Som Termanni

        Lauletta decided to share Vine calling Krieger “an absolute locker room nightmare” on Twitter. That naturally imploded, since it comes on the heels of Krieger’s media day exercise with the Pride. Vine also said the Spirit “organization is top notch”: https://twitter.com/TheDanLauletta/status/830427939196043266

        It’s some par-for-Twitter trolling, but for some reason Dan bit hard, apparently entirely because Vine’s an agent who reps some NWSL players. Since people interested in NWSL news follow Dan, he ended up lining up a bunch of Pride and Krieger fans for Vine to troll at his leisure for the rest of the day.

        Vine was the agent in the middle of two 2014 disasters: Desiree Scott avoiding a FCKC contract offer (that FCKC thought she signed) and CSA allocation to leave the league and play for Notts County, and Lauren Sesselmann trying to dodge the Dash picking her in the expansion draft: http://equalizersoccer.com/2014/01/05/desiree-scott-notts-county-nwsl-kansas-city-no-contract-extension-agent/, http://www.thebluetestament.com/2014/1/10/5296492/sesselmanns-agent-responds-to-her-being-drafted

        Vine at some point represented Shelina Zadorsky while she played for the Spirit with Krieger, and also Kaylyn Kyle, who just had a rather disastrous offseason of her own. But nobody’s saying why Vine would go after Krieger’s character now, and despite his “firmly voiced” opinion, Vine apparently doesn’t have anything first-hand to add.

        So either Dan is spreading some random trolling from Vine out of ignorance or for kicks, or someone Vine now or previously represented on the Spirit really, really could not get on with Ali Krieger, so much so that even hearing anything good about Krieger set fine Vine to full spew.

        • Steglitz49

          Desiree Scott did more than OK with Notts County. She got to play in the first ever FA women’s Cup final at Wembley though they lost 0-1 to Chelsea on a goal scored by Ji So-yun. Not a bad memory to have when you are old an arthritic.

          • guest

            She already forgot about it. The FA cup match was meaningless for her

          • Steglitz49

            You make a typical snide WoSo comment instead of being constructive. Of course Desiree will remember that final. She nearly scored.

            The FA women’s Cup is 17 years older than Desiree.

            Desiree is mentioned in dispatches from the final, that she almost scored with a long range shot and that Notts almost scored from the resulting corner.

            The first woman to score a goal at Wembley was Pia Sundhage. The following year Carolina Morace scored 4. It is a rare honor to play at Wembley and it was the first ever ladies FA Cup final there, in which Desiree got to play.

          • guest

            Desiree does not remember that meaningless match. She is well aware of the zero value of that match. She liked to play in the English league though

          • Steglitz49

            The FA women’s Cup final is broadcast live on the BBC, a bit like the NWSL Championship final would be live on either ABC, CBS or NBC.

          • guest

            I follow European leagues as well. I love and support all women leagues. But your permanent super hyping of the FA cup and it’s final is extremely annoying

          • Steglitz49

            33,000 turned up last year and watched. The year Desiree played it was 30,000. Time will tell how many will go along.

            For last year’s NWSL Championship final 8,255 tickets were sold and for the one in 2015 it was 13,264 — a total of 21,519 for both years combined. (The 2015 one was played in Portland who average 15,000 for a home game and has been known to pull in 21,000.)

          • guest

            Nobody watches the FAWSL. A US college team, BYU, drew an average 2,957 fans to their matches this past season, more than double the average FAWSL attendance of 1,128. Even Sky Blue draws more fans.

            I just hope these players running off to wealthy European clubs enjoy their bigger paychecks, because it sure seems kind of empty.

          • rkmid71

            Are they really making that much more than allocated player in NWSL? Maybe Morgan. Who else? At OL I think Pinoe in her prime got about 1/2 what Morgan’s making.

          • Steglitz49

            33,000 can’t be wrong.

            “Money, money, money!” sang ABBA. “Money makes the world go round”, was in Cabaret.

            In short, I would not disdain 25,000€/month, would you?

          • guest

            If she’s not scoring goals, and there’s no bump in attendance, there’s no way you can justify her pay, which confirms what most of us have suspected: European woso is just a fantasy league for wealthy men.

          • Steglitz49

            Wealthy men’s teams, you mean.

          • guest

            with more money comes more expectations.

          • Steglitz49

            The FAWSL has a salary ceiling of sorts. How it applies to Jenny Foreigner, I don’t know but it has some impact.

            I understand HAO to Arsenal and Crystal to Chelsea but Carli to Man City must simply be to try to win the Champions League (which Arsenal and Chelsea can’t this year) and try to do the quadruple.

            I guess a lot of silverware makes up for freely chosing to live in Manchester.

        • mockmook

          Thanks for the report — sorry I don’t follow the DRAMA much, have enough trouble just following the soccer.

          But, it sounds like FCKC was mostly to blame. If someone doesn’t sign a contract with you, why would you ASSUME they are going to play for you?

          Anyway, an “Agent” spreading rumors (even if they are true) seems like a bad idea (for the agents career).

          • Rdalford

            Canada allocated players (D Scott etc) sign contracts with their federation. D Scott’s salary issue was with Canada federation.
            FCKC got caught in the middle, Canada federation allocated D Scott to FCKC in 2013 and again in 2014 but Scott choose to play in FAWSL in 2014. Scottmade it clear in 2014 (and again in 2016) that FCKC was not the issue. After 2 years in FAWSL she returned to FCKC in 2016.

            The Canadian federation pay to (some?) their allocated NWSL players may be an issue for Canada WNT players and some (Buchanan etc) Canadian WNT players can clearly make more playing in Europe

          • mockmook

            OK, but still, no reason that FCKC should “feign” surprise that someone who isn’t under contract doesn’t play for you.

            Did they ever contact the USSF and ask “Hey, did Scott sign her contract yet?”

            This is stupid to blame the player or the agent.

          • Rdalford

            Did they ever contact the USSF and ask “Hey, did Scott sign her contract yet?”
            sort of pointless to ask USSF about a Canadian player who would be under contract to the Canadian federation. The allocations were finalized in Dec 2013 and announced in Jan.

            The USSF and Canada federations announced 2014 NWSL allocated players on Jan 3, 2014
            The Canadian allocated players included D Scott
            FC Kansas City 2014 allocated players
            Nicole Barnhart (USA)
            Lauren Holiday (USA)
            Amy Rodriguez (USA)
            Becky Sauerbrunn (USA)
            Desiree Scott (CAN)
            Lauren Sesselmann (CAN)
            Cecilia Santiago (MEX)

            However, also in early January, Notts County Ladies announced signing Scott – headline from BBC Sports Jan 2nd
            “Notts County Ladies have signed Canada international Desiree Scott, subject to international clearance”

            Scott and her agent were unhappy with salary from Canadian federation and cut the deal with Notes County – apparently with no advance notice to FCKC or Can federation. Therefore Canadian federation still had Scott on allocated player list.

            Eventual resolution was early Feb announcement by Canadian federation, NWSL and FCKC that Scott had been transferred to Notts County Ladies

            All old history now,

          • mockmook

            Again, beside the point.

            If she hasn’t signed a contract, it doesn’t matter where she is Allocated. CSA can’t force her to play for FCKC (unless slavery is legal in Canada).

            Pretend you are an employer. Your employee has had months to sign a new deal, but hasn’t, and the clock is ticking towards a deadline:

            Wouldn’t you get a least bit suspicious that the employee is exploring other options and might soon be gone?

          • mockmook

            Ah, now I see, you’re hung up on the “Contract” thing.

            Surely, a Canadian can’t just walk across the border, put on her cleats, and start playing for your team/league without signing some sort of employment agreement with your team/league, right?

          • Steglitz49

            Whatever happened to Cecilia Santiago?

          • Rdalford

            my understanding continues to be that Canadian WNT (allocated) players are employees of and under contract to their federation (similar to USWNT players who are employees of and sign contract with USSF – MOU states one contract)

          • mockmook

            I understand.

            But, I think she still must sign something (a waiver, a contract, a terms of service, — whatever) with the NWSL/FCKC.

            Vine certainly called it a contract:

            “Desiree did not sign the contract extension presented to her on 8/9/13. However, the circumstances which her contract extension was presented by FCKC are being investigated by proper authorities.”

            http://equalizersoccer.com/2014/01/05/desiree-scott-notts-county-nwsl-kansas-city-no-contract-extension-agent/

          • Steglitz49

            Sort of old but the money thing has raised its head thoroughly this season round with two of the brightest draft propsects not entering the draft and one draftee playing her hand with aplomb so she was drafted by a team to her taste.

            Why play for a pittance in the NWSL when you can play for more abroad or even just the same but broaden your horizons. Being a top allocated USWNT can match the siren songs from foreign prelates and bailiffs but for anyone else, why not play in the Faeroe Islands?

          • Rdalford

            for Canadian WNT (allocated) players the pittance is salary that Canadian federation is paying.
            I have noted in prior postings that some WNT players (Buchanan, Lawrence etc) are being offered better money (i.e. more than federation is paying when they play in NWSL) to play for teams in Europe. The Canadian WNT coach also seems to be encouraging others to consider Europe so little surprise that more Canadian players are looking to Europe.

          • Steglitz49

            The officers of the USWNT are as a group by far the best paid in WoSo. Japan and the Nordic countries have long encouraged their players to seek fortune abroad. Canadian players are simply treading a well trodden path.

            As for Carli joining Man City, it gives her an excellent chance to win all sorts of club silverware. Of the current NWSL players, Fishlock, Krieger and Henry are unusual in having won the Champions League — and Kriegs actually did the treble.

    • newsouth

      Sounds like you are dissing the half-german! It’s not appreciated around these parts.

      • guest

        she seems half-german and half-crazy.

        • guest

          kreiger got the crazy eyes.

          • guest

            As long as Kreiger and not Krieger has crazy eyes everything is fine

          • guest

            spellpatrol is on the clock.

          • mockmook

            Hah!!!! I now understand why guest “repeated” Kreeger in that sentence 🙂

  • Reality

    Starting lineup for Olympique Lyonnais in the first of 2 straight games against 4th place Juvisy…

    https://twitter.com/OL/status/830789805713850368

    • guest

      is there any way to watch these games in the States?

      • Reality

        Not to my knowledge although the game can usually be picked up on youtube afterwards.

    • rkmid71

      Assuming just a manager choice (and no health/injury). Morgan has some competition. Unlike in NWSL, she doesn’t have USSF dictating playing time, positions to club. Le Sommer has 172 goals in 186 appearances for Lyon. 52 in 116 for France. Hegerberg has 88 in 67 appearances for Lyon. She’s 21 yrs old. Hegerberg scored three goals in 2015 WC group stage Hegerberg was awarded the 2015 Norwegian Gold Ball, given to the best footballer in Norway. She was the first woman to win the award in 20 years.

      It will be interesting to see what ManCity does with Lloyd, where they play her, etc.

      Personally, I would bet it’s O’Reilly and Dunn that make a bigger impact overseas, more seemlessly fit in, etc. Dunn being so versatile and O’Reilly the consummate team player, insanely fit, always prepared, willing to accept any role. At least that’s my perception.

      • guest

        too bad lesommer can’t replicate her club form for the French WNT because they desperately need her to score. It’s the worst part of their game. Too bad Hegerberg can’t play for them.

        • ABCDE

          so she’s like the French Christen Press

          • guest

            I have a good feeling about Christen this cycle.These next 3 years are now or never time for her.

          • Steglitz49

            The past 3 were comme ci comme ca and possibly downhill.

          • A_Dog_Without_A_Clutch

            My cafe’ au lait always taste better when I use a French Christen Press.

      • Reality

        OL is currently in 2nd place to PSG although they have a game in hand. However, PSG has won the first of their 2 matches 1-0. So this is a critical game. Prêcheur has announced that he will be leaving after this season and I think he wants to ensure that OL wins the triple again this year. If OL jumps to a lead, Morgan will probably come in to give her experience against a better team compared to the last 3 matches.

    • DNG

      No surprise to me. Hegerberg is the better all around striker and ELS is the much better second forward.

      • Reality

        I think that Morgan will be used carefully by Prêcheur in big games. She is still an unproven variable and needs to demonstrate that she can fit in with OL.

        • DNG

          I think she’ll be used as a sub in big games. I don’t see her supplanting ELS or Ada unless it’s a directive from upper management. She’s not better than either and won’t improve that much over the course of this season

          • Reality

            Given Aulas’s investment in Morgan, I wonder if he makes “suggestions” to Prêcheur?

          • DNG

            It’s his right to do that or replace the coach as the team’s president but I think they would be a worse team with Morgan in the lineup.

          • rkmid71

            Nah….he just wants to win. Morgan may end up being more like an expensive insurance plan. Jerry Jones is ok with Tony Romo as a backup. Though that’s not what he thought would happen when he signed Romo to a 6 year, $108,000,000 contract, including a $25,000,000 signing bonus, $55,000,000
            guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $18,000,000. Who knew Dak Prescott would be so good?

          • Breakers fan

            Just think if they hadn’t drafted Prescott…..

          • DNG

            I think I’ve actually read there’s been some friction between Aulas and the manager over the use of Morgan. Supposedly the coach might be leaving after the year is over.

          • kernel_thai

            Well it’s not just Morgan. Aulas also mentioned Marozsan and why his two expensive imports aren’t playing at the same time. On the other side Prêcheur is juggling a lot of balls and it can’t be easy.

          • DNG

            Yeah I don’t blame the coach or Aulas.

          • Som Termanni

            This just caught my attention, posted during halftime:

            https://twitter.com/OL_Plus/status/830817177309683713

            Aulas saying the next coach needs to speak English because OL has an inside track. After Morgan, I can’t discount his pot stirring quite so much.

          • guest

            can you go into a little more detail about what this and you mean?

          • Reality

            I wonder if Aulas was counting on a substantive increase in attendance? I think the signing was more of a prestige thing with the hope that Morgan might make a difference in the CL.

          • Breakers fan

            Have there been any attendance increases at home and/or on the road for OL games?

          • Reality

            So far there has been nothing dramatic, but I would have to look up the exact figures.

          • guest

            She has me more interested in following the French league and CL, I’m not going to lie. Same with Lloyd and Dunn in England. Not that it matters since I’m here in the US, though.

          • Reality

            These are the attendance figures for the last 3 games. Since there are only 2 games with each club, home and away, it is hard to make a direct comparison at this point. More will be known at the end of the season.

            GUINGAMP VS. OLYMPIQUE LYONNAIS 0 – 3
            3076
            OLYMPIQUE LYONNAIS VS. OLYMPIQUE MARSEILLE 4 – 0
            1404
            OLYMPIQUE LYONNAIS VS. JUVISY 5 – 2
            4913

          • Breakers fan

            Thanks! Would have to compare with last year at season’s end for home and away.

          • Steglitz49

            These sums are unreal.

          • rkmid71

            That’s why BroSo in USA has a long way to go. Similar in MLB and NBA. That’s why the overlooked and undrafted remain so persistent. NFL doesn’t care about your “pedigree”. It cares performance and results. That’s how $108 million player becomes a backup. Happened to get injured, and someone else got a chance. Same thing with Brady in New England.

          • Steglitz49

            I remember the year Brady got his chance. The snowbowl?

          • rkmid71

            Yep. That would also be the Tuck Rule Game. Oakland was robbed. Nevertheless, from my perspective, Brady is now officially the best of all time. I’m having a hard time supplanting Vince Lombardi with Bill Belichick though…but it’s close. I need more time to process.

    • Steglitz49

      The weakest player is the goalie. The lineup is unreal. Abily may be getting a bit long in the tooth though.

    • guest

      alex morgan is not starting for her club team. then she should not be starting for the uswnt national team. if that doesn’t change in the next month, she should be dropped from the SBC uswnt roster.

      • Reality

        What makes me think that this is highly unlikely? This is the official year of the mercenary for USWNT players…NWSL be darned.

        • DNG

          I think guest is being a little unfair even if I don’t think Morgan should be the #1 striker for the USWNT. Is there any US forward that would start for OL? I don’t think so.

          • guest

            you don’t think press would start ahead of le summer? that would seem surprising. certainly no one is taking hederberg’s place.

          • DNG

            Maybe. I certainly don’t think it’s a given. They don’t do the same things.

          • Reality

            One cannot make it to the top of the European heap without first playing in Europe for a while and demonstrating an ability to excel there. At the forward position, Press is the only USWNT player that fits that description.

          • DNG

            Horan played well for PSG no?

          • Reality

            Given that she is not playing forward for the USWNT, I did not include her. However, she did well at PSG although it is curious that her appearances and goals progressively diminished there…

            Year – Apps – Goals
            2012–2013 – 25 – 20
            2013–2014 – 23 – 16
            2014–2015 – 15 – 10
            2015–2016 – 13 – 8

          • DNG

            Injury in her last 2 years at PSG slowed her down

          • guest

            horan did lose her starter spot near the last years. might have been to cristane.

          • DNG

            I think they started to move her to the 10. This was before they signed Vero.

          • Reality
          • DNG

            Cristiane posted that this isn’t true and that she well be at PSG at least until the end of her contract(July).

            https://twitter.com/KiersTheivam/status/830862915750223872

          • Reality

            You just can’t trust anything you read on twitter nowadays!

          • mockmook

            I know, until yesterday it was fine 🙂

          • Reality

            But tomorrow will be better ;{

          • guest

            i guess cristiane will deny it until after the first of july. lol.

          • guest

            from what i have read. it seems it’s two cwsl clubs in particular that are not messing around.

          • Reality

            China is an “emerging” power.

          • rkmid71

            Xi Jinping loves soccer. They are serious. Let’s see how China does in Algarve. They play Netherlands, Sweden, and Australia March 1,3,6.

            Their starting GK Zhao Lina is 6’2″. Agile. They got knocked out by Germany in OG 1-0 in quarterfinals.

          • Reality

            China is looking for various ways to increase their prestige. Sports is a traditional road for nationalistic fervor. Wang Shuang is a player to watch…

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxtfYH_pDQY&feature=youtu.be

          • guest

            She should be playing forward for the NT, or at least given an opportunity to play there, or tbh she shouldn’t be on the team. she is the only decent header out of the current potential forwards. at any rate, she isn’t a midfielder.

          • ABCDE

            Lloyd is a very good header. Morgan is ok, Press is useless in the air, and Dunn is generally too short to get the opportunity.

          • guest

            ironically one of Press highlight reel goals is that T&T header assisted by Horan, though it is the most spastic looking header I’ve ever seen.

          • guest

            what do you rate megan rapinoe’s headers?

          • Reality

            It would seem to be too much of a Wambachian regression.

          • ABCDE

            Disagree. Horan has better technical ability than Wambach ever did. No one will ever know unless she is tried there. As long as she is now guaranteed a roster spot with the old CBA, I’d rather see her tried there than known flop ARod

          • DNG

            I’d love to see Horan get some minutes at CF for both her club and the USWNT. The one thing about her game that makes me thing she won’t really get a shot with the NT is that she’s not great at pressing back lines and it looks like that will be a key skill for Ellis’ forwards.

          • rkmid71

            Yes, but she would be great against a packed in defense. And just as good or better than Lloyd pressing back lines.

          • DNG

            Agreed

      • guest

        at least dropped to the bench.

        • mockmook

          This makes no sense. The measure is how she stacks up against the other USA options, not how she fares in France.

          • guest

            game form and fitness are always a consideration. we will have to see how many minutes she continues to get.

          • rkmid71

            Not a major consideration in recent times. At OG. Rapinoe (no matches after ACL), Lloyd (no NWSL after knee sprain taking double or triple normal recovery time), Brian (limited matches due to hamstring), etc. And at WC remember Boxx (only playing closed door scrimmages) and Wambach (skipping NWSL entirely). Perhaps that is now a lesson learned and taken more seriously?

          • guest

            yes, that’s what i meant. it should be a strong consideration. especially for the the top ranked team in the world with the deepest player pool. players should be healthy,fit and in-form for major tournaments.

          • mockmook

            Right, you will compare her form to that of other USA players.

  • Reality
    • guest

      Ada is quite tall… I never realized.

      • ABCDE

        She’s 5’10. Its part of why her aerial game is so good.

        • guest

          I’d like to see US play Norway. It would be better than most of the creampuffs they usually play.. at least we’d get to watch Ada in action.

          • rkmid71

            Allie Long to mark her? That would be fun to watch.

          • guest123

            In Algarve 2015, US played Norwya. Ada was the lone goal scorer.

      • Reality

        She definitely uses it to advantage in the box.

        • rkmid71

          Loved that Marozsán move and pass.

          • Reality

            Marozsán is a joy to watch. It’s too bad about Cascarino getting injured. That was a real loss for OL.

          • Steglitz49

            Seeing how commentators on the EQ love to use abbreviations, Maro is not infrequently referred to as DZ.

    • Breakers fan

      Closest simulation of a pinball machine I’ve ever seen on a soccer field. Try and duplicate that!

      • Reality

        Ding, Ding, Ding!

      • rkmid71

        OL had like 6 players in the box.

        • Breakers fan

          They really did all converge on goal there. Seems like the correct move, especially if this is a weak opponent. Not sure how often teams generally do bring that many players into the box in situations like that. I feel like I’m watching the Yankees during a certain Steinbrenner era whenever I get glimpses of OL – big name after big name.

          • Steglitz49

            To some extent the same is true for PSG, Bayern Munich and Man City and even lowly but lovely Montpellier.

            The difference is that Lyon started it when Aulas decided to spend on their ladies. One of their very first signings was Lotta Schelin. Allegedly they paid Göteborg $200-250,000 to get her.

  • Reality
  • Reality

    PSG wins their game against Saint-Etienne 4-0 to maintain their first place although OL has a game in hand…

    https://twitter.com/ParisienSpo_IDF/status/830807731061792773

    • DNG

      Did PSG get the points deduction overturned?

      • Reality

        I think their appeal was rejected.

        • DNG

          If they didn’t get it overturned I think they should be 4 points behind Lyon.

          • Reality

            It was a 4 point loss at the time…

            http://www.womenssoccerunited.com/psg-deducted-points/

          • DNG

            Right. Assuming this is still true they should have 2 loses(other to Montpellier) and a further point deduction. I wouldn’t be surprised if they get the decision overturned though.

    • Breakers fan

      Reality, just curious – have you followed the French league like this for a few years now or is this the first? I just don’t recall you having an interest in it before but I could be way off in thinking that.

      • Reality

        As you might have observed, I don’t post regularly at EQ anymore, but will contribute when I have an interest in a given topic. I’ve been following European WOSO since 2012 when Press went to Goteborg and followed Rapinoe, Heath and Horan when they were in France. Now it is getting more interesting with the current migration of U.S. players.

        • A_Dog_Without_A_Clutch
          • Reality

            Give me a hint.:)

          • A_Dog_Without_A_Clutch

            You’ll recognize the first goalscorer. She had some Spirit!

          • A_Dog_Without_A_Clutch

            Also, this was one of the most dramatic games of the UWCL Round of 32 as i recall.

          • Reality

            Sam Witteman?

          • A_Dog_Without_A_Clutch

            And upon further research she just a “Flash in the pan”. Oh, well.

            (bravado DASHed)

          • Reality

            What did your research reveal?

      • rkmid71

        That’s the great thing about US players overseas. I’m paying more attention too. I want to see what Jordan does in Scotland, Dunn at Chelsea, O’Reilly at Aresenal, etc. Press when she was in Sweden with Marta — and writing all those memoirs, lessons learned, etc, etc.

  • Reality

    Nice header by Clara Matéo of Juvisy…

    https://twitter.com/OL_Plus/status/830810499348623360

    • Breakers fan

      And just as good or better pass, of course.

  • Reality
    • Steglitz49

      Saki is good at penalties as she showed already at age 20 in the WC-11 Final.

  • Reality

    Morgan did come in at the start of the second period foe Hegerberg…

    https://twitter.com/OL/status/830818538231300100

    • Breakers fan

      I wonder if the glut of good forwards is causing any internal dissension? We’d probably never hear about it, if it were. All the players involved are used to, and deserve to be playing full games but that can’t happen now. And then there are some language difficulties, perhaps. I just wonder…
      It’s like a baseball all-star game to some extent. Great players play 3 innings and then get pulled.

      • Reality

        I would think there has to be some tension there re: not only utilization but perhaps also compensation. But they are professionals so…

        • Breakers fan

          is Morgan making the most? And if so, by a lot?

          • Reality

            That was my impression although I will defer to anyone with more precise knowledge.

        • Guest

          At least they all make a living wage. I’d think there’s more tension in the NWSL where you have NT players clearing what, 200-300K yearly and at least doubling that in endorsements with some clearing 1MM. Meanwhile NWSL players doing the same job make 20-40K with virtually no shot at NT glory based on the CBA

          • guest

            Morgan made what, at least 20 million in the past 4 years according to some estimates? I woudl bet that Lloyd, Press, JJ, Brian, Heath and some of the other players with a lot of endorsements are clearing well over 1M

          • rkmid71

            Salaries are decent money, but it’s the endorsements that are big money. That’s why it’s interesting to me that the USWNTPA has been fighting USSF so much. You would have expected them to focus mainly on the anti competition clauses — try to limit and restrict competition for their roster spots. They would never admit that of course — it sounds so weak. Forget the equal pay for equal work nonsense. Of course, it’s too late now that they’ve flamed out in OG and even embarrassed the USSF in doing so. All bets are off. That’s why Lloyd is keeping her head down.

          • kernel_thai

            Saw an estimate somewhere that Lloyd made about $2.5 million from endorsements after the WC performance.

          • DNG

            The players for PSG and Lyon might all be making a living wage but I don’t think all the players on the rest of the teams in the league are. Many need to take second jobs. Same is true of the other top European leagues as well.

          • Reality

            I’m not sure how well the average (sub-elite) player is paid in in France, but I would suspect that it would be borderline to a living wage.

          • guest

            Well we are talking about Lyon which basically has all of the French stars and some international stars so I’m guessing they all make a living wage on that particular team. I believe they get housing and a car as well.

          • DNG

            Lyon doesn’t have a salary cap.

          • Reality

            Aulas est très généreuse.

          • DNG

            I think he and the OL board view the successful women’s team as a big positive for their overall brand. Right now they believe the investment is worth it. Who knows if that will continue though.

          • Reality

            I wish our MLS teams had more of that attitude.

          • DNG

            MLS teams have much less capital overall to work with and their league is still growing itself. The NWSL isn’t doing bad itself right now.

          • Reality

            We need more of our billionaire capitalists to take a greater interest in soccer.

          • guest

            Perhaps but they seem to be more interested in buying into NBA franchises where they get a nice ROI.

          • DNG

            Sports teams are pretty much all poor investments compared to actual smart investing.

          • guest

            nfl owners seem to make a very good return.

          • guest

            yeah but you know, fun and stuff.

          • rkmid71

            Most don’t invest in sports franchises to get a nice ROI. You don’t really want to lose a lot money however. I think for most billionaires, it’s about protecting capital once you’re that rich.

          • guest

            certainly can’t view the OL men’s team as a big positive.

          • kernel_thai

            Of course Henry left Lyon over money and Renard may be on the way out the door. Both r key players with deep roots so the well isn’t bottomless.

          • Reality

            Money is the root of all movement.

          • ABCDE

            Do you really think that is why Henry left? How much do you think the Thorns are paying her such that Aulas wasn’t willing to match them? It can’t be much more than what he was offering her. I think she just wanted a new experience and the exposure that American WoSo can bring esp. if she is playing with the most highly attended womens club in the world. She said she wanted to learn English to broaden her career horizons in the future.

          • #1Fan

            or maybe Henry got fed up of Morgan being so openly coveted by Aulas.

          • Guester

            I follow Ada on instagram and I love her apartment/house. Maybe she just has good taste lol.

          • guest

            HA! That is hilarious. I am a couple years older than her in med school and I envy all of her interior photos. The high ceilings and paneling are gorgeous. Very French.

          • ABCDE

            I don’t know why Ohai was left off, again, but I would be pretty angry if I were her. She is someone who probably could have made a lot of money over the past couple of years.

      • kernel_thai

        I have a hard time with that. Personally Im not in favor of stockpiling talent as opposed to building around a core of stars surrounded by good role players BUT Lyon is still winning games easily and neither Hegerberg nor LeSommer has slowed in their production. It may actually be a positive that these two get a 45 minute break every other match or so to ease the drain of a long season. The real test will be if Lyon continues this practice against Wolfsburg, Montpellier and PSG.

        • Breakers fan

          Seems like you’re implying that when we see who they play against those 3 teams we’ll really see who they think are best for their team, who they want the most to be playing. Correct?
          Your other points are good and I agree with you, though I think also that those players are young enough to be able to stand up to the rigors of the season as one figures they’d get subbed out anyway late in matches in all the blow-outs that are sure to happen.

          • Steglitz49

            You type — “I think also that those players are young enough” — and Ada Hegerberg is 21 while Alex and Le Sommer are 27. Thus, Alex and Le Sommer should be in their prime but time is not on their side though they ought to manage WC-19 and OG-20 if called upon. Ada has almost another 10 years in her!

        • rkmid71

          Like Cruyff, you seem to be in favor of a strong 11, not 11 strong 1s. Me too.

  • Reality
    • Breakers fan

      Random placement of this post, but a quick question. The player I was most impressed by on France’s U20 WC squad was left back Karchouai. Where is she playing in their pro league? With her and Majri on the left for France for years to come it ain’t gonna be easy to attack that side.

      • Breakers fan

        I looked it up, as I could have before, just wanted to stimulate conversation. She plays for Montpellier. How good are they? (another thing I could look up but would prefer to hear people’s opinions)

        • Reality

          Montpellier is having a good year and currently is in 3rd place. They defeated Bordeaux 2-1 today and will play OL on 2/25.

        • A_Dog_Without_A_Clutch

          They just beat PSG last month- which is an indication of how good they are:

          http://canada2015mykits.tumblr.com/post/155965749855/division-1-feminine-montpellier-hsc-vs

          However, my personal nickname for them are “Les Dauphines” – feminizing the name given to the prince in France’s royal days.

          They are youthful feedstock for the bigger teams like Lyon, PSG, and Juvisy (M’bock-Bathy, Lavogez, etc. started there).

          So, essentially they are French Tottenham/Southampton.

          • Breakers fan

            Great info – thank you! Glad they dealt a titan a loss.
            Love your nickname but please explain it. What connection does Montpellier have to the old French prince?

            My guess is that very soon Karchouai joins PSG or Lyon.

          • A_Dog_Without_A_Clutch

            Montpellier itself has no connection. It is just the term used for the inheritor of the throne.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dauphin_of_France

          • Breakers fan

            Thanks, Interesting that France puts a dolphin on their coat of arms. I wouldn’t have guessed that. Do you know how that came about? I didn’t see it in the article.

          • Steglitz49

            There is a palace in the south of Sweden named Marsvinsholm, which translated is the “Islet of Guinea Pigs” in English but the coat of arms is a dolphin. The reason for this is that in Danish a dolphin is a marsvin. The palace is in the part of Sweden that was Danish till 1658. The Swedes, with a quaint sense of humor, kept the name which in Swedish is incongruous.

          • Steglitz49

            Before Lyon started spending, Montpellier was the top team in France. Patrice Lair was their coach.

        • Steglitz49

          Montpellier has just lost Sofia Jakobsson who tore her ACL. It is a disaster for them and probably will be for Sweden in Euro-17.

          Montpellier signed Stina Blackstenius, the bane of the USWNT.

          • kernel_thai

            Jill Ellis is the bane of USWNT

          • Steglitz49

            The CBA/MOU. Surely the CBA/MOU.

            Maybe pandering to the LBGTQ?

      • mockmook

        I’ll answer random for random:

        Any idea on the status of Kranich?

        She wasn’t released by Boston was she?

        • Breakers fan

          I’ve wondered the same thing. She may have been. They did release 6 players at the end of the year last year. I say that because she is not on the website when you click on roster. And the Prudhomme selection re-enforces that idea. I doubt they want 4 keepers. Stout is on the website. Seems they’ve chosen Stout over Kranich. Not certain that’s the right choice. I liked Kranich pretty well.

          • mockmook

            Thanks!!!

            I found the answer with the six you referenced:

            http://www.bostonbreakerssoccer.com/NEWS/926712.html

            “The Breakers declined the 2017 contract options on goalkeeper Jami Kranich, defender Rachel Wood, midfielders Katie Schoepfer, Sinead Farrelly, and Ghoutia Karchouni, and forward Eunice Beckmann.”

            Lesson Learned: Always look in the most obvious place first 🙂

          • Breakers fan

            A month or so ago I tried to figure it out in my head. I think I came up with all of them, maybe not Farrelly, just because sadly she was never really with them. The Karchouni pick-up remains one of the dumbest moves I’ve ever seen in the NWSL, though the intentions I guess were in a sense honorable. Not that she is bad, it’s just the circumstances of the move. Who might that 2nd round pick have turned out to be? Until proven otherwise one has to question Beard’s eye for talent with the players he hand-picks out in the world.

  • Reality

    Morgan almost gets her first goal on a knee-in…

    https://twitter.com/coeursdefoot/status/830825451216048129

    • Breakers fan

      I’ll say it for everyone: Error!

    • guest

      Google translates this as “The pole on this resumption of the knee.” Hmm. She hit the post?

      • Reality

        That she did.

        • Breakers fan

          Any posts Morgan may make today, well, she probably figures she’s already made enough. 🙂

          • Reality

            I think it is wise to exercise restraint on twitter posts.:)

  • Reality
    • Breakers fan

      Very good attempt – looks like it had her beat from an almost impossible angle. Very small success window there.

      • rkmid71

        Btw — did you see that a little chipped pass might have been the better option there instead of a near impossible angle shot. Can’t see the whole field, but it looks like ELS (not Ernie) is making run into wide open space in front of goal.

        • Breakers fan

          Do you mean the player way back outside the 18 even after Morgan takes her shot? I don’t think it’s realistic to expect Morgan at that point to be looking that far back. That player, realistically, is out of Morgan’s appropriate field of vision. We see her, from this vantage point, yes, but should Morgan have? No, in my opinion.

          • Breakers fan

            One could say: she should have known the shot was very hard and held the ball up. Ok, let’s say she does that. If she does then the Juvisy defense hurries back on that French player I think you’re referring to. The fact that Morgan missed a goal by about 5 inches shows that taking a shot wasn’t a bad idea.

            edit:Plus, if she holds it up who knows if she even gets the ball cleanly by the French defender who is on her.

          • rkmid71

            She should not hold the ball up — that would have been 3rd best choice. The player was right at top of 18 when Morgan shoots. Morgan’s field of vision would see the empty space in front of goal. And you’re right it’s ELS’s job to be communicating (loudly) for the pass. I’m ok with the shot though. Morgan will be fine at OL.

          • Breakers fan

            Right, she would see empty space and no teammate. As you know once you decide to shoot you need to focus. I don’t think ELS even was aware of that oncoming teammate, do you? Look at their relation to each other at the 6 second mark.

            Pause the play when Morgan goes into her shooting motion, at the 6 second mark. At that point it’s too late to do anything else. At that point the 3rd OL player is a good 5 yards outside the 18, really not even remotely in the picture from Morgan’s and ELS’s fields of vision, as I see it. If ELS is that player closest to Morgan – the blond hair makes me think she is.

          • rkmid71

            Yes. Two less than ideal options. Shoot a low % shot from a tough angle. Or pass into an open space in front of goal that you’re not sure a teammate is running into…unless they’re yelling loudly. I was referring to the 3rd player at top of box (I thought it was ELS, but whoever). I’m ok with the shot though. I said “might”.

          • Breakers fan

            Yes, I did note your “possibly”, “maybe”, “on the fence” position at the outset and I appreciated that. For me it’s the right play – her shot showed that it was make-able. Would have had to have been almost perfect but goals are the peak object of the sport – when you have a legitimate chance at one you take it. I think about 5 more inches to the right and that caroms in off the post.

          • Steglitz49

            She has to decide in a fraction of a second and, as you type, she almost pulled it off.

        • kernel_thai

          Morgan is pressing a bit to open that account. While it’s a super goal if she makes it, it isn’t the kind of shot u take with a three goal lead. She hit two posts and had an open look deflected by the keepers heel who was diving the other way.

          • Breakers fan

            Too much intellection for my my liking. She’s a forward, she needs to practice shots like that in games. It *almost* scored. They blow teams out 39 to negative 1, a three goal lead is nothing in comparison. Just my opinion of course.

          • kernel_thai

            Ack. If u put her out there on an empty pitch she probably can’t make that shot one out of five. IMO she would have been better served trying to find a runners head which is something else she needs to practice.

          • Breakers fan

            Return ack. Even if one of 5 it’s one that should be practiced, in my opinion. No one else was around who was realistic. If she tries to reach that covered nearby runner it’s a soft delicate chip that has far less chance of success. If she makes that shot in a big game it could mean the difference between winning and losing. We disagree on this, clearly.

          • Bruce

            I’m trying to keep an open mind about her play, but I keep seeing the same thing over and over: a turn with her left foot and a heavy touch toward the end line that closes out her angle on goal.

            If she can’t turn the corner on defenders with that move anymore, what else is left?

          • Breakers fan

            Morgan’s been quite successful during her career. I’m not panicking. Let’s just see what happens. I don’t predict the future in macro ways like that, especially go to doom for someone who has pretty much always succeeded, to varying levels. One player. She generally receives a laser focus from fans. I find it slightly odd.

          • rkmid71

            I don’t think it’s odd. If you aspire to be one of the greats, you have to put yourself out there, risk failure, which is what Morgan is doing. I doubt she would want it any other way.

          • DNG

            I’m interested in seeing if Morgan would go back if she does fail in this first stint. This is assuming Lyon still wants her next year too.

          • Breakers fan

            “Fail”. Will it really be as stark, dramatic and definitive as that? Who’s judging and what’s the criteria? Her real ultimate focus is in the U.S. after all. And she may not want to go back even if some team in Europe wants her.

          • guest

            if alex morgan is not a consistent starter or first sub for the kind of money she is making that would seem to rate as a failure at least from lyon’s perspective.

          • Breakers fan

            even if that happens, who really cares? Not me. Not much. After all the coach picks who starts, who the first sub is. To me the important thing is that she be there, play with those players day in and day out, work on what she thinks she needs to work on, and all of that we won’t see. For me her few months in France are not per se a referendum on how many goals she scores.

          • DNG

            Maybe fail is the wrong word. How about, I don’t think she’ll be as successful as she would hope. I don’t think it’s black and white.

          • Breakers fan

            In terms of what? Goals scored? Or how much she improves in the things she went there to work on? I for one have a hard time believing that the practices and the players there will so radically different than what she would do and face here that one can expect any player to change dramatically in 4, 5 months time. Yes, they will be different *to some extent* and that’s why she went, but the process, the change, such as it is and will be will be incremental and these first 4, 5 months will be just the first in the next maybe 48 months of her career in which she’ll continue to work on her game. One has to think every player, not just Morgan, is striving to improve her game as we write.

          • DNG

            I was talking about the things she wants to improve on but I’m sure she won’t be happy if she feels like she isn’t producing enough for her team. As a forward how could she feel any different. I think you can learn a lot in 4-5 months about some of the things she’s looking to learn(off ball movement to create space as oppose to moves solely towards goal). Touch and better passing acuity in tight spaces will take longer. I’m sure every player has things they were told to try and work on.

          • Bruce

            From a perception of personal success and failure, I’m guessing she is pretty much in a no-win situation – regardless if that’s “fair” or not. It’s just a function of the opportunity she has chosen to pursue.

            If the team GPG average (was ~6) goes down while she get major minutes at CF, many will consider her a failure for negatively affecting the team dynamic.

            If she score fewer goals than the other forwards in rotation (whose games are more compatible to OL’s style), many will consider her a failure for being second rate.

            If she scores fewer goals than any midfielder or even defender on the squad – which is possible – she’ll be considered a failure for not carrying the load.

            If she scores one goal every two games (~1/12th of team output), many will consider her a failure for not doing “her one job”.

            If she ends up on the bench in important matches – which is a real possibility – many will consider her a failure, period.

            The perception that Precheur is thinking about leaving the job in protest (in part) to her signing makes this even worse.

            Morgan’s only real path to public perception being that she “succeeded” at OL is that both the she and the club score goals in bunches. Hopeful for her, but not irrationally optimistic.

          • guest

            if lyon get knocked out of the champions league in the quarterfinals and alex morgan starts there will be unavoidable criticism

          • rkmid71

            Just like what happened when Rapinoe was with OL.

          • guest

            and then she went on to be instrumental to the WC win and one of the MVPs (IMO). Club /= country. Every team is different.

          • Breakers fan

            Excited for U Conn tomorrow night? I am. Gonna be a tough game, I feel.

          • rkmid71

            Yep. Dawn Staley a helluva coach and SC has good size inside. To have a chance I feel they’re going to have to slow the game down, avoid turnovers, get into a more half court game. If both teams play great though, UConn wins. Btw — I was watching UNC vs. Duke the other night. On broadcast, they were talking about UConn women and game vs. SC. Jay Bilas said “Gabby Williams is the most complete player in the country, male or female.” Just loved that comment.

          • Breakers fan

            Wow, that is quite the compliment! I haven’t seen U Conn enough this year to comment but clearly it says a ton about her. I pulled up her stats from last year because I didn’t remember how much time she got and I saw that she averaged 18 minutes per game, 9 points (that’d be 20 pts in a full game) and 5.5 rebounds (11 in a game). She won 6th Player of the Year for her conference, so still very good in her limited role last season. Only a Junior – happy for her that she’ll get 2 full years of starting.

          • rkmid71

            That’s why Coach Auriemma didn’t know what to expect this season and everyone thought this would be an off season. He knew Williams was good … just not that good. She just hadn’t gotten the opportunity before. Napheesa Collier also is amazing .. her field goal % is 67.5. She had a fantastic game the last one I watched. And Samuelson is leading scorer and shooting 43.2% from 3pt line. Really their whole starting lineup is great. And off the bench I’m a fan of freshman Crystal Dangerfield (though she seems to be in coach’s doghouse at moment). The bench players looked really good the last game. They might not have as deep a bench this year though.

          • Breakers fan

            Thanks for that. Will look for Collier and Samuelson too. I had seen Crystal Dangerfield in the McDonald’s High School All-American game last year. Coming after Mariah Jefferson is a tough act to follow. Is Dangerfield no longer starting? If so, who’s running the point?

          • rkmid71

            Kia Nurse. The offense is so fluid and so much movement and great spacing. They can all handle the ball. It seems like a lot of interchanging. Dangerfield can get a little sloppy/careless with the ball and her decision making not yet as refined. But she’s a freshman. Some of her no look passes are awesome though. They attack quickly off missed shots, steals, transitions are very fast. A bench player, Molly Bent, had 5 assists in 9 minutes last game. Their defense is key to creating easy offense. I’m sure SC wants to force them to shoot contested 3s all night. And SC has good rebounders.

          • Breakers fan

            I recall Nurse from last year. Pretty intimidating – a 6’0″ point guard for U Conn. I’m really excited for the game.
            Bent I see is also a Freshman. If she and Dangerfield are both pure point guards either they spell each other pretty evenly over the next 3 years (though I see Nurse is only a Junior) or more likely one of the two will get the lion’s share of the minutes.

          • mockmook

            Hey! Hey! Hey!

            Does this look like a Basketball forum to you?

            Jeez!!!

            😉

          • Breakers fan

            I’m recruiting goalies, take it easy!

          • Steglitz49

            Hear hear! You took the words right out of my mouth.

          • Steglitz49

            “A 6’0″ point guard” and yet commentators on the EQ defend using 5’9″ or even shorter goalies. Bizarre. Failure to face reality.

          • Breakers fan

            Oh, forgot to add that shot 63.6% last season. 🙂

          • Steglitz49

            Pinoe was not a success for Lyon.

          • Breakers fan

            How much stock or care do you guys put in fans’ opinions? I mean, do you really care what everyone thinks? Make up your own mind. And even if you come down on the negative side it doesn’t matter, really. She’ll come back here and keep playing.

          • Bruce

            She’s a professional public persona – which is how she makes her money and why she gets so much attention everywhere – even here.

            The opinion of fans and the public at large defines her options and career choices at this point.

            What you or I think of her has no effect whatsoever on the original question (would she return to Lyon next season). Public perception is *everything* when it comes to that decision.

          • Breakers fan

            Public opinion I hope doesn’t enter in our coaches’ decisions about how they use her. About endorsements, sure, but I doubt endorsers are biting their nails over her performance in OL games. And my guess is that Morgan only wants to play in Lyon for one year. Even if they don’t want her I bet another overseas team would, provided she doesn’t just want to stay stateside which I think is the most likely outcome anyway.

          • Steglitz49

            Surely — “Morgan’s only real path to public perception being that she “succeeded” at OL is that” Lyon retains the Champions League. To do that they have first to get past Wolfsburg and then win their SF and the Final.

            Knowing Alex, she will make critical contributions to Lyon in key matches.

          • guest

            that’s true. alex morgan did say she wants to win the fifa player of the year.

          • Breakers fan

            I guess what I find odd is the degree to which she receives negativity here at least. I’m not saying her game can’t improve, I’,m just saying that for someone who has done as well as she has for our country she receives a lot of hate and criticism, or so it seems to me. I’d say it’s way more than the praise she gets. Probably 5 to 1 ratio. That I find a bit odd, but I know why it is – it’s mostly Press fans who want her in and somehow feel it’s Morgan not Ellis making that happen. Re-iterate: her game can improve but she may never be a Marta.

          • Guest

            She has done tremendous things for women’s soccer. I think the team is as popular as it is today in part because of her accomplishments and mass appeal. She gets more criticism because she gets the bulk of the minutes and until recently was the solidified starter for what seemed like political or money reasons. I think that is changing though since she has recently been benched in favor of press.

          • Breakers fan

            But you should really only get a lot of criticism if you’re not producing. She has, though not always, but find me a player in the world at her age who has “always produced”. Maybe Marta,. The notion that she started for political or money reasons is debatable though that may have had a small influence. As we know, it’d be quite easy to play both of ’em.

          • guest

            The funny thing is that she is probably now the ‘victim’ of the team’s popularity, which she was the biggest factor in elevating. They don’t need her starting to sell tickets anymore. She knows that and she is trying to improve her game. Which is a good thing, because obviously the starting positions should be merit based.

          • #1Fan

            Produce is a nebulous term. My expectation are that the starting ST on the US NT should score a lot of goals, so I discount that to a degree.

          • Breakers fan

            I think what it comes down to is that followers of soccer end up divided into 2 camps. There is a fork in the road for “the knowledgeable fan”. Some go one way – that of being a fan of the team first and foremost. A supporter where love for the team and players trumps all. Not that they don’t see imperfections but they’re not put first and foremost, they’re more forgiven, tolerated. For others, it’s primarily about pure soccer, skill analysis, the pursuit of perfection for every player and those concerns are uppermost in their minds. They get beyond patriotism, love of one’s country’s team and hone in on identifying what each player could do better. No right or wrong in either choice, just trying to understand what I see as a fundamental difference in fans.

          • #1Fan

            Fair. I just think that we live in the US. we see US players. We see the success the US have had. We evaluate US players. AM is discussed to death. very effective player who has scored some big Intl goals.

            its very hard to asses how “good” US players are becasue they are almost always on the better team in every Intl. game.

            it is interesting to see them now in other leagues. I feel we will get a much better picture of them because of it.

          • Breakers fan

            I won’t repeat what I’ve said to DNG on this topic in the last hour.

            Can I ask you to say what your starting 11 would be for the USWNT if you were in charge? There is no wrong answer.

            I probably don’t need to point out that if the US is almost always the better team in int’l games it follows that they’re pretty good. But everyone’s definition of “good” differs. Everyone has different standards. One standard would be to compare every player to some vision of the perfect player, someone who has “all attributes – all skills, outstanding soccer IQ, poise, the highest level of athleticism and speed all operating perfectly, continuously, without end.” If we use that, and we want to get our views out into the world our fingers are going to be busy on the keyboard. I think it’s important to know how hard the sport is. There is an opponent involved. A common thing said is that baseball fans are thrilled when a hitter on their team fails only 7 times out of 10. However, I do agree with the mindset, that I think you have, that a player should always strive to get better. Some coaches, some parents hardly ever praise a player because they don’t want him/her to get complacent, to get a big head. That may be wise. It could be that sort of thinking is how some people approach message board posting: good play is expected, it’s the bad play that needs to be pointed out. That’s allowed. I think it should be pointed out that that is what one is doing but it’s a legitimate approach.

          • #1Fan

            Or that International WoSo is pretty weak and that no other country has a parent funded pipeline of players based on T9 and the prospects of cheaper education.

            For all the advantages we have, it is amazing that we dont produce far more exceptional players AND that our youth teams are not perennial finalists in every World Cup.

            That being said I am not debating AMs effectiveness. She is effective. I would like to see other forwards given chances to see what thy can do. AM is a known at this stage.

          • Breakers fan

            About your first 2 paragraphs I would say “but… and this is a big but ..in fact you brought it up originally and I agreed with you. By going full-bore into soccer a young woman in America is going against our culture. I know females playing soccer here is accepted but…I don’t need to elaborate, you know what I mean. I think this needs to be kept firmly in mind as a young person comes up against it very often. That may explain why we “don’t produce far more exceptional players.” You’re in the midst of this world, you can see far better than I how what happens happens. It should be you tellling me and you have spoken a lot about it and I’ve learned a lot from you. I see it prirmarily as a resource issue and a cultural one I would say. Also depends on what your standards for “exceptional” are. How good you want and expect players to be.
            I hope you can take this in a spirit of fun and humor: I do find it amusing how you and DNG refuse to say Morgan is good. Other words are always sought out: “effective”, “successful”, “productive”. But I guess for you guys it’s accurate, You do not think she is a good soccer player, by your definitions. You’re totally entitled to that view. I don’t share it but I respect your right to.

          • DNG

            I think Morgan and all of the US players are good which is why I don’t really use the word to distinguish or as a descriptor. How good is relative though and as you point out subject to my opinion an biases

          • #1Fan

            I echo the above. I will add that the attention she receives is disproportionate to her play ( in my opinion)

          • rkmid71

            Same was true of Wambach and now Lloyd (POTY?).

            Entitlement mentality is a state of mind in which an individual comes to believe that privileges are instead rights and that they are to be expected as a matter of course.

            It’s the worst disease a human being can catch. It’s a disease that rips the soul out of a person yet leaves the heart still beating. It leaves people alive physically but broken mentally. It leaves weakness instead of strength. It leaves dependent individuals instead of independent ones.

            Adversity is the vaccine.

          • #1Fan

            Its not resources as such. Its more that excellence is not the goal from the start. in most, if not all other countries. Early interest and ability leads to the best coaching. In the US , $$ does. And even then, the coaching may not be great. Next level becomes professional coaching, but to get to that level you have to be pretty good. and then its free. There is not 5 k per year pay as you go option that you can keep buying in to. This early selection has its flaws, but ti does narrow down the population pretty quickly to fully committed players with talent.

            There are youth clubs and fun leagues you can play in, but they are not expensive and they are recreational only.

            The USA has a culture that is designed to produce College players and thats fine. Its why a Horan left.

          • guest

            nobody get’s more critical posts here than christen press. but then again, most are coming from one person.

          • Breakers fan

            Correct on the last part. It’s to be expected, though – wild criticism. Emotion and favorites are a big part of being a fan – they color what people write and I’m sure that applies to me too, as much as I try to fight against it.

          • anon

            I disagree… Morgan and Lloyd get far more critical posts. There is an annoying ongoing narrative that Press has been the victim of (formerly) Wambach, Morgan, Lloyd and Ellis.

          • guest

            true. assuming you block that HOFtoDie guy

          • rkmid71

            I don’t think the laser focus and critique has anything to with Press fans wanting to promote her at Morgan’s expense. Every player has strengths and weaknesses. Morgan has scored a lot of critical goals. She has nothing to prove in that sense. But she’s aspiring to something more, so that invites the extra scrutiny. No player is perfect, not even Messi. He gets lots of heat for not coming through for Argentina in the clutch. He even quit the NT. But people/fans then said whoa that’s not what we want. I think it’s fair to say Press has not yet seized the opportunities she’s been given — though she’s been good enough to be on the team. Time is running out for both Morgan and Press (Mia Hamm retired at 32). The USA has many capable players in the wings.

          • Breakers fan

            I disagree, at least on this message board, with the first part of your post but I very much like the rest. I would add in Press’s defense that I think she’s done well – her goals per minute, largely from a non-forward position are I believe about exactly the same as Morgan’s. That said, it’s true that though the opportunities have been few she has not come through in some really big moments. Yet.

          • DNG

            It doesn’t matter at all to me who start at forward as long as it’s merit based. Right now I think Press is the better overall forward compared to Morgan but it looks like they will both start in Ellis’ 3 back formation.

          • Breakers fan

            Are you glad they’ll both start? What would your ideal lineup be?

          • DNG

            Not sure yet. I’d prefer more of a 3-5-2 with 2 CMs and a pivot. I’d like to try Horan up top and I think Jordan should have gotten at least a camp invite too. I need to see how Morgan and Press play together and with others to know and Lloyd really needs to be a bench player or not in the team.

          • Breakers fan

            Until there’s any indication of them moving Horan forward for your own peace of mind you may want to just get that idea out of your head. Trust me, I’ve had to do it with my favorites. It’s hard but we’re certainly not calling any shots.

          • mockmook

            You asked him/her what their “ideal” was — then you mock their answer. Chutzpah 🙂

          • Breakers fan

            Not a mocking! Seriously, it wasn’t It was acknowledgement then practical advice from the repository of experience, sir. See: Me and K, Mewii, among others.

          • Steglitz49

            Mewis, please. Her name ends in an “s”.

          • HOFCToDi

            The last time Christen Press scored a meaningful goal for the USWNT was June 8, 2015. Subsequent to the 2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup, the rest have been against tomato cans and/or in garbage time.

          • Breakers fan

            You’re putting her to test, holding her up to the fire, that’s for sure. Just please make sure you give the same praise if she turns the tables.

          • HOFCToDi

            Calendar Year 2014
            FIFA Top 10 Ranked Opponents
            USWNT Goals Scored
            Christen Press – 0

            History does repeat itself.

            Calendar Year 2016
            FIFA Top 10 Ranked Opponents
            USWNT Goals Scored
            Christen Press – 0

            Tomato cans and garbage time.

          • Breakers fan

            I’ve seen your postings. Talking about the future. Do you agree to praise her if she scores in big games?

          • HOFCToDi

            The last time Christen Press has scored an important goal for the USWNT, Sydney Leroux spoon fed her.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YfouCE8-54

            Where is the praise for Sydney Leroux?

            ussoccer.com/womens-national-team/tournaments/2015-fifa-womens-world-cup/150608-wntvaus#tab-1

          • Breakers fan

            I’ve praised Leroux for that play. I don’t need “the argument” if you know what I mean, I know how you feel.

          • HOFCToDi

            The “Press Gang Troll Brigade” has engaged in a systemic vilification of any player on the USWNT that competes for a roster spot vis-à-vis Christen Press since the conclusion of the 2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup.

          • Steglitz49

            They started it in 2013 if not before.

          • rkmid71

            It seems like I’m one of the few holdout Leroux fans. She was playing great pre WC until the foot injury in practice. I had her penciled in as starter. So unlucky. Clearly a serious injury that she gutted out during WC – but she wasn’t like pre injury. But again an example of less than 100% fit player on roster. We got by in WC, not in OG.

          • HOFCToDi

            27 months is a long time in the world of sports, especially to ink a 23 player FIFA Women’s World Cup roster.

          • rkmid71

            That’s a bridge too far. Let’s start with simply recording and acknowledging the goals versus top 10 in 2017, if and when they happen. The next big games are in 2019. And any game against Canada. And now Sweden.

          • HOFCToDi

            Don’t hold your breath. Christen Press has never scored a goal against the following opponents:
            BRA, CAN, ENG, GER, JPN, SWE
            The opponents that either reached the semifinals of the 2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup or the 2016 Rio OIympics.
            Four years and counting …………………………………….

          • Breakers fan

            What would be awesome is if somehow you in fact have zero emotion, personal antipathy towards Press and if she goes on to score in big games you’ll become one of her biggest supporters.

          • HOFCToDi

            Don’t hold your breath.

          • HOFCToDi

            SWE ………………………………………………………………………….

            Alex Morgan is the only individual in the entire USWNT player pool that has scored a goal against Sweden in the last four years.

            ussoccer.com/stories/2016/08/12/19/37/160812-wnt-falls-to-sweden-4-3-in-penalty-shootout-after-1-1-draw-in-2016-olympic-quarterfinals

            ussoccer.com/womens-national-team/tournaments/2015-fifa-womens-world-cup/150612-wntvswe#tab-1

            ussoccer.com/womens-national-team/tournaments/2014-algarve-cup/140307-wnt-v-swe#tab-1

            ussoccer.com/stories/2014/03/17/13/10/wnt-wins-group-b-at-2013-algarve-cup-to-advance-to-final

            By the way, Christen Press is not on the list.

          • HOFCToDi

            Christen Press
            2016 Summer Olympic Games
            Goals – 0, Assists – 0

            Christen Press
            2016 SheBelieves Cup
            Goals – 0, Assists – 0

            Christen Press
            2016 CONCACAF Women’s Olympic Qualifying
            Knockout Stage
            Goals – 0, Assists – 0

          • HOFCToDi

            JPN ………………………………………………………………………….

            Christen Press
            International Women’s Friendly
            5 Jun 2016
            USA 2 JPN 0
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots 2, Shots on Goal 1

            foxsports.com/soccer/boxscore?id=26862

            Christen Press
            International Women’s Friendly
            2 Jun 2016
            USA 3 JPN 3
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots 2, Shots on Goal 0

            foxsports.com/soccer/boxscore?id=26754

            The “Press Gang Troll Brigade” can’t even blame Carli Lloyd for CP23’s ineptitude.

          • HOFCToDi

            Christen Press had her opportunity in calendar year 2016 and blew it:

            Wambach – retirement
            Rodriguez – maternity leave
            Leroux – maternity leave

            Toss in Lynn Williams for calendar year 2017 and whoever else that may come along between now and June 2019, Christen Press just might ride the pine once again at the next FIFA Women’s World Cup.

          • Steglitz49

            Press failed in Brasilia and she failed in the NWSL semi-final. Lightning does not usually strike twice in the same place.

          • guest

            Unless there is a combo of a drastic CBA change, they get injured, or never score another NT goal again Morgan and Press will be on the 2019 WC roster. I find it surprising that Ellis hasn’t called up a promising young scorer like Jordan.

          • Breakers fan

            Absolutely, about Jordan. I feel there’s some backstory there that we’re not privy to. Maybe not, they may just not rate her highly but to ignore what she’s done to date is insanity, in my view.

          • Guest

            It could just be that there isn’t enough leeway with the CBA and the number of players they can call into camp. Leroux and ARod are (unfortunately IMO) guaranteed another year of call ups. McDonald IMO was a wasted forward spot in the last camp. Clearly a practice player. Would have liked to see Jordan in her spot. Morgan and Press are known quantities at this point – why not give young players a shot against teams like Romania?

          • EllisSux

            The odd thing is that Press isn’t even a known quantity at this point though because she spends most major tournaments on the bench. Her performance against Romania may have even FINALLY earned her the starting job at SBC and she is 28 years old. Agree on the dearth of young players, though. It takes so long to move through the USSoccer system to the point where a 25 year old is considered a young player. Where is our Ada?

          • rkmid71

            We’ve probably had several Ada’s retire by now. When you have players 35-40 years old still playing, it creates a massive logjam. And there’s no open competition, the existing players create legal barriers restricting the coach, etc. There’s just not that many roster spots on the WNT. Now they’re bringing in HS players and 16 yr olds. Maybe so it brings the avg age of the team into a more reasonable range.

          • guest

            I think we are just bypassing proven players for questionable YNT teens at this point. USSoccer doesn’t have to pay them and they can pretend that the development system is working. Win win for everyone!

          • Steglitz49

            Press is a well known quantity since last August and September.

          • JL

            Ellis did try to call up Jordan last year. Jordan turned it down.

          • rkmid71

            I recall she was in middle of critical stage of college season. Jordan was captain of her team.

          • JL

            I know. I’m just pointing out that there isn’t any conspiracy against her, she just said no to call ups before.

          • rkmid71

            I can’t think of a better reason to politely decline.

          • Breakers fan

            Not to nitpick but I think it’s just a singular call-up she has declined.

          • Breakers fan

            Needs to be pointed out, I agree, so thank you. But if Ellis holds loyalty to one’s team as a Senior captain to that extent where Jordan’s not even invited to a U23 camp later then I lose a ton of respect for Ellis.

          • rkmid71

            Agree about Jordan and likelihood of Morgan and Press on WC roster. Something intangible about Jordan. I’m also surprised JE hasn’t given her a long look, capped her, etc. This might be way off, but I compare her to Adrian Dantley in the NBA. Dantley did not seem physically special … he was 6’5″, but didn’t have a big vertical leap like Michael Jordan, couldn’t overpower anybody, wasn’t that quick. Yet that guy had a knack for scoring. He was on the Notre Dame team that ended UCLA’s 88 game winning streak. He’s an NBA Hall of Famer.

          • Breakers fan

            Love that comparison. I saw that ND vs UCLA game happen, on tv. Dantley was great. In the rebounding part of the game a good comparison would be Barkley. Some may say Rodman, though he had more size and vertical leap than Charles.

          • Steglitz49

            Not sure about Press after Aug-Sep 2016.

          • Steglitz49

            Sadly, that is exactly how the Pressgang started — promoting their favorite at Alex’s expense. Well. The 2nd half of 2016 proved them wrong. Their Arch-wizard is keeping a low profile.

            Lyon knows that when the chips are down, Alex delivers. They may well use her a a supersub in critical matches. She will never be known as the “babyfaced assassin” but no doubt she can live without that.

          • Reality

            One could make an equally valid argument that it is Morgan fans who consider Press an interloper and constantly diminish her. My own opinion has always been that Morgan and Press are the two premiere forwards on the NT and should be paired up as much as possible. Unfortunately, for a variety of reasons which I have thoroughly exposited upon, that has never been given a fair chance.

          • Breakers fan

            True of HOFC but not sure if there are others. If there are you definitely could be right – good point. Hard to know people’s motives unless they admit them.

          • Reality

            “…but not sure if there are others.” One is crudely obvious as you say. But I think you need to read more carefully.

          • Breakers fan

            You’re certainly more attuned to Press bashing than I am, so maybe it’s true. We’d probably need God to figure all of this out: in terms of comparative injustice received, amount of disingenuous, dishonest posting made.

          • Reality

            I think we can utilize our acquired skills and familiarity with the various commentators to discern agendas that are evident in the nature of their comments.

          • Breakers fan

            Criticism and hate is a more de rigueur look on-line.

          • Reality

            There are trolls that haunt on-line. The key is not to enable them through attention but rather to ignore and block them.

          • HOFCToDi

            The “Press Gang Troll Brigade” can’t handle the FACTS!

            Christen Press
            2016 Summer Olympic Games
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 6, Shots on Goal 1
            Penalty Kicks Attempted 1, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

            Christen Press
            2016 Rio Olympics
            12 Aug 2016
            USA 1 SWE 1
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 2, Shots on Goal 0
            Penalty Kicks Attempted 1, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

            Christen Press
            2016 Rio Olympics
            09 Aug 2016
            USA 2 COL 2
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 4, Shots on Goal 1
            Penalty Kicks Attempted 0, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

            Christen Press is the quintessential international FRAUD.

            4 years (2013, 2014, 2015, 2016)
            78 caps
            2 head coaches

            Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

            garbage time
            prima donna
            selfish shot hog
            tomato cans

          • Breakers fan

            Are you………….able…………….to not do this?
            Do you feel someone here …………hasn’t………….seen these posts yet?

            I do wonder however if the tomato cans are chopped, puree or whole?

          • HOFCToDi

            FIFA does not dole out World Cup Trophies for beating up on tomato cans at meaningless international friendlies.

            en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_Women%27s_World_Rankings#Importance_of_the_match

          • HOFCToDi

            The “Press Gang Troll Brigade” can’t handle the FACTS!

            Christen Press
            International Women’s Friendly
            18 Sep 2016
            USA 3 NED 1
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 2, Shots on Goal 0

            foxsports.com/soccer/boxscore?id=32516

            Christen Press
            2016 Rio Olympics
            12 Aug 2016
            USA 1 SWE 1
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 2, Shots on Goal 0

            Christen Press
            2016 Rio Olympics
            09 Aug 2016
            USA 2 COL 2
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 4, Shots on Goal 1

            Christen Press
            International Women’s Friendly
            9 Jul 2016
            USA 1 RSA 0
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 2, Shots on Goal 0

            foxsports.com/soccer/boxscore?id=26928

            Christen Press
            International Women’s Friendly
            5 Jun 2016
            USA 2 JPN 0
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 2, Shots on Goal 1

            foxsports.com/soccer/boxscore?id=26862

            Christen Press
            International Women’s Friendly
            2 Jun 2016
            USA 3 JPN 3
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 2, Shots on Goal 0

            foxsports.com/soccer/boxscore?id=26754

            Christen Press is the quintessential international fraud.

            4 years (2013, 2014, 2015, 2016)
            78 caps
            2 head coaches

            Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

            garbage time
            prima donna
            selfish shot hog
            tomato cans

          • mockmook

            Uh oh. If God starts perusing these comments, I’m in big trouble…

          • Breakers fan

            It’s one phone call away from happening, buddy, be careful.

          • Steglitz49

            No doubt the CIA and KGB already are.

          • HOFCToDi

            God knows the stupidity of certain posters, especially those moronic posters with claims of “half-hearted efforts to make a transition to the future”.

            Eight midfielders under the age of 25:

            Dunn (DOB 23 Jul 1992)
            Killion (DOB 27 Jul 1992)
            Mewis (DOB 09 Oct 1992)
            Brian (DOB 26 Feb 1993)
            Horan (DOB 26 May 1994)
            Lavelle (DOB 14 May 1995)
            Sullivan (DOB 20 Dec 1995)
            Pugh (DOB 29 Apr 1998)

            I’m not even counting Pinto into the discussion.

          • Steglitz49

            The Pressgang started it but their Chief Wizard is wisely keeping a low profile.

          • JL

            They are basically the same type of player. They make the same runs most of the time. It would be redundant to have both on the field at the same time for an extended period of time.

          • Bruce

            Don’t agree. Not at all the same type of player.

          • Steglitz49

            Indeed.

          • guest

            I really don’t think that is true at all. Morgan has a higher work rate and Press is a better finisher.

          • Steglitz49

            Judging by August in Brasilia and September in Maryland, you might want to edit your comment.

          • Breakers fan

            Viva la difference!

          • HOFCToDi

            Viva la difference!

            USWNT Career
            FIFA Top 10 Ranked Opponents
            USWNT Goals Scored
            Morgan (DOB 02 Jul 1989) – 34
            Leroux (DOB 07 May 1990) – 8
            Press (DOB 29 Dec 1988) – 3

            Christen Press is the quintessential international FRAUD.

            4 years (2013, 2014, 2015, 2016)
            78 caps
            2 head coaches

            Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

            garbage time
            prima donna
            selfish shot hog
            tomato cans

          • Steglitz49

            As in, one is married and the other not?

          • ABCDE

            Press has been improving her work rate and her tenacity on the ball. I think she may be peaking now and injuries have taken their toll on Alex. I am a fan of both.

          • HOFCToDi

            Calendar Year 2016
            FIFA Top 10 Ranked Opponents
            USWNT Goals Scored
            Morgan (DOB 02 Jul 1989) – 6
            Horan (DOB 26 May 1994) – 2
            Dunn (DOB 03 Jul 1992) – 1
            Heath (DOB 29 May 1988) – 1
            Johnston (DOB 06 Apr 1992) – 1
            Lloyd (DOB 16 Jul 1982) – 1
            Mewis (DOB 09 Oct 1992) – 1

            By the way, Christen Press is not on the list.

            ussoccer.com/womens-national-team/lineups

            Christen Press is the quintessential international FRAUD.

            4 years (2013, 2014, 2015, 2016)
            78 caps
            2 head coaches

            Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

            garbage time
            prima donna
            selfish shot hog
            tomato cans

          • HOFCToDi

            Completely clueless, as usual.

            USWNT Career
            FIFA Top 10 Ranked Opponents
            USWNT Goals Scored
            Morgan (DOB 02 Jul 1989) – 34
            Leroux (DOB 07 May 1990) – 8
            Press (DOB 29 Dec 1988) – 3

            Christen Press is the quintessential international FRAUD.

            4 years (2013, 2014, 2015, 2016)
            78 caps
            2 head coaches

            Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

            garbage time
            prima donna
            selfish shot hog
            tomato cans

          • Reality

            I suggest you think about that a bit more.

          • Steglitz49

            For once I agree with Reality: they are not the same type of player.

          • DNG

            Press can run channels and stretch the field too but she’s a different type of forward than Morgan.

          • sudeep das

            What about Lloyd – nobody can stand her it seems?

          • rkmid71

            What’s your opinion?

          • Breakers fan

            Much more so than Morgan, I agree.

          • DNG

            Guilty. My issue is really with Ellis’ selection though

          • Breakers fan

            I’m guilty to some extent too.

          • #1Fan

            Because she receives a lot of adulation for things that have nothing to do with being great at the game. She is a good, effective player, but has achieved iconic status and treatment off the field.

          • Breakers fan

            My reaction: Careful throwing around the word “iconic”. It would be really interesting to put a picture of Alex Morgan in front of every and I mean every American aged, say 12-70 and see what % of them could identify her. What do you think the number would be? To me an icon would hit about 75%-90%. Would Morgan even hit 1 out of 4? 1 out of 10?
            For me the whole “begrudging of success” phenomenon is sometimes hard to understand, because no doubt were we in her shoes we would act the same way, I think. Correct me if I’m wrong. Maybe not 100% the same, but probably at least 80% the same, don’t you think? And by “act the same” I’m referring largely to accepting endorsements.

          • DNG

            Relative to the world of WoSo I think the world iconic applies. There is no other player in the sport with her clout.

          • Breakers fan

            A very small world but I would agree with you. How would you define the word “clout” here?

          • DNG

            influence

          • Breakers fan

            What does she influence?

          • DNG

            The fans and the federation.

          • Breakers fan

            If she’s doing that she’s doing it passively not actively. They are choosing to be “influenced” by her. “influencing a fan” is kind of an odd concept, as if some subtle, insidious mind-control techniques are at work from her or “her people”.

          • DNG

            I wasn’t implying that it wasn’t passively or with any malicious intent.

          • Breakers fan

            I would just say that “influence” is the wrong word to use in the relationship of Morgan TO fans. Fans tend to like her by their own choosing. Morgan plays soccer and accepts some endorsements as 99.9% of people would also do. Fans choose to do whatever they want based on watching games and looking at the players on the team. Gulati, Ellis influence what you’re referring to. If the argument is “Morgan’s endorsements influence the decision of Eliis because it behooves her to play her because she’s in the limelight and fans want to see her” then there may be some small amount of truth to that but way above that is Ellis’s desire to win because that is how she keeps her job, so I think her first thought is “how do I keep my job? who should I play the most to do that?” Recent history says one of the 11 should be Alex Morgan. I agree with that. 10 more spots, Or 1 or 2 more spots when we narrow it down to the forward position.

          • DNG

            Morgan will get every chance she wants to succeed while the vast majority of women won’t get one. That is my biggest issue with the whole situation. As far as the best team is concerned I am not as convinced as you are that Morgan should be in the XI. Lynn Williams does many of the same things and some others while also being faster and younger. She’s relatively untested in big matches but might already be a better overall player with a similar skill set.

          • Breakers fan

            You’re certainly completely entitled to your viewpoints about the team and its personnel. As always my request to you and anyone else and myself is to please just apply the same standards and level of notice and criticism to everyone.

          • DNG

            By influencing fans I meant it in more of a marketing way. She’s by far the most marketed player in the sport. She was almost single handedly used to grow the popularity of the USWNT.

          • Breakers fan

            My reaction to that is a big “thank you!” to her, for helping grow the sport in such a big way. Consider if she hadn’t existed. Where would we, the sport, the NWSL be now? Maybe non-existent.

          • DNG

            She deserves a big thank you and probably those chances I alluded to below but I also think it’s time for the team to move forward.

          • Breakers fan

            I’ll cut to the chase: this has been discussed a lot here for years now. She probably does gain more allowance in terms of playing time and no doubt that is frustrating for fans of (Press) who feel that Morgan is taking away her time on the field. I can see how that frustration would get transferred from Ellis to Morgan. I may feel the same if I had a strong preference for Press over Morgan. I like ’em both a lot and so it is frustrating for me too but I also know that all Ellis has to do is play both of them and I’ve advocated for that for a few years. That said, Morgan gained her “status” by doing really well, and especially in big games, so her playing time was earned. If the roles had been reversed I’m confident the situation would be precisely reversed. Press is coming up against a tough situation that I’ve analyzed as well. I don’t think, for years, that Ellis has particularly liked her, starting with the UCLA-Stanford rivalry. She’s gotten the short end of the stick over and over. I’ve called it “a tragedy” and I believe that. But I don’t take it out on Morgan. Ellis calls the shots, pure an simple.

          • DNG

            I don’t blame Morgan, I blame Ellis for not trying other players than Morgan and Lloyd over the last 2 years. I mean seriously, only on the USWNT does a horror show at CM turn into a position change to second striker. Any other team and Lloyd is benched during the WC and the same goes for Wambach. I am critical of Morgan for the same reason #1Fan is. She’s an iconic player for reasons largely unrelated to soccer performance. That doesn’t mean she’s a bad player as I think she’s certainly had a successful career. I just don’t think she’s as good as many tend to portray her(maybe not on this site with some posters here but the larger WoSo community).

            Unlike Lloyd, Morgan did produce against the top teams last year but she also the only forward that started in all 7 matches playing, I think, close to every minute. I find it difficult to believe that others can’t be successful if given the same opportunity and that’s really all I want to see in the future.

          • Breakers fan

            I too would have handled the lineup differently over the years. One could say Ellis got lucky with how well Lloyd did in the last 2 World Cup games but I give massive credit to Lloyd for how she did do. That was not guaranteed. She stepped up as she often does in pressure situations. At this point I would move on from her, though if we were in her shoes the decision would be decidedly harder than it is for us to make from our computer keyboard. I tend to agree that “others can’t be successful if given the same opportunity” but it also should be said that that is a theory, speculation at this point. I hope Press gets a very good shot going forward. Start her for the next 2 years in every game at forward and play her close to 90 minutes and see what happens would be what I would do if I were the head coach.

          • mockmook

            Can’t afford to play Press every game. This is a small window for experimentation, need to see several options/players.

            Once you have decided (subject to change) who will be your Forwards for 2019, start using them exclusively in 2018 (maybe mid 2018).

            Even then, you need to rotate in some playing time for your presumed (subject to change) Forward subs in 2019.

          • Breakers fan

            I hear you about Press vs. seeing even-more-unknown-at-forward-for-the-USWNT players – but I personally if I were the coach would realize that I really hadn’t played Press at forward all that much and would want to see her more there, but yeah, “every game” may be a bit much. . Dealing just with the present which forwards who are in camp now are you hoping to see play the most at SBC?

          • mockmook

            I’d like to see Press be told, “you are THE starter for these games — we are counting on you to pull us through” and give her (or deduct from her) near-term future playing time based on how she does.

            I’d also like to see more of Williams — I didn’t pay enough attention to her last year, so I want to look at her with “fresh eyes”.

          • Breakers fan

            That would be a nice start. Though I’m sure Morgan never received such an ultimatum. I’m right with you on Williams – didn’t pay enough attention to her last year.

          • Breakers fan

            Or if not Ellis and it’s Gulati too – then fine, it’s not Alex Morgan who is literally in control. A choice can be and is made.

          • #1Fan

            i dont really get your point. Iconic is in the context of her sport, and I am in no way begrudging her anything. Im just explaining why i think she gets the treatment she does. Its a sad reality BUT many female athletes want to be measured on ability alone, but Madison avenue does not really care. Good luck to her

          • kernel_thai

            There was a time when she would have moved it back to her, right improved the angle and re-evaluated what to do next. Now option one and two seem to be set up the left.

          • Breakers fan

            Not saying you’re wrong because you do have a good memory/ knowledge of specific plays but do you remember any particular examples of her doing this – i’d like to see that happen on video. All that slowing down of course would allow more defense to get back. Recall that the ball was inches from going in.

          • sudeep das

            Actually when she looked up during her run that was the time to bend the ball around the goalie because the angle was still good.

          • mockmook

            “intellection”

            Wow, are you sure you can hang out on a soccer forum? 😉

          • Breakers fan

            Hahaha. Guess what? I got a spell-check underline for that word. It may not even exist! 🙂

          • Breakers fan

            May I add:

            Count your blessings, good sir. I almost used “cerebrality”.

    • guest

      classic alex morgan bad angle shot.

      • sudeep das

        She has this tendency to make the angle more acute by taking extra touches towards end line – making it tougher to score. Pugh scored from a similar angle against Costa Rica in a July friendly last year though.

      • guest

        she would rather take a bad angle shot with her left foot than a good angle shot with her right foot.

  • Reality

    Juvisy gets it to 5-2 with great effort by d’Inès Jaurena…

    https://twitter.com/coeursdefoot/status/830827955064545281

    • Breakers fan

      Somehow I find it very enjoyable when teams score on The Giants. Keeps ’em humble.

      • Reality

        I thought this game would have been a bit closer with Juvisy making a good effort this year but it is the French League.

      • Steglitz49

        Tidler teams that beat the big ‘uns are called “giant-killers” in English soccer terminology.

      • rkmid71

        That’s was incredibly brave by that Juvisy player — in a game they’re down 5-1.

        • DNG

          Should have been a penalty and a yellow had the ball been cleared. Dangerous play from the defender.

  • Reality
  • Reality

    Getting back to the topic of this article, Lloyd has received a contract offer from Manchester City…

    http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/thegoalkeeper/Carli-Lloyd-gets-contract-offer-from-Manchester-City-is-likely-to-accept-it.html

    • Breakers fan

      Dash Fans:

      How do you feel about this?
      Do you feel your team will be better or worse without Lloyd?
      Would love to hear your reactions.

      • guest

        houston dash- 2017 nwsl champions

        • Breakers fan

          Due in large part to this announcment or would you have felt the same if she were returning?

      • mockmook

        Ohai certainly seemed to feel that Lloyd was a huge benefit.

        But, I think they will be just fine. They just need to get their defense right.

        • DNG

          They don’t really have another target type player like Lloyd but I agree with you.

          • mockmook

            Supposedly, Prince will be the new Lloyd when they feel like playing that way.

    • Reality
  • Som Termanni

    While Dan and the male woso journo club alternate between botching this story and trolling fans, Caitlin Murray finally reports the size of A+E’s stake in the league: a whopping 25%. http://www.foxsports.com/soccer/story/with-manchester-city-offer-carli-lloyd-may-be-the-latest-uswnt-player-to-go-abroad-021217

    • Bruce

      Madness.

      The league is now effectively joined at the hip with A+E – a company with questionable commitment to woso and no other sports properties.

      • Breakers fan

        Probably too early to even speculate but I’m just trying to think about what issues there could be where A+E would be “the swing vote”. If each team gets 1 vote and there are issues where the votes of the 10 teams are pretty much split I guess A=E would decide the vote, correct? I don’t know how the process works, though, in the NWSL. If there are “votes” on issues. Trying to suss out how this will actually be manifest, if it necessarily is a bad thing. I mean, will they go against the grain, the prevailing thinking on things?

        • Bruce

          I’m not clear on the composition of the NWSL board other than that A+E received two seats with the investment. Anyone know for sure?

          • Som Termanni

            I wish I knew more about it. I know each ownership group has a seat, but beyond that it’s opaque. If the A+E deal simply added two seats to the board, they have twice the representation of any team.

          • Bruce

            US Soccer seems to call all of the shots without much input from owners. Maybe they have a majority of seats?

            No bylaws / charter / etc. I can find on the web.

          • Som Termanni

            Nope–and no board meeting minutes, or even a description of the board. Sounds like a decent job for a woso journalist… at any point in the last four years.

          • guest

            USSF has no ownership nor seats on NWSL board.

            NWSL ownership is the 10 teams plus A+E (2 seats on board)

          • Steglitz49

            25% ought to give them 3 votes rather than 2 votes out of 12. Maybe it is 10+3?

          • guest

            news reports have been consistent re 2 seats on board for A+E

          • rkmid71

            Pro-rata Board seats is the norm. Perhaps they’ve negotiated special minority rights on particular Board decisions.

          • Esk22

            It’s not the norm. Everything is negotiable. Minority shareholders rarely get proportionate representation on a board.

          • rkmid71

            Not in my world. It’s rare not to … especially when you have a “significant” minority stake. Anything between 25-49% is significant. .

          • Steglitz49

            25% is hardly a minority though 10% might be.

          • kernel_thai

            So let’s randomly speculate,,,at a typical NWSL board meeting there r 11 votes to be distributed, A&E gets 1 vote, Portland gets 3 votes, USSoccer gets 6 votes and the other 9 owners split a vote but only if they cover the check for lunch.

          • Steglitz49

            The Chairman of Lyon has the casting vote. If he is not available, the Emir will act in his stead and has appointed Zlatan as his representative.

            oth, 3 votes to A&E and one each to the owners make 13, which is 23% as near to 25% as you can get.

        • Som Termanni

          Expansion is the big topic for board meetings, and one where A+E has a heavy interest. They’ll pull for teams in large markets that are more likely to draw more viewers in their desired demographics. If a smaller-market team, like say Real Salt Lake, bids and doesn’t get enough backing from the other owners, A+E could be the swing vote.

          In many cases, changes in ownership have to be approved by the board. A+E likely would have had their own opinions about the KC and NC markets that might have differed from the rest of the league.

          Another thing: rule and policy changes, like salary and transfer rules or video replay. A+E might push for expensive things that small independent clubs deem unnecessary, and ideas unpopular with core fans in the name of media presentation or accessibility.

          If the board is 10 teams + 2 A+E, you can bet that the clubs will want A+E to align with them on subjects like higher salary caps, paying amateur callups, and higher facility standards–things smaller clubs like Washington, KC, or Boston might balk at because of cost.

          Small clubs could hold their own when the board consisted of 8 owners, 7 of them independent. Now going into 2017, the board is effectively 12 owners–10 teams and 2 A+E–and at least 6 of them have outside affiliations (Portland, Houston, Orlando backed by MLS franchises; NC backed by a NASL franchise; A+E).

          • mockmook

            Every owner has “outside” interests.

            And, it is absurd to fear that 2 votes will over-rule what’s obvious policy. The 2 votes will only matter on questions where there is no consensus on what is the way to go.

          • Bruce

            Is it true that the board is (was) entirely made up of club owners? Everything I know about the NWSL leads me to believe that the USSF has a large, if not controlling interest.

          • mockmook

            Regardless, the only way AE can harm the league is if the other “players” let it.

          • Rdalford

            “from page 20 on U.S. Soccer’s role with the National Women’s Soccer League: “National Women’s Soccer League, LLC (‘NWSL’) was formed on December 12, 2012 and functions as a professional women’s soccer league. The Federations was appointed as Manager of NWSL, which provides that the Federation will perfomr all management, governance, operational, administrative and advisory services for NWSL. The management agreement is effective for an initial term through December 31, 2013, with an option to extend the agreement through December 31, 2015. In addition, the Federation’s headquarters in Chicago are functioning as the principal office of the NWSL. The Federation does not receive any management fees or rent from NWSL as part of the arrangement. The Federation is not a Member to the LLC agreement, but rather the NWSL is equally owned by its eight member teams. The Federation and NWSL do not share any board members.”

            quote is from
            The U.S. Soccer Federation’s audited financial records for April 1, 2012 through March 13, 2013

          • Bruce

            Great find.

          • Steglitz49

            “The business of America is business”. If the NWSL can’t pay for itself, then it must seek underwriters to avoid the undertakers.

      • Steglitz49

        Beggars can’t be choosers.

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