Ellis names A-Rod among 29 for January camp

The Equalizer Staff January 4, 2017 455
Amy Rodriguez (left) and Megan Rapinoe are part of Jill Ellis's January camp (Getty Images)

Amy Rodriguez (left) and Megan Rapinoe are part of Jill Ellis’s January camp (Getty Images)

U.S. national team coach Jill Ellis has named 29 players for an 11-day camp beginning next week at the U.S. Soccer National Training Center in Carson, California. The camp will feature the return of Amy Rodriguez who took last year off to have her second baby. Sydney Leroux, who also had a baby in 2016, is not on the roster. Also includes are Megan Rapinoe and the pair that recently agreed to play in Europe, Alex Morgan and Crystal Dunn.

“The players have had a good break since our last games in November, and I know everyone is anxious to get back to work,” said Ellis. “January Camp has always been valuable to set the tone for the upcoming year and it will be good for the players to get back on the field. For the staff, evaluation and performance remain the focal points during camp as we begin a build up to the SheBelieves Cup.”

Of the 29 players, six are uncapped and will remain so with no matches directly tied to the camp. They are: goalkeepers Jane Campbell and Adrianna Franch and midfielders Kristen Edmonds, Christina Gibbons, Rose Lavelle and Taylor Smith. The call-ups for Gibbons and Smith are firsts. Gibbons will be part of the NWSL draft the day before the opening of camp.

Notable names left off the roster are Meghan Klingenberg and Mallory Pugh

The full camp roster by position is:

GOALKEEPERS (4): Jane Campbell (Stanford), Adrianna Franch (Portland Thorns FC), Ashlyn Harris (Orlando Pride), Alyssa Naeher (Chicago Red Stars)

DEFENDERS (7): Jaelene Hinkle (Western New York Flash), Julie Johnston (Chicago Red Stars), Ali Krieger (Orlando Pride), Kelley O’Hara (Sky Blue FC), Becky Sauerbrunn (FC Kansas City), Casey Short (Chicago Red Stars), Emily Sonnett (Portland Thorns FC)

MIDFIELDERS (11): Morgan Brian (Houston Dash), Kristen Edmonds (Orlando Pride), Christina Gibbons (Duke), Tobin Heath (Portland Thorns FC), Lindsey Horan (Portland Thorns FC), Rose Lavelle (Wisconsin), Carli Lloyd (Houston Dash), Allie Long (Portland Thorns FC), Samantha Mewis (Western New York Flash), Megan Rapinoe (Seattle Reign FC), Taylor Smith (Western New York Flash)

FORWARDS (7): Crystal Dunn (Chelsea Ladies FC, ENG), Jessica McDonald (Western New York Flash), Alex Morgan (Olympique Lyonnais, FRA), Kealia Ohai (Houston Dash), Christen Press (Chicago Red Stars), Amy Rodriguez (FC Kansas City), Lynn Williams (Western New York Flash)

  • #1Fan

    Pugh needs a rest. No Colaprico or Killion. Gibbons a surprise.

    • Bruce

      I think Colaprico took herself out of the equation by deciding to play W-League.

      • Steglitz49

        You may well be right.

      • SpiritFan80

        I was thinking the same thing. I hope she gets another shot when W-League ends. I’m sure USSF will schedule some friendlies at some point this summer.

    • DNG

      Still don’t see a lot of central midfielders. No new center backs either.

      • mockmook

        I’d call Edmonds and Lavelle new-ish for the CM

        But, in general, this isn’t a team of newbies.

        • DNG

          I think both have been called into camp before even if they haven’t had matches. I consider both more attacking CMs as well. The players I think the US needs more of is Brian/Sullivan/Long(I understand 2 of those are converted attacking mids). CMs who can hold possession, move the ball quickly and pass through seams.

          • mockmook

            Well you’re getting Brian and Long, and Sullivan is injured.

          • Steglitz49

            I am not convinced about Long. She is a long-shot for WC-19 at best.

    • guest

      Pugh still dealing with lingering knee issues (per us soccer roster article)

      Colaprico, Killion, Narin etc are all still playing in Australian W-league (regular w-league season runs thru Jan 28th) which might be a factor (although probably not the deciding factor) in not being included in camp

      • JL

        Killion isn’t playing W-League.

        • Bruce

          Proof that Wikipedia isn’t always your best bet.

        • kernel_thai

          Killian is interesting in two ways. First Ellis is only interested in #6 who pass well which describes Killian. Second, now that Ellis is looking to convert DMs that pass well into quasi CBs, Killian seems a good candidate to get get a look in that role as opposed to say the much shorter Colaprico.

          • kernel_thai

            Ask and u shall receive…Killian is in.

      • Bruce

        No players in the W-League were invited.

        • Steglitz49

          Fascinating observation. How do you interpret it? Is Australia seen as a winter holiday camp with cheap booze and lots of beaches?

          • Bruce

            W-League plays a short season and AUS is a good 12-18 hour trip from the US.

            With no January FIFA window, I wouldn’t be surprised if player contracts in the W-League prohibited participating in camps.

          • HOFCToDi

            Oh really?

            FIFA women’s international match calendar 2017

            resources.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/administration/02/78/12/40/circularno.1535-2017fifawomensinternationalmatchcalendar_neutral.pdf

          • tonysocref

            The first 2017 FIFA window for Women is 16-24 Jan.
            Your comment about travel time very well could be the reason for not bringing anybody in that is currently playing in Australia.

          • Bruce

            I stand corrected. Missed that on the FIFA master schedule. Thanks.

          • Steglitz49

            My theory is that players who chose to play in Australia condemned themselves to exclusion from serious consideration for the USWNT. I hope my hunch turns out wrong.

          • guest

            there have been some reports that McDonald (and most likely therefore others) and perhaps other players were told at end of November camp about whether to expect Jan camp call-up.
            Players who headed to Australia may have already known they were unlikely to get Jan camp call-ups.

          • Steglitz49

            IOW these players have given up on the USWNT?

  • guest

    boringggggggggggg. same old same old. i thought she was going to use this camp to evaluate more new players or some college students

    kidn of sad for kling… she had a great world cup and started all the OG games…and has really fell from grace since then, rapidly. she seems like a nice person but not sure she really cuts it at this level as a defender.

    • DNG

      Klingenberg may still be recovering from an injured back.

  • guest

    also kind of surprised at the inclusion of Mcdonald… and why are we still listing Carli as a midfielder? she is a forward now. call up an actual midfielder.

  • #1Fan

    CBA is still active

    • By the Shore

      “The U.S. Women’s National Team and U.S. Soccer will continue to operate under the Collective Bargaining Agreement in its current form as negotiations continue into the new year. “

      • #1Fan

        yes. That was a statement, not a question.

  • guest

    this roster is so… blah. I know ARod gets her courtesy call up but she’s kind of a known quantity at this point. Same with Morgan (isn’t she in France anyway?) And no disrespect to McDonald’s accomplishments, but is she really in the picture for 2019? Why bother wasting spots for long camp on some of these players

    • guest

      and still unfit Rapinoe…

      • guest

        just an absolute disgrace and outrage no one got fired over this uswnt olympics corruption.

    • g2

      us soccer announcement notes that Alex Morgan will only attend the portion of the camp that falls within official FIFA dates, which run Jan. 16-24.

      • Steglitz49

        Lyon pays; Lyon gets its just due.

  • chive-on

    Ugh are we really trying with Hinkle again? Agreed on Colaprico, her callup is overdue – maybe fitness is an issue? Especially now that Sullivan is injured, one more defensive-minded mid couldn’t hurt. And is Pugh not in because of all the youth tournaments, I’m assuming?

    • washfan

      US soccer announcement says Pugh has a knee injury and Kling a back issue (still).

    • guest

      colaprico has been called up recently. im guessing Ellis just doesn’t like her for some reason.

      • Bruce

        Colaprico plays the #6 extremely well, but hasn’t been asked to develop as an attacking CM in the NWSL. Given JE’s desire for interchangeable players, I would think that would be a knock for her. Right or wrong, that she’s undersized (5’2″-ish) will count against her for a lot of coaches too.

        She’s currently playing CAM for a pretty bad Adelaide United team in the W-League. From what I’ve seen, she’s playing AM like a DM: laying too deep to be a real play-making/scoring threat. Could be because Adelaide is so bad a maintaining possession – or maybe she just isn’t comfortable moving forward.

        • #1Fan

          Interchangeable players? Really? Thats what JE wants. She is lost if that is true. Pick the players who deserve a shot. This that have earned it. I have lost patience with this team And the Federation. They are clueless

          • DNG

            I think we could argue that more than 25 players deserve a shot at the full team. Some of the players(Colaprico I hope) might not have been called up due to their participation in the W-League. I agree with your other comment on U17 players in the U23 team.

          • #1Fan

            In the last 2 years some of these kids have played U16,17,18,20 and now 23 Soccer. Laughable. I would get it IF they were showing themselves to be well above the levels they were playing at but last time I checked our youth teams were deemed to be UNDERperforming. How on earth do you reward that with promotions? The way this is run is actually so beyond a joke Im not surprised there are NO hungry NT kids striving for excellence. The USSF is telling them EVERY month that they are great already by rewarding them with Nike gear and more and more camps. I watched some of the kids last week and unless i TOLD you pre game who the “stars were there is no way you pick them out.

          • rkmid71

            It’s like they’re so invested in these players, they must prove themselves right Like a stock. you invested $100 and you watched it go to $10 You had a lot of chances to cut your losses or rebalance or diversify along the way, but you didn’t.

            You tell your boss how smart you are, to be patient.Your boss isn’t really listening and could care less because whatever happens the bottom line isn’t affected much, Though he doesn’t like the distraction of being sued because you think you’re so good and should be paid more or that you’re asking to increase your budget to hire more of your cronies to do more of the same.

            Next we’ll hear that the U17 and U20 coaches are promoted and given raises into new positions on the development or technical team, oversee the new GDA or whatever. This has been going on for years and I don’t think anything is gong to change anytime soon. We have entered The Twilight Zone.

            “There is a fifth dimension, beyond that which is known to man. It is a dimension as vast as space and as timeless as infinity. It is the middle ground between light and shadow, between science and superstition, and it lies between the pit of man’s fears and the summit of his knowledge. This is the dimension of imagination. It is an area which we call The Twilight Zone.
            ~ Rod Sterling

          • #1Fan

            Brilliant and so so accurate

          • Bruce

            My take is that this staff sees the ability to field players in multiple positions and formations as a plus. With the exception of GK and CB, I’d venture to say that versatility is considered more important than execution.

            How else can you explain what happens on match day?

          • DNG

            I’m not so sure I totally agree with this. The usual NT starters that I don’t really agree with seem to be the ones who aren’t very versitile(Lloyd and Morgan) at all.

          • #1Fan

            I’m with DNG here.

          • Bruce

            Agree to disagree.

            This is a team with no football identity because of the constant movement of players around the pitch. Dunn, Pugh, Press, Heath, Long et al. There are no caps for those that aren’t interchangeable.

            Morgan and Lloyd are legacy outliers in this respect, IMHO.

          • DNG

            A great player like Iniesta for example is a player who can be great at multiple positions because his abilities allow him to. A big part of the reason most of the players you mentioned are versatile is because they are good football players with a solid technical foundation. I’d put Brian in that category as well.

          • guest

            Press who refuses to track back and defend when she isn’t playing Forward? Morgan is better at that than she is. I don’t think she is versatile. She is good at CF and she can play the 10 in a pinch.

          • Steglitz49

            Verily.

          • Steglitz49

            Ever heard of Total Football?

          • mockmook

            ” They are clueless”

            And yet you never say who you would choose — perhaps you are clueless as well, but we’ll never know.

          • #1Fan

            maybe you missed it. By the way, its not my full time job. You are entitled to call me whatever you want, but Im also entitled to my opinion. They are clueless. There is no leadership. The guy running the show and appointing coaches never coached above u10 boys soccer in CT. He has bowed to whatever political agenda suits his re-election. We seem to struggle to provide clear and consistent guidelines as to what sort of players we are looking for and how we want them developed. You seem to thin k that my decision to call them clueless refers to team selection. Not sure why. They announced a GDA. they made DCs from major clubs to travel to Chicago for a meeting and yet guess what – Heinrichs did not even attend . and guess what, at the time they had no Technical Director in place for the GDA. Thye are clueless as to how to run a federation. Clueless in how to organize and have failed to get the very people they need on board to build and grow the Youth game. They agreed to a CBA that in no way fosters competition. They have presided over a fairly serious slide in the results AND more importantly the style of soccer we play at youth level. Again, I say they are clueless.

            For such a large country where youth soccer requires an inclusive approach, they have managed to alienate so many people who could and would help by their high handed and arrogant treatment of people, so yes clueless in my opinion. I could give you a blank sheet of paper and ask you to come up with a plan for a one week training camp. I guarantee you that it would be better than many of theirs where , at the end of the week, they know ver ym little about the player they invited becasue they dont get to play in any real games. Also clueless.

            My basis for clueless has very little to do with my picks disagreeing with theirs. Thats is not grounds for being clueless – thats just a difference of opinion on players. In my opinion they are clueless becasue of the way they are running the USSF. . As far as player being interchangeable, how do they become that? If thats what you want , should you be encouraging Clubs to play kids at a variety of positions? I have no real issues with what they say they want, but i have major issues with running a system that is not designed to deliver what you say you want.

          • Bruce

            Every time you provide a glimpse inside USSF operations I cringe.

          • #1Fan

            apologies. I will stop. My issues have very little to do with team selection. it starts with Gulati

          • Bruce

            Not asking you to stop.

          • Breakers fan

            I don’t think Bruce said “I cringe” because you’re doing it, I think he said it because he is cringing at the content of what he is hearing. I like when you give inside glimpses and I bet Bruce does too, so my vote is “don’t stop”. But also don’t feel like you have to – it’s your call. I find it fascinating. I think everyone can interpret what he/she hears in his/her own way after hearing the content.

        • DNG

          I’d argue that Colaprico plays all 3 CM positons very well. She’s been called into camp but for some reason can’t even get 45 minutes of match time. The new players that stood out enough last camp to get game time were forwards with strong individual skill sets. Maybe she wouldn’t be a starter but I have a difficult time believing that Colaprico couldn’t hold her own against any team playing in central midfield with players like Brian, Long, and Sullivan around her.

        • DNG

          On Colaprico’s play for Adelaide. She does tend to drop deeper as oppose to creating from the hole but a lot of that I see as her coming back to support her CM partners in advancing the ball which I feel is necessary on that team. They also don’t have a lot of goal scoring power up front in my opinion. While she might not be creating much with Adelaide, I don’t necessarily think sitting a little deeper necessarily prevents her from creating offense and playing penetrating passes. She does pretty well at that from an even deeper position with the Red Stars. No matter where she plays I don’t really see her as a goal threat but that’s fine since she provides a lot of other good things.

          • Bruce

            I’m a fan. For CRS she plays a pure 6. Absolutely always.

            I get the need to fall back with Adelaide. They simply are not very good and ridiculously direct. After Colaprico, Huerta leads the the team in passes completed. If you are familiar with Huerta’s game, you know that’s a bad sign.

            I’ve got the feeling that JE wants Colaprico to prove her worth at the 8 and 10. Adelaide would be a better (counterattacking) team with her at the 6, but it seems they are committed to play her at CAM. Maybe an agreement with her signing?

          • Steglitz49

            Adelaide is a pleasant university town with a great performing arts tradition and close to the main winemaking area of Australia. Not a bad place to spend the winter months.

          • DNG

            Maybe the 8 but I doubt she wants Colaprico to play the 10. Many of Ellis’ recent formation lack a traditional 10. My guess is that her optimal positon, like Brian, is the 8 which operates a little deeper than a 10. She plays the pivot very well for the too and those two position are among the most needed for the USWNT. Also, just because she’s the most advanced Adelaide CM doesn’t mean she’s necessarily a CAM. I sometimes see their formation as a traditional 4-3-3 with two 8s above a pivot.

          • Steglitz49

            It is even simpler. Moe Brian is well established in the USWNT. Thus, the coach needs a reliable alternate to Moe, who can come on in case of injury or if Moe tires. Else JE needs midfield players who can take on other roles.

            JE is in no hurry. She has this crop of seniors and next years to assess and maybe even the odd one in 2019.

            I suspect playing in Australia may put the sign of Cain on you — not good enough for top clubs but not smart enough to rest and build your post-soccer career in your home country, the USA.

          • Bruce

            I just don’t believe that her mindset allows her to play the 10 or an attacking 8 at this point. I haven’t looked at the heatmaps on the W-League site, but I would bet that Colaprico almost never enters the box except on set plays. She’s got to learn to flip the switch in the attacking third to be considered for the NT.

            No one will make that roster as a straight #6.

          • DNG

            Maybe. I don’t agree with that mind set though and am skeptical. Amandine Henry hardly makes any runs into opposing team’s boxes as well and I seriously doubt Ellis would not select her if she was American. A quality 6 with good passing range is something I think this team has been missing for a while. Sullivan and Long hardly make any runs forward when they’re in the pivot either. I wonder if Colaprico’s size and athleticism are what are holding her back in Ellis’ mind more than her actual play. She’s such a smart player that I think she compensates for those deficiencies quite well.

          • Bruce

            I took a look at the touch maps from her recent W-League games.

            Excluding corners, she has 18 total touches within 26 yards of goal in her last four games while clearly playing CAM. If you watch the games, you’ll see how she simply lags behind, 40 yards from goal when Adelaide is on the attack instead of stepping up into the hole. It drives me nuts.

            Again, I’m a fan. There aren’t many players who execute the deep-lying pivot role as well.

          • DNG

            I think were getting a little off track here. I’m not sure I understand why Colaprico needs to be able to play as a 10 to get into the NT. That, almost definitely, wouldn’t be a role she’d be asked to fill. I don’t think the 10 is her best position but I don’t have much of an issue when she drops off to pick up the ball from her partners because they can’t find the forward passes. At least, that is what I see when I have watched Adelaide this year. I’ll see if I can’t go over some of the recent games if I can find a replay somewhere.

          • mockmook

            Maybe she isn’t “clearly playing CAM” if she isn’t joining the attack.

          • Bruce

            She’s got flanks on either side, a holding midfielder behind her and a lone forward in front. Don’t know what else to call that.

          • mockmook
    • Bruce

      There’s a significant number of worthy players in who won’t get an invite because they are playing in Australia until March. Colaprico is on that list. DiBernardo, too.

      • Steglitz49

        The mark of Cain: playing in the winter break in Australia.

        Real players either get contracts with top clubs or rest and work on the career post-WoSo. Thus, the sun-worshippers on Bondi beach fail on two counts.

    • Breakers fan

      One support vote for Hinkle here.

      What is Sullivan’s injury, do you or anyone else know?

      • guest123

        ACL during the College Cup

      • anon

        the lesbians all hate Hinkle for suspect tweets. you won’t find her to be a popular player among the large lesbian fan base.

        • Breakers fan

          I did not know that, interesting to hear, but of course that should have zero impact on whether she makes the team and I’m confident that it doesn’t. Still, thanks for that little glimpse of a corner of reality.

  • CED

    Only real surprise is no Leroux. She was supposedly training right after the birth with social media postings. She needs the time in real NT training after a yr lay off. Leroux and Arod must be given a chance post maternity leave, but both were marginal before leaving and will be shown the door after the mandatory 2017 chance. USSF can’t have them lose allocation, NT spot b/c of maternity or they could be sued. Williams is likely to take a spot if she shows like in the fall

    • guest

      someone suspected Leroux is somehow gaming the system to get a new contract automatically by not coming back until february or march. if ARod doesn’t show in January camp, they can choose to drop her and not offer her a new contract at the end of the month. idk if they will be forced to allocate leroux if she doesn’t come back until after these decisions are made but its interesting.

      • CED

        There is no chance USSF dropping Arod or Leroux without giving them 2017 contract. They open themselves up to a lawsuit potentially. Also, it’s unneeded bad PR, even if they won the case. There is nothing of importance in 2017 to force making that decision now.

        • Bruce

          Only 3 months required, though. Right?

          • kernel_thai

            Apparently USSF contracts r reviewed after 6 months. At that time they can make tier adjustments or decide to terminate Assuning neither is talked into retirement Leroux and A-Rod will get full contracts and be allocated as per the MOU.

          • guest

            has christy rampone’s contract been reviewed at all in the last two years?

          • kernel_thai

            It will be interesting to see if Rampone somehow makes the allocation list this month. My guess is she does not.

          • DNG

            I thought she made it pretty clear that she wasn’t interested in playing for the NT anymore last year.

          • kernel_thai

            Yes but USSF might still decide it is helping SkyBlue and the league by paying her NWSL contract for another year. Rampone hasn’t officially retired from the NT and she has as much service time as a human can have.

          • Steglitz49

            When will a new CBA be in place? Not too soon as it seems.

        • Steglitz49

          Verily and forsooth.

        • guest

          the american nwsl players should sue the uswnt for unequal opportunity which hopefully would lead to a uswnt equal opportunity pay to play model like the usmnt has.

          • Steglitz49

            They might want to get pregnant too at some point and then have the same benefits that players like ARod and Syd have had. ARod did game the system in 2012/13 though but that was understandable.

      • g2

        ARod gets a min of 3 months at same (tier#1) tier level upon returning from pregnancy leave (per CBA)

        similar situation for Leroux

        • kernel_thai

          Which make absolutely no sense. This month either Rodriguez will be allocated or she won’t. If she is allocated back to KC they r not going to terminate her contract before the NWSL season even starts. How is KC supposed to manage their cap if they don’t know that their allocated players won’t be part of it? If A-Rod is allocated I expect her contract will be paid thru the end of the NWSL season regardless whether she gets called into NT camps or not. The example fr this is Keelin Winters who received a contract at the start of 2013 but was only called into the Jan Camp.

    • mockmook

      I suspect Leroux just isn’t quite fit yet.

    • guest

      an opportunity shouldn’t mean they just automatically get handed a 12 month guaranteed contract regardless of performance. it should mean they get an opportunity to prove themselves in uswnt camp and a certain amount of uswnt games before a decision is made. the new cba need’s to be reformed to end uswnt unequal opportunity.

      • g3

        players who return to USWNT after a pregnancy leave, return at the same tier level for a min of 3 months
        nothing is firm (or required by CBA) beyond the 3 months

        while in the past some USWNT players have returned successfully post pregnancy leave to perform at level needed USWNT to retain roster spot, others have returned less successfully and been dropped.

      • CED

        That’s the system. The contracts are awarded at the beginning of the year in the allocation system. They don’t terminate comments unless you do something like Solo. At worst they tell players in Oct/Nov it’s terminated or won’t be renewed.

  • smallchief

    Well, the hunt for a new goalkeeper is on — with Campbell or Franch favored (by me) to get the job by 2019.

    Arod, I agree, is probably just a courtesy call up. The fight for those forward positions will be intense.

    Gibbons called up? And Smith? Very speculative. Cannon fodder? There are more deserving players.

    • What would make Franch a favorite of yours? Genuinely curious. She doesn’t even start for her club team.

      • smallchief

        She played a year for Western New York — and I thought she should have been selected as NWSL goalie of the year. Barnhardt won — but statistically Franch beat her in everything.

        Don’t get me wrong Barnhardt is a great goalie, but I thought Franch was better that year. .

        • Steglitz49

          Injury sidelined her. She, like Casey Short, rebuilt her career in Avaldsnes in Norway. The difference is that Casey made the 1st XI of Toppserien while Franch did not, which may speak to how well she rehabilitated.

    • Bruce

      Why still the hype for Campbell? As far as I can tell she didn’t even crack the top 100 in NCAA save percentage this season. Gave up close to a goal per game while playing on a dominant team.

      http://www.ncaa.com/stats/soccer-women/d1/current/individual/423

  • Bruce

    Highest players from fourfourtwo’s ranking of top 50 eligible not invited:

    11 – Hope Solo (suspended)
    14 – Vanessa DiBernardo (W-League)
    16 – Danielle Colaprico (W-League)
    17 – Mallory Pugh (let the kid rest)
    18 – Christine Rampone (NT retired)
    23 – Abby Dahlkemper (W-League)
    25 – Nicole Barnhart (excluded)
    26 – Christine Nairn (W-League)
    28 – Lauren Barnes (W-League)
    29 – Heather O’Reilly (NT retired)
    30 – Andi Sullivan (injured)

    http://www.fourfourtwo.com/us/uswnt-top-50

    • Bruce

      Players invited to camp NOT in fourfourtwo’s top 50…

      Jane Campbell
      Taylor Smith
      Christina Gibbons
      Amy Rodriguez

      • guest

        Any WNY Flash fans out there who can provide additional information on Taylor Smith? I don’t remember hearing much about her during the season, though she has a generic name. If I did my research right, middling (27 career goals, 2G/2A senior year) forward out of UCLA who appears to have been converted to an outside midfielder/defender for WNY, where I assume she must have done very well?

        • Bruce

          Thinking the same thing. I must have watched 6 or 7 WNY games last season and she really didn’t leave much of an impression with me.

        • Lindsey

          I am a WNY fan and I am surprised to see Smith on the list. Not because she’s not a good player, she is, but she was mostly a sub for Doniak on a team that has more offensive players than they needed. Then again that is expected on a Paul Riley team. I expected to see Doniak getting called in before Smith purely because Doniak actually became a consistent starter eventually this year and from my understanding she had a good college career. I am also surprised to see Jess McDonald getting another shot since she wasn’t really impressive when she played for the NT last year and the fact that she is likely coming up on the tail end of her career.

          • guest

            Thank you! Really interesting. Wow, so I’m even more surprised now to know she doesn’t start, and is behind Doniak on WNY’s depth chart. Wonder what gives?

          • Lindsey

            UCLA connection with Jill maybe? Even though Jill did leave that coaching position a year before Smith’s freshman year.

      • mockmook

        All four (depending on form) might deserve to be in the top 50

        • Bruce

          I’m just the messenger.

          Gibbons and Smith are big surprises to me. I’ve seen both play (though not much) in the last 12 months and really wasn’t impressed.

          I’m struggling to understand why DiBernardo cannot even get a sniff. You would think that a team committed to possession soccer in search of attacking midfielders would bring in one of the NWSL’s standouts.

          • Breakers fan

            Yeah, Gibbons for me remains a ?. I wonder if she can be as good in the pros as she was in college. I see her as a smart, hard-working player — but I don’t know how “toolsy” she is – and I wonder how required it is, ultimately, to be toolsy to be good in the NWSL. I am rooting for her.

          • #1Fan

            When you play at Duke, how often are you on the worse team? I dont think the selector try hard enough to really find players

          • Breakers fan

            Right – re: Duke and how it’s harder to judge players on very good teams.
            About your 2nd point I think you may be right. Reputation, past YNT system time, seem to go pretty far. I’m keeping my jury out about her for now but your point about the selectors not working hard enough to “really finding players” resonates with me too.

          • #1Fan

            I say this often. Take a club like PDA in NJ. When are those kids ever on the weaker team? Are they better than a kid who is making a mediocre group competitive? Are they as hungry? Or are they just on a deep, good team ? I think there is far too much reputation based scouting and not enough actual watching of players. If i have acres of space because the teams I play are far worse do i look better than the one kid on a team who is attracting double and triple teams because she is the only real threat ? Its food for thought and I think the USSF just dont look hard enough at the details at youth level and then it becomes self fulfilling.

          • Breakers fan

            Excellent post. For the very good players you reference on the mediocre teams one can only hope that somehow a good college program does notice them and that then their abilities come to light more clearly.

          • Steglitz49

            I am not persuaded that his post adds value, let alone is excellent.

            This is because in such a large country with so many lasses playing soccer, at some point the scouting will be arbitrary. A scout simply can’t go to all matches and see every player many times.

          • Breakers fan

            Read it again. He makes good points. He’s basically saying there are degrees of perception, that the best scouts don’t just see the flash or the winners, they watch every player on the field and give them all equal attention and so may feel like the best player in a game was one who was on the losing end of a 5-0 game. I think that can be true but i don’t know how often scouts actually read a game like that, assuming there is an exceptional player on a poor team who deserves to be graded like that.

          • Steglitz49

            Your point is well taken but reality is reality. There are good scouts and there are bad scouts. College coaches each rely on their string of scouts that they trust. With so many players to chose from, the difference between #1 and #10 in the list is trivial.

            How else can you explain that a country like Sweden with a population 1/30th of the USA’s can not just put the US out of OG-16 but also tied in WC-15 and actually beat them in WC-11? That Norway, population 1/60th of the US has an even better record than Sweden?

          • HOFCToDi

            Give me a break.

            The NFL is littered with scouts and yet NFL franchises manage to screw up first round draft picks on an annual basis.

            Yet, you make it sound like it’s an exact science.

          • Steglitz49

            Thank you for your support. (The same goes for the NHL.)

          • Breakers fan

            I’ve used the exact words “scouting is clearly not an exact science” several times on this board and for the reason you gave. All I’m saying here is that it’s possible for one scout to be better than another and the better one is the one who looks at the players, on both teams, during a game. Don’t make what I said into something bigger than what than what I said. I’m not saying a scout or all scouts can reach perfection and scout every athlete in exact order across a nation but that they should pay attention to everyone and that the best ones do notice the real talent the most effectively.

          • HOFCToDi

            The High Cost of American Coaching

            topdrawersoccer.com/the91stminute/2016/07/the-high-cost-of-american-coaching/

            “The coaching apparatus in this country is desperately trying to keep up with the boom. And it has not done a particularly good job.”

            The Great American Scouting Crisis

            topdrawersoccer.com/the91stminute/2015/08/the-great-american-scouting-crisis/

            “Even if MLS does spend $30 million on dev every year, that’s $1.5 million per club. Bundesliga clubs spend about $80 million per year. Per club. Just to put that number into global perspective.”

          • Bohemian

            That article is bullshit. Bundesliga Clubs are not spending 80 million dollars on that per club per year. The turnover of an average Bundesliga club is around 100 millions. Just discount the salaries of all their professional players and you get an idea how ridiculous the 80 million figure of that article is

          • Steglitz49

            Johan Cruyff got his chance because his mum was a cleaner working at the club Ajax.
            Johan’s dad had died and his mum did several jobs to keep the family afloat. One was to clean the offices of the premier football club in Amsterdam. Allegedly, she asked the coach to come and watch her son play.

          • Steglitz49

            The USA is a huge country with tons of young ladies playing. At some point the scouting becomes arbitrary because you can’t go to every single match.

          • HOFCToDi

            Youth All-Americans and Players of the Year

            nscaa.com/web/web/News/Articles/November_2016/NSCAA_Announces_Youth_All-Americans_and_Players_of_the_Year.aspx

          • Breakers fan

            HOFC – I’m quite aware of the accolades she has received. I’m going on what I have seen. I don’t always automatically defer to the so-called experts.

          • HOFCToDi

            So you know more than NCAA Division I coaches?

            Okay ……………………………………………………………..

          • Breakers fan

            I said she’s a question mark to me. maybe yes, maybe no. Let’s re-visit this 2 years from now, ok? If you forget I’ll remind you. Until then nobody knows, not even college coaches, what her future as a player will be for sure. Do you acknowledge the truth of that? Keep in mind the meaning of the work “knows”.

          • HOFCToDi

            Jill Ellis has at least 27 months to finalize a FIFA Women’s World Cup roster.

            Meanwhile, Bruce Arena has to clean up Jurgen Klinsmann’s mess. I’m not sure who is the bigger idiot, Matt Beard or Jurgen Klinsmann. So much for European superiority.

          • Breakers fan

            Good point. Enough time to look at Gibbons and for Jordan to still rise up. This year’s draft and next season will be big for Beard, no doubt. I’m glad Klinsmann is gone.

          • HOFCToDi

            Taking account the disparity in FIFA Women’s Rankings, Pia Sundhage orchestrated the worst loss in USWNT history. If CONCACAF was only allotted two slots for the 2011 FIFA Women’s World Cup, the USWNT would have failed to qualify. I’ll will repeat, the USWNT would have failed to qualify. Yet, Jill Ellis is somehow considered incompetent. It’s all about World Cup trophies.

          • Steglitz49

            The worst loss? The loss in WC-11 which fortunately was in the group game unlike OG-16?

          • Breakers fan

            What do you think of her from the I’m sure at least 5, 6 Duke games you’ve seen over the last few years?

          • HOFCToDi

            The USWNT coaching staff needs to “vet” left backs for the future of the USWNT. Klingenberg is 28 years old. Short is 26 years old. Gibbons is 22 years old.

          • Breakers fan

            That makes some sense. Personally, until proven otherwise I like Short a good deal better – a player 26 has possibly 5, 6 more good years in her. I like Hinkle better. I like Tegan McGrady (Stanford) better. I like Julia Bingham (USC) better and I’m blanking on one more I like at left back. Just my opinion and time may prove me wrong but everyone is just dispensing opinions here, time will tell.

          • HOFCToDi

            Hot off the presses.

            NWSL – 2017 NWSL Draft – Chris’ Big Board Top 25

            allwhitekit.com/?p=15196#more-15196

            “Her versatility in being able to play just about anywhere on the pitch should help her cause, though you have to figure she’ll find her best role at full-back, the role she filled at the U20 World Cup.”

          • Steglitz49

            Casey struggled to rebuild her career. She went and played for Avaldsnes, a tiny hamlet in the Westland of Norway, and made the 1st XI of the Toppserien.

            Such players must be rewarded and have a chance to prove themselves. In the final analysis, Casey may not get to go to France in 2019 but she deserves a chance.

          • Breakers fan

            Thanks for her background. She’s my first guess for who our starting LB in France in 2019 will be, unless a youngster rises quickly through the ranks. I personally wouldn’t mind Hinkle playing there either.

          • Steglitz49

            Thank you for your kind words. I am not persuaded that Casey is quite fast enough, which may be a lingering effect of her injury.

            Franch, who also, went to Avaldsnes to rehabilitate, I am less convinced about. Adrianna was on track to be Hope’s replacement, when she injured herself early on in 2014. I am a bit surprised that she is being brought to camp but maybe JE wants her to get a decent chance too.

          • Breakers fan

            Speed is one of Casey’s best attributes, unless I’ve scouted her completely erroneously.
            Franch I’m totally open-minded about, have seen her very little, have hopes for her based on the fact that she has gotten called in a few times, so experienced soccer people do see something promising in her.

          • Steglitz49

            Your point is well taken. I may have misjudged it but I got the impression that Casey is not as fast as she used to be but her season for Chicago may have sharpened her up.

            Norway is not short of good female players though many play abroad, so Casey being in the 1st XI of the Toppserie is not insignificant. I wonder what casey made of plying her trade in a village of less than 3000 souls?

          • Steglitz49

            I would be prepared to give Casey Short a bit more opportunity to prove herself but generally I am on your side on this point (as you know well).

          • Breakers fan

            Did you note that these all-knowing college coaches have Savannah McCaskill, Stephanie Ribeiro and Margaret Purce ahead of Savannah Jordan? No disrespect to those ladies – I’ve seen all 3 of them and think they’re all very good, but I wouldn’t put them ahead of Jordan. Time may prove me wrong but that’s my opinion at this time.

          • HOFCToDi

            That’s your opinion and the NCAA Division I coaches based the evaluation for the 2016 NCAA Division I season not all four years.

          • Breakers fan

            yes, and they should base it on this year alone. That said a look purely at statistics shows that Jordan had 16 goals and 9 assists, while Purce had 12 goals and 4 assists, so that begs for an explanation on that basis, and Florida is obviously playing much tougher competition than Harvard. That said I do like Purce.
            Ribeiro – my hat goes off to her in a big way – she had 21 goals and 14 assists – she earned it, though the American Athletic Conference is not the SEC.
            McCaskill played in the SEC like Jordan and had 17 goals and 11 assists. A great year. She is fun to watch – total bulldog. You see her and expect zip and she provides a good deal more than that. Not sure how good of a pro she’ll be but I’m sure she’s been dealing with naysayers all her life.

          • HOFCToDi

            Did you watch the SEC Championship Game? If so, please reveal to all what was stated during the match.

          • Breakers fan

            yes i did watch it. “What was stated” — a few thousand things. What are you getting at?

          • HOFCToDi

            Savannah Jordan declined an invitation to the USWNT. The reasons were not discussed.

          • Breakers fan

            Correct and you’ll see that I disclosed this same factoid elsewhere in this thread. And I too didn’t hear why she declined it but why else would she have done it other than that she felt a fierce loyalty to the Gators, a place and team she’d invested the last 4 years or her life to and in, and felt that the NT could wait. That’s speculation but it seems the most likely explanation to me.

          • HOFCToDi

            Academics may be more important to Savannah Jordan than the majority of college athletes.

            seniorclassaward.com/athletes/savannah_jordan/

          • Breakers fan

            Excellent link, thank you. One other thing one sees within that link is that she’s been the captain of their soccer team for the last 2 years, which I think was another reason she didn’t want to ditch her teammates in the middle of her Senior season, for any reason. I applaud that. It’s extremely rare, maybe unprecedented.

          • Steglitz49

            Graduating is well worth the effort. Loyalty counts too in the greater world.

          • Steglitz49

            Vow!

            Playing hard to get, injured, religious conviction or just arrogance?

          • Breakers fan

            Thanks for this list – I at first assumed it was something about Gibbons but glad to see what it is.

          • HOFCToDi

            NCAA Division I Women’s All-America Teams

            nscaa.com/web/web/News/Articles/December_2016/NCAA_Division_I_Women_s_All-America_Teams_Announced_by_NSCAA.aspx

          • DNG

            I probably haven’t given enough attention to DiBernardo here but I feel similarly about her as I do Colaprico. I think she deserves a call up and game time.

      • #1Fan

        Driesse ?

        • Breakers fan

          Do you like Driesse a lot? I’m still yet to really see her play. I know mockmook is a big fan.

          • #1Fan

            She is a NJ kid. Seen her play a lot. She is a high IQ player. Im just saying she has at least mede her bones and if we are choosing between her and a 16 yr old ….

          • Breakers fan

            Gotcha and I agree about how dues paid should be rewarded. Is the 16 year old Sanchez or Pinto or both?

            to hear a bit more about her: How technical is Driesse and how quick/fast? Trying to get a feel for her game. I know she’s not very tall but that hasn’t hurt Kim Little so I don’t put too much stock in the height factor.

          • HOFCToDi

            Driesse is on the list.

            NWSL – 2017 NWSL Draft – Chris’ Big Board Top 25

            allwhitekit.com/?p=15196#more-15196

      • kernel_thai

        It was their top 50 for 2016 so A-Rod wasn’t going to make it regardless of what they thought of her as she didn’t play the whole year.

    • Thanks I was wondering about Pugh and Andi.

  • guest

    No Andrews, no Jordan… if I were some of these top prospect college players I’d be looking overseas.

    • #1Fan

      Andrews is in .

    • Timber Dave

      No Emily Menges? What will it take? If Emily Sonnett is invited — and she is, deservedly so — why not Menges? Menges was unquestionably better than Sonnett last year for the Thorns, and the USWNT could really use her skill and speed in defense.

      • rkmid71

        Agree … particularly if Menges was unquestionably better last year in a similar position. We definitely need more speed in the CB, at least one of them. I’m hoping the Long experiment ends soon, not going to work.

      • DNG

        I actually don’t think Menges was unquestionably better. I do think she was better of the two but they weren’t far off. I see Sonnett as easily the better player in a year or so though. Sonnett is more athletic(not faster) and also notably better with the ball at her feet which is key for NT CBs now. Both need to learn to move the ball quick while under pressure and work on their distribution but if they get that down under Parson who like to play from the back, they should both be with the NT.

  • Gary Diver

    Is the January camp the basis for SBC roster? After SBC there doesn’t appear to be anything of importance for USWNT for 1 1/2 years.

    Rationally there has to be one or two warm-up matches before SBC. Going into SBC cold could be Ellis’ Waterloo.

    Is this the end of Meghan Klingenberg or is she injured? It would take a miracle for her to make the WC19 roster.

    Why Jaelene Hinkle? Why not Emily Menges?

    Does this mean Pugh will not play in SBC? That is hard to believe.

    Surprised A-Rod made camp and Leroux did not. A-Rod is a one-dimensional player with no future with USWNT. If Ellis’ long-term goal is to win WC19 she needs A-Rod like she needed HAO for WC15.

    It will be interesting to see how seriously Leroux takes her “comeback”. She peaked 3 years ago at the ripe old age of 23. BUT Ellis claims Leroux is one of the hardest working players she’s coached so we will see if we see Leroux again in a USWNT kit.

    Probably Danny Colaprico’s ship has left port. With Rose Lavelle and possibly Morgan Andrews in the future, her stock has dropped. Maybe she is just too small and too fragile for USWNT play.

    Know nothing about Kristen Edmonds, Christina Gibbons, and Taylor Smith. What is Ellis looking for? What have they done to deserve a call-up?

    • CED

      SBC was scheduled for 3 years with same teams, this is year 2. So, there is another SBC before the 11/2 years before Wcup quals. SBC are glorified friendlies, but may be the only non tomato can teams the USWNT plays in the interim.

      Kling is injured. Arod and Leroux must be given a chance post maternity leave, part legal reasons and it would be bad PR not to give them a chance. Both should be shown the door in at the end of 2017.

      First, when looking at anything Ellis does you have to realize she is essentially clueless and lucked into a Wcup. USSF handcuffed themselves to dead hooker, as the saying does.

      • Gary Diver

        Unfortunately it may be a long 1 1/2 years for Equalizer readers/posters – the “Great USWNT Desert”.

      • Steglitz49

        The post-maternity point is well taken. The players are free to decline, of course.

    • HOFCToDi

      Ellis Calls 29 players to U.S. Soccer National Training Center …………………

      ussoccer.com/stories/2017/01/04/20/26/20170104-wnt-2017-january-camp-roster-release-ellis-calls-29-players-to-carson

      “Additional Notes:

      Forward Mallory Pugh (knee) and defender Meghan Klingenberg (back) were not available for this camp due to lingering injuries. Both are expected to be available for selection for the SheBelieves Cup.”

      • Gary Diver

        Thank you, this answers a couple of my questions. Though Klingenberg needs to be phased out before WC19 – there has to be better OBs playing in the NWSL.

        • Steglitz49

          These comments show why one should not block HOFCToDi. He writes perfectly clear and lucid comments, to the point, and with good info.

    • HOFCToDi

      ROFLMAO!

      Sunil Gulati only cares about FIFA World Cup Qualifications.

    • Steglitz49

      What is the average age of this crew?

      How can Pinoe be in?

  • Steglitz49

    “Blowin’ in the wind” — “The times are a’changing” ….

  • Lance Scallop

    Just another reason I have no interest paying attention to this team anymore

    • Which is?

    • Guest

      She has brought in countless players from the league and many college ones, what more do you want? She has even given chances to older NWSL players to reward their good play despite that they might not be in the picture for that much longer.

      • guest

        and they rarely get much uswnt friendly game time. the starting uswnt vets have to get all the minutes to pad their stats against the tomato can teams.

        • guest

          100 goals and 100 shutouts is more important than young player development.

        • guest

          that’s true. ellis brings in nwsl and college players into camp. but barely gives them any playing time in the uswnt friendlies. maybe she doesn’t want the public to see them play better than the veterans.

  • Paul Klee

    The “b” team (u-23) call ups for a concurrent camp at Carson.

    U-23 Women’s National Team Roster by Position:

    GOALKEEPERS (4): Laurel Ivory (West Florida Flames; Surfside, Fla.), Casey Murphy (Rutgers; Bridgewater,nJ.), Madalyn Schiffel (Seattle Reign FC; Citrus Heights, Calif.), Hannah Seabert (Pepperdine; Riverside, Calif.)

    DEFENDERS (8): Maddie Bauer (Stanford; Newport Beach, Calif.), Mandy Freeman (USC; Royal Palm Beach, Fla.), Tavia Leachman (Utah; Long Beach, Calif.), Kayla Mills (USC; West Covina, Calif.), Sydney Miramontez (Nebraska; Lenexa, Kan.), Gabrielle Seiler (Florida; Peachtree City, Ga.), Erica Skroski (Sky Blue FC; New Brunswick, N.J.), Samantha Witteman (Orlando Pride; Redondo Beach, Calif.)

    MIDFIELDERS (11): Morgan Andrews (USC; Milford, N.H.), Tierna Davidson (Stanford; Menlo Park, Calif.), Jordan DiBiasi (Stanford; Littleton, Colo.), Megan Dougherty Howard (Florida; Largo, Fla.), Tyler Lussi (Princeton; Lutherville, Md.), Ifeoma Onumino (California; Rancho Cucamonga, Calif.), Toni Payne (Duke; Birmingham, Ala.), Brianna Pinto (CASL; Durham, N.C.), Margaret Purce (Harvard; Silver Spring, Md.), Morgan Proffitt (Marquette; Columbus, Ind.), Ashley Sanchez (So Cal Blues; Monrovia, Calif.)

    FORWARDS (7): Makenzy Doniak (Western New York Flash; Chino Hills, Calif.), Danica Evans (Colorado; Lakewood, Colo.), Ashley Hatch (BYU; Gilbert, Ariz.), Sarah Luebbert (Missouri; Jefferson City, Mo.), Savannah McCaskill (South Carolina; Chapin, S.C.), Hailey Skolmoski (Utah; Riverton, Utah), Crystal Thomas (Georgetown; Elgin, Ill

    Sanchez listed as a mid?

    • Gary Diver

      There are some interesting names here. For fun I would love to see the “B” team play the “A” team.

      • #1Fan

        There are some utterly ridiculous names in that team. Players who have no business being there. You just cannot take US Soccer seriously when they do these things. The U17 kids should not be here .PERIOD This sense of being part of an entitled CLUB is killing al credibility they have left amongst people who know the game. Some of these kids played poorly in the WC. let them go home and think about it for a while.

        • Steglitz49

          The U23 squad has no real role. Until the Olympics make its WoSo U23 + a few >35 years, like the men, being in the U23 adds no value.

        • mockmook

          OK, now you ARE talking about players, not just management.

          But it is disingenuous to say these players are awful, but never say who you are talking about.

          That’s a great way to never be wrong — I bet the coaches wish they had your “job”

          • #1Fan

            I was very clear. The U17 kids have no business being there.

          • #1Fan

            And where did I say they were awful ?

    • #1Fan

      And there is no way this is the B team. its a really random selection of players

      • Paul Klee

        Profit deserves to be there if for no other reason than the bicycle golden goal in the big east semifinal.

    • Breakers fan

      Gotta wonder how many, for whatever reason, declined an invite to this U23 camp, Savannah Jordan being the first who comes to my mind.

      • #1Fan

        kids do not decline unless injured

        • Breakers fan

          Ok, thanks, that’s good to know. With Jordan, though — you know that she did decline a NT call-up during Florida’s season last year, right? My one possible thought with her was that she may want to finish up schoolwork pre-NWSL draft so she can graduate early and be done with academics prior to the NWSL season…..but I don’t know if that’s a realistic possibility, it was just me grasping for an explanation for why she isn’t here…

          • #1Fan

            in school when it conflicts is a bit different. I should have clarified that. Kids refused to red shirt.

          • Breakers fan

            Do you think Jordan is injured, then? Or, if not, what’s your best guess to explain her absence here?

          • #1Fan

            Honestly there is no way to know. I can tell you that i KNOW kids who were told they were going to be in camp almost a month ago so go figure.

          • Breakers fan

            You mean this U23 camp, right? Is that odd to be told a month in advance? I’m not sure I get your point there.

            Shea Groom crossed my mind and I looked it up and saw that she is 23 but I don’t know what the birthdate deadline is for this U23 team, do you? She was born in March of 1993. If she’s eligible she should be there.

          • Rdalford

            In 2017 the age cut off for U-23 is born on/after Jan 1, 1994
            from us soccer U-23 roster announcement
            … from 1994 (which is the age cut-off for this year’s U-23 WNT)

          • Breakers fan

            Ok, thank you! So Groom is too old. When I saw Doniak on there I figured Groom may also qualify but as it turns out Groom is almost a full year older than Doniak, I may have it wrong that they went in the same draft, I’ll have to look it up.

          • Breakers fan

            Yep, I’m wrong, one year apart in the draft.

          • #1Fan

            Point is that a month ago was pre the Strikers camp and the WC debacle was even fresher. If I were on that U20 or U17 team the signal im getting is that we were all responsible for the awful play EXCEPT the few that were selected here. That is terrible man management.

          • Breakers fan

            I see your point now, thanks, and I agree – after those 2 WCs I think you just put those young players back to work, don’t reward them in this big way. I hadn’t thought of it that way before.

          • Steglitz49

            Till the IOC makes WoSo U23 + a few >35 players, like for the guys, being in the U23 is meaningless because the top notch U23 go into the senior team directly.

          • Steglitz49

            You are honored indeed because #1Fan, like the Painter, blocks commentators left, right and centre. Neither can abide commentators who disagree with them. You have obviously found the right level of obeisance without coming across as pompously servile.

    • Bruce

      Going to celebrate what I can. Happy to see Sydney Miramontez get an invitation. Maybe the best CB I watched this year in college. I think this is her first call-up at any level.

      • mockmook

        Weird. She isn’t registered for the draft. Hope she adds her name.

        • Bruce

          She would be a steal in an open tryout.

          • mockmook

            Just had this discussion with Breakers fan:

            My understanding is that if a player doesn’t at least put their name in for the draft, then they can’t play in the NWSL that year.

            But, she has a few more days.

      • Guest

        I’m confused about this. Sydney Miramontez is from the KC area. She is known as a central midfielder and play maker here and for the Huskers. She is excellent set-pieces and corner kicks. Her little sister Sinclaire Miramontez was a center-back who started for the Huskers this season. I’m confused as to why they would call in Sydney as a center-back…when SINCLAIRE Miramontez is the center back.

        • Bruce

          In the games I watched later in the season and Big10 tournament, it was the other way around, with Sinclaire playing OLB. Sydney was anchoring the back line. She made first team B10 tournament as a CB.

          Maybe this changed as the season went on? I know that Sydney moved back from the midfield this season after leading the team in assists. IMHO, she could be a great CB, and I’d love to see her on a NWSL roster.

    • Steglitz49

      Madalyn Schiffel played a season for Avaldsnes, the Norwegian club where Casey Short and Adrianna Franch rebuilt their careers after injury.

    • kernel_thai

      Any news on whether Snow and French have been retained to build on their four years of awful performances on the youth level? Is the TD still sitting on her fat ass ignoring the failing at the youth WCs? Will Ellis make another 180 turn in the program if SBC doesn’t go well? Ugh.

      • Paul Klee

        Not optimistic with the new year, huh?

        • kernel_thai

          Im just big on Cause & Effect. They need to learn from their mistakes not build on them.

          • rkmid71

            That would require them to acknowledge mistakes, at least among themselves.

  • guest

    where is christy rampone??? does this mean after two years of non-playing and one year of non-practicing that she is no longer allocated on the team? or does this just mean she still get’s paid and doesn’t have to show up for practice or games this year?

    • Another career?

      In November 2016:
      …Olympic Gold medalist and World Cup champion, is talking about her next step: opening two Jersey Mike’s Subs shops in Toms River with her husband, Chris….
      http://www.app.com/story/money

      • rkmid71

        Is she still allocated and getting paid by USSF? Maybe USSF has a stake in Jersey Mike’s in Tom’s River?

    • guest

      never again can anyone argue that uswnt annual salary contracts are not guaranteed. unless of course you are a hope solo disaster.

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    • Anson

      Same old, Same old! I hate to do this since I surely don’t want to help out the WNT staff but who is going to play DEFENSE in the mid field? Not one of these invites can play defense, pass the ball, has speed and the intelligence to run the offense. Amazing!

      • mockmook

        Ever hear of Morgan Brian?

        Also, Lavelle played most of the season as DM at Wisconsin — and she was smashing…

      • mockmook

        Oh, I also forgot the late addition of Killion.

        Also, Sullivan will return, and they have Driesse and K.Mills in the pipeline.

  • Cc W

    Fine to bring people in, but would like to see them play in a game rather than just build out the scrimmage. If bringing in ARod means she’ll get her send off, I’m all for it – otherwise, she’s just taking time from a young player. Interested to see Campbell in goal, but doubtful she gets any minutes in a game.

    • Steglitz49

      As has been noted elsewhere by many and various posters, ARod is coming back off maternity leave. Essentially USSF are obliged to bring her to camp for a while. Why Leroux is not in camp is a more interesting question but maybe that relates to maternity leave too.

      • kernel_thai

        They r obliged to give her a full contract and keep her for at least six months.

        • guest

          USSF can terminate player’s contract at any time (with 3 months severance). Players returning from pregnancy leave get min of 3 months at prior tier level but then can be dropped (with severance) at any time. Net is player will get paid for at least 6 months but last 3 months might be severance.

          • guest

            in theory yes. but in practice almost never happens during the contract year. if the uswnt won’t terminate christy rampone’s contract after two years of not playing and one year of not even practicing then they won’t terminate anyones. #equalplayequalopportunity

          • kernel_thai

            They can terminate them for cause…Im not sure they can terminate them based on performance. It defeats the entire reason for a player to sign a contract.

  • guest

    how does a goalie that wasn’t even the starting goalkeeper for her club last year get called up to the national team?

    • guest

      simple. club team performance is not important to the uswnt. if it was, half the players on the uswnt would no longer be on the team.

      • #1Fan

        this is a fact. I can go further and say performances in GAMES is not important. Beep tests and drills are.

        • Kevin

          If beep tests mattered, HAO would be a starter until she turns 40.

          • #1Fan

            why did she last as long as she did ? Why did Rampone ?

          • Kevin

            How many minutes did she play?

          • #1Fan

            Its not the point. She was an allocated player getting paid. going to camps at the expanse of another player.

          • Kevin

            Did Abby, Rampone, Boxx, Chalupny have great beep tests?

          • #1Fan

            of those only Wamabch did not, but when you score more goals than anyone else you get a pass. Rampone is legendary for her fitness and speed

          • Steglitz49

            How do you explain Pinoe’s inclusion in OG-16?

          • DNG

            I’d argue Rampone is still playing at a pretty high level in the NWSL. She said her body couldn’t handle playing for the NT but if there was an exception made for an older player last year she’d be it for me.

          • #1Fan

            Im biased. I think she is great. Much much better than JJ.

          • DNG

            I don’t think it’s a stretch at all to claim that Rampone is still a much better defender than JJ. I thought Rampone was excellent for Sky Blue and I think played every minute of every match. JJ much was less sure at the back for me for Chicago. She still get’s caught in possession and is slow to react to danger.

          • #1Fan

            Rampone does not think she can play to HER high standards as often and chose SB. She is a a champion and always will be to me. In a one off game for the US , i would have no issue picking her.

          • Guest

            well, in the latter part of her career anyway, abby was an alcoholic and cigarette smoker. i was surprised she was able to make any runs at all at the WC

          • Kevin

            She didn’t make any runs in the WC, many jogs and walks, but no runs.

          • #1Fan

            Cruyff smoked.

          • Guest

            True there are athletes who smoke and still seem to have a high level of fitness. I had a friend in college who was a great lacrosse player but a habitual cigarette and marijuana smoker.

          • Steglitz49

            He got a heart attack, stopped smoking but lung cancer claimed him in the end.

          • guestt

            it takes time to do a lot of damage…. a young person can probably get away with it. someone abby’s age… probably not. she could barely run at all. say what you will about Lloyd but she seems to have a very high fitness level. heather mitts and rampone were older players at the end of their careers but masters of the beep test.

          • mockmook

            “cigarette”

            Is that what the kids are calling it these days 🙂

          • #1Fan

            Believe me, they are slaves to this stuff. they do physical and/or technical testing. One of the tests is juggling the ball with your head. Please explain the in game significance of that. They have numbers for every position that are considered optimum. Trust me on this one.

          • Steglitz49

            Alex Morgan’s most famous goal is a header.

            Alex’s goal against Italy in 2010 was scored from off a headed flick-on. She scored that one with her weaker right foot (as she did against Germany in the SBC).

            Don’t disdain the humble header.

          • Kevin

            Sorry, I don’t believe you at all.

            I believe you when you say that they do this, but there’s no way this has any significance on who makes the roster.

          • Steglitz49

            It is an interesting question: what has significance on who makes rosters and thereby get the chance to advance their careers.

            An interesting observation in women’s sport is how many beauties there are and the worst you can say of someone is that they are a plane Jane.

            Granted, women who excel at sport train hard and look after themselves but it does not explain the overrepresentation of goodlooking, handsome and personable ladies.

            This could, granted, be a chicken and egg situation but I suspect as girls start playing, those with a winsome and cheerful disposition, and also the pretty ones, catch the eyes of the training staff.

          • #1Fan

            so lets say you are correct, but you believe me that they do it. Then why would they waste time and effort doing this at every level from YNT on up AND recording all the numbers?

            http://assets.ngin.com/attachments/document/0036/1949/Technical_Tests_-_U_S__W-YNT_Program_-_FINAL_-_January_2013.pdf

            I found this online.

          • Breakers fan

            Thanks for providing this. Good find. Seeing these drills is interesting because it lets us in on something that goes on in training camps, gives us a glimpse of one part of training sessions. The question about it all is: Is it worthwhile? Then, how is the data interpreted in relation to all the other data they see in training about a player? We’ll never really know the answer to the 2nd question because we’re not in their heads and don’t know how much weight they give to the results of these tests, nor will we ever even hear the results, unless you have some inside source who could tell you.

            So back to the first question: Do these drills have a value? Should they be done? Do they add anything, over time and repetition, to the skill level of the player? Although I definitely agree with you that seeing a player in a scrimmage is much more important than placing a lot of importance on her numbers in these tests I do think there is a place for these drills. Why? Because it just gives you practice in certain areas of the game. The head juggling forces you to use the muscles that you use in heading a ball. Those muscles aren’t normally used and it’s good to work them out, I feel. All the other drills are I think have similar value. In a scrimmage you may not get to do these things that often, so practicing them I think can only help. But I do fully acknowledge your point that it’s more important to see if a player can do them in a game situation, with defenders on her than it is with no defenders on her. But still I think that hitting shots at goal, hitting long balls, with coaches watching (that is some amount of pressure, which is good) is a good thing. It helps you develop skill. I mean, what if you play in 5 scrimmages and it turns out you only take 1 shot or hit 1 long ball? You won’t get a lot of practice doing those things.

            As a coach you could tell a player — “Do these things on your own. Take 100 shots a day or every other day. Take a 100 long balls (to a defender)”,. “Do figure 8 speed dribbling every day for 15 minutes” and I think that players ideally should be going out on their own and doing these drills but how many do? I think by measuring the results it gets at least closer to simulating a game because pressure is on, like in a game. It ups the stakes to push your limits – you’re being watched, you’re being measured.

            Bottom line is that I’m good with the drills happening, but like you I would place a lot more importance on watching a player in a 11 on 11 scrimmage and then games vs. opponents than I would on these test results. The drills just provide repetition, practice of things that happen in a game, they try to slowly develop soccer skills, as I see it. What do you think?

          • Breakers fan

            To reply to myself.. I would ask: What do the French do? What do the Japanese do? What do the Germans do in their training sessions? Have they “moved beyond” doing drills? Have they advanced to a very different sort of training session than we what we do? Ones that produce “their kind” of player, as people like to say and think? I don’t know, I’m sincerely wondering…

          • DNG

            I find it difficult to believe that any of these drills provide some training that playing and juggling on your own would not. I don’t think players like Messi and Ronaldinho learned how to dribble by dribbling around cones all day when they were young.

          • Breakers fan

            I talked about doing them on your own in my reply and I agree with you, but with “doing them on your own” you, as a coach, don’t know if a player will do that. It can’t be enforced. You can tell them to do it but who knows if they wlll, and you won’t see them do it so you have no idea how good they are doing at it. Taking a little time in training each day, and call it warming-up if you want, I don’t think is wrong, or a stupid use of time. But don’t take up too much of the training session with them.

            Dribbling around cones as opposed to dribbling completely free-style, as you’re picturing Messi and co. doing…..good question. One we’d have to ask them about. I’m not going to automatically assume it’s a bad drill. It does force you to make cuts at short intervals and keep making them back and forth. I think it has some value.

          • DNG

            None of these drills present players with in game situations. I a drill you are repeatedly making similar cuts around the cones with little variation. In a game situation the timing and angle of a cut to avoid a tackle is constantly changing. You are right that these players may not train these skills on their own but the ones who really care and want to excel will. I’m not sure about their training but I’ve heard reports that the Japanese warm up with lots of passing drills. Short and long.

          • Breakers fan

            So what you’re saying is that if you were the head coach of a team you would ditch cone dribbling drills. Would you use *any* dribbling drills? if so, what would they look like? What I think has some value in that drill, as I just wrote, is that it forces a player to have control with both feet in very short intervals and ongoingly – that use of tight cuts does happen in games. The cone just *forces* you to cut AND still maintain control of the ball, and that’s a good thing. Like a gate in a slalom ski race. Again, one small piece. I agree that seeing a player do these skills in a scrimmage is superior “data” and practice. Drills are just practicing of skills – to me that can’t be bad.

            It would be very interesting to see a Japanese training session. A player like Kristie Mewis could bring drills she experienced in Japanese training sessions to her American team. And any other American who played there.

          • DNG

            No I wouldn’t ditch all cone drills completely I think they have their uses especially when practicing by yourself. I think team practices though would utilize time better by doing more team oriented training, passing exercises like rondos or 5v5 keep away in tight spaces. The exercises are fine for warm ups and training(maybe not the juggling for me).

          • Breakers fan

            I went to a USWNT training session once, one they opened to the public at least. I have no idea how much it varied if at all from one closed to the public. And last year I went to the Breakers open tryout and I have seen Boston College before games. In all 3 of these instances a lot of the time was spent in exactly what you mention in your post: 5 v. 5 in tight spaces. The tightness of the space varied to some extent – some very tight, some a little looser but that drill was by far the dominant one in all the instances I listed above. So they are in agreement with you.

          • #1Fan

            I agree with you 100 pct and that is the issue that MANY well respected coaches have with the current youth regime. There is a huge disconnect between the value of the ability to perform standard drills and the ability to execute in games. If you look at the tests of the the current regime, the heading and instep juggling stand out as being of questionable value. It seems that the quest for technique has led to things that are not at all in the context of the real game. There is a huge mentality factor in this that seems to get lost. its like saying if I do well on the SAT prep tests I will ace the actual exam. Thats is not even a great analogy becasue the SA prep is at least close to the real thing., these tests are not. I watched on of the players going to the U23 camp last week in 2 games. If i did not tell you who she was, I dont think you would have picked her out as being head and shoulders above the other 19 outfield players No goals , no assists as a CAM vs players of similar age. Im not saying that is the only measure, but If you told me that a 17 yr old was going to a U23 camp I would expect to see things that made me say WOW when playing on age. I bet she has high numbers on these tests though 🙂 In the US we love measurables and stats. We love to point to numbers as evidence of sporting ability. I think that you can get good metrics form soccer but it takes real effort to get them. I would love to see the USSF collect data on all their prospects at youth and full level for ALL the meaningful ECNL, NPL etc games they play and look at them. I think they would be shocked at how poorly some of these kids do in games when they are NOT surrounded by other good players playing against WEAKER teams in Intl friendlies or camp games.

          • Breakers fan

            Interesting, thanks. I agree with you that you would want and expect to see a 17 year old who has been invited to a U23 camp to stand out in a U17 game. Not that she would be utterly flawless always but you’d think that if a person who didn’t know which player(s) were invited to a U23 camp that the player invited would be his 1st of 2nd choice. You’re saying that probably wasn’t the case here. I think one has to consider “why” are they occasionally inviting much younger players up? Jumping age groups with a few individuals? Not many. So far it’s been Pugh – that has gone well, but I think I would also have been ok with her staying with her age group for another year or two. Same with Sanchez. Now we see Pinto. She had stood out to me seeing her a few years ago, but…..does she really jump over all the college defenders that she did jump over? Probably not in a literal sense, not every one.

            One way to look at it would be to say that to some degree it could be an intentionally symbolic move. That in doing this they are saying to this player, implicitly “We really like you and we’re going to show you how much by doing this.” The intent may be to really motivate that player to keep working hard *after* the camp, and to instill some more confidence into her. It may provide a boost to that player as she goes forward. She may train harder than she would have otherwise. So if that’s the reasoning I can see the sense in it.

            Beyond that I too am not a stat-head as much as some people are. The whole field of soccer stats isn’t something I’ve studied in depth, however. Do you know if it’s the case that the USSF rewards players too much for great test results as opposed to their game performance?

            I do agree with you that a player’s performance in games is the most important thing to look at, that seems obvious, but does it guide their decisions above all? And I think that there are players who may not do as well as others with these drill numbers but you’d far and away choose them before some who do post great drill scores for your team come game time. I also agree with you that the best measure of a player’s ability is to see her in games against very good competition as opposed to against weak competition .

          • #1Fan

            The flip side of the argument is what it does to the Other players. not only the ones say on the U17s , but what about the 18s and 20s? I am all for outstanding performance being rewarded, but I feel the USSF are not really defining waht that is. if I look at the world cup, the u17s were outplayed by Ghana and Japan and failed to establish any cohesion or possession. Given that is the highest level played to date for most of that team, why would I reward its members with a carrot? If your best players did not perform then I would prefer the message to be, we need more, not bravo come to a camp with Pros. It seems that some of these kids at a very young age, before they have proved anything, are considered as “cant miss” I think that is very dangerous and not a good way to manage the at all. You demotivate a huge cross section of players by doing this becasue there is no clear reason as to why or what player X needs to do to get ahead.

          • Breakers fan

            Points well-stated, and well-taken on this end. I think you’re right, and it’s not like Pinto would have thrown in the towel, or Sanchez if at 17 they weren’t invited to a U23 camp. They wouldn’t have even blinked. They were probably stunned to get the invite. As to how the other players take it……that’s a good question. You may have inside knowledge of this. Seems like it could go a few ways and that probably each player will react to it differently. Her best friends and those who are by nature not super-competitive or the jealous types may simply be happy for her, even if they don’t fully feel she is clearly better than most on the team. I’m speculating here so don’t take this as “The way it is” necessarily. I could be off-base. But then as you say it could serve to make others on the team less motivated…..but, thinking about it, couldn’t it also serve to motivate them more, as in “Hey, _I_ want that. I’m gonna work even harder now.” Conversely what I said about it motivating the player called in more, hopefully, going forward, what if she took it as “I’m all set now, got it made in the shade” and she ends up working less than she did before? All this leads me to think it’s up to the individual to decide how to interpret and respond to things that happen, like this.

            All that said, though, in the end I agree with you that after the U 17 WC poor showing do not give a 17 year old a U23 call-up. It’s just not necessary and I think you’re right that in a way it rewards a poor overall performance and if you’re part of that team, even if you played well in that tournament, your big reward will wait.

          • #1Fan

            Some kids are extra motivated by “snubs” . Some go the other way. Thing is, when the $$ is not really there as an incentive , its prudent to look at other career choices . I believe that the USSF lose some kids with big potential pretty early in the process becasue they dont get any reward for performances. And kids who are not playing well dont seem to suffer much. up until now, they have been able to withstand not getting all the great players involved, but going forward they will have to do better in the man management side of this or they will lose out to better run and managed entities. There is a lot of dissatisfaction out there with how this whole thing is run.

          • Breakers fan

            Right….about money, or the lack thereof, in soccer for women and therefore other career choices need to be considered if things aren’t going as one would hope. Things a parent and a youngster definitely have to think about and work on. The toughest position may be a kid who is on the edge, the border of breaking through, but so far it hasn’t happened, but …she seems (or “is) as good as those who are getting chosen for YNT teams. Close enough where it could end up being financially viable for a while. I hate hearing about “losing kids with big potential pretty early in the process”. That should be tried to be avoided. Seems like there isn’t enough fluidity, that once you’re in the club you tend to stay there and vice versa with those who aren’t in it at a pretty young age. It would be interesting to me to chart these things. How much movement in and out of YNT’s is there over time?

            I think at bottom there *has to be* in a kid that internal passionate love of the sport. That the rewards are sought after and are great but even if they don’t come as one is hopingl the kid simply still LOVES soccer, and is going to keep playing because she can’t do otherwise. Not sure how rare that is. If that love of playing is there in spades then it goes a long way towards stemming disappointment. You can’t create it from outside for the kid. Sometimes it takes time to be there but if it is there then that kid will play as long as she can and the outside world to some extent is an afterthought.

            But your point about improving the scouting nationally is well-taken. Players who are playing great need to be given a chance to move up. The powers that be can’t be afraid to bring new players in. Sounds like there is definitely room for improvement in this area in the USSF.

          • Breakers fan

            One drill I don’t find much if any value in is in-step juggling. Training time could be used much more profitably.

          • DNG

            I’m reaching here but they could be looking for pattern and information/correlation with players that excel on match day. Okay I don’t know if I believe that they would track this information for no reason but I’m struggling to understand why head juggles are a drill/test at all.

          • Breakers fan

            See my reply below – that drill exercises the muscles you use in heading the ball. When else would you exercise them? You may hit zero headers for 3 days in scrimmages, while in doing head juggling drills you would exercise those muscles over and over in a short period of time, and you would also develop better your head/eye coordination with the ball, although at a very close range. I see this as having some value therefore. But I don’t really with in-step juggling – I think that’s way overrated.

          • #1Fan

            i think they may be doing as you say, but the mentality is a big part of match day. In my opinion the USSF over value drills.

          • Steglitz49

            Chalups is a redhead. Each USWNT should have a redhead like they have some honorific hispanic etc.

          • Steglitz49

            Indeed.

  • Is Pugh injured or something? Why the hell would she be off this list or does Jill think she should get a break after going from the senior Olympic squad to the U23 WWC side? And also I was really impressed with Andi Sullivan…I thought she impressed EVERYONE? Is she a lock that’s why she’s not in???

    • guest

      someone posted a link below that pugh has some kind of lingering knee injury which kept her off the list.

    • g2

      from us soccer USWNT roster announcement
      “Forward Mallory Pugh (knee) and defender Meghan Klingenberg (back) were not available for this camp due to lingering injuries. Both are expected to be available for selection for the SheBelieves Cup.”

    • HOFCToDi

      Stanford, U.S. midfielder Andi Sullivan suffers torn ACL
      21 Nov 2016

      equalizersoccer.com/2016/11/21/stanford-uswnt-midfielder-andi-sullivan-suffers-torn-acl/

    • mockmook

      Sullivan is injured — had to have surgery.

  • kernel_thai

    The two interesting ones r Sanchez and Payne. The only reason to bring Sanchez in here is to see if Ellis wants to bring her over to the NT camp. Payne on the other hand just announced she was playing for Nigeria so um… http://soccerblitz.net/2016/12/29/us-female-soccer-player-dumps-us-to-play-for-super-falcons/

    • Steglitz49

      Wise lady. Hard to get into the USWNT.
      The spirit of Jack Charlton rules OK.

    • #1Fan

      You dont think Ivory or Pinto is interesting?

      • Gary Diver

        Which GK do you like better: Laurel Ivory or Casey Murphy?

        • Steglitz49

          Is here a GK named Merchant too by any chance?

        • #1Fan

          Big age gap. Murphy has prototypical size. made some errors in the WC i did not expect.I like them both

          • Bruce

            Murphy looked fundamentally unsound at the WC. Is that the best the US has?

          • Steglitz49

            Allegedly, Casey is 6’0″ while Laurel is 5’9″. 5’9″ is the minimum a female goalie can be in the modern game. I would take my risk with the 6 ft one and coach her intensively and if she does not make the grade pick another 6’+ and carry on.

          • Gary Diver

            Doesn’t 5’9″ with great reflects and speed beat 6’0″ with good reflects and speed?

          • #1Fan

            It may as a shot stopper but that is only one phase of GKeeping.

            1. distribution – feet and hands
            2. shot stopping
            3. communication
            4. command of area
            5. handling crosses
            6. positioning/ footwork

            All big factors. A big reflex save can often be a result of poor positioning/ footwork.

          • Gary Diver

            Thanks, good points.

          • Steglitz49

            Gordon Banks was 6’1″ and neither 6’4″ nor 6’5″ like many a lady basketball player — but he was 6’1″ and not 5’9″.

            OG-16 was the first major intercontinental tournament in which tall goalies made a mark. I suspect that in WC-19 we will see more of them. It stands to reason.

            Your span equals your height. The goal is the same size for the ladies as for the men. There is no reason to hamstring yourself by needless want of inches.

            By 2023 I doubt we will see a single goalie shorter than 5’11”, maybe an odd one at 5’10”.

            (BTW #1Fan blocks me so no point me commenting on his entries.)

          • #1Fan

            i saw her a few years ago in HS and she was excellent. Has the tools just needs to work harder.

          • Bruce

            The best U23 GK I’ve seen this year is Lauren Clem. Very sound and an athlete. Lead the NCAA in both GAA and Save percentage. Even 6’0″ to keep Steg happy.

            The eye test puts her far ahead of Murphy IMHO.

          • Steglitz49

            I endorse 6′ and I accept your scouting. Unfortunately, I am not the Chairman of Lyon, the team most in need of a top notch goalie. She could try Avaldnes where both Ms Franch and Ms Schiffel has done time.

      • kernel_thai

        As neither was pushed to the U20 team it would seem neither was of interest to French either. I certainly wouldn’t have brought in any of the 17s but at least with Sanchez there is a possibility she gets a look at the NT camp as well. Cant think of a single reason to have the other two there except it gives the impression development is working.

        • #1Fan

          No reason to send Ivory to back up Murphy and Pinto who knows. I agree with your last point.

          • kernel_thai

            This is all disinformation. By throwing a few young players on the U23 camp roster it makes it look like like the Technical Director is actually developing players. Oh look we have two 17 and one 16 yo playing up with the U23s! No one who isn’t already over 20 should be in the U23 camp. If Ellis thinks they rate a look in the NT camp put them there. Otherwise bring them into the 20s camp and send them to La Manga. This is about the TDs office continuing to ignore what they learn about players against actual youth WC talent as opposed to how they perform in camps against US talent.

          • Steglitz49

            I may be wrong but neither Alex Morgan nor Morgan Brian nor Syd Leroux nor Tobin Heath ever played for the U23 NT.

            It seems that once 18 or so, the top-notch lasses go quickly to the senior team. They do their duty for the U20 but they are not wasted in the U23.

            Playing U23 seems like playing in the Aussie W-League in your winter break — a sign of not making the grade: the sign of Cain if you prefer.

          • I agree – U23 basically seems like a way to hang around but not make the full NT.

  • TsovLoj

    Franch doesn’t even start for Portland. Why are they so determined to make her Hope’s successor?

    • anon

      she’s one of those players Ellis seems to have a fixation with. like Hinkle.

      • #1Fan

        Because she probably scores very high in GK drills.

        • Bruce

          beep!

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  • Guest

    Rapinoe hasn’t even been dressing for games. Krieger has completely fallen out of favor. Harris is not as good at Naeher. None are getting any younger. I feel the same way about McDonald… she is just a practice player for them at this point. Edmonds didn’t dress last time she was called in and Hinkle has been deallocated. Why not give a shot to some new players? I take it she will be observing some of the U23s at the same time?

    • sara

      all of the aforementioned aside from McDonald, Edmonds and Hinkle are under contract and will continue to get call ups until they are terminated. The latter three I don’t really understand, but it’s Ellis.

      • Steglitz49

        How is this helping the USWNT prepare for WC-19?

        • Guest

          it’s not but her hands are still tied. or more likely she still has no clue what she is doing.

    • Bruce

      Krieger will (and should) continue to play until a better RB comes along. Haven’t seen one yet.

      • guestt

        Crystal Dunn. Kealia Ohai. Kelley Ohara.

        • guest

          Crystal Dunn is still needed to score. I could see Ohai as a wingback if she is willing to take an un-glamorous position

          • guest

            Ohai is cute enough that she will still get attention, like the National Mango Board’s poster defender girl, JJ.

          • Guest

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        • Bruce

          Only Kelly O is a realistic competitor at that position. Both add to the attack, but Krieger is a a better defender, hands-down.

      • mockmook

        The next “great” RB (if she is put there) could be Schuyler DeBree (Duke)

        Gabby Seiler (FLA) is another who plays everywhere, but could be a “great” RB

  • Gary Diver

    Ashely Sanchez

    Out of curiosity, how many school classes has Ashley Sanchez missed this year between U17, U20, and now U23? (Has any USWNT player ever missed more high school classes in one year?) Missing that many classes has to affect one’s education. (I know I’m not smart enough to successfully pull it off.)

    • #1Fan

      Pull off what? She is a pro soccer player in the making. No one should be missing that amount of schooling at her age. I estimate that she missed 110 days.

      • Gary Diver

        It is funny that last year when Mallory Pugh made the USWNT roster there was some interest in her “distance learning” by computer from her hotel room. She was making jokes about how the other USWNT players could not help her with her calculus. It was sort of presented as a funny human interest story. Actually, it isn’t funny and unfortunately too many youth players are missing too many school classes. The other question is who is making the decisions here. Over the past two years, Sanchez must have missed between 100 and 200 school days. She is still a minor – did her parents sign off on this situation?

        • Steglitz49

          When the German WNT has had young players in its squad, the DFB has paid for tutors to travel with them to help them keep up with their studies.

          The DFB and other European FAs are strong on young female players working on developing a second career because most of their players do not come up a college route as in the US and Canada.

        • #1Fan

          i reckon 110 THIS year alone. Most parents sign off on it . When the u17WC became a possibility I secretly hoped my kid was NOT selected.

    • CED

      Pugh missed most of the spring of her senior year. The schools just send them work. Also, there is the possibility of doing online college classes that give cross credit for HS.

  • Gary Diver

    U17 and U20

    What do the U17 and U20 players do for the next year? Everything seems to be centred around the WCs.

    • Steglitz49

      In Europe there is a U19 Euro every two years. There must be a U19 something for the US, Canada and Mexico too, this typist assumes.

      • MrTemecula

        Yeah. It’s called college ball. 🙂 Kidding.

        • Steglitz49

          The US controls Grid.iron, Basket and Baseball, and with Canada Icehockey. They do not care about handball but it must be galling that soccer belongs to the World, even WoSo.

          • MrTemecula

            How could it be galling to Americans when WoSo is at 1%
            of popularity?

            http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Daily/Issues/2015/01/28/Research-and-Ratings/Harris-Poll.aspx

            Americans have more prespective than given credited for. Baseball, a truely American sport, is often played better in other countries as shown by the recent victories by Japan and Dominican Republic in the Baseball World Championship. Americans did not lose their cool and demand a panel and thorough resctructuring of the sport. Sport is just sport. That is why hooliganism is a much lower problem in the States.

          • Steglitz49

            Hooliganism is not a problem associated with WoSo though I dare say it could spread there too.

            Everyone knows that in baseball it is the World Series that counts.

            WoSo is not terribly well attended in Europe either and the media gives it even less space than in the US.

            The European are fortunate that competitions like the senior Euros and the U19 Euros are hard fought and even competitions, adding spice to the regular diet of the Champions League and domestic cup finals as well as the leagues.

    • #1Fan

      Cycle starts again. New kids into the U17s and U20s roster continues to evlove fo the next WC. They wont select current U16s or U18s who will not be WC eligible so will be interesting. I think there are kids on the U16 team who should have gone to the WC. Some are significantly better than those selected.

      • Steglitz49

        Seeing how badly the U17 acquitted themselves, not even getting out of their group, one would hope that there are some talent left behind who might now get a bite at the cherry.

        As for the U20s, they did not do badly at all in their WC. Granted, they could have done better but life is like that sometimes. Ask the USWNT.

        • Gary Diver

          I agree that U20 did not do/play poorly at WC. But unfortunately in the sports world, if you don’t win it all nobody wants to know/remember you. (The exception seems to be the Canadian WoSo team. Winning OG bronze was fine for the Canadian public – their girls are heroes.)

          I am not an expert but it seems at the U20 level the referees allow rough play and several of our players were “man-handled” at WC16. I suspect Pugh is still recovering from the extensive physical contact she endured at WC16.

          • #1Fan

            well you are in the minority. Jill Ellis thinks they played poorly.

          • Gary Diver

            She actually said that? If so, that is interesting since we are still waiting for her to illuminate us on her coaching decisions during OG16.

          • Steglitz49

            Touché!

          • #1Fan

            she said that in Chicago last month.

          • Steglitz49

            The SwedishWNT were heroines to their people too.

            The US PR-machine made hay out of the WC-11 final. The only bit in the storyline they could not change was that the Japanese walked off with the silverware. Alex Morgan got more out of losing than Miyama or Kumagai from winning.

            How many remember 8-1 in 1981 today?

  • Gary Diver

    U23

    Does U23 have any matches scheduled?

    I am curious to see how 17-year old Ashley Sanchez plays against 22- and 23-year old girls. Also interested to see the progress of Maddie Bauer, Erica Skroski, Morgan Andrews, Tierna Davidson, and Makenzy Doniak.

    • Steglitz49

      Traditionally the US U23 plays a tournament in Norway/Sweden in June with a fourth team, though not always a Nordic one.

  • Gary Diver

    Savannah Jordan

    I am sorry if I missed the news item, but was Savannah Jordan kidnapped by aliens?

    • guest

      that or she’s just not that good. did she score once in the college cup? we’re still waiting for the next 2011-12 era morgan.

      • Guester

        We already have her. Christen Press.

        • guest

          lol. Sup, NYRick?

          • Steglitz49

            It could be Reality and newsouth too.

            The real risk is that a certain poster will react.

          • Dr. Robert

            Let him react.

            From an EU perspective I would say Press is much better than most of the people here think she is.

            Yes, she didn’t score with that very important penalty. However, a huge number of the greatest players ever share that with her

            If you don’t need or want her – send her over to Europe

            And Steg, it is kind of embarrassing how you try to please HOFCToDi by bashing Press and prasing Morgan. He is too smart to not uncover your cheap tries

          • Steglitz49

            Lyon praised Alex by allegedly paying her 25,000€ a month to play for them. There is true, very and real praise.

          • Dr Robert

            Salaries can be paid for a lot of values. There is for example an advertising and image value and there’s a sporting values. Both can be paid with money. What is what regarding Morgan.

            By the way – I never said that Press is better than Morgan. What I am saying is that you try to please HOFCToDi in a very embarrassing manner

          • DNG

            I think Press is a more well rounded player than Morgan. They are both very effective players though.

          • sara

            I find Press very frustrating at times, but I wouldn’t mind seeing her play full games against solid international teams. I think Morgan and Lloyd are also very effective in front of the net, although I know everyone here hates Lloyd (she should have been converted to a forward years ago IMO). Williams is still a question mark for me… she does quite well with assists, but I think her finishing leaves something to be desired (she’s actually someone I’d like to see spend some time in Europe). I’d love to see a new dynamic talent emerge in that position, though.

          • DNG

            Lloyd is only effective when she’s scoring goals. I think every player is frustrating at times none are close to perfect.

          • guest

            exactly – it’s the thing she does best. she is a very aggressive player in front of the net. she can head the ball well and has a very powerful shot. she’s not the best playmaker or defender (although she has a good assist record). which is why I think she should have been converted to a forward awhile ago. I think her best role was/is a supersub forward.

          • DNG

            If a player is going to be purely a poacher they had best be scoring against all competition at a high rate. That wasn’t Lloyd last year and I don’t think it will be her in 3 years. She scores a lot against bad teams as the point of the spear on a very good team. She scored as many goals against top ten opponents last year as Heath did. 1

          • HOFCToDi

            Christen Press sucks.

            Christen Press
            Summer Olympic Games
            Goals – 0
            Assists – 0

            Christen Press
            SheBelieves Cup
            Goals – 0
            Assists – 0

            Christen Press
            CONCACAF Women’s Olympic Qualifying
            Knockout Stage
            Goals – 0
            Assists – 0

            Christen Press
            FIFA Women’s World Cup
            Goals – 1
            Assists – 0

          • HOFCToDi

            Christen Press sucks.

            Summer Olympic Games
            Games Started
            Leroux (DOB 07 May 1990) – 0
            Press (DOB 29 Dec 1988) – 1

            Summer Olympic Games
            Minutes Played
            Leroux (DOB 07 May 1990) – 77
            Press (DOB 29 Dec 1988) – 123

            Summer Olympic Games
            Goals Scored
            Leroux (DOB 07 May 1990) – 1
            Press (DOB 29 Dec 1988) – 0

            Christen Press is the quintessential international fraud.

            4 years (2013, 2014, 2015, 2016)
            78 caps
            2 head coaches

            Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

            garbage time
            prima donna
            selfish shot hog
            tomato cans

          • HOFCToDi

            Christen Press sucks.

            USWNT Career
            FIFA Top 10 Ranked Opponents
            USWNT Goals Scored
            Morgan (DOB 02 Jul 1989) – 34
            Leroux (DOB 07 May 1990) – 8
            Press (DOB 29 Dec 1988) – 3

            Christen Press is the quintessential international fraud.

            4 years (2013, 2014, 2015, 2016)
            78 caps
            2 head coaches

            Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

            garbage time
            prima donna
            selfish shot hog
            tomato cans

          • kernel_thai

            If Ellis sticks to the 3-4-3 she used against Romania and plug Lloyd into Brian’s spot, u’ll have four attackers in the box, two wings who like to take on and just Brian in the midfield in front of three defenders.

          • DNG

            She tried something like that in the first Romania match. It didn’t work. Sullivan couldn’t cover all that space when the ball came back the other way. The second match Brian and Sullivan played next to each other.

          • mockmook

            “Lloyd is only effective when she’s scoring goals.”

            She does that a lot.

          • DNG

            Not against quality team in my opinion. Pretty much just NED and FRA last year.

          • HOFCToDi

            You are a clueless moron.

            Christen Press
            FIFA Women’s World Cups
            Assists – 0

            Christen Press
            Summer Olympic Games
            Assists – 0

            Christen Press
            CONCACAF Women’s Championships
            Assists – 1 (HAI – FIFA Rank #60)

            Christen Press
            CONCACAF Women’s Olympic Qualifying Championships
            Assists – 1 (PUR – FIFA Rank #108)

            Christen Press
            SheBelieves Cups
            Assists – 0

            Christen Press
            FIFA Top 10 Ranked Opponents
            Assists – 1

            Christen Press is the quintessential international fraud.

            4 years (2013, 2014, 2015, 2016)
            78 caps
            2 head coaches

            Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

            garbage time
            prima donna
            selfish shot hog
            tomato cans

          • HOFCToDi

            You are a clueless moron.

            Christen Press
            FIFA Women’s World Cups
            Goals – 1

            Christen Press
            Summer Olympic Games
            Goals – 0

            Christen Press
            CONCACAF Women’s Championships
            Goals – 2

            Christen Press
            CONCACAF Women’s Olympic Qualifying Championships
            Goals – 2

            Christen Press
            SheBelieves Cups
            Goals – 0

            Christen Press
            FIFA Top 10 Ranked Opponents
            Goals – 3

            Christen Press is the quintessential international fraud.

            4 years (2013, 2014, 2015, 2016)
            78 caps
            2 head coaches

            Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

            garbage time
            prima donna
            selfish shot hog
            tomato cans

          • Steglitz49

            The comments I have seen for the past 24h or so from HOFCToDi have been to the point, informative and sometimes incisive. There is therefore no need to provoke him. Don’t disturb the bear that sleeps.

            As for Alex Morgan, by Midsummer we can assess if she has been worth her high price tag.

        • guest

          I’m assuming she will get more time at forward at this Shiba Leaves cup than the last one, unless Ellis really has made Lloyd the feature forward. Dunn, Pugh and Ohai are clearly wingers, so the other options at this point are Morgan and Lloyd. IMO that is put up or shut up time for Press and her fans. If she sucks I never want to hear whining from the Pressgang again (and Ellis really needs to start looking at new forward options), but if she does as well as she did in the last few matches of 2016 then I will be happy to see her as the new starter.

  • Gary Diver

    Andi Sullivan

    Andi Sullivan’s injury was very unfortunate for her and for USWNT fans. Is it realistic for her to be fully recovered by September? And what is the track record of a 21-year old with an ACL tear? Is Sullivan’s future severely compromised by this injury?

    • HOFCToDi

      Ali Krieger recovered from a torn ACL/MCL suffered during the 2012 CONCACAF Women’s Olympic Qualifying Championship.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1Hw4D-XuHo

    • Steglitz49

      I suspect it depends on the type of tear, the skill of the surgeon and the quality of the rehab. A number of top players have returned from ACL-tears but I suspect an awfully lot more players never recovered.

  • Gary Diver

    Hermann Trophy Winner Announced Tomorrow

    I guess the world ends tomorrow evening if Kadeisha Buchanan does not win the Hermann Trophy.

    • Steglitz49

      Is this why we get no formal statement from Lyon? So as not to query her pitch and chances?

    • mockmook

      I hear that it is going to be Morgan Brian 😉

  • NYRick

    1. If Kling isn’t hurt (anyone know something on this?), then she is basically starting to get her Engen papers.

    2. Is Pugh hurt? Strange that she wouldn’t be in camp. Something is up there as well.

    3. Pinoe. Please go away. I am asking nicely. Your predictable pregame nonsense will be an unnecessary distraction and you aren’t as good as you think you are.

    4. Looking at our defenders, really not a shining star in there. Just a bunch of aging vets and so-so younger talent. How long are they going to ride an obvious on the decline Brunn to anchor this unit? And I don’t think JJ is what we thought she was either.

    • guest

      from us soccer roster announcement
      “Forward Mallory Pugh (knee) and defender Meghan Klingenberg (back) were not available for this camp due to lingering injuries. Both are expected to be available for selection for the SheBelieves Cup.”

      • NYRick

        Thanks for the update.

      • Guest

        I think the back injury is being exaggerated. I think Klingenberg is the scapegoat for both the NT in the olympics and the Thorns. She is a sweet girl… I feel a bit bad.

    • guest

      if USSoccer doesn’t have an issue with her protesting such that it is against their employee code of conduct, Pinoe can protest without punishment. I don’t think she will be an asset in this cycle so I’m fine with her not getting called up anymore for that reason alone.

      • NYRick

        Regarding the protest, if you are a mediocre QB on a 2-14 club team that just got it’s head coach and GM fired, then so be it. But just check the recent NFL ratings and backlash for smartness on the PC for the team allowing that.

        But…if you PLAY for a national team, any national team (even the isle of Malta) and disrespect your country’s flag and anthem (for whatever reason you see fit, right or wrong), then you have absolutely no business playing on said national team. End of story. What the USSF is doing with Pinoe is embarrassing and will be a black eye for them in retrospect.

        • Guest

          Whether her kneeling is disrespect is a matter of opinion. Mine happens to be different from yours

          • rkmid71

            I suspect your opinion is a small minority. What is your threshold for disrespect?

          • guest

            I don’t think I’m in a “small” minority that think you don’t need to be superficially patriotic just for the sake of an archaic ritual. There are plenty of people, vets included, who believe that part of the beauty and really, purpose of living in the USA is being able to protest actions of the state without fear of persecution.

          • mockmook

            “protest actions of the state without fear of persecution”

            AND, EVERYONE CAN DO THAT

            But, when you go to work, you aren’t being paid to protest.

            PROTEST ON YOU OWN TIME
            PROTEST ON YOUR OWN DIME

          • rkmid71

            I really hope you’re in a small minority for thinking it’s an archaic ritual. I believe what Reagan said

            “Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn’t pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children’s children what it was once like in the United States where people were free:”

          • guest

            rapinoe’s anthem protest is more than a matter of opinion. it is a matter of her employer and private property rights. both the ussf and the uswnt have publicly said they expect all players to stand during the anthem. this isn’t a free speech issue on public property. free speech rights aren’t unlimited.

          • guest

            well if her private employer takes that stand and Rapinoe continues to kneel, than they can obviously act according to their codes of employee conduct. They clearly haven’t punished her as of yet so their stand isn’t clear to me. Personally, I’d rather see her released for being useless in the olympics and still not fit, than kneeling in front of the flag.

          • guest

            that is true. she hasn’t yet been suspended for it. maybe she won’t. though it is possible she may have received a verbal and/or written warning. the ussf and the uswnt are probably just hoping the protest is not going to continue indefinitely. rapinoe has mentioned previously that it likely won’t. we will just have to see how it plays out this year.

          • guest

            the ussf player conduct code requires all players to be respectful during the playing of the anthem. it doesn’t even have to go to the level of disrespect. if you are doing something different than every other single player at the game there is a good chance that it is not respectful. would you say it would be respectful for rapinoe to kneel during the playing of the other team’s national anthem?

          • guest

            I guess the point is whether you think kneeling during the anthem (which, if you listen to the lyrics, is kind of controversial in itself) is disrespectful. I don’t think it is, because the great thing about living in the USA is the ability to protest without fear of persecution. Whether USSoccer has this clearly written out is unknown to me.

      • guest

        ussf and the uswnt have both said they have an issue with rapinoe’s anthem protests and it is a violation of player conduct code.. they have’t punished her to the point of suspension yet but hopefully that is coming.

    • DNG

      3. I disagree a little on Pinoe. At her best and fully fit she’s one of the best wide forwards in the world. I doubt she will get anywhere near that form now though after injury and considering age. I don’t blame her for trying though.

      4. JJ, Sonnett and Dahlkemper(broken toe) are the younger CBs. Hinkle and Short(kind of young) are the LBs. KO and AK are the RBs and I was a little disappointed not to see Gilliland called up. And I don’t think JJ was ever what people thought she was. She scored a bunch of goals in a year where teams didn’t cover the near post runs on set pieces. Always looked like an average defender to me and is awful at distributing from the back

      • Bruce

        CRS fan here who doesn’t think Gilliland deserves a call.

        • mockmook

          Depends. If she is utilized to take advantage of her speed and athleticism, then she would be an asset to the team.

      • rkmid71

        3. Pinoe needs to stop using fitness, kneeling, CBA or anything else as an excuse for not getting selected for rosters. At this point, I think its as simple as she’s past her prime (3rd ACL injury accelerated it), style of play is evolving with new players, other players are better at this stage, JE needs to project to 2019, etc. I don’t blame her for trying. But I do blame her for saying she’s was 100% for OG — and knowing JE would probably give her the benefit of the doubt given her past service. She gambled her credibility and lost. It’s time to for the team to move on which I think s what JE is gradually doing.I wish we had a CBA that made that faster, more efficient.

        4. I’m sure JE is bummed about the Sullivan injury as she probably assumed that Sullivan went a long way to ward solving her midfield problem. Not that’s up in the air again. Heath and Brian are proven. and in their prime. We need to find a couple more that complement those two the best. Solve the midfield and the rest becomes more manageable. There are several in that last list of midfielders that are not midfielders. Why?

        • DNG

          “At this point, I think its as simple as she’s past her prime”

          This is pretty much what I was implying regarding Pinoe. Let her try but she’s probably done. Agree on identifying midfielders. Regarding the CMs, I don’t think Brian, Long and Sullivan are enough. Ellis needs to find another 2-3 quality CMs that are in contention for a spot 2 years from now. Heath and Rapinoe will probably be harder to replace because the US produces more flanks like Heather O’Reilly than the other two. The team can make adjustments to deal with those losses and be fine though.

          • rkmid71

            I think we need to develop better options than Long for 2019. JE seems to be testing her out at CB to give her a chance — which is doomed to fail IMO. She got her chance at OG and should appreciate that — she worked hard for it, but it was a special situation..

            Assuming they are all fully fit, for 2019 I was thinking Heath, Brian, Sullivan plus one more as starters. Someone quick, agile, skilled, team player that keeps their head up and can deliver a timely pass, good 1v1 tackler, ball winner, smart, good in tight space. If you can’t find someone with everything, I would prioritize someone more athletic (quicker, more agile, some size, good with both feet), than those other 3.

            I would give Pugh a lot of chances in CAM. I don’t see Long, Horan, Smith, Rapinoe, Lloyd, Lavelle being the best complement to the other 3. Mewis is interesting because of size and value on set pieces — but I don’t see her being ideal complement either as starter, more as off the bench option. I don’t know enough about Gibbons or Edmonds, but I like that she’s looking at new players.And please don’t try to move Press or other forwards to midfield or defenders like Kling, Ohara, Krieger, etc. I might try Krieger at CB.

          • kernel_thai

            Ellis won a WC thru defense and has spent every day since tearing that defense down to add numbers to the attack. Im not convinced Long defended well enough to play DM let alone CB so this just another case of Ellis giving defense futbol the finger. It would be different if she actually had a CB who can play make for her. Instead, more square pegs.

          • DNG

            The backline had issues against Australia in the WC before going on their long run of not conceding. I don’t think they were so great on the first Japan goal either. The back line got a lot of credit at the WC for good team defending.

          • mockmook

            And, I’m pretty sure we were commenting at the time about how that team was already nothing but Forwards all over the field.

          • DNG

            True. My comment was just meant to convey the point that I don’t really think Ellis is tearing down the defense like she doesn’t think it matters. I think she’s just experimenting at the moment. The OBs pushed up pretty far in the WC games as well.

          • DNG

            Long is what she is solid in possession on the ball but not very fast nor a great defender. She’s also a good passer from the pivot but I do agree that the team should be looking for more options long term. She’s not a CB. I don’t think we should try and project the 2019 starting lineup yet but I wouldn’t be surprised at all to see those three start along with Pugh.

            I’m not really sure how I feel about Pugh as a CAM and I of course see Lindsey as a forward/striker. I’d like to fit Press in there if she’s still able too. I wouldn’t have Lloyd on the squad in 2019 but that’s me.

          • rkmid71

            I’m not sure either about Pugh in CAM, but you don’t know unless you give her time there. What I like most about her in that spot is 1. she plays quickly; 2. she’s got an explosive first step and can turn and separate from defenders giving her more time to make good decisions and accurate passes; 3. she seems relatively unselfish and has right mentality for position.

            If I was her, I would keep working on her outside shot with both feet as I believe defenders will inevitably back off and give her more space to keep her in front of them..And start refining and experimenting with technical skills and tricky moves — stay close to and learn from Heath. With Lloyd, defenders simply stay on top of her, deny her space — the tech skills and quickness aren’t enough of a threat and she’s too far along in career to change now. She has to keep her head down to control it, her mentality is wrong for that position, and is too slow anyway. With her, you just want to deny outside shots which Lloyd is better at and will take with no restraint no matter the odds of scoring.

          • Bruce

            How about Pugh gets some time at CAM at the Club/University level before handing her the keys to the NT?

          • rkmid71

            Why? We were willing to hand the keys to an inexperienced senior citizen (for that role) and that experiment has failed miserably.

      • kernel_thai

        JJ offense has nothing to do with coverage and everything to do with have consistent service. No coincidence that set piece goals have completely left the building now that they pick a CK FK specialist out of hat before each match. It’s about timing not coverage. I had hopes they’d give the job to Sullivan but sigh.

        • DNG

          I don’t agree at all. Set pieces are not normally converted at a high rate against teams that practice and cover them well. Even though I don’t think the service was great last year, near post runs can easily be shut down by guarding that space with a defender in the near post zone. I saw more teams do just that last year against the US on set pieces.

          • rkmid71

            Regardless of conversion rate, my understanding is that set pieces still account for roughly 30% of all goals. Nothing to sneeze at.

          • DNG

            I think penalties are included in those numbers.

          • Steglitz49

            Penalty is not usually considered a set piece. Corners and freekicks.

          • DNG

            If your right thanks for the correction. I still stand by my position of not building a team around a set piece specialist if you don’t have to and the US do not have to.

          • Steglitz49

            Obviously, you don’t want to box yourself into a corner when you don’t have to.

            You could argue that Aya Miyama’s amazing skill with freekicks and corners plus her uncanny reliability to score penalties was central to the Golden Generation of 2010-15. She was known for those already when playing for LA Sol and in many ways the WC-11 was “her” final.

          • kernel_thai

            So ur saying u saw a lot of attempts to score at the near post that failed because of coverage? I can’t think of one. First I saw a hugely high number of short corners which tell me they lost faith in set pieces. Second I saw a lot of open runs not rewarded by badly delivered balls. Thirdly even a player making a near post run will adjust based on how the coverage lines up and regardless if they r tasking people to shut Johnston down on the front side it should leaving other runs open.

          • DNG

            The short corners were most likely the result of the team making an effort to score through breaking down a defense possibly a directive of the coaching staff. Getting good shots away on set pieces is difficult and a low percentage play. Also, If I’m a player serving the box and I see a player in that near post zone I am less likely to serve the ball there. Look at the player just standing in the near post space on this corner. The Romania defender is standing right where JJ likes to make her runs.

            https://youtu.be/4BWKufOIeQs?t=1218

    • guest

      you are forgetting Allie Long, the new soon to be thirtysomething centerback who has never played on the backline in her life. Allie Long, who has already been torched by tomato cans

      • Steglitz49

        I suspect that Allie having got married will now focus her energies elsewhere.

    • MrTemecula

      Pugh has classes to take at UCLA. Besides, she is not getting paid by USSF and she is getting a full or half scholarship at UCLA.

      • rkmid71

        What you say makes sense. But then why would they say “forward Mallory Pugh (knee) is not available for this camp due to lingering injuries.” It doesn’t take two months for players that age to recoup from minor injuries. It might take two months to allow for downtime plus a few weeks to get full fitness back. But unlike those USWNT players getting paid, if she’s at school, studying, etc. she doesn’t have all day to work out. My rambling thoughts..

        • MrTemecula

          “Lingering knee injury” sounds something you say rather than admitting going to classes is a higher priority than soccer camp.

          • rkmid71

            Rather than lie, I would either state the truth or not say anything and let people speculate..Why is it a problem to say that she’s focused on college and classes spring semester (after participating in OG, U20 WC and skipping college in the fall)? I think most would say great for her.

          • MrTemecula

            Maybe it is USSF who would rather say an injury prevented her from attending camp rather than saying college has a higher priority than US soccer. Appearances seem to matter a great deal to USSF.

          • kernel_thai

            IMO they would be well served leaving her in school. All they r doing is experimenting now and if Pugh is coming off an injury give her the time to heal. No one believes that when Ellis finally settles on a system and a roster, if that is even possible, that Pugh won’t be a big part of it.

          • Steglitz49

            The terms being “economical with the truth” and “economical with the actuality” entered the English (political) language about 30 years ago.

          • rkmid71

            “My own luck has been curious all my literary life. I never could tell a lie that anyone would doubt, nor a truth that anybody would believe.”
            ~ Mark Twain.

          • Steglitz49

            The first quote comes from a trial where a British government official essentially was cornered into having to admit that he had lied to the court, in which case it would have been perjury. He got round the sticky situation by some fast footwork, saying that he admitted to having been economical with the truth, which was accepted with a sigh of relief.

            The second quote comes from a trial where a British Minister admitted during a trial that he had been “economical with the actualité” in answer to parliamentary questions about what he knew about arms export licences to Iraq, which led to the collapse of the trial. I think that has been used in a film or TV series where Michael Gambon plays a Minister.

          • #1Fan

            may just be to give her a rest without having to go into details as to why.

      • Gary Diver

        Are you sure Pugh is on camp (i.e., do you have any evidence)?

        Here is a Top Drawer article from August 2016 proclaiming the new college women’s soccer superpower at UCLA starting in 2017.

        http://www.topdrawersoccer.com/the91stminute/2016/08/the-ucla-women-are-12-months-away-from-breaking-college-soccer/

        • DNG

          Those are some bold claims before a minute of soccer has been played.

          • #1Fan

            Are you surprised? This is how US soccer works. Long on click bait, short on real information.

          • DNG

            I guess I shouldn’t be at this point. I bet they used their own player rankings in that article as well.

        • MrTemecula

          No. I am not sure if she is on campus and taking classes. But why bother accepting a scholarship and not take any classes? Gen ed courses are not hard, but missing two weeks still puts you behind…especially in a 10 week quarter system. I remember missing a week due to ill-advised youthful adventures and catching up was horrible.

          Plus, the Pugh’s said she was enrolling in winter. Moreover, she was hanging out with Flemming in the Rose Bowl at a Bruin football game so I am thinking she was looking forward to university life.

          That is all I got. Bunch of presumptions and assumptions.

        • guest

          there are plenty of allegedly loaded teams that haven’t won in awhile. the underdog story is very common in college sports. ucla has been supposedly loaded for a long time, across multiple sports. look at their gymnastics team – they have had the best of the best recruits and the highly lauded Miss Val but still don’t win NCAA team championships.

          • #1Fan

            single elimination needs luck. Ask Stanford this year.

          • Steglitz49

            “Giant-killing” is the time-honored term.

          • potofgold

            bridget sloan, that little thorn in UCLA’s side for four years. irish eyes are always smiling.

    • Gary Diver

      More or less agree with points 3 and 4. Cannot see Rapinoe on WC19 roster. One problem is a great Rapinoe is great, but an ordinary Rapinoe is so-so and so-so is not good enough for WC19.

      Sauerbrunn did not have a good 2016. And at her age that is not a good sign. I have a soft spot for Julie Johnston but I don’t think she is fast enough nor is her passing good enough, and she is prone to make bad judgment mistakes. She needs to improve in 2017 to stay on the USWNT roster.

      • #1Fan

        you just said ,…

        I don’t think she is fast enough nor is her passing good enough, and she is prone to make bad judgment mistakes

        how does that qualify a player to be on the team at all ?

        • Gary Diver

          I did say I have a soft spot for Julie Johnson, but I didn’t say that it qualified for a spot on the roster. Honestly, I agree with many here (and I assume that includes you) who believe JJ is not the player they previously thought she was. But once on the USWNT roster it is hard to be removed, so that is why I said that “she needs to improve in 2017 to stay on the USWNT roster”.

          Johnson doesn’t seem to have “natural abilities”, including a high soccer IQ. Too many times she comes up short. (And let’s not forget she dodged a silver bullet during the WC15 SF match against Germany that could have easily led her to be the tournament goat.) If she can’t improve, she definitely should be replaced with a better player.

          • #1Fan

            Ive never been a big fan. Another player who is inconsistent with what they say they want.

          • DNG

            She’s marketable though.

          • guest

            Yeah a lot of people have a soft spot for Julie Johnston because she is a very cute blonde with a nice personality. She and Ertz make a very cute babyfaced pro athlete couple

          • Gary Diver

            In the case of Julie Johnston, I agree with everything you’ve said. And another thing – I don’t understand why people were praising her great offensive talents. Greatly overrated.

    • kernel_thai

      The new system certainly doesn’t suit Johnston but u really won’t know which way the wind is blowing until SBC. If Ellis tries it there and it flops then who knows what comes next. Does Long become a CB in a 4back? Does Ellis get kidnapped by the militant wing of the USWNT and sanity return with a more defensive approach like the one that actually won the WC?

    • Ashley C

      Kling has looked quite slow from what I remember from this most recent NWSL season. It will be interesting to see what happens with her.

  • #1Fan

    Killion added

    • DNG

      I thought she was solid for Sky Blue last year and it’s definitely a position of need. Good add.

    • Glad to see it. I wonder what made her a late addition?

  • mskillens

    Excuse me for being a little out of the loop. Are the USWNT playing any matches this year? I don’t see anything on the US Soccer schedule for them.

    • DNG

      Not sure about friendlies but there are the SBC games in March. I’m sure there will be some friendlies though.

      • Gary Diver

        There has to be one or two Friendlies in February to get ready for SBC. If Ellis loses 2 or 3 of the SBC matches, she is in trouble. Remember what happened to Tom Sermanni after the 2014 Algarve Cup embarrassment? Also, USWNT probably has not lost 2 matches within 10 days in the past 15 years so Ellis better get her troops ready.

        • guest

          We can only hope.

        • Bakkar

          3-7-2014 Sweden – USA 1:0
          3-10-2014 Denmark – USA 5:3

          • Gary Diver

            Weren’t these Tom Sermanni’s fatal two matches? Can soccer lightning strike twice within three years?