North Carolina FC announces intent for NWSL team

The Equalizer Staff December 6, 2016 321

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North Carolina looks like a serious candidate for a new NWSL team, if Tuesday’s hubbub is any indication.

The club formerly known as the Carolina Railhawks announced on Tuesday a rebrand to North Carolina FC, as well as intentions to secure expansion bids into MLS and the NWSL and to build a 20,000-seat stadium in the Raleigh, North Carolina, area.

“This is a brand restatement,” North Carolina FC Owner Steve Malik said. “We aspire to be at the top level of both men’s and women’s professional soccer, so we are pursuing MLS and NWSL bids as well as a new stadium. We made a conscious decision to brand ourselves as North Carolina’s professional club. A united soccer community will be one of the keys to reaching these goals.”

The NWSL is not expected to expand in 2017 but will almost certainly do so in 2018. Commissioner Jeff Plush has previously stated that he would like to see the 10-team league expand in pairs. Los Angeles FC, a 2018 MLS expansion franchise, is among the potential expansion candidates as the league looks to get into California, but others – including MLS’ Real Salt Lake – have also stated serious intent. Plush is in New York for the U.S. Soccer board meetings and could not immediately comment.

Malik stated that he hopes to be awarded an NWSL franchise in the next six months.

“We have seen tremendous success in North Carolina with women’s soccer,” Malik said. “The numerous accomplishments of local college programs, paired with the continued success of the USWNT, have driven interest in women’s youth programs. We feel the time is right to bring the highest level of women’s professional soccer to the Triangle.”

Professional women’s soccer was previously in the Raleigh area from 2001-2003, when the Carolina Courage played in the now defunct Women’s United Soccer Association (WUSA). The Courage played at the same stadium that is now called the WakeMed Soccer Park, which opened in 2002. It seats 10,000 fans after 3,000 seats were added in 2011. The Railhawks (now NCFC) have played there since inception in 2006. Earlier this year the club trademarked the name Courage as an option to revive the name going forward.

“We are aggressively pursuing it,” NCFC president Curt Johnson said, adding that they are having on-going conversation with NWSL commissioner Jeff Plush and US Soccer president Sunil Gulati. “We want to make an announcement within the next six months to bring an NWSL team here.

“We are answering a lot of questions the NWSL has about the market, and we are providing good answers. I think it’s going to be attractive for them to see the level of interest here now that we have gone public with it.”

Malik noted that the Raleigh-Durham-Chapel Hill area compares favorably to all other markets seeking franchises in MLS or NWSL.

“We are a top-25 television market and one of the fastest growing areas of the country,” said Malik.

Anson Dorrance, the coach who has guided the University of North Carolina women’s team to 22 national championships, said last week that he is involved in the effort to bring an NWSL team to North Carolina. FC Kansas City midfielder and U.S. women’s national team great Heather O’Reilly was also reportedly in attendance at Tuesday’s announcement.

Reporting by Tim Nash

  • anon

    So is HAO going to be on this new team? Or will she coach I wonder?

    • CED

      NC is going to be like Atlanta..wanting for years. Next expansion will be 2 west teams. IMO. The only east expansion will occur if the owners are NYCFC or Barca. Barca will likely be CA team if they follow thru, 2nd option would be Fla based team

      • guest45

        I don’t see why ATL, NC, and 2 west coast teams can’t all get added in 2018? I mean if the interest is there why not add 4?

        • CED

          1) NWSL wants to expand in 2’s
          2) Not enough talent if you want a quality product. The low pay is already producing an exodus of top foreign players, which is lowering quality. .Euro clubs will pay more than the 39K max. It’s also hard to keep young US players beyond a few years if they see no NT future. To sum it up, the talent pool is not big enough to do a 4 team expansion and have them be more than cannon fodder like Sky Blue. Dilution by over expansion has occurred in NHL. NBA, etc..

          • Steglitz49

            #2) Only the rich men’s clubs in Europe can offer their players as much as $39,000 a year. The vast majority of WoSo players in EU earn nothing or next to nothing.

            Time will tell which NWSL players will be playing in Europe next year. Maybe the odd Canadian and Alex Morgan.

            I suspect it is cheaper to sign the odd Swede or Norwegian, like Bayern Munich Fridolina Rolfö or Chelsea Maren Mjelde, than a NWSL player of comparable quality.

    • guest

      I think her husband works in the Triangle and they live there full time so I imagine she will be affiliated if it goes through

      • Rufan

        They live in Chapel Hill.

  • A_Dog_Without_A_Clutch
  • CED

    There is a great distance between wanting a team and getting a team, ask Atlanta who have been trying to get a team for years.

    1)Cali takes precedent and I could easily see 2 CA teams in 2018…LAFC, Sacramento, Barca(meeting about it just recently and with Gulati)

    2)West expansion would balance the league and reduce the travel costs of the current isolated west teams. Also, brings the east/west conference into set up in to play. LAFC, RSL, etc… NWSL claimed 4+ teams in MLS were interested.

    3North Carolina has a PR problem. Both the NCAA and pro sports leagues have pulled events from NC b/c of their anti – LGBQT laws. NCAA pulled BBall tournament games and Colllege Cup. The ACC conference on their own pulled the conf tournament and the league has 4 teams in the state of NC. NC is a consistent host site for NCAA games so this was a big statement. NBA also pulled the All Star game from NC. NWSL has strong following in the LGBTQ community and progressives in general, giving a team to NC until those laws are changed would not sit well. The state legislature is still run by the people who passed the laws, though the governor lost by about one thousand vote out of over 4mil. So, his policies were still popular with essentially 50% of the people

    4)College sports doesn’t always transfer to pro. The possible closing of a NC team in NASL is a warning to MLS and/or NWSL

    • Andy

      While I’d be surprised to see NC with a team in 2018 primarily for #2 mentioned above, I hope it happens. It is an great location for a team.

      • CED

        NC doesn’t have a chance unless they can manage to get the Repub legislature to roll back those laws. Even then I think they are still not near the front of the line.

    • mockmook

      “their anti – LGBQT laws”

      The law isn’t “anti – LGBQT” — it is common sense.

      But, everyone on the left loves to over-react and have “drama” — pretend they are great heroes in the face of great “evil”.

      • Is this reactionary?

        It has been characterized as anti-tranny. Activists want men to able to patronize the girls room if they feel female. NC law says no.

        • Steglitz49

          It was losing states like NC that cooked Mrs Bill’s goose. In NC she was 46.17% vs 49.83% to DJT when the country as a whole landed on 48.05% vs 46.10%.

          • guest

            or the questionable bullying tactics of republican voters, messed up ballot counts, etc. popular vote says the country wanted Hillary. Republicans won on a technicality and because of the outdated electoral college – the only way they can currently win and will ever win another election again

          • sam

            The electoral college overrepresents the most ignorant and bigoted parts of the country, unfortunately.

          • guest

            #Calexit

          • CED

            Our entire system overrepresents low population areas which tend to be very Republican. The founders never thought 1 state would have 40X as much population as many others or that 1 state would have more population than the 21. such as CA. CA has 2 votes in the Senate, where the real power lies and the 21 smallest have a combined 42 votes and thus can theoretically block the will of the 280+Million, while representing less than 40Million. This disproportionate power to population is why things that poll at 75 or 80% approval nationally don’t get done when the opposition comes from mainly low population states. We literally have tyranny of the minority. Repubs candidates got less votes for President, less votes nationally in the Senate, less vote nationally in the House races while winning all 3.

          • Steglitz49

            If the Democrats had chosen an candidate that carried less baggage and was not seen as an inferior copy of her hubby, they would have kept the White House in a walk. Bernie Sanders would have won.

            Even with a ticket of Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito, the Democrats would have won.

          • CED

            Please stop talking. Trump had more baggage, coupled with pure ignorance, bigotry, sexism, bragging about sexual assault, pathological lying, etc…

          • Steglitz49

            Mrs Bill had baggage that mattered. Worse, it mattered a lot in swing states. Even white women did not trust that woman let alone minorities.

          • CED

            Let’s sum this up. A bunch of people who don’t have skills to succeed in a modern economy fell for classic demagoguery full of xenophobia, bigotry, misogyny, etc… It’s the same thing happening all over europe the last few years.

          • Steglitz49

            Europe has very different problems from the USA, as you ken well.

            Some and even a lot of Europeans would blame the US’s actions for those problems.

            The solution as you type, is education, education and education. At the same time it is undeniable that a number of people in America have gotten jolly rich during the past 25 years by being in the right place at the right time — and those have by and large been white and male.

          • Claude

            Talk about WoSo

          • Steglitz49

            Wrong verb. Type, not talk.

            Please register yourself so we can follow your comments.

          • guest

            You really are stupid.

          • Claude

            Not WoSo related. Please follow your own instructions

          • Steglitz49

            Please register yourself so we can follow your comments.

          • guest

            If you don’t like the electoral college, move to Canada, idiot. Everyone knew the rules going into this election: win battleground states, and Hillary failed.

          • Steglitz49

            Don’t challenge him. He can’t cope, poor lamb.

          • annie

            Not liking something doesn’t mean you can’t push for change once society has evolved beyond it.

          • guest

            We’ve supposedly evolved past authoritarian governments, we are in the (too slow, imo) process of evolving past religion, and the electoral college is the next thing that needs to go for the sake of progress.

          • guest

            “the electoral college is the next thing that needs to go”
            States are never give up the power they hold in the electoral college, dimwit. The only way to do it is by breaking up the union.

          • CED

            I know this is beyond you. but the system is antiquated and literally is the source of division. The people crying about being neglected, the white working class, voted against their economic interest for decades and are reaping it. They don’t have skills for the modern economy and seek to drag the country to the 1950’s so they have something and someone to blame.

          • guest

            Do these people really think this corporate con artist who lives on top of a skyscraper is really going to re-open coal mines and bring long gone manufacturing jobs back to the US? how stupid can you possibly be.

          • CED

            Many do, they refuse to realize the fact is coal have declined largely b/c of changes in extraction. There is more machinery and also the technique of mountain top removal. They also think manufacturing is coming back neglecting the reasons why those jobs are down the last 25 years. The decline from it’s peak 25 years ago at 20M jobs, to 12.5 now is technology/productivity. Industry analysis shows that actual manufactured good has doubled in 25 years while using 1/3rd less workers. That means 6M(80%) of the 7.5M less jobs in manufacturing were actually lost by technology and increased productivity. The jobs that are actually be added in manufacturing are high end and skilled. The days of a getting to the middle class with a HS diploma or even less, are virtually gone.

          • guest

            “People really think this corporate con artist is really going to re-open coal mines?”
            He could, idiot, by executive order, basically signing a document.

          • guest

            “Drag the country to the 1950’s ”
            Let’s blame the white working class, and the coal miners!

          • CED

            The truth hurts, they voted for a 1950’s regression spouting every xenophobic, bigoted, sexist things that was ok in the 1950’s. They also are foolishly hoping for a fantasy of jobs returning that are gone mostly b/c of technology. They won’t a 1950’s world where a completely uneducated white person and had t work to fail. They don’t realize the reason they had to work to fail is b/c the world was destroyed post WWII, most jobs were closed to women, and also minorities. The succeeded b/c there was no competition b/c white men in power made sure of to oppress others. They can’t stand the modern world where you need a marketable skill and being white and a male is enough. You need an education or a skill for the modern world.

          • Steglitz49

            He seems to be blaming the Coalminer’s Daughters.

          • Claude

            Where did they play?

          • Steglitz49

            Try Nashville TN.

            While you are at it, please register yourself so we can follow you.

          • sam

            #Calexit

          • Lorehead

            This discussion is off-topic, so I’ll just say that we all ought to have more respect for people who disagree with our politics. This has really gotten out of hand.

          • Steglitz49

            It seems typical for a discussion around WoSo — as soon as possible off topic and into at best tangentially relevant topics of little or no significance to women and none to WoSo.

          • Lorehead

            Yeah, I’ve already gone into too many digressions here. I’d have been responding to the Mock(mook) draft instead, which is interesting and on-topic, except I don’t feel I’ve watched enough college games to scout any of the players and offer an informed opinion.

          • Steglitz49

            Abraham Lincoln was elected with less than 40% of the votes cast.

          • Steglitz49

            The Democrats only have themselves to blame. They were on easy street in 2008. Then they messed up one step after the other.

            Now the country can look forward to dark days indeed. Once we know who DJT puts on the Supreme Court, NC’s laws may be the least of the problems for the women of USA.

          • guest

            Obviously, you’re pro-choice. DJT wants the individual states to decide, instead of letting the Court invent new rights. Dark indeed.

          • Steglitz49

            Since Sandra O’Connor stepped down, the Court has been a miserable excuse. When Judge Alito sometimes can be a beacon of truth on that bench, you must wonder.

            Btw, Ward’s Coffee, a small independent producer in NJ, sells a Judge Alito Blend. It is supreme. They have one shop in Chatham NJ (home to the talkative pigs) and the other one in Newark (I think).

          • guest

            What are you babbling about now? Does Sweden or Brussels write your abortion laws?

          • Steglitz49

            Abortion became legal in Sweden in 1938. The law was extended in 1946 and again in 1963. It was further extended in 1974.

          • guest

            I’m sure you’re proud of this glorious history.

          • Steglitz49

            Birger Jarl, Magnus the barn locker and Engelbrekt rule OK.

          • Claude

            Again. Not WoSo related. Why are you blaming others?

          • Steglitz49

            If “guest” had the courage to register her/him-self, all would be well.

          • sam

            Why is someone like you posting on a WOMENS SOCCER BOARD. You love Trump and his cronies’ plans to chip away at womens rights? Good for you. spend your time on another website.

          • guest

            ” chip away at womens rights” You mean abortion? I don’t know what that has to do with woso. Utah is socially conservative, and they love their woso, by all accounts

          • Claude

            This is a WoSo site. Please follow our rules

          • Steglitz49

            I answered a question of considerable importance to women, not just those who play soccer.

          • Claude

            WoSo?

          • Steglitz49

            Who so? How so? So so?

          • Arcie Tillydee

            No, “the country” didn’t want Hillary. It didn’t want Trump, either. A significant plurality (over 40%) of eligible voters DIDN’T VOTE. The current system gave us two incredibly awful candidates, and a whole lot of people just said f**k it.”

            And now I feel dirty for posting politics on EQ…

          • Lorehead

            For what it’s worth, turnout was especially high this year. Thirty million more people voted in 2016 than in 2000.

          • guest

            The population has increased since 2000 though. I thought that both Trump and Clinton received less votes than their respective predecessors in 2012.

          • Lorehead

            That was based on early, incomplete returns. It turns out that HRC got more votes than Obama in 2012, but fewer than Obama in 2008, and Trump got more than Romney, but 2.6 million fewer than HRC.

            Also, the rumor about millions of illegal votes is a dangerous lie. Please, everyone, don’t spread stories like that.

          • CED

            HRC is still has 400K votes less than Obama got in 2012.

          • Lorehead

            Your information is out of date. Many people don’t realize that votes are still being counted and reported.

          • CED

            Obama’s 65,915,795 votes won in the 2012 presidential election, which currently stands as the
            second-highest total in American history. But Clinton, whose total on Tuesday evening Dec 6th stood at 65,503,605 according to The Cook Political Report Popular Vote Tracker,needs to find just 412,191 votes to top Obama’s total and become the second-highest vote-getter in U.S. history — and the highest vote-getter who did not actually assume the presidency.

            There are only about 150K uncounted votes left as of yesterday in CA.

          • Lorehead
          • CED

            Every site has 65.9M except the anomalous one you clearly scrounged for hard with wrong data. You clearly overlooked purposely every other site with the correct info.

            Btw, just go to the actual source, the Federal Election Commission.
            http://www.fec.gov/pubrec/fe2012/2012pres.pdf

            Obama 65,915,759

            You’re Wrong As Usual!!!!!!

          • CED

            You were already proven wrong by The FEC. But, just wanted to mention the source you cite for HRC total, the Cook Report, I gather you trust it, since you cited it.. If you even used your own source you would have seen they have the same vote total for Obama as the FEC. The one you foolishly said was wrong. You were proven wrong by your own source, if you actually searched it thoroughly. They are also the ones that write she is 421K votes behind Obama 2012 total(as of tuesday) and that there are about 150K votes uncounted in CA.

          • mockmook

            Looks like some ~ 450k votes were not recorded in NYC until after the electoral college had voted — apparently caused by Hurricane Sandy. That’s where the 65,915,795 comes from.

          • Steglitz49

            It seems to me that if you don’t vote, you can’t complain and if you do not vote, you do not do your duty as a citizen.

            I expect that hundreds of PhDs will be written analyzing why Mrs Bill did not win. Why she failed to get votes in key states.

            Truman in 1948 was probably the last to win a presidential election without carrying several big states.

          • Lorehead

            Ah, that would explain it. Thank you for the correction. HRC did just get some more votes from New York City yesterday, too, so it does look like she could still go slightly over. But her turnout (and yes, I am using that word correctly) is going to be about the same as Obama’s in 2012, while DJT’s will be much higher than Romney’s, so the claim that Americans were put off and didn’t vote isn’t supported by the facts.

          • guest

            Thank you for the correction and the information. I don’t know about millions of fraudulent votes and I wasn’t the guest who might have mentioned something about it. I do know that my brother was told when he got to his polling station that he had already voted. Maybe there was some error on their part but at the time it seemed like fraudulent voting could be a potential reason.

          • Lorehead

            It seems more likely to have been an error than fraud, but of course I don’t know anything about it than you just told me. Logically, if lots people were showing up to vote in person in place of someone else at the same precinct, then they would at least sometimes arrive at the same time, while the real person or someone who knew him was right there in line, or else show up after the real person, and get caught.

            Is there another person by the same name nearby? Is he a Junior or Trey? Did he already send in a mail-in ballot? That’s how some similar cases arose. You don’t say which state that was, but anywhere, he should by law have been allowed to request a provisional ballot.

          • guest

            Don’t know. Neither. No. NJ. He did end up requesting a provisional ballot so I’m sure it ended up working out fine. I’m inclined to agree on it likely just being an error.

          • Lorehead

            He should definitely complain about that, but it might be as simple as the precinct worker marking the person above or below him in the wrong box. I really love Oregon’s vote-by-mail system; it’s a lot more convenient and has fewer problems.

          • CED

            Turnout was not high this year. Voter turnout in 2016 was at the lowest since 1996.

          • Lorehead

            That’s incorrect. Keep in mind that California in particular took a long time to count all its votes, so stories written right after the election were either based on an incomplete count, or entirely fake.

          • CED

            You clearly have no idea what voter turnout means. It’s the % of eligible voters that vote. It was about 55% You clearly think absolute vote count is the same as actual turnout. You think b/c the number of absolute voted increases the turnout did. The number of eligible voters increased a lot while the number of actual votes increased a much smaller amount.

          • Lorehead

            You get very defensive whenever someone catches you in a factual error, which happens often, and start yelling how stupid everyone else is. For the record, you made at least three more errors in your latest post. However, there is no point in trying to discuss anything with you as if you were a reasonable adult. If I reply to you again, it will be simply to correct another of your mistakes.

          • CED

            There is no error. You just don’t know what turnout means. It was down. You just can’t understand basic facts.

          • guest

            Ok. The people who exercised their right to vote voted for Hillary.

          • guest

            What cooked Hillary’s goose is Hillary. What was this thread supposed to be about?

          • Steglitz49

            Life, liberty and the pursuit of WoSo plus the protection of women.

          • Claude

            Please talk about WoSo

          • Steglitz49

            Please direct your comment to Mockmook and CED.

      • smallchief

        Baloney. The law was clearly designed to discriminate against a group in the US population that the right despises. It has cost North Carolina billions of dollars as companies, entertainers, and sporting events have pulled out of the state.

        There will be opposition — from players, owners, and fans — for the creation of a woso team in North Carolina until its LGBQT law is repealed. So, don’t send in your request for season tickets just yet.

        • mockmook

          I guess that means the left despises whites, heterosexuals, and males…

          What a fun (and stupid) game to play!!!

          • annie

            Please give an example of the left attempting to pass a law that attempts to impose limitations specifically on heterosexual couples, whites or males. I beg you.

          • guest

            you are responding to one of the stupidest posters on this site and that is really saying something.

          • mockmook

            Affirmative action.

      • CED

        No It’s not..it’s a bigoted and law and the NCAA and other major sports league unlike wingnuts like you are treating it as such.

        • guest

          What is “bigoted” about protecting women and girls from male sexual predators?

          • CED

            It’s not about that. It’s about people wanting to codify their bigotry against people they don;t like. It’s the same as the fake “religious freedom” laws, trying to codify bigotry against gay people. The fact you use “sexual predator” shows your bigotry. In your deluded mind a person a trans person is by definition a predator. But, again the bigots like you, who made this law aren’t bigoted…LOL. The fact is the overwhelming, not even close , sexual predators, sexual assaults, child molesters, etc…and sex crimes perpetrators are heterosexuals. Btw, it’s not happening in the public bathroom either.

          • guest

            The first responsibility of government is to protect the weak and the innocent, and that’s all this law does. It’s only being codified now because prior to this everyone just thought it was common sense to bar men from the ladies room.

            You claim the law is motivated by bigotry and that my reference to predators proves this fact. Unfortunately, you fell into a trap. Where did I say gay people were predators? I said predators–and logic certainly dictates that most of them would be heterosexual–would abuse this new right by using the pretext of being transsexual to enter the ladies room and commit crimes against women and children. But this subtlety was lost on you and you jumped to your own conclusion instead–not surprising since most Americans are easy prey to the lies and distortion of the liberal media and its emotional and illogical arguments.

          • Steglitz49

            CED does not understand that there are reasons why DJT carried NC a state that should be solidly for the Democrats.

          • CED

            Please stop talking about something you know nothing about. NC should not be solidly for Dems. Obama won in a landslide in 2008 and barely won it and won easily again in 2012 and lost it. NC hasn’t been Dem solidly since the Dixiecrats and they were the racist who switched to the Repubs after the Civil Rights Act.

          • Steglitz49

            Condoleezza Rice was a Republican. The reason she was a Browns’ fan says it all.

            We can agree that the Democrats are stupid. They got the Civil Rights Act on the books but forgot to stay true and just and thus lost the fruit of their labor. Nixon signed Title IX.

            In 1948 Harry Truman carried NC. Truman garnered 58% of their vote. Truman lost New York 45 vs 46% but carried Texas with 66% and Virginia with 48%. Truman also lost Michigan, NJ, NH and PA.

            In short, the Democrats have only them selves to blame. Had Obama been savvy the Affordable Care Act would have been stronger and he would have gotten his 3rd judge appointed.

          • CED

            Stay to Sweden politics you’re embarrassing yourself.

          • Steglitz49

            One of two first women members of Augsuta National. Condi, not Mrs Bill.

          • CED

            OMG..back to making irrelevant and stupid comments again. Soon I am going back to blocking your stupidity again.

          • Steglitz49

            If you block everyone who disagrees with you, you lead a most boring existence. Worse, you are a potential danger to your neighbor.

          • CED

            No, I just block people who overwhelmingly make stupid and ignorant comments. People like you who comment on things they absolutely know nothing about and revel in their wilful ignorance even when facts are presented. Again, your MO!

          • Steglitz49

            You could always block yourself.

          • Claude

            This is a WoSo site

          • Steglitz49

            This one belongs to CED.

          • Steglitz49

            Please register yourself so we can follow your comments.

          • Claude

            This is a WoSo site. Please talk about WoSo

          • Steglitz49

            This one goes back to CED and Mockmook so please direct your ire at them.

          • CED

            No it doesn’t it’s a blatant attempt to codify bigotry of a group the rightwing in particular don’t like. Btw, please stop with the stupid rightwing logic spouted before. If people wanted to dress up to be sexual predators they already would. Thanks again for not only displaying your bigotry, but pure ignorance. You’re clearly not bright, bigoted, and thus surely a Trump voter.

          • Steglitz49

            S/he may have voted for Trump, which more people did in NC than voted for Mrs Bill.

          • Claude

            This is a WoSo site. Please stick to WoSo

          • Steglitz49

            This one belongs to “guest” and to CED.

            While you are at it, please ask “guest” to register herself.

          • guest

            “If people wanted to dress up to be sexual predators they already would” Yes, of course they can, but do we need to help them? Again, your logic fails you.

          • CED

            You really can’t be that stupid. Of course you are, your Trumpster.

          • guest

            Ah, the ad hominem attack, the last resort of the weak and feeble-minded. You failed again, knit-wit.

          • CED

            LOL. Keep going. Still waiting for the list of incidents that you claim were the impetus of the law? Come on be proud like the rest of the Trumpsters. They are crowing they can openly be bigots, xenophobes, etc… You don’t need to hide behind the BS anymore. Trumps real message was “Make American White Again.” You people sucked it up. His entire campaign strategy was what he self labeled the hidden white vote over a year ago. He got in their good favor by the 6 yr racist birhter trope against Obama. Followed that up with his first declaration as a candidate being a xenophobic and racist statement against Mexicans. Followed that with islamaphobia. Then after laying the groundwork of bigotry and people to blame for the low income white persons plight he went full Nixonian on the law and order BS. Code for we need to crack down on all non white people. Capped it off with the post apocalyptic BS on the state of the country and that only a lunatic like him can save it. This is how a demagogue rises 101. Lean history.

          • guest

            “The list of incidents”
            It happens. Read “News of the Weird”. And now they have permission to enter the ladies room–great. Anyway, can you tell me why they can’t just use the men’s room? They’re gonna get beat up? That’s assault, and it’s wrong. Besides, if someone wanted to commit violence against gay people, there’s already plenty of opportunities to do that. They’re embarrassed? About what?

            “Make American White Again”
            You obviously don’t have a very high opinion of white people. I agree, DJT went overboard on the “Mexicans are all…” statement, but all he had to say was “there are 13 million illegals in the country who should probably leave” and he would’ve been factually correct, and would’ve been condemned as a racist just the same. I could go on, but I don’t want to get banned from this website.

          • CED

            You must be a loon…”News of the Weird” as a source. Your in clown territory. To put it simple you can;t produce the facts b/c the impetus of the law was pure bigotry by Repubs.

            You don’t get it Trump did what he did with his statements b/c it got the xenophobes, bigots, etc..excited. Repubs have stated there are X number of illegals and it didn’t bring the scumbags out in the rural areas. There is a reason the KKK and other hate groups have been loud and proud and saying Trump was speaking to them. There is reason multiple studies showing high level of racial resentment is the prime indicator of being a Trump supporter. The Repubs weren’t explicit enough in the past, Trump was blatant as these people looked for a scapegoat to their plight. The fact is they don’t have the skills for the modern world. They did it again as Trump is a pure conman.

          • guest

            You want “incidents”? You know what a peeping tom is, right? You still haven’t explained why the men’s room is inadequate.
            You claim bigotry, but offer no proof.

          • CED

            The bigot is back for more. Waiting for the list of the incidence that you claim is the impetus for the law. THERE ARE NONE YOU CAN CITE! CITE THE NUMEROUS POLICE REPORTS THAT MADE YOU BIGOTS SEE THE NEED FOR THE LAW. Oh wait, it’s just bigots like you, who don’t like a particular group trying to legally codify their bigotry. A solution without a problem, based in discrimination, the Republican way.

          • anon

            “knit”-wit, dimwit, etc. – you conservatards sure have intelligent responses.

          • guest2

            “I said predators–and logic certainly dictates that most of them would be heterosexual–would abuse this new right by using the pretext of being transsexual to enter the ladies room and commit crimes against women and children.”

            Do you think the majority of transgender people are heterosexual sexual predator? If not it makes no sense to make a law that applies to so few transgender people but discriminates against them all like they potentially could be sexual predators.

            Do transgender men or women not fall into your innocent category? Do you know what’s more noticeable than a transgender women using the Women’s restroom? A transgender women using the Men’s room. That makes it clear to everyone who sees her in the men’s room what she is. The law was clearly conceived from bigotry and you are clearly ignorant of what life is like for these transgender people. CED has explained well why your sexual predator argument is ridiculous.

          • guest

            “Do you think the majority of transgender people are heterosexual sexual predator?” This makes no sense, sorry.

            “Do transgender men or women not fall into your innocent category?” Good point, yes they do. Many places have third, undefined bathrooms. As far as men dressed as women using the mens room, as a male, I would think it’s amusing. If some male were to take offense at the man in a dress and assaulted him/her, THAT would be a crime.

            “sexual predator argument is ridiculous”
            Not ridiculous at all. It gives predators an alibi.

          • guest

            “Do you think the majority of transgender people are heterosexual sexual predator?” Did I say that? Again, jumping to conclusions.

          • anon

            seems quite bigoted to label trans people as sexual predators or claim that the rate of sexual predation is higher among trans folks. it’s like labeling gay people as child molesters which unbelievably still happens. nothing to stop a male sexual predator from entering a womens’ room if they want to, whether they identify as trans or not.

          • guest

            Allowing males into the ladies room is a peeping tom’s dream come true.

        • mockmook

          Nope, a bunch of people have adopted a stupid, but fashionable, cause.

          Let’s listen in for a moment when they get together for a meeting:

          “No, I’m on a higher moral plane than you!”
          “No, I’m on a higher moral plane than you!”
          “No, I’m on a higher moral plane than you!”
          Etc. Etc. Etc.

      • Lorehead

        First, remember that there were many different provisions of the bill, and one repealed the local ordinances in the blue cities that made it illegal to fire gay people for being gay. There’s still no such law on the federal or state level, either.

        A friend of mine is a trans woman in North Carolina, and the law created a huge problem for her. She’s no danger to other women, but she herself is in danger from men if she’s forced to out herself. Keep in mind that her fear of being attacked herself when she uses the bathroom has often happened to trans people, while your fear of a cis man calling himself trans just to attack women has never happened (and would already be illegal, and could not possibly happen in a single-occupancy bathroom or with a trans man). It also fails to recognize the existence of intersex conditions. It’s just a bad law, even from the perspective of achieving its own stated goals with minimal imposition on others.

        I would respectfully but firmly suggest that you meet and get to know some of the people you’re talking about before you make up your mind what “common sense” says about them. Common sense is very often wrong.

        • Steglitz49

          Your final sentence — “Common sense is very often wrong.” — destroys your case because it is a nonsense statement because if something “very often is wrong” then it would not be “common sense” in the normal meaning of that expression.

          Something may be common as in not rare and something may be common in transferred meaning as of low quality or standard. Likewise we speak of something being vulgar as a step beyond common as another transferred meaning because vulgar means common as in the Vulgate translation of the Bible (Versio Vulgata), that is common as muck.

          • Lorehead

            Please go look the word “common” up in the dictionary. To expand on that line a bit, some of our taboos can seem like common sense to us because we’ve never questioned them, but still be wrong.

            In particular, we can’t deduce what trans people are like and what laws should apply to them from first principles, starting from the folk-belief that we can always determine someone’s sex by looking at them and there’s never something more complicated going on that we can’t see. We have to get to know them.

          • Claude

            This is a WoSo site. You can discuss the bible somewhere else.

            And please de-register yourself since we don’t want to follow your blabla

          • Steglitz49

            The Vulgate is a classic piece of translation, a bit like the AV called the KJV in the US. The Vulgate is commonly viewed as the work of Jerome St Jerome.

            In this case, the Vulgate is relevant because of its English name or descriptor, the Vulgate, is derived from Versio Vulgata which means the “version commonly-used” Thus, we are back to that word “common”.

            In the case of the AV/KJV there is a direct line of descent to Tyndale via Coverdale and ultimately back to Wycliffe. They wera all translators who helped shape the English language as did Shakespeare.

            For our next interaction, we can turn to Slovenia.

        • guest

          “fear of being attacked herself when she uses the bathroom”
          Remember–assault is a crime. I’m curious about your friend though. Has she surgically been fixed (if that’s the correct term)? If she has, what is the problem? In NC, as long as everything is in order, she should have no problem using the ladies room.

          “a cis man calling himself trans just to attack women has never happened” You’ve heard of peeping toms?

          • Lorehead

            One of the problems with the bathroom bill is that it requires people to change their birth certificates, and different jurisdictions have different requirements for what it takes to do that. So, someone born in Tennessee (for example; she wasn’t) would not be able to have a sex change recognized in North Carolina, even after surgery.

            I think I’ll refrain from posting any details of her life here. I do appreciate your effort to ask what terms to use to be polite. I’ve heard her call it “top surgery” and “bottom surgery” more casually, and I think the formal term is sexual reassignment surgery. (It’s possible someone would be offended at “fixed,” but I haven’t asked.)

            The lack of examples shows that this wasn’t a real problem, whereas there are many cases of someone attacking someone else for using the “wrong” bathroom. The reason I think it’s a bad law is that it’s ostensibly meant to stop something that was already illegal, but the way it’s written outlaws a number of things that have nothing to do with that stated purpose, and it causes a lot of hardship to a lot of innocent people. A lot of proponents, including here, basically admit that what they really want is for their understanding of who’s allowed to use what bathroom to have the force of law, In other words, making it a felony to use a locked, single-occupancy bathroom doesn’t conceivably protect any woman from anyone in any way; that’s just a pretext.

          • guest

            Thank you for your intelligent response to my question, and I wish your friend the best of luck. I don’t see how there can be much of a problem for her once she has everything in order.

            I just don’t see how there can be a problem though with people using the bathroom that corresponds to their biological sex. The only reason I’ve heard is fear of violence. But there are laws against assault, and I don’t think the threat is great enough that we have to do away with our age-old tradition of separate bathrooms. If you’re a man in a dress and truly scared, you’ll just have to run the risk of using the lady’s room.

            But is this law really necessary? Aren’t there laws like this already on the books?

          • Lorehead

            There are definitely laws against assault, yes, but that’s not much protection in the moment, and the police often do not take the side of the trans woman.

            I think you get to the meat of it when you talk about doing away with the tradition of separate bathrooms. If the motive is genuine concern about the safety of women, then the law doesn’t make a lot of sense. It’s also very insulting to be told that she’s not only wrong to think she’s a woman, but presumed to be a sexual predator who’s lying in order to attack women.

            It’s really, I think, about preserving the current set of taboos about bathrooms by giving them the force of law. (And going after a lot of other things the blue cities did that the red legislature didn’t like, such as raising the minimum wage and extending anti-discrimination laws to gay people.) Unfortunately, that ends up hurting some very vulnerable people.

          • mockmook

            Right, “taboos” are nonsense — men and women must share the same bathrooms and locker rooms — anyone who says otherwise is just a fool, a retrograde, deplorable…

          • Lorehead

            Please try not to take disagreement personally.

          • mockmook

            I’m not. Projection…

          • Lorehead

            You just put a bunch of accusations in my mouth that I never made and took offense at them. Are you or are you not participating in good faith?

          • mockmook

            The medium is the message — in this medium, nuance is lost — I accused you of nothing.

          • Lorehead

            Oh give me a break. Go back and read what you wrote. Were you helping by posting it?

            I already blocked you once and then gave you a second chance. If you’re going to keep reacting to what some imaginary strawman in your head is saying instead of what I say, I’ll have to do it again. I don’t see any point in continuing this conversation, and I don’t have the impression anyone else here wants it to go on either.

          • mockmook

            My comment only reflected the general climate of “hate” by the left. But, to be specific, on this article/thread alone, I am characterized as anti-LBGT, bigoted, a wingnut, and stupid.

            And, now, you are implying that I’m lying.

          • Steglitz49

            He does block. He admits it freely. My supposition is wrong.

            I wonder why people block others? If you join the debate then you must cope with the debate, not check out when it does not suit you.

          • Lorehead

            Well, I’m not calling you any of those things. A lot of people on the Internet are trolls. Judging the other side by its worst, while I certainly am not responsible for that troll over there on my side and most of us aren’t like that, is a recipe for convincing myself that the other side is wholly evil.

          • mockmook

            “Well, I’m not calling you any of those things”

            AND, I REPEAT, I NEVER SAID THAT YOU DID

          • Lorehead

            Well, I never said you said I did, no returns times infinity with a cherry on top! Why are we arguing about this anyway?

          • Steglitz49

            I would turn it around and look at it from another angle. A number of people come on and argue some minority topic of little or no relevance to WoSo. They either do not register themselves or make themselves “private” BUT when slurs are made against the lifestyles and preferences of named players, they are nowhere to be seen defending those players.

            In short, they are strong on theory and principles but short on practice and reality.

            On this topic maybe they should be forced to vote on a straightforward question: What sort of bathroom do I want my daughter &/or niece to have the right to use?

          • guest

            I would keep the tradition of separate bathrooms, on the grounds that they don’t harm anyone.

          • Steglitz49

            Look on the bright side: at least he does not block people who disagree with him.

          • Lorehead

            I’m not sure we have enough common ground to make discussing this topic again productive, but if the words I used made you angry, I’m happy to rephrase in terms that I hope you’d be more likely to agree with. I do want to understand where you’re coming from.

            But also, the next time you’re tempted to go off on how those precious snowflakes take so much offense at people not using the right words, I hope you stop and consider that you just did exactly the same thing yourself. Most people do, when it’s their turn to feel offended.

            Anyway, a lot of unisex bathrooms exist and cause absolutely no problems whatsoever, which proves that the tradition of single-sex bathrooms doesn’t exist for practical reasons. And the bill is not a narrowly-tailored measure to keep people safe. What I hear the supporters saying is, it’s really an effort to push back against perceived social engineering by declaring as a matter of law that trans women are not really women and do not belong in women’s restrooms.

          • guest

            Just curious, where are these unisex bathrooms?

          • Lorehead

            They’re common for small, single units with a lock on the door. That is, after all, what most of us have in our own homes!

          • Steglitz49

            The whole of this discussion illustrates why DJT could win. He spoke in a simple way that people could understand. Whether his ideas for solving various problems make sense mattered less than that on certain topics he did not overcomplicate matters but found the grove that resonated with a lot of people, not least in the swing states.

          • guest

            So what you are saying is that he appeals to stupid people. I agree.

          • Steglitz49

            Whatever he does, it worked for him when it mattered.

          • Steglitz49

            You seem to be #1Fan’s spiritual sibling in that you come across as arguing for the sake of arguing.

            DJT seems to have figured out that if he could speak in a simple way that people could understand — in reality resonate with people in the swing states –then it did not matter whether his ideas were workable or not.

            I understand that that is an oversimplification but while Mrs Bill came across as someone who checked on her smartphone what the opinion-polls said on the topic before answering a question, DJT just plowed on.

            I suspect that Republicans hope that DJT will be a second RR.

          • guest

            “arguing for the sake of arguing”
            No, Lorehead has a clear point of view–very liberal. But to his credit, he doesn’t name-call or condemn.

          • guest

            “she’s a woman, but presumed to be a sexual predator” Never said this. The reason we have separate bathrooms is because of men, and I don’t see any reason to change this.

            ” hurting some very vulnerable people.”
            Don’t you consider women and children to be vulnerable?

    • Steglitz49

      Though it may well be true that as you type — “NWSL has strong following in the LGBTQ community and progressives in general” — does this explain the poor attendance in Chicago?

      30% of 5% is 1.5% and 6% is 0.3% while 2% of 95% is 1.9%. It might be easier to get a small piece of the bigger crowd because you do not need as much penetration.

  • Bruce

    “The club currently has a men’s team in the second-division North American Soccer League, which could as early as the end of Tuesday, fold, according to several reports.”

    Doesn’t that just about say it all?

  • Bruce

    I imagine the board meeting went like this…

    Guys our league will fold in a week and we’ll be out of business. But I’ve got a plan.

    New name – check.
    New logo – check.
    Press release – check.

    Nothing will stop us from failing up!

    • Ando91881

      How low will the average paid attendance be at CRS home matches next season? 2,700? 2,600? 2,400? 2,300?

      • Bruce

        It all depends on if they get a new logo.

        • Ando91881

          Actually, their attendance would improve a little bit if Shannon Ryan of the Chicago Tribune wrote a few articles about them per spring/summer. She writes 50,000 lines per year about Illini Football and Illini Men’s Basketball (neither of which have been popular with Chicago area folks for 6 or 7 years now). Waste of resources to write 50,000 lines per year in the Tribune about Illini Football when the public interest in them is so low.

          • mockmook

            Why does it have to be a woman writer who is responsible for “promoting” the league?

            Also, is it possible she is getting her assignments from an editor?

          • Ando91881

            It is not that she is a woman writer. It is because she has been assigned to cover a team that has a very tiny following in the Chicago metro area (Illini Football). Obviously the five major teams (Bears/Bulls/Cubs/Blackhawks/Sox) have huge TV contracts and sponsorship money and are going to get year round coverage. But Shannon Ryan is writing 25 articles about Illini football in July/August/September and zero about the Red Stars. It would make more sense for her coverage to be 60% Illini Football and 40% Red Stars.

          • Steglitz49

            She may not like soccer. She may intensely dislike WoSo.

          • Ando91881

            I find baseball to be pretty boring but I still hear a lot of coverage about it because the city has professional teams. I have not been to a White Sox game in 22 years and am indifferent about that team but I still am forced to hear coverage about them.

          • Steglitz49

            Media in Europe is no different. On a day when a ladies team in sport does something big, they may get close to top billing. For most of the time they are not even covered by the media though sometimes exposed.

          • Ando91881

            There is one dude sports journalist who writes about the Red Stars during their season – but he does not work for any kind of mainstream outlet like the Chicago Tribune, so almost no one is actually reading his articles.

            http://www.thesportsbank.net/football/christen-press-chicago-red-stars-top-of-table/

          • Steglitz49

            I never could understand why the NWSL put a team in Chicago.

          • I know this is an old post, but the lack of coverage in Chicago has always bothered me. Just want to say it doesn’t matter if a writer knows nothing about a sport or a particular topic. It is the sports editor’s job to assign people to cover events/issues even if they have no prior knowledge of that topic.

            They’re missing the boat in Chicago, and Toyota Park/Chicago Fire/Chicago Red Stars should have a PR person who is actively recruiting coverage of the sporting events held there.

          • Bruce

            Not any single sportswriter or sportscaster can be blamed for this. All responsibility lies with a CRS front office that has NO full time marketing or PR staff.

          • Steglitz49

            If it is true, as CED types elsewhere that — ” NWSL has strong following in the LGBTQ community and progressives in general” — maybe it says more about Chicago’s inhabitants than as a WoSo location.

            Fulltime staff costs money as does marketing and outreach. Do they have any volunteers?

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  • mockmook

    Semi-O/T (again)

    Don’t think I’ll make any more changes until some more trades happen:

    NWSL 2017 Mock Draft — Beta v.5.0

    Round 1

    01 . Breakers — Jordan ( F ) – Florida
    02 . Flash — Buchanan ( D ) – WVU
    03 . Breakers — Lavelle ( M ) – Wisconsin
    04 . Sky Blue — Lawrence ( M ) – WVU
    05 . FCKC — Mills ( D/M ) – USC
    06 . Reign — Freeman ( D/M ) – USC
    07 . Flash — Driesse ( M ) – PSU
    08 . Red Stars — Vasconcelos ( M/F ) – BYU
    09 . Breakers — Campbell ( GK ) – Stanford
    10 . Sky Blue — Gibbons ( D/M ) – Duke

    Round 2

    11 . Breakers — Cephers ( M ) – Va Tech
    12 . Breakers — Andrews ( M ) – USC
    13 . FCKC — Fletcher ( M ) – Cal
    14 . Thorns — Kolander ( F ) – Minnesota
    15 . Dash — Paul ( D ) – Georgetown
    16 . Breakers — Bauer ( D ) – Stanford
    17 . FCKC — Proffitt ( D/M ) – Marquette
    18 . Flash — Payne ( M/F ) – Duke
    19 . Spirit — Shaffer ( M ) – Virginia
    20 . Thorns — Crowley ( D ) – FSU

    Round 3

    21 . Breakers — Kelley ( M ) – Arkansas
    22 . Pride — Dougherty Howard ( M ) – Florida
    23 . Sky Blue — Kurtz ( D ) – S.Carolina
    24 . Sky Blue — Hatch ( F ) – BYU
    25 . FCKC — Ship ( F ) – Cal
    26 . Reign — Drennan ( M ) – S.Carolina
    27 . Thorns — Donaldson ( M ) – Mizzou
    28 . Red Stars — Castleberry ( M ) – UNC
    29 . Spirit — Alvarado ( M ) – UCLA
    30 . Sky Blue — Damaska ( F ) – Georgetown

    Round 4

    31 . Breakers — Hill ( F ) – UConn
    32 . Pride — Lachowecki ( F ) – Miami
    33 . Dash — Amack ( D ) – Stanford
    34 . Sky Blue — Prudhomme ( GK ) – USC
    35 . FCKC — Watson ( GK ) – TTU
    36 . Spirit — McNabb ( D ) – Virginia
    37 . Red Stars — Ribeiro ( F ) – UConn
    38 . Red Stars — Beal ( D ) – Minnesota
    39 . Red Stars — Boyles ( M ) – UNC
    40 . Thorns — Ramsier, C ( M ) – Auburn

    • xanthophobe

      I have a lot of trouble seeing Andrews drop out of the first round. I also don’t see Vascancelos going that high.

      • Steglitz49

        Verily. Also, Lawrence might well go before Lavelle; maybe even before Jordan?

      • Bruce

        I don’t know much about Vasconcelos. Red Stars’ first priority should be a midfielder to man the left flank. Anyone have an opinion on her fit for that?

        • Steglitz49

          They could always pick Morgan Andrews, who is far too low in MockMook’s list, but she is more attacking than defending.

          • mockmook

            I don’t think Andrews is fast enough for LM

          • Breakers fan

            I’m really banging my head over the issue of “Who would be a better pick for the Breakers — Lawrence or Andrews?” If everything else is equal, including the whole Canadian NT player, allocation questions, then who will be the better pro? I think they’ll take Andrews before Lawrence, (I think the local player factor has some clout for the Breakers, rightly or wrongly – to me it shouldn’t be a primary concern) but is that the right move? Lawrence’s speed trumps that of Andrews’ significantly, so do Andrews’s other attributes exceed the rest of Lawrence’s enough to warrant the choice of Andrews? I’m not sure. One good thing about an Andrews selection is that she’ll be around more often, while I presume Lawrence will disappear for stretches of time to play for Canada.

          • Steglitz49

            Does Canada play more WNT matches than the US?

            Also, the FIFA windows are there for a reason.

          • Breakers fan

            I don’t know and yeah, maybe the various NT players won’t have many NWSL game absences the next few years; it’s not something I’m very knowledgeable about, to be honest.

          • nstarsfan

            They have not in the past. Hopefully that changes though. Honestly, I’d pick Lawrence over Buchanan. She’s a beast, more versatile and consistent. They are best friends so I could see them preferring to play on the same team. If that means going overseas, they might.

          • Steglitz49

            Agree. They ought to be able to sell themselves as a dynamic duo.

          • CED

            Again, reveling in wilful ignorance. Any semi-intelligent person, not you clearly, could find that info in 30 seconds.

          • Steglitz49

            20 hours!

            You catch more flies with honey than vinegar.

            30 seconds?!!= 5 min at least.

          • MrTemecula

            Take Lawrence. Her speed will make a difference, but Andrews’ skills will get shutdown at the next level.

          • Breakers fan

            A good part of me agrees with you. Would her salary be paid by the Canadian soccer federation, do you know? I’m not clear how the “allocation” process works with Canadians and the NWSL. And I don’t know what plans, beyond the NWSL, if any, Lawrence and Buchanan may have in mind…

          • MrTemecula

            I forgot about allocation so Lawrence is an even better pick. Her salary will be picked up by Team Canada, so the Breakers could find a quality foreign player to use the money they just saved.

          • Breakers fan

            I could see Andrews being good too, so I don’t think it’s necessarily one OR the other – they both could be good, but Lawrence’s speed is rare and definitely could be a difference maker and it’s something Andrews does not possess. Just wondering first if she, Lawrence, *wants* to play in the NWSL next year. That’s of course the first piece of info one needs to know.

            I think they’re probably done looking overseas for next year after signing Haavi and with Dowie returning (not sure about Kyah Simon) and I know they gave up an int’l slot to get Alysha Chapman. They could just use the money saved to pay the returning players and the possibly numerous rookies they will have.

          • atalba

            I would definitely take Lawrence over Lavelle; maybe even take Andrews over her. There are some feisty smaller midfielders who do well, but I don’t see Lavelle taking down players. She’s fast enough, and tricky, but she’ll get bumped a lot.

          • Breakers fan

            I’m a big Lavelle fan, having seen her in about 5 full games this year.I don’t worry that much about her lack of physical bulk as her role will be to do other things, control the ball, make good passes, pose some offensive threat at times too. She does those things better than Lawrence and Andrews. I’d like to get 2 of the 3 if they go for midfielders with both picks. Lack of size hasn’t seemed to deter Kim Little much so I don’t see that as some kind of fatal dealbreaker in a comparison of 2 players, though I readily acknowledge the advantages Lawrence and Andrews have.

        • mockmook

          Vasconcelos nee Murphy often plays a wide Forward — though, usually on the Right:

          https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7b58284683f2994297505045118fadedbeb8b94025bd1854bd97d4d179453ac0.jpg

          And, does have some Mid chops:

          https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0d785ecae8b2d2c655dfccda794370372a1a3f340e769ebfafa38dc49ec5cf20.jpg

          I targeted her for exactly the purpose of which you speak.

          She has 33 goals and 30 assists at BYU

          • anon

            Is hatch going through wtih the draft? Mormons can’t play games on sundays, no? I have heard she’s not planning on pro play

          • MrTemecula

            That would be a shame. She is a talented scorer. There are many male Mormon professional athletes who play on Sundays.They are, perhaps, not that devout.

          • Steglitz49

            The Brits did not use to play sports on Sundays. Saturday was the big game day. International pressure has forced big sporting events to Sundays. The Empire generally also followed suit favoring the Saturday.

          • mockmook

            Mormons can play on Sundays, but some do feel that their religion is more important than having a job that requires Sunday work.

            I don’t know what Hatch’s plans are.

        • mockmook

          BTW, CRS could take Gibbons at #8 for their LM

          Better pedigree and versatility for Gibbons, I just like something about Vasconcelos more — perhaps it’s a coin flip.

          • Bruce

            If I’m Dames, I’m putting an athletic midfielder with a left foot (Gibbons?) at the top of my list. CRS really struggled last year with DaCosta and Comeau playing there to the point that they couldn’t keep opponents outside backs honest.

            If you were to look at the semifinal match against WAS, I’d bet you find that Krieger spent almost half of the game in her attacking half.

            With CRS window of opportunity likely closing (Press won’t stay forever), I wouldn’t be surprised if Mautz, Walls, Naughton, Huerta and/or McCaffrey were put on the treading block to help address that need.

          • Bruce

            I’d actually add JJ to that list. Her trade stock will never be higher.

          • anon

            JJ to Sky Blue … doesn’t she live in Philly/Jersey with Ertz when she’s not in Chicago? She trains with Lloyd.

          • Guest

            trade her for O’Hara.

          • Bruce

            in a second. Two good years of O’Hara >> the rest of JJs career.

          • anon

            SB Isn’t going to want that trade unless JJ requests it.

          • guest

            when are Rampone’s Energizer batteries finally going to run out? their D isn’t that great right now.

          • guestt

            true. i remember the last CRS-SB game and it looked like at times the SB defense was just casually watching Press and McCaffrey jog by them.

          • #1Fan

            i think its ok. Skroski is a good player and will move inside I think.

          • mockmook

            After the Breakers, no one has more potential to improve their roster via the 2017 draft than Sky Blue.

            Projected picks:

            04 . Sky Blue — Lawrence ( M ) – WVU
            10 . Sky Blue — Hatch ( F ) – BYU
            23 . Sky Blue — Kurtz ( D ) – S.Carolina
            24 . Sky Blue — Vasconcelos ( M/F ) – BYU
            30 . Sky Blue — Damaska ( F ) – Georgetown
            34 . Sky Blue — Prudhomme ( GK ) – USC

            Kurtz should be a viable option at CB if/when Rampone starts fraying.

            I can see 3 or 4 of those ending up as starters by the season’s end:

            http://drawformation.com/post/584ab48b5aa04/sm-584ab48b5aa04.png

          • Steglitz49

            If Lawrence is picked by SB, could this act as a stimulus to seek a foreign team for the next couple of years?

          • anon

            I would if I were her. She’s a great player who could have a pick of European teams. Why live in a guest home in central New Jersey as a young person when you can go abroad for awhile?

          • Steglitz49

            There is a lot of activity in Europe in the transfer market just now so if she has not aksed her agent to act for her, she may miss out unless she prefers a middling good team where she can show off her skills.

            Maybe she can persuade the CSA to pay her allocation money into an account in Canada.

          • mockmook

            Well, if you get Gibbons (which you should be able to), most of that LM personnel problem is solved.

            BTW, I think it was mostly DiBernardo and Comeau at LM in 2016 (not sure if Da Costa even played LM in 2016).

            Dames might want to reconsider the 4-4-2 Diamond as well:

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4c3251289fe21c347e1ead749ba0b4dc4f43e895a4b72924328439f51430a107.png

            Speculation: Based on what Gilliland is doing in Australia, I wonder if Dames is contemplating Gilliland at DM and moving Colaprico up.

          • Steglitz49

            A curiosity, it seems as if you have not made the WNT before you got to Chicago, it looks like you never might.

          • Bruce

            DiBernardo played left flank only because the other match-ups on that side were so unfavorable to the Red Stars. Dames has said as much. Playing her there forced Press to drop deep as a hybrid CAM and field a less effective center forward like Walls. It’s a domino effect that started with Comeau and DaCosta (when she was healthy).

            I would hate to see Gilliland move the midfield. Her decision making and passing make her a turnover machine, IMHO.

            Colaprico is playing the #10 for Adelaide on the W-League, but I’ve only been able to find one game online to watch so far. She didn’t really impress me.

            I’m hoping that CRS sticks with the diamond midfield. All that they really need is a semi-skilled LM that can bring the work-rate that matches Huerta on the right to win most possession battles. Give me a spine of Colaprico-DiBernardo-Press in that alignment and I’ll take my chances against anyone.

          • Steglitz49

            I put it to you that many of these players from the northern hemisphere may view winter in Aus as paid summer frolicking.

          • Steglitz49

            Is the quality in Australia all it is cranked up to be?

            Playing in Aus at this time of the year sounds like being paid for frolicking in the sun, maybe even get laid in your time off, certainly be on the beach.

            Let’s wait and see which Americans, Canadians and Mexicans play in Europe in 2017. There is a lot of buying going on over there but it is all within Europe transfers, with the possible exception of Alexandra the Great.

          • Bruce

            I’ve watched 5 or 6 matches this season and would say that while it doesn’t reach the level of play of the NWSL for the most part, there are some teams that I think would be competitive in the US (mainly Melbourne City).

            The Fox Sports Australia site has full match replays that are – I believe – available for view around the world. Link follow…

            http://www.foxsports.com.au/video/football/w-league

          • Steglitz49

            Melbourne City is a subsidiary of Man City. If Man City sets up shop in the NWSL, it may change the NWSL beyond recognition.

        • Breakers fan

          West Coast Conference Player of the Year – ahead of Hatch, which surprised me, more at first than when I heard the goal and assist totals from Vasconcelos (16 and 13, while Hatch’s were 19 and 6). Speculation that Hatch won’t play pro due to her religious beliefs is new to me and of course if true would represent big news – one of the absolute top forwards in college and the only college player that the NT brought in during its last camp,(though Jordan refused the invitation she received) may just completely stop playing. If her religious beliefs aren’t so devout and she is willing to play games on Sundays – which I predict is more likely, though purely a guess – I think Hatch will go in the first round. I think she’s good enough.

          But you asked about Vasconcelos…. I saw her play about 4 games. She’s kind of the consummate hard-working, good-but-not-great athlete type with smarts, very good but not exceptional speed, solid skills and a good team attitude. She’s not going to light the world on fire but I think she’ll be a good addition to an NWSL team, one who will likely be a starter, if not immediately, then eventually. That’s a guess – she could go either other way – be better than I’m projecting, or not as good. She has been mostly a right side of the field player, so ideally you would want a left-footer, I think, though that isn’t necessarily requisite. I could see her fitting in well with the Red Stars – another good, smart player willing to do whatever for the team, ala Colaprico.

          • Steglitz49

            Any team intending to sign Hatch must ask her about her attitude towards playing on certain days. It is that simple.

          • Breakers fan

            Yes, and there is no question that, if it isn’t already, by draft day knowledge of Hatch’s stance on this issue will be known loudly and clearly.

          • xanthophobe

            Lindsi Cutshall came from BYU and went pro–not sure if she is less religious than Hatch but it’s not unprecedented for BYU players to go pro.

          • Breakers fan

            Good to know, thank you – so it is not unprecedented. With national team possibilities I’d be pretty shocked if Hatch gave up the game, but I also know that some people take their religion quite seriously.

          • mockmook

            It would have been very selfish of Hatch to take a USWNT roster spot while knowing she was going to quit the sport.

            I think that is a sign that she is not ready to quit.

          • Breakers fan

            Agree absolutely; that thought crossed my mind too in sort of different terms. I thought of it as “She knows the WNT plays on Sundays sometimes, so if she’s not prepared to do that, why even accept this camp invitation?”

          • atalba

            I like Vasconcelos. She’s got enough speed, heart and fight. She’s used to a fast pace game, making good decisions on moving the ball into the box.

          • Bruce

            Thanks for this. Very insightful…

    • Steglitz49

      One might think that there is a risk with the top Canadians Lawrence and Buchanan, that a rich club in Europe will offer them a good deal, in which case you have wasted draft picks.

    • Breakers fan

      Thanks for getting those players in there. 🙂 Payne … whoa …jumping over 20 spots from undrafted to joining the fearsome forward ranks of the Flash. And Annie Alvarado, UCLA captain, jumping over the entire 4th round to join the Spirit at pick #29. One thing I wanted to say to you about Driesse: While I was looking for video of her on youtube one that popped up was a full-game video of the Spirit scrimmaging Penn State last March, Did you know this event happened? Point being, Washington on that day got an up close and personal look at Driesse…..so if she had a good day I could see them targeting her. Jenkins dropped out completely while I personally might take her with the #1 pick. Some, a lot of that decision will depend on her recovery from the broken leg bone. (just sayin’, because I think you want my reaction). Lachowecki — utterly unknown to me but excited to try and find footage of her now. Did you watch her play at all?
      I should also look into Arkanasas’ Kelly as you have her going to the Breakers. I don’t know Beal of Minnesota either. Doesn’t Depaul have a very good Senior? You know how the Red Stars often take a local product or two… As do the Breakers, thus my belief they might go after Meehan and Andrews. You’re the only guy doing these mock drafts so far, so many thanks for the efforts! I don’t mean to lodge only objections. You do a lot more thinking about positional need than I do for all the teams. I tend to focus on my local team and who I think are individually the best players.

      • mockmook

        Lachowecki is intriguing. Can play on all three lines. ACC First Team this year. I saw her play a little — but honestly don’t remember much about it beyond a favorable impression.

        Liked what I saw from Kelley. She’s big, but coordinated. 5’10” — and versatile.

        My picks are a hybrid of what I think teams need and who I think they will pick (luckily, those two often coincide).

        But, I should look more at the local angle — as you say, teams often choose that way (especially in the later picks).

        Anyway, I’m sorry to say I couldn’t stop, so below is Ver 6.0 — I do think I’m getting more realistic as I go on — Andrews moves up!! 🙂

        I’ve dropped Donaldson, Lachowecki, and Payne.

        I’ve added Marie Johnston (Va Tech), Raben (Duke), and Erin Smith (Rutgers).

        Johnston is also intriguing: OB, fast (track speed) — like what I saw of her.
        http://www.hokiesports.com/wsoccer/players/johnston_marie.html

        First Round

        01 . Breakers — Jordan ( F ) – Florida
        02 . Flash — Buchanan ( D ) – WVU
        03 . Breakers — Lavelle ( M ) – Wisconsin
        04 . Sky Blue — Lawrence ( M ) – WVU
        05 . FCKC — Mills ( D/M ) – USC
        06 . Reign — Freeman ( D/M ) – USC
        07 . Flash — Andrews ( M ) – USC
        08 . Red Stars — Gibbons ( D/M ) – Duke
        09 . Breakers — Campbell ( GK ) – Stanford
        10 . Sky Blue — Hatch ( F ) – BYU

        Second Round

        11 . Breakers — Driesse ( M ) – PSU
        12 . Breakers — Dougherty Howard ( M ) – Florida
        13 . FCKC — Fletcher ( M ) – Cal
        14 . Thorns — Kolander ( F ) – Minnesota
        15 . Dash — Paul ( D ) – Georgetown
        16 . Breakers — Bauer ( D ) – Stanford
        17 . FCKC — Proffitt ( D/M ) – Marquette
        18 . Flash — Smith, E ( D ) – Rutgers
        19 . Spirit — Shaffer ( M ) – Virginia
        20 . Thorns — Crowley ( D ) – FSU

        Third Round

        21 . Breakers — Johnston, M ( D ) – Va Tech
        22 . Pride — Drennan ( M ) – S.Carolina
        23 . Sky Blue — Kurtz ( D ) – S.Carolina
        24 . Sky Blue — Vasconcelos ( M/F ) – BYU
        25 . FCKC — Hill ( F ) – UConn
        26 . Reign — Ramsier, C ( M ) – Auburn
        27 . Thorns — Cephers ( M ) – Va Tech
        28 . Red Stars — Castleberry ( M ) – UNC
        29 . Spirit — Alvarado ( M ) – UCLA
        30 . Sky Blue — Damaska ( F ) – Georgetown

        Fourth Round

        31 . Breakers — Raben ( D ) – Duke
        32 . Pride — Ship ( F ) – Cal
        33 . Dash — Amack ( D ) – Stanford
        34 . Sky Blue — Prudhomme ( GK ) – USC
        35 . FCKC — Watson ( GK ) – TTU
        36 . Spirit — McNabb ( D ) – Virginia
        37 . Red Stars — Ribeiro ( F ) – UConn
        38 . Red Stars — Beal ( D ) – Minnesota
        39 . Red Stars — Boyles ( M ) – UNC
        40 . Thorns — Kelley ( M ) – Arkansas

        • Steglitz49

          Andrews is now in a more reasonable spot. Good.

          I still can’t see Lavelle above Lawrence. Indeed, I could see Lawrence being picked as #1. — Against Lawrence, Buchanan and possibly also Jordan is that they may go and play in Europe even if they don’t get top dollar, iow wasted picks.

          Ramsier has climbed bu Vasconcelos dropped like stone. Hmmm?

          • mockmook

            “iow wasted picks”

            I can only go with the info I currently have — which is nothing (officially).

            Of course the people doing the draft will already know (or have a good feel for) whether the players will stay.

            “Vasconcelos dropped like stone”

            Once a player misses being picked by the team she is “destined” for, then the next team that requires/wants her skill set may be many picks away.

          • Steglitz49

            Fair enough. Points well taken.

        • Breakers fan

          This one does strike me as closer to what will happen. Do you plan to watch the men’s NCAA semis tonight? Both on espnu – around 6 and 8:30.

          • mockmook

            I haven’t planned on watching the NCAA’s tonight — I haven’t watched any of the season, so I know nothing about the players or the teams.

            BTW, I appreciate all the feedback that you have given me on my “mock” picks — sorry that I keep moving some of your favorites in and out of the draft 🙂

          • Breakers fan

            Thanks, keep on doing updates on your mock drafts if the spirit moves. I am hearing about players new to me through them and it’s always interesting to see how fans rank the college players in relation to what specific NWSL teams may choose first in terms of position.

            I recommend, if you have the time and at least some desire, to check out the men’s semis. Great, electric atmosphere will be happening and you can see the level of play in America on the men’s side at that age level. I’ve watched more men’s college soccer this year than any other year and have enjoyed it and genuinely been very impressed with it. I’ve had the thought: “Ok, let’s see the USMNT play this Stanford team” – that kind of thing.

      • Bruce

        I like what I’ve seen from Toni Payne. I would think that people tend to discount her because of her height (listed at 5’4”, looks closer to 5’2”), but she can flat out play. Wouldn’t be at all surprised to see her selected in the 2nd round.

        • Breakers fan

          Yeah, I agree, but with some questions in my mind about her – Payne. Elite speed and quickness – a great, quite valuable commodity in a forward. But then I would wonder how good her ball control and passing skills are, what is her soccer IQ like….these aren’t criticisms, they’re just, for now, questions I still have about her, like I would about any player I haven’t seen all that much.

          • #1Fan

            On Payne – I would be interested to see how she plays when not on a dominant team. I would say plus speed, not elite and questionable decision making at times pass vs take on vs shoot. As a winger, size not an issue to me. Have to be careful assessing some of these kids who are consistently on the better team and see a lot of the ball.

          • Breakers fan

            Yes, as I wrote, like you I’m not sold 100% yet about Payne as a complete player, but I’m not unsold either. Need more time, more observation and you’re right to ask “how would she do on an average team?” Interesting that you describe her speed as “plus”, not “elite” –wondering if you mean relative to other forwards or relative to all runners, e.g. including track sprinters? I admit that my use of the word “elite” was a bit on the casual, not-completely-informed side.

          • #1Fan

            I believe elite would mean track speed, yes. Plus would be a bit below that. I like Payne, Im just trying to think of all the angles. Duke possession based style, with other similar players is pretty unique.

          • Breakers fan

            I want you to consider all the angles and I want to be corrected when I’m wrong. What fun is it to not learn? No fun, so thanks and please keep doing that about anything. Question about something you just wrote: Do you think that Payne be even more effective on a less-possession style team than Duke (West Virginia comes to mind), one in which there is more space for her speed to be a factor, more long balls, faster quicker attacks mounted?

          • mockmook

            “”how would she do on an average team?”

            This is the unanswerable question about all of these draft picks — IOW, how will they do when every game they are opposed by players all over the field who are as good or better than they are?

          • Breakers fan

            Correct. Well-put. And, to my way of thinking, this is where ( a year or two down the line after the draft) one sees who *really*, among NWSL teams, is best at scouting players, at evaluating their “ultimate” abilities. Call it “deep scouting”.

    • mkanderson

      Amack is leaning towards taking her 5th year at Stanford. She had a knee injury in August and redshirted the past season.

      • mockmook

        Ahhh, thanks for that.

        They never announced anything about her condition — and, I suppose she had to wait on getting her redshirt approved.

  • Rdalford

    re: “This is a brand restatement,” North Carolina FC Owner Steve Malik said. “We aspire to be at the top level of both men’s and women’s professional soccer, so we are pursuing MLS and NWSL bids as well as a new stadium. … Malik announced his intent to be awarded an MLS franchise “within the next 12-18 months,”

    appreciate the ambition and intent but ???
    – current Carolina men’s team only draws 5K in attendance and marketing study or not little evidence that North Carolina FC could/would draw 20K attendance
    – location, funding etc for new stadium not yet announced and from practical standpoint unlikely new stadium constructed within the 12-18 months time framework
    – backing by Dorrance, HAO and any of the many other UNC woso alums would be a positive for potential NWSL team,
    but currently all of this is just announcements and owners wish list

    Have to think that if any of the MLS teams who control their own stadiums choose to make an actual bid for new NWSL team, that the MLS team would have much stronger case and much higher chance of establishing a successful NWSL team

    If MLS team (teams) want to establish NWSL teams, then I think NWSL would choose to grant NWSL expansion teams to the MLS owners.

    • Steglitz49

      Beggars can’t be choosers. Which MLS-teams have applied? With no significant matched for the USWNT during the next 2 seasons, this would seem a good time to expand the NWSL.

    • Bruce

      Announcing first division aspirations in bot woso and broso the same day your league likely goes under smells of desperation. Got to think they are winging this and don’t have a PR rep/firm.

      • Steglitz49

        It is worth a flutter, i would say.

        Attendances in Chicago and NJ are not exactly through the roof. They are growing in Boston it seems.

      • Lorehead

        Making plans to join a new league seems like a wise move, then. It’s good that the NWSL is apparently in the position of having several attractive bids to choose from. Raleigh should be a great place to put a WoSo team, and Orlando starting a NWSL team the same year it got promoted to MLS worked out well.

        • Bruce

          It is their only move.

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  • My2cents

    I can see it as a way for Paulsen to get more MLS clubs on board.

  • Steglitz49

    The comment strings on this topic demonstrate why WoSo can’t succeed in the market place. Sad but reality.

    • Ando91881

      What kind of comments are you expecting/hoping for that have not been said in other topic threads on The Equalizer?

      • Steglitz49

        Something about WoSo would not come amiss.

        WoSo fans have no focus and waste their energies on all sort of fringe activities that do not benefit women let alone WoSo.

        • mockmook

          Please list the activities we should be engaged in every day (type and time/effort/monetary expenditure).

          Also, a list of what types of articles we should comment on, and the correct quantity of comments.

          Oh, and, give us your scorecard on how you are doing.

          • Steglitz49

            At the moment I contend that I am ahead of the curve because I have spent the last umpteen comments on asking all sorts of lowlives, bottom-feeders and snide individuals to register themselves so we can keep an eye on them.

            I am also tired of all these commentators that focus on stuff that does not matter to women and certainly not to WoSo. This lack of focus is bizarre.

            As for those still upset at DJT’s victory, one sympathizes with them but griping about ain’t gonna change anything. Instead pressure needs to be put on the President-elect not least when he is the President to have Ronald Reagan as his lodestar in stead of W or Strom Thurmond.

          • Steg Patrol

            You registered yourself, and we keep an eye on you.

          • HOFCToDi

            No one cares for 60,000 posts of pure rubbish.

          • Steglitz49

            You are never out there when bottom-feeders and other lowlife make slurs on women players, not least named players. Iow you are a humbug.

          • HOFCToDi

            Steglitz49 has been banned from European websites for his sexist, misogynist comments.

          • Steg Watch

            The recent one about grannies stepping over condoms was both weird and sadly typical of this individual. I see most people don’t comment on anything he writes, meaning he’s been blocked.

          • HOFCToDi

            The end is nigh for the useless Swedish troll.

          • HOFCToDi

            By the way, Sweden is a shit-hole.

          • Steglitz49

            You never step up and defend WoSo players against the slurs thrown at them, not least when the ladies are named.

            You could start by registering yourself so we can follow your comments.

          • HOFCToDi

            Steglitz49 has been told repeatedly to post the 2016 Algarve Cup attendance figures.

            European WoSo is hapless.

            2016/2017 Season
            Frauen Bundesliga Attendance
            Average – 957

            worldfootball.net/attendance/frauen-bundesliga-2016-2017/1/

            2015/2016 Season
            Frauen Bundesliga Attendance
            Average – 1,076

            worldfootball.net/attendance/frauen-bundesliga-2015-2016/1/

  • Steglitz49

    Meanwhile on the other side of the Pond:

    England will face Norway, ranked #11, on Sunday 22 January in La Manga, and 6th-ranked Sweden on Tuesday 24 January.

    England defeated Norway 2-1 in the last 16 of the 2015 World Cup. They finished 3rd. England last faced Sweden in Hartlepool in August 2014 when the Lionesses won 4-0. Since then, Sweden have taken OG silver, losing to Germany on an own goal.

  • Steglitz49

    Chelsea have signed Ramona Bachmann from Wolfsburg.

    This may open up for Pernille Harder to join the Shewolves from Linköping.

    Chelsea Ladies say that the 25-year-old forward has agreed a deal until 2019. Ramona played a key role as Wolfsburg reached the 2016 UEFA Women’s Champions League final with Chelsea one of the sides they beat on the way.

  • guest

    My prediction: Lavelle and Jordan are NWSL busts (Ellis already doesn’t rate Lavelle, apparently). 2017 is the year of Morgan Andrews.

    • sam

      Isn’t Jordan going to Europe, allegedly?

      • Steglitz49

        Which club?

        Chelsea Ladies have acquired Maren Mjelde and Ramona Bachmann. It clears the way for Pernille Harder to join the Shewolves. About a week ago Bayern bought Fridolina Rolfö and we are waiting to see where Stina Blackstenius might land.

        • Guest

          I had heard mumblings of PSG

          • Steglitz49

            Thank you. It would be a great club for her.

          • anon

            I think she needs to develop her game and technical proficiency more, so hopefully a different style will help her. I hope she goes to Europe, in all honesty.

          • Steglitz49

            There are probably only about 10 EU clubs that can pay a reasonable salary. If she was willing to play for $25-30k, then there are more. Patrice Lair, PSG’s coach, is one of the best and they can pay top dollar but I suspect he may prefer to buy Blackstenius.

  • guest

    Curious to see what happens this upcoming draft now that the NWSL is making it into its fourth season. For a lot of these ladies who have promising career options and a small chance at the national team (basically all except for a handful) why would they even bother with the NWSL and its terrible salary, benefits and in some cases (cough Sky Blue) awful locations for a young person to live.

    • Steglitz49

      If they do not play in the NWSL, where would they play for money?

      • guest

        europe if they are good enough and passionate enough to want to play… or just do something else. get a corporate job, go to med school, etc

        • Steglitz49

          Something else sounds more probable.

    • guesting

      Most of the NWSL draftees probably don’t have much better post-collegiate options, to be true. Plus you can always play in the NWSL and go to biz-school or grad school later on. See Hope Solo’s predecessor and former understudy of Scurry – Kristin Luckenbill, a fellow alum of my university 😉

      • Go

        Big Green 🙂

    • Breakers fan

      They do it primarily because they love playing soccer, don’t want to give it up yet, want to fulfill a dream of being a pro player and want to see how they match up against the other best players. They do it for the whole experience and don’t worry that much about the pay. Youth is the time to do it and some choose to. They figure they have enough time to pursue another more serious, sedentary career.

      • Steglitz49

        If that is the case, I am surprised that not more do not go abroad and play. Good seniors would be starters on many (though not all) clubs in Europe and Japan.

        In short: have boots, will travel — for a crust of bread and a rind of cheese and a place to rest my head as long as the culture is good.

    • another guest

      for what it is worth, 2017 will be fifth season for NWSL.

      Only 200 roster spots (10 teams X 20 player roster limit) in the NWSL and approx 80 of those spots (40 international player slots and between USA and Canada 30-40 players allocated) filled by allocated and/or international players. Leaves only 120 or so roster spots for existing NWSL players and 40 newly drafted players each year. Even in spite of low pay etc, competition for the relatively few NWSL roster spots is fairly strong.

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  • Steglitz49

    Chelsea Ladies continue their spending spree and acquisitions. They have further bolstered their squad this week by signing exciting teenage midfielder Erin Cuthbert from Glasgow City. She is 18.

    Cuthbert has enjoyed a remarkable 2016. After joining Glasgow City she went on to be the club’s top goal scorer and was named Player of the Year en route to collecting a Scottish Women’s Premier League winners’ medal. She has played twice for Scotland.

  • Bruce

    As of today (Dec 8), four of the twelve NASL teams from the 2016 season have folded: Minnesota United, Tampa Bay Rowdies, NY Cosmos and Ottawa Fury. It seems likely that the NASL will not make it to 2017.

    • Steglitz49

      Hardly something to rejoice over.

    • Lorehead

      By “folded,” you seem to mean moving to MLS or USL?

      • Bruce

        Poor choice of word on my behalf. The Cosmos have ceased operations. The others have moved up to the MSL (1) or down to the USL (2).

        It seems that both Ft. Lauderdale and Oklahoma City are also on the verge of insolvency.

        • Steglitz49

          MLS matches are well attended and have decent economies by and large. Why not NASL?

          • Lorehead

            It’s a new second-division league that has no recognizable players and has an antagonistic relationship with the first division and the national federation.

          • HOFCToDi

            Steglitz49 is a stupid Swedish troll.

          • Lorehead

            Complaining to me about him makes no sense.

          • HOFCToDi

            Listen to the podcast as opposed to dealing with incessant Swedish stupidity.

          • Lorehead

            Your social-media feud with him has nothing to do with me. Please leave me out of it.

          • HOFCToDi

            The podcast was relevant to the subject matter. Steglitz49 is irrelevant to any discussion.

          • Steglitz49

            The difference between you and Lorehead speaks to your advantage because you neither block commentators nor do you declare yourself as private.

            We are on the same side — as you ken well.

          • Steglitz49

            Very little he does makes any sense though when he is lucid he is quite perceptive.

          • HOFCToDi

            US Soccer pyramid is heavily skewed towards MLS and USL.

            en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_soccer_league_system

          • HOFCToDi

            soundcloud.com/planet-futbol/brian-straus-sports-illustrated

            24:35

            As opposed to planet dumbass, which is Steglitz49’s world.

          • Tikitaka

            Case in point why promotion and relegation will not work in the US. Spectators do not care enough about second division leagues.

          • Steglitz49

            Fair enough.

      • HOFCToDi

        NASL is doomed.

  • Rdalford

    other NWSL news, FCKC GM Huw Williams has resigned.

    “KANSAS CITY (Dec 8, 2016) – FC Kansas City announced this afternoon that Huw Williams has resigned as the General Manager. Williams, a part of the team since the inaugural season is leaving to focus on his other business opportunities, including GSI Sports, a sports management and travel services company with ties to soccer camps and tournaments across the country.”

    more detail in full article on FCKC site

    • CED

      The cities saying they want a NWSL team might end up buying KCFC over expansion. I could easily see KCFC sold during 2017, relocated for 2018 with 2 expansion teams and by personal wish Sky Blue sold to NYCFC . 2018 could be a big year, 2 sales and 2 expansion teams. All would better the league. Get rid of 2 suspect ownership groups and expansion into CA.

      • Steglitz49

        As far as I know, SB’s owners have shown no interest in wanting to sell. I could see them coming to some arrangement with either Man City or Barcelona, even playing them off against each other for the best deal.

        KC’s owners have been reported to want to sell. It is hard to see the Chief Ideologist of the NWSL allowing a buyer to move the franchise. Whether either Man City or Barcelona would be interested in acquiring KC is a different question. After all, KC has a great reputation so unless they can restore their fortunes over night it is probably a poisoned chalice.

  • John

    During the WUSA days, the Carolina Courage were drawing 5000 on average to what is now WakeMed. That’s twice what some of the teams in the NWSL are drawing now. They had the likes of Carla Overbeck, Tiffany Roberts and Birgit Prinz playing for them then.

    If you put a number of Tar Heels alumni in a new Carolina team, you’d draw well. As for the MLS approach? If NCFC entered the MLS they’d draw well. The higher level of competition and bigger stars would draw interest in the Triangle where there are a number of strong soccer programs, a population of over 2 million and only one competing professional sports franchise which is the local NHL team that haven’t done much recently.

    If they go to Charlotte, they’d be competing with the Hornets and the Panthers.

    • Steglitz49

      Is Club WoSo migrating to Europe?

      Will WC-19 change the WoSo world as we know it?

      • John

        Not enough money in the game in Europe at the moment – apart from 8-10 teams that is. Competition is diluted in France – only 2 teams in it. It’s happening in the UK as well with Chelsea and Man City.

        • Steglitz49

          If you believe that, you believe anything.

          The Chief Ideologist of the NWSL had better make it worth Alex Morgan’s while to stay stateside.

        • Steglitz49

          The current German League stands as follows (games/pts):
          — Potsdam 9 / 24 — Bayern Munich 10 / 22 — Essen 9 / 20 — Freiburg 10 / 20 — Wolfsburg 9 / 20
          — The German League is not so uneven.

          As for money, it depends where you draw the line but I think you would be surprised by how little European women players expect to earn and how much the clubs and the FAs are willing to chip in with.