2017 NWSL Draft results

The Equalizer Staff January 12, 2017 471
The ten players selected in the first round of the 2017 NWSL College Draft (photo by Kieran Theivam)

The ten players selected in the first round of the 2017 NWSL College Draft (photo by Kieran Theivam)

The 2017 NWSL College Draft kicked off today at 3 p.m. EST at the National Soccer Coaches Association of America (NSCAA) Convention in Los Angeles. The Equalizer will keep you updated as each draft pick is announced.

First Round

No. 1 – Boston Breakers: Rose Lavelle (Wisconsin)
No. 2 – North Carolina Courage: Ashley Hatch (BYU)
No. 3 – Boston Breakers: Morgan Andrews (USC)
No. 4 – Sky Blue FC: Kayla Mills (USC)
No. 5 – FC Kansas City: Christina Gibbons (Duke)
No. 6 – Seattle Reign FC: Maddie Bauer (Stanford)
No. 7 – North Carolina Courage: Darian Jenkins (UCLA)
No. 8 – Boston Breakers: Ifeoma Onumonu (California)
No. 9 – Boston Breakers: Margaret Purce (Harvard)
No. 10 – Sky Blue FC: Mandy Freeman (USC)

Second Round

No. 11 – Chicago Red Stars: Michele Vasconcelos (BYU)*
No. 12 – Chicago Red Stars: Morgan Proffitt (Marquette)
No. 13 – FC Kansas City: Toni Payne (Duke)
No. 14 – Portland Thorns FC: Rachel Hill (UConn)
No. 15 – Houston Dash: Jane Campbell (Stanford)
No. 16 – Seattle Reign FC: Katie Johnson (USC)#
No. 17 – FC Kansas City: Stephanie Ribeiro (UConn)
No. 18 – Portland Thorns FC: Savannah Jordan (Florida)**
No. 19 – Washington Spirit: Lindsey Agnew (Ohio State)
No. 20 – North Carolina Courage: Claire Wagner (Clemson)##

Third Round

No. 21 – Portland Thorns FC: Tyler Lussi (Princeton)
No. 22 – Orlando Pride: Danica Evans (Colorado)
No. 23 – Sky Blue FC: Kailen Sheridan (Clemson)
No. 24 – Sky Blue FC: Madison Tiernan (Rutgers)
No. 25 – FC Kansas City: Alexis Shaffer (Virginia)
No. 26 – Seattle Reign FC: Arielle Ship (California)
No. 27 – North Carolina Courage: Jaycie Johnson (Nebraska)
No. 28 – Houston Dash: Nichelle Prince (Ohio State)***
No. 29 – Washington Spirit: Meggie Dougherty Howard (Florida)
No. 30 – Sky Blue FC: Catrina Atanda (Clemson)

Fourth Round

No. 31 – Boston Breakers: Sammy Jo Prudhomme (USC)
No. 32 – Orlando Pride: Nickolette Driesse (Penn State)
No. 33 – Houston Dash: Erin Smith (Rutgers)
No. 34 – Sky Blue FC: McKenzie Meehan (Boston)
No. 35 – FC Kansas City: Rashida Beal (Minnesota)
No. 36 – Washington Spirit: Cameron Castleberry (UNC)
No. 37 – Seattle Reign FC: Kristen McNabb (Virginia)
No. 38 – Boston Breakers: Hayley Dowd (Boston)
No. 39 – Chicago Red Stars: Lauren Kaskie (UCLA)
No. 40 – Portland Thorns FC: Caroline Flynn (Nebraska)

*Chicago traded with Boston for the No. 11 overall pick.
#Seattle traded with Chicago for the No. 16 overall pick.
**Portland traded with North Carolina for the No. 18 overall pick. In return, North Carolina received the No. 20 and No. 27 overall picks.
##Portland traded with Chicago for the No. 21 overall pick.
***Houston traded with Chicago for the No. 28 overall pick.

  • Bruce

    After 4 picks in the first round. I can’t help but think that Boston is doing it all wrong again. Where is the midfield/defensive structure going to come from?

    • Rdalford

      Breakers had (still have) worst defense in league … mistake not to have drafted M Freeman (who is effective as CB or DM) with 9th pick

      • Bruce

        right

      • DNG

        If it’s true that Engen is not returning Boston messed up big time not taking a CB in the first round.

        • xanthophobe

          If Freeman turns out to be a great pick for SBFC (which I think is very very possible) then they have every right to start kicking themselves.

        • mockmook

          They should have picked up a Freeman or Proffitt regardless what Engen’s plans are — those players’ flexibility is a tremendous asset.

    • truf

      Rose and Andrews, Boston’s first two picks are both midfielders, so not sure what you are talking about.

      • Bruce

        All forwards and attacking midfielders for the worst defensive team in the league.

        • And their centerback captain is probably not returning..

        • Som Termanni

          Matt Beard auditioning for USWNT coach after Jello’s Allie Long-at-centerback plan (which she confirmed is still happening) melts down at Shiba Leaves, Algarve, and WC qualifiers.

          • DNG

            What’s the harm in trying it in the March friendlies. If she can’t do it well then Ellis will be sure.

          • JL

            Shiba is at the same time as Algarve. The US is most likely never going back to Algarve.

    • bottom of the table again

      Article by Howard Megdal on FourFourtwo site re Boston Breakers draft
      outlines that Boston had planned to pick only offensive players with their four first round picks and had no intention of drafting defenders. Even had plan to trade #11 pick to Chicago (so chicago could draft Freemen) that was originally contingent on Freeman still being available at #11.
      Boston defense gave up over 2 goals per game ( 47 GA in 20 game season ) and knew that Engen was unlikely to return yet Boston coach/GM (lack of) brain trust had no plan to draft CB or DM to help improve defense.

      “Pressure and opportunity: The tension of betting everything on an NWSL Draft

      Read more at http://www.fourfourtwo.com/us/features/nwsl-draft-behind-scenes-boston-breakers-rose-lavelle#21C5ShEajRF7aEQ2.99

      • Bruce

        Just wow. It’s disheartening to see the decision making process. That their true first choice at forward was a half-year wonder coming off of major ACL injury is even worse.

        • mockmook

          I like the part where they are congratulating themselves on taking players that no one else would have picked until the middle of the draft.

          • Bruce

            My favorite was the debacle at the 11th pick.

            Going into the draft, they had an agreement with CRS to give up that pick for the 12th and next year’s 2nd rounder (likely ~18th) if Mandy Freeman was available.

            After Freeman was taken, there was only one top CB/DM left on the board: Proffitt. Boston knew exactly what Dames wanted and held ALL of the cards. They could have upped the cost of the 11th pick simply by threatening to draft Proffitt (who they need, btw).

            Instead, they back down and accept an 2018 international spot and second round pick (again, ~#18) for their spot at 11. Given an opportunity to apply the screws, they essentially swap the 12th pick in the draft for a future international spot. Un-f’n-believable.

  • Bruce

    The only explanation for the Chicago-Boston trade is that Rory Dames is in possession of compromising information that could get Matt Beard deported.

  • Gary Diver

    What is Boston’s game plan?

    So Savannah Jordan is going overseas?

    • Arcie Tillydee

      According to Mark Parsons, she’s going to play in Europe, then report to the Thorns when her European season is over.

      • Som Termanni

        > Parsons said that Jordan is expected to begin the 2017 season playing for a club in Europe and that the Thorns are not yet sure when she will return to Portland. But with the depth already on Portland’s roster, Parsons said that the club had the luxury of being able to draft Jordan.

        http://www.oregonlive.com/portland-thorns/2017/01/portland_thorns_take_rachel_hi.html#incart_river_index

        “not yet sure when she will return to Portland” isn’t “report to the Thorns when her European season is over”

  • Gary Diver

    What about the future rights of players who go abroad? It is not rocket science to figure out that Vancouver in 2019 (if they have a NSWL team) would love to have Christine Sinclair and Kadeisha Buchanan and one or two other Canadian national players.

    • Steglitz49

      Then they would have to pay better than Lyon and PSG — unless Kadeisha and Ashley totally fluff their lines and flop in France.

    • guest

      i would like to see nwsl teams be able to retain the rights of players they have who go abroad for two years after they decide to come back to the nwsl. in addition to fair compensation it would help to eliminate market manipulation.

  • Gary Diver

    Yikes! Every star player wants to play for Portland! Where does Savannah Jordan fit in the “All-Star Team”? Can Portland pay Jordan more than other teams?

    • Bruce

      I had to take a call. What happened to CRS #21 pick?

    • DNG

      Jordan is likely a bench player in her rookie year if she decides to play there.

    • Som Termanni

      Per Oregonian, Thorns picked her knowing she would likely skip 2017 to play in Europe. If scuttlebutt continues, Vancouver could beam Sinclair up in 2018… right when Jordan shows back up.

      • DNG

        Isn’t that only if Sinclair wants to leave and the Thorns let her or trade her. I’m not sure there is any other way for Vancouver to select Sinclair in an expansion. I think it’s only the Americans that the team can only protect two of.

        • Som Termanni

          I wouldn’t want to be the person in Portland who tells Sinc she can’t play for a home team. Then there’s pressure to be closer to Canada (and training facilities in BC) for WC qualifiers. Then there’s Sinc, in interviews, saying it’d be a tough decision to stay in Portland if Vancouver got a team. Then there’s Sinclair being 37 by 2019 and probably not being the best player at the position by that point.

      • Arcie Tillydee

        It looks like she’s going to report later in the season (according to Mark Parsons, as reported by Jamie Goldberg on Twitter…and Jamie usually has the inside line).. Since she’d not likely be an immediate starter anyway, working her in when she’s fresh from Europe should be fairly easy to do.

    • guest

      Sinc isn’t what she used to be. I’ve always said their weakest position is at forward so Savannah could certainly add there, if she lives up to her hype. They don’t score consistently. Heath is an assist machine but can’t hit the net most of the time.

    • Steglitz49

      I interpret it as that Ms Jordan got exactly what she wanted. Her strategy worked out for her.

  • Forgedias

    I’m still trying to understand what is going on with this draft. Some huge surprises already but I need to see where all the players get drafted before I make any conclusions.

  • HOFCToDi

    Rory Dames is determined to own the 2018 NWSL Draft.

  • Paul Klee

    So is Carolina going with the old 3-2-5 formation?

    • Guest

      Very confusing. Would have thought that they would want an OB to replace Eddy maybe.

      • Paul Klee

        Can’t wait to see the Breakers v Courage. Should play some high scoring matches.

        • Guest

          True but I doubt Boston will suddenly become prolific scorers even though they have the tools to do so now

          • Rdalford

            Boston did nothing to fix it’s defense problems (gave up 47 goals last season, avg giving up 2.35 goals per game, by far the worst defense in the league)

            Great to pick up both Lavelle and Andrews
            but silly not pick up Freeman (good CB and also can play DM) with 8th or 9th pick

          • romel dias

            you forget they shipped out Kallman and have brought in Oyster and Frisbie!

          • Paul Klee

            If nothing else’s Lavelle and Andrews should enliven the training room.

          • Guest

            They got Oyster, Frisbie and Chapman to go with King and Westphal

          • guest

            Boston has added Oyster, Frisbie and Chapman
            but lost Kallman, (apparently) Engen and Pathman

            does not look like a stronger defensive lineup to me

          • Paul Klee

            I agree in matches versus the rest of the league but in matchups versus Carolina I can see them being higher scoring

    • Bruce

      It doesn’t inspire confidence in your front office when your top pick (#2, Hatch) says that she had no contact with the coaching staff prior to being selected.

      • Som Termanni

        What coaching staff? They still haven’t hired anybody for 2017, Riley’s presence notwithstanding.

        • Bruce

          Let’s say “organization”, then.

      • Paul Klee

        Perhaps the plan is to do it much like last year, just make some seemingly random moves, then let Paul Riley convince the team to band together and play for each other against the world.

  • Som Termanni

    Through trades, Chicago now have the Dash’s 2018 R2 pick, Portland’s 2018 2nd- and 3rd-round picks, Seattle’s 2018 2nd-round pick, Boston’s 2018 2nd-round pick and a Boston 2018 international roster spot. The only 2018 pick they traded away was their 2nd-round pick, to Boston.

    • HOFCToDi

      I thought Chicago traded a 2018 NWSL College Draft 2nd round pick and an international spot for the 11th overall pick in the 2017 NWSL College Draft.

    • Bruce

      Good haul, but I worry what happens if Vasconcelos isn’t the answer at LMF. Would have liked to see more competition drafted at that position.

      • Bruce

        Maybe the competing option is for Proffitt at the #6, push Colaprico to the #10 and move DiBernardo permanently to the left flank?

        Not crazy about that.

        • mockmook

          Or, Profitt at DM

          Colaprico at LM
          Valconcelos at RM

          Huerte/K.Johnson and Press as Forwards

          (But trust me, you’ll be happy with V at LM)

          • HOFCToDi

            Hey dumbass,

            There is no K. Johnson on the Chicago Red Stars roster:

            Green
            Huerta
            Hoy
            McCaffrey
            Press
            Walls

          • Bruce

            I just spent 30 minutes looking at her Vasconcelos game tape. Didn’t see her use her left foot even once.

            Assuming Dames keeps the diamond midfield in place, I would think Vasconcelos’ natural fit would be right flank, where Huerta has landed. That really sets up a three-way contest between Huerta, Vasconcelos and McCaffrey for RM or a wide Forward.

            It’s pretty clear that CRS didn’t upgrade the one position they really needed to (LM) in the draft. My money is on DiB moving left permanently with either Press dropping or Colaprico moving up to CAM.

          • HOFCToDi

            Chicago Red Stars right flank midfield options:

            Green
            Huerta
            Mautz
            McCaffrey
            Vasconcelos

          • mockmook

            You still haven’t convinced me that she can’t play LM if that’s where they want her.

          • Bruce

            Hope you are right.

          • mockmook

            She’s played at least one game (allegedly) on the edge there — that’s good enough for me 🙂

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7b58284683f2994297505045118fadedbeb8b94025bd1854bd97d4d179453ac0.jpg

            Murphy == Vasconcelos

      • mockmook

        Vasconcelos is like that annoying gnat — always there, always contesting everything — she is a great pick-up.

        • wosofan

          Great draft pick. She is a smart player, intuitive. Also very good nerves in front of net.

    • Stocking up draft picks for next year when Press goes to LAFC.

      • DNG

        Chicago can’t let Press go unless they get an Alex Morgan type of return

        • Let’s not pretend the league doesn’t let the NT players do mostly what they want. And the league will want a marquee player in LA. It has Press written all over it.

          • DNG

            The only NT player I’ve seen been given away for basically nothing was Ali Krieger. Leroux was not originally traded to FCKC when she was in Seattle. Would the league engineer an Morgan type deal to get Press to LA maybe but I don’t believe Chicago will lose her for nothing just like I didn’t think Portland would lose Morgan for nothing.

          • Guest

            Krieger to Orlando for ——— FREE

          • Steglitz49

            Carli Lloyd?

        • guest

          christen press has a higher nwsl value than alex morgan. chicago should get more.

          • Steglitz49

            Maybe they could get a player from Lyon?

    • Rdalford

      check the trade detail for Chicago and Boston trade
      Chicago – Boston trade today at start of round 2
      – Chicago got 2017 pick #11 (from Boston) Michele Vasconcelos (BYU)
      – Boston got Chicago’s 2nd round 2018 pick and a 2018 international slot

      • Som Termanni

        Thanks. The on-air analysts were infuriatingly wrong on a number of picks. Their initial reports also had Chicago getting 2018 1st and 2nd round picks from Portland, instead of 2nd and 3rd.

        From the NWSL’s Twitter feed, Chicago gave up:
        2018 Chicago 2nd-round pick
        2018 international spot
        2017 pick #16 (Ribeiro)
        2017 pick #21 (Lussi)
        2017 pick #28 (Prince)

        And received:
        2017 pick #11 (Vasconcelos)
        2018 Seattle 1st-round pick
        2018 Portland 2nd-round pick
        2018 Portland 3rd-round pick
        2018 Houston 2nd-round pick

        • guest

          chicago draft picks are stocked for 2018. two #1s, two #2s and two #3s and one #4.

        • mockmook

          I liked when they all assumed that Madison Tiernan of Rutgers was Murielle Tiernan of VT

  • I’m definitely happy with Sky Blue’s day so far. This whole draft has gone a lot different than most probably expected but most teams are doing good things.

    • By the Shore

      I had thought SB would have wanted Campbell, but maybe it thinks/knows that Cameron is definitely coming back or its happy with Stanley.

      • She maybe was a little overrated coming into today. Is it rumored Cameron may be coming back? Hadn’t heard that.

        • No rumor

          I was just speculating a possible line of thinking.

        • mockmook

          Campbell went at #15

          SBFC got Mills and Freeman with their top picks — two fantastic players

    • GT

      We don’t know what other moves are in the works (if any) but getting two first round defenders from the Championship team USC sounds pretty good. It would appear that this should free Kelley O’Hara up once and for all from playing in the back and now can be moved to either attacking midfielder or forward with Sam Kerr (assuming she returns). Also assuming that Christie Rampone is playing this year (but you never know.)

      • Steglitz49

        KO is a back. Why do you want to free her up? Regression to the past does not usually add value.

        • GT

          A stitch in time saves nine.

          • Steglitz49

            Whatever floats SB’s boat.

    • Breakers fan

      I think they had one of if not the best draft. Only pick that made me wonder was Tiernan. I’m envious of a few you got – Atanda and Freeman as they could have been Breakers. Mills was basically un-gettable. Not technically, but effectively. And Sheridans’ acceptance talk was I think my favorite of the day.

  • Breakers Fan .. where you at and how you feeling?

    • HOFCToDi

      In a coma after this draft.

      • Steglitz49

        Touché!

    • Breakers fan

      Here I am. Processing it all – not easy to do. Happy about some, unhappy about other parts is my opening general statement.

      • HOFCToDi

        Where’s the beef …. oops, I’m mean defense?

        Purce over Freeman is a headscratcher.

        • Breakers fan

          See above. He almost 100% could have had both…..until trading to your team the #11 pick.

          • HOFCToDi

            Don’t feel bad.

            Chris Henderson, the author at All White Kit, ripped a number of draft selections in his round by round analysis.

          • Breakers fan

            I’ll take a look at that – thanks.

          • HOFCToDi

            Mandy Freeman was selected 10th overall by Sky Blue FC.

          • Breakers fan

            Right. What I was saying was pick Freeman at 9 and almost 100% sure you still get Purce at 11. Only way that’s ruined is if Sky Blue takes Purce at 10 and I can only conclude that he was really worried they would, to the extent he was willing to risk losing Freeman, which happened. We’ll never know if he would have kept the 11 pick to take Freeman IF Sky Blue hadn’t taken her. But …..I think, if he wanted Freeman, the odds of Purce slipping through Sky Blue were much better than them not taking Freeman.

          • HOFCToDi

            Take one of Onumonu or Purce and then Freeman.

            Dowie, Simon, Haavi, Onumonu or Purce should suffice for the 2016 NWSL Season.

          • Breakers fan

            Yes, that is what I was saying – your first sentence. I do like Purce though, again, until proven otherwise. She has been with YNTs for a long time. I’ve seen her play. I like her a lot more than Simon and potentially more than Dowie and Haavi and Onumonu. But yeah, even with all of that you could have had Freeman too. I didn’t expect Freeman to be around that long. Odd to me how he’s completely carving out room for just Oyster and Frisbie in the middle…unless Engen does return. Julie King on the right and Allysha Chapman on the left to complete the backline. He probably will still play Westphal in the back too – but where? Is she on the bench again largely? I think I would have handled things differently.

          • HOFCToDi

            If you are from Boston, you should be familiar with the term “tar and feather”. Britain’s finest Matt Beard ……………………..

          • Breakers fan

            I would have kept every pick, — (though the Allysha Chapman for the #15 pick I am, at this point in time, ok with. I need to see her play more), I would have picked Rose, and put her at CAM where she said she likes to play the most (she said Beard wants her at DM) I would move Westphal to DM. That frees up the Andrews pick,. I would have taken Jenkins at 3, and then Freeman at 8 or 9. For starters. But I don’t want to be all doom and gloom. I really don’t. Let’s see how it goes, what he does with the players he has.

          • HOFCToDi

            I’m still waiting for the Chicago Red Stars to draft a legitimate left footed left flank midfielder to replace Lori Chalupny. Wait ’til next year is becoming too redundant.

          • Breakers fan

            Not sure how many of THOSE were even available and rated highly this year. They could have drafted Catrina Atanda, who is left-footed and who I *really* wanted and moved her to the flank from CAM but I think you wanted someone with a lot of flank experience ……oh wait, you did get a lefty flank player – Lauren Kaskie. I like her. Powerful left foot. Speed is average but she’s a solid player – played against great competition for 4 years in the Pac-12 too.

            Though right-footed maybe she’ll still be good on the left – Vasconcelos. Heath and Pugh are both right-footed and are good on the left. Messi is left-footed and they often play him on the right, I believe, so it’s not absolutely necessary, though I think I prefer it. You have to see how each player does.

          • HOFCToDi

            Lauren Kaskie, UCLA

            uclabruins.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=1503

            Five starts in 22 games doesn’t cut it at the professional level.

            Can you say “training camp fodder”?

          • Breakers fan

            Maybe. I like her more than most. Give her a shot.

          • HOFCToDi

            Why not? Taylor Comeau does not belong in the NWSL.

            Color me skeptical.

          • Breakers fan

            I don’t know Comeau – obviously she didn’t stand out to me in all the games I’ve seen CRS play, so yeah, try Kaskie but don’t you think they have Vasconcelos as the most likely player slotted for the left?

          • HOFCToDi

            Taylor Comeau was a scrub for the Portland Thorns when the national team players were away for the 2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup. Yet Taylor Comeau started for the Chicago Red Stars in the semifinals of the 2016 NWSL Playoffs. Go figure.

            Six forwards: Green, Hoy, Huerta, McCaffrey, Press, Walls
            Two right flank midfielders: Vasconcelos, Mautz
            Zero left flank midfielders:

            Green – right footed
            Mautz – right footed
            McCaffrey – right footed
            Vasconcelos – right footed

            Huerta is not a flank midfielder but duct tape and baling wire.

          • Breakers fan

            You either go with Kaskie if you are dead set on having a lefty on the left or you put a righty there and hope the righty has a good left foot, ala Heath and I think Pugh. The advantage a righty has playing on the left of course is in cutting in – that brings her strong right foot into play, unlike a lefty cutting in from the left.

          • HOFCToDi

            Kaskie is not a starter unless the Chicago Red Stars wish to contend for the cellar.

            I don’t care for hypotheticals after last season with Da Costa playing the central attacking midfield role and DiBernardo playing the left flank midfield role. Disaster!

          • Breakers fan

            It’ll be Vasconcelos on the left. Can’t argue with her goal and assist totals last year.

          • HOFCToDi

            Chicago Red Stars
            Right Flank Midfielders
            Starter – Vasconcelos
            Backup – Mautz

            The rest are forwards:
            Green, Hoy, Huerta, McCaffrey, Press, Walls

            The square pegs in round holes did not work last season.

          • Breakers fan

            So who starts on the left?

          • HOFCToDi

            Chicago Red Stars
            Defensive/Holding Midfielders
            Starter – Colaprico
            Backup – Proffitt

            At least this issue is resolved.

            Ask the coach who is more concerned about the 2018 NWSL College Draft than plugging a major hole in the roster.

          • Breakers fan

            Who do you think will start on CRS’ left flank next year?

          • HOFCToDi

            Mickey Mouse.

            At least two issues resolved for calendar year 2016. Two more issues pending:

            two left flank midfielders
            one backup outside back

          • Steglitz49

            His team can’t be relegated, so what does it matter? Given the eveness of the NWSL, it is not like he has to face Lyon or Wolfsburg on a daily basis, not even PSG or Montpellier.

          • Steglitz49

            Chicago’s 2016 was soured by a certain player hitting the crossbar when all she needed to do was roll the ball in.

          • guest

            Tobin Heath is left footed.

          • Breakers fan

            Nope. Righty with a good left foot. I’ll bet you on that.

          • guest

            She signed my autograph with her left hand . I attend Thorns games and she kicks corners with her left foot. she plays on the left.

          • Breakers fan

            Left-handed yes, but right-foot dominant. I know a bunch of people who vary from hand to foot in this way. Alex Morgan is like this with the other foot and hand. She kicks corners with her left because she’s pretty good at it – better than a lot of rightys – but that’s because she likes doing soccer things the “right” way, the way the men do it, even if she would be more accurate with her other foot. I’m 99.99% sure about this – I’ve watched her since her UNC days. They put her on the left because she is decent with her left and she likes to cut in to use her even better foot, her right. Watch her closely, watch how well she strikes the ball with her right foot. And she takes a bunch of her free kicks with her right. As a rule I don’t like when she gets what I call “cute” and uses her left on corners and free kicks because it’s the “inside socccer” way of doing it in terms of ball spin — that said, sometimes she delivers excellent kicks with her left so hats off to her when she does that, which isn’t always. I know Messi – who of course is left-footed – is played on the right for the reasons I gave above.

          • Steglitz49

            Chicago lost their 2016 SF through a certain player hitting the crossbar instead of just tapping the ball in.

          • mockmook

            Point of inquiry by the ignorant unwashed:

            Wasn’t Kaskie used as mainly (always?) a central-ish mid at UCLA? Not on the edge?

          • Breakers fan

            My memory of Kaskie is on the edge as a Bruin, sorry to say.

          • kernel_thai

            Green is more of a right flank middle than a forward.

          • HOFCToDi

            That still does not resolve the major hole at the left flank midfield position.

            5 forwards: Hoy, Huerta, McCaffrey, Press, Walls
            3 right flank midfielders: Green, Mautz, Vasconcelos
            0 left flank midfielders:

          • HOFCToDi

            Matt Beard wants Rose Lavelle to play defensive midfield? Matt Beard must have graduated from the Jurgen Klinsmann school of coaching.

          • Breakers fan

            Yep. Probably saw her there at Wisconsin and liked what he saw……but where is she really best? I say at CAM and that’s her preference, though she has a good attitude about going where Beard wants her. If you play her at CAM do you move Andrews to DM? Maybe better to do that.

          • HOFCToDi

            4-3-3 tactical formation. If Westphal can play the defensive midfield role, the other two can interchange.

          • Breakers fan

            No clue what formation he intends. or where Westphal fits into it. She strikes me as once again the odd woman out. I really hope I’m wrong. What a waste if so. A very good player there, I’m confident.

          • Bruce

            I believe her words in the interview were that she’ll “likely to play a box-to-box” role.

          • Breakers fan

            I heard that but to me that’s vague – does that correspond more to you as playing CAM or a DM? I got the extremely strong suspicionfeeling/sense from what Rose said that she expects to be behind Morgan Andrews on the field, not in front of her. Did you also get that impression?

          • Bruce

            No strong clue on what that means. I’d guess they’ll be running a 3 player midfield, though.

          • mockmook

            “Andrews to DM?”

            No!!!!!!

            You want a Carli Lloyd situation?

          • Breakers fan

            I don’t like it either -I’m just trying to get Rose up to CAM, where she said she “loves to play”. If I’m a coach I try to make my #1 pick happy and play her at her favorite position.

          • mockmook

            Then play dual CAMs — or put Andrews as a target Forward

          • Yea she even says she’s best and most effective at AM. Use her where you’re going to get the most out of her.

          • HOFCToDi

            Those Europeans aren’t so smart after all:

            Matt Beard
            Jurgen Klinsmann

            Jurgen could not coach his way out of a paper bag.

          • Steglitz49

            I am ok with Purce. I think it was a smart PR move. I do agree with you that he could have used your strategy for #9 and #11, though. Maybe the PR-angle needed Purce to be picked in Round 1?

        • Steglitz49

          PR?

      • HOFCToDi

        youtube.com/watch?v=rZxNeFLuY98

        • Breakers fan

          That’s awesome. Didn’t know a bunch of those.

          • HOFCToDi

            “It’s obvious to me the [fill in the blank] don’t understand what the draft is all about.”

          • HOFCToDi

            I love the fan reactions.

  • Guest

    I saw a lot of people suspected Driesse would go in first round – kind of odd then for her to be almost last, no?

    • mockmook

      A lot of these Coaches/GMs seem obsessed with only taking Forwards

      Not Smart!!!!

      • Bruce

        If it works so well for JE…

      • Guest

        NC decisions boggle my mind. You have McDonald, Williams, Doniak, and recently called up Smith, why do you need 4 more forwards?

        Boston: we have Haavi, Dowie, Simon, let’s take 8 more forwards and not address losing our already inadequate backline

        • Som Termanni

          As noted elsewhere, if Riley doesn’t return, I don’t expect Williams, McDonald, or Sanderson to be locks to return. They need to be sold on this new org, and every day that goes buy without Riley signing a new deal hurts their pitch to players Riley championed.

          • JL

            The word is that Riley is likely to return as coach. It’s not 100% a sure thing, but if I had to bet money, I’d put it on Riley.

  • wosofan

    Lavelle and Andrews going to make Boston really fun to follow

    • DNG

      It sounds like Engen isn’t returning and they didn’t really address the defense after conceding 47 times last year. I’m taking the wait and see approach with Boston.

      • mockmook

        Could have gotten Freeman and Profitt at #8 and 9

        Infuriating!!!!

        • Breakers fan

          Yep. I wanted that. Freeman at 9 at least. I guess he got really worried he’d lose Purce at 10? I have to think she would have been there at 11 if he took Freeman at 9. Not sure what if anything he had against Freeman. Weird. My guess is that he’s going ahead with Oyster and Frisbie at centerback. My response is: Ok. That could be a good duo……but….what about adding another player to that mix as competition, as re-enforcement? Remember how Washington benched Oyster last year? And what if one of them gets hurt? Bewildering to me that you don’t add one defender. Wrong, in my opinion.

          The Breakers played Harvard pre-season last year, and I think Purce did really well in that game.And then, not sure if he did but he could have gone out and seen some Harvard games locally. — to explain that pick. I’m good with the Purce pick until proven otherwise. But trading the #11 pick? I’ll be glad next year to have that pick but ….what about this year?They kept shedding picks – 4 good ones to Chicago.

          I think one can only conclude that he wanted a limited amount of players. 4 and a keeper. That’s it, period. That he had a laser focus on *that* and only that. The Dowd pick was a headscratcher. He could have had her come to the tryout. She’s from here, goes to school here. The last 2 teams were not going to take her. That one hurt. Nothing against her but we did not need another forward at that point. She’ll probably hardly ever play if at all, I imagine. I hope she makes me look like an idiot with that statement. I’ve seen her at BC – she’s good but we’re just extra-loaded with forwards

          • Steglitz49

            Picking Purse is a smart PR move.

          • DNG

            Chris Henderson was of the opinion that Ifeoma Onumonu was a big reach in the first round. I really think they should have picked at least one defender and preferebly a CB with their first 4 picks. I don’t understand how they didn’t if it’s true that Engen is leaving

          • Breakers fan

            Totally agree about wishing he had added a defender – the best centerback in the draft, in my and many people’s opinion was there for the taking later than everyone was anticipating. The last pick, not to mention not getting Freeman when they could have, was an absolute throwaway, as if he was saying “How can I not make a pick here?” because he knew he could get local girl Dowd to play or try out, whether she was drafted or not. He was saying “no” to every single player left on the board. That bothered me.
            To me, his draft indicates that he wanted 4 players + a keeper and absolutely no more. Why? Maybe financial reasons? I found it very odd. Another indication of this is how he didn’t even use pick #11, traded it for a pick next year. I’m sure I’ll be glad then but the team needs help now most of all. We’re seeing his vision. And since he’s the coach he has that right. We’ll see if his vision aligns with reality.

          • kernel_thai

            Very surprised about Purce. Im guessing she finishes up at Harvard before joining a team so that would have made her less attractive to teams other than Boston. I think he would have been better keeping the 11th pick and got some defensive help at 9. Then if Purse did somehow go at 10 he still had Meehan if he was determined to take another attacker.

          • Breakers fan

            Are you saying you’re surprised Purce went so early based on your evaluation of her?

            I have no idea if she is behind the other players in terms of graduating or how she plans to go about her academics. Do you have any reason to believe that she isn’t on the same schedule as the other players who filed for the draft?

            That said, I agree with your picks 9 and 11 analysis. I feel he should have done the same. And I think you’re probably correct in assuming that Meehan would have been next on his favorite attackers list.

          • Steglitz49

            I stick to my guns that picking Purce was a PR-move and for it to have impact it had to be the first round.

          • mockmook

            PERHAPS, this might ease the pain a little:

            http://drawformation.com/post/587884df50405/sm-587884df50405.png

          • DNG

            It hurts a little to see Lavelle deployed as a DM. One of those attacking mid spots would be great for a player like Rose. I like your team’s shape though.

          • Breakers fan

            I like this, like having Frisbie up the field a bit, getting Westphal in there and maybe Ratcliffe but I don’t see Beard doing it that way. Without knowing the exact formation I think that: it’ll be Oyster and Frisbie at centerback, King on the right, Chapman on the left (Engen retired or just not playing for the Breakers). I think Dowie and Haavi will be out there starting, Lavelle and Andrews too, but beyond them it’s a crapshoot among everyone else for who starts.

          • Steglitz49

            agree. I see both Haavi and Dowie starting.

          • mockmook

            “I don’t see Beard doing it that way”

            Duh!!!!!

            Nobody else sees playing players where I see them 🙂

          • mockmook

            OK, when do you unveil your super secret picks? 🙂

            BTW, I think Kolander is a more polished version of Onumonu — either way, that is a high pick.

          • Breakers fan

            The players I was concealing the extent of my enthusiasm about:

            a) The biggest one was Jenkins. Evidently I wasn’t the only one. Yes, I wonder about her recovery from injury and how likely a recurrence is but I was just super-impressed with her and her potential when I saw her early last college season. I had made that known to some extent.

            b) Catrina Atanda — fell in love, as it were, after watching her about 9 minute highlight video.

            c) Mimi Rangell – Long Beach St. 3 time midfielder of the year in the Big West. Her team beat USC this year. Disappoiinted no one drafted her. Hope she catches on somewhere. Really crafty and poised and technical. Check out her highlight reel, and some of the best plays are left out.

            d) Rylee Baisden, Pepperdine, (F,M,D) – check out her highlight video – it’s all I’m going on. Watch it a few times and notice each play. Stunned that these last 2 players weren’t drafted. I think that’s a big mistake.
            e) Not a secret but that Serina Kashimoto I want on my team in a huge way!
            f) Meghan Cox, UVA — I spoke of this player earlier also. I think it’s an error that she wasn’t drafted.

            About Kolander …I’m surprised she wasn’t taken as her physical profile seems in very high demand these days after WNY’s forwards’ success last year.

            What the heck happened to Cal’s Fletcher do you think? Would she have to take up an international slot player for a team?

          • mockmook

            Fletcher would take an International slot — but, if she is as good as I think, then that wouldn’t have prevented her from being picked up.

            So, either no one else shares my opinion, or she is seeking to go overseas.

          • guest

            AWK had Fletcher ranked 57
            57. Emma Fletcher – MF – Cal
            so perhaps others did not rank her as high as you

          • mockmook

            AWK also had Katie Johnson ranked at #59 (which you may note is below Fletcher’s 57) and KJ was drafted #16 by the Reign.

          • Steglitz49

            Shows how even the field is and how hard it is to make predictions.

          • mockmook

            Thanks for the list!!!

            The only “pure” Forward that deserved to go in the first round (based on draft teams’ needs and draftee talent at other positions) was Savannah Jordan. And, Jordan deserved to drop out of the First round if reports of her International commitment are true.

        • DNG

          Yeah they definitely should have taken Freeman with one of the 4 picks. Profitt would have been fine as well. I just don’t get it.

      • FawcettFan14

        Perhaps Boston has agreed to terms with Engen to play this season, hence the lack of drafting a defender. Surely…
        Otherwise all their forward picks seem unwise.

        • guest

          but then again it’s Boston ….

        • Guest

          Even so, the defense had engen last year and was still abysmal. So it’s not as though leaving it as is (only replacing kallman w oyster) is suddenly gonna make it viable

          • Breakers fan

            They also added Allysha Chapman, Canadian national team starter and Amanda Frisbie who I like a lot. — won a championship in Iceland, was the I think 7th player drafted out of college her year, had a bad injury, and is working her way back. So, they have made some moves beyond Oyster.

          • mockmook

            They also added Frisbie.

            But still.

          • Breakers fan

            Yes, you’ll see I mentioned Frisbie right after Chapman. Like you said: “But still…”

          • Steglitz49

            Did you see the size of that cup she was kissing. That is a trophy!

        • Som Termanni

          Don’t count on Engen at all. She sounds like she’s out. https://twitter.com/BacklineSoccer/status/819651379375411200

    • Movement

      The 2017 Draft was very good.

      2018 NWSL Draft could end up being better, which wasn’t thought to be the case about 6 months ago.

      MF – Andi Sullivan (better than every player taken in both the 2016 and 2017 drafts)

      MF – Rachel Corboz (higher ceiling than her older sister, assist machine, possible future star at club and intl’)

      F/MF – Ani Sarkisian (sky is the limit, maybe planet Venus. NWSL fans will love her)

      GK – Casey Murphy (the Murph is a tall and rock steady goalkeeper that should be on the USWNT one day)

      F/MF/D- Jessie Scarpa (may have to make a position switch, but is very versatile and powerful)

      F/MF/D – Michaela Abam (this West Virginia player has scary potential, and could tear it up in this league)

      MF – Emily Ogle (didn’t have the best U-20 WWC, but may be the next best thang at midfielder to Sullivan)

      MF- Mikaela Harvey (Zerboni engine, Ohai lungs, super model hair, vicious bite, what’s not to like?)

      F/MF/D – Gabby Seiler (one of the most versatile players in the draft. stud player from Florida)

      D – Rebecca Quinn (star defensive diamond. big time player at the international level)

      D – Sabrina Flores (youth national team veteran, and could be a high-quality outside back in NWSL)

      F – Nadia Gomes (another potential long-term professional goal scorer from BYU)

      F – Frannie Crouse (skilled striker from Penn State, and a U-23 type of national team talent)

      F – Megan Schafer (another skilled striker from Penn State)

      F – Jorian Baucom (thicker version of Sydney Leroux, less speed, but more power than Leroux)

      F – Savannah McCaskill (SEC player of the year from South Carolina, and the best ever at drawing penalties)

      D – Brittany Basinger (youth national team player for years, not USWNT caliber, but groomed to be a pro)

      D – Emma Koivisto (big time talented Euro Florida State player)

      GK – Cassie Miller (stud goalkeeper from FSU. with future expansion in NWSL, probable starter in this Ligg)

      F – Maria Sanchez (star Mexican youth player from their youth World Cup team, could be a force in NWSL)

      F/MF – Megan Buckingham (finally a UNC player shows up here)

      F/MF/D – Aly Moon (best name in the draft, and one of the most versatile prospects. will lose her shorts)

      F – Haley Pounds (Ashley Hatch “Lite” type of player from Texas A&M, which is still a solid pro prospect)

      D – McKayla Paulson (big imposing center back prospect from Texas A&M. shut down defender)

      • Breakers fan

        wow, thanks for that! I know some of ’em but not all. Good preview.

      • #1Fan

        you are way over the top on some of these kids. I sense some humor in it though.

        • guest

          i don’t know what’s worse, his OTTness or your constant saltiness

          • Steglitz49

            His saltiness.

          • rkmid71

            #1Fan is knowledgeable. Maybe too knowledgeable.

            “The man who is a pessimist before 48 knows too much; if he is an optimist after it he knows too little.”~ Mark Twain

          • Steglitz49

            His main weakness is that he does not cope with people who disagree with him. His solution is to block them. His reading of the comments section must be like those old censored newspapers in the DDR and USSR in days of old.

      • Steglitz49

        Rachel Corboz might aim for Medical School like her elder sister.

      • mockmook

        The ‘Class of 2017’ isn’t too shabby either — I’d even say it’s deeper.

        Here is a team of ‘scrubs’ made only from the rejects (or never registered) players from this year:

        http://drawformation.com/post/587ab5b5a153d/sm-587ab5b5a153d.png

        BTW, Quinn is a (injured) Senior this year — where did you see that she is returning to Duke for 2018?

    • #1Fan

      I think Andrews is very overrated.

  • wosofan

    Vasconcelos — what a steal by the Chicago Red Stars. Surprised that UVA players fell so far before being drafted. Shaffer in particular deserved a higher placement. Also, not sold on Andrews — I think the league is too fast for her. Ready to be proven wrong, but I don’t see it now.

    • Bruce

      I think Shaffer’s lack of speed really caused her to drop. I think you can say the same thing of Driesse.

      Aly Wagner really hit the nail on the head in the middle of round three when she pointed out that most teams were drafting speed over technique.

      • Steglitz49

        Speed as in speed or speed as in acceleration? Acceleration is more important in soccer than sustained speed.

        • rkmid71

          It’s more important in the NBA too. NBA teams have started (I think since 2011 or so) measuring the speed of a players first two steps. Every scout had thought Jeremy Linn (the Harvard player that played for NY Knicks and now Houston Rockets) was unathletic. Turns out he had the quickest first move of any player in his draft class and is more explosive and able to change direction far more quickly than most NBA players. Why did everyone think he was unathletic? Maybe because he was Asian?

          Btw — given your point about GK height, they also figured out that it didn’t matter how tall a player was as how high they could reach with their hands. Length rather than height. The NBA started putting less weight on production in college and more weight on raw physical ability. Soccer is different given the time it takes to develop ball skills and awareness which are critical for speed of play which can more or less neutralize.an athletic freak. But nevertheless, in WoSo, there is huge scope for improvement for how players are evaluated. Though little financial incentive.

          • Steglitz49

            rkmid71 — please note that the span equals the height.

            The Breakers won the PR battle picking Purce. I agree with Breakers Fan that they could have gotten her on #11 but then they would have lost the PR-angle because they needed her to be picked in the first round.

            I have not seen Purce play. My partner was at Harvard so I must root for her. No choice.

          • rkmid71

            What you say might be true for Da Vjnci’s Vitruvian Man or even most people, but that’s not what were talking about. Many of the great boxers had a reach well in excess of their height: Ali, Liston, Mayweather, Hagler, Hearns, etc.

            I’m not a fan of PR. I’m a fan of winning. Having both is I suppose the best. My wife went to Harvard so I know your pain. The joke I always tell: Do you know the difference between a Harvard person and Stanford person? When they get in an argument, the Harvard person always wins and the Stanford person is always right.

          • Steglitz49

            Barts is one of the oldest medical schools in England and Sherlock Holmes’s Dr Watson went there. “You can allways tell a Barts man but you can’t tell him anything”, the saying goes.

            Ali was the greatest but I have no memory of him walking with his knuckles scraping the ground. To me he always looked balanced. He was fleet of foot and had acceleration.

          • rkmid71

            Well we agree that Ali was the greatest. The most extreme example I’ve seen is NBA player Rajon Rondo who has a wingspan of 81 inches (6 feet 9 inches) despite standing only 6 feet 1 inch. Jerry West was similar at 6’9″ wingspan and height of 6’2″. I read that Kevin McHale (another NBA player) could tie his shoes without having to bend over. For GK we want a Rondo type — quickness of small person with the length or wingspan of a tall person. I can’t seem to find Solo’s wingspan, but I’d bet it’s well about her height.

          • HOFCToDi

            Height is overrated. Vertical jump/leap is too often overlooked.

          • Steglitz49

            I have no memory of Hope being so imbalanced, neither Hedvig Lindahl. The same goes for the truly great male keepers of yore like Banks, Yashin abd Rio.Kalle. Buffon, Neuer and Casillas also look balanced but I may be out by a couple of inches.

      • DNG

        Lack of speed shouldn’t be an issues for Vlatko’s players. He has fast players on his front line and knows how to utilize his midfielders effectively. I think Shaffer will do well in KC.

      • #1Fan

        DID not read this before I typed. This is the ULTIMATE hypocrisy in US Soccer. There is lots of wailing and gnashing of teeth at the NT levels ( especially youth) about how we play and the lack of the ability to possess the ball and use it intelligently. On draft day , we often see speed/athletes take center stage. Im not saying it should be different, Im just surprised that some people dont understand that IF they want to change it, then they have to value players for their technique as well. The ball moves faster than anyone can run,

        • DNG

          There are a couple of NWSL coaches and teams that value the ability to possess the ball and play. It’s tough to play like that and always win though. WNY were very effective basically just countering with lots of speed and crosses. I’d like to see how the Courage(now) react to a team who just decides they are going to cede the midfield space to them. I think a lot of team would find it is easier to play against them defending deep(assuming those team’s CBs can clear crosses).

          • #1Fan

            I agree with you and thats the point really. In the US there is a pipeline of athletic players. you can make them effective fairly easily. the responsibility to play good soccer rests with no one.

          • DNG

            You’re talking about in this country when you talk about the responsibility of playing good soccer right? Perhaps the NWSL would benefit a little from teams that tried to stop other teams from playing as oppose to alway going accepting an up and down match. Teams did seem to figure out the Reign somewhat last year. Obviously this will still be an issue throughout the youth system but you have to start somewhere. I’d like to see teams get away from the allocation system at some point too. While it seems to be a benefit to the league to have each team have good players, it is a real shame to see Brian, among some others, not be able to move to a team that suits them as players. It seems like that might actually hurt the growth of players and teams who want to play in the style Ellis keeps talking about.

          • JL

            A team giving up the midfield to Carolina would be a mistake, since that gives all the space to Mewis, and that’s a dumb idea. When she’s on her game, she can thread a through ball better than most players.

          • DNG

            Mewis is okay. I thought her best passing and playmaking came in transition like the rest of WNY players. Even if I agreed with what you were saying, it’s a lot easier to defend one CM sitting deep than it is to defend 3-4 counter-attackers in space. The idea of sitting deep is to limit the effectiveness of the forwards speed by taking away the ball in behind which will make it harder for any CM to play through balls.

        • Breakers fan

          Lavelle was such a choice, but after that it fell away quickly as you noted Not that the dichotomy is absolute – that you’re either one or the other and with no mixture but I get your point.

          Your feelings about Jersey girl Catrina Atanda, if you’ve seen her a lot? and. I didn’t see her that much but what I did see impressed me a lot. A player I loved and one who wasn’t drafted was/is very technical and not super athletic but athletic enough to have been midfielder of the year for 3 years in a good soccer conference, the Big West, Mimi Rangell. And I loved the clips of that Japanese player – their ex U17 Captain, who went to Butler out of loyalty to an American she met when that American was in Japan playing professionally — she was/is also the Butler assistant coach. I think a team has to go after this player. She impressed me as much as Rose, pretty much. She’s an archteypal excellent, small statured Japanese player. If a team doesn’t go after her they’re all crazy – -unless they just don’t have any int’l slots left.

          lastly, how much have you seen Purce play?

          • Steglitz49

            The span equals the height.

            They won the PR battle picking Purce. I agree with Breakers Fan that they could have gotten her on #11 but then they would have lost the PR-angle.

            I have not seen Purce play. My partner was at Harvard so I must root for her. No choice.

          • #1Fan

            its not absolute. I agree. i paint it that way for effect. Kashimoto plays with a kid I coached. Seen her a lot. Very clever player and IMO as good as Lavelle ( in fact better in some areas) . Not seen Atanda. Purce is OK. I dont know how well she will do in the league. Purce, Jenkins , Onumonu all stunned me by how high they went.

          • Breakers fan

            Very cool about Kashimoto! Why do you think no one drafted her yesterday? She pretty much blew me away in her video clips but it was really just what we see with a good number of the top Japanese players – which is a lot. I just wasn’t used to seeing that kind of play in the context of American college soccer, haha. Jenkins, if she can stay healthy, I think will be great – that’s my sense from the just 3 or so games I saw her in before her injury. More technical from the small sample size than I was expecting and I think very good speed.

            The others you mention – I’m forming no opinions, making no assumptions as I just haven’t seen them enough, but I get your point about how they probably would have been on the board longer,,,,but actually you never know as the trend was, as you said, to go after the speedster/athlete and preferably a tall one. Onumono in an interview one can see on the Breakers facebook page with all 4 first rounders talked about how she hates just being thought of as fast. She thinks she has a good soccer IQ. I hope she’s right.

          • #1Fan

            All fast players hate that ! Thing is the technical and tactical side of the NWSL is not at the stage where mistakes are so few that you have to go out and create. You can sit back and counter with speed and be successful. Players like this may very well be effective. I think you do see the consequences f this when you watch the US play a decent organized defensive team. Leicester caught the PL by surprise playing this way to a degree, but the evolution is rapid. Look where they are now. Its interesting that in the CL they have still managed to catch teams by surprise.

          • DNG

            With regards to Leicester and even the USWNT to some degree. When you become better as a team, other teams take different approaches when playing you. PL teams have basically told Leicester they can have the ball and dared Leicester to break them down. The US coaches and their players need to adjust to this like you have said on numerous occasions. Certain teams are not going to let the US counter them to easy wins any longer

          • DNG

            I think we’ve talked about this as well but the US should still have the personnel to field a pretty balanced squad even if their technical depth is pretty low. I want to see how/if the team changes over the next 2 years. If they really do want to change the make up of their team now is the time to do it.

          • Breakers fan

            If you are fast and quick then you *should* take advantage of that asset you have over most other players and do it as often as possible. Why wouldn’t you? I’m sure you agree with that. And when you are fast and you move it’s going to look a certain way. Different from other players. Faster! And when moving faster than others ongoingly down the field I think there’s more room for error, technically, just due to the speed that is happening as that player moves. Using Crystal Dunn as my “spirit animal” here,. Moving that fast and just keeping control of the ball is to me very technical if the player does it. And like I said, it will come with more errors than someone moving markedly slower trying to do the same thing. That fast player is trying to get by opponents and go at goal – the ultimate objective. I’m not saying those players shouldn’t put in long hours trying to become better technically. They should and maybe they do. I’m not running surveillance on them, have no idea what their training consists of. My point is that in trying to use speed as an advantage, which is something they should do and I’m sure their teammates, coaches and fans appreciate and thank them for as it is aiding their team to win, it’s not always going to work. I’m trying not to make excuses for errors they may make but to some extent explain them – they’re doing everything faster, so it’s harder – and hoping at the same time that they keep working on their technical skills and realize that “the blow by” as Bill Rafferty would say, isn’t the only way to score, but it sure is a great one too and absolutely just as legitimate and beautiful.

          • Breakers fan

            I will reply to myself here and say that, as you and others have quite correctly said “the ball moves faster than any individual”, so there is a time and place for speed and its advantages but in general you can accomplish more with great team passing and individual ball control, as the Japanese and North Korean youngsters showed us this Fall.

          • DNG

            I am responding to your other comment with a longer response but players that can pull teams out of shape by dribbling with pace and control are special if they can get end product out of it. If you want to play like Japan you need a team full of players that play like that.

          • DNG

            Part of the problem in my view for players like Crystal is that they’ve grown up with too much room for error and it was good enough to get to where they are now. Many do not put in the countless hours of work that a player like Heath or Brian did to develop their touch and technique. As good as Crystal is at taking on she still loses the ball quite a bit due to loose touches which isn’t the end of the world for me. The ability for her to combine with teammates in seams to break down organized defenses is not something I’m sure her or Morgan will be able to “catch up” on. What if we looked at it this way. If Crystal Dunn’s best attributes are speed on the outside and a tenacious work rate/good 1v1 defending wouldn’t the best place for her to play be outside back/wing back? Even the best 1v1 players need help to break down organized defenses playing inside and I just don’t think combinations are Dunn’s, and other players who rely on speed, strengths.

          • Breakers fan

            Good points. First we should admit that we can’t say with any accuracy how many hours Crystal has put in vs. Morgan Brian. Heath does seem like an outlier. Your description of Crystal losing the ball “quite a bit”……i’d question to some extent, how it compares to other players, especially considering the gains she’s trying to make for her team, compared to the much more conservative attempts her teammates are making, generally. But as you said, that doesn’t bother you that much. The team may get the ball right back. For me, with her I just think she’d be good at basically every position, but you make a compelling case for putting her at wingback. I wouldn’t put her at outside back, as good as she would be. As Anson Dorrance said about her “a coach would be insane to play her at defense (compared to where else she could play)” He learned his lesson after playing her there for 2 years even though she won Defender of the Year in the ACC in them. The reason I like her in the middle of the field is that she can create so quickly, either combining, which she does do at times, though it’s not really recognized often, or just get herself open so fast that she’s a great threat to score. More so than just about any other player. It just puts her closer to goal and gives her more room to work with. I like those aspects in relation to her game. She has to keep working on her shooting accuracy but it’s already pretty good and seems to be improving.

          • DNG

            You are right, I am making some assumptions about training. As far as my opinion on Morgan Brian’s technique, I think she’s easily one of the best on the NT. She is very good at turing away from pressure, protecting the ball, and the technique and weight of her passes through traffic is excellent. More than that though it’s her soccer IQ that impresses me the most she almost she almost always makes the correct passes and she can make them under pressure. Crystal’s first instinct is to turn and dribble even when it’s not the best option. I think this affects her combination play with her teammates as I don’t think she’s always looking to them as a first option when she receives the ball. I don’t think she makes the best play as often as some others to but against most opponents it doesn’t matter because they can’t stay in front of her. Dorrance is protective of his players. He has his opinions and I have mine. In his system, utilizing Dunn as an attacker is perfectly fine. In a team like Lyon, I wouldn’t do it. I’d player her at OB or WB there. And I don’t want to make it seem like I’m picking on Dunn. I feel the same way about players like Lynn Williams and Alex Morgan. Obviously not the exact same view and analysis for each as they are all different from on another but I think all three are limited in some key areas. I think it’s great that Dunn and Morgan are going to Europe. Hopefully it gives them a different perspective on other ways in which soccer can be played and they improve as players.

          • Steglitz49

            Methinks you underrate both Alex and Crystal.

          • DNG

            Think whatever you want. My position on both is that they are both good and effective players, but not well rounded at all currently. They can both be rendered less effective by an organized team with good tactics.

          • Steglitz49

            Alex scored against Sweden in play and Dunn was the main threat to the Swedish defense. Many an allegedly more rounded, skillful and complete player failed to do the needful.

          • DNG

            Alex scored a lucky ricochet goal and most of Dunn’s crosses were harmlessly cleared. They played good game but not great at all from my point of view. I don’t think they were clearly better than everyone else either.

          • Steglitz49

            Your point about the ricochet goal is well taken but Alex was alert and put it away. The fact that the goal should never have been allowed because of Pinoe’s foul does not detract from Alex grabbing her chance.

            May memory is that Dunn’s speed and dribbling was a hassle for Sweden as they tired but you may be right about the quality of the crosses.

          • Steglitz49

            Th quality coach always seeks to develop all aspects of her/his players’ game.

            Granted, with a blinding fast player, it is all too easy to neglect the whole skill set but that is on the coach. Maybe a bit on the player who ought to realize that what gets her here will (eventually) not get her there.

          • Breakers fan

            Want to re-ask this as I think you just forgot to answer it: Why do you think Kashimoto wasn’t drafted? Lack of int’l slots available? To me if 1 team had 1 she should have been drafted.

          • #1Fan

            I dont know. From a soccer standpoint she is far ahead of most of the kids that were. I do think that you need a team that has several player of that type to get the most out of them. Its an IQ thing, she is well ahead of the majority of player in the league at playing a pass/move – possession game.

          • Steglitz49

            Your point is well taken. She costs an international slot. Why pick a top of the line Japanese player when you can have some so-so Australians and Brazilians. I forget but don’t Canadians cost you an Intl Slot?

          • Som Termanni

            Canadians only cost an international slot if they also do not have US citizenship. Dual citizenship among Canadians is uncommon, but not unheard of; indeed, Nichelle Prince is a US citizen and therefore doesn’t require an international slot regardless of her allocation status.

          • Som Termanni

            (Note that that’s true regardless of the nation; if a player is a US citizen, regardless of where they live, what other citizenship they have, or for whom they play, they do not cost an international slot in the NWSL.)

          • Steglitz49

            Seeing that the NWSL is a tridentine league established by Canada, Mexico and the US, it is not obvious why the two other member federations should be classed as international.

          • guest

            – allocated players (Canada, Mexico or USA) do not require an international slot – salaries paid by respective federations.
            – for players that are not allocated (so salary is paid by club) international slots are required if player is not us citizen (or does not have a green card) so international slots required for players from Canada, Australia, Brazil, France, Mexico etc…

            MLS has similar rules that limit international player slots with some tweaks when MLS club(s) is located in Canada etc

            a number of the domestic leagues in Europe also have limits on non European (or non UEFA) players, Australian leagues have limits on non Australian players ( up to 4 intl per team in W-league) etc.

            With Mexican federation and men’s Liga MX clubs establishing a new mostly U-23 (but also 2 any age slots per team) women’s league ( Liga MX Femenil ) in 2017 it is looking unlikely that Mexican federation continues to allocate players to NWSL. Already Mexico did not allocate any players to NWSL in 2015 or 2016 so it new Liga MX Finenil gets established as planned Mexico may well drop NWSL.
            For what it is worth,
            this Liga MX Femenil will not initially allow any foreign (non-Mexican) players although Mexican-American (dual citizen etc) players who either play for the Mexican WNT, or are not yet cap-tied by either the USA or Mexico would be allowed.

          • Steglitz49

            The basic problem is US labor laws. Maybe the NWSL should have been incorporated in the Cayman Islands or Panama?

            As regards Europe, there can be no limit on players from other EU countries following the Bosman ruling. Free movement of labor and all that.

            In WoSo it varies a bit but most, though not all, federations apply some limits to non-EU players, usually max 3 or 4.

          • Breakers fan

            When you say “All fast players hate that!” do you feel with most of them they are right to feel it’s an unfair characterization of them? That most *are* more than that and that they get simplified to too great a degree? Probably have to go case by case, impossible to generalize.

          • #1Fan

            i think at the higher levels it is almost always an unfair characterization. Even I use it at times, but what I mean is that her speed is the only asset she can use reliably to be consistently successful. Thierry Henry was fast, but he could do so much more. On the girls side, speed can carry you so far that the positive re-reinforcement kids get stops them from doing anything else until its too late. This may be a stretch, but I think that Alex Morgan is going to OL becasue she can, but also becasue she realizes that her speed is not enough anymore. I think Dunn is doing the same thing. They both want to get better at the game. They are both more than speed, but its the No1 thing they rely on and to be the best you need more. I actually cannot recall Morgan really beating a defender with her close control. Im sure its happened, but its usually a push and run,

            Hope I answered your question

          • Breakers fan

            I think that’s right about Morgan and Dunn. Not sure about all Morgan goal instances and how they happened. And well-said about a problem in our youth game in this country- the emphasis on winning that can lead a fast player to not work hard on her other skills.

            In the end, they’re out there working on their games,your daughter among them, working hard and we’re sitting at computers commenting on, critiquing them. That’s every fan. I just think it’s important for we fans to keep that in mind. THEY, their work, keeps us “in business”, keeps us entertained, happy in this part of our lives.

          • Steglitz49

            I disagree. he is not right about Alex and Crystal. Instead, he is biased against them.

          • Steglitz49

            Alex Morgan is going to Lyon because they fork over 25,000€ a month and give her the chance to win the Champions League.

            If money was not in the equation, she might have looked at Man City because in theory it would give her a bite at the FA Cup as well as the Champions League.

            As for Crystal Dunn, why not play a season for a glamor team like Chelsea Ladies. Might win the FA Cup or even do the Double if not Treble with them.

          • HOFCToDi

            It’s all about the midfield. The USWNT is migrating to a younger central midfield for calendar year 2019:

            Killion
            Mewis
            Brian
            Horan
            Lavelle
            Sullivan

          • Steglitz49

            Do you think Sullivan will return? I know Casey made it back via 2 seasons with Avaldsnes but Casey has some special attributes and she made the Starting XI of Toppserien so she had the campaign medals, not just the scars of valor.

          • HOFCToDi

            One other point. I don’t understand why the NWSL Season starts in mid April when the MLS Season starts the first weekend in March. More games equals more experience.

          • Steglitz49

            Availability of pitches and stadiums to play in? I guess.

          • Steglitz49

            There are fast players and there are complete players. By complete I mean that they have the triad of acceleration, ball-skills and vision.

          • Steglitz49

            The obvious example in WoSo is Sweden in the OG-16 QF. It is fresh in memory so why not use it?

          • Steglitz49

            Kashimoto is Japanese so needs an international slot, unless I have misunderstood. Else, pure prejudice?

          • guest

            although Kashimoto registered for NWSL draft (so she is eligible to play and technically could get pick up through Discovery process) there was pre draft speculation that she would return to play in Japan

          • Steglitz49

            Maybe she will play in Europe, like Kumagai, Utsugi, the Nagasato sisters, Otaki, Ando and Ohno etc

          • JL

            International players tend to get bypassed because they take international spots, and most coaches prefer to use those spots on players that are more experienced.

          • Breakers fan

            Thanks, I think that’s absolutely right for the most part. I think this player has enough experience. She’s I think 6 or 7 years on from being the Japanese U17 team captain. Check out her clips on youtube if you’re interested. Archetypal great small Japanese ball-control, smart player. Serina Kashimoto.

            Hey, how about our gal going #1??!! Any coverage of it in the Enquirer?

          • JL

            So happy for her! There was a small part of me that was hoping she would drop to #2 so the Courage could take her, but I’m not too mad about a local being the #1 pick. And there were a couple of pieces on the Enquirer’s site about it.

          • Breakers fan

            I’ll check the Enquirer, thanks. Were you rooting for the Courage because it would be closer to maybe go see a game or because they’re a better team at this point?

          • JL

            I picked the Flash as my team to support before the 2013 season began, and I’m sticking with them now that they’re the Courage.

          • Breakers fan

            Cool, thanks. I like the loyalty. What are they gonna do with all those forwards, do you think? Will they try to convert some to a different position?

        • Maybe they figure that technique can be taught. Speed isn’t something you can learn, it’s just something you either have or you don’t.

          • Steglitz49

            Hear hear! Though it is acceleration you need in soccer — stealing that yard or freeing yourself with a sudden burst.

          • #1Fan

            it can be taught , but at this stage its very unlikely.. You can use speed in a system. Speed is also measured very simplistically. there are slow player who play very fast becasue they let the ball do the work,

          • rkmid71

            Was Cruyff fast? Let the ball do the work AND think faster AND have the first touch/ball control. A physically fast player that takes 3 touches to control the ball is actually slow.

          • Breakers fan

            All of these observations are excellent. All I’m adding about quickness/speed is that it’s an asset for which there is no substitution in certain situations that arise and it, largely alone, assuming the player has other skills, can lead to goals that would not have happened had that player not been that quick or fast. I expect you to agree with this, I just want to point out that you hope to have on your team some players with this asset, as it may lead to more goals for your team that wouldn’t have happened otherwise. You shouldn’t mold your team around the asset, just be glad when it comes into play for your benefit. Again, not a controversial statement being made here.

          • Steglitz49

            It is needed at all places on the pitch, not just in forwards and strikers.

            That is why defenders who have relied on their acceleration, like Rampone and Brunn, when they lose their edge look ordinary.

          • Steglitz49

            Johan had blinding acceleration. He also had superb ball-skills and vision.

            Marta is the nearest in the ladies game.

          • rkmid71

            He had you fooled. You thought he was fast because he started running before everyone else. At least that’s what he said.

          • Steglitz49

            I suggest you look at those grainy old b&w videos from before WC74, like 1970-73. His acceleration was something else.

            Johan went on to be one of the true great managers, like Nisse Liedholm. They not only impacted how soccer was played but gave us a string of acolytes, adepts and players — not least Liedholm.

          • rkmid71

            I trust in Cruyff. He said “Speed is often confused with insight. When I start running earlier than the others, I appear faster.” Of course, he also said “If I wanted you to understand, I would have explained it better.”

          • Steglitz49

            Johan was known for his Delphic utterances and bizarre sense of expression.

          • Guest

            Cruyff is right. Look at a hockey player like Wayne Gretzky, an average athlete in a ridiculously fast sport. The reason Gretzky was so good was because he could anticipate and read the plays faster than anyone else, had great hand and awareness of everyone around him.

          • #1Fan

            so we agree.

          • Steglitz49

            Semantics, as usual

          • rkmid71

            Technique can be taught, but by college age it’s marginal improvement — it takes many many hours with the ball and youth is the easiest time to do that. There is also technique in speed/acceleration. Every player can improve though as you say within in certain genetic factors.

          • HOFCToDi

            Money
            Coaching
            Scouting

            topdrawersoccer.com/the91stminute/2016/10/the-la-galaxy-just-made-a-bit-of-girls-soccer-history-in-the-u-s/#more-42494

      • atalba

        She said 80% speed and strength and she was well aware of what that meant, and she knew it was the right decision. Looking at Shaffer and MDH, both good players, but don’t have the athletic ability to stand up to a “faster” game.

        On and on about speed and strength being short-sighted; enough! The coaches and analysts agree – give it up! These all are talented players with excellent technical skills. No hypocrisy here! This is the American advantage and will continue to be.

        It’s great to see Tierna Davison added to the senior camp! 5-11 fast and growing in strength. She is the best DM behind AndiS. She has great skills, size and speed.

        Keishia was the best potential pick in the draft because she is clearly the best player coming out of college (Quinn vs. Buchanan. hah!). And as Aly said, Lawrence probably would have gone #2. Add Jordan to the top as well without uncertainty. The coaches and teams know they were the best player PERIOD – and they have speed, size, and skills. Give it up!!!

        • rkmid71

          “Quality without results in pointless. Results without quality is boring.” Right now, the U17s and U20s (over and over) are not getting results AND its boring. And they’re getting schooled and outshot by huge margins against less athletic teams like North Korea and Japan. Or getting beat by more athletic teams like Ghana. NWSL is not getting many fans (except in Portland) and as a result most players get paid nothing. The USWNT didn’t look good in OG against Colombia or Sweden or France. This American advantage doesn’t seem like much of an advantage these days. NWSL is kind of like a women’s version of MLS. More people watched Frosty the Snowman instead of the MLS Cup. People want to watch the Euro leagues. I would be trying something different.

          • HOFCToDi

            Good luck trying to overhaul soccer at the grass roots level. Jurgen Klinsmann tried and failed miserably after five years.

          • rkmid71

            I think you’ve pointed out that in soccer there is just not enough money in the system in the United States to effectively change things at grass roots level. I’m kind of hoping Barcelona takes over one of these teams and shows how it can be done — the types of players it drafts, style of play it demands, marketing, etc etc. I would watch and go to games.

          • HOFCToDi

            Don’t kid yourself, soccer is not even as popular as softball.

            2015-16 High School Athletics Participation Survey

            nfhs.org/ParticipationStatistics/PDF/2015-16_Sports_Participation_Survey.pdf

            Reference Ten Most Popular Girls Programs

          • HOFCToDi

            Cable Sports TV Ratings for Sunday, 5 June 2016

            sportstvratings.com/nascar-sprint-cup-pocono-giants-cardinals-mexico-uruguay-lead-cable-sports-tv-ratings-for-sunday-june-5-2016/5173/

            Check out the 1:00 PM time slot, USA Soccer Women versus College Softball World Series.

          • rkmid71

            Softball over double the ratings … and that was USWNT vs. Japan.

          • HOFCToDi

            The USA experienced one the most successful Summer Olympics in its history.

            en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_at_the_2016_Summer_Olympics

            You really think the IOC gives a damn about US Soccer?

          • Steglitz49

            Yes. They have a reputation to defend. Indeed, they just lost it in 2016.

          • HOFCToDi

            Softball is back for the 2020 Summer Olympics.

            en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Softball_at_the_Summer_Olympics#Re-inclusion_on_the_Olympic_programme

          • Steglitz49

            Softball is big in Japan and it is traditional to allow a couple of sports in which the host country can do well. WoSo joined in Atlanta in 1996 and there are examples from LA in 1984 and before that.

          • atalba

            Real Madrid just announced a women’s club with higher total salaries than the rest of their league. For women, they will never compete with ours.

          • HOFCToDi

            The LA Galaxy just made a bit of girls soccer history

            topdrawersoccer.com/the91stminute/2016/10/the-la-galaxy-just-made-a-bit-of-girls-soccer-history-in-the-u-s/#more-42494

            MLS is the sole savior of WoSo.

          • atalba

            Many ECNL teams have backed off from the DA. LA Galaxy already has affiliations with youth clubs. They may provide free local soccer leagues, but it won’t likely be for their DA teams, and it’s certainly not for the clubs that work with them already.

            You follow their philosophy, wear their logo, call yourself Galaxy, and PAY THEM HANDSOMELY, and you too can be affiliated with them.

          • Steglitz49

            Are you typing about BroSo or WoSo?

            The US’s achievements and contributions to WoSo are second to none. What has happened is that the ROW is catching up but also that the wealthy clubs are pouring money into the ladies. Not a lot but more than enough.

            The USs strength has been the NCAA. That is why it is so surprising that the U20 and U17 are struggling. In fairness, the U20 made the SF where they lost to the ultimate champions by the narrowest of amrgin, a single goal, and they had drawn with the other finalist.

            No need to panic — yet.

          • rkmid71

            The bit about Barcelona was WoSo. The other applied to both. ROW is catching up because the US continues to stand still. Re: U17 and U20, it wasn’t so much the result that’s the most bothersome, it’s the way they lost and how they played. The U20s may have made semis, but not in any kind of style, getting outshot by huge margins. It would have been almost impossible not to qualify for the knockout round. The most positive thing I could say is that the effort seemed to be there. But it looked like a bunch of square pegs in round holes (which is on the coaches), not much teamwork, etc, etc. I refuse to believe that was somehow the best players, the best TEAM we could have put together or the best coaches that we have. I’ve seen many players in the U20 age group and I know it’s not true. And it’s happened repeatedly. We’ve got to get some people in there soon that know what they’re doing.

          • Steglitz49

            The Barcelona story is true but I wonder how serious they are about it. It would be following the Man City model as they have applied it in Australia. But that is Australia and this is the USA.

          • atalba

            Boys and men are completely on different plane than girls and women. They don’t compare when it comes to popularity and ability. Girls soccer is getting the better athletes, with volleyball right up there. Boys are not, and won’t, not even after American football is banned.

          • HOFCToDi

            USSF has implemented cut backs on training camp:

            Senior USWNT
            2015 – 21 days
            2016 – 17 days
            2017 – 12 days

          • atalba

            NWSL definitely has more talent than any other league. The top 4 in Germany and top 2 in France could beat any of them on any given day, some of the time. But the NWSL is far more balanced with an aggregate of better players.

            We could see Renard in Orlando, now that’s she’s been bumped off her perch.

          • rkmid71

            Regardless which league you think has more talent, they’ve got to figure out a way to put a better product on the field. Doing more of the same isn’t a solution. Even the USWNT can’t seem to do it though people show up because it’s our NT. A slower, less skilled version of men’s soccer is not going to do it. Even women won’t go watch the games. It’s kind of fun to watch the Japanese run circles around other teams and the Brazilians with their flair. I’d like to see a few NWSL teams try to compete with those different styles and draft players accordingly..It seems so generic, boring at the moment.

          • atalba

            Women not watching the game is cultural and a huge problem. I’m not sure there’s anything in the short-term that can change that. I content the US women’s game is as close to an American sport than anything. In my opinion, the speed of plsy, size, and athleticism couldn’t be more entertaining. We have advantages that place our women’s team at number 1. I’d take top 3 anyday. If you’re a women’s team and you average 5′ nothing with squatty legs, then tiki-taka must be your style. I’m very happy it’s not ours. I enjoy the women’s game.

          • HOFCToDi

            WoSo is not close to an “American sport”. Soccer is a niche sport in the United States.

            en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_professional_sports_leagues_by_revenue

          • atalba

            For women only. For our women, we have an advantage that the development can play to: speed of play; speed, strength, and size. We don’t have to play anybody else’s style. We have an advantage and we have youth participation and development. We have a much larger pool of athletes. This is what I mean. The women can play American soccer and win. I’m really glad we can.

          • HOFCToDi

            Two women’s professional soccer leagues have filed for bankruptcy within the last twenty years. Meanwhile, the WNBA recently concluded its 20th season.

          • atalba

            Billionaires run the NBA. The WNBA women are the best in the world. They’ve been able to sustain their league with the help of the NBA, where the average salary is $6m/yr, with a new CBA pushing it to $9m/yr. The women get chump change. Thankfully, their season does not overlap with Euroball, where most split their time. The NWSL must go with it on their own merit; impossible until proven otherwise.

          • HOFCToDi

            Chump change? What would you call the average NWSL salary? How about south of the poverty line?

          • atalba

            Agreed, but without the infrastructure and financial backing of the NBA. Michael Conley of the Griz probably makes more money than the entire WNBA. They’re a rounding error.

          • HOFCToDi

            Beg MLS for a buyout. Otherwise, live with the reality.

          • JL

            And how many years did MLS lose millions and millions of dollars while trying to get established? They only survived those early years because Lamar Hunt and his buddies were willing to lose insane amounts of money to keep it going until it could survive. Why is it okay for them, but not the NWSL?

          • atalba

            I can only hope some millionaires step up. Companies like Facebook and Google should sse the value in promoting women. They do a horrible job wither balance, and can’t seem to fix it. I say expand their presence with exposure outside of Tech and education: women’s sports. A dream!

          • HOFCToDi

            The oxygen on Planet Denial must be awfully thin.

          • atalba

            I believe it’s more dream than reality, but there is merit for tech companies to push and support women’s sports. Their record for hiring women is atrocious. In my mind, there is transfer of a brand that has presence in women’s endeavours.

          • Steglitz49

            How about Victoria Secret, Procter&Gamble or Niemann Marcus?

          • guest

            maybe the women targeting billionare oprah winfrey will see the value and invest in a women’s sports team.

          • rkmid71

            I was thinking the same thing re: Oprah. There are plenty of women billionaires — like some in the Walmart family. It would be peanuts to them. You don’t even need billionaires. What’s holding them back? They don’t like sports or soccer?

          • Steglitz49

            It could be a mixture of reasons and excuses.

            They could simply not care for soccer. Women tend to gravitate towards figure skating and horse riding, even some of the other winter sports like the ski disciplines. Tennis and golf, too.

            They may view WoSo as a white upper-middleclass hobby. The draft this years broke new ground but WoSo is still a game for the loaded.

            The return on any investment is likely to be zero for a long time. Sponsoring is difficult because WoSo collects so little money at the gate.

          • rkmid71

            Billionaire’s don’t really need a return on investment. They just need to protect principal. I would buy a pro team in a good market (or relocate if necessary, probably California but maybe NYC area) — they can’t be that expensive at the moment. I might splurge and pay some int’ls (do my best to get Marta and maybe some Swedes or other Brazilians she wants to play with). I would try to trade to get some USWNT or NWSL players that I think would fit and like playing with and complement Marta and are capable of playing an exciting maybe even jogo bonito style. I would set up a development academy (hopefully blessed by USSF) and make scholarships widely available on a needs basis. I would aim for diversity in my team and use that as an example to the youth teams. I would hire the best coaches for my youth teams. I would splurge a bit to get a top notch marketing guru. I wouldn’t let USSF interfere with the team (assuming that’s possible) on how the coach selects players for roster, what positions they play, who he/she starts, etc etc. I might see if Pia or Pellerud want to coach. And so on. A billion $ is a lot of money. You can’t take it with you.

          • mockmook

            You are limited in what you can pay a player like Marta at this time because of the NWSL salary cap.

            So, it isn’t a simple matter to create a “dream team”.

          • rkmid71

            I might have to hire you as GM to make it happen?

          • mockmook

            You might 🙂

          • Steglitz49

            Billionaires could own NWSL teams. They don’t. The odd millionaire, maybe.

          • guest

            the women promoting billionaire oprah winfrey prefers real estate investment at the moment.

          • Steglitz49

            It is up to WoSo players to persuade her otherwise. Why should Oprah invest in a white woman’s sport — white upper-middleclass to boot?

            Maybe now with Crystal at Chelsea, and Kadeisha and Lawrence in France, and not least Margaret Purce being picked in the first round and from Harvard to boot — not forgetting Kayla Milss, Darian Jenkins, Ifeoma Onumonu and Mandy Freeman. 5/10 in the first round. Oprah might by into that.

          • guest

            it is rumored the mls offered to partner with the wusa women’s league back in early 2000s. the womens league preferred to go it alone. we know how that turned out.

          • Steglitz49

            Then why did it go so pearshaped in Brasilia? Sweden has the population of NJ or MA. CA has more than 3 times Sweden’s population. The US is 30x more populous than Sweden.

            Get a grip!

          • Steglitz49

            Yes and no. All things are relative and all politics is local.

          • HOFCToDi

            Entertaining?

            The U-17 USWNT and U-20 USWNT were far from entertainment. Embarrassment would be a better description.

          • atalba

            Watch college soccer instead. Very entertaining.

          • HOFCToDi

            FIFA does not dole out World Cup Trophies for college performance. IOC does not dole out gold medals for college performance.

          • atalba

            Truly another American treasure. I counted 53 or 55 teams out of 64 in the tournament with foreign players on the rosters.

          • HOFCToDi

            An American treasure …….

            2016 Calendar Year
            U-17 USWNT
            U-20 USWNT
            Senior USWNT

            Louis Friend

          • atalba

            Have a good night!

          • Steglitz49

            Hear hear! The failure to attract women aged 18-30 to WoSo matches is a nut that must be cracked.

          • Steglitz49

            Please explain how and why getting players past their prime and on the downward slope to the NWSL counts as an achievement and endorsement of the quality of the NWSL.

            The NWSL may well be more balanced than other leagues but with both Ms Buchanan and Ms Lawrence going to France before the draft and Alex and Crystal going abroad, it suggests that the NWSL has issues.

    • guest

      Shaffer being picked up by FCKC probably will be a good fit for her

      • Bruce

        Love her vision, but really wouldn’t be surprised if she doesn’t make the roster.

    • #1Fan

      UVA players suffer form being compared to what has gone before in recent times. People say shes good but shes not Brian. Shes good but shes not Sonnett. I also think that UVA do not tend to recruit or produce kids who cannot play a passing/possession style. Some of these kids do not stack up athletically vs some of the other higher picks. In terms of ability to play and integrate with other good players though, no kid comes out of a school better prepared than they do. MCNabb has had a history of injuries and Shaffer is underrrated imo. I

      • Breakers fan

        Do you watch UVA a lot and closely? If so, curious to hear your take on Meghan Cox, please.

        • #1Fan

          I do. The problem in watching them is that they play a very patient style. They play the way I enjoy so I tend to overrate the players on a relative basis. I like Cox a lot. Very smart player and would do well on a smart team. You could say that about 80pct of the UVA roster. I think they have the best coach/teacher in the Womens game and it shows in the way they try to play. If UVA had a real goalscorer this year I think they would have gone to the C Cup.

          • Breakers fan

            My guess is that Cox will go to an open tryout and catch on with someone. I wish the draft were at least 5 rounds. Can’t believe the Breakers took Dowd over Cox. But I think I’ve got it figured out. He has in his mind an absolutely clear picture of how many slots he’s allocating to veterans and he knows who those veterans are; and rookies. And the number for rookies is 5. NOT 6. Not even competition to make the team. Vets should be happy.

            Agree with you from what I know and have seen – about Swanson. I always enjoy watching them play.

          • Steglitz49

            Cox ought to test the waters overseas. Why languish in the NWSL when she could have fun abroad while augmenting her CV.

          • mockmook

            Don’t think it was an absolute number.

            He said he anticipated the late picks would end up on the Reserve Squad, so he went local. A local player can stay at home and be fed.

            I’d still pick based on need and best available player — if the draftee doesn’t pan out, so be it.

            If necessary, build the Reserve Squad from locals who go for open try outs.

          • Breakers fan

            At one point I heard him say specifically “I’d like to get 4 players out of the draft”. Very specific number. And then they worked hard to get rid of draft picks which indicates they were trying to keep the number down, significantly. So the question is “why only 4 when you apparently need a lot of help – last place team who, in addition, after the year, lost about their best 5 players (Pathman, Schillgard, Mewis, Kallman, Engen). Why would you just want 4 players with all those great picks and a strong draft class? It violates logic. But that’s basically what they proceeded to do, to the extent of passing on probably the best defender in the nation. My explanation is this: He felt indebted to, had led a certain number of players from last year to feel they had a job for this coming year. Rightly or wrongly promises were made to “x” number of returnees, and have been kept. Loyalty at a high level was demonstrated, at the expense of even bringing in more draft picks. Now we move on and go with the players he’s cast his lot with in 2017. He made the calls on the Breakers draft.

          • mockmook

            “I’d like to get 4 players out of the draft”

            Then he did a piss poor job because he got 6

            When I hear that statement, I hear, “I hope AT LEAST 4 of these picks make the team” or “start for the team”

          • Breakers fan

            He made that statement a few weeks before the draft, not after. And I took it to mean “4 field players”, — leaving the GK area as a sort of separate category. So all the shedding of picks in the final week and during the draft aligned with that fundamental approach of “less”, rather than “more”. After the draft I agree with your interpretation. The gist of what I’m getting at is that he had a plan, the plan a sort of minimalist approach to acquisitions, and he stuck to it, and it was due I think to the explanation I gave. Time will tell if he is accurate in his vision of the team.

          • mockmook

            BTW, just to make it “official”, with the way the draft played out, here is what Boston should have done:

            01 . Breakers — Lavelle ( M ) – Wisconsin
            03 . Breakers — Mills, K ( D/M ) – USC
            08 . Breakers — Driesse ( M ) – PSU
            09 . Breakers — Proffitt ( D/M ) – Marquette
            31 . Breakers — Prudhomme ( GK ) – USC
            38 . Breakers — Kolander ( F ) – Minnesota

            People would have been singing songs about the midfield and defense of the 2017 Breakers for a thousand years…

          • Breakers fan

            Thanks for that vision. I don’t know 3 of them – Driesse, Proffitt and Kolander (though she was in a game I saw – but I just didn’t play close attention) so it’s hard for me to really comment on your overall picks though I certainly see where you’re going with it. Gotta wonder if Kolander = Onumonu? Time will tell. Mine would have been: Lavelle, Jenkins, Freeman, Atanda, Erin Smith or Meghan Cox, Mimi Rangell. Though in reality I wouldn’t have done the 8 and 38 for 12, 16 and 21 so add another pick and I’ll grant him his choice of Onumonu or Purce (some amount of assumption they would have still been on the board) or I take the other defender from Smith or Cox or possibly McNabb. Then immediately after the draft I’m on the phone to pursue GK Prudhomme (if she wasn’t taken), Harris of UNC, or I’ve heard Hannah Seabert of Pepperdine was really good. I’m going with Westphal as my DM – showing faith in her. “You’re my DM”.

          • mockmook

            “You’re my DM”

            I like your loyalty. 🙂

            But, oh, what could have been:

            http://drawformation.com/post/587ea80a75283/sm-587ea80a75283.png

            (Like Mama said, “Always cry over spilt milk”)

          • Breakers fan

            That formation and lineup is very intriguing, I must say.

            In the cosmic universe of complete awareness and knowledge one of Christen W.’s goals this year is to win your affection back.

            Did you figure out my unnamed pick? Think *land of the rising sun*. And my little midfield rules the NWSL.

            The crying is being executed here too, but it must stop at some point.
            Engen is not coming back, i’d bet a good amount of money on that.

          • mockmook

            Hey, W made it as a CB in that formation!!!

            But, yes, she does need to redeem herself to me.

            Also, I think I have your “unnamed” pick 🙂

            Anyway, this may be more palatable:

            http://drawformation.com/post/587ec09cec195/sm-587ec09cec195.png

          • mockmook

            BYW, in my formation, I’m assuming Engen isn’t coming back.

          • Breakers fan

            Wait, it would have been 2 more if that other trade wasn’t made. For my other pick see my strong day before draft discovery.

          • Breakers fan

            Meant the 2 Chicago trades – the #11 pick trade on draft day and the 12, 16, 21 trade.

          • Steglitz49

            The French like their players judging by where Ashley and Kadeisha ended up.

          • rkmid71

            I would bet that the USWNT roster would look a lot different with Swanson as HC.

          • #1Fan

            Im going to make you a bet that one of the U17s in U23 camp stays on with the full team. 🙂

          • DNG

            I think you’re already right. I read an US Soccer article today that Ellis called up Pinto. Sanchez was called up last year I think.

          • #1Fan

            Seen her play a lot. I really dont understand the rush. My own view is this does not help the kids at all. In fact I think it hurts them

          • DNG

            I think I am mostly in agreement here by the way but I think it was Pugh that said training with the NT in January one year kind of opened her eyes to the reality of how she needed to train. Maybe there is some value if done correctly. Still I question Ellis’ constant need for 11v11’s all the time in camps. And If she needs more bodies for camp I think those players should primarily come from the NWSL.

          • #1Fan

            i can’t agree. If you are telling me that she can’t get that WITH THE U-23s then we have SERIOUS problems

          • DNG

            Maybe they can and maybe there are serious problems with the U team. I don’t know as I have no personal information. This was Pugh’s opinion so maybe it has merit and maybe it does not, again I can’t know for sure. I would rather the team only call up players who have earned it but sometimes it’s more difficult to judge. I think you said you had a friend who claimed Morgan Brian should have been a full team player at 18. How do we know she earned it if she hadn’t played in college yet? How should we evaluate her at 18?

          • #1Fan

            im not talking about Pugh. Im saying that Pinto could not have gotten that from a full week with the U23s with Ellis in attendance ? Is there a need to do a full camp str8 after? A friend, yes, but also the coach of the U17 and U20 NT. So someone who had seem all the players.

          • #1Fan

            We can go back and forth on this but this is not a 16yr old Lionel Messi who is a pro. This is a 16 yr old school girl who has many many opportunities ahead IF handled properly. I think it is irresponsible. I really hope it works out.

          • DNG

            I think your point about school is fine even if she was a female Messi. Outside of lucrative sponsorships there really isn’t much money in women’s professional soccer. I think I agree that there is no need to call a player to a U23 camp one week and then bring them to the full team the next week. That seems a little like overkill. If they thought they were actually good enough they would have been called into the full camp to begin with. You are probably right about there being little benefit being at both. You have more information on that than I do.

          • DNG

            And I don’t really know much about Pinto I haven’t seen her play too many times so I’ll defer to your judgment on her specifically.

          • #1Fan

            Another point I would make is you now have to fire BJ Snow, because if we are saying he had Full NT talent on his team and got that little out of them ….

          • DNG

            I think they need to fire Snow because he severely underperformed and the team didn’t look good. Being serious for a second I’m not sure any player in the U20s or the U17 looked like full NT players. While Pugh has shown she can play with the team I think she is pretty clearly still developing. I think there are some positives and negatives to calling up kids this young and some before they earned it. The potential positive is that the younger players find themselves a good mentor who can help them progress as players. The potential negatives is they may not have actually earned that privilege yet and there might be some others more deserving.

          • #1Fan

            i really cannot think of one in this case. She has just been honored with a U-23 camp. Is there a need to follow that immediately with a full camp? As I said, I relay done see the rush for a kid getting ready for SATs, school and all sorts of other important things. It makes NO sense. Its not like she was outstanding in the Wc.

          • DNG

            The school thing for the U17 players makes sense to me and I agree that if they are still in HS they should not be missing close to a month of school for a January camp.

          • JL

            They may not be physically in the classroom, but players in high school often do online work when they’re with the NT.

          • Steglitz49

            Verily. The German federation and most European federations provide teachers to help the girls with their studies when they are called to camps and competitions. Maybe they do more online work these days.

  • Forgedias

    So 3 defenders got picked in the first round and Boston who had 4 picks in the first round did not pick a single one. Not something I expected.

    So that was a big surprise for me. Another was seeing Jane Campbell get drafted by Houston who have Lydia Williams and Bianca Henninger on their roster. That kind of blew my mind away. Why unless they have a plan already in place but keeping 3 keepers on a limited roster isn’t the best use of resources in my opinion.

    The two teams that I thought would draft keepers were Skyblue and the Breakers. And they did so something I expected did happen.

    Savannah Jordan dropping all the way to pick 18 means she most likely will be playing in Europe. I think too many teams were too scared to use a pick and then have her head to Europe. Only Portland with that stacked team could use picks that way.

    My pick on who did the best in the draft is Skyblue. Picked up 2 great defenders in Mills and Freeman, then picked up Sheridan who I thought was the best keeper in the draft and then picked up 2 forwards in Tiernan and Meehan. Real solid draft for them.

    Even though I thought Boston should of at least drafted either Mills or Bauer with their 3rd pick, they did get a good crop of players. Rose Lavelle being that center piece. Morgan Andrews is going to be helpful and getting Prudomme who I thought was the best Pac12 keeper this year is huge. Not sure about their forwards since they could of gotten Rachel Hill or used a pick to take Jordan even though she may or may not play for the NWSL. With the forward draft this year being thin, I thought I was worth it since Jordan was dropping in the draft.

    North Carolina I thought had a so so draft. I was not impressed with the way they drafted. They should of picked up Mills or Bauer for their second pick and paired with Dahlkemper, they could of had a dominant pairing, although they did get Claire Wagner so we will have to see if that works just as well. I don’t understand why they had to pick even more forwards for their loaded forward corps. They lead the league in goals. More defensive help or midfielders would of been the better bet.

    Over all since this draft was mainly about what the Breakers were going to do and next year will be Chicago’s turn. My belief is that both Sheridan and Prudhomme would become starters for their respected clubs. Lavelle and Andrews are going to be starters. I don’t think any of the forwards including Hatch will become permanent starters until they season up. I think there will be a lot of rotations used to figure out what the teams have in them.

    Bauer and Mills have a good chance to become starters right away. Depending on whether Kennedy returns at North Carolina, Wagner might become a starter. Unless something changes at Houston, Campbell will probably have to be a bench player for now.

    • Constant Weeder

      The Flash, now Courage, led the league in goals, but I’m not sure how much that proves, since a lot of their goals were against the league’s worst defense.

      • guest

        well that league’s worst defense did nothing today to get any better

      • Forgedias

        And with them playing more games against their regional rival with how they pair teams together. They played Boston more then any other team. Your point is quite spot on.

      • Steglitz49

        WNY won the Championship. That is the only thing that matters, the only thing that counts — except if you are Carli Lloyd and you get a second world POTY award!

        • Constant Weeder

          As you have said many, many times without making it either more or less true.

          • Steglitz49

            You can win a final by one goal. Sometimes it needs a pso.

            Thus it does not matter how many goals you score during the season it is the relative goal advantage during the play-offs that count.

          • Constant Weeder

            My comment was in the context of how successful their draft was. Scoring a lot of goals last year against Boston doesn’t mean it’s foolish to try to improve their offense.

    • mockmook

      Looks like Jordan will play at least half of the year in Europe,

      SBFC was doing so well, but then they passed on all of these for a mediocre Forward:

      Shaffer ( M ) – Virginia
      Dougherty-Howard ( M ) – Florida
      Driesse ( M ) – PSU
      Castleberry ( M ) – UNC

      They NEEDED that AM

      Yeah, they did get Atanda — maybe she’s better than any of those, but I doubt it.

      And, they were able to get a Forward anyway with a late pick..

      • Steglitz49

        Bonjour Driesse, as in Bonjour Tristesse?

    • Steglitz49

      Has Jordan announced a foreign team yet?

      I expect her to get playing time at Portland so if her ruse was to avoid being picked by a team that she did not care for, her gambit has worked.

      • Montpelier is the rumor.

        • Steglitz49

          You may well be right though I find that hard to believe. They just signed Stina Blackstenius and they already have Sofia Jakobsson and some other talented forwards.

          I would have bet on PSG or St Etienne but how about one of the German clubs?

          • Som Termanni

            Montpellier was enough of a rumor that the draft analysts were discussing it on air. Aly Wagner called them “not one of the top teams in France”.

          • Steglitz49

            Before Lyon and then PSG started to spend money on WoSo, Montpellier was the top cub.

            Montpellier won the French league back to back in 2004 and 2005, and also the French Cup 3 times and since been the losing finalist 5 times including the last 2 (2015 & 2016).

            Only Lyon has been more successful.

      • guest

        i contend that if jordan doesn’t play in europe this year like she says and plays for portland instead then the nwsl needs to investigate the portland thorns for market manipulation and make changes to future draft rules.

        • Steglitz49

          Unless they used e-mail, how will you ever know?

  • mockmook

    This draft showed why Chicago and FCKC have been so consistent and the rest of the league bites.

    Grouped by team:

    01 . Breakers — Lavelle ( M ) – Wisconsin
    03 . Breakers — Andrews ( M ) – USC
    08 . Breakers — Onumonu ( F ) – Cal
    09 . Breakers — Purce ( F ) – Harvard
    31 . Breakers — Prudhomme ( GK ) – USC
    38 . Breakers — Dowd, H ( F ) – Boston College
    15 . Dash — Campbell ( GK ) – Stanford
    28 . Dash — Prince ( F ) – OSU
    33 . Dash — Smith, E ( D ) – Rutgers
    05 . FCKC — Gibbons ( D/M ) – Duke
    13 . FCKC — Payne ( M/F ) – Duke
    17 . FCKC — Ribeiro ( F ) – UConn
    25 . FCKC — Shaffer ( M ) – Virginia
    35 . FCKC — Beal ( D ) – Minnesota
    02 . NCFC — Hatch ( F ) – BYU
    07 . NCFC — Jenkins ( F ) – UCLA
    20 . NCFC — Wagner ( D ) – Clemson
    27 . NCFC — Johnson, J ( F/D ) – Nebraska
    22 . Pride — Evans, D ( F ) – Colorado
    32 . Pride — Driesse ( M ) – PSU
    11 . Red Stars — Vasconcelos ( M/F ) – BYU
    12 . Red Stars — Proffitt ( D/M ) – Marquette
    16 . Red Stars — Johnson, K ( F ) – USC
    39 . Red Stars — Kaskie ( M ) – UCLA
    06 . Reign — Bauer ( D ) – Stanford
    26 . Reign — Ship ( F ) – Cal
    37 . Reign — McNabb ( D ) – Virginia
    04 . Sky Blue — Mills, K ( D/M ) – USC
    10 . Sky Blue — Freeman ( D/M ) – USC
    23 . Sky Blue — Sheridan ( GK ) – Clemson
    24 . Sky Blue — Tiernan ( F ) – Rutgers
    30 . Sky Blue — Atanda ( M ) – Clemson
    34 . Sky Blue — Meehan ( M/F ) – Boston College
    19 . Spirit — Agnew ( F ) – OSU
    29 . Spirit — Dougherty-Howard ( M ) – Florida
    36 . Spirit — Castleberry ( M ) – UNC
    14 . Thorns — Hill, R ( F ) – UConn
    18 . Thorns — Jordan ( F ) – Florida
    21 . Thorns — Lussi ( F ) – Princeton
    40 . Thorns — Flynn ( M/F ) – Nebraska

    Look at how balanced the KC and CRS drafts are — a little of everthing.

    The other squads squandered numerous picks on Forwards.

    Look at what the Thorns did!!!! NCFC isn’t much better.

    I’ve already addressed the Breakers

    And, WTF seattle — you just lost two of the best midfielders on the planet and you don’t try to get even one replacement?

    • Rdalford

      check draft pick #16 – you have right player but wrong team
      Seattle traded with Chicago so Seattle drafted Katie Johnson with #16 pick

      No. 16 – Seattle Reign FC: Katie Johnson (USC)

      • HOFCToDi

        You can’t help the illiterate.

      • mockmook

        Thanks, I corrected it, but people will have to refresh to see it.

    • Aron Kaufman

      I agree with all of this except with Nairn, Fishlock and Utsugi, that’s a very strong midfield.

      • Steglitz49

        Hear hear. They did not need midfielders this time.

      • romel dias

        and they have the likes of Elston and Bev with experience in that midfield!

      • Alex25

        Also worth adding that LH likely has some overseas signings up her sleeve yet.

      • mockmook

        “Nairn, Fishlock and Utsugi”

        I don’t think that will be their midfield — and even if it is, it can’t hurt to have some player(s) challenging for starter or just for depth.

      • mockmook

        OK, I take it all back.

        I guess that will be their midfield, because they have no alternative!!!

        I thought, surely, they have other options, but, no.

        WHICH IS WHY THEY NEEDED TO DRAFT A MID (or two)

        Even if the draftee(s) didn’t start, you need the depth.

        This is what the Reign could have done — it would have given them incredible flexibility in the back and the mid fields — and you get some target Forwards like you wanted:

        06 . Reign — Freeman ( D/M ) – USC
        16 . Reign — Johnson, K ( F ) – USC
        26 . Reign — Driesse ( M ) – PSU
        37 . Reign — Kolander ( F ) – Minnesota

        Anyway, at the moment, here are your new Reign:

        http://drawformation.com/post/587bc427be94d/sm-587bc427be94d.png

    • Steglitz49

      Your point about KC success is well taken but, with all due respect, I put it to you that Chicago has been a relative failure.

      The other take home message, reinforced by Margaret Purce, is how high the standard of WoSo is at top academic universities. Of the less academically strong, Clemson seems a standout in this draft.

    • Breakers fan

      Were you able to see the whole thing unfold in real time, even if behind live time?

      I went through the wringer for those 5 hours. Just gonna wait and see what he does with the team. Like you I felt it could have gone significantly better for them. They gambled on giving up 3 picks to get pick #8 and I don’t think it panned out like they were hoping.

      • mockmook

        Haven’t watched the beginning yet, was able to follow the first two rounds on twitter.

      • mockmook

        Watched/listened to the last two rounds

    • Breakers fan

      Your impressions of Chapman on the Dash last year, please? Anyone feel free to chime in on that. Thanks.

      • kernel_thai

        Feisty defender who can get up and down the flank.

        • Breakers fan

          What does “Fiesta” here mean? I’ve never heard that word in relation to soccer.

          • mockmook

            He changed it to “Feisty”

      • mockmook

        I like Chapman.

        Good, but not spectacular. Should be good enough to be needed on the un-reinforced Boston back line 🙂

      • Alex25

        Pacey, hard working, aggressive. She’ll definitely give 100% for the team. However she has quite poor positional sense and is not that great on the ball. She’s definitely an improvement on what Boston had at the back end of last season though.

    • DNG

      In the case of the Thorns it would seem like Parsons is already happy with the depth in his squad and their starting XI was already set for the most part. I’m not sure I agree but after Mills, Gibbons and Freeman were taken there didn’t seem to be any Defenders that were rated high enough to justify taking them over Hill/Jordan(don’t know about Lussi) and their midfield is already loaded. I think he likes Brrnjarsdottir(CM/F), Boureille(CM), Morris(OB), Shim and Johnson(OB). The only real queston for me is CB depth by my guess is that they plan to use Reynolds as a back up CB in case of injury to Sonnett or Menges.

      • mockmook

        You still take the best players available and see if they surprise you — or, at least, put them on the practice squad. And, a thing known as injuries happens.

        BTW, a practice squad of all Forwards is not any good.

        • DNG

          I think he thinks that’s what he did with the first two at least. I don’t know enough about the Lussi and Flynn to really comment. I wonder if he sees Mallory Webber as an OB as oppose to a wing. She was used there a few times last year during the Olympic period. Hill fills a need for wide attcking depth and Jordan could easily be a natural successor to Sinclair who has already started to slow down in my opinion. So on the whole I think their draft was fine but not the best. SBFC CHI and FCKC all had excellent drafts by comparison. The Thorns seem to have the ability to lure WC internationals unlike most other NWSL teams at the moment so they still have that advantage for the time being.

          • Steglitz49

            Many teams in the NWSL has had its internationals. How good you consider them to be is another question — not just Portland. Seattle, for example, has or had Kawasumi, Utsugi, Little and Fishlock, though of those only Kawasumi and Utsugi are WC internationals ….

            The harsh reality is that the salary cap and limited international slots take their toll, not least when clubs in Europe can pay.

    • In the Thorns defense, they don’t need to add much. And I like their approach of adding Jordan with knowing she will miss the 2017 season – and more than likely will get her back for 2018 when Sinc will more than likely be going to a Vancouver expansion.

      • mockmook

        I’m perfectly fine with taking a chance with Jordan — it’s all the other picks.

        It’s as important to try to upgrade or push, say, a DM as it is to upgrade/push a Forward.

  • FawcettFan14

    Another impressive draft for Kansas City: Gibbons, Payne, Ribeiro should all make . the roster. Shaffer was touted as a first round or early second round pick by some, she has a shot. Rashida Beal I have no idea about.

    Vlakto always makes good picks.

    If Leroux and A-Rod can remember how to play soccer, they could be playoff bound again.

    • Breakers fan

      Rashida Beal was I believe 2nd team All-American – that speaks very highly of her. And she has about 30-40 minutes of clips of her playing over the last 2 years split between 2 videos on youtube if you care to see her in action. I was hoping the Breakers would take her, based on the admittedly pretty small amount I’ve seen her.

      • Steglitz49

        It just shows how hard it is to assess these young players. Even those drafted at #30 or later would stand a good chance of playing for NTs that qualify for the WC.

        In a sense I find the attitude of this batch a bit odd. They seem ill advised because their chances of ever playing for the USWNT in a serious competition is close to zero. Why waste your precious playing-time on the NWSL? Why not go abroad? After all, for your post-WoSo career you need as strong a CV as possible.

        Granted many of these players studied at top universities so their degrees are worth mega but adding spice to your CV never did any harm.

  • FawcettFan14

    Let me get this straight. WNY/NCC already had McDonald, Williams, Doniak. They signed Debinha and Rosana, both offensive players. Now they draft Hatch and Jenkins! I guess they are going all out with offense, trying to outscore everyone.

    • Constant Weeder

      Sounds like it might be Riley’s team after all, doesn’t it?

    • guest

      it’s the american way.

      • rkmid71

        I’ve got no problem if it works. But for our U17s and U20s it hasn’t been working out so well. They were outshot by a huge margin. Or the USWNT during the 16 yr WC drought. And if I recall, we leaned heavily on the defense for most of the 2015WC.

        • Steglitz49

          Both Rosana and Debinha played for Avaldnes in the Westland in Norway, where Casey Short and Adrianna Franch were also Madelin Schiffel.

  • Steglitz49

    It is fascinating to see how different the round #1 picks look from the USWNT. It is quite striking.

    • guest

      You might as well tell us, since, being from Sweden, you claim expertise in matters of race.

  • kernel_thai

    Really confused about Houston taking Campbell. This would be the type of move u might expect with larger rosters and the ability to develop players.

    • mockmook

      Commentators and coach hinted that L.Williams might not hang around.

      • Steglitz49

        Where is she going? Leaving WoSo for her real career?

      • Som Termanni

        I expect Sanderson to follow. Unlike most of the newly-minted Courage players, she’s not said one good thing to say in public about NC or the new owners, had that weird reaction to their roster page glitch, and called out HB2 as a safety issue for LGBTQ players.

    • mockmook

      But, like you, I still would have taken other players based on need.

      The one saving grace, Campbell might be allocated — FREE!!!

      • Steglitz49

        Verily — but why? on what grounds?

      • If she is allocated before the season starts, I would say we have problems. Like Steg said, on what grounds?

        • guest

          that would be another sonnett deal. they should have to prove themselves in the nwsl first and earn the allocations.

          • Yes, completely agree.

          • Steglitz49

            I never understood how Sonnett got her deal. This time round the top brass are more hard-nosed. At the same time, I think Jordan’s gambit paid off: she got to Portland and not somewhere else.

  • A_Dog_Without_A_Clutch
    • mockmook

      Are you high? 😉

      To begin with, they almost certainly drafted Proffitt to be a DM

      • A_Dog_Without_A_Clutch

        Oh, I don’t doubt that Dames will riggedly stick to 4-4-2 diamond. Yet in my alternate universe, Proffitt is converted to defender. From what I’ve read, she probably not to cover a lot of ground as would want my CDM would need to.

  • john

    Do the Boston picks say something about Beard’s faith in his pre-draft forwards?

    • Steglitz49

      Purce won the best dressed on the night award. Do you know who her designer was? Maybe just an off the peg H&M outfit? Would be nice to know who designed it, though.

    • Alex25

      They have some potentially good forwards but Dowie is the only one I’d say is a sure thing to perform. Haavi looks a good player but will have to adapt to a new country and league, as well as missing half the season. White has some talent too but wasn’t a prolific scorer in the FA WSL, 4 in 30 something games if I recall correctly. Ratcliffe didn’t show anything special last year. Simon has shown her quality for AUS but hasn’t done much in her previous NWSL seasons.

      I think he was right to strengthen the attack, whether he picked the right players to do that remains to be seen though.

      • mockmook

        He was right to add to the attack, but with all those picks, he shouldn’t have neglected defense.

        • Alex25

          Yeah, probably shouldn’t have traded away the 11th pick, could have either got a defender there or used an earlier pick on a defender and then picked his last forward with that. But the rosters aren’t done yet, he might still have a plan to strengthen his defence via trades or internationals.

  • john

    Another draft that leaves this Spirit fan underwhelmed. Not sure they helped themselves anywhere on the field. Happy to be proven wrong!

    • Yikes. Is anything the Spirit are doing these days helping themselves?

      • Steglitz49

        They could not stop Kim going back to Arsenal but they could find a replacement.

        • The Spirit or the Reign?

          • Steglitz49

            My edit is stuck in the EQ’s computerized monitoring system. It means that it will never be approved because that system has no immortal eye to frame the comment’s fearful symmetry.

            In short, I corrected myself by typing that “I thought I was commenting on Seattle but got it wrong. [expletive deleted]”

    • Breakers fan

      Castleberry and Dougherty-Howard i think will help you, at least a bit. Feel a bit stronger about Castleberry. Don’t know Agnew at all but she was your 1st pick so that speaks well of her just on that basis. That said, I hear you – not terribly exciting but they didn’t have good picks of course.

      • john

        But did they address their most pressing needs? So you feel their last pick was their best pick – maybe not what one would hope for. I know of Castleberry, but have to say she didn’t stand out to me when I watched UNC last season.

        • Breakers fan

          I don’t know your team well enough. What are their most pressing needs? And who are the midfielders against which these 2 will be competing, besides Kristie Mewis? Is Matheson returning? My thought with “improvement” was a pretty incremental one.

          • john

            You touched on part of the problem. Canada hasn’t announced their placements yet, but do have a retirements announcement set for today. Lohman & Huster are key parts.

          • guest

            tanc is retiring/retired

          • john

            Who will Americans love to hate?

          • Steglitz49

            Hedvig Lindahl?

          • HOFCToDi

            John Herdman will have to find another goon.

          • Steglitz49

            Lyon no doubt will grind and file away the rough edges on their diamond Kadeisha but maybe Zadorsky can be his new enforcer? Ms Zadorsky is tall and strong enough and has the campaign medals.

          • john

            Midfield is probably their strength. Need keeper cover and both the back and front line are different with post injury levels still to be determined for a few players. I really expected them to take 1 of each.

          • mockmook

            Midfield is not their strength. Important mids are old or missing.

            But, you also had the opportunity to add a different type of target forward, Kolander (who is superior to Stengel, IMHO).

            As the draft played out, here is who they should have taken:

            19 . Spirit — Driesse ( M ) – PSU
            29 . Spirit — Kolander ( F ) – Minnesota
            36 . Spirit — Castleberry ( M ) – UNC

            Driesse can play CAM or DM/DLP

            Castleberry is rock solid — she can play anywhere in the midfield. Bonus, she has track speed.

            Huster can cover anywhere on the backline if necessary.

            And make sure these players show up for tryouts if you want to address RB:

            Byorth, G ( D ) – Clemson
            Cox, M ( D ) – Virginia
            Levin ( D ) – USC
            Raben ( D ) – Duke

          • Steglitz49

            Ms Kolander can go and play a season for Bayern Munich. Then we can compare.

    • mockmook

      Here is how they could line up (if the “Spirit” moves them)

      http://drawformation.com/post/587b050873a6b/sm-587b050873a6b.png

      • Steglitz49

        Please can you spell Ms Mewis name correctly. The joke is wearing thin. (Anyway, I am told that the correct plural would be Mewids.)

  • guest

    what two nwsl teams right now are the favorites to make it to the 2017 nwsl finals?

    • DNG

      Assuming FCKC gets Arod and Leroux back I like Portland and FCKC. I expect Houston and NC to be good as well

    • guest

      CRS, Portland

    • mockmook

      SBFC and CRS

      Both will have impenetrable defenses and just enough fire power to dispatch opponents.

      (FCKC might sneak in if Barnhart can remain healthy)

    • mockmook

      It will be the Light Blue Cup…

  • john

    Question for the group – what should Carolina do with their surplus keeper? I was expecting one to be packaged in a draft day trade. After the draft who still needs keeper depth?

    • mockmook

      What’s the rush?

      Let them hire a coach first and let them decide who s/he wants to keep.

      • john

        B/c someone might have bit on a draft day trade. There are only a few clubs with a strong keeper need left and they can just wait for Carolina to release the surplus keeper. I guess it’s possible they’ll use a roster spot on the 3rd or hope she’ll stick around as a reservist, but the move might play into that.

        • mockmook

          They may have tried for a trade

    • guest123

      Dan L’s tweet might answer your question.

      https://twitter.com/TheDanLauletta/status/819989512226885632

      Also, Laura Harvey was one of the coaches in the recent U23 camp. She had an advantage in taking a good look at the players she picked in the draft (eg., Maddie Bauer).

    • Trade with Sky Blue?

  • So how would we rank the teams by draft class? Who did the best? Who did the worst?

    My top 2 would be:

    FCKC
    Sky Blue

    • Bruce

      Strictly looking at players drafted, I’d flip the order.

      If you considering the fact that CRS walked away with four 2018 picks, including a first and two likely high second-rounders, they might bump FCKC down a spot.

      Losers: NCFC, Boston.

      • Crazy that a lot of people are ranking Boston with one of the worst drafts. 4 top 10 picks and they couldn’t crack the top half of the draft day winners? Are they just an organization always doomed for failure?

        • Bruce

          Two first round picks that are far from sure things (Onumuno and Purce). Didn’t address top priority (defensive deficiencies) at all. Inexplicably gave away the #11 pick for a future ~#18 and international slot.

          • Yes, I agree with you. Which is why it’s so concerning. I sadly never have confidence in that organization to make solid choices. They are basically the anti-Portland.

    • mockmook

      I’d go with SBFC as best (honorable mention for the Pride’s measly two picks)

      NCFC as worst (honorable mention to Portland for similar one track mentality)

  • Guest

    McDonald, Williams, Doniak, Sanderson, Debinha, Rosana, Taylor Smith, Hatch, Jenkins —– all for 3 forward spots……why

    • Steglitz49

      I read it that the Brazilians are crowd-bait and probably came cheap. GWFM IOW.

  • Bruce