Carli Lloyd repeats as FIFA World Player of the Year

The Equalizer Staff January 9, 2017 368
Carli Lloyd becomes the second American to win back-to-back FIFA Women's Player of the Year awards. (Photo Copyright Patricia Giobetti for The Equalizer)

Carli Lloyd becomes the second American to win back-to-back FIFA Women’s Player of the Year awards. (Photo Copyright Patricia Giobetti for The Equalizer)

United States and Houston Dash midfielder Carli Lloyd was named the 2016 FIFA Women’s World Player of the Year on Monday at the Best FIFA Football Awards Gala in Zurich, Switzerland.

Lloyd wins this award for the second consecutive year, becoming the second-ever United States player to win this award twice in as many years, after Mia Hamm completed this feat in 2001 and 2002. Lloyd captained the United States women’s national team in the 2016 Rio Olympics this past summer where the team was knocked out to Sweden during the quarterfinal round. It was the team’s earliest exit from an Olympic tournament making it a disappointing result for the team who, one year earlier, won the 2015 FIFA World Cup title in Canada.

Lloyd, who looked a bit surprised herself to hear her name called out, praised her fellow nominees on stage before thanking her teammates and coaching staff. “I wouldn’t be standing up here without the help of my teammates. Thank you Jill and the coaching staff for believing in me,” she said on stage, “Thank you to my teammates. I play with some of the best players in the world, competitors – they push me every day.”

Towards the end of the acceptance speech, Lloyd looked ahead to what’s to come. “Now here’s to 2017. Gotta start prepping for 2019 World Cup qualifying.”

Lloyd led the team in points in 2016 with 45, after 17 goals and 11 assists in 21 games throughout the year- one goal shy of her 2015 goal total.

In April, Lloyd suffered a knee injury in a Houston Dash game that at the time, many worried may have put her Olympic hopes in jeopardy. After taking 2 months off, she returned to USWNT action ahead of the July 9th friendly, just one month prior to the start of the Olympic Games.

 Lloyd’s Houston Dash missed the playoffs for the second consecutive year as they finished the year with 22 points, two spots clear of the bottom of the NWSL table.

Lloyd beat out Brazil forward Marta, who has won the award five times and German midfielder Melanie Behringer- the top scorer at the Rio Olympics- for the award.

Earlier Monday, Silvia Neid was named 2016 FIFA Women’s World Coach of the Year after bringing the gold medal home to Germany at the 2016 Rio Olympics. This is the third time Neid was named FIFA Women’s Coach of the Year (2016, 2013, 2010).

Silvia Neid goes out with Rio Gold Medal and FIFA Women's Coach of the Year Award (Photo: Canada Soccer)

Silvia Neid goes out with Rio Gold Medal and FIFA Women’s Coach of the Year Award (Photo: Canada Soccer)

“I’d like to seize this opportunity to thank the team and the team behind the team”, she said on stage “for 34 years working for the women’s national side and all of those incredible moments I was able to achieve.” The 2016 final in Rio was her last game as national team coach and she will embark on a new journey in a new role as head scout for the women’s department for the German Federation.

  • Joe

    She wasn’t even POY in the USA. How much can you ride a hat trick from the WC?

    • Som Termanni

      Apparently further than Jill Ellis and her “undefeated” season.

  • Reality

    Now they’ll never get rid of her.

    In other news, the CONCACAF awards voting just concluded…Ellis and Lloyd did not win…

    http://www.concacaf.com/awards

    Female Coach of the Year
    #1 – Amelia Valverde – Costa Rica – 66%
    #2 – Jill Ellis – United States – 24%

    Female Player of the Year
    #1 – Tobin Heath – United States – 42%
    #6 – Carli Lloyd – United States – 2%

    Female Best XI – Midfielders
    #1 – Tobin Heath – United States – 56%
    #4 – Carli Lloyd – United States – 7%

    Female Best XI – Forwards
    #1 – Christen Press – United States – 51%
    #2 – Alex Morgan – United States – 42%
    Carli Lloyd correctly classified as not in forward category.

    Voting protocol here…

    http://www.concacaf.com/how-to-vote-concacaf-awards-2016

    • Guest

      You are an idiot if you think the CONCACAF awards are a legit thing. But as a part of the pressgang you would latch onto that. It’s a bunch of fangirls voting for the couples (Press/Heath and Harris/Krieger). On what planet does Harris or Krieger win anything this year for international play? They didn’t even get minutes. Same with Press until the late year tomato can matches.

      • Volley

        As I understood it the award is not solely for international play.

        • JL

          It counts both club and country.

          • HOFCToDi

            The NWSL has its own separate awards.

      • HOFCToDi

        Calendar Year 2016
        USWNT
        Minutes Played
        Solo – 1501
        Naeher – 495
        Harris – 270

        ussoccer.com/womens-national-team/stats

      • HOFCToDi

        Calendar Year 2016
        USWNT
        Minutes Played
        Sauerbrunn – 1897
        Klingenberg – 1562
        O’Hara – 1467
        Johnston – 1345
        Krieger – 792
        Engen – 507

        ussoccer.com/womens-national-team/stats

      • HOFCToDi

        The Costa Rican players looked “really good” in the 5-0 drubbing during the group stage of the 2016 CONCACAF Women’s Olympic Qualifying Championship.

        Even Christen Press scored a garbage time goal against Costa Rica during the group stage of the 2016 CONCACAF Women’s Olympic Qualifying Championship.

    • DNG

      I dont hold much stock in those awards either. Too many voters don’t care enough about the sport.

      • Reality

        Awards in general do not necessarily reflect merit for a particular time period. They often are based on popularity and ignorance. However, I think the CONCACAF rewards are revealing in their indications of both popularity and merit as compared to the FIFA awards.

        • DNG

          How do you explain Harris winning keeper of the year then? For me at least, there is too much noise in the voting for me to take them seriously. Even NWSL awards were not great for me.

          • Reality

            It was a mixed bag to be sure in terms of results, but the CONCACAF awards I cited above certainly present a marked contrast to the FIFA awards in regard to Ellis and Lloyd.

          • DNG

            The concacaf site allowed users to vote more than once. I am unsure if there are more to those awards than just the fan component. I would guess the results you posted are only a piece

          • Reality

            The voting protocol was …

            http://www.concacaf.com/how-to-vote-concacaf-awards-2016

            “In each category, a list of nominees has already been determined through voting of Technical Directors from each of CONCACAF’s 41 Member Associations and the CONCACAF Technical Study Group, which analyzes tactics and rates performances at all official CONCACAF tournaments.

            Fans can have their say in the voting by visiting the fan voting page on CONCACAF.com, available here. Media should cast their ballot via the dedicated link to be sent separately to media members on CONCACAF’s distribution list.”

            Caitlin Murray of Fox Sports gives her point of view here…

            http://www.foxsports.com/soccer/story/carli-lloyd-uswnt-fifa-best-player-2016-surprising-head-scratcher-010917

            “…it seems more like Lloyd is still riding the success of her spectacular 2015, and there are several candidates who could’ve easily taken the award instead.”

          • wake up

            Lesbian fangirls are the biggest enthusiasts of the sport. Harris is a hot lesbian. WoSo fans live for Krieger and Harris. And now, Press and Heath.

          • Steglitz49

            From a marketing point of view, there are a lot more heteros to market to.

          • guest

            Notice I said “enthusiasts.” People with invested interests in these stupid awards? It’s not kids or their hetero parents. It’s their passionate superfans who will vote multiple times.

          • Steglitz49

            Accepted. Also, frequently they don’t bother to go to the matches because it is inconvenient, too far to travel and too expensive, not necessarily in that order.

          • DNG

            My question was rhetorical. I am just going to label them as fans though and fans more often than not vote emotionally as oppose to rationally.

          • USMNTfan4life

            This is totally true. They make up the largest share of WoSo fans, along with older, creepy men and men who have been totally emasculated by their wives. This type of dude goes to WNBA games too! 🙂

    • Som Termanni

      Left off: Ashlyn Harris won GK with 54% of the fan vote, as per usual.

      • Reality

        I was specifically addressing and comparing the results via FIFA with Ellis and Lloyd but I posted the links so that all the results could be perused.

      • Paul Klee

        This is just the fan vote, right? It will likely change when media input is factored in?

        • Reality

          Since the official announcement has not yet been made by COCACAF, it is unclear whether or not the media vote is already built in. However, it is interesting to note that in the breakdown of the FIFA media vote for Lloyd as POY, only 6 of 55 sports journalists picked her as their first choice.

          http://resources.fifa.com/mm/document/ballon-dor/playeroftheyear-women/02/86/27/15/faward_womenplayer2016_neutral.pdf

          • DNG

            I counted 11 out of 108. Did you round?

          • Reality

            Thank you. I must have scrolled too fast. 🙂

            I recounted and it is 11 out of 106 first place votes among the media or 10.37%…not exactly a mandate.

          • DNG

            106 total is correct and yeah it’s definitely not a mandate. Like I wrote in a comment above. There are just too many voters that don’t watch enough women’s soccer and they should not be able to vote.

          • Reality

            What criteria would you apply that would render someone eligible to vote?

          • DNG

            I would think about limiting it to women’s soccer journalists that cover the sport year round.

          • Reality

            I think that awards serve a number of purposes. First, of course, is recognition for outstanding work. Then there is the associated publicity that will hopefully bring increased interest and attendance. It is also an opportunity for participation through voting which provides a sense of involvement and gives a relative indication of both merit and popularity. If it were just limited to women’s soccer journalists that cover the sport year round, it would represent more of an “inside baseball” approach that might be more accurate in recognition of performance, but also could limit involvement, publicity and participation by the masses who after all are responsible for supporting the sport.

            There is no question that the protocols for determining winners can be improved and perhaps standardized so that meaningful comparisons can be made.

          • DNG

            If you want more involvement they can just make a separate award. The other option is that they stop pretending that the FIFA women’s player of the year is an award that means something. I’d be fine with either. What is not okay is the farce of a voting system currently used pretending that the award actually is actually important.

          • Reality

            Most people who are knowledgeable about sports can put these awards into perspective and appreciate their true worth or lack thereof. However, it is still very frustrating to see superior performance go unrecognized or worse be ignored and high name recognition individuals receive acclaim when it is not deserved but merely the result of ignorance and apathy. There is no perfect solution to awards. What should be kept in mind is that valuable advice of…

            Consider the source.

          • DNG

            The problem is that this is coming from FIFA. The organization who considers itself one of the biggest leaders in the sport. The entire presentation around their awards suggest that this is important and should mean something. The voting process gives the impression that not only does FIFA not care about this award but that many voters don’t care about it either.

        • Reality
    • HOFCToDi

      Sunday, 21 Feb 2016
      TSG announces CWOQ Best XI, Awards
      ussoccer.com/v~13.17/~/media/images/wnt/gallery-images/2016/02/160221-wnt-v-can/photo-gallery/160221-wnt-vs-can-photo-gallery19.jpg?h=600&w=786&la=en&hash=BF5ABEEA5BE7034EF13FA4F320F9E7BB8E549331&yocs=6_&yoloc=us

      concacaf.com/article/tsg-announces-cwoq-best-xi-awards

      By the way, Christen Press is not on the list.

      Christen Press is the quintessential international fraud.

      4 years (2013, 2014, 2015, 2016)
      78 caps
      2 head coaches

      Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

      garbage time
      prima donna
      selfish shot hog
      tomato cans

    • HOFCToDi

      Friday, 11 Mar 2016
      Morgan, Solo and the USA Sweep Awards at 2016 SBC
      ussoccer.com/v~13.17/~/media/images/wnt/gallery-images/2016/03/160309-wnt-v-ger/160309-wnt-vs-ger-gallery20.jpg?h=559&w=800&la=en&hash=B1A7B6E0C01C796F4C31CF422F0CC370A4D5CF89&yocs=6_&yoloc=us

      ussoccer.com/stories/2016/03/11/13/17/160311-wnt-morgan-solo-and-the-usa-sweep-awards-at-2016-shebelieves-cup

      By the way, Christen Press is not on the list.

      Christen Press is the quintessential international fraud.

      4 years (2013, 2014, 2015, 2016)
      78 caps
      2 head coaches

      Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

      garbage time
      prima donna
      selfish shot hog
      tomato cans

    • HOFCToDi

      Christen Press
      2016 Summer Olympic Games
      Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 6, Shots on Goal 1
      Penalty Kicks Attempted 1, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

      Christen Press
      2016 Rio Olympics
      12 Aug 2016
      USA 1 SWE 1
      Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 2, Shots on Goal 0
      Penalty Kicks Attempted 1, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

      rio2016.com/en/football-womens-quarterfinal-fb-3

      Christen Press
      2016 Rio Olympics
      09 Aug 2016
      USA 2 COL 2
      Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 4, Shots on Goal 1
      Penalty Kicks Attempted 0, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

      rio2016.com/en/football-womens-first-round-group-g-fb-5

      Christen Press is the quintessential international fraud.

      4 years (2013, 2014, 2015, 2016)
      78 caps
      2 head coaches

      Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

      garbage time
      prima donna
      selfish shot hog
      tomato cans

    • JL

      That’s just the fan vote, which is only 1/3 of the total vote.

      • Reality

        Already been discussed in this thread…see below. Nonetheless, some very interesting results even if just the fan vote.

  • Guest

    The only deserving Americans this year were Tobin Heath (by a large margin) and Crystal Dunn. This voting system is a joke.

  • The Oracle

    Complete joke.

    • wolf

      A bad joke at that.

  • Greg

    Noticed that her WNT teammates didn’t even congratulate her on social media. No one even likes her except Solo.

    • Guest

      Are you surprised? She’s all about herself. They don’t care at all.

    • guest

      did solo or any other uswnt players go to lloyd’s wedding? that might be indicative.

      • anon

        No, not even solo was there. A lot of former WNY teammates though which I thought was interesting. she seemed to enjoy playing there.

        • JL

          The two former WNY teammates, Salem and Reynolds, were also teammates with Lloyd in Atlanta in 2011, and Salem was a teammate of Lloyd’s with SkyBlue in 2010.

        • guest

          that is surprising. not even one uswnt player. maybe there is some tension with hope over hope being droppped from the uswnt.

          • guest

            remember holidays wedding. practically the thw whole uswnt team was there.

  • #1Fan

    FIFA trolling WoSo. Letting you know just how much they watch and how plugged in they are 🙂

    • DNG

      I can’t blame FIFA entirely. They weren’t the ones who voted for Lloyd. They can be blamed for their ridiculous voting system including the short list selection.

      • Lorehead

        They can’t quite be blamed for the votes themselves. That’s on the coaches and captains. But the voting system itself is entirely their responsibility. Do they even send a good summary of each finalist’s accomplishments in the past year to every voter?

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        • DNG

          I definitely blame FIFA for their voting process which is a mess for all of their awards. I don’t understand the nomination process for the short list either or why it is limited to 10 players on the short list.

  • #1Fan

    LLoyd is the best US player of all time .

    • DNG

      It must be true. Now I’m wondering if she can make it 3 in a row.

      • Steglitz49

        Probably. 315m Americans can’t be wrong. Those who dislike WoSo would love to play a torpedo next year again, further undermining the credibility of WoSo.

        • Lindsey

          Except Marta won the fan vote which means that Carli still would have won without the fan vote. So your theory that due to there being so many Americans that will ultimately be voting for the American coach and player has been debunked. Nice try though.

          • Steglitz49

            That makes it even worse, does it not? If the experts — NT captains, coaches and media — can’t get it right, who can?

      • Tom F

        there’s no major tournament out there for the US, so 2017 award probably’s going to who ever is on the winning Euro Championship team.

        • DNG

          How did she win this year? The US were knocked out in the quarterfinals. Maroszan and Behringer both finish well below Lloyd.

          • Tom F

            it might not seem fair to the rest of the world, but to Europeans, winning the Euro Championship is way more prestigious than winning the Olympics. Just look how silly the men’s Olympic tourney is where it’s essential u-23,but then they allow 3 over age participants per team.
            then the other factors(as noted) German had 3 players in the top, yet except for Marozsan, the other two aren’t all that good,; Behringer is a free kick specialist, but ponderously slow in open play & Dabritz is slightly better than average.

          • DNG

            The problem is the voting process itself not the Europeans. Every NT coach and captain gets a vote and who knows how many of non-UEFA coaches and captains will watch the Euros next year. Looking at the breakdown this year and which coaches and captains voted for who makes the problem fairly obvious. Way too many voters don’t actually watch enough women’s soccer. Here’s the voting breakdown and the individual votes.

            http://resources.fifa.com/mm/document/ballon-dor/general/02/86/27/35/thefirstthreeresults_neutral.pdf

            http://resources.fifa.com/mm/document/ballon-dor/playeroftheyear-women/02/86/27/15/faward_womenplayer2016_neutral.pdf

          • Tom F

            I thought the final vote was solely based on all the woso NT captains from around the world?

          • DNG

            Nope and I think we would still see a huge variance and votes based on name recognition if that was the case judging by the captain votes this year in one of those resources above. Anyway here is the voting breakdown from FIFA

            http://www.fifa.com/the-best-fifa-football-awards/fan-voting.html

            It’s 25% Fans, 25% Captains, 25% NT Coaches, 25% Media Members.

        • mockmook

          Shiba Leaves Cup, baby!!!

          And 2017 NWSL Championship!!!

          • Tom F

            the Shiba Cup allows 6 subs and got no over times, plus the Euros came over just to get away from those freezin cold weather, and to party hardy in the Florida sunshine or two steppin in Nashville. Boy their going to be disappointed when they’re stuck playing in a urban decaying town like Chester!

      • guest

        well….we are going to find out. carli lloyd will now be playing all 90 minutes in the uswnt tomato can friendlies in 2017.

    • Steglitz49

      Too true.

      Which explains why 2016 was such a miserable season.

    • Excuses..Excuses

      upvote and LMAO.

      She’s the only player, aside from Marta and Mia to win back to back awards. Carli is the 3rd best women’s player ever!!!!

      And yes, before the fun police attacks, I’m being sarcastic…………..

      • tonysocref

        Brigit Prinz (Germany) won it 3 consecutive years. 2003-2005

        • mockmook

          So Prinz won twice in a row twice 🙂

  • Zone

    To be honest with you all three nominees were crap. Marta seems to get life time nominee every year. Why? The German girl was just decent. Nothing special.

    • Steglitz49

      There were 10 nominees. These 3 are those who got them most votes.

      The order of ranking says too much about WoSo.

      The fact that the list to be voted on was so bizarre gave us an indication that WoSo would be ridiculed by the outcome of the vote. We were not disappointed because WoSo was.

    • The Oracle

      ” The German girl ” Just stop you don’t even know what you’re talking about.

  • Steglitz49

    A black voting result for WoSo. After this outcome it is hard if not impossible to take WoSo seriously. WoSo has been held up to public ridicule. It will take a long time to wash away the stain and it may never go out.

    RIP WoSo.

    • Som Termanni

      Yeah, it’s dead. An ex-sport. You can finally stop following it. You must be relived. Farewell!

      • Steglitz49

        That Silvia Neid won COTY is perfectly reasonable and fair. That the coach who was bested by another coach got more votes than her conqueror is bizarre.

        As for the order of the players, it is an insult to WoSo. It shows how little those who vote care about WoSo.

        The fact that WoSo could not get a list of 10 votable candidates to something approaching reality, shows how little influence those who care about WoSo have.

        • SpiritFan80

          A large part of the problem is the availability to watch women’s teams throughout the world. How many woso teams, clubs especially, are easy to watch live or even re-watch? NWSL games are streamed and then archived on YT. USWNT plays a lot more friendlies than most other NT and games are frequently uploaded by fans to YT. AUS W-league televises 1 game a week and US fans can watch them on ESPN3. For most other leagues, FRA, ENG, GER, I have to try to find shoddy illegal streams or hope someone uploads them afterwards. Most of the time this is unsuccessful. Forget trying to watch smaller tournaments that have lesser known NT’s…… Algarve, Cyprus Cup, etc. Until more teams are available to watch regularly, coaches, captains and media will continue to vote for the people who are the most recognizable to them. This means the US players/coaches and some European ones will continue to get accolades they probably don’t deserve.

          • Steglitz49

            It is an interesting question why it is so hard to watch WoSo and to find out about it from the media.

            Even in the US, where WoSo is popular and tons of young ladies play the game, it is no easier than in European countries.

            Not enough bums on seats. One explanation could be that until people are prepared to go along and watch WoSo matches, it will be seen as a fringe activity, which in some ways it is.

            To get sponsorship there must be more people in the stands and more money from the gate. Once the sponsors are on-board they will demand access to the airwaves. Thus, till WoSo get spectators they will depend on men like Aulas, Akers and Terry to fight their corner.

          • Lorehead

            It would be one thing if the voters were just giving the award to the top scorer in that year’s biggest international tournament, or the one who’d won the most trophies for club and country. They had plenty of chances to watch the Olympics. But voting just on name recognition not only proves they just don’t care, it compounds the problem by letting a few older players hog all the publicity.

            It really couldn’t have been an American this year. The national team had an early exit (more by luck of the seeding than because it was playing badly) and then a team of unknowns and underdogs that I admit I totally underestimated beat them all and won the league. The award should really go to someone who stood out at the highest level. Carli Lloyd, not to put the blame on her, didn’t make it to the semifinals with either club or country, and wasn’t the MVP of either team.

        • CED

          FIFA POTY is a joke for men and women. The mens had idiots voted Kroos, Vardy, Ozil and others who weren’t even best on their team or league as top3 in the world.

    • You can take WoSo seriously, you just can’t take FIFA seriously. They’re the ones who don’t give a crap about WoSo.

      • Steglitz49

        FIFA package the Women’s WC broadcasting rights with the men’s WC because they know that few if any networks would pay for the ladies WC.

        FIFA has supported WoSo in other ways but you must be mindful about the disparity in the financials. — Alex Morgan at Lyon will earn less than 1% of what CR7 and Messi earn basic. Even a fairly mediocre male soccer player earns considerably more than the best female players.

      • Steglitz49

        For completeness, I felt that I ought to add also a bit about the FIFA awards.

        The electoral college for the FIFA awards until this year were the NT captains and coaches and the media. This year a fan vote was added.

        FIFA has a right to expect NT captains and coaches to know their stuff. That should be expected of the media too, but the media clearly care not for WoSo. As for the fans, the fans are the fans.

        What has been criticized was the 10 players listed to be voted on, specifically the exclusion of Ada Hegerberg and Hedvig Lindahl. — I do not know how that committee is constituted today but it used to be mainly French sports journalists and personalities. Maybe it still is. It would explain 2 French players at the expense of others more merited players.

    • HOFCToDi

      No need for you to visit this website anymore.

      Find an European website to troll.

  • ABCDE

    If you need to pick a big name? Better off giving a lifetime achievement award to Sinc. At least her team won a medal and she had a high scoring rate when she actually saw the pitch.

    • Guest

      I think she’s hanging on until she wins one of these stupid things, which isn’t going to happen if it didn’t happen yet.

      • Steglitz49

        If Lyon wins the Champions League we can expect Alex’s name to be on the list and maybe Kadeisha’s (instead of Sinc’s) but Ada may still not get on it.

        If someone else wins the Champions League, Alex may still be on.

        In either case, Carli will be in the votable llist.

        • Som Termanni

          Alex Morgan could do nothing but ride around the edge of the pitch in a cart for the next 12 months and make the shortlist.

          • Steglitz49

            No doubt she has breathed a sigh of relief at not being in the list of 10 to be voted on.

          • Lorehead

            Don’t tempt fate like that.

          • Bruce

            Painfully true. She could easily score just 1/6th of Lyon’s goals (six per game is the club’s current D1 rate) and instantly become front-runner for POTY.

    • Steglitz49

      Big name in what? Player or coach or team coach-driver?

  • Guester

    I want to see how CL10’s bicep compares to CR7’s. The only thing that interests me about that picture.

  • kernel_thai

    If u look at the way the vote broke down, Marozsan and Behringer split the pro German vote, Marta and to a lesser extent Schelin split the retro vote. That left Lloyd with the I only bother to watch the WC vote.

    • Steglitz49

      The fact that 3 Germans were shortlisted may not have been a coincidence as the splitting of the vote did the trick.

  • Steglitz49

    When the ra-ra and whoopla dies down and the dust settles, Carli must be struck by that through winning the POTY this year, the award has been rendered meaningless and her own POTY of last year will have lost its shine.

    It would have been better for Carli’s reputation and the reputation of the POTY, had Carli come second. It would not have mattered which of the 2 Ms had won — whether Melanie or Marta — but this outcome does not reflect well on WoSo.

    The COTY reinforces this message by the way the #2 and #3 panned out. At least there the winner is not controversial.

    Thank goodness for Jean-Michel Aulas.

  • tonysocref

    Suggestion for FIFA.
    Have all the Federations and Confederations announce their POTY’s prior to the end of the year. From these winners, determine the short list for voting for the FIFA POTY.
    It’s a joke when the winner wasn’t even the Federation’s POTY and vary well could end up not being the Confederation’s POTY.

    • mockmook

      And, if the Federations and Confederations use a lousy system to choose their best?

      • tonysocref

        They should all use something similar to what Norway and UEFA used.
        They got it right with Ada Hegerberg.

        Honestly, don’t believe the Coach’s/Manager’s should be involved with the voting.

  • JAMES 18

    WTF?

  • #1Fan

    So if I flipped it around and said that in 1966 Geoff Hurst was the best player in the world because he scored a WC hat trick…..

  • #1Fan

    Being honest this just shows you how far away women’s soccer is from being taken remotely seriously.

    • Steglitz49

      Verily.

      We knew already when the 10 to be voted on was announced. This just rubbed it in.

  • guest

    and still heavyweight champion of the world…….Cristiano Ronaldo!!!!!!!

  • guest

    (Christen Press isn’t that good) (EQ neckbeards go flaccid)

    • HOFCToDi

      Christen Press
      2016 Summer Olympic Games
      Goals – 0, Assists – 0

      Christen Press
      2016 SheBelieves Cup
      Goals – 0, Assists – 0

      Christen Press
      2016 CONCACAF Women’s Olympic Qualifying
      Knockout Stage
      Goals – 0, Assists – 0

      Christen Press is the quintessential international fraud.

      4 years (2013, 2014, 2015, 2016)
      78 caps
      2 head coaches

      Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

      garbage time
      prima donna
      selfish shot hog
      tomato cans

    • HOFCToDi

      USWNT Career
      FIFA Top 10 Ranked Opponents
      USWNT Goals Scored
      Morgan (DOB 02 Jul 1989) – 34
      Leroux (DOB 07 May 1990) – 8
      Press (DOB 29 Dec 1988) – 3

      Christen Press is the quintessential international fraud.

      4 years (2013, 2014, 2015, 2016)
      78 caps
      2 head coaches

      Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

      garbage time
      prima donna
      selfish shot hog
      tomato cans

    • HOFCToDi

      Christen Press
      FIFA Women’s World Cups
      Assists – 0

      Christen Press
      Summer Olympic Games
      Assists – 0

      Christen Press
      CONCACAF Women’s Championships
      Assists – 1 (HAI – FIFA Rank #60)

      Christen Press
      CONCACAF Women’s Olympic Qualifying Championships
      Assists – 1 (PUR – FIFA Rank #108)

      Christen Press
      SheBelieves Cups
      Assists – 0

      Christen Press
      FIFA Top 10 Ranked Opponents
      Assists – 1

      Christen Press is the quintessential international fraud.

      4 years (2013, 2014, 2015, 2016)
      78 caps
      2 head coaches

      Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

      garbage time
      prima donna
      selfish shot hog
      tomato cans

    • HOFCToDi

      Christen Press
      FIFA Women’s World Cups
      Goals – 1

      Christen Press
      Summer Olympic Games
      Goals – 0

      Christen Press
      CONCACAF Women’s Championships
      Goals – 2

      Christen Press
      CONCACAF Women’s Olympic Qualifying Championships
      Goals – 2

      Christen Press
      SheBelieves Cups
      Goals – 0

      Christen Press
      FIFA Top 10 Ranked Opponents
      Goals – 3

      Christen Press is the quintessential international fraud.

      4 years (2013, 2014, 2015, 2016)
      78 caps
      2 head coaches

      Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

      garbage time
      prima donna
      selfish shot hog
      tomato cans

    • JL

      Did you do that on purpose? Now the resident Press hater will just go off about how much she sucks. Thanks a lot.

    • lolllllll

      fyi, Press is very gay.

  • guest

    never again can people say men and women football players do equal work.

  • guest

    i’m surprised carli lloyd didn’t give the fifa award back in protest against unequal women world cup bonus pay to the men.

    • Som Termanni

      Why would she give up a piece of metal worth at least $20 in a pawn shop? She needs rent money!

  • Bruce

    How does this even happen? Jill Stein wasn’t even on the ballot.

  • Ando91881

    The local newsradio station here in the Chicagoland area didn’t mention her name at all at about 5 p.m. tonight when announcing who won FIFA “Player of the Year.” He was going over Blackhawks and Bulls coverage at first, then at the very end he said that Ronaldo won FIFA Player of the year, and that was it. Just an example of how difficult it is for women’s soccer to get any kind of mainstream coverage outside of the Women’s World Cup.

    • Steglitz49

      How much notice has Jessica Diggins, Sadie Bjornsen and Liz Stephen gotten during the past week?

      • Ando91881

        Who the hell are they?

        • Steglitz49

          Precisely my point.

          Among the best X-country skiers in the world.

          I guess the names of Susan Dunklee and Mikaela Shiffrin don’t say anything to you either.

          • Ando91881

            I have vaguely heard of Mikaela Shiffrin. Only heard of Vonn and Shiffrin.

          • Steglitz49

            Mikaela is the greatest talent in alpine skiing since Stenmark. Unfortunately, she lost part of last season because of injury but if she keeps developing as she is, Mikaela will fly past both Moser-Proell and Vonn and almost certainly break Stenmark’s records.

            Mikaela is not just an outstanding skier, she is by all accounts a lovely, generous and charming person. I don’t know whether she is as bubbly as the two Magda’s were or what her hobbies are.

          • HOFCToDi

            No one cares.

          • Steglitz49

            Nobody in the US cares about women in sports.

            They only care about women in sports when they are an extension of nationalism. Maybe there is a transient prurient interest when they drop their kits for the cameras.

          • USMNTfan4life

            If they do, it is on the college level. People have allegiances to all teams affiliated with their beloved schools. Does not translate to pro sports.

          • Steglitz49

            Agreed. Allegiance to ones college lasts long but can be replaced by loyalty to the college of one’s off-springs. I think that was the way that Stanford got its marvelous aquatic center.

      • CED

        More utter nonsense from you. The USA doesn’t care about X-country skiing. There are a small portion that care about alpine and that is only in OG years. The only people that get attention are Vonn, currently out injured, but literally dominated the sport the last 8 or so years when healthy. Even then most americans didn’t really know her till she dated Tiger Woods. Shiffrin is becoming dominate in slalom and possibly GS in the future. But, people have no idea who she really is and have forgotten her OG 2014 exploits and will pay attention for 2 weeks during 2018 OG. Shiffrin has had more success than Vonn had at the same age, however in different disciplines.

        • Steglitz49

          Thank you for reinforcing my point that the USA does not care about WoSo.

          • CED

            The US only cares about the big 4 sports and one could argue really only 3. NHL still draws poor ratings in large regions of the country while NFL, NBA, MLB are tv draws everywhere.

          • Steglitz49

            You keep reinforcing my point. Thank you kindly, sir.

            Our Jessica is 25. She took a gold in the team sprint in Val di Fiemme in 2013 and followed it up with an individual silver in Falun in 2015, only bested by Charlotte Kalla. In this seasons Tour de Ski she won a stage, came second in another and finished 5th overall, beaten only by Weng, Pärmäkoski, Nilsson and Östberg. Well done Jessica!

  • Kevin

    What a complete joke!

    Not sure what else to say other than the voting system obviously needs a complete overhaul.

    • Steglitz49

      The fact that your comment is the 73rd on this topic, shows how far WoSo has to travel to make an impact — at least in the US.

      Are there really so few people in the US interested in WoSo? Some EQ entries have gotten more than 1000 comments.

      • Ando91881

        Right now I would say that in the U.S.A. WoSo is a little bit too much of a country club sport for the average person or someone of average income level to care about. The devoted fanbase is Caucasian people in well educated, suburban, generally more affluent locations that have the resources to pay all of the various club fees for their children.

        You could say that the same thing about women’s golf in this country. The comments section when an American LPGA player does something would have almost no comments. It just doesn’t connect enough with the middle class.

        • Lorehead

          You should visit the fields in Hillsboro or Forest Grove where the Hispanic kids play.

          • Ando91881

            Do we have any data from the NWSL about the racial or ethnic demographics of who attends matches around the country?

            At CRS home games the crowd is definitely less than 1% Black in attendance. However, at Chicago Sky home games 12 miles away the crowd is about 33% Black.

          • Steglitz49

            Does not explain why so few comments on the EQ.

          • Lorehead

            Not that I’m aware of, but you can watch the game-day videos and estimate for yourself. Portland’s the whitest city its size in America. There are people of all races in the stands, but my own unscientific impression is that there are more black fans at a Blazers game than a Timbers or Thorns one, and a lot more out-and-proud lesbians going to see the Thorns.

          • CED

            LOL..You’re trying to compare soccer to bball.

          • HOFCToDi

            The WNBA is more popular than the NWSL in Chicago.

            Calendar Year 2016
            Average Home Attendance
            Chicago Sky – 7,009
            Chicago Red Stars – 3,060

          • HOFCToDi

            US Women’s National Basketball Team
            Summer Olympic Games
            Gold Medal – 1996, 2000, 2004, 2008, 2012, 2016

            nbcolympics.com/video/diana-taurasi-team-usas-gold-bigger-just-medal

            “There was something else we wanted to get across ………..”

          • Steglitz49

            Yawn.

          • HOFCToDi

            Find an European website to troll.

        • HOFCToDi

          Sports Cable TV Ratings for Wednesday, 30 Nov 2016
          MLS Playoffs
          Toronto/Montreal, FS1 – 223,000 viewers

          sportstvratings.com/north-carolina-indiana-sportscenter-purdue-louisville-top-cable-sports-tv-ratings-for-wednesday-november-30-2016/6982/

          Sports Cable TV Ratings for Sunday, 27 Nov 2016
          MLS Playoffs
          Rapids/Sounders, ESPN – 295,000 viewers

          sportstvratings.com/nfl-countdown-nfl-insiders-guadalajara-america-liga-mx-top-cable-sports-tv-ratings-for-sunday-november-27-2016/6961/

        • HOFCToDi

          TV Ratings Sunday

          tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/daily-ratings/sunday-final-ratings-dec-11-2016/

          How dare those insensitive barbarians rule Sunday night television (26.50 million viewers).

          TV Ratings Saturday

          tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/daily-ratings/tv-ratings-saturday-december-10-2016/

          It seems the American public cares more about Frosty the Snowman and Rudolf the Reindeer than MLS Cup Final.

          • Steglitz49

            What is your solution?

            We know the problem and the challenges. What WoSo can do with is some solutions. Either put up or shut up.

          • HOFCToDi

            You have failed repeatedly to produce the attendance figures for the 2016 Algarve Cup.

      • Kevin

        While I agree with your underlying point, basing it’s popularity on EQ forum posts isn’t very relevant, even in comparison to other EQ threads.

        There’s not much to say or debate about on the subject other than it’s a joke she won it. Everyone on EQ seems to unanimously agree on it.

        Until a few months ago, I was in a Facebook group with over 10,000 WoSo fans (almost all American) that were constantly commenting on WoSo. It was extremely active. There were live posts for every NWSL and USWNT game along with many international games and tournaments.

        In the end, I ended up leaving the group because 99.99% of the people in the group weren’t very knowledgeable about the game itself and were just clueless fans (like HoFCToDi), which is fine, but it was pointless to try to have any rational debates or conversations (like with HoFCToDi again). Most of them were cheerleaders of their favorite players or veterans and if any of us would make a comment about Lloyd not deserving PotY they would go apesh!t. But I digress…

        I wouldn’t put much stock into the number of forum post responses on EQ, particularly on a topic in which everyone shares the same opinion, which is rare, but seems to be the case here.

        I almost didn’t bother to post because what else could I say that hasn’t been said. We all know it’s a joke.

        • HOFCToDi

          Christen Press
          2016 Summer Olympic Games
          Goals – 0, Assists – 0

          Christen Press
          2016 SheBelieves Cup
          Goals – 0, Assists – 0

          Christen Press
          2016 CONCACAF Women’s Olympic Qualifying
          Knockout Stage
          Goals – 0, Assists – 0

          Christen Press is the quintessential international fraud.

          4 years (2013, 2014, 2015, 2016)
          78 caps
          2 head coaches

          Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

          garbage time
          prima donna
          selfish shot hog
          tomato cans

          • newsouth

            you’d make a fantastic mother bird, given regurgitation is your specialty

          • HOFCToDi

            Enjoy the goose eggs!

        • HOFCToDi

          USWNT Career
          FIFA Top 10 Ranked Opponents
          USWNT Goals Scored
          Morgan (DOB 02 Jul 1989) – 34
          Leroux (DOB 07 May 1990) – 8
          Press (DOB 29 Dec 1988) – 3

          Christen Press is the quintessential international fraud.

          4 years (2013, 2014, 2015, 2016)
          78 caps
          2 head coaches

          Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

          garbage time
          prima donna
          selfish shot hog
          tomato cans

          • guest

            the WNYF won their first nwsl championship the year after they traded away sydney leroux. that is not a coincidence.

          • HOFCToDi

            The only goal scored by Christen Press at the FIFA Women’s World Cup was assisted by none other than Sydney Leroux. Such ingratitude.

        • HOFCToDi

          Christen Press
          FIFA Women’s World Cups
          Assists – 0

          Christen Press
          Summer Olympic Games
          Assists – 0

          Christen Press
          CONCACAF Women’s Championships
          Assists – 1 (HAI – FIFA Rank #60)

          Christen Press
          CONCACAF Women’s Olympic Qualifying Championships
          Assists – 1 (PUR – FIFA Rank #108)

          Christen Press
          SheBelieves Cups
          Assists – 0

          Christen Press
          FIFA Top 10 Ranked Opponents
          Assists – 1

          Christen Press is the quintessential international fraud.

          4 years (2013, 2014, 2015, 2016)
          78 caps
          2 head coaches

          Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

          garbage time
          prima donna
          selfish shot hog
          tomato cans

        • HOFCToDi

          Christen Press
          FIFA Women’s World Cups
          Goals – 1

          Christen Press
          Summer Olympic Games
          Goals – 0

          Christen Press
          CONCACAF Women’s Championships
          Goals – 2

          Christen Press
          CONCACAF Women’s Olympic Qualifying Championships
          Goals – 2

          Christen Press
          SheBelieves Cups
          Goals – 0

          Christen Press
          FIFA Top 10 Ranked Opponents
          Goals – 3

          Christen Press is the quintessential international fraud.

          4 years (2013, 2014, 2015, 2016)
          78 caps
          2 head coaches

          Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

          garbage time
          prima donna
          selfish shot hog
          tomato cans

        • Steglitz49

          The proof of your experience is in this very string, if proof was needed.

          Let’s trust that this vote and the 2016 and 2017 seasons will one day be seen as a turning point.

          — On the one hand, one hopes that the collective embarrassment over the outcome of the vote will kindle a righteous fire.
          — On the other hand, just maybe those responsible for WoSo may come to their senses and accept that WoSo can’t rely on Aulas, Akers and Terry to rake the coals out of the fire and build the structure.
          — Maybe fans will actually bother to go to matches rather than just think about it.

  • mockmook

    Congratulations?

  • guest

    carli lloyd will surely be going for the three-peat now. god help us all.

  • newsouth

    OH BROTHER, AND I WAS COMPLAINING ABOUT PLAYERS GETTING FREEBIE HERMANN AWARDS. THIS HAS TO BE A JOKE!

    • HOFCToDi

      No one cares about Euro trash.

      • Steglitz49

        The Europeans may.

        They care enough to hire Alex, Crytal, Kadeisha and Ashley for 2017 — so far.

        • HOFCToDi

          No one in the stands for Europeans to care.

          2016-17 Frauen Bundesliga
          Attendance – 968 (average)

          worldfootball.net/attendance/frauen-bundesliga-2016-2017/1/

          2015-16 Frauen Bundesliga
          Attendance – 1076 (average)

          worldfootball.net/attendance/frauen-bundesliga-2015-2016/1/

          • Steglitz49

            Alex, Kadeisha and Ashley will play in France and Crystal in England — whose club averages are even worse.

            What is your point, if any?

  • Reality

    “Today Carli Lloyd won the 2016 FIFA Best trophy for best female player of the year. This despite her national team getting knocked out of the Olympics in quarterfinals and her club team finishing eighth in their league. Lloyd might have put up a lot of goals, but most of them came against teams the United States was pasting by five or more goals. Meanwhile, German Melanie Behringer won a league title with Bayern Munich and helped Germany win gold at the Olympics, yet came third in finalist voting. What’s going on here?”

    http://www.starsandstripesfc.com/2017/1/9/14218318/fifa-womens-best-awards-broken-carli-lloyd-melanie-behringer

    • Steglitz49

      It is called WoSo. Nobody cares about.

      • USMNTfan4life

        They don’t care about women’s club soccer at all, based on the numbers who pay to see Carli in Houston (maybe 3,000, max 6,000) or anyone else. The LAFC team that Mia Hamm as “owner” will manage in the NWSL may draw a good crowd, but I just don’t see WoSo in a professional club environment succeeding at all.

        • Steglitz49

          The middle-classes and the LGBTQ community talk hot and heavy about how important WoSo is but do they go to the matches?

          Judging by attendances: no.

          • USMNTfan4life

            Agreed.

  • guest

    carli lloyd is the best women’s football player in the world. alex morgan has said recently that she want’s to be the best female football player in the world. so alex will have to take the title from carli if she wants it that bad. there can be only one best.

    • newsouth

      you mean they will have to give the title to alex. don’t worry it’s coming soon once she has ridiculous stats in a 2 team league.

  • NYRick

    The sport went from having about just an ounce of credibility to now officially losing that ounce.

    • Steglitz49

      Alex Morgan’s 25,000€ per month must be compared to CR7’s or Messi’s salaries of 2.7m€ and 3.3m€ basic, respectively. That is a ratio of >100:1.

      • Where have you seen how much Morgan is making with Lyon? I haven’t seen actual numbers anywhere, just guesses.

        • Som Termanni

          SFR Sport: https://sport.sfr.fr/football/divers/alex-morgan-file-a-lol-et-realise-le-souhait-daulas.html

          Via SoccerAmerica: http://www.socceramerica.com/article/71703/what-awaits-alex-morgan-on-and-off-field-in-france.html

          > SFR Sport reported that Lyon will pay Morgan 25,000 euros ($30,000) a month, far more than the salaries of most of her teammates, who include captain Wendie Renard, Camille Abily and Eugenie Le Sommer among 15 French internationals, plus a foreign contingent that features Norwegian Ada Hegerberg, the 2016 UEFA Women’s Player of the Year, and Dzsenifer Marozsan, the German national team captain.

          • Thank you!

          • #1Fan

            On the mens side, this would not fly. Manager would have areal issue in the dressing room. Equal pay . LLOLOLOL. Guess she must be putting in extra work.

            In perspective, Carlos Tevez makes $150,000 per day in China .

          • Steglitz49

            What is your message?

          • Meaning she is getting way more than everyone else? Isn’t that the “star power” the mens side sees all the time?

          • #1Fan

            Yes but I don’t see the men campaigning for equal pay.

          • Eh.. Club and Country are a lot different in my opinion. You can choose where to play club, can’t choose Nationality (for most players)

          • #1Fan

            I agree. Remember when the Ryder Cup golfers were vilified for asking for pay? Other than expenses, playing for your country should not be an income source. The current structure needs changing.

          • HOFCToDi

            Get a clue.

          • guest

            they only demand equal pay when some else makes more than them. if they are making the most than they no longer want equal pay.

          • guest

            let’s see what ada hegerberg thinks about that at the end of the year if she is still the top euro striker and if morgan comes in off the bench.

        • Steglitz49

          #1Fan stated that Alex Morgan gets 25,000€ per month. If you disagree with #1Fan he blocks you because he can’t cope, poor lamb.

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  • guest

    this is hilarious. do these voters realize she didn’t even PLAY for a large portion of the year? so dumb. heck, Lloyd’s nemesis Mel Tancredi had a better year than she did for club and country. That would have been an interesting pick.

    • Guest

      Tancredi likes to talk about how arrogant and media hyped american players are. I guess she has a point.

      • guest

        she’s just bitter she had to go to grad school while she was training so she would have a career after soccer whereas the USWNT players can live off of sponsorship money and media appearances for the rest of their lives.

        • guest

          I wouldn’t go that far. Morgan and Lloyd, possibly Press, Pinoe, Krieger will be able to live of sponsorship money for some time. Morgan Brian has a fair number of sponsors also. The rest aren’t marketed that heavily.

          • ABCDE

            Press makes tons of media appearances. For someone who doesn’t play much up to this point, she has a lot of marketing behind her.

        • CED

          Your delusion is noted

          • Guester

            what about that is delusional? USWNT is the only team where you can make enough sponsorship dollars to live off of.

    • Steglitz49

      The voters do not care about WoSo. They care and know about BroSo.

    • HOFCToDi

      You certainly are quite the dumbass.

      Calendar Year 2016
      USWNT
      Minutes Played
      Sauerbrunn – 1897
      Heath – 1747
      Lloyd – 1644
      Klingenberg – 1562
      Morgan – 1504

      ussoccer.com/womens-national-team/stats

      • Guest

        yeah because Morgan started getting subbed out for Press. Press is going to take over her job. What are you going to shitpost then?

        • HOFCToDi

          Nobody cares about matches versus tomato cans in meaningless international women’s friendlies.

        • HOFCToDi

          Calendar Year 2016
          FIFA Top 10 Ranked Opponents
          USWNT Goals Scored
          Morgan (DOB 02 Jul 1989) – 6
          Horan (DOB 26 May 1994) – 2
          Dunn (DOB 03 Jul 1992) – 1
          Heath (DOB 29 May 1988) – 1
          Johnston (DOB 06 Apr 1992) – 1
          Lloyd (DOB 16 Jul 1982) – 1
          Mewis (DOB 09 Oct 1992) – 1

          By the way, Christen Press is not on the list.

          ussoccer.com/womens-national-team/lineups

          Christen Press is the quintessential international fraud.

          4 years (2013, 2014, 2015, 2016)
          78 caps
          2 head coaches

          Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

          garbage time
          prima donna
          selfish shot hog
          tomato cans

        • HOFCToDi

          Calendar Year 2016
          FIFA Top 12 Ranked Opponents
          USWNT Goals Scored
          Press – 0

          Calendar Year 2016
          FIFA Top 12 Ranked Opponents
          USWNT Assists Provided
          Press – 0

          Christen Press is the quintessential international fraud.

          4 years (2013, 2014, 2015, 2016)
          78 caps
          2 head coaches

          Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

          garbage time
          prima donna
          selfish shot hog
          tomato cans

  • Bruce

    24 hours later and it looks like no NT teammate has typed even one character to congratulate Captain Carli on social media. Just wow.

    • DNG

      I would imagine that they would call/text her rather than posting something on social media. Not many posted congratulation to Tobin for winning the US player of the year. Just the captains and her best friend Allie Long.

      • Bruce

        I’m not one to go full on conspiracy theory, but it makes me wonder about the tenor of the locker room for the USWNT. In the NWSL, players never hesitate to recognize teammates’ achievements online.

        • DNG

          maybe it’s just me but congratulating someone over social media seems very impersonal and only done for the spectacle. I wouldn’t look into it much at all.

    • If we’re counting Hope, then we have one…

  • #1Fan

    this is why the equal pay thing comes across so badly. No one cares enough to do any research. Its all name recognition with no regard to actual play. Its beyond insulting to any up and coming player who believes that this is close to being credible. I dont have any issue with people making as much as they can, but its hard to think of these two games as the same sport when measured in terms of actual interest. Even the governing body dont care !!

    • DNG

      FIFA awards are a mess all around and I think some would argue that name recognition is a big part in the men’s awards as well. Defenders and midfielder hardly ever get any consideration in the men’s award either. I don’t disagree about the Women’s awards though. Too many voters don’t care enough about the sport to even watch apparently.

      • #1Fan

        im not really talking entirely about the FIFA awards. I think a lot of WoSo is. When Rooney is bad, no one in the media hesitates to call him out. he gets dropped form the NT and is told to play better. In WoSo …no one says a word and even if they did, no one really cares.

        • DNG

          You have a point there although sometimes I think the criticism is over the top and not representative of actually play(Toni Kroos only passes sideways). I’d argue that it’s a little tougher(for some) to determine who is playing poorly when it comes to the US women at least. They just don’t play enough quality competition so often when they play poorly, they win. The truth is that I think the US could play competitively against all but the best teams with 3(and possibly more) different starting XIs but what they have is marketable and good enough.

          • Steglitz49

            Please see my reply to #1Fan at the beginning of the thread. I know that he blocks those who have the temerity to disagree with him, so my comment likely will sit in splendid isolation.

          • Gary Diver

            “I’d argue that it’s a little tougher (for some) to determine who is playing poorly when it comes to the US women at least. They just don’t play enough quality competition so often when they play poorly, they win.”

            Very good point, I have also felt that WoSo doesn’t have enough matches that really count and can be used for fair comparisons. The Friendlies are really exhibition matches. Since USWNT does not have a tournament comparable to Euro17, there is only two real tournaments for USWNT: WCs and OGs. (Only two tournaments in every four year cycle.) And because of so many weak teams, the only matches that really count in WCs and OGs are the knock-out matches. For the most part, the group play matches of OG16 were snoozes and had no consequences other than the bracketing for the knock-out phase. WoSo needs more national matches that are real matches with real consequences.

            P.S. FIFA apparently is expanding WCs in the future to 48 teams. But they are going to change the group play format to make every match count. Groups will have only 3 teams each and the bottom team goes home. With only 2 matches to determine whether you go on, every match will be important.

          • Steglitz49

            This was an Olympic year, which makes the order of the voting embarrassing not just for the lady players but also for the #2 and #3 of their coaches too.

          • HOFCToDi

            CONCACAF would be taken more seriously if the World Cup Qualification process on the women’s side was identical to the men’s side.

            en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_FIFA_World_Cup_qualification_%E2%80%93_CONCACAF_Fourth_Round

            en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_FIFA_World_Cup_qualification_%E2%80%93_CONCACAF_Fifth_Round

          • Gary Diver

            In WoSo, CONCACAF has only 2 1/2 competitive top teams. UEFA, on the other hand, has several top teams.

            I’ve just noticed that for some odd reason Suriname, French Guiana, and Guyana are members of CONCACAF.

          • HOFCToDi

            So what?

            No attempt whatsoever to grow the sport by CONCACAF.

          • JL

            It’s not unheard of for nations to switch confederations. Australia was a member of Oceania until 2006, then they switched to the AFC so that the Socceroos had a easier chance to qualify for the WC.

          • Steglitz49

            Stuffed their women though but helped NZ.

          • Steglitz49

            Top Suriname players go to Holland and play: the boys from Paramaribo.

          • Steglitz49

            The fact that the US only has Canada as a real competitor is a hassle but also a problem of their own making. The NWSL was set up as a tridentine league founded by Canada, Mexico and the US. From the start the Mexican players by and large got virtually no playing time at all. Not surprisingly Mexico stopped allocating players.

            If the NWSL top brass had taken the larger and longer view they would have ensured that Mexican players had gotten match time. By now we would have had a decent Mexican WNT.

            As the standard of WoSo rises, which it obviously has been doing, the group games will become more important. Both in WC-15 and OG-16, group games played a significant part. The knockout phase sharpens expectations for obvious reasons.

      • Steglitz49

        It is hard to watch WoSo outside of the big international championships. Now that the BBC screens live the FA women’s Cup final, that is accessible — but it is a domestic event, however famous.

    • Steglitz49

      I know that you block people who disagree with you but I contend that in this case you are a bit unfair to FIFA.

      The voting college used to be the captains and coaches of the NTs and the media. This year they added the fan’s vote. It is reasonable to expect captains and coaches to be informed. FIFA has no control over either the media nor the fans.

      What can be criticized is the committee that assembled the 10 WoSo players to be voted on, specifically why were Ada Hegerberg and Hedvig Lindahl excluded?

  • Ashley C

    Anyone who watched women’s football this past year would agree that it should not have been Lloyd. Obviously the voting system and name recognition have a lot to do with it but it also looks bad on FIFA because it sends the message that nobody cares about the women’s game. Disappointed but not surprised.

  • Breakers fan

    I agree she clearly wasn’t the most deserving but, and this should be obvious, you can’t let this get you mad at *her*. She didn’t vote. Get mad at the voters, as many here are doing; she was just informed of what they did.

    • Reality

      The question becomes how she will leverage her good fortune to influence her status with the NT.

      • Breakers fan

        I hadn’t thought of that. Jill *could* squash that move, if Lloyd ever makes it, with 1 pithy comment, but doubt she will.

        • Steglitz49

          The WoSo temple has never taught that its members must hold all the beliefs that Hamm, Marta and the Emir hold.

        • Reality

          I share your doubt about Ellis making any pithy comments to inhibit Lloyd.

      • Guest

        We get it, you and many other regulars here don’t like Lloyd. It’s the coach’s job to bench her if she’s not performing. Same with Pinoe at the olympics. Don’t hate the player, hate the game…or the coaching game/USWNT marketing machine, rather. I don’t blame her for wanting to play as long as she can.

        • ABCDE

          haven’t you heard? Lloyd is now personally blocking Christen Press’ development. Like Wambach, Morgan, and Syd before her. Everything is a just a conspiracy against Press.

          • Guest

            What is development for a 28 year old athlete, exactly?

          • HOFCToDi

            Arrested development

          • guest

            ask alex morgan. she is going to lyon to develop into the best player in the world.

          • newsouth

            given she’ll have lofty stats in a 2 team league, her fifa award is being prepared right now. add a couple of shots on goal for the NT and the deal is done.

          • Steglitz49

            I thought she went there to earn money and win the Champions League? Silly me.

          • HOFCToDi

            The statute of limitations for Christen Press excuses has officially expired as of 12/31/2016.

        • HOFCToDi

          Jill Ellis benched Abby Wambach, Amy Rodriguez, Christen Press for Morgan Brian against Germany in the semifinals of the 2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup. The rest is history.

          • Steglitz49

            This is Carli’s award for 2016, not 2015.

        • Reality

          As I’ve said in the past to such protestations as yours, I do not hate Lloyd, but I do hate what she does to the NT when she is on the pitch. Ellis has given Lloyd free rein for 90″ in every game to roam at will and shoot at the net regardless of how that affects the team play or player development or effective strategy. This did not serve the NT during the OG nor will it serve the team in the future. Lloyd has stated very clearly that she wants to play through 2020 and that she now considers herself a forward. If Ellis allows this as she has in the past, no good will come of it for the NT.

          • Steglitz49

            Carli might even beat Marta’s 5 POTYs!

        • guest

          and it’s the players responsibility to the uswnt team to show up to the olympics in shape. not show up only 15 minutes game fit like megan rapinoe did. an absolute disgrace which rapinoe deserves hate for. especially considering she said she was “100% ready to go” two weeks before the olympics. and her out of form performance deserves hate too. but she does deserve credit for her assist on colombia’s free kick goal.

        • Steglitz49

          Carli’s situation is totally different from Pinoe’s. They are not at all comparable.

          As Breakers Fan notes, Carli can’t be blamed for the votes falling her way. She did no wrong. OTH Pinoe and the US coaching staff overestimated her return to fitness and the fault lies more with the staff than the player.

      • newsouth

        2019 WORLD CUP

    • Steglitz49

      Hear hear!

      Silje Solberg might have been Carli’s lodestar.

  • Steglitz49

    We are starting to approach the 200 mark but it has taken a day and we are still far short of 500 let alone 1000 comments.

    • Som Termanni

      Keep at it, Steg! Every shitpost counts. I believe in you!

      • Steglitz49

        HOFCToDi is more likely to get you there baring yourself, that is.

        • guest

          should links count as comments or be deducted?

          • Steglitz49

            Deducted.

            Anyway, it does not look like this will get to 300, so it is trivial.

        • HOFCToDi

          You heard the man.

          Chop! Chop!

  • Timber Dave

    Lloyd wasn’t the best player in either her national team or her league. Not even remotely. Though I guess on the men’s side, Ronaldo wasn’t the best player on his club team, not to mention his league, so there is some balance there….

    FIFA is making a joke of it for both women and men.

    • Steglitz49

      FIFA did not vote. It was NT captains and coaches, who have a duty to be knowledgeable, and the media and fans.

      The shortlist of 10 to be voted on was immediately criticized, mainly for the omission of Hegerberg and Lindahl. How that votable list is drawn up is shrouded in mystery but French persons are overrepresented allegedly.

    • NYRick

      Ronaldo is the best player on his club team, stop. Ronaldo’s skill set is on an insane level compared to even the best players in the world. Yes he does play with some of the world’s best on his club team, but they are not him.

      • DNG

        Ronaldo scores the most goals but I think I could make an argument that Luka Modric is the best player at Real Madrid.

        • #1Fan

          you could make an argument that Modric is the most rounded. Sure. BUT Ronaldo has become very efficient at the one skill that decides games – scoring goals.

          You cannot underestimate the relative importance. Messi is Messi , becasue he is well rounded and scores a ridiculous amount of goals, but i think its Him, Ronaldo and then everyone else. And i dont like Ronaldo at all 🙂

          Just to qualify my statement re goals,, you could say the same for Lloyd, except, the level of competition she faces makes it irrelevant. If she was scoring for fun in the NWSL as well then perhaps you could call her a singular goal scorer and overlook the other stuff.

          • DNG

            Would Ronaldo be as effective as he is at scoring goal in another team? I have no doubt he would score a lot for any team he played for but would he score 50-60 goals a year playing for a different team? Is he actually the most important player against the best of the best teams right now? I can’t say I’m totally convinced of that. Iniesta’s absence earlier this year for Barca and how he transforms that team when he’s in the line up has made me start to ask these questions. Barca looked like a completely different team without Iniesta.

          • #1Fan

            Hard to answer, but look at Ibra. Ill answer it this way and say he would be converting his chances at a very high rate on any team he played for. You an flip your argument and say would Iniesta be the same player on any other team? There is a reason the top players usually find themselves at one of the 10 top teams.

          • DNG

            That’s fair about Iniesta I think he’d still be very good but it’d be harder to recognize than the players scoring goals. Looking at Ibra I wasn’t convinced that Manchester United were actually as poor as they looked early in the season. They were a solid team that was playing poorly, sure, but the pieces were there to improve. Ibra himself takes care of his body which is why he’s been able to stay at the top as long as he has. The biggest motivator for players at top teams in my opinion is money and then after maybe prestige. And just so I’m clear I do view Ronaldo as the second best player in the world I just like posing these questions and thinking a bit about other options we might look past.

          • #1Fan

            I agree with you and I welcome the dialogue., Its fun. Man United are OK, but the ROI on the field is not good. They have spent a fortune and I dont see the level of play one should expect. Ibra can bully teams and to me that is his value. Vs any team outside the top 6, he is very dangerous on reputation alone. He provides that aura of ” im better than you”

          • DNG

            What I mean by good is that I think they are clearly a top 6 team. Completely agree on ROI. United waste a ton of money. I think they are currently in the 4th, 5th, or 6th best team in the PL at least right now. Chelsea, Liverpool and City(figure it out Pep) are all better in my opinion. I think Ibra’s skill and ability to bully smaller defenders is still present but he’s always been a streaky finisher. I do think he was limited against the top 6 teams in the first half of this year but United’s lineup was also a mess for some of those matches.

          • rkmid71

            “It’s harder to recognize than the players scoring goals”

            Is that why forwards are so often selected and they attempt to retrain for other positions? Hopefully not too far off topic, but I’m currently reading “The Undoing Project” by Michael Lewis. In men’s basketball, it was analyzed whether an ability to score points in college basketball predicted NBA success. No, was the answer. It was determined that traditional counting stats like points, rebounds, and assists per game could be wildly misleading.

            It was possible for a player to score a lot of points and hurt his team, just as it was possible for player to score very little and be a huge asset. The NBA has transformed its player evaluation and selection since 2006. Just as MLB has done with Moneyball. It’s been pointed out many times that the NFL, MLB, and NBA often get it wrong — and that’s where they have massive $ at stake to get it right more often than not. And they have a lot more stats in those sports than soccer. I can’t imagine how messed up player evaluation has been for soccer, in particular WoSo where no such incentives exist and nobody really cares that much.

  • NYRick

    Just throwing this out there. In baseball, players who performed far better in their 30s than they did in their 20s (actually ridiculously better) were thought to be cheats.

    First off this award is a blatant joke, we all get that. But I mentioned this with Carli about two years ago regarding her “sudden” rise in ability. It was scoffed at because she trains so hard etc. Isn’t that what baseball ARod once said too? And really all the baseball cheats.

    Look women can cheat in sports too. See the past German swimmers, US track stars etc. You’ve heard the stories. Especially the very driven ones who will stop at nothing to achieve fame and goals. For me, it makes absolutely zero sense that a women soccer player is far better at age 34/35 than she was at age 25/26. It fact it makes no sense.

    • guest

      Seriously man? Stop. We know you don’t like her because she takes away time from your Pressious. She isn’t “far better” than she used to be these days, she is just playing a role better suited to her. She was never any good deep in the midfield, she should have been a striker. She was 32 when she won the World Cup, still within “reasonable age” for some players who age better than others (like Rampone, even Wambach was playing at a high level until 31-32). She is, by all accounts, a very hard worker who pays a lot of attention to fitness. Your obsessive dislike of her is just weird.

      • NYRick

        Sorry to offend you. I’m of the belief that most if not all elite athletes cheat to various degrees. Some more than others. Nadal was basically washed up at 28 because of all the heavy rumors that he cheated from his late teens on.

        And for the record, this has nothing to do with Press or any other player. It was just raising an issue that could very well exist in sports that is ignored in women’s sports. This site is called the Equalizer for what I believe women’s equality as it pertains to sports. With that, both sides of the equation should be scrutinized. If there was one player in the entire US program who I would bet would do something to stay on top it would be Lloyd without question. That is not far fetched by any means.

        • Steglitz49

          You should be a bit careful. Zlatan has just won a libel-suit against someone who accused him of having used PED. I do not know what the damages awarded are. Sometimes they are minimal and sometimes they can be huge.

        • HOFCToDi

          Bull crap.

          Your Precious Press has proven to be an international flop and you need a scapegoat.

        • HOFCToDi

          I certainly hope the USSF and Carli Lloyd slaps you with a libel lawsuit.

          • Steglitz49

            He was given the warning 4 hours before you typed but thanks for reinforcing the message.

        • HOFCToDi

          Poor Pressie Pooh!

          No individual international awards for you!

      • #1Fan

        She was never any good deep in the midfield, she should have been a striker.

        But she amassed 200 + caps in that role. WOW

        • HOFCToDi

          Carli Lloyd never played that role, dumbass.

          • Steglitz49

            where does #14 play?

    • lol

      Oh gosh, Rick is back accusing Lloyd of using PEDs. It’s almost as good as his fan fiction about the mean girl jealous h8r locker room conspiracies of Wambach, Lloyd, Syd and Alex against Christen Press.

      • HOFCToDi

        Watch out!

        Come calendar year 2019, a twenty year old Ashley Sanchez will become the next locker room conspiracy of the “Press Gang Troll Brigade”.

        • guest

          lmao sanchez sucks as much if not more than Press. Ashley Sanchez has proven herself to be an international fraud this year.

          • HOFCToDi

            2016 Young Female Player of the Year: Ashley Sanchez

            ussoccer.com/about/history/awards/player-of-the-year

            Yet another national honor that Christen Press did not win.

          • guest

            an award as stupid as Lloyd’s POTY. keep on pushing your cut and paste narrative though.

          • HOFCToDi

            Precious Press has proven to be an international flop.

            Welcome to the future of the USWNT without Christen Press:

            Brian
            Dunn
            Horan
            Killion
            Lavelle
            Mewis
            Pugh
            Ohai
            Sanchez
            Sullivan
            Williams

          • guest

            Welcome to the reality of who was scoring all the goals on the pitch when Williams, Ohai, and Dunn were also there this fall. Press. Williams needs to learn how to put the ball on frame. Pugh, Ohai and Dunn are wingers, not true center forwards. There is no forward in the pipeline at this moment who can compete with Press.

          • ABCDE

            I still rate Alex and Press similarly. Lloyd will probably also be played there this year as well.

          • HOFCToDi

            Calendar Year 2016
            FIFA Top 10 Ranked Opponents
            USWNT Goals Scored
            Morgan (DOB 02 Jul 1989) – 6
            Horan (DOB 26 May 1994) – 2
            Dunn (DOB 03 Jul 1992) – 1
            Heath (DOB 29 May 1988) – 1
            Johnston (DOB 06 Apr 1992) – 1
            Lloyd (DOB 16 Jul 1982) – 1
            Mewis (DOB 09 Oct 1992) – 1

            By the way, Christen Press is not on the list.

            ussoccer.com/womens-national-team/lineups

            Christen Press is the quintessential international fraud.

            4 years (2013, 2014, 2015, 2016)
            78 caps
            2 head coaches

            Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

            garbage time
            prima donna
            selfish shot hog
            tomato cans

          • Steglitz49

            Lyon obviously don’t.

          • HOFCToDi

            USWNT Career
            FIFA Top 10 Ranked Opponents
            USWNT Goals Scored
            Morgan (DOB 02 Jul 1989) – 34
            Leroux (DOB 07 May 1990) – 8
            Press (DOB 29 Dec 1988) – 3

            Christen Press is the quintessential international fraud.

            4 years (2013, 2014, 2015, 2016)
            78 caps
            2 head coaches

            Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

            garbage time
            prima donna
            selfish shot hog
            tomato cans

          • HOFCToDi

            Christen Press
            2016 Summer Olympic Games
            Goals – 0, Assists – 0

            Christen Press
            2016 SheBelieves Cup
            Goals – 0, Assists – 0

            Christen Press
            2016 CONCACAF Women’s Olympic Qualifying
            Knockout Stage
            Goals – 0, Assists – 0

            Christen Press is the quintessential international fraud.

            4 years (2013, 2014, 2015, 2016)
            78 caps
            2 head coaches

            Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

            garbage time
            prima donna
            selfish shot hog
            tomato cans

          • HOFCToDi

            Calendar Year 2016
            FIFA Top 12 Ranked Opponents
            USWNT Goals Scored
            Press – 0

            Calendar Year 2016
            FIFA Top 12 Ranked Opponents
            USWNT Assists Provided
            Press – 0

            Christen Press is the quintessential international fraud.

            4 years (2013, 2014, 2015, 2016)
            78 caps
            2 head coaches

            Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

            garbage time
            prima donna
            selfish shot hog
            tomato cans

          • Steglitz49

            Alex Morgan is younger than Press though not in the pipeline. Alex was ahead of Press.

          • Steglitz49

            The votes were cast and the votes landed where they did.

            The list of 10 to be voted on stank to high heaven.

          • HOFCToDi

            Poor Pressie Pooh!

            No individual international awards for you!

        • Steglitz49

          Oth, she might not. Let’s wait and see how the USWNT grows and develops.

    • DNG

      Lloyd isn’t really much better(if at all) than she was 4 years ago. The increase in her production is entirely due to a position change on a very good team. If they are decent finishers, NT forwards will score a lot of goals given the way they outclass most of their competition.

      I don’t think Lloyd or any other player is using PEDs. They are surely monitored and drug tested fairly consistently.

      • Breakers fan

        A good amount about Carli present-day stems from her WC Final hat trick. And if you break those 3 goals down you see

        a) a simple run across the pitch and a well-struck outside-of-the-foot shot towards goal that somehow snuck through a lot of legs and to a part of the goal the keeper didn’t have covered.

        b) a very good header near goal

        c) a great eye to attempt a half-field blast on a keeper who had moved too far out and a great execution of that excellent observation she had made.

        These acts don’t require PEDs to accomplish. I’m fine with Rick bringing up the possibility and I don’t dismiss it outright, and if I heard that a very small % of the US team *did* use them she would be one of my first guesses, largely due to her age. BUT my actual guess is that none of them use them; and my pick of Carli, if any are, is a bias of mine, rightly or wrongly. I admit it shows what could be a completely erroneous view of her. And like I said, if forced to predict, I would say she’s not using them, so that’s my primary view of her. A guess in the end.

        The baseline though is: all talk of potential PED use by our players is total speculation for which there is absolutely no evidence to date that I am aware of. I think Rick would admit that as well. And as pure speculation the discussion has nowhere to go. It can only stand as “my feelings, from afar, about the character of this or that player”. Doesn’t mean the feelings are wrong, but just that they are that – feelings, hunches.

        • DNG

          If there was a PED that I thought players were likely to use and may use, it would be HGH. HGH can be used to significantly increase the speed in recovery from injury and I honestly wouldn’t have an issue with any athlete using HGH for this reason. I agree with your analysis of Lloyd’s WC final performance.

          I thought Lloyd played pretty well in those final two matches but I feel as if the rest of her performances largely get swept under the rug because of those performances. 2015 wasn’t a great year for Lloyd start to finish either.

          I completely agree with your point on speculation as I think you might already know.

          • Breakers fan

            Yes, HGH and how it speeds recovery – more likely one would think for older players to use it. But we have no idea if they do, of course. How good/effective are their drug tests? How often are they given? Do players know how to beat them? My sense is that this isn’t something, their use, that’s in the US women’s soccer culture, but I don’t know for sure.

            I do think that it’s clear that in the past year — since the WC — Lloyd has made a good and largely successful effort to pass the ball more in the final third. To me it’s clear, irrefutable. I commend her for that. I do agree with you that she has had a good number of bad performances. Painful ones, but also some genuinely good ones since then. (don’t ask me to name them, my memory with doing that is not good). I probably wouldn’t start her these days but I acknowledge that she tends to produce and that you can’t just assume for sure that every player would produce at the same rate (in terms of goals scored). They might or might do so more than her, but…they might not. I’m just talking about what she has done. That said I would prefer the team go in a different direction. At the same time I’m not going to judge her ahead of time for any games she may get in.
            Can I be any more “fair and balanced”? 😉

          • HOFCToDi

            Disqualification for 2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup

            en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korea_women%27s_national_football_team#Disqualification_for_2015_FIFA_Women.27s_World_Cup

          • Breakers fan

            I am aware of that instance, thanks. But …anywhere besides the weirdness and outlier-ness of North Korea, does it exist?

          • HOFCToDi

            Doping in Russia

            en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doping_in_Russia#Allegations_of_state-sponsored_doping_and_2014_ARD_documentary

            Yet FIFA turns a blind eye towards 2018.

          • Breakers fan

            Will look at the link but I do know about this in the past Olympics and how rampant it was for Russia.

            Before I look at the link– is women’s soccer included in this for Russia? That is my sole interest in this discussion.

          • HOFCToDi

            It’s called state sponsored doping.

            Russia should be banned from hosting any international sporting event including the 2018 FIFA World Cup.

          • Breakers fan

            Well-identified. Absolutely deplorable and disgusting. Penalties should be severe.

          • HOFCToDi

            FIFA is corrupt and inept.

            US Justice Department exposed FIFA for what it truly is.

          • rkmid71

            Solo failed a drug test in 2012 before OG. The banned drug was canrenone, a diuretic. Diuretics are often abused by athletes to excrete water for rapid weight loss and to mask the presence of other banned substances. Solo was one of 14 American athletes to receive a sanction under USOC’s anti-doping policies that year, according to the USADA. She was one of three athletes to avoid suspension, but received a public warning.

          • DNG

            Unless it’s changed HGH requires a blood test to test for so players are less receptive to doing it and do it much less frequently. I wouldn’t be surprised if a majority of NFL players use HGH.

          • Breakers fan

            So, if I am reading you correctly, players actually *have a choice* about whether they can submit to a test for performance enhancement (this blood test you reference) ? And I assume HGH is illegal, correct?

          • DNG

            I’m sure they are still tested for it just less frequently.

          • Breakers fan

            So as far as you know the test for HGH is separate from the other PED test(s)? And it is one that is done less often than the other kind? I really have no clue about this subject.

          • DNG

            Many steroids can be tested for with urine samples.

          • #1Fan

            she may try and pass more, but she is not good at it. She is basically good at one thing. She strikes the ball well.

          • DNG

            I actually wouldn’t even consider her a great ball striker. Rapinoe would be that player. Lloyd can’t actually shape her shots. Her best asset is her ability to anticipate where the ball will go in the box. Kind of like Ronaldo.:)

          • #1Fan

            she does strike a clean shot , but she si not a good overall striker of the ball. Does not bend it much or shape it that well imo. Just power.. Ronaldo has every finish in the book and also has that burst of speed/power when he needs it. When younger he had blistering pace and crazy dribbling. Less so now.

            Lloyd is no Ronaldo, more similar to Lampard.

          • DNG

            Haha I agree that Lloyd is no Ronaldo and Lampard may well be a better comparison. I just meant to point out that she does have the knack of knowing how to position herself in the box to get on the end of chances. Not all players do this well.

          • Breakers fan

            I noted a, to me, surprising amount of what I saw as good passes from Lloyd. No doubt there were bad ones but I recall feeling, thinking several times at least “wow, look at what she’s doing, that was a good pass”. Do you have that memory too?

          • #1Fan

            Not really. Which is not to say its not true. I just dont think that part of her game is any good.

          • DNG

            She can perform acceptably when she has no pressure. If she is pressured expect a turnover.

          • rkmid71

            She can’t play quickly. She’s not physically quick nor does have the technical skill, first touch, awareness or even the mentality to want to play that way.

          • DNG

            She doesn’t have to play quickly if there is no pressure. I agree with you on her overall skill though.

          • HOFCToDi

            Welcome to the future of the USWNT in central midfield:

            Brian, Morgan
            Horan, Lindsey
            Killion, Sarah
            Lavelle, Rose
            Mewis, Samantha
            Sullivan, Andi

          • Steglitz49

            Andi Sullivan must recover from her ACL-tear. Not all do.

          • rkmid71

            Seems like a reasonable list. What do think about giving Pugh some shots/time in CAM? Can still try out Lavelle and others as well in that position. I think her quickness would be a big asset and I like her team mentality. Her skills and shooting should improve quickly. Unlike others, I’m not that worried about “turning over the keys” or at least seeing what she’s got now given the time we have before 2019. My favorites in center midfield at the moment are Brian and Sullivan (assuming she recovers well) and out wide Heath and someone else tbd (probably more athletic/quick than the others) that would complement those three best. Brian and Sullivan sort of the brains and organizers and solid on both on defense and offense. Heath a creator.

          • HOFCToDi

            The USWNT has a major hole at the flank (attacking) midfielder position for the future:

            Dunn
            Ohai
            Pugh

            If the USWNT coaching staff wishes to implement a high press in the future, young fresh legs are desperately needed on the flanks.

          • HOFCToDi

            CAM for the future?

            Andrews, Morgan
            Lavelle, Rose
            Mewis, Samantha

          • rkmid71

            And maybe even Horan in that spot. I prefer her there versus further back where she has to defend more. I think of her similar to Mewis. And they both add some size and physical presence in the box and can score.

          • DNG

            I am not convinced of Horan’s ability to protect the ball in central midfield yet. I know the position is still kind of new for her but she may never be as good as others at moving the ball in and out of pressure. Horan’s ability to play long balls though is very good. I don’t think there is anyone on the team with a more accurate long ball than Horan.

          • HOFCToDi

            USWNT potential midfield left to right regardless of formation (4-4-2, 3-4-3, 3-4-1-2) for calendar year 2019:

            Pugh – Brian – Sullivan – Heath

            If Tobin Heath (DOB 29 May 1988) falls off the map in calendar year 2019, substitute Kealia Ohai or Crystal Dunn.

          • Steglitz49

            The jury will be out on Sullivan till her knee has healed.

          • Breakers fan

            They did happen. To what degree, vs. the bad passes I’m not sure. One would have to sit down and do a systematic analysis. Any grad students we can assign to that research project?

          • rkmid71

            The best game I saw from Lloyd in CAM was April 6, 2016 in their first friendly game versus Colombia — they won 7-0. I was actually hopeful that Lloyd might be capable of playing that position and was making an honest effort. Sadly, it hasn’t turned out that way.

          • Breakers fan

            That sounds right. I attended that game – in very cold weather. I feel like her honest effort continued by and large but that, as you say, she’s not a perfect fit for the position. She can make the occasional nice pass and her goal-scoring skills outshine a fair amount of others but she’s too inconsistent, not really built for all the tight spaces one gets where that position puts her.

          • DNG

            Lloyd didn’t play as a 10 that game if I am remembering correctly. She stayed a lot deeper and played behind Heath, Dunn and Pugh in a more traditional 4-3-3. She played alright but I still think a big part of that was that she wasn’t pressured much by Colombia. When she has to move the ball quickly she often makes mistakes.

          • rkmid71

            I wonder why a good ball stirker like Lloyd isn’t more efficient. . Post 2015WC, she had a very low % of shots on goal and goals per shot. Very poor efficiency. I honestly think she was allowed, for some reason, to use Houston games as a training ground to learn how to play the forward position. And it hasn’t turned out well over the last two years. What she does for the NT is different — as they don’t play many tough games. I don’t think she’s scored many goals versus top 10 teams in the last year.

          • DNG

            She shoots from everywhere whenever she gets an opportunity even if they are poor shots. This seems to have improved somewhat with a change in position.

          • DNG

            I realized I forgot to address you point on Lloyd yesterday. My issue with Lloyd is that her only good performance, and I’m not even sure I’d call it great but it was productive, against a good team last year was against the Netherlands. By good team I am referencing top 15 teams and really of those teams we are talking about 8. Germany, France, England, Canada, Sweden, Australia, Japan, and Brazil. Yeah she scored the goal against France at the Olympics but her overall play on that day was not good in my opinion. Lloyd played in 5 matches against top ten teams last year and only managed one goal and zero assists. If I thought she was providing some added benefit to the team behind production like a Morgan Brian for example, I’d probably look past it and just call it a small sample size. It appears to me though that the game has moved past her. So even if she attempts to alter her style of play and try to improve her core skills, I doubt she will succeed now that her physical prime is long past. Other than score a lot against bad teams there isn’t a lot of good she does anymore in my opinion.

          • Breakers fan

            I’m right there with you on this. I just try to rein in my desire to “go younger” and recognize the positives that Lloyd has provided too, as that aspect tends to get short shrift here. You articulated an analysis of her well – thanks for that.

          • #1Fan

            the skill set required to be an effective WoSo player is totally different to what is required in the Mens game. Its why Lloyd is so polarizing to soccer lovers ( as distinct from WoSo fans) If we were playing a mixed game Men and Women, you would NEVER pick her. You would pick smart player swho make the right play and can facilitate for others because pure athleticism or a hard shot would be neutralized. Its why a Brian is loved by the soccer cognoscenti, but has yet to do all the flashy things in the WoSo game that would make the average WoSo fan latch on to the bandwagon.

            I would be very interested to hear from others ( not that its relevant) which female player they think would do well in a mixed game.

            WoSo is a different game .

          • DNG

            I am a huge fan of Brian she’s been great for the US and rare in our ocean of athletes. I don’t need her to do anything flashy but I still think she has some improving to do if she is to become one of the sport’s best CM’s(don’t think she will ever be given a real shot at CAM).

          • #1Fan

            I am as well, but I fall into the trap of simply analyzing her soccer ability. A guy whose opinion I really trust told me that she should have been on the Full NT when she was 18. It seems that the US reserve the Attacking roles for the most aggressive of personalities, talent not withstanding. Its like the more you yell for it, the greater your chances. I see her as more CAM than CM, but thats me. I am actually surprised she has not gone abroad. At one point I think she was considering Arsenal. I would not be surprised if she went there. I know she is not thrilled with domestic soccer at present. She is very popular though and maybe she needs to stay here for her sponsors to build her “brand’ .

            I hops she goes abroad. I think she would do very well.

          • DNG

            I know she was excellent as a CAM at UVA but I’d need to see her play that role in the NWSL and abroad before I could be sure of her best position. Her acceleration to go past players somewhat concerns me and I wonder if an excellent athletic DM could mark her out of matches but part of me feel like she could be smart enough to figure it out anyway.

            I understand her frustration with the Soccer being played in the NWSL at present I see few teams actually using opponent dependent tactics. The Dash are a very direct team and in my opinion play a brand of soccer that does not highlight Brian’s talents at all. Aside from Portland, KC and Seattle(not even really true for them) almost every team plays direct north and south soccer. I think Brian would fit well in KC or Portland but she probably won’t be able to get there in her immediate future. As far as going to play for Arsenal, well they just signed Kim Little. Not sure she would see any time at CAM there either. I am interest to see if some of the NT stars do head to England for their upcoming winter season in 2017.

          • #1Fan

            agreed on everything. I know they were looking at her though. she could play the regista role as well. she is an excellent player. I would love her to go to the Gunners.

          • DNG

            I’d love to see Brian play for Arsenal even in that 8 role with Little and Taylor up top. I hope there are some other players who look to play overseas in the off season next year too. England may become a primary destination for Americans in the offseason due to there being no language barrier. What I’m a little unsure about is how many English clubs are really devoted to their women’s teams. United for example don’t even have one.

          • Steglitz49

            Are there any US NT stars left now that Alex is in Lyon and Crystal in Chelsea?

          • guest

            Christen Press is a star, as much as you don’t want to recognize that fact. So are Lloyd and Heath and possibly a couple others. Dunn was never much of a star, though she is a great player.

          • Steglitz49

            A mixed game is a nonsense. Just look at the size of Zlatan, CR7 and Bale let alone male defenders and goalies.

          • Guest

            The players who would do best in a mixed game should be fairly apparent. A mixed game would require a baseline of acceptable technical skill and there are a surprising number of USWNT players that would not qualify. Players who rely on athletic gifts would struggle as they would be unable to outpace men. The whole premiss of this scenario is unfair to the athletes as you are putting them in a situation where their athleticism will not actually be on an even playing field. The men will be the superior athletes in every sense and that doesn’t really mirror any situation in women’s soccer either. It is however fair to criticize how low the required technique is at the moment.

          • guest

            the other possibility is epo blood doping. there were alot of past rumors of barcelona players using them. i think i saw recently there was a court ruling to finally have the blood samples tested that were in sitting in storage.

    • HOFCToDi

      You have proven your stupidity. Sudden rise in ability, huh?

      You must have missed the 2007 Algarve Cup.

      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Algarve_Cup

      You must have missed the entire 2008 calendar year.

      ussoccer.com/about/history/awards/player-of-the-year

  • Gary Diver

    Off-Topic Alert: 2026 WC and the 48ers

    One of yesterday’s big sports stories was FIFA’s announcement of their plan to expand the 2026 WC to 48 teams. Did FIFA announce anything for 2027 WoSo WC?

    https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/jan/10/48-team-world-cup-fifa-plan-2026

    http://www.sportingnews.com/soccer/news/is-world-cup-expansion-good-or-bad-details-48-teams-fifa-futbol-soccer/vmchomtd4f8i1mpf5o6ek0zy1

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-4107154/FIFA-s-new-48-team-format-mean-Tahiti-vs-Curacao-Welcome-2026-World-Cup.html

    Most commentators that I read do not like the proposal.

    1. The quality of competition will be watered down. WC will not longer be a tournament of the best, but instead it will be a tournament of inclusion.

    2. WC Qualifiers will become meaningless. Why bother with qualifiers?

    3. 3-team groups mean that 1/3 of the teams will only play 2 WC matches. So FIFA expects more people to travel to WC with the possibility of seeing their teams play less matches.

    4. Eliminate draws for group play matches. That means that any underdog team who can maintain a tie for 120 minutes will have a good chance of winning against a superior team they would never beat in regulation time. In a lot of group play matches, one team is going to do everything to obtain a tie and the other team will do everything to avoid a tie. No matter who the teams are shootouts levels the table and greatly changes the odds of winning and losing. It will be seen if there are more or less “dead rubber” matches in the new format. For example “the format is simple: A versus B, A versus C, B versus C. So if B and C beat A, then game three, B versus C, is a dead rubber.”

    It will be interesting to see how this plays out for WoSo.

    • Steglitz49

      Given the patchy quality of WoSo it is unlikely to increase beyond 24 teams BUT with 3 per group that would give 8 of 3, which makes it easier than the current format of the 4 least bad in 3rd place.

      Essentially the proposal makes almost the whole tournament a knock-out, which may well be good for viewing-figures.

      • Gary Diver

        “Essentially the proposal makes almost the whole tournament a knock-out.”

        Maybe you are right. In that sense it may be a good move. But just consider the 48 group play matches in the two formats and assume that the new format has 16 groups, each with 2 quality “top 32” teams and one “dud”. For the old format of 32 teams in 8 groups, all group play matches will be between teams in the “top 32”. For 48 teams in 16 groups, 32 matches will involve one of the “duds” and only 16 matches will involve “top 32” teams. Am I missing something?

        • Steglitz49

          Tennis tournaments like Wimbledon and the other Grand Slam ones start with 64 players.

          The European Championship for men is going back to something similar to the original formula. The 2016 tournament was the last of its kind.

          As more countries get better, more teams want to be in the big tournament. After all, the men’s WC used to be 16 teams.

          • Gary Diver

            “As more countries get better, more teams want to be in the big tournament.”

            I agree, but isn’t that were the rubber hits the road? It will be interesting to see the level of quality of the “new” 16 teams. As somebody else pointed out, we may see Tahiti or Curacao playing Spain or Germany in the WC.

          • Steglitz49

            WC-15 was a revelation and OG-16 too.

            Let’s wait and see how Euro-17 and WC-19 pan out before we make plans for WoSo.

          • Gary Diver

            Agree:)

          • Gary Diver

            Am I mistaken or doesn’t major tennis tournaments start with 128 players? Also, there is a big difference between men’s and women’s play in tennis. Men have much fewer upsets than women. Top 10 seeds in the women’s draw often don’t make it to the quarter finals. The level of competition is much spottier with women tennis. One could argue that it is the same situation with WoSo compared to men’s soccer.

          • Steglitz49

            2×64=128. You may well be right. There are 300+ countries in the world.

          • Gary Diver

            One of the strange things about tennis is now many more matches the better players play than the worse players. The worse players play only one Grand Slam match, while the better players play 3-6 or more matches. So the good get better by playing more matches and the worse get worse by playing fewer matches.

          • Gary Diver

            Three More Issues with New 48 team WC Format.

            1. With 3-team groups, there can’t be simultaneous group matches. I have enjoyed that aspect of WC tournaments.

            2. Any top 24 team who gets upset in their first match is in serious trouble to get through to the knock-out phase.

            3. Does anybody know what the tie-breakers will be for advancing to the knock-out phase. For example, what happens of all three teams win one match and loses one match?

          • Steglitz49

            I am not worried about the 48. We will have to wait and see till FIFA unveils how they want to take WoSo forward.

    • HOFCToDi

      FIFA is corrupt and inept.

    • HOFCToDi

      FIFA World Cup expansion is a joke.

      Fans not convinced about World Cup expansion

      player.fm/series/5-lives-football-daily/fans-not-convinced-about-world-cup-expansion

  • Gary Diver

    Carli Lloyd’s Acceptance Speech

    I have often been critical of Lloyd’s play, but I was impressed with her acceptance speech for FIFA POTY Award.

    She humbly acknowledged:

    1. she didn’t expect to win. (Implying that she felt she didn’t deserve to win the award this year.)

    2. the other finalists by name and mentioned their fine accomplishments.

    3. all of the support that she has, including Jill Ellis, other staff members, her teammates, USSF, and others.

    Ronaldo, on the other hand, didn’t even mentioned the other award finalists and he couldn’t help himself from reminding us that he is God’s gift to soccer. He acceptance speech was all about Ronaldo.

    • guest

      Agreed. I said from the time she was nominated she knew she didn’t deserve it and might even think it diminishes last year’s award that she won. I didn’t really appreciate her antics with the Dash this year, but I also don’t have insider knowledge as to how she needed to recover from injury either. I will give her credit for having a good work ethic, unlike some aging stars (cough Abby Wambach cough). Should she step away? Maybe. She still produces and it’s Jill’s/USSF job to bench her or counsel her out. It’ll be interesting to see how the next year or two plays out.

      • kris

        also the difference between Pinoe and Lloyd is that I truly think Lloyd believes in her own myth, that she is the greatest player in the world and will just get better, age aside. Maybe that is what you need to keep pushing on in pro sports. Whereas Pinoe seems self aware and intelligent enough such that she knew she wasn’t fit for some time, and was basically lying when she said she was Olympics ready.

        • Steglitz49

          Why is being a liar a merit in your book? How can that be?

          • Stegpitz49

            it’s not.

          • Steglitz49

            Are you “kris”? How many flags of convenience do you sail under?

        • Gary Diver

          “Whereas Pinoe seems self aware and intelligent enough such that she knew she wasn’t fit for some time, and was basically lying when she said she was Olympics ready.”

          If true, this is a damning comment.

    • guest

      why should ronaldo bother to even mention suarez, neymar and messi’s names when they as the other finalists didn’t even bother to show up for the fifa POTY award ceremony? should the other finalists show up even if they know they are not going to win the award? didn’t ronaldo show up for the past ceremonies in the years everyone knew messi was going to win? of course it would be nice if he menitioned them. but any critcism should really first be directed at the three who didn’t even bother to show up.

  • Zaff

    Carli works harder than any other player, and she is the only player in history to score a hat trick in the World Cup Final. She is the greatest player of all time and has taken Team USA to numerous victories. Congratulations Carli! The very best. Look forward to seeing you in France and Tokyo and beyond!