US Soccer reveals Player of the Year nominees

The Equalizer Staff December 5, 2016 738
The nominees for 2016 U.S. Soccer Female Athlete of the Year (photo: U.S. Soccer)

The nominees for 2016 U.S. Soccer Female Athlete of the Year (photo: U.S. Soccer)

FIFA World Player of the Year finalist Carli Lloyd was among five nominees named Monday by U.S. Soccer for the Female Player of the Year award. Lloyd has already won the award twice including last year. She also took down the honor in 2008. The only other former winner nominated was Alex Morgan who won for her 20-goal, 20-assist season of 2012. The other nominees are Crystal Dunn, Tobin Heath, and Becky Sauerbrunn.

Lloyd and Morgan scored 17 goals between them and combined for three hat tricks. Morgan scored key goals in two of the SheBelieves Cup matches and two more in the Olympics including the equalizer against Sweden. Lloyd scored in the first two Olympic matches.

Dunn tied a team record in February when she buried five goals against Puerto Rico during Olympic qualifying. She scored 14 goals in all including one against Colombia in group play in Rio.

Heath excelled as a creative midfield player and continued to send in deadly free kicks on a regular basis. Sauerbrunn continued as the defensive anchor.

The five nominees for Young Female Player of the Year are: Emily Ogle, Kaleigh Riehl, Karina Rodriguez, Ashley Sanchez, and Andi Sullivan. Last year’s winner Mallory Pugh, who spent much of the year with the full national team, is not eligible to win the award two years in a row.

If Heath wins Player of the Year she will join Lauren Cheney/Holiday as the only players to win Young Female Player of the Year and Female Player of the Year.

The winners will be announced Sunday, December 11 on ESPN FC.

  • Rdalford

    voting process for these us soccer player of the year awards
    text from us soccer announcement
    “A new voting process was put in place starting in 2014. Votes will be collected from National Team coaches and staff, WNT players who have earned a cap in 2016, members of the U.S. Soccer Board of Directors, U.S. Soccer’s Athlete Council, National Women’s Soccer League coaches, select college head coaches and select media members.”

    • DNG

      Do you by any chance know who picked these 5 finalists?

      • Steglitz49

        Sepp Blatter? Donald Trump? Vladimir Putin? Judge Alito?

      • Rdalford

        no I do not know who picked the 5 finalists
        also do not know who determines the “… select college head coaches and select media members”

    • Steglitz49

      Funny how the allegedly corrupt FIFA has introduced voting by the great unwashed, which advantages the big countries while handicapping the small, but in the good ol’ US of A, home of democracy, the people get no say.

      Funny that.

      • tonysocref

        Nor do the 115-125 US players (Non-capped) currently on NWSL rosters.

      • guest

        Agree that player selection should be more open and democratic. I’d widen the pool and create three squads: red, white and blue, and rotate the players through each squad to control for teammate quality. Points would be awarded for goals, passes completed, etc, and points deducted for fouls, etc. Fans and the so-called experts could also have a vote, with points awarded proportionately (think electoral college). Players with the most points would play in the final. Call it the “Budweiser Challenge” or something.

        • Steglitz49

          The curent version is more like Victoria’s Secret.

  • kernel_thai

    If Heath doesnt win they need to throw out the electoral college and use the popular vote : )

    • Steglitz49

      Why are they not using the popular vote already? As I noted elsewhere, FIFA has already started with it.

      Granted, some sort of electoral college system might need to be applied lest CA, TX, NY and FL dominate.

  • Steglitz49

    All 5 played in the Bomb in Brasilia. Can they honestly be nominated for player of the year?

    It was not like they lost in the final or in the semifinal. They bombed out against a team that a week ago had suffered its greatest defeat in its history and who squeezed through by the skin of their collective teeth.

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    • By the Shore

      Lloyd, Morgan and Dunn had a total of 31 goals of which only 6 were that important including 5 in Olympics and Loyld’s winning (and team only goal) vs. Mexico in qualifying .

      • Steglitz49

        No kidding. Look beyond the propaganda. Being economical with the actuality, springs to mind.

    • By the Shore

      “All five players played prominent roles in the USA’s 2016 calendar year, which included winning the inaugural SheBelieves Cup and finishing with a 22-0-3 overall record. It marked only the third time that the WNT has finished a year unbeaten in regulation time when it has played 10 or more matches. “

      • Steglitz49

        No kidding. Drink the propaganda and believe.

  • john

    Ot, but in news that might matter more Mexico has announced a women’s league.

    • Steglitz49

      It is a U23 league according to Rdalford.

      The Mexican league clubs have announced a U-23 Women’s League — also reported by ESPN FC (and elsewhere) —

      The 18 Liga MX clubs have agreed to start a U-23 women’s league to strengthen the game in Mexico. Each squad to have 21 players, with the age limit U-23 but 4 players U-17 category must be included, and 2 players over the age limit will also be allowed.

      Foreign players not allowed but Mexico-U.S. dual nationals are.

      Mexico is one of the 3 founders of the NWSL — the other 2 are Canada and the US — not that you would notice.

      • Bruce

        Articles in Mexican outlets are a bit contradictory on season schedules, but this much seems clear:

        1. Each men’s club in the first division *must* field a team.

        2. Mexican nationals and dual nationals are eligible.No internationals during the first season.

        3. Kickoff tournament in April-May

        4. First season to run September to May. It’s not clear if a summer season will also be run in 2018.

        Given conflicts with the NCAA season. I would guess that Mexican-American participation would be limited to recent grads and the rare footballer who foregoes college altogether.

        Kudos to Mexico for stepping up. These clubs should immediately give young players access to better development opportunities, coaching and facilities than most of the NWSL. It’s only a matter of time until the MLS effectively takes over American WoSo. Mexico now in the lead.

    • Gary Diver

      Doesn’t Mexico already have a WoSo league? Mexican Super League [Super Liga Femenil de Fútbol] was created in 2007. What is it’s current status?

  • ABCDE

    Dunn had a nice debut. Heath is my personal pick, though.

    • Bill

      I would like to see Heath win as well if for no other reason than to send another message that teamwork, well rounded play and smart selfless play matters not just scoring with a side dish of self centered freelancing obtuseness

  • Guest

    cue the slew of “why isn’t christen press on this list”

    • guest

      I don’t see a single comment saying that, but nice try with stirring the pot. As always, totally baffled by the insane amount of Press hate out there. I’m a huge Press fan for her technical play and clinical finishing, but I don’t think she had a year that warrants POTY. Dunn or Tobin would be my pick.

      • another guest

        There are literally two trolls that post here that don’t like her. Everyone else loves press on this site. So yeah you are making things up.

        • Steglitz49

          Trollolololol! How droll.

    • anon

      I have seen a lot of people wondering that elsewhere but anyone who thinks Press should be on this list has short term memory.

  • Steglitz49

    They could have nominated Alyssa Naeher.

  • guest

    For a moment, I thought the title read “New Kits Revealed”. So disappointed.

  • #1Fan

    More participation trophies. WoSo fast becoming a joke. Dont think I have read many comments this year lauding Sauebrunns play. in fact quite the opposite. The youth ones are even funnier. At the youth level we just do not need all these awards.They serve no purpose.

    • annie

      So who would you have on this list, exactly? Strictly looking at national team performance over this year I am ok with these choices.

      • guest

        This guy has a major hate-on for Morgan, Dunn and Lloyd. He is fast approaching Steg levels of troll.

        • #1Fan

          its great how in WoSo personal player opinions are cartegorized as love or hate. Every player has good qualities and bad ones. It must be something about the female of the species that causes fans to consider analyzing them expressions of love or hate.

          • guest

            Love, hate, and meh would cover it.

          • Steglitz49

            meh?

          • guest

            No opinion, neither love nor hate.

        • Steglitz49

          Please do not take S49 in vain. S/he adds value by challenging myths and prejudice.

      • guest

        I don’t think Lloyd or Sauerbrunn had good years but I don’t know who I would put in their place, either.

        • Ethan

          If Pugh had played in the post-Olympic friendlies, she’d have been one of the five nominees for me.

          • DNG

            If you think that her performance in the Olympic qualifiers and Olympics was enough I don’t see anything wrong with picking her even though she missed those friendlies. 3 of the 4 teams weren’t competitive at all.

          • Ethan

            I understand your point, but I just feel weird giving the award to a player who missed a number of the available games. (Pugh also didn’t play in the second Japan match.)

          • DNG

            A bunch of players missed a few games. If Pugh had been undoubtedly been the best playat the Olympics and qualifying do you think missing some friendlies should disqualify her? I wouldn’t put her in here because I don’t think she was one of the 5 best players this year missed friendlies or no. 5 is too many nominations as well. I think they should have 3

      • #1Fan

        i think we give out far too many “awards” in WoSo for no real purpose

        • Steglitz49

          Though I am not a fan of these awards by the good and the great, preferring the opinion of the great unwashed, I understand why they exist. All nations seem to have them in some form or other.

          My critcism in this case is given their abject failre in Brasilia, the nominations should have included at least some players who did not contribute to that humiliation.

        • ABCDE

          Fair enough. No need for 5 nominees. Dunn and Heath, and arguably Morgan were pretty good this year. None of the others should be up there.

          • Steglitz49

            That is the Swedish model: 3 nominations. Oth, the US is 30x Swe so should there be 90 nominees? Maybe 150 — 3 from each state in the Union.

        • Guest

          Someone could make that argument for too many awards in Men’s Soccer as well. England has U21, U23 and youth player of the year awards for example in addition to a player of the year award for both men and women. If you have an issue with the nominees fine but I don’t see the award itself as too much a deviation from the norm.

          • #1Fan

            but they dont have all state all american etc etc etc

          • Guest

            The United States also has 6x the population of England. On some level it makes some sense to regionally sort out those awards since players from different regions hardly get to play against each other outside of college conferences or club showcases.

          • #1Fan

            i just think it plays to the individual focus. Dont care for it. Ranking players continually serves no purpose.

          • Steglitz49

            Marta will always be the greatest.

          • Guest

            I agree with you on the needless constant ranking of players in ridiculously subjective lists like TopDrawer. However, I don’t there’s anything wrong with the USSF giving out a couple of awards for the year. I just wish the awards in general weren’t so statistic based when much of the game can’t be seen through goals and assist numbers.

            The All-State/All-American awards are really deep rooted in american sports culture though so I don’t see those going away anytime soon and I don’t really see them as participation awards either.

          • #1Fan

            the vast majority of those at Youth level are based on coaches doing favors for other coaches in sports like WoSo becasue the overall knowledge is not there to challenge it.

          • Guest

            I’m assuming you’re talking about the All-State and All-American selections here. I don’t know enough about this from personal experience to really comment. If what you say is true I don’t see a lot of immediate solutions.

          • #1Fan

            not much , hence my participation comment.

          • Guest

            Even if what you say is true about the All-American awards, I don’t think it has much impact on the US Senior player of the year award though may have some effect on the young player award. I guess I still don’t really have a problem with the USSF handing out awards to players they feel deserve them though. Everyone else can decide for themselves just how valuable they are.

          • mockmook

            “Ranking players continually serves no purpose.”

            Well, clearly, you have never done a mock draft 😉

          • #1Fan

            Once in a while its ok 🙂 And a mock draft is different. That is more than just idly ranking players who have never seen play and calling it a service

          • Steglitz49

            One for each of the 50 states in the union?

            The Swedes nominate 3 candidates. By analogy, that would mean 90 candidates in the US.

          • Steglitz49

            The Swedes nominate 3 for each category, except that the Diamond-ball has no nominations, just a winner. In 2016 the winners were:

            Diamond-ball: Hedvig Lindahl, Chelsea.
            GK: Hedvig Lindahl.
            Back: Linda Sembrant, Montpellier.
            MF: Marta, Rosengård.
            Forward: Pernille Harder, Linköping.
            MVP: Pernille Harder.
            Coach: Stellan Carlsson, Piteå.
            Rookie: Johanna Rytting Kaneryd, Djurgården.
            Referee: Sara Persson.

      • Steglitz49

        The WNT screwed up when it mattered. Their worst failure in their history. Why give them a prize? Give the innocents the gong instead.

        • #1Fan

          Losing a game on PKs does not negate a year of performance. I dont like the awards as such, but your logic makes no sense at all

          • Steglitz49

            In this case it does.

            During their 16 years of impotence, the USWNT talked up the OG as bigger than the WC. Now the chickens should come home to roost. Instead they are teflon-coated.

            Anyone who watched the Bomb in Brasilia knows how inept the USWNT performance was. They wre rescued by a joke of a ref crew who did not even know the laws of the game let alone apply them.

          • #1Fan

            it is a year long award.

          • Steglitz49

            The next Olympics is in 2020 but at least the WC comes around a year sooner.

            I wonder what would happen next year if Alex and Crystal play in France? Do they make themselves ineligible or is it liberal like for the Swedes?

        • Gary Diver

          So all of 2016 needs to be seen through the lens of the OG16 QF PKs?

          1. PK shootouts are glorified coin tosses and luck plays a big role in the outcome.

          2. In the OG16 QF shootout there was only one great GK save and it was by Hope Solo. (Hedvig Lindahl did not make any great saves in the shootout.) The shootout was not won by Sweden, it was lost by USWNT because of Alex Morgan’s terrible kick (not scoring on the first PK in a shootout usually has disastrous consequences), Christen Press’ field goal, and Jill Ellis’ questionable choices. For some reason Alex Morgan has not been good at PKs during the past two years and the simple fact is that if there had been no Swedish GK in goal, Press still would not have scored with her kick.

          3. Sweden won by 1 PK. If USWNT won by 1 PK, would the whole universe been altered?

          Judging a whole year’s performance on 15 minutes of coin tossing is a bit harsh and a little unfair to the players. None of the other players were responsible for Christen Press’ field goal and they should not be held responsible for it. (Ellis inserting Lloyd ahead of Press in the PK order must have played with Press’ mind. PK is largely a mind game and Press’ mind was not in the game at that point.)

          • guest

            “PK shootouts are glorified coin tosses”
            Don’t know, it seems like the team with momentum often wins these.

          • Steglitz49

            Had the US won, they would have sung the praises of the humble pso, lauding and magnifying it forever and ever!

          • Gary Diver

            I agree that if USWNT had won the QF shootout, it would have greatly changed life for USWNT and posters on this site, but I don’t think it would change many people’s view of PK shootouts as the method to end knock-out phase matches in major tournaments. I would be shocked if people began “lauding and magnifying it forever and ever!” But then again, humans are not always predictable.

          • Steglitz49

            FIFA struggled with the Golden Goal for a dozen year if not a few more. In the end they gave up.

            The pso delivers the goods. The weak ones melt down into a puddle while the strong stand tall. Saki Kumagai and Lisa dahlkvist is in that special hall of fame, with Aya Miyama for example.

          • Steglitz49

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0e37b9a9146ae430060a45bb31749c1aab9f993e6b0a720c2237deabf1d41252.jpg Granted, Japan won the 2011 WC by several penalties and the last round was not even needed.

            It is harsh but it is reality, as was this:

  • anon

    Why is Carli Lloyd being nominated for things this year, exactly? She was invisible during Shiba Leaves Cup. Sat out a decent portion of the year. Scored a couple of goals in the OG but still didn’t play that well. Had a couple of good games at the end of the year against tomato cans.

    • Steglitz49

      Given that she is already one of the top 3 in the FIFA voting, the selection committee may have felt that their hands were tied.

      They should have included a couple of players who did not contribute to the embarrassment in Brasilia.

      • ABCDE

        I wish whoever made up this list left Lloyd off. Would have rightly made FIFA/POTY voters look even stupider.

        • Steglitz49

          Hear hear!

  • Gary Diver

    USWNT players play in three different situations: NWSL, Friendlies, and Tournaments. In 2016 there were two/three tournaments: 2016 Olympics Qualifiers, 2016 Olympics, and (sort of) SBC. How do you weigh these different components?

    Most of USWNT’s matches are Friendlies, but Friendlies are officially considered exhibition matches so they should not count as much as “real tournament matches”. (I believe the main purpose of USWNT Friendlies is to give us something to blog about – definitely more so that player and team development. In 2017 USWNT has nothing but Friendlies.)

    Big Five: Carli Lloyd, Alex Morgan, Crystal Dunn, Tobin Heath, and Becky Sauerbrunn.

    1. Throughout most of 2016, many people were singing the praises of Tobin Heath and suggesting that 2016 was going to be the “Year of Heath”.

    2. Caril Lloyd is just a so-so club player and that needs to be factored in these considerations. Her USWNT play in 2016 blowed hot and cold.

    3. There should be an award for the most improved US player in 2016. Crystal Dunn would be a good choice for that award.

    4. Most people would agree that Becky Sauerbrunn had a poorer 2016 than 2015 and that can’t be good for a player of the year award consideration. She had a few really bad games and either she has lost a step or lost that edge which made her the best in the world in her position.

    5. Alex Morgan’s club play was good, but not stellar. Her USWNT performances included some great goals, but also a lot of running around waiting for the ball to get to her. And her technical play is over-rated as a player.

    All things considered, I believe Tobin Heath is the most deserving nominee for this award.

    • anon

      Lloyd didn’t really play for club at all this year so it’s hard to call her a so-so club player at the moment.

      • Gary Diver

        That should be a strike against her.

      • #1Fan

        yes she did..she played for the highest paid highest profile club in the woso world – the USWNT

    • Steglitz49

      Alyssa Naeher?

      • Bruce

        Worthy of mention

        • Steglitz49

          Where are all Alyssa’s supporters and fans?

    • Ethan

      Morgan’s technical play is overrated? Her technical play is heavily criticized on this site. I’m one of only a few commenters, if not the only one, who gives her anything resembling substantial credit for her playmaking ability and non-speed related play. Even though I disagree, you can think Morgan’s technical play isn’t great, but saying it’s overrated is just incorrect. Maybe if you had said her technical play is overrated by a select few posters on this site, you’d be more accurate.

      • Gary Diver

        I agree that I should have chosen my words more carefully and more accurately.

        • DNG

          Like bruce said. If you were talking about the woso viewer population i think your wording is fine. The vocal portion of eq however, likelt doesn’t overrate morgan at all

          • Ethan

            No, I still don’t think the wording is fine. The general viewing population mainly talks about Morgan’s goals and speed, just like the Equalizer. Only a select percentage focuses on other aspects. I mean, before her goals against France and Germany in the SheBelieves Cup, multiple media people were calling for her not to start.

          • DNG

            I don’t think the general viewing population cares enough to make the distinction. I think it’s a select few that care to really analyze players with any depth.

          • Ethan

            Okay, I’m sorry if I’m being too picky, but then that’s thinking Morgan is overrated in general, not her technical play is overrated.

          • Bruce

            I’ve grown to appreciate her game and think she is a much more complete player today than a few years back. Her work off the ball and hold-up play is far superior to 2012 Morgan.

            For that she should be commended – I think – but she probably started playing too late (~14 y/o, right?) to ever have had a chance to be a top-flight technical player.

      • Bruce

        Overrated on this site: probably not.
        Overrated with the general population: no doubt.

        • Ethan

          Don’t agree with the second point. When has the general population focused on Morgan’s technical ability and not just on her goal scoring and speed?

          • Bruce

            Maybe I’m underestimating the savvy of the average fan, but I honestly don’t think they make any differentiation between the two (speed and skill).

            If you only tune in to USWNT games, all you know is how much Foudy, Markgraf et al gush about the quality of her play.

          • Bruce

            Just saw DNGs post below. Should’ve just said “ditto”.

      • Steglitz49

        S49 gives Alex credit too. Bags of it.

    • JL

      Lloyd in WPS may have been a blah club player, but NWSL Lloyd isn’t. She did benefit a bit in 2013 from being on a good WNY team, but who was the one scoring the goals late in the season to get the Flash to the shield? It wasn’t Abby, it was Lloyd. And Lloyd was one of the few players on the 2014 WNY squad that showed up on a regular basis. And Houston this year was a better team with Lloyd on the field than without her.

      • Steglitz49

        It is a strange phenomenon that untill she scored her 3 goals against Japan in the WC-15 final,WoSo followers took no notice of Carli in spite of her goals in OG-08 and OG-12. Even after her FIFA POTY, peple again seem to shrug their shoulders. It is hard to think of a more coldshoulder player who has been a critical player in several big matches.

        Where has it all gone pearshaped?

  • Gary Diver

    Can we agree that these awards are mainly for the fans and subjectively chosen?

    • guest

      Do the fans even get to vote? If not, it’s just a silly and pointless award.

      • DNG

        Why would anyone want fans to vote. They are most biased voting party available.

        • guest

          I would imagine the whole purpose of the award is to increase interest in the sport. What better way than to let fans participate?

          • DNG

            I’d argue that the fans that would vote are already interested in the sport so I doubt your hypothesis would hold true if tested.

          • Steglitz49

            The great unwashed might be tickled pink at being allowed to have a go.

          • guest

            Think about the marketing. A webpage with a POTY ballot would drive page views through the roof.

          • DNG

            It would also make the award less valuable in my opinon

          • Steglitz49

            Maybe this year the players and head coach of the other NTs in the OG should have been given the vote. 11×19 = 209 votes.

          • guest

            You think they’re not biased? Not sure who “they” is, because the article didn’t say, but whoever they are–the Ministry of Propaganda?– I don’t think anyone really cares, or should care.

          • Steglitz49

            The ostrich list as in chosen by ostriches?

          • DNG

            This is “they” from Rdalford’s comment below

            “A new voting process was put in place starting in 2014. Votes will be collected from National Team coaches and staff, WNT players who have earned a cap in 2016, members of the U.S. Soccer Board of Directors, U.S. Soccer’s Athlete Council, National Women’s Soccer League coaches, select college head coaches and select media members.”

            Yes, I think these voters are less biased than fans although there are certainly still questions to be asked of who gets to vote or even decide who gets nominated.

          • Steglitz49

            For a point of clarification, what does “National Team coaches” mean?

            Does it mean anyone who has ever been on the USWNT coaching staff going back to 1991 or even before?
            Does it mean other significant NT coaches, like those that took part in the SBC and those in OG-16?

          • guest

            This is a good sampling of informed opinion, but they’re still missing out on a marketing opportunity.

          • DNG

            I don’t agree. I don’t really think anyone who isn’t already interested and invested in the sport is going to be moved to vote. I could be wrong but that’s my opinion.

          • Steglitz49

            They could pose in bodypaint too. That would really drive the interest to fever pitch.

          • Steglitz49

            The problem with letting the fans vote is that you can’t guarantee the result.

        • anon

          i actually quite disagree with this.

          • DNG

            Case in point. The save of the week award in the NWSL this year is an example of an award made even more worthless than it already was. Harris fans voting her every week no matter what made that award a complete joke.

          • Steglitz49

            The fans of any other goalie can vote too. Nobody is stopping them, are they?

          • guest

            Agree, you have to police voter fraud.

          • Steglitz49

            Why? I miht put my vote up on eBay or some other such site.

        • Steglitz49

          That is why the fans should vote. Then we have something to argue about.

  • guest

    we all know who Tobin will take as her date to the ceremony when they get back from their Europe vacation

    http://68.media.tumblr.com/c8d48c8b70362e4ca26d7d6184f85ed9/tumblr_ohrvuaCAi21t2mtlxo1_1280.jpg

    • anon

      do they rip up each others jeans. you know when they are doing arts and crafts and stuff?

      • Stegpitz49

        Rip up each others jeans? Maybe. Rip off each others jeans? Most probably. Not an altogether unpleasant image, to be true.

        • Steglitz49

          Do us all a favor and register yourself so we can follow your comments.

    • guest2

      Why can’t they just be friends?

      • guest

        lol

      • geZ

        because they want to be more than friends. if you believe they are just friends than your dumb.

        • Steglitz49

          S49 is pleased to be considered dumb.

        • Bill

          this entire long exchange is cringe worthy to see in a mirror.

          Same same BS and you tube creations and endless fantasizing accompanied TALEX. Except of course all that certainty evaporated when it turns out that Morgan married the same guy she was steadily with since freshman year of college.

          So I guess Heath was with her for years but did not know? Logical behavior for a gay person?

          Poof…all the effort to make up drama disappeared.

          Now its Press. Realize that Jordan and Pippen saw each other almost every day for years? Ditto Clemens and Pettite. Ditto Jeter and Posada. How did that work out?

          Here is what is wrong with speculation of other peoples lives: It takes time. It takes time away from reality. It does harm people. Years from now will any of their children look up their mothers and find your desperation …and be frightened at the dangers of fan sickness?

          Gossip is pretty low and insidious. It affects the twisted sicker than we know to dig deeper into their fantasies. As the very same people who perpetuate know when its applied to them in real life.

          Got nothing to do with homophobic at all. Own it for what your silliness is…silliness by a silly person. All the best recovering.

          Its a soccer site. Please dribble elsewhere.

          • Guest

            Talex was a stupid fan girl thing that no one actually believed was true, and isn’t a comparison with the Press and Heath relationship which I do think is a real thing and I was skeptical when that speculation first started. I realize most men are really clueless about how women typically act and can’t distinguish a typical female friendship with a lesbian relationship.

          • Guester

            this dude clearly isn’t an invested fan who follows Press and Heath. I admit that their fans are insane but I do think the relationship is real.

          • Bill

            whats an “invested Fan?

            an investment has a pay off…what is it?

            Did they ask you to invest?

            Who sold the investment to you?

            Investing in appreciating soccer and good soccer players…that i get

            investing in un-invited fantasy? It will always be fantasy if you are not in their real lives?

            I agree. I dont get investing in the assumed reality life of people I will only see on screens. Guess i will just have to go through life as very limited

          • Steglitz49

            Kindly register yourself so we can follow your comments.

          • Bill

            so Talex was a multi year stupid fan girl thing that many many lived out for many years…sure they “knew”

            Notice it was not that until the very day it was a stupid fan girl thing.

            So obviously the “gay” Heath was dumb enough to fall for a straight girl? and Morgan dumb enough to spend all her time with a gay girl and did not know it? I suppose Alex hid her boyfriend from Heath? And all the other players knew and did not tell her?

            But now we are sure about Press and Heath…its dense men that are the problem?

            if you don’t know them…and they did not tell you…what are you doing doubling down on whats a “real thing” about someone else’s life?

            Do you do that to other people in real life? Of course you do…you “discern” the truth and tell others of your insights. Its what you do. Then generalize about men instead of owning that you are the one off track. Its always other people who don’t get it.

          • guest

            you have major reading comprehension issues and i couldn’t get past your second paragraph. No one thought “Talex” was real. People WANTED them to get together despite the fact it was well known Morgan lived with her boyfriend. Press and Heath (probably) ARE together. There is a difference.

          • Steglitz49

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          • lol…

            did pippen and jordan live together in a studio apartment? did they go with each other to multiple formal events as dates? did they travel together and have candlelit dinners together? did they spend holidays with each others’ families?

          • guest

            did they spend every waking moment together in off seasons like press and heath do? yeah… no.

          • Bill

            Ok. Lets look at a better analogy.

            The 1988-1995 womens team had many players who lived together in a tiny apartment or two and ate, worked out, an practiced together 90% of the time. For years. No men. Just them. Went to candlight dinners together

            Huh. Then they retired, got married to men and had children who dont have to read weirdness about their moms on the internet.

            You know this from real life. When someone has a deep need and vested interest in how tiny clues may or may not fit together…those are the last people you listen to for an unbiased view.

            maybe they are. maybe not. Until they say…its a fantasy

          • Bill

            I have no idea. They were very good players of a very good sport. As are Heath and Press and and and

            Speculating abut the reality of people on screens just does not hold much fascination for me. I wish them well.

            Lets say you have converted me to what you are sure of. So what? I dont know them and you dont know them. Does not change them or me. So why is it important?

            Thats what I dont get. And I dont see how speculating and gossiping about other people is a good thing.

            But i respectfully think we have reached the edge of usefulness on the subject.

            All the best

          • Steglitz49

            Thank you.

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          • curious indeed

            i think pippen was also candidly photographed arm in arm with jordan at one of his naked photo shoots. oh wait.

          • Steglitz49

            Hear hear!

      • another guest

        they live together in the off season in portland and california, in Tobin’s studio apartment. fly to each other’s homes and stay with each others’ families. attend formal events as each other’s dates. take extended vacations just the two of them. spend every waking moment together. if it was a male and female doing that.. you do the math. oh but it’s casting them in a “poor light” according to that disgusting troll.

        • guest

          i can’t believe people actually think that Tobin in particular is straight. Press is very femme so I kind of understand the confusion more there.

          • Guest1

            I think that’s why the male straights are in denial of it. They are together. Seen pictures of Christen at Tobin sister wedding.

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          • another guest

            they have clearly never seen the love letter she wrote to her ex girlfriend that her (admittedly invasive) fans blew up and put on the internet. that cat has been out of the bag for a long time.

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          • Heather

            So Gay woman cant be femme.. what a dumb comment

          • guest

            that’s not what that comment says. reading comprehension.

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          • guest

            You mean tobin wears the pants? Wow. As a red-blooded male, I never got tobin’s appeal, so it kind of makes sense. But isn’t she into church and all that? That doesn’t seem to fit in with ur picture.

          • Paul Klee

            Say one thing and then I’m done. Tobin reminds me of the hot camp counselor who was also better than us boys at all the outdoor stuff.

          • Steglitz49

            What does that mean in the Queen’s English, pray?

          • guest

            she is a tomboy in her daily life, but not butch. The type of woman who wears loose fitting clothing, backwards snapback caps, and pairs them with some nice heels. she cleans up nicely for special events.

          • well

            there are gay Christians out there. The world isn’t black and white.

          • Steglitz49

            “femme” as in “female”, “feminine” or femme fatale, or, do I mean femme falafel?

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          • FlyingSquirrel42

            I think “femme” is sometimes used as a term to describe a lesbian who is traditionally feminine in appearance, clothing, etc.

          • Steglitz49

            Verily.

            I would say that most vigorous healthy males and quite a lot of rednecks too for that matter would be pleased to squire both of these fine ladies to the Huntsmen’s Ball.

            Whether they would get lucky afterwards would depend on their charm and pheromones.

    • newsouth

      you’re definitely someone from the zetaboards. there’s no end to this gossip.

      • Steglitz49

        It is in poor taste. They only gossip about it because it casts the young ladies in a poor light. Pathetic posters.

        • guest

          so speculating about being a lesbian is being cast in a poor light? people speculate about hetero couples all the time. homophobic troll.

          • Steglitz49

            These lowlives are only speculating because it casts these two ladies in a poor light. If you can’t see that, then you are blind.

        • annie

          I think it’s stupid to discuss this here because it has nothing to do with soccer, but your comment is what is really in poor taste.

          • Claude

            I recommend to just ignore that troll. More and more do

          • Steglitz49

            I had hoped that you might speak up on behalf of the ladies but that was obviously too much.

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      • annie

        typical clueless male in denial that attractive females can be gay.

        • DNG

          How about I put it this way and I think I’ve mentioned this before. If what you are claiming is true, neither player has come forward to make their relationship public. In light of this fact, why do some posters feel the need to spread this rumor. Is there some reason everyone can’t just respect their privacy.

          • another guest

            people were spreading rumors about ohai and watt before either confirmed anything. same with a ton of public figures. it’s only problematic for you people because they are in a gay relationship.

          • DNG

            Lots of incorrect assumptions about my opinions on LGBTQ in your comment. Is this a gossip site? No. Okay now that that is sorted out would you please explain to me how any player’s relationship is at all relevant to the discussion of Nominee’s for US Soccer awards. No player’s relationship is relevant to the discussion.

          • Steglitz49

            The fact that they post without registering themselves tells you all and more.

            They are pathetic bottom-feeders, rats that root around in sewers of their own making.

          • Jen

            Just because they don’t come out and say it doesn’t mean it’s not true. Ali Krieger and Ashlyn Harris have been dating for years and never said they’re together. People know.

          • Steglitz49

            They can’t because they are bottom-feeding lowlife. They only bring up this angle to denigrate both players.

            Were are StegWatch, StegPatrol and StegWorld when we need them?

            It may well be those inadequates who post this malicious gossip. I wish these creeps would go away.

    • how could you!

      Well clearly someone has come between them.

      • Steglitz49

        Touchée!

    • curious indeed

      i think it is funny how they always pose for pictures with someone between them. whether it’s a fan or a friend or whatever. until you get a slip up like those ESPN body issue pics.

  • Cris4president

    Pity
    Found that gay thing such a funny read. Pls more.
    Now that we have Trump we should enjoy a little bit more of what goes below the waist instead of thinking political correctness.
    I think our presidents banter would prefer to date Press.

    • Guest

      I’m pretty sure Christen Press wouldn’t willingly go anywhere near Donald Trump.

      • Steglitz49

        Everyone has her/his price. When the price is right, you have a deal.

        • annie

          You are a disgusting troll.

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      • anon

        I think it’s funny that if they win the next world cup and Trump is somehow still in office at that point, that some of the players straight up won’t go to a White House visit. Press has been pretty outspoken against him.

        • Guest

          lol at that self absorbed misogynist rapist pig and his homophobe vp hosting an event for them

        • JL

          I wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of teams stopped doing the WH visits while Trump is in office.

          • Steglitz49

            I doubt that they would turn down the chance. Individual players yes but not the majority.

  • Steglitz49

    Meanwhile on the other side of the Pond:

    Arsenal Ladies goalkeeper, Sari van Veenendaal, won the inaugural Football Supporters’ Federation Women’s Player of the Year award.

    The FSF Awards are in association with Virgin Media. It was the first year that the FSF awarded a Women’s Player of the Year. The public voted on a shortlist.

    Players in contention were:Lucy Bronze (Man City), Karen Carney (Chelsea), Jordan Nobbs (Arsenal), Sari Van Veenendaal (Arsenal — who won the vote), Jane Ross (Man City) and Jill Scott (ManCity).

    All play for the distaff side of rich men’s clubs.

  • Kevin

    I actually don’t have a problem with the 5 players nominated. Who does everyone think should be on this list over any of these 5?

    Who else was even a consistent starter? Solo doesn’t deserve to be on the list. Brian, Klingenberg, JJ, KO didn’t have a great years. Pugh maybe if she played more, but she only played half the year.

    I agree with most of what has been said on here as well. I don’t think Lloyd or Sauerbrunn had great years, but I don’t see who stood out that I can swap either of them out for.

    If I had to rank this list, it would be…

    1) Heath
    2) Dunn
    3) Morgan
    4) Lloyd
    5) Sauerbrunn

    I see this as a 2-player contest between Heath and Dunn. I think Heath had the best year, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it went to Morgan due to her popularity.

    • sigh

      dunn is so overrated

      • guest

        except she isn’t. at all. she has her flaws, sure, but she is probably the most versatile player we have right now and has been quite impactful on the pitch. i’m glad she was nominated. she seems overlooked a lot.

        • Bruce

          I like her, but the word “versatile” doesn’t seem to fit.

          • guest

            please, name a more versatile player than Crystal Dunn on the current roster.

          • Bruce

            I’ll give you three:

            Allie Long: plays 6, 8, 10 and now even CB.
            Mallory Pugh: Dunn’s equal on the wing, better centrally.
            Christen Press: executes on the wing, at the 11, 9 and 10.

            Dunn’s great on the wing, but not much of a CF. She really doesn’t play OB anymore so I can’t see how that can be considered.

          • Steglitz49

            However you turn them around and look at them, they still failed in the QF of this OG, thereby making history for the USWNT.

            If these five are the best US WoSo players, I would hate to meet the average ones.

          • guest

            I disagree that Press is more versatile than Dunn. I don’t think she is good on the wing. Dunn is better on the wing and better at defending. She is a grittier forward in certain situations, but I’m willing to say Press is generally superior at CF.

            Allie Long? Don’t even get me started. I’m not a fan and think she has already been exposed multiple times at centerback. Any decent team will feast on her. She wasn’t great at DM either. She is pretty good on the thorns as an attacking mid, i will give her that.

          • JL

            Long is a good club player. But success at the club level doesn’t always translate to success at the international level. And in Long’s case, it hasn’t.

          • Steglitz49

            It took Long too long to get a shot at the NT.

          • DNG

            What a bunch of nonsense Long has been more than good enough this year for the NT. She may not be a standout at holding mid but she’s been the definition of a solid player. She’s probably the best on the team at making vertical passes between lines from the pivot. Brian and Sullivan are the only players that are comparable.

          • DNG

            I actually think OB would probably be Dunn’s best position. I don’t really see her as a versatile player though because she essentially would play RB/LB/RM/LM very similarly in terms of role. Versatile to me means being able to play in a variety of different systems and roles. Names that come to mind are Brian, Heath, and Press.

      • wasfan

        29 games in her career on the national team as an attacking player (not all starts) and has a total of what 18 goals and 11 assists from the fall of 2015 through 16. Overrated – maybe – but quite productive for someone the national team used mostly as a defender in the YNT and full team for the first couple of years.

        • DNG

          I don’t necessarily think she’s overrated. I do think she’s clearly limited in certain situations. I’m really not that impressed with any of the player’s NT production given the competition most of the year. She hasn’t played as a defender at all in the last year so I’m not really sure that’s relevant. She was used as an attacking player in college by Dorrance at times so it’s not like she had no experience there.

        • #1Fan

          You have hit the nail on the head. She is productive WITHOUT having many of the qualities that the USSF coaching staff are preaching to kids. This is the essence of my complaint. Assessing player has to be about what they do on the field. The USA are well ahead in terms of depth of most countries. They are not ahead in individual quality, ut they make up for it in quantity. So , you have to look at Dunn (or any other players) production vs other comparable nations. Looked at it that was she is OK, but not great. I personally think Dunn could be an elite defender. I dont think she is an elite striker. She just happens to play for an elite NT.

          • washfan

            she didn’t play on an elite team when she put up 15 goals in the NWSL – she was the entire team. Have not seen Alex Morgan do that in the NWSL or basically anyone else. In terms of versiaility she doesn’t play defense now because someone know can do what she does on offense no need to wast it on defense. But keep in mind u17 world cup she was as left back, u20 world cup in Germany center back, u20 world cup in japan right back, college – she played outside back, center back, midfield and forward, full national team started as an outside back before moving to attack, 3 years with the spirit – started in defenses mostly her 1st year and played attack her 2nd year and 3rd year. It is all of these reasons why people say she is versatile – how many people on the national team has played that many positions starting from college to youth national team to pro team to full national team

          • #1Fan

            i like Dunn. What did she do in a non WC year when all the players were around? nowhere nears as prolific.

            The suggestion that a world class attacking right or left back is a waste is just flat out wrong.

            Well aware of her background. The reason she played all those positions is 2 things . Speed and toughness. I like her , just dont see her as a world class forward. Nor do I see her as the type of player the USSF keep harping on about producing. She is very productive becasue she is very athletic,

          • mockmook

            Washington has had a good/great team for a few years now — all of Dunn’s career. The team in the Final was essentially the same team that had Dunn racking up all those goals.

    • Reality

      Press had a total of 20 goals between the USWNT and the NWSL compared to Lloyd with 22, Morgan with 21 and Dunn with 16. In assists, the totals were Press with 5, Lloyd 14, Morgan 4 and Dunn 19.

      However, Press had considerably less playing time on the NT with only 1122″ compared with Lloyd’s 1644″, Morgan’s 1504″, and Dunn’s 1494″ and also in starts where Press only had 9, Lloyd 20, Morgan 16 and Dunn 17.

      Given that Press was mostly used as a substitute and often played out of position on the NT, she had a good year. Since Morgan is always a forward, Dunn often a forward and Lloyd acting as a forward wherever she is on the field, I suspect that Press was just one forward too many for the nominations.

      • DNG

        Press was the best USWNT forward in the NWSL this year. It’s hard to say she was the best USWNT forward giving the minutes disparity especially in meaningful matches. Dunn only had 13 assists total by the way. Heath was the player with 18 total NWSL+USWNT. I think you need to focus less on the stats for all the players though. Too many matches for the USWNT just weren’t competitive at all.

        • Reality

          Thank you for the correction on Dunn (applied above). As regards Press producing in meaningful matches on the NT, it is difficult to do that since Ellis seldom started her, or gave her many minutes, or played her at forward against the best teams compared to Lloyd, Morgan and Dunn. Press was the best NT forward in the NWSL because Dames utilized her appropriately whereas Ellis did not on the NT.

          • DNG

            Press would be my preferred CF on the NT so you don’t need to convince me that Ellis is not getting the best out of her. I and one of the foremost “Lloyd Haters” too so I need no convincing there either. Lloyd is the Antithesis of a progressive player.

          • Reality

            Given Lloyd’s stated ambition to remain on the NT for the foreseeable future, she will be taking minutes away from younger more skillful players, retarding the dynamics of the play on the pitch, and limiting the versatility of the team in its strategy and tactics.

            I think that this year has demonstrated that the Ellis-Heinrichs-French-Snow-Gulati management is not realizing the potential of our resources and talent.

          • DNG

            The day Lloyd is no longer a guaranteed starter is the day I start to believe the team is really moving forward.

          • Steglitz49

            She just got married so maybe she will follow in ARod’s and Syd’s footsteps.

          • Steglitz49

            It could also reflect reality. That the so-called talent is not all that it is cranked up to be.

            The U20s losing in the SF by the narrowest of margins and having earlier tied with the other finalists, is more than OK.

          • #1Fan

            Steg your are lost on this issue. its FAR from OK. If you had a kid in youth ranks here or watched the youth games arounfd the country you would understand this a lot better. its not OK. This is not solely about results; Its about consistency, style of play and a failure to deliver on promises made over more than one cycle. Basics are not being executed consistently and a few late goals has NOTHING to do with changing that fact.

          • Steglitz49

            I don’t doubt that your case has merit but you must also propose a solution that not only would work but has a chance in the market place.

            What do you propose that is realistic?

            The problem is that most people would simply write off 2016 as one of those years to forget. Life goes on.

          • #1Fan

            You said it was a more than ok yr. I pointed out that you are very wrong. It’s not on me to fix it but they can start by no longer wasting money on excessive and selective camps. Cut that down. Focus on spreading the money to see more players. Focus on id I G talent. Currently the USSF are having an attacking and forwards camp

            http://ussoc.cr/2h73wqv

            Read AH comments. Utter nonsense

          • HOFCToDi

            Summer Olympic Games
            Games Started
            Leroux – 0
            Press – 1

            Summer Olympic Games
            Minutes Played
            Leroux – 77
            Press – 123

            Summer Olympic Games
            Goals Scored
            Leroux – 1
            Press – 0

            Christen Press is the quintessential international fraud.

            4 years (2013, 2014, 2015, 2016)
            78 caps
            2 head coaches

            Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

            garbage time
            prima donna
            selfish shot hog
            tomato cans

          • HOFCToDi

            FIFA Top 10 Ranked Opponents
            USWNT Goals Scored
            Leroux (DOB 07 May 1990) – 8
            Press (DOB 29 Dec 1988) – 3

            Christen Press is the quintessential international fraud.

            4 years (2013, 2014, 2015, 2016)
            78 caps
            2 head coaches

            Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

            garbage time
            prima donna
            selfish shot hog
            tomato cans

          • HOFCToDi

            Summer Olympic Games
            Games Started
            Leroux – 0
            Press – 1

            Summer Olympic Games
            Minutes Played
            Leroux – 77
            Press – 123

            Summer Olympic Games
            Goals Scored
            Leroux – 1
            Press – 0

            Christen Press is the quintessential international fraud.

            4 years (2013, 2014, 2015, 2016)
            78 caps
            2 head coaches

            Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

            garbage time
            prima donna
            selfish shot hog
            tomato cans

      • guest

        snooze. I like Press and think she was the best NWSL forward but she had a pretty sleepy year on the NT until the last few games. Sorry. I think Pugh, Dunn, Heath and Morgan were all superior attacking players on the national team. Taking minutes played into account as well.

        • Reality

          zzzzzz. Well, possibly the fact that Ellis actually started her in the last few games, gave her many more minutes and let her play forward more consistently might have had something to do with it.

          • guest

            she had starts and significant minutes before then and didn’t do much with them. short term memory.

          • sam

            christen press needs to do something in a high pressure game (quality opponent or tournament, even something dumb like the Shiba Leaves cup) for me to think she deserves the praise heaped on her here.

          • DNG

            Why is everyone so fixated on high pressure matches. They provide an extremely small sample size to analyze a player’s ability. An entire season in the NWSL is likely a better approximation of overall skill. Despite her admittedly glaring miss in the NWSL semifinal this year, she actually played well in that match overall and was the only player on her team to score a goal.

          • sam

            Because pressure playing makes and defines stars. Confidence is one of the most important aspects of an athlete. You can be a great technical player but if you choke when it matters, what good does it do? You end up like the French National Team.

          • Guest

            “experience doesn’t matter if you don’t do what you need to do when the time is right” – Shannon Miller the Great

          • DNG

            How many minutes has Press played in big matches over the last two years. The last time I checked, I think she’s played under 70 minutes in the 5 KO matches the USWNT played in the last 2 years along with the two NWSL semifinals. I would say that her performance in the NWSL semifinals have been hit and miss. I thought she played very well in the most recent one but missed a really big chance that soured her performance probably deservedly. She wasn’t as good in the 2015 NWSL semifinal. I think it’s also important to note that she was a key piece in getting the Red Stars to the playoffs last year. They likely aren’t a playoff team without her.

            Regarding the French. I don’t think the narrative that the French just choke in big matches is an accurate one. I don’t think France is a team that have natural goal scorers who choke in big matches, I think they have simply produced players at every position except center forward. If you want to some empirical evidence of France’s scoring woes, France has scored a total of 7 goals in 9 friendlies this year. If they had one or two top class CFs I have little doubt they would be the #1 team in the world.

          • Steglitz49

            2009, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2015 and now 2016 is pretty conclusive.

            Hopefully with crop of U20s they can turn over a new leaf and make something of their WC in 2019 but time is short.

          • Réalité

            Press is of French descent on her mother’s side. Perhaps she is the striker the France NT is looking for.

          • Steglitz49

            Touchée!

          • HOFCToDi

            Just like the French, can’t hit the broad side of a barn.

            Christen Press
            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
            12 Jun 2015
            USA 0 SWE 0
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 2, Shots on Goal 0

            resources.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/02/64/73/21/eng_19_0612_usa-swe_fulltime.pdf

            Christen Press
            2016 Rio Olympics
            12 Aug 2016
            USA 1 SWE 1
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 2, Shots on Goal 0
            Penalty Kicks Attempted 1, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

            rio2016.com/en/football-womens-quarterfinal-fb-3

          • HOFCToDi

            Summer Olympic Games
            Games Started
            Leroux – 0
            Press – 1

            Summer Olympic Games
            Minutes Played
            Leroux – 77
            Press – 123

            Summer Olympic Games
            Goals Scored
            Leroux – 1
            Press – 0

            Christen Press is the quintessential international fraud.

            4 years (2013, 2014, 2015, 2016)
            78 caps
            2 head coaches

            Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

            garbage time
            prima donna
            selfish shot hog
            tomato cans

          • #1Fan

            I would love to know what choking is in soccer terms? A fwd missing a good chance happens in all sorts of games – big and small. If a CM missing a wide open pass choking ? A defender not marking well ? Its easy to see a striker miss and call it choking , but it it really choking?

          • Réalité

            Press has done nothing memorable against quality international competition in her career, aside from that one goal against France in the Algarve Cup.

          • #1Fan

            how about just what she has done vs quality opposition international or otherwise. iI am fascinated that the Choking label seems to be givent o her and her alone. Why? are we saying that no one else does? are we saying its forward specific?

          • Steglitz49

            Because she chokes and has done over again. She is a repeat offender.

          • HOFCToDi

            The “Press Gang Troll Brigade” don’t given a damn about the USWNT. The “Press Gang Troll Brigade” only care about Christen Press 24/7.

          • HOFCToDi

            USWNT Career
            FIFA Top 10 Ranked Opponents
            USWNT Goals Scored
            Morgan (DOB 02 Jul 1989) – 34
            Leroux (DOB 07 May 1990) – 8
            Press (DOB 29 Dec 1988) – 3
            Johnston (DOB 06 Apr 1992) – 2
            Dunn (DOB 03 Jul 1992) – 2
            Horan (DOB 26 May 1994) – 2
            Mewis (DOB 09 Oct 1992) – 1

            Christen Press is the quintessential international fraud.

            4 years (2013, 2014, 2015, 2016)
            78 caps
            2 head coaches

            Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

            garbage time
            prima donna
            selfish shot hog
            tomato cans

          • HOFCToDi

            Calendar Year 2016
            FIFA Top 10 Ranked Opponents
            USWNT Goals Scored
            Morgan (DOB 02 Jul 1989) – 6
            Horan (DOB 26 May 1994) – 2
            Dunn (DOB 03 Jul 1992) – 1
            Heath (DOB 29 May 1988) – 1
            Johnston (DOB 06 Apr 1992) – 1
            Lloyd (DOB 16 Jul 1982) – 1
            Mewis (DOB 09 Oct 1992) – 1

            By the way, Christen Press is not on the list.

            ussoccer.com/womens-national-t…

            Christen Press is the quintessential international fraud.

            4 years (2013, 2014, 2015, 2016)
            78 caps
            2 head coaches

            Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

            garbage time
            prima donna
            selfish shot hog
            tomato cans

          • HOFCToDi

            Christen Press has yet to score a goal versus a FIFA Top 12 Ranked opponent in calendar year 2016.

            fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/women/index.html

            Christen Press has yet to provide an assist versus a FIFA Top 12 Ranked opponent in calendar year 2016.

            fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/women/index.html

            Christen Press is the quintessential international fraud.

            4 years (2013, 2014, 2015, 2016)
            78 caps
            2 head coaches

            Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

            garbage time
            prima donna
            selfish shot hog
            tomato cans

          • HOFCToDi

            Christen Press is a LOSER! Alex Morgan is a WINNER!

            Alex Morgan was already a WINNER at the age of 19.

            youtube.com/watch?v=PacY7Enz9hQ

            2008 Goal of the Year declared

            fifa.com/theclub/news/newsid=999807/index.html

            USA striker Alex Morgan’s 42nd-minute winner against Korea in the final of the FIFA U-20 Women’s World Cup Chile 2008 is rated as the second best goal of the year. Morgan walked away with the Adidas Silver Ball and Bronze Shoe awards for her four goals and stellar performance at the tournament.

          • Steglitz49

            Didn’t she score against some team in WC-15?

          • HOFCToDi

            The “Press Gang Troll Brigade” will vilify any player in competition for a roster spot vis-à-vis Christen Press.

          • HOFCToDi

            Christen Press can’t hit the broad side of a barn.

            Christen Press
            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
            12 Jun 2015
            USA 0 SWE 0
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 2, Shots on Goal 0

            resources.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/02/64/73/21/eng_19_0612_usa-swe_fulltime.pdf

            Christen Press
            2016 Rio Olympics
            12 Aug 2016
            USA 1 SWE 1
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 2, Shots on Goal 0
            Penalty Kicks Attempted 1, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

            rio2016.com/en/football-womens-quarterfinal-fb-3

          • Steglitz49

            You know what choking is. Just admit it. Plenty of examples.

          • Reality

            We all know what trolling is and you and your cut and paste troll accomplice are a plague here at EQ.

          • Steglitz49

            I type the truth. I challenge you to do your utmost.

            Where are you when all these denigrating comments and slanderous and sly attacks are made on players. We don’t see you then.

          • Reality

            As far as I am concerned, they are members of your troll club since you all meet the criteria. But enough attention for you…bye!

          • Steglitz49

            You never defend either Christen or Tobin against these slurs. Never.

            The screen crawls with the vile stuff — and you stay quiet.

            You can’t even meet the simplest criticism of Press with facts that are there because you do not know them.

          • HOFCToDi

            The “Press Gang Troll Brigade” have been thoroughly defeated.

          • HOFCToDi

            So says the useless troll.

          • #1Fan

            No I really don’t. Please give us some non goal miss related examples

          • Steglitz49

            In soccer choking essentially refers to your first example: a player, not necessarily a fwd, missing a good chance. Kicking a penalty above the bar or wide is usually considered choking.

            The other examples you give are not considered choking. They are put down to carelessness, slovenes and simply incompetence.

          • #1Fan

            Actually choking is failing to deliver in a pressure situation due to fear or nerves. The fact that in soccer, people choose to ascribe that to obvious goal scoring opportunities alone is beyond stupid. How about a GK failing to make an easy save? is that choking? or a defender mis clearing a ball? Or a MF over hitting an easy pass? These can all be examples of choking. The thing is a forward who consistently puts themselves in goalscoring positions is doing a lot right and I want that player on my team. Choking is something that people who have never really been in that position cal people who are out there putting themselves in positions to succeed all the time. I actually hate the word choke. Its a dumb word and in soccer its overused with respect to forwards.

          • Steglitz49

            Are you just argumentative for the sake of it or do you have anything constructive to contribute?

            You are frustrated that people do not listen to you but it does not seem to occur to you that you might do well with focus and sticking the generally well accepted.

            We all know who played Clutch in Brasilia but who choked?

            Maybe it is soccer’s coming from the Brits that defenders are treated less harshly than attackers. What grid-iron calls a fumble, is a knock-on in rugger. The Brits did not use to have an own-goal league. They used to award the own-goal to the opposite player that last struck the ball. Maybe they still do.

            At the same time, attackers who fail to score easy chances have always been fair game in those foggy islands. For those there is no mercy. They are crucified at the drop of a hat.

          • #1Fan

            i dont believe in the “generally well accepted”. I make up my own mind basis what i see.. Im not afraid of calling BS when i think I see it and if that makes me argumentative , so be it.

            I am not at all frustrated by that. I dont really care if you listen of not. I do not care too be insulted and called names for having my own opinion. Deal with that as you want.

            As to the rest of you somewhat confusing and opaque post (par for the course) You seem to believe the generally accepted even though , as I have outlined. in many cases, it makes no sense at all. As far a missing penalties, I do find it interesting that teh HC of the team either

            a. Did not see Press as a player who would fail under pressure
            b. was so blind to the obvious that she overlooked it
            c. Allowed players with the guts to step up to the line to take them

            Pick any one of those, but it seems obvious to em that the staff do not see her as a risk t deliver under pressure. They may prefer other players a times, but they dont see her as a non pressure player. Nor does Dames.

            I will defer to them in this case.

          • Steglitz49

            In Brasilia the players with guts and focus was on the other side.

            I agree with you about asking Press to take the 5th penalty. I could not believe my eyes. Bizarre.

            We shall never know what was in JE’s mind for OG-16. The picking of Pinoe gave an early indication that all was not well. Either JE bowed to pressure from on high or she was too trusting. She bowed in WC-15 but got away with it so may well have agreed again as a repeat offender.

            The match against Colombia ought to have set warning bells ringing. Maybe they did.

            The turnip failure against the Swedes in Brasilia is more understandable because Sweden had been playing lousy up till then. As bad as if not worse than in WC-15, just a bit luckier. But once the game went awry, there seemed no plan B. Only the incompetent and ignorant ref crew stopped the match being lost in play.

          • mockmook

            I’d say that given Press’ great skill and day to day excellence, it says a lot about how the coaches view her that she doesn’t start in more big games (and often doesn’t start at Forward).

          • #1Fan

            Coaches like certain players more than others. Not an issue with me. Does not mean they are right 🙂

          • Steglitz49

            This undoubtedly true. I still want to know what persuaded JE to pick Pinoe. Was it bowing to orders from on high? Was it not checking on her actual state? Or was it simply a personal preference?

            Whichever way, JE must have understood that picking her would controversial. I guess she expected to reach the final at least and win it to boot. Hubris.

          • #1Fan

            hmmm. guess others liked this topic.

          • NYRick

            You make some excellent points regarding “choking” in sports. Yes in soccer, the easy target is the feature striker who fluffs an easy chance or sails a ball wide on an uncontested header from 5 feet away. But…as you smartly indicate, how then do we define choking for the keeper who lets in a bunny to demoralize his or her team? Or the defender who doesn’t mark the charging attacker in the box for an easy header goal.

            Also, anytime I have this type of argument with friends as it pertains to any sport, take baseball for example. Who is to say the missed opportunity that happened in the third inning was more important than anything happening late in a game. In most cases the game was lost in the third inning when say, the batter hit into a bases loaded double play, or something like that. The hype of the 9th inning closer also accelerated this thinking. And in soccer, I find what happened in the 17th minute (a goal, a key miss, a great save etc.) often is the game changer in such a low scoring sport, just as much as the 80th minute on in a close match. It’s all relative.

            Just remember this, Tom Brady lost not one, but two, Superbowls to Eli Manning. Is Brady a choker (he has 4 SB wins), but the two losses are beyond improbable when fully analyzed. Yes, like you say, choking in sports is overrated and quite complicated when fully reviewed.

          • DNG

            In any given match a player misses chances, a pass, a defender lets a player go by or a goalkeeper makes an error. People like to ascribe things like missing a big chance or making a goal keeping error to choking in big matches because that play that could have a big impact on a match. I don’t deny that nerves can possibly get the best of players in big matches causing them to make mistakes. What I have a bigger issue with is people assuming that every mistake in a big match is the result of that player not being able to handle the moment. I think people tend to focus on singular big plays as well as oppose to evaluating overall play. It usually doesn’t matter how poorly someone played in the first 90 minutes if they score to win the match in stoppage time. They get remembered for that game winning goal in that circumstance.

            I also really dislike the word mostly because it is impossible for us observers to know if a player has been adversely effected by their nerves or if that said play is just the result of probability. I think it’s only after a large sample that someone can actually track if a player is consistently underperforming in high pressure matches. I prefer to focus my criticism on players that underperform in big matches consistently as oppose to players who have just missed some chances.

            Here is an example of what I’m talking about that I believe is local to you. Rick Nash of the NYR is someone I feel has been unjustly labeled a choker. Ignoring the fact that he has 18 points in his last 24 playoff games, he was a consistently positive player for the Rangers every time they have been to the playoffs. That’s not the same thing as always being productive because he hasn’t been but hopefully my point is clear.

          • Breakers fan

            Good post.I hadn’t read your post when I made mine but we said some of the same things, a big one being that we as fans are ultimately guessing at when excessive nerves are happening. But you don’t deny that this can and does happen. To me that’s enough to legitimize “choking” as an acceptable word/description of a real phenomenon that can happen in sports. It hurts when it’s applied to players we like but take it as a description rather than an insult and I think it hurts less.

            I also agree with your position about this Rick Nash guy, though he’s someone I hadn’t even heard of before now. If he has 18 points in his last 24 playoffs games he shouldn’t be called a choker. That said, I think it’s also possible that there were instances when nerves got the better of him – but I have no idea if that’s the case, not having seen any of his games. You know how the media is, though, it loves labels like that.

          • DNG

            Hockey player not soccer player. NYRick will understand the reference. I’ve seen him comment on him before.

            About choking. From my own personal experience I’ve had moments where. I’ve missed easy chances. Sometimes it is because of nervousness(not expecting the ball to come to me) but most of the time I just miss hit a shot or made a mistake. My overall play in those games was still rather good though.

          • Breakers fan

            Yes, I did see the hockey player part. So you acknowledge that excessive nerves can cause a mistake? And that it’s quite possible that that was what happened in those Press and Morgan and maybe Solo instances, and of course 1000s of other mistakes that have happened in sports all over the world through the ages at all levels? If you do then you may not want to use the word “choke”, you may want to say “nerves” but you agree that this can and does happen, correct? That’s really all that I’m trying to establish – is it a real thing? If so, the word, to me, is acceptable.Not that it is the explanation for every error, but that it is for some. And in the end all it says or means to me is that “wow, ok, that player is a human, not a god” and “ok, that’s something that that player can try to work on, improve upon.” It’s not a damnation to hell of that player.

          • DNG

            Yes I believe it can happen. It is pretty much impossible for the observer to know whether or not nerves are effecting a player in any given circumstance though so I prefer to just evaluate performance in relative terms to their usual performance. I prefer to use the term underperformed if I feel as if a player has done so and don’t ascribe the title of choker to anyone who has just missed a chance and then define them by it. Production is important but it isn’t the only important thing in a match

          • Breakers fan

            One would have to ask the player “Did nerves get the best of you there?” to know. And when I said “Press choked” or “Morgan choked”, I wasn’t trying to label them a choker and I said that at the time. I went on to say that they didn’t choke on every other goal in their career, but that they did in that one case. But, you are right to point out that I’m guessing when I say that. Only they know; but it’s quite possible my description was right. Even if they did, it’s ok, time moves on and as you say they may, probably did do a lot of other very good, productive things in the same game that got them to the point of being as close to the opponent as they were at the time of the miscue.

          • Steglitz49

            Morgan did not choke when she equalized 1-1. Christen sent a shot over the bar of an open goal during extra time, a goal that would have won the US the game.

            Morgan’s penalty was saved. It was not the best penalty but the goalie got the credit for saving it, as they usually do. Christen missed. The ball sailed over the bar.

          • Breakers fan

            If you check my posting history I was one who called Morgan’s equalizer vs. Sweden a huge, clutch goal and certainly the opposite of choking. Comparing the 2 PKs in question – I think both had real flaws – Morgan’s too soft, Press’s too high – but I agree that the “too high” one is worse because with the “too soft” one if the keeper went the other way it would have gone in and that was a distinct possibility, so yes, Press’s error was more egregious there.

          • Steglitz49

            As you can see from my other comments, it is clear that the public take Alex’s campaign medals into account when judging her. Her history saves her, if you like. The goalie is credited with guessing right.

            Press, oth, suffers from her reputation. Maybe her reputation had been other if she had stayed at Göteborg instead of doing her 1 second to midnight flit. A second season in Gbg might have fully developed her. We will never know.

            What we do know is that Christen helped Gbg retain the Swedish Cup scoring against her future club Tyresö. The Gbg fans loved her. She took them to the QF of the Champions League but because she had left by then they did not advance to the SF, which they surely would have done with her.

            In 2015 Christen got her WC winners medal as a passenger so on the whole she has done more than OK because he number of women who have won a WC are not too many and Marta has not, for example. Aopart from the Swedish Cup of 2012, it is the only team trophy of significance Christen has and Marta does not have it.

          • #1Fan

            No one denies Morgan has been a productive player. Personally I feel you detract from some valid points by concealing them in a bunch of irrelevance.

          • Steglitz49

            What is irrelevant?

            I would not have typed it had I not considered it relevant.

            Christen got her first NT cap before she had kicked a ball for Tyresö.

            You do not like the idea that character and breeding will out? My point is, that if you consider a WC winners medal the best a player can achieve, Christen has scaled that summit — or, more correctly, was a passenger in the train with the Veterans, while Crystal Dunn missed out.

          • #1Fan

            i consider a W Cup winner medal to be a team award that some players are excluded from simply by birth so therefore not eh best a player can achieve I consider that to be a productive career at the pinnacle of the chosen sport.. Defining any player by International competition is not wise. The problem with WoSo is there is really nothing else of relevance. The best do not play the best at Club level. O consider your comments re Press leaving to be irrelevant.

          • Steglitz49

            I have asked you before: are you argumentative as a hobby?

            A very few players are blessed with having a reputation in spite of not winning a major international competition. In WoSo the most obvious one is Marta.

            Now we could discuss why Marta is held in such a high regard in spite of failing to win either a WC or an OG.

            Likewise, for all Louisa Necib’s elegance and skill, she is lumped in with being symptomatic of why France are repeat offenders, having failed in 2009, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2015 and 2016. It may not be Louisa’s fault but she is tarred with that brush — and for good reason because they are cream-puffs.

          • #1Fan

            I dont agree.. And simply disagreeing with you does not make a person argumentative.

          • Steglitz49

            What do you not agree with?

            That Marta is an exceptional player? That she is held in the highest of regards as a player in spite of losing in finals and semifinals.

            Do you disagree with my analysis that the French WNT are the mega underachievers of WoSo?

            What are you disagreeing with? Yourself? Paper tigers?

          • #1Fan

            A very few players are blessed with having a reputation in spite of not winning a major international competition. In WoSo the most obvious one is Marta.

            that statement is wildly inaccurate

            Very few ? hardly.

          • Steglitz49

            Who do you want to name?

            Lotta Schelin, Caroline Seger, Nilla Fischer, Jessica Samuelsson, Stina Blackstenius?

            Christine Sinclair?

          • #1Fan

            A very few players are blessed with having a reputation in spite of not winning a major international competition.

            Your statement . You then go on to name WoSo examples.

            if you read my post , i said

            The problem with WoSo is there is really nothing else of relevance. The best do not play the best at Club level.

            i laid it out pretty clearly. There are many athletes across many sports who do not need a medal to be considered to have a reputation. Because WoSo has no profile and no real best vs best club competitions, people in the USA talk WC and OG.

            If you want to go with WoSo then look at all the great British players. Kim Little, Fishlock , Kelly Smith, ….Sun Wen ,Sincalis , even Sundhage the list is pretty long relative to the number of quality players i have seen over the last 20 years. In fact a meaningful percentage do not have medals. By your logic , a big reputation can only come from one of a few countries. . So yes, I disagree with your contention. QED

          • Steglitz49

            Pia Sundhage scored the first goal by a woman at Wembley. Carolina Morace went one better the year after when she scored 4.

            Of course you can make a list as long as woman’s arm and keep adding names to it. Jess has a Champions League winners medal to her name. Though she did not play in the final, having preferred to return to Seattle, Frankfurt asked for her to receive a medal which was granted. Mandy Islacker stole the show with a spectacular goal in injury time but was not picked for WC-15.

            But. Truly exceptional players are rare.

          • DNG

            I think it goes beyond just winning big international tournaments to create a reputation. Production in big matches seems to matter a lot as well. Because JJ scores some poorly defended set piece goals in the WC a majority of the world picks her for the best XI over Sauerbrunn.

          • HOFCToDi

            Christen Press
            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
            16 Jun 2015
            USA 1 NGA 0
            Minutes Played 0

            resources.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/02/65/00/60/eng_31_0616_nga-usa_fulltime.pdf

            Christen Press was BENCHED!

            Christen Press
            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
            30 Jun 2015
            USA 2 GER 0
            Minutes Played 0

            resources.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/02/65/52/49/eng_49_0630_usa-ger_fulltime.pdf

            Christen Press was BENCHED!

            Christen Press
            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
            05 Jul 2015
            USA 5 JPN 2
            Minutes Played 0

            resources.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/02/66/12/93/eng_52_0705_usa-jpn_fulltime.pdf

            Christen Press was BENCHED!

            Christen Press
            International Women’s Friendly
            21 Oct 2015
            USA 1 BRA 1
            Minutes Played 0

            foxsports.com/soccer/boxscore?id=24140

            Christen Press was BENCHED!

            Christen Press
            International Women’s Friendly
            25 Oct 2015
            USA 3 BRA 1
            Minutes Played 0

            foxsports.com/soccer/boxscore?id=24141

            Christen Press was BENCHED!

            Nevermind Christen Press started eleven of the first twelve matches for the USWNT in calendar year 2015.

            ussoccer.com/womens-national-team/lineups/2015-lineups

            ROFLMAO!

          • HOFCToDi

            Christen Press
            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
            Quarterfinals
            26 Jun 2015
            USA 1 CHN 0
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 2, Shots on Goal 0

            resources.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/02/65/35/93/eng_45_0626_chn-usa_fulltime.pdf
            Which two players on the USWNT roster registered a shot on goal?

          • HOFCToDi

            Christen Press has become irrelevant:

            garbage time
            tomato cans

          • #1Fan

            I would add that simply achieving the desired result does NOT meantthat the pressure did not get to you. I have seen many a poorly hit, scuffed shot go in. I have also see well struck, well executed shots brilliantly saved. Its not a simple topic and to see people simplistically throw out labels is annoying.

            Im with DNG here. i hate to read “moments ” in games from people on here as justification of certain player traits. Players have well established traits and tendencies. I dont believe these change very often. Just because a player has moments in a game, it does not change that.

          • Steglitz49

            There is an old Arab proverb. It goes roughly like this:
            — If someone tells you that the mountain has moved, believe him, but if he tells you that a certain man has changed his character, don’t.

            There is another one, of which make what you want:
            — It is better to have a crust of bread and a piece of cheese than to hold the key to the golden door but be kicked in the eye by a broody camel.

          • Breakers fan

            That’s another aspect of “performance” and statistics – the pure luck, chance aspect of them, and you’re quite right to point that out.

            As far as the other point, every player’s legacy consists of 1000s of moments, each moment she was ever on the field. They’re all important, pretty much equally. You can look at all of them and talk about them, moment by moment if you want – that’s allowed – but I’m with you that all of them should be looked at and that not excessive weight should be given to just a few. That said, I do feel that it’s also ok to look at big moments in big games as one more aspect of defining a player’s legacy.

          • Steglitz49

            Yes and no.

            Today Helmut Rahn is remembered for one thing: scoring the winning goal in the EC-54 final.

            Rahn not only scored the winner. He also scored the 2-2 equalizer and he also passed for the 1-2 clawback goal. — Also, until Gerd “the Bomber” Mueller, Rahn was the top scorer for Germany. But, he is remembered for that winning goal.

            Hedvig Lindahl has had a chequered career and is generally considered a patchy goalie but OG-16 was her stage. She got the Diamond-ball the year before and got it again for 2016. Did she lose Sweden WC-11? Nobody cares today.

          • #1Fan

            perception of a player can be altered by “moments”. I dont accept isolated “moments” as changing the nature of a player.

          • Steglitz49

            We are back to my Arab proverb of ca 40 min ago, are we not?

          • #1Fan

            the proverb you wrote after others had basically said the same thing?

          • Steglitz49

            As I noted before, this whole section of comments was stimulated by “sam” (whoever “sam” may be) writing that
            — “Christen Press needs to do something in a high pressure game (quality opponent or tournament, even something dumb like the Shiba Leaves cup) for me to think she deserves the praise heaped on her here”

            My Arab proverbs are in keeping with that sentiment.

          • mockmook

            I’d argue that we as empathetic creatures can “read minds” to a certain degree — we can “feel” what someone is feeling by watching their face, their reactions, their movement.

            So, I think we can often/sometimes “feel” when a player misses a shot (or makes another type of mistake) because they “choked”.

          • DNG

            How do you differentiate between a choke and a miss hit? I think you are likely to see the player’s emotion. I don’t think it matters if a player misses because pressure impacted their performance or not the emotion is going to be the same. The potential dismay is not necessarily indicative of a “choke” at least to me.

          • mockmook

            I’m not saying it is fool proof, but sometimes you just know.

            That’s my opinion.

          • DNG

            Alright fair enough

          • HOFCToDi

            A USWNT player’s legacy”

            Tournament performances
            FIFA Top 10 Ranked performances

            End of story.

            en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_Women%27s_World_Rankings#Importance_of_the_match

            As for the Senior USWNT, beating up on tomato cans at international women’s friendlies is worthless. The U-23 USWNT would benefit more from the aforementioned matches.

          • HOFCToDi

            A Senior USWNT player’s “legacy”:

            Christen Press

            Senior USWNT
            International Tournaments

            2013 Algarve Cup – 1 goal(s)
            2014 Algarve Cup – 1 goal(s)
            2015 Algarve Cup – 1 goal(s)
            2016 SheBelieves Cup – 0 goal(s)
            2016 CONCACAF Women’s Olympic Qualifying – 2 goal(s)
            2016 Summer Olympic Games – 0 goal(s)
            2014 CONCACAF Women’s Championship – 2 goal(s)
            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup – 1 goal(s)
            To sum up the tournament performances in one word:
            ANEMIC

          • HOFCToDi

            A Senior USWNT player’s “legacy”:

            Christen Press
            Senior USWNT
            International Tournaments
            2014 CONCACAF Women’s Championship – 2 goal(s)
            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup – 1 goal(s)

            Carli Lloyd
            Senior USWNT
            International Tournaments
            2014 CONCACAF Women’s Championship – 5 goal(s)
            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup – 6 goal(s)

            Christen Press
            Senior USWNT
            International Tournaments
            2014 CONCACAF Women’s Championship – 1 assist(s)
            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup – 0 assist(s)

            Carli Lloyd
            Senior USWNT
            International Tournaments
            2014 CONCACAF Women’s Championship – 4 assist(s)
            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup – 1 assist(s)

            The comparison provides perspective.

          • Steglitz49

            Karina Maruyama scored 14 goals in her 76 matches for Japan. Of those 10 was against tomato-cans and 2 were in friendlies against Australia and Germany.

            The goal Karina will always be remembered for is the 1-0 winner against Germany in WC-11 in Germany in the QF.

            Her other significant goal was in a WC qualification play-off against Mexico, that Japan won 2-0.

          • HOFCToDi

            A Senior USWNT player’s “legacy”:

            Christen Press
            Senior USWNT
            International Tournaments
            2013 Algarve Cup – 1 goal(s), 0 assist(s)
            2014 Algarve Cup – 1 goal(s), 0 assist(s)
            2015 Algarve Cup – 1 goal(s), 1 assist(s)

            Carli Lloyd
            Senior USWNT
            International Tournaments
            2007 Algarve Cup – 4 goal(s), ? assist(s)

            en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Algarve_Cup

          • mockmook

            Howdy,

            Just thought you’d like to know that AWK has returned from the grave 🙂

            And, he has a very interesting post up that confirms a lot of what our eyes were telling us:

            http://www.allwhitekit.com/?p=15191

            Am interested in your thoughts if you read it and wish to share.

          • Breakers fan

            Howdy! Just haven’t had much to add of late and have been busy elsewhere. Thanks for sending this to me. Although it’s not something I’ve put a lot of time and thought into I’m wary of quantification and metrics used to determine a player’s Final worth, though at the same time I do not dismiss them. I just add that grain or 3 of salt. Above all I’m an “eye test” type of fan. I watch games and players and I let my eyes tell me who I think are the best players. Implicit in this eye test orientation I think is that over time — a large sample size — the cream will rise to the top, but in smaller sample sizes and with select criteria then you can get varied results from metrics.

            I do see that a lot of “our” players are very high on this list, which is nice and reassuring to see.

            The value of his rankings depends utterly on the value of his 4 factors. They seem like decent choices. But if I had to play critic about them I would say:

            1. How many shots does it take a player to score? This can possibly hurt the industrious forward who is attacking goal, working hard and often to create chances (maybe because she is clearly the best forward on the team) and so takes a lot of shots and maybe doesn’t score on as high a % of them. Her team may rely on her to take the lion’s share of their shots, she may have even be told by her coach to do so, and in this metric she may get penalized for her hard work to even get shots off in the first place, as a lower % of them may score.

            2. Shots on goal – standard. As I’ve said before, what I don’t like about this is how a slow roller or a soft shot right at the keeper gets a 100 while a rocket that beats/fools the keeper but misses the post by an inch gets a 0 in this metric.

            3. Goals vs RPI top 50, top 100: This is good but it does hurt the potential exceptional forward who wasn’t highly recruited and thus ended up on a team who simply doesn’t play against that many top 50 team. Though I like how he adds the top 100 also, in consideration of this factor.

            Definitely some new names here from Henderson, which I appreciate. The guy really seems passionate about the sport and I like how wide-ranging he tries to be in the pool of players from which he considers. I will probably look on-line for video of the Seniors he lists who I don’t know.

            Getting excited about the draft! I will call out of work on January 12th at 3pm EST if I have to! Will you be able to watch it live?

          • mockmook

            Thanks for the reply!!!

            Here is my off-the-cuff critique of the numbers after looking at his results for the 2016 Draft Class:

            http://disq.us/p/1exf9ql

            http://www.allwhitekit.com/?p=14871

            ————–

            Your “1” sounds an awful lot like a defense of K.Mewii 🙂

            I may be able to swing a live viewing — would definitely help the accuracy of my draft projections if I can factor in any/some late trades.

            Oh, BTW, coincidentally, at the moment I have Vasconcelos going to the Breakers at pick #11 — of course that will change 20 more times before the actual draft.

            Anyway, glad to see you back on the case!!!

          • Breakers fan

            Have you done a new mockdraft recently that I haven’t seen? If so, please link me to it! 🙂

            About K. Mewii – I honestly wasn’t picturing her per se when I responded but I bet she did figure into my thinking sub-consciously. I just don’t like the notion of a player being maybe penalized for doing the work of creating shot chances when perhaps no one or very few others on her team are either able to do so or willing to do so. Gonna be weird having a more split rooting allegiance this coming year. My favorite 2 Breakers from last year, 3 if you count Pathman, 4 if you count Schillgard, are gone and now Washington looms as a 2nd favorite for me.

            I don’t really know about predictive and effective Henderson’s formula is in evaluating, projecting forwards.I appreciate that he is trying, going in the direction that other sports are going but I’m just not fully on board that train, generally. I like what rkmid71 added for things that should be considered also in a player.

          • mockmook

            BTW, I just noticed that TDS updated their ranking of the top 100 upper-classmen:

            http://www.topdrawersoccer.com/college-soccer/college-national-top-100/women

            The data never stops — you can’t stop the signal, Mal…

            OK, here is my latest on the Draft, but again, this is very fluid:

            Beta 8.0

            01 . Breakers — Jordan ( F ) – Florida
            02 . Flash — Buchanan ( D ) – WVU
            03 . Breakers — Lavelle ( M ) – Wisconsin
            04 . Sky Blue — Mills, K ( D/M ) – USC
            05 . FCKC — Freeman ( D/M ) – USC
            06 . Reign — Driesse ( M ) – PSU
            07 . Flash — Andrews ( M ) – USC
            08 . Red Stars — Gibbons ( D/M ) – Duke
            09 . Breakers — Campbell ( GK ) – Stanford
            10 . Sky Blue — Hatch ( F ) – BYU
            11 . Breakers — Vasconcelos ( M/F ) – BYU
            12 . Breakers — Shaffer ( M ) – Virginia
            13 . FCKC — Fletcher ( M ) – Cal
            14 . Thorns — Kolander ( F ) – Minnesota
            15 . Dash — Proffitt ( D/M ) – Marquette
            16 . Breakers — Cephers ( M ) – Va Tech
            17 . FCKC — Paul ( D ) – Georgetown
            18 . Flash — Smith, E ( D ) – Rutgers
            19 . Spirit — Damaska ( F ) – Georgetown
            20 . Thorns — Payne ( M/F ) – Duke
            21 . Breakers — Johnston, M ( D ) – Va Tech
            22 . Pride — Dougherty Howard ( M ) – Florida
            23 . Sky Blue — Bauer ( D ) – Stanford
            24 . Sky Blue — Drennan ( M ) – S.Carolina
            25 . FCKC — Castleberry ( M ) – UNC
            26 . Reign — Hill, R ( F ) – UConn
            27 . Thorns — Lachowecki ( F ) – Miami (FL)
            28 . Red Stars — Ramsier, C ( M ) – Auburn
            29 . Spirit — Alvarado ( M ) – UCLA
            30 . Sky Blue — Delaney ( D ) – Georgetown
            31 . Breakers — Wagner ( D ) – Clemson
            32 . Pride — Jenkins ( F ) – UCLA
            33 . Dash — Crowley ( D ) – FSU
            34 . Sky Blue — Prudhomme ( GK ) – USC
            35 . FCKC — Watson ( GK ) – TTU
            36 . Spirit — Miranda ( D/M ) – UCLA
            37 . Reign — Kelley ( M ) – Arkansas
            38 . Red Stars — Beal ( D ) – Minnesota
            39 . Red Stars — Boyles ( M ) – UNC
            40 . Thorns — Medeiros ( M ) – BYU

          • Breakers fan

            Appreciate your efforts!!

            I think you’re pretty close to what will happen — it’s so hard to predict with exactitude! — but, and don’t take this the wrong way, here I’ll state some things in your draft about which we differ. Just know there are many we agree about. I’ll say at the outset that you have 15 players listed who really are just names to me. Meaning: I am not familiar with them as players to any significant, meaningful degree. That’s my shortcoming. So I simply can’t comment about them.

            1. Not sure if the Breakers will take Jordan first. I hope they do but I’m personally leaning towards thinking their #s 1 and 3 will be Lavelle and Andrews, the local connection of the latter playing somewhat of a role. 2. I think Driesse will go a lot lower.
            3. Though it wouldn’t bother me and I see the sense in it I predict the Breakers do not take Campbell with #9. So much of this depends on Abby Smith’s recovery and if they feel that a comparable keeper to Campbell will be available much later on, thus freeing up that #9 pick.
            4. Four other players I think will be selected a good deal sooner than you do: In no particular order: Beal, Bauer, Jenkins and gonna say someone you clued me into: Lachoweckie.

            Other notes: I tried to see Damaska clips on youtube and didn’t find that easy to do but AWK reports her numbers to be fantastic so I’m newly intrigued by her.

            A comment in AWK clued me into 2 Illinois St. players who are compelling: Laurie Koehl, 17 goals, Missouri Valley Conf, player of the year, stands 5’9″ and CB Paige Jarsombeck, who I now hope the Breakers take but predict CRS does. Between those 2 players and Depaul’s Abby Reed you may now have the names of several future Red Stars. You heard it here first!

            I like how Miranda is now in your draft. I like her a lot but I’m not sure she’ll get chosen.

            Interesting that 2 UVA defenders have dropped out of your picks: McNabb and Cox. I think both will get chosen, at least 1, but I think both should. That said, as you have pointed out, 40 picks ain’t enough to fit in all the good Seniors.

            Two I think you’ve missed: Ifeoma and Clemson’s Atanda.

            I like you giving the Thorns more speed up front with Payne. I like you keeping Dougherty-Howard in Florida. I’d be happy if the Breakers got any of the 3 very good BYU Seniors. 1st choice for me would be Hatch, 2nd Vasconcelos, and 3rd Medeiros but I like them all a good deal. I hope the Breakers pick Erin Smith.

            Of the 15 I don’t know I most want to see Driesse, Fletcher, Ramsier, Proffitt.

            I think if Annie Alvarado gets picked it’ll be very cool, but i think her chances are 50-50, maybe less. Hope I’m wrong as I like her.

            That’s about it!

          • mockmook

            Never apologize for criticism or a difference of opinion (unless it is gratuitous or insincere).

            Appreciate all your feedback.

            I think the only one I haven’t seen at all is Profitt. Still, I don’t have the time to study these players (and all the alternatives) in depth — so, I depend on places like AWK and TDS (and even feedback from people like you) to help me rank them. I also looked at whether a player had gotten “recent” USA NT call ups.

            None of Onumonu, Atanda, McNabb, and Cox are rated super high.

            If I had to bet on one, it would be Atanda — her stats and accolades certainly lead one to think she would make it, but somehow I never really noticed her when watching Clemson (perhaps too much time watching Mackin or the other ACC team’s players).

            Finally, yes, the Abby Smith situation is a wild card — but, they could always trade Campbell (or Smith) if they end up not needing both.

          • Breakers fan

            Thanks.

            One thing I think is key to keep in mind about the draft. But it’s also something we’ll *never* be privy to, unless afterwards a coach or GM makes some comment about it.

            Maybe it’s 2 things. One is: Do the coaches and GM’s of NWSL teams even consult the AWK and TDS lists? Let’s say they do. The next question is: How much weight do they give it *compared to* the weight they give what their own eyes tell them as they watch games and also, maybe just as or more importantly, how much weight compared to their conversations with college head coaches. Let’s say Parsons calls Swanson to talk about his Seniors and Swanson really gives high praise about McNabb or Cox or Shaffer, or a combo of them. Who do you think Parsons is going to trust, listen to more – a Chris Henderson list or the words coming out of the mouth of Steve Swanson? Rhetorical question, of course.

            A lot of what I said about those players – McNabb, Cox, Atanda, Unomonu came from my personal eye-test and youtube viewings, and with the last one there’s that factor of her profile – tall and fast at the forward position that I think teams will like in a projection/upside sense.

            With the Breakers and keepers — I personally was just as impressed with a few keepers as much as I was with Campbell. 2 that come to mind are Clemson’s Sheridan and UNC’s Harris, also Long Beach State’s McKeown, and I’m hoping they feel the same way, because I think we need help elsewhere more, though I do like and agree with how you are addressing this position with respect to them. It may be more serious than I was thinking.

          • mockmook

            The Breakers have so many picks, I think they should try to upgrade everywhere — the player may not take over, but at least create the opportunity.

            But, you may be right that they can try to upgrade at GK with a later pick.

            BTW, I see that Unomonu has track speed.

            And, you were referencing the speed Payne adds to the Thorns.

            Well, Kolander also has track speed, so the Thorns will be doubly blessed!!!

          • Steglitz49

            Mewis please, with the “s” on the end. Her name is Mewis.

            (The plural ought to be Mewids, which makes me think or Norma, but as Kristie is one and indivisible Mewis it is.)

          • DNG

            What I would like to implore people to do more is to define a player by their performance, not just by moments in a match. Also, one or two matches does not define a player’s career. I will expand a little more on this later when I have time.

          • Breakers fan

            Agree, but everything a player does is part of her/his “performance”, warts and all. But I get the point of your statement -look at the big picture,the long lens over years of time, rather than fixation on moments using the microscope ONLY.

          • HOFCToDi

            USWNT Career
            FIFA Top 10 Ranked Opponents
            USWNT Goals Scored
            Morgan (DOB 02 Jul 1989) – 34
            Leroux (DOB 07 May 1990) – 8
            Press (DOB 29 Dec 1988) – 3
            Johnston (DOB 06 Apr 1992) – 2
            Dunn (DOB 03 Jul 1992) – 2
            Horan (DOB 26 May 1994) – 2
            Mewis (DOB 09 Oct 1992) – 1

          • HOFCToDi

            Calendar Year 2016
            FIFA Top 10 Ranked Opponents
            USWNT Goals Scored
            Morgan (DOB 02 Jul 1989) – 6
            Horan (DOB 26 May 1994) – 2
            Dunn (DOB 03 Jul 1992) – 1
            Heath (DOB 29 May 1988) – 1
            Johnston (DOB 06 Apr 1992) – 1
            Lloyd (DOB 16 Jul 1982) – 1
            Mewis (DOB 09 Oct 1992) – 1
            By the way, Christen Press is not on the list.

          • HOFCToDi

            Sydney Leroux has done more for US Soccer than Christen Press dating back to calendar year 2008.

          • Steglitz49

            This string started with “sam” — whoever “sam” is — writing:
            — “Christen Press needs to do something in a high pressure game (quality opponent or tournament, even something dumb like the Shiba Leaves cup) for me to think she deserves the praise heaped on her here.”

            The question, therefore, boils down to: do the writers here consider that nerves got the better of Christen in Brasilia? — Judging by her body language when she walked up to take the kick: yes. — Also, several commentators have criticized Ellis for appointing Press to take the 5th kick, again suggesting that there was concern that she might not cope with the pressue. — Then in the SF of the NWSL with the net yawning, she hit the crossbar. — QED, you might type.

          • NYRick

            Let’s go to MJ’s famous Nike commercial (“I’ve failed over and over, and that’s why I succeed…”). Now in that commercial MJ says something like, 27 times my team has entrusted me with taking the last shot of a game for the win and I failed.

            Here’s the point. A player (even the great ones) have to be put in the position to really win and become a hero. For every Bobby Nystrom or Joe Carter there is a superstar in their respective sport who never got that type of moment. Brady lost twice to Eli in the SB. He needed a miracle vapor lock by Pete Carroll not giving the ball to Lynch on the one or he has another SB loss. The great Bobby Orr in hockey is remembered for his Cup winning flying in the air goal to beat the way overmatched St. Louis Blues of that year. The Bruins were up 3-0 in games when that goal occurred. But it’s a play that is fixated in hockey fans and historians minds forever. Orr won the Cup for the Bruins on that play.

          • Steglitz49

            The problem with using the pso in Brasilia as an example is that while Christen sending the ball over the bar simply cemented her reputation for not coping with pressure, by and large Alex penalty being saved has been credited to the keeper.

            It did not help Christen that she missed after Lisa Dahlkvist had coped with Hopes gamesmanship and antics. Also hitting the crossbar in the NWSL semifinal just added to her ledger.

            Carli shot the ball over the bar in the WC-11 pso. She suffered for that but had that winning goal in OG-08 to lean back on and then quickly got the 2 goals in OG-12. Both Heath and Boxx benefited from the PR-machine cranking up the WC-11 final as an unfortunate loss against the run of play while it really was a game the US threw away.

          • NYRick

            I’m not pitting one against the other in terms of the Morgan miss and the Press miss for the PK, but seriously, a miss is a miss. Both players were aiming or trying to score by placing the ball in a spot they thought the keeper wouldn’t reach. From a personal standpoint when watching, I did groan more watching Press’s shot sail so high, but I’ve also seen some of the best male soccer players in the world do the same as well in similar spots.

            Let me ask you a baseball question that you may not fully understand if you are not a fan of the sport. Do you think current Cubs first baseman Anthony Rizzo (who by the way is a helluva player and hitter) is better or will have a better career than legendary HOFer Cub Ernie Banks (who never got to play in a World Series? Rizzo has his ring already. We tend to overrate playing on a championship caliber team. It doesn’t make them better players or “clutch” players, just very fortunate players in terms of timing and such.

          • Steglitz49

            The weakness of your case is that Christen has a WC winners medal while Lisa Dahlkvist and Lotta Schelin do not. Sweden beat the US in WC-11 when Dahlkvist scored from the spot but it was in a group match.

            We can make a long list of all the WoSo players who lost out on winning the WC but there ought then be a special category for those Veterans who did not get included in WC-15 and worse — Crystal Dunn may end up in that list.

            Nobody has ever claimed that Canada in 1981 choked. They were simply outplayed by the Soviets; taken apart and found wanting.

            Börje Salming is still the great defenseman of all time. The reception he gets in Toronto after all these years is still something and the one he got in 1976 amazing. Börje never won the Stanley Cup.

          • NYRick

            Salming was great and one of the best, but the consensus best is always Bobby Orr. He revolutionized the sport and the position like none before, or really after him. I view Orr from a sports perspective, much like I view Lawrence Taylor in football. Their impacts were felt by coaching staffs literally changing game plans to account for their unique skill sets, and for a cadre of young players who they influenced. Or of course MJ in basketball. Kobe Bryant has said that as a youth he watched MJ’s “Come Fly with Me” video literally hundreds of times.

            The great ones make their mark in immeasurable ways.

          • Steglitz49

            Your opinion is well taken and hard to disagree with. An IIHF Centenial All-Star team was voted. The 6 players were
            — Goalie: Vladislav Tretiak (Soviet Union)
            — First DF: Viacheslav Fetisov (Soviet Union)
            — 2nd DF: Börje Salming (Sweden)
            — First winger: Valeri Kharlamov (Soviet Union)
            — 2nd winger: Sergei Makarov (Soviet Union)
            — Centre: Wayne Gretzky (Canada)

            Maybe only Soviets voted?
            This was before the rise of the Finns in European hockey and the Czechs and Slovaks seem hard done by.

          • Steglitz49

            I put it to you that because Rick Nash plays as a winger, you simply illustrate how difficult it is to find examples of defenders, incl goalies, who are described as “choking”.

            Choking is used to describe players who do not deliver the goods when it matters. You can use if for a biathlete (skishooter) who misses a critical shot, the shot that would have won her the race but because she misses she doesn’t and even ends up at #7 or #10.

          • DNG

            I only used that example because I know Rick had previously been critical of said player and was trying to expand how he thought about the subject from a different perspective.

          • Steglitz49

            OK. Fair enough.

          • Breakers fan

            I really like these sentences in your post: “It usually doesn’t matter how poorly someone played in the first 90 if they score to win the match in stoppage time. They get remembered for that game-winning goal in that circumstance.” That bothers me too, and especially in such instances in which the assist for that goal was clearly the tougher play, the crucial one in the goal happening and the praise is heaped 80-90% to the goal scorer.

          • NYRick

            I’m a big Rangers fan and know Nash very well. I think his Rangers playoff label came in the run to the finals a couple of years ago, especially against the Kings. I personally think he’s a great player and the tag is undeserved. His overall game shows me a great back-checking forward who performs brilliantly on a penalty kill as well. But…he does get paid the big bucks to put the puck in the net…in the big spots, and a Patrick Kane he is not in that scenario. Due to his size and occasional dominance people expected him to be like a Mario Lemieux when he came here, and that’s just unfair.

            This choker thing is complex because it does depend on just performing at just the right time or really getting the right bounce. Take Morgan’s tying goal against Sweden at this past OG. That was an extremely lucky bounce right to her for a great chance, which to her credit she converted. Overall, I don’t think she had a particularly great match, but she is remembered for being a clutch player for that tying goal.

          • Steglitz49

            It is by definition much more difficult to define “choking” for players who play defensive roles incl goalies. We tend instead to use phrases like “she misjudged the ball” or even “X has never played well in the NT”. When the errors mount up, the player is given the heave-ho.

            It is also more traditional to be forgiving to defenders, incl goalies.

            It is the job a forward to score goals and goals are hard currency. They are categorical: either scored or not. Thus, if the net is open and you hit the post or the crossbar, it does not look good. Once a player gets a reputation for such misses …

            Granted refereeing errors may rob a player of a good goal (Lotta Schelin in Brasilia is a recent example) or allow a player a goal that should not have counted but those are not considered choking by the ref — just incompetence.

          • Breakers fan

            It’s good this word – “choking” — is getting looked at in more depth. I’ve used it in relation to Press and I would add Alex’s PK miss in the OG too while I’m at it, so I feel an obligation to respond. I’m fine with the word because I think it has an analogous physical root in describing a physical phenomenon. What happens during a “choke”, I think, is a sort of physical seizing up — as you put it, “failing to deliver due to fear or nerves”. It’s a physiological thing. It’s like the world is collapsing on you and it changes the way you normally do things. It is similar to physically choking.

            When one *doesn’t* choke one remains calm, relaxed and one’s physical delivery doesn’t alter. Press would have stayed down and over that PK more and delivered a clean, straight follow-through; and in the NWSL semi she would have just relaxedly placed that ball into the net; and Alex would have been able to strike her well-placed PK a lot harder or wouldn’t have telegraphed it due to nerves prior to the kick – if indeed she did telegraph it.

            That said, I totally agree with you that it can and should be used at times for players in other positions, if appropriate. I would call Solo’s gaffe on Colombia’s first free kick goal a choke.

            I will also add that one can’t get around the fact that we as fans are guessing, speculating that this physical change (“a choke”) is happening. They may be relaxed but it seems like they are succumbing to the enormity of the moment with too many nerves. Maybe another way of defining choke is: “Not doing what you usually can and what you need to do for your team in a very important moment.” The choking part is an attempt by the observer to describe why that happens.

            Mistakes aren’t always due to what I would call choking but I know they aren’t confined to forwards shooting at goal. A player can get overly nervous at any point in the game or at any point on the field, but mistakes also occur due to other explanations,if we want to be nuanced about this, and I think we should. They can occur due to over-confidence or non-chalantness (thinking everything’s fine when it isn’t) – in this case it might involve a player not seeing the field well, missing a nearby opponent, and thus committing a turnover. Or someone just not being very good at a sport. They may have been relaxed but just aren’t co-ordinated or strong enough to do what they’re trying to do.

            So, for me, I try to limit it to instances of composure deserting a player; and I have to admit that since I’m not living the moment inside the player’s body and mind I’m sort of guessing at when that happens, working backwards from observation of the play to trying to guess at what was going on in the player’s mind at that moment. I do have experience in this matter. I felt it mostly in basketball and tennis – in practice, in warm-up, I’d be totally relaxed, but once the match or game started I would at certain times kind of seize up and I would go from being able to hit ground strokes fully to hitting them at about 1/4 the pace and in basketball – I was the point guard – at times my vision of the court would decrease and I would make a bad pass. I hated it, but it happened, and so that is why I feel that “choking” is a legitimate description of what can happen to an athlete during competition. I use it not so much as a scathing insult but rather as a description of a physical phenomenon that does occur.

          • #1Fan

            Ty for the response. Im glad others have spoken up on this issue.

          • Breakers fan

            The next place to go in this discussion is: How to overcome nerves? How to not choke? Since it’s….I want to change my definition of it to “it’s a mental phenomenon that manifests itself physiologically”. So if its origin is mental or psychological, how to keep it from happening? Somehow I think a player needs to find a way to stay calm, stay ’empty’, relaxed. Instead of one’s body filling with concrete, or tension, it should attempt to stay hollow, to allow one to do the act the same way one has when one has done it well. Breathing I think is a big part of this. Staying confident, keeping the mind relaxed, empty is something I think a player can work on and improve in. Having success after a failure can help with this. Press’s PK success in the NWSL after the OG has helped her, I’m sure, going forward. It takes time but it is something that a a player can work on.

          • DNG

            Confidence and experience is key to solid performance in high pressure matches I’d argue that the mental aspect may be more important in such situations than the physical aspect. The only way I have found to improve is to gain more experience. When you feel prepared you are less likely to react out of fear. Confidence also feeds of itself both positively and negatively.

          • Breakers fan

            I agree with you – that the basis is mental. The good thing about that is that it can be worked on. I like this especially in your post: “when you feel prepared you are less likely to act out of fear.” Nevertheless we see that even for people with as much experience playing soccer as Press and Morgan – if my theory of nerves in those instances is correct – the top of the profession are still subject to possible moments of nerves. I don’t know how much the USWNT talks about the mental aspects of playing, nor how much other nations’ teams do, but I bet they do to some extent. Even with that, though, it’s something each player herself needs to finds ways of finding what works best for her. The key is developing the ability to stay calm and focused. It may help if you think it’s really easy to do.

          • DNG

            If you are talking about the pk misses I would argue that they don’t have a lot of experience in a pso at all let alone a psoduring the Olympics. Those situations are rather difficult to replicate

          • Breakers fan

            I’m talking about everything and just the overall ability, no matter the circumstance, to do what I described above. That’s idealism but that’s what I’m talking about. The ability to control your mind at all times. But you make a good point that those situations are quite rare.

          • mockmook

            I think some of this can be overcome through “mind games”, but I think some of it is just “genetic” and some people are better at it than others.

          • mockmook

            I think Solo solved this: A stiff drink and a doobie — wait, I didn’t say that out loud did I? 😉

          • Breakers fan

            If you happen to know: How much is the mental aspect of performance addressed on a) your daughter’s team; b) the YNT teams? Thanks.

          • #1Fan

            1 – Never
            2 – it is , but iI dont think in a good way. There is a belief that pitting players against each other ion practice is always good. Not sure I agree. Kids are forced to deal with the issues that can create by leaning on each other. At times the perception is tha talking to staff about it is weakness.

          • Breakers fan

            Not terribly surprised about #1. It’s something your daughter, or another player on her team, then, has to think about herself, or with her parents or teammates, which can be done, but would have to come from her own initiative.

            #2: can you clarify your sentence, please, about “Kids are forced to deal with…” – I think it didn’t come out exactly the way you intended it to.

            Next I would wonder how much it’s addressed on the Senior team? Do you know? And lastly I’d want to contrast that with Japan’s approach to addressing the mental aspects of performance, as they strike me as the team most likely to address it and do so the most effectively, based on watching them play.

          • #1Fan

            i mean that when there is a crisis of confidence, a weak drill or bad performance , the kids will not discuss the mental aspect with the USSF staff. they are more likely to talk to each other about it. talking to the staff and saying – I need help with the mental side of things – is perceived as “weakness” . I dont think USSF intend it that way, but they have to change that perception.

          • Breakers fan

            It’s a shame that exists within the culture at the highest level. Awful. It should be the opposite of that and it’s something quite within the power of the coaching staff to change going forward.

          • #1Fan

            I hope I was clear. This is the warrior mentality that the old school NT players seem to think is so great. I think its important to have a level of toughness, but I also think its ok to ask for help. The whole , this one earned it in Camp mentality has many layers to it. Im just talking about the metal aspect of that. There are players who need a kick and some who need an arm around them. There are some who can go to Camp and give their best day one. Others need time to adjust and yes —–help.

          • Breakers fan

            Do you think or know if the following ever happens on YNT teams, at any age level, or on the Senior team: The players all gather together in the room, like for a film session, and the subject is “the mental aspect of performance”. A sort of lecture, perhaps with guest speakers, people thought of as experts in the field. That’s the whole reason for this meeting, to talk about this.And it may happen not just once but on various occasions. You do hear about sports psychologists being used and that seems similar, or maybe the same to this; but I’m not talking so much about pep talks to fire up the ranks, I’m talking about the more perhaps zen aspects of how to perform well generally at a sport. Does that happen, do you know? Sounds like it doesn’t, at least at the younger levels.

            I think you’re right about how each player is different and has different needs and timetables and that toughness – the ability to figure things out oneself, to get through tough times through one’s own resources — is a good thing. I also agree with you that the culture should be one in which it’s ok to talk about anything with the coaching staff without fear of reprisal or being labeled as “weak” or “needy”. I hope that isn’t the case.

          • #1Fan

            yes it does. Kobe Bryant came to speak to the kids about that last year.

            And its def the perception that its weak. the staff need to work on that. The whole , she needs to deliver in camp mantra adds to that. it should be , its OUR job to create an environment in which we see the best of player A. we want her to show us more, becasue WE selected her in the first place FOR A REASON. not just to come here and fail becasue we did not provide enough support.

          • Steglitz49

            #1Fan is on the money. It seems all countries do it and the motivational speaker is not necessarily from their sport.

          • HOFCToDi

            A philosophical discussion from a female legend:

            youtube.com/watch?v=pivXUhLwfbo

          • Stegpitz49

            no one cares about swimming, especially here. go away.

          • Breakers fan

            THIS looks interesting,thanks. I’ll check it out after the men’s NCAA semis.

          • HOFCToDi

            Janet Evans talks about expectations and pressure.

          • HOFCToDi

            ROFLMAO!

            Alex Morgan has “choked” her way to the trifecta:

            2008 FIFA U-20 Women’s World Cup
            2012 Summer Olympic Games
            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup

            Alex Morgan was already a WINNER at the age of 19.

            youtube.com/watch?v=PacY7Enz9hQ

            2008 Goal of the Year declared

            fifa.com/theclub/news/newsid=999807/index.html

            USA striker Alex Morgan’s 42nd-minute winner against Korea in the final of the FIFA U-20 Women’s World Cup Chile 2008 is rated as the second best goal of the year. Morgan walked away with the Adidas Silver Ball and Bronze Shoe awards for her four goals and stellar performance at the tournament.

          • Breakers fan

            Good Lord, dude. Do you know how many positive posts I’ve made about Alex Morgan? Feel free to count ’em. I was referring to 5 seconds of her career only there. Seemed really obvious but I guess not. And I was the person who defended her most recent PK take. Do you actually think that players’s careers are absolutely 100% Good or absolutely 100% Bad, and that if you’re touched by The Supreme Being to be on the Good side that never shall ye err? You can’t be that much of a simpleton.

          • HOFCToDi

            I have looked at the “big picture” for the course of the U-20 USWNT and the Senior USWNT careers. Tournaments (IOC, FIFA, CONCACAF, SheBelieves, Algarve) as well as FIFA Top 10 ranked opponents are all that matter. Seven of the eight FIFA Top 10 ranked opponents reached the quarterfinals of the 2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup. Seven of the eight FIFA Top 10 ranked opponents reached the quarterfinals of the 2016 Rio Olympics. Opponents outside of the FIFA Top 10 ranking are better left for the U-23 USWNT.

            The USSF has already wasted four years on Christen Press. Better to invest the next four years on a 17 year old teenager, Ashley Sanchez, than a 27 year old international fraud, Christen Press.

          • guest

            ashley sanchez is now an international fraud after the u17 and u20 uswnt failures.

          • HOFCToDi

            Ashley Sanchez has scored more goals for the U-17 USWNT than Christen Press.

          • HOFCToDi

            Tell that to Mal Pugh, dumbass.

            Let’s review a 18 year old teenager versus a 27 year old fraud in calendar year 2016:

            Christen Press (DOB 29 Dec 1988)
            2016 Summer Olympic Games
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 6, Shots on Goal 1
            Penalty Kicks Attempted 1, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

            Mallory Pugh (DOB 29 Apr 1998)
            2016 Summer Olympic Games
            Goals 1, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 4, Shots on Goal 1
            Penalty Kicks Attempted 0, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

            Christen Press (DOB 29 Dec 1988)
            2016 SheBelieves Cup
            Goals 0, Assists 0

            Mallory Pugh (DOB 29 Apr 1998)
            2016 SheBelieves Cup
            Goals 0, Assists 1

            Christen Press (DOB 29 Dec 1988)
            2016 CONCACAF Women’s Olympic Qualifying
            Knockout Stage
            Goals 0, Assists 0

            Mallory Pugh (DOB 29 Apr 1998)
            2016 CONCACAF Women’s Olympic Qualifying
            Knockout Stage
            Goals 0, Assists 2

            Christen Press is the quintessential international fraud.

            4 years (2013, 2014, 2015, 2016)
            78 caps
            2 head coaches

            Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

            garbage time
            prima donna
            selfish shot hog
            tomato cans

          • HOFCToDi

            Tell that to Mal Pugh, dumbass.

            Let’s review a 18 year old teenager versus a 27 year old fraud in calendar year 2016:

            Calendar Year 2016
            FIFA Top 10 Ranked Opponents
            USWNT Assists Provided
            Pugh (DOB 29 Apr 1998) – 3
            Press (DOB 29 Dec 1988) – 0

            Christen Press is the quintessential international fraud.

            4 years (2013, 2014, 2015, 2016)
            78 caps
            2 head coaches

            Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

            garbage time
            prima donna
            selfish shot hog
            tomato cans

          • mockmook

            “You can’t be that much of a simpleton.”

            Sure he can — the only person I have blocked, anywhere, ever.

          • HOFCToDi

            ROFLMAO!

            Alex Morgan has “choked” her way to the trifecta:

            2008 FIFA U-20 Women’s World Cup
            2012 Summer Olympic Games
            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup

            Alex Morgan is the only individual in the entire USWNT player pool that has scored a goal against SWE in the last four years.

            ussoccer.com/stories/2016/08/12/19/37/160812-wnt-falls-to-sweden-4-3-in-penalty-shootout-after-1-1-draw-in-2016-olympic-quarterfinals

            ussoccer.com/womens-national-team/tournaments/2015-fifa-womens-world-cup/150612-wntvswe#tab-1

            ussoccer.com/womens-national-team/tournaments/2014-algarve-cup/140307-wnt-v-swe#tab-1

            ussoccer.com/stories/2014/03/17/13/10/wnt-wins-group-b-at-2013-algarve-cup-to-advance-to-final

            Find another scapegoat.

          • mockmook

            I think choking does happen the most on people shooting at the goal — you know how important that shot can be.

            A typical pass or other play (usually) doesn’t carry the same certainty of consequences.

          • HOFCToDi

            Christen Press is a technical player?

            BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

            USWNT Career
            FIFA Top 10 Ranked Opponents
            USWNT Assists Provided
            Pugh (DOB 29 Apr 1998) – 3
            Press (DOB 29 Dec 1988) – 1

            More like Christen Press is technically inept.

          • HOFCToDi

            Calendar Year 2016
            FIFA Top 12 Ranked Opponents
            CAN, ENG, FRA, GER, JPN, JPN, FRA, SWE, NED

            9/25 = 36%

            Small sample size, my arse.

            ussoccer.com/womens-national-team/stats

          • Steglitz49

            Missed in the NWSL SF when it mattered. Missed in OG QF when the chips were down. To miss once is unfortunate; to miss twice seems like carelessness — as the writer might have mused.

          • Reality

            Wrong. Check the starts and minutes played for Press compared to Lloyd, Morgan and Dunn in my initial post. Ellis did not utilize her appropriately for most of the season.

          • guest

            Dunn earned minutes earlier in the year by coming in and making an impact (ie South Africa, England). Morgan and Lloyd earned them a long time ago and many times over since. Only recently IMO has Press earned more time – I will say she did make a good impact in the last friendlies.

          • Reality

            Press is the kind of player who does best when she is starting and playing for 90″ like Lloyd, Morgan and Dunn did all year. Dames knows this and uses her in this manner at CRS with predictable results. She has always been a prolific score on every team she has been on and currently has 41 goals in 80 games with the USWNT. She would have appreciably more if she was given the opportunity to play regularly.

          • sam

            She’s always been a prolific scorer but has never won anything of significance and has a reputation for being a choke artist. She has a couple years to turn that around, of course.

          • Reality

            Press has been very consistent throughout her career in excellent performance on every team she has been on. While it is true that she has not had those golden moments that some other players have achieved, I agree that, given she is currently in her prime, there is still time for that to happen particularly if she is utilized appropriately.

          • HOFCToDi

            Let’s review a 18 year old teenager versus a 27 year old fraud in calendar year 2016:

            Christen Press (DOB 29 Dec 1988)
            2016 Summer Olympic Games
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 6, Shots on Goal 1
            Penalty Kicks Attempted 1, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

            Mallory Pugh (DOB 29 Apr 1998)
            2016 Summer Olympic Games
            Goals 1, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 4, Shots on Goal 1
            Penalty Kicks Attempted 0, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

            Christen Press (DOB 29 Dec 1988)
            2016 SheBelieves Cup
            Goals 0, Assists 0

            Mallory Pugh (DOB 29 Apr 1998)
            2016 SheBelieves Cup
            Goals 0, Assists 1

            Christen Press (DOB 29 Dec 1988)
            2016 CONCACAF Women’s Olympic Qualifying
            Knockout Stage
            Goals 0, Assists 0

            Mallory Pugh (DOB 29 Apr 1998)
            2016 CONCACAF Women’s Olympic Qualifying
            Knockout Stage
            Goals 0, Assists 2

            Christen Press is the quintessential international fraud.

            4 years (2013, 2014, 2015, 2016)
            78 caps
            2 head coaches

            Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

            garbage time
            prima donna
            selfish shot hog
            tomato cans

          • HOFCToDi

            Christen Press
            International Women’s Friendly
            18 Sep 2016
            USA 3 NED 1
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 2, Shots on Goal 0

            foxsports.com/soccer/boxscore?id=32516

            Christen Press
            2016 Rio Olympics
            12 Aug 2016
            USA 1 SWE 1
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 2, Shots on Goal 0
            Penalty Kicks Attempted 1, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

            rio2016.com/en/football-womens-quarterfinal-fb-3

            Christen Press
            2016 Rio Olympics
            09 Aug 2016
            USA 2 COL 2
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 4, Shots on Goal 1

            rio2016.com/en/football-womens-first-round-group-g-fb-5

            Christen Press
            International Women’s Friendly
            9 Jul 2016
            USA 1 RSA 0
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 2, Shots on Goal 0

            foxsports.com/soccer/boxscore?id=26928

            Christen Press
            International Women’s Friendly
            5 Jun 2016
            USA 2 JPN 0
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots 2, Shots on Goal 1

            foxsports.com/soccer/boxscore?id=26862

            Christen Press
            International Women’s Friendly
            2 Jun 2016
            USA 3 JPN 3
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots 2, Shots on Goal 0

            foxsports.com/soccer/boxscore?id=26754

            Christen Press is the quintessential international fraud.

            4 years (2013, 2014, 2015, 2016)
            78 caps
            2 head coaches

            Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

            garbage time
            prima donna
            selfish shot hog
            tomato cans

          • HOFCToDi

            You are a clueless moron.

          • HOFCToDi

            Christen Press has yet to score a goal versus a FIFA Top 12 Ranked opponent in calendar year 2016.

            fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/women/index.html

            Christen Press has yet to provide an assist versus a FIFA Top 12 Ranked opponent in calendar year 2016.

            fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/women/index.html

            Christen Press is the quintessential international fraud.

            4 years (2013, 2014, 2015, 2016)
            78 caps
            2 head coaches

            Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

            garbage time
            prima donna
            selfish shot hog
            tomato cans

          • Guest
          • Steglitz49

            Wrong. Christen helped Göteborg retain the Swedish Cup in 2012, scoring against her future club Tyresö.

            When she played for Tyresö, she never won anything and even lost in the Super-Cup against her old club Gbg.

            Christen did become Goalscoring Queen with Tyresö but she had been 2nd by 1 or 2 measly goals the year before playing for GBG.

            Then she was part of the WC-15 winning squad.

          • HOFCToDi

            Christen Press – tomato cans (PUR, THA, ROU) and garbage time (CRC, COL).

          • Guest

            Dunn didn’t play 90″ and certainly not at forward all year. You live in an alternate “Reality”. She was used like Press on many occasions – as a supersub

          • Reality

            Given your lowering of yourself to personal attacks, I will give you the benefit of a reply this one time. If you continue to troll, I will ignore your comments as I do other trolls on this site.

            While both Press and Dunn were used as substitutes, Dunn had 8 more starts than Press and played 372″ more than Press which amounts to over 4 full games. Dunn played a full 90″ more often than Press and also had more time in the forward position.

          • HOFCToDi

            Sunday, 21 Feb 2016
            TSG announces CWOQ Best XI, Awards
            ussoccer.com/v~13.17/~/media/images/wnt/gallery-images/2016/02/160221-wnt-v-can/photo-gallery/160221-wnt-vs-can-photo-gallery19.jpg?h=600&w=786&la=en&hash=BF5ABEEA5BE7034EF13FA4F320F9E7BB8E549331&yocs=6_&yoloc=us

            concacaf.com/article/tsg-announces-cwoq-best-xi-awards

            By the way, Christen Press is not on the list.

            Christen Press is the quintessential international fraud.

            4 years (2013, 2014, 2015, 2016)
            78 caps
            2 head coaches

            Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

            garbage time
            prima donna
            selfish shot hog
            tomato cans

          • HOFCToDi

            Friday, 11 Mar 2016
            Morgan, Solo and the USA Sweep Awards at 2016 SBC
            ussoccer.com/v~13.17/~/media/images/wnt/gallery-images/2016/03/160309-wnt-v-ger/160309-wnt-vs-ger-gallery20.jpg?h=559&w=800&la=en&hash=B1A7B6E0C01C796F4C31CF422F0CC370A4D5CF89&yocs=6_&yoloc=us

            ussoccer.com/stories/2016/03/11/13/17/160311-wnt-morgan-solo-and-the-usa-sweep-awards-at-2016-shebelieves-cup

            By the way, Christen Press is not on the list.

            Christen Press is the quintessential international fraud.

            4 years (2013, 2014, 2015, 2016)
            78 caps
            2 head coaches

            Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

            garbage time
            prima donna
            selfish shot hog
            tomato cans

          • HOFCToDi

            Christen Press
            2016 Summer Olympic Games
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 6, Shots on Goal 1
            Penalty Kicks Attempted 1, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

            Christen Press
            2016 Rio Olympics
            12 Aug 2016
            USA 1 SWE 1
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 2, Shots on Goal 0
            Penalty Kicks Attempted 1, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

            rio2016.com/en/football-womens-quarterfinal-fb-3

            Christen Press
            2016 Rio Olympics
            09 Aug 2016
            USA 2 COL 2
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 4, Shots on Goal 1
            Penalty Kicks Attempted 0, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

            rio2016.com/en/football-womens-first-round-group-g-fb-5

            Christen Press is the quintessential international fraud.

            4 years (2013, 2014, 2015, 2016)
            78 caps
            2 head coaches

            Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

            garbage time
            prima donna
            selfish shot hog
            tomato cans

          • HOFCToDi

            You are the troll.

          • HOFCToDi

            Christen Press
            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
            12 Jun 2015
            USA 0 SWE 0
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots 2, Shots on Goal 0

            resources.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/02/64/73/21/eng_19_0612_usa-swe_fulltime.pdf

            Christen Press
            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
            22 Jun 2015
            USA 2 COL 0
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots 1, Shots on Goal 0

            resources.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/02/65/26/11/eng_38_0622_usa-col_fulltime.pdf

            Christen Press
            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
            26 Jun 2015
            USA 1 CHN 0
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots 2, Shots on Goal 0

            resources.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/02/65/35/93/eng_45_0626_chn-usa_fulltime.pdf

            Christen Press could not even register a shot on goal.

            Nevermind Christen Press started eleven of the first twelve matches for the USWNT in calendar year 2015.

            ussoccer.com/womens-national-team/lineups/2015-lineups

            ROFLMAO!

          • HOFCToDi

            Christen Press
            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
            16 Jun 2015
            USA 1 NGA 0
            Minutes Played 0

            resources.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/02/65/00/60/eng_31_0616_nga-usa_fulltime.pdf

            Christen Press was BENCHED!

            Christen Press
            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
            30 Jun 2015
            USA 2 GER 0
            Minutes Played 0

            resources.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/02/65/52/49/eng_49_0630_usa-ger_fulltime.pdf

            Christen Press was BENCHED!

            Christen Press
            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
            05 Jul 2015
            USA 5 JPN 2
            Minutes Played 0

            resources.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/02/66/12/93/eng_52_0705_usa-jpn_fulltime.pdf

            Christen Press was BENCHED!

            Nevermind Christen Press started eleven of the first twelve matches for the USWNT in calendar year 2015.

            ussoccer.com/womens-national-team/lineups/2015-lineups

            ROFLMAO!

          • HOFCToDi

            For USWNT posterity:

            30 June 2015 vs GER, 05 July 2015 vs JPN
            drawformation.com/post/56bc60cb89182/56bc60cb89182.png

            Nevermind Christen Press started eleven of the first twelve matches for the USWNT in calendar year 2015.

            ussoccer.com/womens-national-team/lineups/2015-lineups

            ROFLMAO!

          • HOFCToDi

            Women’s Football shortlists for FIFA Ballon d’Or 2015

            fifa.com/the-best-fifa-football-awards/news/y=2015/m=10/news=women-s-football-shortlists-for-fifa-ballon-d-or-2015-revealed-2719030.html

            By the way, Christen Press is not on the list.

            Nevermind Christen Press started eleven of the first twelve matches for the USWNT in calendar year 2015.

            ussoccer.com/womens-national-team/lineups/2015-lineups

            ROFLMAO!

          • HOFCToDi

            Nominees Set For 2015 US Soccer Female Player of the Year

            ussoccer.com/stories/2015/12/10/20/05/151210-wnt-nominees-set-for-2015-us-soccer-female-player-of-the-year

            By the way, Christen Press is not on the list.

            Nevermind Christen Press started eleven of the first twelve matches for the USWNT in calendar year 2015.

            ussoccer.com/womens-national-team/lineups/2015-lineups

            ROFLMAO!

          • sam

            Dunn also did well against Colombia.

          • HOFCToDi

            Christen Press (DOB 29 Dec 1988)
            2016 Summer Olympic Games
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 6, Shots on Goal 1
            Penalty Kicks Attempted 1, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

            Crystal Dunn (DOB 03 Jul 1992)
            2016 Summer Olympic Games
            Goals 1, Assists 1, Shots Attempted 6, Shots on Goal 3
            Penalty Kicks Attempted 0, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

            Christen Press (DOB 29 Dec 1988)
            2016 SheBelieves Cup
            Goals 0, Assists 0

            Crystal Dunn (DOB 03 Jul 1992)
            2016 SheBelieves Cup
            Goals 1, Assists 0

            Christen Press (DOB 29 Dec 1988)
            2016 CONCACAF Women’s Olympic Qualifying
            Knockout Stage
            Goals 0, Assists 0

            Crystal Dunn (DOB 03 Jul 1992)
            2016 CONCACAF Women’s Olympic Qualifying
            Knockout Stage
            Goals 0, Assists 0

            Christen Press is the quintessential international fraud.

            4 years (2013, 2014, 2015, 2016)
            78 caps
            2 head coaches

            Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

            garbage time
            prima donna
            selfish shot hog
            tomato cans

          • HOFCToDi

            Christen Press – tomato cans (ROU, THA) and garbage time.

          • Steglitz49

            Remember Algarve 2014?

          • HOFCToDi

            No one gives a damn what you want. Sunil Gulati does not give a damn what you want. April Heinrichs does not give a damn what you want. Jill Ellis does not give a damn what you want.

          • guest

            wah wah always the same with Press fangirls. She never gets a chance. Morgan in her beginning got limited chances but made the most of those minutes and against better teams and Dunn minutes were getting cut for awhile there and she still shown bright. A million excuses for Press though right?

          • HOFCToDi

            Christen Press (DOB 29 Dec 1988)
            2016 Summer Olympic Games
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 6, Shots on Goal 1
            Penalty Kicks Attempted 1, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

            Crystal Dunn (DOB 03 Jul 1992)
            2016 Summer Olympic Games
            Goals 1, Assists 1, Shots Attempted 6, Shots on Goal 3
            Penalty Kicks Attempted 0, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

            Christen Press (DOB 29 Dec 1988)
            2016 SheBelieves Cup
            Goals 0, Assists 0

            Crystal Dunn (DOB 03 Jul 1992)
            2016 SheBelieves Cup
            Goals 1, Assists 0

            Christen Press (DOB 29 Dec 1988)
            2016 CONCACAF Women’s Olympic Qualifying
            Knockout Stage
            Goals 0, Assists 0

            Crystal Dunn (DOB 03 Jul 1992)
            2016 CONCACAF Women’s Olympic Qualifying
            Knockout Stage
            Goals 0, Assists 0

          • HOFCToDi

            Christen Press (DOB 29 Dec 1988)
            2016 Summer Olympic Games
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 6, Shots on Goal 1
            Penalty Kicks Attempted 1, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

            Mallory Pugh (DOB 29 Apr 1998)
            2016 Summer Olympic Games
            Goals 1, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 4, Shots on Goal 1
            Penalty Kicks Attempted 0, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

            Christen Press (DOB 29 Dec 1988)
            2016 SheBelieves Cup
            Goals 0, Assists 0

            Mallory Pugh (DOB 29 Apr 1998)
            2016 SheBelieves Cup
            Goals 0, Assists 1

            Christen Press (DOB 29 Dec 1988)
            2016 CONCACAF Women’s Olympic Qualifying
            Knockout Stage
            Goals 0, Assists 0

            Mallory Pugh (DOB 29 Apr 1998)
            2016 CONCACAF Women’s Olympic Qualifying
            Knockout Stage
            Goals 0, Assists 2

          • well

            she got a lot more points than Dunn during the SUI/ROU matches

          • HOFCToDi

            Christen Press – tomato cans (THA, ROU)

            fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/women/index.html

          • HOFCToDi

            Christen Press has yet to score a goal versus a FIFA Top 12 Ranked opponent in calendar year 2016.

            fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/women/index.html

            Christen Press has yet to provide an assist versus a FIFA Top 12 Ranked opponent in calendar year 2016.

            fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/women/index.html

            Christen Press is the quintessential international fraud.

            4 years (2013, 2014, 2015, 2016)
            78 caps
            2 head coaches

            Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

            garbage time
            prima donna
            selfish shot hog
            tomato cans

          • Louis

            zzzz she started her against tomato cans no shocker there that is where she excels.

      • lolwut

        is this guy one of Christen’s helicopter parents?

        • Steglitz49

          Yes. He is with NYRick part of the original Pressgang.

          • lolwut

            he seems more obsessive than NYRick though

          • Steglitz49

            In the early days NYRick was just as intense.

            Once Christen got her WC winners medal and he realized that she was not all he had cranked her up to be and certainly not the best since sliced bread, he lowered his profile.

            After the debacle in Brasilia his profile has been below sea-level.

          • HOFCToDi

            NYRick is a loser. Reality is a loser.

        • HOFCToDi

          In calendar year 2008, the U-20 USWNT won the 2008 FIFA U-20 Women’s World Cup without the services of CP23.

          In calendar year 2012, the Senior USWNT won the 2011 Summer Olympics Games without the services of CP23.

          In calendar year 2015, the Senior USWNT won the 2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup without the services of CP23.

          Christen Press
          2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
          30 Jun 2015
          USA 2 GER 0
          Minutes Played 0

          resources.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/02/65/52/49/eng_49_0630_usa-ger_fulltime.pdf

          Christen Press was BENCHED!

          Christen Press
          2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
          05 Jul 2015
          USA 5 JPN 2
          Minutes Played 0

          resources.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/02/66/12/93/eng_52_0705_usa-jpn_fulltime.pdf

          Christen Press was BENCHED!

          Nevermind Christen Press started eleven of the first twelve matches for the USWNT in calendar year 2015.

          ussoccer.com/womens-national-team/lineups/2015-lineups

        • HOFCToDi

          Christen Press wasn’t on the list last year, as well.

          ussoccer.com/stories/2015/12/10/20/05/151210-wnt-nominees-set-for-2015-us-soccer-female-player-of-the-year

        • HOFCToDi

          Who will be The Best FIFA Women’s Player 2016?

          fifa.com/the-best-fifa-football-awards/news/y=2016/m=11/news=who-will-be-the-best-fifa-women-s-player-2016-2847758.html

          By the way, Christen Press is not on the list.

      • HOFCToDi

        Calendar Year 2016
        FIFA Top 10 Ranked Opponents
        USWNT Goals Scored
        Morgan (DOB 02 Jul 1989) – 6
        Horan (DOB 26 May 1994) – 2
        Dunn (DOB 03 Jul 1992) – 1
        Heath (DOB 29 May 1988) – 1
        Johnston (DOB 06 Apr 1992) – 1
        Lloyd (DOB 16 Jul 1982) – 1
        Mewis (DOB 09 Oct 1992) – 1

        By the way, Christen Press is not on the list.

        ussoccer.com/womens-national-t…

        Christen Press is the quintessential international fraud.

        4 years (2013, 2014, 2015, 2016)
        78 caps
        2 head coaches

        Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

        garbage time
        prima donna
        selfish shot hog
        tomato cans

      • HOFCToDi

        FIFA Top 10 Ranked Opponents
        USWNT Goals Scored
        Morgan (DOB 02 Jul 1989) – 34
        Leroux (DOB 07 May 1990) – 8
        Press (DOB 29 Dec 1988) – 3
        Johnston (DOB 06 Apr 1992) – 2
        Dunn (DOB 03 Jul 1992) – 2
        Horan (DOB 26 May 1994) – 2
        Mewis (DOB 09 Oct 1992) – 1

        Christen Press is the quintessential international fraud.

        4 years (2013, 2014, 2015, 2016)
        78 caps
        2 head coaches

        Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

        garbage time
        prima donna
        selfish shot hog
        tomato cans

      • Steglitz49

        Name two great Press moments in 2016.

        • NYRick

          One would be tying goal late in the NWSL semi, but that was quickly overshadowed by the inexplicable post in stoppage time for the win.

          Actually her biggest moment COULD HAVE BEEN in the Sweden match (around the 91/92nd minute), she had an awful good look at the top of the box and sailed it high and a little wide. That goes in I think the US goes on to win OG gold and she might have a big say in it. But those are the breaks as they say. Sports is a game of inches and seizing opportunities.

          • NYRick

            And just to add in that same Sweden match, upon her entrance, she put a gorgeous pass to put Morgan in inside the box. I really think Alex needed to bury that for the win but shot it right at the keeper.

          • guest2

            I really think press should have buried her open shot at the top of the box against sweden as well but she skied it and least Morgan tied the game.

          • Ha

            That would have been great if it was an NWSL award but she didn’t even get that man.

        • HOFCToDi

          Christen Press has not experienced a “great moment” since the conclusion of the USA versus AUS match at the 2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup.

      • NYRick

        Hi Reality. I think Press had a decent year, but one I would consider kind of subpar for her talents. I give her props for CRS where she emerged as a leader/captain this year and was still a top XI NWSL player. She in my opinion is still the most deadliest scoring threat in the league, just from the standpoint of the opposition always having to worry about her.

        For country, as you know, I agree with you on the minutes and the starts in relation to Lloyd, Morgan and Dunn. Anyone not acknowledging that is just being moronic. Especially as it pertains to the forward position on the NT. She will score as a 90 minute starter at forward on the NT. Once again only complete haters/idiots (see HOF) would dispute that. I mean for crying out loud 41 goals in 80 caps is impressive by anyone’s standards.

        I guess she finished the NT year with 12 goals, 5 assists. Not bad for the minutes as you say. But she needed a big OG. And Ellis was just not ready to give it to her (Morgan has to play, Carli has to become the greatest female player thus now being a scoring queen and Dunn was played too centrally at forward way too often for her skill set). Ellis is a complete boob. You have to go out of your way not to win gold with this team in every tournament you enter.

        But…with all that said, CP’s penalty kick miss was beyond humongous. Not blaming her for the loss (Morgan obviously missed too), but CP could not afford that miss in her NT career with all the naysayers always saying she chokes. Hopefully she has a couple of years to build new glory. I personally see her as a 150 cap/85+ goal player when all is said and done in her NT career. If that includes another WC team title with that, that would be a helluva career to be proud of. Happy Holidays to you and your family.

        • Reality

          Hi Rick. Excellent post as usual. I’m not implying that Press was the most valuable player this year. She wasn’t. My post was in response to Kevin who did not even mention her so I was just putting things in perspective.

          Where I am truly concerned with the USWNT is the culture, management and coaching. 2016 has been a “chickens coming home to roost” year. The lack of development on the youth level has been painfully evident in the inadequate performance of our U17 and U20 teams. And Ellis’s management of the Senior team, while apparently giving some opportunities to younger players, remains mired in the star system of athleticism rather than effective team play strategy.

          Lloyd is the primary stumbling block to further evolution of the team since her attitude conforms to this star system of where she must be the center of the offense at all times. This inhibits the effectiveness of the rest of the team and prevents development of the younger players in time on the pitch playing in their best positions and running a diversified attack. Since Ellis supports and enables Lloyd, the NT is not realizing its full potential.

          But the problem on the Senior team is just indicative of the USWNT culture as a whole from the youth on up. Emphasis is placed on victory now not development of more complete players . Hence the emphasis on speed and physicality which has worked for us in the past. We thought that this unbalanced policy would catch up with the NT in 2015. But we scraped by. However, 2016 became the year of reckoning where other countries have matched our strengths in speed and physicality and surpassed us in technical and team play.

          I hope that 2017 will truly be a year of change for the USWNT where Gulati and his coaching staff are forced to reassess their approach and implement a more balanced strategy for growth. We have the most talent and resources of any soccer nation in the world. If Gulati and his coaching staff are incapable of adjustment, then wholesale changes need to be made at the their level.

          • Steglitz49

            You are a bit unfair to the U20s.

            The seniors and the U17 failed to deliver but the U20s did OK. Not brilliantly but OK.

          • DNG

            It’s a shame you comment less than you used to. Comments like this are insightful and add a lot to good discussions. I do admit that all of your reasons for contributing less than in the past are valid. I personally had to block HOFCToDi because he is a cancer to the board and even now it’s annoying to have to see 100 comments saying “This user is blocked” in a comments section here. Personally I really enjoy defending players like Press, Brian, and Heath since there are a noticeable amount of detractors and it’s a gateway for some good discussions about soccer.

            I share a lot of your concerns on the state of US development system and the coaching staff. I don’t think Ellis has proven herself to be a tactically adept coach even though she seems to be saying the right things. As far as Gulati goes, I believe he is a business man with limited knowledge about soccer. There for I believe any changes he makes will likely be brought around by poor results. Removing the leadership at the top is likely going to be difficult unless Gulati really messes up for a period of time.

          • Reality

            Thank you for your kind words. Over the years here on EQ, I have enjoyed participating with knowledgeable, reasonable and respectful commentators.

            However, and perhaps it reflects the tenor of the times, there has been an increasing number of trolls appearing whose comments consist of disparaging tweet-like and illiterate fragments. They lower the level of discourse and create provocations which only produce stupidities.

            Then there are other types of trolls who masquerade as knowledgeable, but who are only invested in creating dissensions for their own amusement through distorted and repetitive infomercials. It’s like watching cretinous ads on late night TV.

            The third category of troll- like posting are those who go off on tangents and indulge in extraneous rants about subjects unrelated to soccer.

            There are still people here of integrity like you who are interested in serious discussion and I support their comments. However, I no longer enjoy wading through all the cr#p that infests EQ nowadays. I don’t think I am the only one.

            It is the responsibility of the EQ moderator, if there is one, to weed out the trolls who are lowering the quality of discourse on this site.

            I love the game of soccer and will continue to watch and attend games. However, I am no longer interested in regular participation here at EQ.

            All the best to you and Happy Holidays.

          • Kevin

            I agree. I think Lloyd is a monumental problem going forward.

            It’s impossible to play a new system when you insist on playing a player incapable of playing in the new system as its centerpiece.

            In 2.5 years, her skills will just decline that much more and she’ll be a step slower.

          • Reality

            I quite agree. But I don’t see any obvious solution to this problem given that Lloyd has publicly stated that she wants to be around for the next WC cycle and beyond. And Ellis seems to have bought into this future since she has appointed her Captain, starts her in every game, plays her for 90″ and allows her to roam at will disrupting the run of play in her desire to be the greatest player ever.

          • Kevin

            I really like what I’ve seen so far from Sullivan (hope she recovers quickly), Pugh and Williams.

            Sullivan and Pugh have been incredible when you consider their age and experience. The future looks bright for both of them.

            Hopefully, these players (or others) will continue to improve and force Ellis’ hand, sooner rather than later.

            I have absolutely no faith in Ellis to come to the conclusion that the team might be better off with Lloyd coming off the bench. Especially after…

            • watching Abby walk around the field for the first half of 2015 and shank shot after shot, Ellis finally benched her in the quarterfinals.

            • watching Rapinoe completely sucking in Rio. It’s a joke that she even made the roster. The Ellis starts her against Colombia, she plays awful and only lasts 33 minutes and is completely gassed. Then, inexplicably, she enters the game in the quarterfinals against Sweden in the 72′ and has to be subbed out in the 99′.

          • DNG

            I caution on putting too much on Pugh at the moment. I think a big part of the reason why she has been so effective for the NT thus far is because she has only really been asked to be fast and make crosses in the offensive third. The US’s biggest issue against good teams and defenses, at least in my opinion, comes before that final phase of attack. Passing out of the back, linking the defense to the midfield, and then the midfield to the forwards is where this team had serious issues against France and England.

            This is an area where I think Sullivan could potentially really help the team. The problem though is that there aren’t enough players like Sullivan and Brian. Horan to me seems like more of a forward and I believe S. Mewis to be more of an attacker as well.

          • Kevin

            Why the caution on Pugh?

            She played some of her best games against the top teams, including Canada, France, England, Germany and Sweden.

            What makes you say she has only been asked to be fast and make crosses in the offensive third? I’ve never thought or seen that.

          • DNG

            I want to preface my comment by stating that I think she’s a very talented player. However, I probably saw most of those games a little differently than you did. While I agree that she definitely made life difficult at times for those defenders, it was almost always after receiving the ball in advanced positions where she could run past her defenders. She did have some good moments of playmaking from inside against Sweden but I haven’t seen it consistently enough with the U20s or the full team.

            A lot of this is also coming from my opinion of her performance at the U20 WC. When asked to do significantly more in the U20 tournament this year(lead and carry play), I thought she struggled even if there were some flashes of excellence. This leads me to believe that she is still pretty far from a finished product. I also don’t think she’s really proven herself a great finisher or a player that you can run an offense though reliably. While there is still plenty of time for her to get there, I don’t necessarily see her as definitely better than Tobin or Dunn at this moment. I think everyone is still a bit off Rapinoe’s best but Rapinoe will probably never be that player again.

            I also felt Tobin was overused to link the midfield to the attack this year since both Morgan and Lloyd like to stay high in build up at all times and Ellis didn’t really ask Pugh to do it as much in that phase(although she was certainly more helpful than Lloyd). It made the US’s build up play too predictable in my opinion and was the source for some of the woes in ball movement.

          • Kevin

            Yeah, we’re definitely seeing it differently, but that’s ok.

            I see her getting the ball in traffic and not only being able to deal with it, but keep her head up and/or have the awareness to make the correct passes or dribble out of it more than just about anyone else on the team.

            My biggest concern with Pugh is her size.

          • DNG

            Interestingly I have no issues with her size. On the wing it isn’t much of a problem at all. I don’t think her ball control is better than Heath or Brian though. I think both of those players definitely have better touch. Pugh’s dribbling is also very direct and straight. I do think she does have good awareness to make the correct passes and generally reads the game well. She hasn’t shown me the ability to hold the ball and manipulate the tempo though. When she receives the ball she’s always looking to attack immediately and as fast as possible.

          • Kevin

            Heath would be my only exception, although I do think Pugh makes quicker decisions and better passes in traffic so far from what I’ve seen.

            Here’s where we see something different. I think Pugh’s best position would be somewhere in the middle, but I think her size might be what keeps her out on the wings.

          • DNG

            Maybe but I don’t know if Pugh is going to develop into a great 10. She seem to be more effective in space on the counter. I think Brian and possibly Sullivan are better central players than Pugh. They can’t dribble past defenders as well but are better getting the ball forward under pressure.

          • #1Fan

            My biggest concern is projecting her to a role that so far we have not see her do.

          • DNG

            Thinking on this a little more the two CAMs I rate highest, Vero and Little, in WoSo are both the same hight as Pugh. So if she has the skill, I don’t think height will be a problem. I think she pretty far off those two right now though.

          • DNG

            Maybe this is a better way of putting this. I’m not saying this is you but far to often when I read comments about Pugh here, I see people who appear to see her as a superstar right now and that’s just not what I see. What I see right now is a player who has the talent to be one of the top players on the NT and is already very good, but not quite where some people are placing her. I think comparison Pugh to Mia Hamm and the like is a really unfair amount of pressure to put on an 18 year old.

          • Kevin

            I’m not sure who is comparing her to Mia Hamm. Other than the media hyping her up, I don’t think I’ve seen anyone make that comment in here.

            I can’t remember if it was Foudy, Wagner or someone else, but when they were asked which USWNT great that Pugh reminded them of, she answered… “no one, she’s unique,” which I totally agree with.

            Here’s what I see in her…

            …at the age of 17, not only did she earn a starting spot on the USWNT, she was clearly one of the better players on the field. She sees the game better than maybe anyone on the team. She’s making runs and passes that many veterans on the team aren’t. Call it “Soccer IQ”, instincts, intangibles, whatever.

            I think she’s great in traffic. I love how closely she dribbles the ball and keeps her head up.

            She earned a starting spot as a high-school senior at the age of 17 and everything I’ve seen since then confirms that it was the right decision.

            I don’t think she’ll be the next Mia Hamm.

            I don’t think she’ll rack up the goals.

            I don’t think she’ll be the best finisher.

            Based on what I’ve seen, I do think she’ll be great in possession, transition and racking up the assists though.

            She’s 18 now, and there’s no reason to think that she won’t continue to get better over the next 10 years.

            Like I said in an earlier comment… my biggest concern is her size.

          • DNG

            I didn’t really mean the comparing to Mia Hamm literally. I was more referring to the hype surrounding her. Lots of people do seem to be prematurely labeling her the next superstar. I already qualified by saying that I wasn’t talking about you.

            “She sees the game better than maybe anyone on the team. She’s making runs and passes that many veterans on the team aren’t.”

            Better than some players? Sure. Best on the team? I don’t think so. Press and Rapinoe(when healthy) make excellent runs forward. At this stage I think Heath is better at combining around the box than Pugh is. I also think Brian sees passes to break lines better than Pugh. Some of the things you are mentioning I don’t see as often as you do. I have seen her play good balls in between lines but she has mostly been used as a crosser for the NT.

          • Reality

            I was so disappointed to see Sullivan go down. It looked like she might have been the stabilizing force in our mid-field. Now we’re back to ad-libbing again.

            Ellis has brought up a few promising players but it remains to be seen whether they will stick with the NT. I truly wonder whether Ellis has real plan for development or she is just flying by the seat of her pants. Her decision making in both the WC and OG was questionable and she was fortunate to win the former.

            Gulati stuck with Klinsmann way past his due date and I fear that he will do the same with Ellis who will also be sticking with Lloyd. This does not bode well for future development.

        • Reality

          Rick, since we have been frequenting EQ less as of late, let me also wish you a Happy Holidays and Best Wishes for the New Year to you and your family.

          • Steglitz49

            Why have you visited the EQ less?

          • Reality

            Troll infestation and too many extraneous comments.

          • HOFCToDi

            USWNT
            Calendar Year 2016

            Christen Press – tomato cans (PUR, THA, ROU)

            fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/women/index.html

            fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/women/rank=552/index.html

            Christen Press – garbage time (CRC, COL, CRC)

          • guest

            Are you kidding me? With the year Press has had, it’s a wonder he shows up around here at all.

          • Steglitz49

            Well understood, of course.

        • HOFCToDi

          Calendar Year 2016
          FIFA Top 10 Ranked Opponents
          USWNT Goals Scored
          Morgan (DOB 02 Jul 1989) – 6
          Horan (DOB 26 May 1994) – 2
          Dunn (DOB 03 Jul 1992) – 1
          Heath (DOB 29 May 1988) – 1
          Johnston (DOB 06 Apr 1992) – 1
          Lloyd (DOB 16 Jul 1982) – 1
          Mewis (DOB 09 Oct 1992) – 1

          By the way, Christen Press is not on the list.

          ussoccer.com/womens-national-t…

          Christen Press is the quintessential international fraud.

          4 years (2013, 2014, 2015, 2016)
          78 caps
          2 head coaches

          Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

          garbage time
          prima donna
          selfish shot hog
          tomato cans

        • HOFCToDi

          USWNT Career
          FIFA Top 10 Ranked Opponents
          USWNT Goals Scored
          Morgan (DOB 02 Jul 1989) – 34
          Leroux (DOB 07 May 1990) – 8
          Press (DOB 29 Dec 1988) – 3
          Johnston (DOB 06 Apr 1992) – 2
          Dunn (DOB 03 Jul 1992) – 2
          Horan (DOB 26 May 1994) – 2
          Mewis (DOB 09 Oct 1992) – 1

          Christen Press is the quintessential international fraud.

          4 years (2013, 2014, 2015, 2016)
          78 caps
          2 head coaches

          Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

          garbage time
          prima donna
          selfish shot hog
          tomato cans

        • HOFCToDi

          Sunday, 21 Feb 2016
          TSG announces CWOQ Best XI, Awards
          ussoccer.com/v~13.17/~/media/images/wnt/gallery-images/2016/02/160221-wnt-v-can/photo-gallery/160221-wnt-vs-can-photo-gallery19.jpg?h=600&w=786&la=en&hash=BF5ABEEA5BE7034EF13FA4F320F9E7BB8E549331&yocs=6_&yoloc=us

          concacaf.com/article/tsg-announces-cwoq-best-xi-awards

          By the way, Christen Press is not on the list.

          Christen Press is the quintessential international fraud.

          4 years (2013, 2014, 2015, 2016)
          78 caps
          2 head coaches

          Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

          garbage time
          prima donna
          selfish shot hog
          tomato cans

        • HOFCToDi

          Friday, 11 Mar 2016
          Morgan, Solo and the USA Sweep Awards at 2016 SBC
          ussoccer.com/v~13.17/~/media/images/wnt/gallery-images/2016/03/160309-wnt-v-ger/160309-wnt-vs-ger-gallery20.jpg?h=559&w=800&la=en&hash=B1A7B6E0C01C796F4C31CF422F0CC370A4D5CF89&yocs=6_&yoloc=us

          ussoccer.com/stories/2016/03/11/13/17/160311-wnt-morgan-solo-and-the-usa-sweep-awards-at-2016-shebelieves-cup

          By the way, Christen Press is not on the list.

          Christen Press is the quintessential international fraud.

          4 years (2013, 2014, 2015, 2016)
          78 caps
          2 head coaches

          Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

          garbage time
          prima donna
          selfish shot hog
          tomato cans

        • HOFCToDi

          Christen Press
          2016 Summer Olympic Games
          Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 6, Shots on Goal 1
          Penalty Kicks Attempted 1, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

          Christen Press
          2016 Rio Olympics
          12 Aug 2016
          USA 1 SWE 1
          Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 2, Shots on Goal 0
          Penalty Kicks Attempted 1, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

          rio2016.com/en/football-womens-quarterfinal-fb-3

          Christen Press
          2016 Rio Olympics
          09 Aug 2016
          USA 2 COL 2
          Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 4, Shots on Goal 1
          Penalty Kicks Attempted 0, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

          rio2016.com/en/football-womens-first-round-group-g-fb-5

          Christen Press is the quintessential international fraud.

          4 years (2013, 2014, 2015, 2016)
          78 caps
          2 head coaches

          Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

          garbage time
          prima donna
          selfish shot hog
          tomato cans

        • HOFCToDi

          Christen Press
          International Women’s Friendly
          18 Sep 2016
          USA 3 NED 1
          Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 2, Shots on Goal 0

          foxsports.com/soccer/boxscore?id=32516

          Christen Press
          International Women’s Friendly
          9 Jul 2016
          USA 1 RSA 0
          Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 2, Shots on Goal 0

          foxsports.com/soccer/boxscore?id=26928

          Christen Press
          International Women’s Friendly
          5 Jun 2016
          USA 2 JPN 0
          Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 2, Shots on Goal 1

          foxsports.com/soccer/boxscore?id=26862

          Christen Press
          International Women’s Friendly
          2 Jun 2016
          USA 3 JPN 3
          Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 2, Shots on Goal 0

          foxsports.com/soccer/boxscore?id=26754

          Christen Press is the quintessential international fraud.

          4 years (2013, 2014, 2015, 2016)
          78 caps
          2 head coaches

          Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

          garbage time
          prima donna
          selfish shot hog
          tomato cans

        • HOFCToDi

          Christen Press is a LOSER! Alex Morgan is a WINNER!

          Alex Morgan was already a WINNER at the age of 19.

          youtube.com/watch?v=PacY7Enz9hQ

          2008 Goal of the Year declared

          fifa.com/theclub/news/newsid=999807/index.html

          USA striker Alex Morgan’s 42nd-minute winner against Korea in the final of the FIFA U-20 Women’s World Cup Chile 2008 is rated as the second best goal of the year. Morgan walked away with the Adidas Silver Ball and Bronze Shoe awards for her four goals and stellar performance at the tournament.

        • HOFCToDi

          Always Alex, never Christen …………………….

          youtube.com/watch?v=zN8lBGxk7Iw

          youtube.com/watch?v=KHCa3M5gZfo

          youtube.com/watch?v=wpPUPUCqOI8

          ussoccer.com/stories/2014/03/17/13/31/wnt-takes-2013-algarve-cup-title-with-20-win-against-germany

          youtube.com/watch?v=05RKP6RU7po

          ussoccer.com/stories/2014/03/17/13/10/wnt-wins-group-b-at-2013-algarve-cup-to-advance-to-final

        • HOFCToDi

          Christen Press is a LOSER! Alex Morgan is a WINNER!

          Alex Morgan is the only individual in the entire USWNT player pool that has scored a goal against Sweden in the last four years.

          ussoccer.com/stories/2016/08/12/19/37/160812-wnt-falls-to-sweden-4-3-in-penalty-shootout-after-1-1-draw-in-2016-olympic-quarterfinals

          ussoccer.com/womens-national-team/tournaments/2015-fifa-womens-world-cup/150612-wntvswe#tab-1

          ussoccer.com/womens-national-team/tournaments/2014-algarve-cup/140307-wnt-v-swe#tab-1

          ussoccer.com/stories/2014/03/17/13/10/wnt-wins-group-b-at-2013-algarve-cup-to-advance-to-final

          By the way, Christen Press is not on the list.

          • Steglitz49

            Hear hear.

            (Abby scored against Sweden in 2011, the match that the US lost 1-2 but because it was in a group game, it was not fatal.)

        • Steglitz49

          Morgan did not miss her penalty. Instead the goalie, Lindahl, saved it. Morgan failed to score like Sembrant did for Sweden.

          Christen missed. Her penalty sailed over the bar. The contrast was immense to how Lisa Dahlkvist handled the provocation she was subjected to. Like Kumagai in 2011, Dahlkvist stood firm and delivered.

      • guest

        That’s great but this isn’t a nwsl award which by the way neither Press or Heath won for that. And Press sure did clean up on those lower ranked teams didn’t she… Carli will get this award since she didn’t get it last year.

        • DNG

          Considering the fact that the NWSL coaches have a vote in this award I would say that NWSL play likely does matter to this award.

          • Steglitz49

            I doubt that they can give it to Press.

        • Steglitz49

          Maybe Dunn will get it?

        • JL

          Lloyd won it last year. I still debate over whether it should have gone to her or Sauerbrunn, but she did win it.

      • Kevin

        I didn’t mention her because she wasn’t really a starter with the USWNT. The other players I did mention were.

        I thought Press had a good year overall, excluding the unfortunate PK of course.

        • Reality

          I thought you had forgotten about me. Thank you for your reply. Of course, my point in posting was to point out how well Press did despite her lack of starts, her fewer minutes and her inappropriate utilization in comparison to the nominees.

          • Kevin

            No, sorry, just didn’t see it until just now.

            I agree with what you said.

          • Reality

            Let me just add to my original comment that Press is the fifth player in WNT history to score in double-figures in goals for three consecutive years. Mia Hamm (twice), Abby Wambach (twice), Tiffeny Milbrett, and Carli Lloyd also accomplished the feat.

        • HOFCToDi

          Christen Press – tomato cans (PUR, THA, ROU)

          fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/women/index.html

          fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/women/rank=552/index.html

          Christen Press – garbage time (CRC, COL, CRC)

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    • #1Fan

      why 5 then ? 5 is 50pct of your outfield starters. So half your team are PoY candidates? Pure stupidity imo, but part of the ” everyone gets a medal” culture. Even at the highest levels. Its embarrassing that egos need this much stroking.

      • DNG

        I don’t understand why they even needed to announce the nominees. Surely they could have just announced the winner of the awards and been done with it. I think the English FA does have a first, second and third for their PotY but I kind of think that’s silly as well.

        • Steglitz49

          The Swedes do the same except for the Diamond-ball for which there are no nominations, just a winner.

        • Timber Dave

          They announce the nominees both to drum up interest and chatter — witness this article — and also to implicitly give a lesser award, “POTY Nominee”, to the four players who don’t win.

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      • Ray

        Popularity? Morgan scored 6 goals against top 10 rank teams this year far more than any other player on this list and I love Heath but she kind of disappeared in the olympics and sbc. You know the two of major tournaments this year. Dunn did great but they are giving it to Carli.

        • Steglitz49

          Verily.

      • Kevin

        “why 5 then ?”

        I have no idea. I could care less if they nominate 1 or 23.

  • guest

    Lydia Williams announced as PFA’s Women’s Footballer of the Year for 2016

    2016 Professional Footballers Australia (PFA) Players’ Awards – See more at: http://matildas.footballaustralia.com.au/article/stars-honoured-at-2016-pfa-awards/lwh3gabmca921xur91rl5nkgc#sthash.ZgcSqg9Z.dpuf

    Read more at http://www.matildas.footballaustralia.com.au/article/stars-honoured-at-2016-pfa-awards/lwh3gabmca921xur91rl5nkgc#6yexfIwlFo4Au3Bo.99

    • Steglitz49

      The article does not mention a medal for the best female U23 player, only one for the best male.

      Sounds a bit sexist given how successful the Matildas have been over the years, if it is true. Should that be the case, one option would be for foreign WoSo players to refuse to play in the Aussie league till an award is instituted to balance the books.

      Let’s trust it is just media attitude and/or a slip at the keyboard because the alternative explanation is a bit unpleasant to contemplate.

  • Paul Klee

    When Carli Lloyd wins FIFA player of the year and doesn’t win this it will be because all the Carli haters hid behind a non-public ballot. They should really make this vote public, so we can see who everyone voted for? Carli voting for Becky because she is the least likely to win. Allie Long having to make a tough choice between Tobin and Alex. Would be a hoot.

    • Steglitz49

      The FIFA ballot is made public after the winner is announced.

      We already know who are the top 3 and that will not change between now and the knees-up in Zurich.

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  • smallchief

    I’ll vote for Sauerbrunn. She wasn’t as good in 2016 as she was in 2015, but she was plenty good enough.

    The other 4 fattened their statistics by scoring goals against tomato-cans and didn’t excel when it mattered.

    And for the Press fans, yes,she also inflated her stats by scoring goals against tomato cans.

    • Steglitz49

      Neither did Brunn when it mattered for that matter, it could be argued.

      • smallchief

        Perhaps, but the US only gave up about 10 goals all year long in more than 20 games. That’s pretty good defense — and Sauerbrunn was the steady hand.

        • Steglitz49

          They gave up a goal that mattered. A lot.

          Remember that picture I sometimes post? Here it is again. Every coach looks at it with dread as should any player.

          https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0e37b9a9146ae430060a45bb31749c1aab9f993e6b0a720c2237deabf1d41252.jpg

        • DNG

          You just pointed out in your previous comment that the 4 non defenders padded their stats against weak competition. Does not not also apply to the total goals against given up by the team this year? One could argue that giving up 10 was too many given the competition.

        • NYRick

          In the 20 games, aside from Germany and France in the SBC (which was still an exhibition series), everyone else they played in 2016 was simply incapable of putting a 2 spot on them aside from complete fluke. So the 10 goals in 20 matches in not that big of deal. Just like Solo’s clean sheet record for the NT. It’s silly when fully analyzed.

          • Steglitz49

            Indeed.

        • HOFCToDi

          Contenders:
          CAN, ENG, FRA, GER, JPN, JPN, FRA, SWE

          Pretenders:
          CRC, MEX, COL, COL, CRC, NZL, COL, NED, SUI, SUI

          Tomato Cans:
          IRL, PUR, TRI, RSA, THA, ROU, ROU

          • Steglitz49

            The US tied 2-2 with Colombia in OG-16.

    • HOFCToDi

      Christen Press has yet to score a goal versus a FIFA Top 12 Ranked opponent in calendar year 2016.

      fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/women/index.html

      Christen Press has yet to provide an assist versus a FIFA Top 12 Ranked opponent in calendar year 2016.

      fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/women/index.html

      Christen Press is the quintessential international fraud.

      4 years (2013, 2014, 2015, 2016)
      78 caps
      2 head coaches

      Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

      garbage time
      prima donna
      selfish shot hog
      tomato cans

      • newsouth
        • HOFCToDi

          I could stick that face in some dough and make gorilla cookies.

        • Stegpitz49

          oh look! she’s flirting with her girlfriend. how cute.

        • HOFCToDi

          You revel in your own stupidity.

          Christen Press – international fraud extraordinaire

        • HOFCToDi

          Christen Press is a LOSER! Alex Morgan is a WINNER!

          Alex Morgan was already a WINNER at the age of 19.

          youtube.com/watch?v=PacY7Enz9hQ

          2008 Goal of the Year declared

          fifa.com/theclub/news/newsid=999807/index.html

          USA striker Alex Morgan’s 42nd-minute winner against Korea in the final of the FIFA U-20 Women’s World Cup Chile 2008 is rated as the second best goal of the year. Morgan walked away with the Adidas Silver Ball and Bronze Shoe awards for her four goals and stellar performance at the tournament.

          By the way, Christen Press is not on the list.

        • HOFCToDi

          Always Alex, never Christen …………………….

          youtube.com/watch?v=zN8lBGxk7Iw

          youtube.com/watch?v=KHCa3M5gZfo

          youtube.com/watch?v=wpPUPUCqOI8

          ussoccer.com/stories/2014/03/17/13/31/wnt-takes-2013-algarve-cup-title-with-20-win-against-germany

          youtube.com/watch?v=05RKP6RU7po

          ussoccer.com/stories/2014/03/17/13/10/wnt-wins-group-b-at-2013-algarve-cup-to-advance-to-final

          By the way, Christen Press is not on the list.

        • HOFCToDi

          Christen Press is a LOSER!

          Let’s review a 18 year old teenager versus a 27 year old international fraud extraordinaire in calendar year 2016:

          Christen Press (DOB 29 Dec 1988)
          2016 Summer Olympic Games
          Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 6, Shots on Goal 1
          Penalty Kicks Attempted 1, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

          Mallory Pugh (DOB 29 Apr 1998)
          2016 Summer Olympic Games
          Goals 1, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 4, Shots on Goal 1
          Penalty Kicks Attempted 0, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

          Christen Press (DOB 29 Dec 1988)
          2016 SheBelieves Cup
          Goals 0, Assists 0

          Mallory Pugh (DOB 29 Apr 1998)
          2016 SheBelieves Cup
          Goals 0, Assists 1

          Christen Press (DOB 29 Dec 1988)
          2016 CONCACAF Women’s Olympic Qualifying
          Knockout Stage
          Goals 0, Assists 0

          Mallory Pugh (DOB 29 Apr 1998)
          2016 CONCACAF Women’s Olympic Qualifying
          Knockout Stage
          Goals 0, Assists 2

          Christen Press is the quintessential international fraud.

          4 years (2013, 2014, 2015, 2016)
          78 caps
          2 head coaches

          Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

          garbage time
          prima donna
          selfish shot hog
          tomato cans

        • HOFCToDi

          Christen Press is a LOSER!

          Always Alex, never Christen …………………….

          youtube.com/watch?v=ccTvUHdVtOs

          youtube.com/watch?v=XIX2LVSvJYc

          youtube.com/watch?v=wpPUPUCqOI8

          youtube.com/watch?v=KHCa3M5gZfo

        • HOFCToDi

          Christen Press is a LOSER!

          Always Alex, never Christen …………………….

          Friday, 11 Mar 2016
          Morgan, Solo and the USA Sweep Awards at 2016 SBC
          ussoccer.com/v~13.17/~/media/images/wnt/gallery-images/2016/03/160309-wnt-v-ger/160309-wnt-vs-ger-gallery20.jpg?h=559&w=800&la=en&hash=B1A7B6E0C01C796F4C31CF422F0CC370A4D5CF89&yocs=6_&yoloc=us

          ussoccer.com/stories/2016/03/11/13/17/160311-wnt-morgan-solo-and-the-usa-sweep-awards-at-2016-shebelieves-cup

          By the way, Christen Press is not on the list.

          Christen Press is the quintessential international fraud.

          4 years (2013, 2014, 2015, 2016)
          78 caps
          2 head coaches

          Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

          garbage time
          prima donna
          selfish shot hog
          tomato cans

        • HOFCToDi

          Christen Press – tomato cans (PUR, THA, ROU)

          fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/women/index.html

          fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/women/rank=552/index.html

    • HOFCToDi

      Calendar Year 2016
      FIFA Top 10 Ranked Opponents
      USWNT Goals Scored
      Morgan (DOB 02 Jul 1989) – 6
      Horan (DOB 26 May 1994) – 2
      Dunn (DOB 03 Jul 1992) – 1
      Heath (DOB 29 May 1988) – 1
      Johnston (DOB 06 Apr 1992) – 1
      Lloyd (DOB 16 Jul 1982) – 1
      Mewis (DOB 09 Oct 1992) – 1

      By the way, Christen Press is not on the list.

      ussoccer.com/womens-national-t…

      Christen Press is the quintessential international fraud.

      4 years (2013, 2014, 2015, 2016)
      78 caps
      2 head coaches

      Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

      garbage time
      prima donna
      selfish shot hog
      tomato cans

    • DNG

      While I would have voted for Sauerbrunn last year without hesitation, I don’t think Sauerbrunn was good enough this year. She made a noticeable amount of errors all year that led to dangerous chances which is saying something when the NT has the ball 75% of any given match. I don’t really value statistics in these awards for the reasons you gave either. Still judging on who was the best player this year, I’m not sure Sauerbrunn is even in my top 5.

      • Steglitz49

        Indeed,

    • NYRick

      Ummm…the team player A LOT of tomato cans in 2016. Especially after the OG. Aside from the SBC and the Sweden match, 80% of their matches were cans. So let’s be fair in the evaluation.

      • HOFCToDi

        CAN, ENG, FRA, GER, JPN, JPN, FRA, SWE, NED

        fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/women/index.html

        fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/women/rank=554/index.html

        fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/women/rank=553/index.html

        fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/women/rank=552/index.html

        Christen Press has yet to score a goal versus a FIFA Top 12 Ranked opponent in calendar year 2016.

        Christen Press has yet to provide an assist versus a FIFA Top 12 Ranked opponent in calendar year 2016.

        Christen Press is the quintessential international fraud.

        4 years (2013, 2014, 2015, 2016)
        78 caps
        2 head coaches

        Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

        garbage time
        prima donna
        selfish shot hog
        tomato cans

      • HOFCToDi

        CAN, ENG, FRA, GER, JPN, JPN, FRA, SWE, NED

        fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/women/index.html

        fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/women/rank=554/index.html

        fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/women/rank=553/index.html

        fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/women/rank=552/index.html

        Calendar Year 2016
        FIFA Top 10 Ranked Opponents
        USWNT Goals Scored
        Morgan (DOB 02 Jul 1989) – 6
        Horan (DOB 26 May 1994) – 2
        Dunn (DOB 03 Jul 1992) – 1
        Heath (DOB 29 May 1988) – 1
        Johnston (DOB 06 Apr 1992) – 1
        Lloyd (DOB 16 Jul 1982) – 1
        Mewis (DOB 09 Oct 1992) – 1

        By the way, Christen Press is not on the list.

        ussoccer.com/womens-national-team/lineups

        Christen Press is the quintessential international fraud.

        4 years (2013, 2014, 2015, 2016)
        78 caps
        2 head coaches

        Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

        garbage time
        prima donna
        selfish shot hog
        tomato cans

      • HOFCToDi

        CAN, ENG, FRA, GER, JPN, JPN, FRA, SWE, NED

        fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/women/index.html

        fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/women/rank=554/index.html

        fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/women/rank=553/index.html

        fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/women/rank=552/index.html

        USWNT Career
        FIFA Top 10 Ranked Opponents
        USWNT Goals Scored
        Morgan (DOB 02 Jul 1989) – 34
        Leroux (DOB 07 May 1990) – 8
        Press (DOB 29 Dec 1988) – 3
        Johnston (DOB 06 Apr 1992) – 2
        Dunn (DOB 03 Jul 1992) – 2
        Horan (DOB 26 May 1994) – 2
        Mewis (DOB 09 Oct 1992) – 1

        Christen Press is the quintessential international fraud.

        4 years (2013, 2014, 2015, 2016)
        78 caps
        2 head coaches

        Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

        garbage time
        prima donna
        selfish shot hog
        tomato cans

      • HOFCToDi

        CAN, ENG, FRA, GER, JPN, JPN, FRA, SWE, NED

        fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/women/index.html

        fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/women/rank=554/index.html

        fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/women/rank=553/index.html

        fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/women/rank=552/index.html

        Sunday, 21 Feb 2016
        TSG announces CWOQ Best XI, Awards
        ussoccer.com/v~13.17/~/media/images/wnt/gallery-images/2016/02/160221-wnt-v-can/photo-gallery/160221-wnt-vs-can-photo-gallery19.jpg?h=600&w=786&la=en&hash=BF5ABEEA5BE7034EF13FA4F320F9E7BB8E549331&yocs=6_&yoloc=us

        concacaf.com/article/tsg-announces-cwoq-best-xi-awards

        By the way, Christen Press is not on the list.

        Christen Press is the quintessential international fraud.

        4 years (2013, 2014, 2015, 2016)
        78 caps
        2 head coaches

        Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

        garbage time
        prima donna
        selfish shot hog
        tomato cans

      • HOFCToDi

        CAN, ENG, FRA, GER, JPN, JPN, FRA, SWE, NED

        fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/women/index.html

        fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/women/rank=554/index.html

        fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/women/rank=553/index.html

        fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/women/rank=552/index.html

        Friday, 11 Mar 2016
        Morgan, Solo and the USA Sweep Awards at 2016 SBC
        ussoccer.com/v~13.17/~/media/images/wnt/gallery-images/2016/03/160309-wnt-v-ger/160309-wnt-vs-ger-gallery20.jpg?h=559&w=800&la=en&hash=B1A7B6E0C01C796F4C31CF422F0CC370A4D5CF89&yocs=6_&yoloc=us

        ussoccer.com/stories/2016/03/11/13/17/160311-wnt-morgan-solo-and-the-usa-sweep-awards-at-2016-shebelieves-cup

        By the way, Christen Press is not on the list.

        Christen Press is the quintessential international fraud.

        4 years (2013, 2014, 2015, 2016)
        78 caps
        2 head coaches

        Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

        garbage time
        prima donna
        selfish shot hog
        tomato cans

      • HOFCToDi

        CAN, ENG, FRA, GER, JPN, JPN, FRA, SWE, NED

        fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/women/index.html

        fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/women/rank=554/index.html

        fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/women/rank=553/index.html

        fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/women/rank=552/index.html

        Christen Press
        2016 Summer Olympic Games
        Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 6, Shots on Goal 1
        Penalty Kicks Attempted 1, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

        Christen Press
        2016 Rio Olympics
        12 Aug 2016
        USA 1 SWE 1
        Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 2, Shots on Goal 0
        Penalty Kicks Attempted 1, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

        rio2016.com/en/football-womens-quarterfinal-fb-3

        Christen Press
        2016 Rio Olympics
        09 Aug 2016
        USA 2 COL 2
        Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 4, Shots on Goal 1
        Penalty Kicks Attempted 0, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

        rio2016.com/en/football-womens-first-round-group-g-fb-5

        Christen Press is the quintessential international fraud.

        4 years (2013, 2014, 2015, 2016)
        78 caps
        2 head coaches

        Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

        garbage time
        prima donna
        selfish shot hog
        tomato cans

      • HOFCToDi

        CAN, ENG, FRA, GER, JPN, JPN, FRA, SWE, NED

        fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/women/index.html

        fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/women/rank=554/index.html

        fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/women/rank=553/index.html

        fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/women/rank=552/index.html

        Christen Press
        2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
        12 Jun 2015
        USA 0 SWE 0
        Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots 2, Shots on Goal 0

        resources.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/02/64/73/21/eng_19_0612_usa-swe_fulltime.pdf

        Christen Press
        2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
        22 Jun 2015
        USA 2 COL 0
        Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots 1, Shots on Goal 0

        resources.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/02/65/26/11/eng_38_0622_usa-col_fulltime.pdf

        Christen Press
        2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
        26 Jun 2015
        USA 1 CHN 0
        Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots 2, Shots on Goal 0

        resources.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/02/65/35/93/eng_45_0626_chn-usa_fulltime.pdf

        Christen Press could not even register a shot on goal.

        Nevermind Christen Press started eleven of the first twelve matches for the USWNT in calendar year 2015.

        ussoccer.com/womens-national-team/lineups/2015-lineups

        ROFLMAO!

      • HOFCToDi

        CAN, ENG, FRA, GER, JPN, JPN, FRA, SWE, NED

        fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/women/index.html

        fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/women/rank=554/index.html

        fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/women/rank=553/index.html

        fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/women/rank=552/index.html

        Christen Press
        2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
        16 Jun 2015
        USA 1 NGA 0
        Minutes Played 0

        resources.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/02/65/00/60/eng_31_0616_nga-usa_fulltime.pdf

        Christen Press was BENCHED!

        Christen Press
        2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
        30 Jun 2015
        USA 2 GER 0
        Minutes Played 0

        resources.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/02/65/52/49/eng_49_0630_usa-ger_fulltime.pdf

        Christen Press was BENCHED!

        Christen Press
        2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
        05 Jul 2015
        USA 5 JPN 2
        Minutes Played 0

        resources.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/02/66/12/93/eng_52_0705_usa-jpn_fulltime.pdf

        Christen Press was BENCHED!

        Nevermind Christen Press started eleven of the first twelve matches for the USWNT in calendar year 2015.

        ussoccer.com/womens-national-team/lineups/2015-lineups

        ROFLMAO!

      • HOFCToDi

        CAN, ENG, FRA, GER, JPN, JPN, FRA, SWE, NED

        fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/women/index.html

        fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/women/rank=554/index.html

        fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/women/rank=553/index.html

        fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/women/rank=552/index.html

        For USWNT posterity:

        30 June 2015 vs GER, 05 July 2015 vs JPN
        drawformation.com/post/56bc60cb89182/56bc60cb89182.png

        Nevermind Christen Press started eleven of the first twelve matches for the USWNT in calendar year 2015.

        ussoccer.com/womens-national-team/lineups/2015-lineups

        ROFLMAO!

        • Steglitz49

          For USWNT posterity as in backside — 12 August 2016:

          Hope; Brunn, KO, Klings, JJ; Long, Carli, Moe; Tobin, Mallory, Alex: Dunn, Pinoe, Press, Horan.

      • Steglitz49

        Indeed. You could argue that the only match that mattered was the Bomb in Brasilia. What they were doing against Colombia never gets a mention in dispatches.

        Funny that.

  • NYRick

    Brunn a good soldier, but I don’t see how she possibly even cracks into a Top 5 of US players this year. That’s flat out ridiculous. For her now, it’s like those baseball all-stars they put on the roster for their years and popularity of service. And to emphasize, I am not mocking her with this, I’m just being objective. We know she is a good player and has had great years as well, just last year wasn’t one of them for club or country.

    Also, they really should just pick 3, not 5. My three would be in order:
    1) Heath (overall I think a fairly easy choice, dominant in the NWSL and a solid standout year for the NT
    2) Morgan. Nice goal total and was dominant in the SBC and had a huge late goal in the Sweden OG match to send the game to OT.
    3) I’d go with Pugh here. I think she was impactful and exciting. Actually Dunn could go in this spot as well. Either one would be fine.

    • Steglitz49

      Hear hear!

    • anon

      I appreciate NYRick for being the most objective Press superfan on Equalizer… he is grounded in “reality”. Press had a great last 4 or so matches, probably after a fire was lit under her post-OG by her own motivation/perfectionism or perhaps Ellis. Before that though, Heath, Dunn and Pugh were more electric to watch.

      • HOFCToDi

        Christen Press – tomato cans (PUR, THA, ROU) and garbage time (CRC, COL).

        • Guest

          Just give it up already.you are clearly a hater who knows very little about football. No one takes you seriously.

          • HOFCToDi

            Women’s Football shortlists for the FIFA Ballon d’Or 2015

            fifa.com/the-best-fifa-football-awards/news/y=2015/m=10/news=women-s-football-shortlists-for-fifa-ballon-d-or-2015-revealed-2719030.html

            By the way, Christen Press is not on the list.

            Nevermind Christen Press started eleven of the first twelve matches for the USWNT in calendar year 2015.

            ussoccer.com/womens-national-team/lineups/2015-lineups

            ROFLMAO!

          • HOFCToDi

            Nominees Set For 2015 US Soccer Female Player of the Year

            ussoccer.com/stories/2015/12/10/20/05/151210-wnt-nominees-set-for-2015-us-soccer-female-player-of-the-year

            By the way, Christen Press is not on the list.

            Nevermind Christen Press started eleven of the first twelve matches for the USWNT in calendar year 2015.

            ussoccer.com/womens-national-team/lineups/2015-lineups

            ROFLMAO!

          • HOFCToDi

            Who will be The Best FIFA Women’s Player 2016?

            fifa.com/the-best-fifa-football-awards/news/y=2016/m=11/news=who-will-be-the-best-fifa-women-s-player-2016-2847758.html

            By the way, Christen Press is not on the list.

            ROFLMAO!

          • HOFCToDi

            Sunday, 21 Feb 2016
            TSG announces CWOQ Best XI, Awards
            ussoccer.com/v~13.17/~/media/images/wnt/gallery-images/2016/02/160221-wnt-v-can/photo-gallery/160221-wnt-vs-can-photo-gallery19.jpg?h=600&w=786&la=en&hash=BF5ABEEA5BE7034EF13FA4F320F9E7BB8E549331&yocs=6_&yoloc=us

            concacaf.com/article/tsg-announces-cwoq-best-xi-awards

            By the way, Christen Press is not on the list.

            Christen Press is the quintessential international fraud.

            4 years (2013, 2014, 2015, 2016)
            78 caps
            2 head coaches

            Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

            garbage time
            prima donna
            selfish shot hog
            tomato cans

          • HOFCToDi

            Friday, 11 Mar 2016
            Morgan, Solo and the USA Sweep Awards at 2016 SBC
            ussoccer.com/v~13.17/~/media/images/wnt/gallery-images/2016/03/160309-wnt-v-ger/160309-wnt-vs-ger-gallery20.jpg?h=559&w=800&la=en&hash=B1A7B6E0C01C796F4C31CF422F0CC370A4D5CF89&yocs=6_&yoloc=us

            ussoccer.com/stories/2016/03/11/13/17/160311-wnt-morgan-solo-and-the-usa-sweep-awards-at-2016-shebelieves-cup

            By the way, Christen Press is not on the list.

            Christen Press is the quintessential international fraud.

            4 years (2013, 2014, 2015, 2016)
            78 caps
            2 head coaches

            Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

            garbage time
            prima donna
            selfish shot hog
            tomato cans

          • HOFCToDi

            Christen Press
            2016 Summer Olympic Games
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 6, Shots on Goal 1
            Penalty Kicks Attempted 1, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

            Christen Press
            2016 Rio Olympics
            12 Aug 2016
            USA 1 SWE 1
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 2, Shots on Goal 0
            Penalty Kicks Attempted 1, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

            rio2016.com/en/football-womens-quarterfinal-fb-3

            Christen Press
            2016 Rio Olympics
            09 Aug 2016
            USA 2 COL 2
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 4, Shots on Goal 1
            Penalty Kicks Attempted 0, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

            rio2016.com/en/football-womens-first-round-group-g-fb-5

            Christen Press is the quintessential international fraud.

            4 years (2013, 2014, 2015, 2016)
            78 caps
            2 head coaches

            Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

            garbage time
            prima donna
            selfish shot hog
            tomato cans

          • HOFCToDi

            Calendar Year 2016
            FIFA Top 10 Ranked Opponents
            USWNT Goals Scored
            Morgan (DOB 02 Jul 1989) – 6
            Horan (DOB 26 May 1994) – 2
            Dunn (DOB 03 Jul 1992) – 1
            Heath (DOB 29 May 1988) – 1
            Johnston (DOB 06 Apr 1992) – 1
            Lloyd (DOB 16 Jul 1982) – 1
            Mewis (DOB 09 Oct 1992) – 1

            By the way, Christen Press is not on the list.

            ussoccer.com/womens-national-team/lineups

            Christen Press is the quintessential international fraud.

            4 years (2013, 2014, 2015, 2016)
            78 caps
            2 head coaches

            Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

            garbage time
            prima donna
            selfish shot hog
            tomato cans

          • HOFCToDi

            Christen Press has yet to score a goal versus a FIFA Top 12 Ranked opponent in calendar year 2016.

            Christen Press has yet to provide an assist versus a FIFA Top 12 Ranked opponent in calendar year 2016.

            Christen Press is the quintessential international fraud.

            4 years (2013, 2014, 2015, 2016)
            78 caps
            2 head coaches

            Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

            garbage time
            prima donna
            selfish shot hog
            tomato cans

          • HOFCToDi

            Let’s review a 18 year old teenager versus a 27 year old international fraud extraordinaire in calendar year 2016:

            Christen Press (DOB 29 Dec 1988)
            2016 Summer Olympic Games
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 6, Shots on Goal 1
            Penalty Kicks Attempted 1, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

            Mallory Pugh (DOB 29 Apr 1998)
            2016 Summer Olympic Games
            Goals 1, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 4, Shots on Goal 1
            Penalty Kicks Attempted 0, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

            Christen Press (DOB 29 Dec 1988)
            2016 SheBelieves Cup
            Goals 0, Assists 0

            Mallory Pugh (DOB 29 Apr 1998)
            2016 SheBelieves Cup
            Goals 0, Assists 1

            Christen Press (DOB 29 Dec 1988)
            2016 CONCACAF Women’s Olympic Qualifying
            Knockout Stage
            Goals 0, Assists 0

            Mallory Pugh (DOB 29 Apr 1998)
            2016 CONCACAF Women’s Olympic Qualifying
            Knockout Stage
            Goals 0, Assists 2

            Christen Press is the quintessential international fraud.

            4 years (2013, 2014, 2015, 2016)
            78 caps
            2 head coaches

            Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

            garbage time
            prima donna
            selfish shot hog
            tomato cans

          • Guest

            You are a clueless troll. Continuing to spam the comment sections of this website only further diminishes your credibility.

          • HOFCToDi

            Let’s review a 18 year old teenager versus a 27 year old international fraud extraordinaire in calendar year 2016:

            Calendar Year 2016
            FIFA Top 10 Ranked Opponents
            USWNT Assists Provided
            Pugh (DOB 29 Apr 1998) – 3
            Press (DOB 29 Dec 1988) – 0

            Christen Press is the quintessential international fraud.

            4 years (2013, 2014, 2015, 2016)
            78 caps
            2 head coaches

            Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

            garbage time
            prima donna
            selfish shot hog
            tomato cans

          • Guest

            Let’s review:

            HOCFToDi knows very little about football and provides nothing to a meaningful discussion.

          • HOFCToDi

            Summer Olympic Games
            Games Started
            Leroux (DOB 07 May 1990) – 0
            Press (DOB 29 Dec 1988) – 1

            Summer Olympic Games
            Minutes Played
            Leroux (DOB 07 May 1990) – 77
            Press (DOB 29 Dec 1988) – 123

            Summer Olympic Games
            Goals Scored
            Leroux (DOB 07 May 1990) – 1
            Press (DOB 29 Dec 1988) – 0

            Christen Press is the quintessential international fraud.

            4 years (2013, 2014, 2015, 2016)
            78 caps
            2 head coaches

            Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

            garbage time
            prima donna
            selfish shot hog
            tomato cans

          • HOFCToDi

            USWNT Career
            FIFA Top 10 Ranked Opponents
            USWNT Goals Scored
            Leroux (DOB 07 May 1990) – 8
            Press (DOB 29 Dec 1988) – 3

            Christen Press is the quintessential international fraud.

            4 years (2013, 2014, 2015, 2016)
            78 caps
            2 head coaches

            Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

            garbage time
            prima donna
            selfish shot hog
            tomato cans

          • HOFCToDi

            2008 FIFA U-20 Women’s World Cup

            fifa.com/u20womensworldcup/matches/round=250258/match=300066382/photos/index.html#

            fifa.com/u20womensworldcup/matches/round=250258/match=300066382/photos/index.html#972143

            fifa.com/u20womensworldcup/matches/round=250258/match=300066382/photos/index.html#971734

            fifa.com/u20womensworldcup/matches/round=250258/match=300066382/photos/index.html#976021

            fifa.com/u20womensworldcup/matches/round=250258/match=300066382/photos/index.html#971522

            By the way, Christen Press is not on the list.

          • Steglitz49

            You must be new to this site.

  • Florencecwong

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  • Stegpitz49

    Christen Press and Tobin Heath are in Sweden (Lulea)

    • Guest

      they must be freezing. maybe Steglitz49 can offer them some shelter

      • Stegpitz49

        No room in my mom’s basement. Surely they are keeping each other warm anyway.

        • Steglitz49

          Uncalled for.

      • Steglitz49

        Today it was 23F and tomorrow it will be 7F and then back to about 20F. Sunny with clouds.

    • Steglitz49

      Luleå is a city at 65 north. It is both a county capital, a see and has a university of technology (mainly mining). It has one of these Unesco world heritage areas centered around the old church and the houses around it: Lower Luleå Church and the Old Town Church Town — if that makes sense.

      Are you sure it is not Piteå because Piteå has a team in Damallsvenskan (Luleå was relegated a while ago). Piteå finished 4th last season.

    • guest

      does this mean they are on another “friend” vacation together alone again?

      • Steglitz49

        It is not the most obvious place in the Nordic countries to go for a holiday. I presume they are going to the Ice Hotel in Jukkasjärvi — the original one of these ice hotels.

        Else Jukkasjärvi is known for its church, mainly the altarpiece designed and carved by Bror Hjorth.

        • ABCDE

          They at least went to Treehotel. Tobin seems like the type to enjoy anything extreme outdoorsy, she is very nature oriented… dogsledding, bobsledding, cross country skiing, extreme camping.

          • Guester

            treehotel is a 5 star luxury resort.. hardly extreme camping. Lmao.

          • Steglitz49

            If you can afford it, why not enjoy it?

            Maybe on to Kiruna before it sinks into the ground?

          • Steglitz49

            As Guester types, Tree Hotel is worthy of a detour:
            http://www.treehotel.se/en/

      • Guest

        Perhaps they are there to see the northern lights. A romantic sounding getaway, certainly.

        • Steglitz49

          Apparently the weather conditions are not good for Northern Lights in Luleå in the next couple of days. Maybe they are heading for Kiruna?

    • Guest

      I see Christen’s instagram picture do you actually have any real proof that they were together there?

      • Steglitz49

        It could be that they are running smokescreens and decoys for each other.

      • guest

        Tobin will probably post a latergram from Sweden. They have been in London for Christen’s event, then Barcelona, so I figure they are still together.

  • NYRick

    Congrats to the Seattle Sounders. Very intense match. I know there are several posters on here who are Sounders fans so enjoy your title. They are a team that has come close many of the past few years and I’m sure frustrated their loyal fanbase. I can relate as a Red Bulls fan although I’ve resided to the fact that they will always find a way to never get that elusive title.

    • Steglitz49

      Meanwhile in WoSo-land down under Canberra Utd beat Melbourne City.

      Canberra’s Jenna McCormick headed them in front via the crossbar just after the break and although Beverly Yanez soon levelled from distance, assisted by Welsh international Jess Fishlock, Karly Roestbakken restored United’s advantage on 82 minutes to bring an end to Melbourne’s mighty achievement. Having Beattie and Little in their side did not help Melbourne City.

      The result leaves Melbourne top on goal-differemce only from Sydney United, while Canberra move up to third and within two points of the leaders.

      And, btw, there have been upsets in the FA Cup as usual.

  • Bill

    Since much of the thread is speculation, how is this for speculation:

    Notice that there is behind the scenes bargaining. Notice that at least three stars if not more…just happen to be flirting with European offers or wandering in soccer lands in the middle of winter. Coordinated or not, fair or not, some players who are draws for fans really do have options especially in non critical years. Can they be replaced? Of course. And the dedicated soccer fans like the ones on this site will be fine watching new talent. But that does not add new fans who might take their children to see stars they heard of or TV/Youtube videos. And new fans are what owners need at this time.

    Who knows?

    • mockmook

      I think the jersey has more power than the players (if we are talking USWNT games).

      For the NWSL, there may be a little initial drop off, but as long as the replacements are high quality, I think attendance would recover. Each year, soccer is becoming bigger in the USA — it may take many years, but I think it is inevitable that a domestic woso league will be successful.

      • Steglitz49

        I hope you are right but I remain to be convinced.

      • Bill

        I agree that is the long term reality. Imho, getting there is fraught with folks thrown overboard as the process goes sudden two steps back for every three slower trend line forward over time.

    • Steglitz49

      If they have those options, why have they not signed already? The activity in the European market has been busy. Why no American stars declared yet?

      Are they waiting to see how bad the CBA will be? In that case, their price goes down, does it not?

    • guest

      Dunn will probably try to go abroad. Morgan might. Press/Heath are just on vacation… Heath loves the Thorns and Press probably wants to continue to solidify her spot/possibly become a starter on the NT. If Dunn and Morgan go abroad and miss camps/games with the NT as a result, this is her chance to do that. Abby herself said recently that going abroad can be problematic for one’s national team career… not that she always knows what she is talking about.

      • Steglitz49

        Both Tobin and Christen have already played in Europe, though it was a while ago. I do not see them in a hurry to return.

        Alex might, just for the heck of it, If I were Crystal I would go for a spell abroad. If PSG are not interested, maybe Montpellier would suit. Else there are clubs in Sweden and Norway, of course.

    • guest

      let’s keep in mind all the uswnt players want to play for the same top six european women’s clubs. and they will have to fight for those spots with the top european players. only so many roster spots to go around. the modern footballer is not looking to help build a champion contending team, they are looking to collect trophies.

  • Steglitz49

    Meanwhile, from the other side of the pond, on Sunday Jan 8th the FA women’s Cup 2nd round will be played:

    Long Eaton United v Brighouse Town
    Derby County v Sheffield United
    West Bromwich Albion v Radcliffe Olympic
    Nottingham Forest v Wolverhampton Wanderers
    Middlesbrough v Leicester City Women

    Blackburn Rovers v Hull City
    Liverpool Marshall Feds v Newcastle United
    Coventry United v Milton Keynes Dons
    C&K Basildon v Keynsham Town
    Lewes v Cardiff City

    Tottenham Hotspur v Gillingham
    Plymouth Argyle v AFC Wimbledon
    Cambridge United v Southampton Women
    Charlton Athletic v Portsmouth

    The FAWSL 1&2 teams enter in a later round.

  • guest

    who will win uswnt mvp of the tomato can games??? the suspense is killing me.

    • Steglitz49

      It says at the end of the article that “the winners will be announced Sunday, December 11”. Even in CA it must be Dec 12th by now. Don’t know about Hawaii.

    • anon

      Heath. Lloyd will win FIFA POTY this year and every year she continues to play.

      • guest

        Heath is continuously overlooked for these things. I wouldn’t be surprised if Lloyd wins. i will lmao.

        • Steglitz49

          I thought Tobin has been in a treetop this last week.

      • Steglitz49

        If WoSo wants to be taken seriously, it needs to get its house in order. Priorities and focus. Can it be so difficult?

  • Steglitz49

    Meanwhile on the other side of the Pond, David Parker has resigned as Birmingham City Ladies Manager, following Head Coach Marcus Bignot’s recent move to Grimsby Town.

    David Parker had been with Brum for 7 years. While he was Manager, the Blues won the Women’s FA Cup in 2012 and qualified for the Champions League in 2013 and 2014. The Ladies also reached three Continental Tyres Cup Finals.

    Let’s hope they can find someone equally good.

  • Reality
    • guest

      no one cares. also, she was there with her girlfriend to watch soccer. they met up with allie long and her husband (there are pictures). i wouldnt be surprised if she tries to bail from the red stars as soon as she can to go to a california team though.

      • Reality

        Press reunited with her friend Jennifer Hermoso from their Tyreso days who is currently with the FCBarcelona women’s team…

        https://www.fcbarcelona.es/futbol/femenino-a/plantilla/jugadores/2016-2017/j-hermoso

        https://www.instagram.com/p/BNrH5dtAXEm/?taken-by=christenpress

        • DNG

          Just ignore these guests. They seem to be way too invested in these player’s personal lives with no regard for their privacy.

          • Reality

            I generally ignore them, but I just wanted to clarify the record.

          • guest

            clarify what record? you are the one bringing up weird speculation about Press/FC Barcelona. It is a fact, not sepculation that she was there to watch a soccer game with Tobin, Allie and her husband.

          • Steglitz49

            Some honeymoon.

          • guest

            and then sergio ramos had to put an end to the party. talk about a clutch player

        • Guest

          i don’t see how meeting up with an old friend means anything re: NWSL but ok. are you implying that she is FCBarcelona’s new rep for the USA? that she is dirty dealing behind Dames’ back? not sure I understand your point,other than that you are pretty obsessed with everything Press.

          • Steglitz49

            To be fair to Reality, one of the high priests of the Pressgang, this is the first time he has made bottom-feeding allusions (slurs iow) to Christen’s private life.

        • guest

          Clearly, Press has found true love in Barcelona! Look how they embrace each other!

          • well

            tobin was taking the picture. she is in another picture with them.

          • guest

            A ménage à trois? The more, the merrier, as they say.

          • Steglitz49

            You evoke a whole bunch of images like Frankenstein, Shelley and Byron, or Lord Nelson, not to forget Disraeli and Engels. At least Disraeli became Prime Minister.

          • Steglitz49

            When were they in that Treetop in Sweden?

          • guest

            sometime after London and Barcelona.

          • Steglitz49

            Thank you. Maybe they are looking to join Östersund if not Piteå?

          • Steglitz49

            Jennifer Hermoso Fuentes came up through Atletico Madrid. then she played for Rayo Vallecano, also in Madrid, and now is at Barcelona after her sojourn in Tyresö. How a girl from Madrid copes in the high temple of Catalanism, is a good question.

    • DNG

      The Red Stars would need to get something similar to what Portland got for Morgan for me to think it’s worth if for them to trade Press.

      • Reality

        There are many variables involved here including Press’s contract with CRS, the upcoming CBA, the time frame for new NWSL teams, etc.

        I’m sure that Dames would like to retain Press and would make any team pay dearly for her. This is all hot stove speculation, but there are interesting possibilities. I think Press would fit in nicely to the Barca style of play and if they obtained the right coach, a Barca NWSL team could prove to be quite formidable.

        • DNG

          I don’t think a Barcelona style team would be very effective in the NWSL which is full of very fast counter-attacking teams. I think Press will be productive with almost any offense though. She’d fit in at Portland, Seattle or FCKC pretty seamlessly.

          • Reality

            As far as the current NWSL teams are concerned, Portland, Seattle or FCKC would all be productive for Press. However, I would think that she would ultimately prefer California and might bide her time for that opportunity.

            The Barca style does well enough against the fast counter-attack and indeed does it themselves when opportune. How they would fare in the NWSL would depend heavily on team composition and the right coach to implement it.

          • DNG

            Barcelona’s style works because for years they have had two magicians in their midfield, Xavi and Iniesta, not to mention the greatest forward to ever play the game. They’ve actually struggled quite a bit early this year when Iniesta was out injured. I don’t really see any comparable players in WoSo and the only somewhat comparable team I see is the Japanese WNT.

            I don’t know if you saw the Arsenal Reign match up this year but I came away from that match thinking that Arsenal, while trying to implement their style, had a difficult time dealing with Seattle’s speed up front. I think a team like WNY of Houston would have caused the some serious problems.

            I sort of look at it like the USWNT and German WNT from recent years. Germany like to play a high line but don’t really have the speed in their back line to stop the fast US frontline players. Morgan gave them major problems in both games over the last year and a half because of their tactical choice while Sweden dealt with her easily due to their tactical set up.

          • Reality

            Well that is the problem with American WOSO isn’t it…a lack of strong midfielders who are able to control possession and the run of play to get the offense up to the forward line.

            I didn’t see the Arsenal match, but your point is well taken. The El Classico between Barcelona and Real Madrid does epitomize this to some extent. While their styles of play are different, their matches are closely fought and often depend on a single play to determine the winner.

            Our reliance on fast counter-attack will often win against most of our opponents in WOSO. However, it is evident that the better teams are learning to nullify that advantage and even some mid-level teams have caused us difficulty. It goes back to my long post about the USWNT culture and how it needs to change in order for us to remain dominant. Whether Gulati and his coaching staff are capable of that is another question.

          • #1Fan

            I agree to a point. I think its partly they are catching up, but also becasue the USA is not picking a team suited to play fast counter attacking soccer. They are trying to be more possession oriented and are neither one nor the other. You cannot play that way with Lloyd.

          • Steglitz49

            Many if not all might contend that the principle of organized defense coupled to a blistering counter-attck in numbers was Lars Lagerbäck’s contribution. It rubbed off on the Swe WNT for sure.

          • Reality

            LOL…Good point. What way exactly does the USWNT play when Lloyd is on the field which is virtually all the time?

          • #1Fan

            its like baseball and she is the designated shooter 🙂

          • Steglitz49

            Where is the informed, objective and in depth analysis of the Bomb in Brasilia? That would help the US to move forward.

          • Steglitz49

            Who is catching up with whom? The US did not play in the finals of either WC-03 or WC-07 and lost in WC-11. As for OG-16, their most recent outing, let’s draw a sheet over the corpse, hold our collective noses and walk on on the other side.

          • #1Fan

            you only measure things by who wins. Any one who is watching can tell that the US has been ahead of the pack for a long time , win or no win

          • Steglitz49

            The US won all OGs except Sydney. That is why the Bomb in Brasilia smarts so much. Found wanting on a big stage. It was the other ladies who got to step out on the Maracana twice to boot.

            It is said (with slight exaggeration for effect) that the Mighty Magyars only lost one game during their blessed period but it was the wrong one: the WC-54 final.

          • DNG

            You can’t field the best of either a possession side or a counter-attacking side with Lloyd. She is both slow to move her feet, move the ball and struggles immensely under pressure. Lloyd is a poacher surrounded by good players.

          • #1Fan

            Agreed. It is ironic that with all this talk of progressive soccer, the USWNT is led by the very type of player they say they no longer select. It is the ultimate hypocrisy and they are fools if they think that people do not see through it.

          • Steglitz49

            Carli has the reputations and the goals. The best hope is that having got married, she may follow in ARod’s footsteps.

          • Steglitz49

            Carli has served the USWNT well over the years but maybe OG-16 was a year too far.

          • Steglitz49

            Your statement that — “Our reliance on fast counter-attack will often win against most of our opponents in WOSO” — is somewhat meaningless seeing that the US usually dominates its opponents. Thus, it is the other side that gets to play the fast counter-attack as a rule.

            Possession is only worth having provided you can finish the job and defend against the odd attack. In the Bomb in Brasilia the USWNT failed on both accounts.

            As more money has crept into the ladies game over the past 5 years or so, the standard has risen also. Paradoxically, the USWNT has been the one not benefiting from this injection of cash because of the need to build and establish the NWSL.

          • Steglitz49

            That was before the Bomb in Brasilia.

          • #1Fan

            I have echoed this a thousand times. Until the womens game becomes tactically more sophisticated globally US, speed will rule. The US at youth level face the best most of these countries will ever offer. becasue many of these kids just cannot afford to stay in the game. Over time the US win via attrition.

          • Steglitz49

            Sasaki’s genius was to realize that Barca could serve as a model for the Nadeshiko.

            The game that Barca plays even to this day goes back to Johan Cruyff.

          • Steglitz49

            Arsenal Ladies. The team, that dominated UK WoSo and even won the Champions League in 2007 by defeating Umeå, are not what they once were. In 2015 and 2016 they finished 3d after Chelsea and Man City and Man City and Chelsea, respectively, though, to be fair, they won the FA Cup this season and the Conti Cup in 2015, so there is life in the old dogs yet.

          • #1Fan

            a Barca style team needs Barca style players . Not many in the NWSL. Japan seem to have a few tho. Funny how they are not counted among the worlds best 😉

          • Steglitz49

            Indeed.

            Barcelona Ladies face Rosengård in the ladies Champions League QF in the spring. They may well want Christen or some other NWSL player to be in their squad for those games.

          • Dr Robert

            You seem to be very bored if you even try to establish a discussion on them joining Barca. They love the men’s side, have vacations and wanted to see them live. NOTHING more

          • Steglitz49

            I thought they were fans of Gaudi’s architecture.

          • DNG

            I really admire the Japanese players and the commitment to their style. Their possession style is mostly born out of necessity though. They simply do not produce the type of players capable of absorbing pressure before countering. Also even though they have an entire team full of players with better ball skills than 90 percent of the players on any other team, they are always at a disadvantage against any team who is superior athletically.

            I definitely agree with your point Japanese players constantly being underrated. Beside players like Miyama or Sawa there just aren’t a lot of recognizable Japanese players in general. Most of them playing in their own league probably has something to do with that since most fans only get to see them play a few times every 4 years. In the right system I have no doubt some of the Japanese players would be stars in D1 colleges.

          • Reality

            As I’ve often said, why not combine our strengths in speed, athleticism and endurance with superior technical skills and possession. This is the direction the USWNT should be moving to ensure that our women and our teams have the greatest opportunity to realize their full potential. This is a cultural problem that needs to be addressed through more effective administration and management at every level of the USSF. Gulati and his team of coaches have only given lip service to this challenge.

          • DNG

            This is obviously what the goal should be but it’s difficult when the team has as much politics involved in it as the USWNT does. I think the USSF needs to stop trying to build a team that emulates Japan though. That will never be the US’s optimal style of play.

            France probably has the mix of a team I would want to model the US after. They can break pressure with their clever ball movement to spring their athlete’s forward. They’ve also shown the ability to break a defense like the US down with an effective half field offense. One thing they don’t do which I would want the US to continue to do is to aggressively win the ball back with intelligent pressing.

            There are two positions where I see a lack of development at the youth levels that could prove problematic for the US though. CB’s that are comfortable on the ball both with their feet and passing it forward(Renard) are in short supply. I think Sonnett is going to be an excellent defender in a couple of years but she’s not ready yet. I don’t have a lot of faith in Johnston at all with regards to playing balls out of the back and she’s not particularly good at the other important aspects of a good CB.

            The other position of need, which should come as no surprise, is CM/DM(Henry/Abily). Sullivan has been good in her 4 starts so far but has suffered an ACL and has yet to really be tested against the best. Long is a stop gap and will slow down between cycles and Brian is the US’s only other reliable CM at the moment. Watching the youth tournaments and the NCAA tournament this year I did not come away from them thinking there were a lot of players ready to step into those positions of need.

          • Reality

            Excellent analysis. France has tried to reach this balance but they have fallen short, as you say, in aggressiveness, but also in endurance and mental toughness. It is very difficult for any nation to bring together all these attributes in one team. But if any country has the resources and talent to do it, it is us.

            I agree with you on Johnston. She like other players in a star oriented system get over hyped. Skilled CB’s and a DM already! need to be focused on, but the midfield has been constantly in flux without allowing any familiarity and teamwork to build up.

            Then there is Lloyd gumming up the works. We cannot create a truly balanced team with her constantly freelancing on the pitch. She changes the dynamic of the team in an adverse way where coordination, combination, possession, and inclusive team play suffers. Lloyd represents the
            past in her play and in her age and is not the future.

            This has to be a long term investment starting at the youth level so that there are balanced players coming up in the pipeline for the future. While speed and athleticism are gifts that players possess, skills can be taught and developed and endurance can be increased.

            In the meantime, we should be giving those players a chance to play who best demonstrate their ability to combine these salient characteristics of a balanced player in “team” oriented play.

          • DNG

            I think France’s biggest problem is not their lack of aggressiveness, but their lack of a reliable goal scoring center forward. ELS is a very good soccer player, but she is not a natural finisher. If France had a forward like Hegerberg playing CF for them, I think there’d be different #1 team in the world. I agree with the rest.

          • Reality

            Hegerberg would raise the level of any team. Perhaps France can convince her to apply for citizenship in a long term relationship with Olympique Lyonnais.

          • DNG

            Fortunately for the US I don’t think you can change NTs after you play for the senior side of one which would tie Hegerberg to Norway.

          • Reality

            France sheds a tear…

          • guest

            if alex morgan played CF for France, would Franch be the #1 team in the world?

          • DNG

            Maybe. I don’t exactly classify Morgan as a clinical finisher. Probably is better than what they have though so maybe.

          • Steglitz49

            2009, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2015 and 2016 tell their sad stories. Creampuffs.

          • Steglitz49

            The French NT has not achieved anything — repeatedly.

          • #1Fan

            TDS at its finest

            The U.S. Women’s National Team is in the midst of a transitional phase as the future of the program is trying to break through while the last remnants of the dominant women’s program step aside. The next generation of the program is passing through the youth ranks at this point as the assembly line to the first team usually includes a stop at the U20 or another youth age group.

            There is quite a bit to be excited about from the Women’s National Team program in terms of talented individuals passing through the age groups recently. But which birth year has the most potential to help the full national team?

            TopDrawerSoccer ranks the first best birth years still in the youth national team pool (1995 and younger) who could help the Women’s National Team in the future.

            1. 1995

            Rose Lavelle and Andi Sullivan look like two players with very promising futures at an international level. The two super intelligent players could be the key pieces of the U.S. WNT midfield in the future. The question for how successful this group will be in the future will come down to how Sullivan responds to her injury and if anyone else joins the duo in the coming years. Savannah Jordan, Morgan Andrews, and others could be in the mix depending how they do with the next step in their careers.

            2. 1998

            Mallory Pugh is obviously the headliner of any age group. The Real Colorado star has already made her way into the U.S. Women’s National Team and looks to be a future star at the international level. The rest of the birth year has not been nearly as successful as Pugh. Savannah Demelo was a key part of the U.S. U20 WNT qualifying effort, but did not make an appearance at the World Cup. Her future might be brighter than her appearances with the youth team. Fellow U20 WNT member Emily Fox is also part of the 1998 age group. Fox was a more prominent player with the U20s during the run to the fourth place finish at the World Cup.

            3. 2001

            Jordan Canniff, Lia Godfrey, Kate Wiesner, and Kennedy Wesley all made the 2016 U17 World Cup roster while playing two years up. U.S. Soccer has invested a lot into the 2001 age group already and while the players are a long way off from contributing at the full team level, there is a lot of promise in this group for the future. All four of the players have shown attributes that could carry them forward into older age groups in the near future. Godfrey and Canniff’s individual qualities on the ball need to be supported and encouraged by the right coaching in the future for them to really breakthrough.

            4. 1999

            Ashley Sanchez leads the way for the 1999 age group. Sanchez has appeared in a full women’s national team camp already, but is still waiting to make her debut. She was one of the key pieces of the recent U20 and U17 World Cup teams. Sanchez’s combination of skill, speed, and competitiveness have made her a favorite for various coaches in the U.S. youth national team system. She has some company in the 1999 age group including Civana Kuhlmann and Frankie Tagliaferri, two players who were the initial stars of this age group.

            5. 1996

            Emily Ogle, Kaleigh Riehl, and Maddie Elliston highlight this birth year. The trio were three of the best from the recent U20 World Cup. Ogle has the possibility to be a solid midfielder at a higher level, but she is going to have to push some really good players out of the way in order to get into the picture. Elliston looked like the best outside back for the U.S. during the U20 World Cup, which should open the door for her at the next level.

            only in the USA o they write articles like this.

          • Reality

            Rather than have a comprehensive skills development program throughout the youth levels, U.S. Soccer tends to focus on the “star” system where a few players who show potential will be singled out for attention, over-hyped and rapidly promoted with mixed effects. It is a phenomenon that is endemic to our “celebrity” society and is given incredible momentum through social media.

            We are in a transitional phase of sorts with the USWNT, but it is happening in fits and starts with Ellis essentially supporting the “star” system and making token efforts to incorporate talented youth who themselves have been designated as potential “stars”.

            Where is the organized program throughout the youth levels to develop balanced players who not only have the gifts of speed and athleticism but also have technical skills and a team-oriented approach rather than a star search quest?

          • #1Fan

            that part has been left to the Clubs. The part that gets ignored here is that girls are especially vulnerable to this “star” system and its effects. My child has played with and vs many of the 2001 mentioned in this article. I can honestly say, without being mean, they are decent players but nothing special. It seems that in the US . playing “up” is the yardstick used to say a player is somehow ahead of the curve. Physical development has a lot to do with the ability to play up, not tactical or technical necessarily. Until this mentality becomes a lot more collective and a lot less focused on finding “stars” so early. we will not change. Kate Weisner started the first 2 games of the u17 WC and got badly exposed. She was removed for game 3. I could make a strong case that she should not have been there in the first place. If i have 2 kids – one who sees space behind the defense and pushes the ball into it and sprints after it . and another who sees the same picture but does a Maradonna or some other complicated move to get there …I tend to prefer player 1. USSF prefer player 2 at youth level. They think that is being “technical” I think technical is the right play with the minimum number of touches and the highest success rate. Wiesner and Godfrey are Player 2 types. Hence the hype. 70 pct of the time , it does not work. Bu the hype train assumes tha at some level , it will and WOW we have the next Neymar. It wont

          • Reality

            “I think technical is the right play with the minimum number of touches and the highest success rate.” This expresses it very well.

            Young people are very impressionable and they quickly see at the club level what earns them praise and advancement from coaches and peers who value physical play and individual effort. Then there is pressure from the parents to win and have their own children shine. Thus the concept of a true team effort which incorporates your definition of technical tends to become submerged beneath individual strivings for glory and recognition.

          • Steglitz49

            In practical terms, techincal prowess will needs be developed in your garden, your back yard or parking lot. This part of the game will be up to the individual girl. Watch videos over and over again.

            There is no reason why a 13 year old should not be able to learn the Cruyff turn and other tricks, including how to hit banana freekicks and corners. Practice, practice, and more practice.

          • rkmid71

            Not every great player is as you describe. Some young people really are team players, unselfish, make the right play. But you’re right in the sense that what seems to get players noticed and recognized is the physical play (even when effectively the result of poor technical quality), dribbling (even with head down not passing to open teammates), individual play trying to do it by yourself, fancy moves that lead to nowhere and slow play down. It’s the individualistic showcase mentality to attract college coaches, scouts or whoever rather than simply trusting that playing the right way will get you noticed … because it doesn’t.

            Selfish players dominate the ball at the expense of their teammates.They are often viewed by the coaches as more aggressive, competitive, driven when what they are is more narcissistic. Great players make others around them better. It takes a sophisticated eye to see and know the difference and value those intangible qualities. Parents are not teaching their kids anything by directly or indirectly encouraging this kind of dog eat dog, everything is about me behavior. Maybe it’s born of desperation to get what you want for your kid at any cost before worrying about others.You can’t have a “team” with all the players like that. Put those types in forward positions. It doesn’t work in defense and midfield.

          • Reality

            Player development is certainly a function of good coaching that emphasizes team play. But who is training the coaches at the younger levels of the sport that are formative for attitudes and habits? Are these youth coaches pressured by parents and competition to focus on winning at the expense of teaching fundamental skills and encouraging teamwork? I would think that might be the case which prejudices developing more complete players.

          • Steglitz49

            Maradona cheated, an odd example to use.

          • #1Fan

            are you trolling ?

          • Steglitz49

            It is a statement of fact.

            Please explain how stating facts belong to trolls.

            Face reality.

          • #1Fan

            A Maradona is a move. I’m not using him as an example of anything

          • Steglitz49

            I think it was originally called the Marseilles Move though why, I have not the foggiest. Presumably named after a club in Marseille.

          • Icehouse

            Maradona? Didn’t you advise people here recently that they are not allowed to use examples from men’s soccer

          • Steglitz49

            I pointed out to #1Fan that Maradona cheated.

            You are quite correct that there were 2 reasons not to use him as an example.

          • DNG

            If what you’re saying is true, there seems to be a misunderstanding within US Soccer with regards to what is technical play and what is flair. That’s kind of ironic to me though because Ellis has spent the last year and a half trying to get Heath to be more selective of the times she uses her creativity and to be more efficient with her dribbling. It would seem kind of backwards not to select players who play efficiently. I suppose this is more of the “well if they can do these fancy moves now they will learn to play the correct way in the future”.

            What seems to be lost amongst some people is how direct and efficient Neymar normally plays. One of Messi and Hazard’s best qualities as dribblers is how well they protect the ball when they run at defenders.

          • Reality

            I think people tend to conflate efficient possession with endless passing and little result. The true aim of a possession style is to first deny the ball to the opposition which is the best defense and then probe that defense to exploit poor coverage and break through to attack the goal. Naturally this can also be done through direct over the top play with speedy forwards, but the best teams will have the capability of doing both depending on the opposition and circumstance.

          • DNG

            Honestly if a team is up by a goal or two endless passing with half hearted attempts to get the ball to goal is efficient. The best way to defend is by keeping the other team from getting the ball and shots on goal. That’s what I saw when I watched the great Spanish teams who after going up a goal could just kill any game against any opponent.

            I see the USWNT as a team that is always going to want to attack and quickly retrieve the ball to attack again. That leads me to believe the team will lean more direct than indirect in their attacks. I think that’s fine as long as the longer fast passes can be played to feet more as oppose to always over the top. Obviously they still need to be able to breakdown tough defensive opponents like Sweden but I do think the mix to do both is there. They just need to pick the right team.

          • Reality

            “They just need to pick the right team.”

            So much material for discussion in that one little sentence.

          • #1Fan

            If you read my comments ( pretty sure you do) then you will know that the single biggest issue I have is the lack of consistency between the messages being delivered at youth level and the players selected for the Full team. It speaks to the real issue- LEADERSHIP.

            On Neymar , Hazard or even Alexis clearly they CAN do all the tricks, but the biggest asset they have is the ability to drive directly at defenses AT SPEED and force them to drop off, to concede space or give away fouls etc. They are all very direct players. You need direct players. and you nedd others to create space for them to operate. Bale is another example and a far less “skilled” one.

            I dont think the USSF understand how the game works and I think you can get away with that for long periods in the womens game becasue the players to exploit the obvious weaknesses are not readily available to all countries. I think this point is lost on many people. The mens game is developed to a level where you have to be tactically and technically sound becasue another club can buy players that can and will exploit that weakness. Every type of player is availabel to all the top teams. This si not the case in WoSo at all. So when I say things like Morgan is not my definition of a world class complete forward, it is difficult to comprehend becasue the pool is so so limited. Limited by opportunity, by exposure and by many other things. Womens soccer si a massive compromise a present, where being the best of a relatively mediocre bunch is good enough. Where physical tools can carry you a long long way without the same level of technical sophistication. Every nation the US play has holes that are readily exploited by relatively basic things. At youth level, one can argue that the playing field is as level as it can get and the US are no longer dominant. Problem is at senior level, the playing field tilts back again for many reasons..mostly $$ and investment.

          • DNG

            Agree about the male players you mentioned and about the apparent lack of understanding of the game among US Soccer leadership.

          • #1Fan

            “You develop world class finishers over time and with lots of hours spent with the ball, but this event is about providing inspiration and guidance from some excellent role models so that these young players can return to their club environments and work on their own to hone their skills,” said Heinrichs. “The rationale for this kind of event is to emphasize the process of developing world class attacking players at all levels of our girls’ national team programs.”

            I could not disagree more.

            You improve the tools you have. You dont become a world class finisher. If that was the case, the mens game would be littered with hem. We all know its not. Why pay 75 MM for Suarez when you can get a few kids together at 15 and develop your own world class finisher ? These people have lost the plot in a major way and they continue to waste USSF $$ on rubbish. if I get the scoop I may report back, but my guess is a bunch of drills with grades. USSF LOVE that . Jeez what a waste.

          • DNG

            Thanks for the insight as always and I hope you have more to report at some point. Of course I agree with the Suarez analogy and the criticism of US Soccer. That one hits the nail on the head.

          • Steglitz49

            I do not see how the Suarez analogy applies to WoSo, not least WoSo in the US where players come up the NCAA route. Please explain to this bear of little brain.

          • DNG

            Substitute Suarez for Marta if you feel so inclined.

          • Steglitz49

            Marta is the greatest WoSo player we have seen.

            Not a correct substitution. Select a WoSo player which corresponds to the Suarez you have in mind. Then get back to us.

          • DNG

            Hegerberg. It’s not really about 1:1 comparisons though. The point was that it’s not as simple as kids working on their skills to develop into world class players. Some have the talent and some don’t.

          • Steglitz49

            Ada Hegerberg is 21. Her elder sister Andrine is 23. They played together since they were tots and went to Potsdam together.

            Andrine did not get so much playing time at Potsdam so moved to Göteborg in Sweden for 3 seasons and now is with Birmingham City.

            Ada was successful at Potsdam and went to Lyon where she has been since. Lyon did not develop her but simply acquired her. Ada may have been out of contract so Lyon need not have paid Potsdam anything (I can’t remember).

            In the US system, Andrine would be in her first year in the NWSL while Ada would probably be a senior. This shows, that they key point in the equation is the NCAA.

            The European girls have no NCAA and Title IX. If you are a super-talent like Ada, you can make money and even Andrine probably does OK for herself but they have no college education to fall back on.

          • Steglitz49

            Firstly, there are a lot of first class female finishers today, not just in Europe and Asia but several in the US. Could there be more in the US? Yes. Of course. With as many young players who play in the US the US should match all those European players.

            Secondly, why are they not getting their chances. Because of the need to satisfy the Veterans and now the Veterans-in-waiting and the pre-proto-veterans waiting down the line. Hopefully, the new CBA will sort out this nonsense.

            Why did Bayern Munich first spend money on Katie Stengel and then let her leave while they have spent money on Miedema (NL), Evans (Scot), Iwabuchi (Jap), Rolser (Ger but via Liverpool) Lotzen (Ger) and now Rolfö (Swe)? Because they can afford to and no balance stops them.

            The US has the wonderful college set-up. The US can start by fixing it so that it meets demand of WoSo in the 2nd decade of the 3rd Millennium.

          • Steglitz49

            I do not follow your comments when you type that

            — “Womens soccer is a massive compromise a present, where being the best of a relatively mediocre bunch is good enough” — what does that mean when it is at home? — The US bombed out of the OG in the QF, their worst exit ever after 4 wins and 1 loss in the final.

            — your last two sentences are equally incomprehensible. The US senior WNT is one of several that can do well in major competitions. They did marginally better than the U17s this year but decidedly worse than the U20s. On top of which, just look at the $$ being put in by the rich clubs and FAs in Europe.

            I can only assume that some double negatives are missing because the facts are not on your side.

          • #1Fan

            To be honest. Until you look at things over a longer term than who won the last event, it’s pointless trying to explain.

          • Steglitz49

            The reality in the US is that young ladies come up the NCAA route and then go into the draft into the NWSL. A few disdain the draft and join foreign clubs but not an awful lot. Let’s wait and see how many in 2017.

            Thus, if you think the US WoSo player development is out of touch with modern reality you must fix the NCAA part, including the feeder streams. What other choice do you have?

            Any parent with a daughter who is top notch at soccer would love for her to get a scholarship — which, well understood, these days is usually only partial — to a top college. Because the top ladies sports including WoSo colleges also are outstanding academically, it is a win-win situation for the young lady as well as her parent(s).

            Apart from Abby and Hope, as far as I can tell the USWNT players for the past 5 years all went to more than decent colleges. Even some of the useless players went there and picked up all sort of distinctions along the way, which stood them in good stead down the line.

            Now. By all means state some proposals of how you want to upgrade this system because it is far from obvious to me that you have made one single practical suggestion that helps.

          • #1Fan

            Sorry man but every time you talk NCAA I switch off. I have made countless suggestions. It’s got nothing to do with college. You seem to think kids magically become top notch. It’s not worth discussing with you.

          • Steglitz49

            One way of going forward is to aim for the U20 team of this year’s WC coupled to a couple from the U17 squad, will be the roster for WC-23, with just the odd older player.

            WC-19 is probably too soon to bring on the current U20s and certainly the U17s.

          • #1Fan

            please explain. Because im not convinced that simply being on the teams now is a passport to being on the teams in the future.

          • Steglitz49

            Well understood. Life goes on. Stars burn out. New ones shoot.

          • Steglitz49

            1a. Andi Sullivan tore her ACL. She may well be back but hardly before the end of the 2017 NWSL season and remember it took Casey Short two sesons.

            1b. I would have put Morgan Andrews above Rose Lavelle. Maybe 3 Morgans in the NT would get too confusing?

            3. I doubt there will be too many 18 year olds in WC-19 and even those 22 may be rare in WC-23 judging by recent past USWNT patterns.

          • Steglitz49

            Most WoSo fans at least know who Saki Kumagai and Nahomi Kawasumi are. Some may know who Azusa Iwashimizu, Aya Sameshima, Yuki Nagasato and Rumi Utsugi are. After that it gets a bit harder.

            I think you confuse brute strength — height and weight — with athleticism. The Nadeshiko on average give away 3-4 inches and 15-20 lb to US players. The height is an obvious handicap.

        • Steglitz49

          Barcelona Ladies are in the QF of the ladies Champions League. If Barcelona were to acquire Christen’s services no doubt they want her to suit up for the QF.

      • ABCDE

        if she wants the trade she will get it. NT players can do whatever they want to and ask for trades like Krieger did.

        • guest

          Morgan is going to try to get on the LA team also. guaranteed. they might not get both.

          • ABCDE

            maybe one will go to LA and one to the bay area team

          • guest

            since according to “Reality” Press being in Barcelona is indicative of their interest in her (or something), it is interesting to note that Morgan has been in Barcelona as well.

          • Steglitz49

            I thought that Press and Tobin were in a treetop together in Sweden, about as far away from Barcelona as you could get apart from Svalbard.

          • Steglitz49

            One to LA and one to LYon?

          • HouseOfCrapToDie

            press will probably lose out to Morgan again and end up in Sacramento or San Jose.

          • Steglitz49

            As long as she knows the way to San Jose, all will be OK. Sacrmaento ain’t half bad either though a bit too hot and far from the ocean.

          • Bruce

            Don’t sell Sacramento short. The city is easily half-bad.

          • HOFCToDi

            Servando Carrasco plays for Orlando City not the San Jose Earthquakes.

          • Sam

            if Lyon can make arrangements for him, surely LAFC can. I don’t know if Morgan’s stock is as valuable these days, though.

          • guest

            it would seem unlikely both would be allocated on the same team at the same position. and it would be an outrage if morgan get’s to request another trade before press requests her first one. no doubt leroux will surely also request a trade to la when they get a team.

          • HOFCToDi

            Dom Dwyer plays for Sporting Kansas City not the LA Galaxy.

          • guest

            oh boo hoo, poor puppy princess Press, always everyone’s victim – Abby’s, Jill’s, Alex’s, Carli’s… she was diddling around Europe for years while Alex played here and by all accounts was very upset to have to come to chicago before the swedish club she was on folded and left her no choice

          • sam

            the whininess and victim narrative by her fans is so annoying. At least NYRick is keeping a lower profile after her lackluster WC and OG.

          • guest

            NYRick… wasn’t that the guy who said the only way we’d advance in the world cup was if Lloyd got injured to make room for the object of his obsession to play? lmao.

          • HOFCToDi

            Summer Olympic Games
            Games Started
            Leroux (DOB 07 May 1990) – 0
            Press (DOB 29 Dec 1988) – 1

            Summer Olympic Games
            Minutes Played
            Leroux (DOB 07 May 1990) – 77
            Press (DOB 29 Dec 1988) – 123

            Summer Olympic Games
            Goals Scored
            Leroux (DOB 07 May 1990) – 1
            Press (DOB 29 Dec 1988) – 0

            Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

            garbage time
            prima donna
            selfish shot hog
            tomato cans

          • HOFCToDi

            USWNT Career
            FIFA Top 10 Ranked Opponents
            USWNT Goals Scored
            Leroux (DOB 07 May 1990) – 8
            Press (DOB 29 Dec 1988) – 3

            Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

            garbage time
            prima donna
            selfish shot hog
            tomato cans

          • HOFCToDi

            Calendar Year 2014
            FIFA Top 10 Ranked Opponents
            USWNT Goals Scored
            Leroux (DOB 07 May 1990) – 4
            Press (DOB 29 Dec 1988) – 0

            equalizersoccer.com/2015/03/15/sydney-leroux-protective-boot-foot-injury-uswnt/

            equalizersoccer.com/2015/07/17/leroux-to-have-ankle-surgery-out-up-to-3-months/

            Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

            garbage time
            prima donna
            selfish shot hog
            tomato cans

          • guesttttttt

            don’t forget Dunn’s victim now as well… Dunn allegedly refuses to pass to Christen.

          • HOFCToDi

            Association football does not revolve around Christen Press. US Soccer does not revolve around Christen Press. The USWNT does not revolve around Christen Press.

            Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

            garbage time
            prima donna
            selfish shot hog
            tomato cans

          • HOFCToDi

            Association football does not revolve around Christen Press. US Soccer does not revolve around Christen Press. The USWNT does not revolve around Christen Press.

            Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

            garbage time
            prima donna
            selfish shot hog
            tomato cans

        • DNG

          I was admittedly harsh on Krieger on initially hearing of the trade. It now seems as though Spirit management was determined to get her out of town after the events that unfolded this year. I still think she probably forced her way to Orlando given the return but I don’t think the requested the trade or would have been able to chose her destination if she did.

          • Hardy

            So it’s just coincidence that her gf Harris plays in Orlando and she ends up in Orlando. Of course

            By the way – please look outside. There are some cows flying.

          • Steglitz49

            Pigs, surely. Pigs.

          • guest

            no no no they are just friends. like tobin and christen!

          • Steglitz49

            Does it matter? Who cares?

          • Dr Robert

            In Krieger’s case it matters since it is the reason for the move

          • Steglitz49

            One is left with the impression that only WoSo is subjected to this prurient obsession with the life-choices of their players.

            Maybe other sports do too but it is not as if it is a daily topic. If anything, the opposite seems to be the case: their boyfriends get put through the wringer.

          • Dr Robert

            Disagree for that special situation. There is no obsession. At least not for me.

            But it is also not helpful to deny the obvious.

            Ignoring the truth and reality just for political correctness purposes is as stupid as being obsessed with private life circumstances.

          • Steglitz49

            Of course you can speculate till the cows come home but does it help WoSo? More specifically, does it help WoSo in the US?

            The barriers to girls playing soccer varies from country to country but this hurdle is one that WoSo can do without.

          • Dr Robert

            No it does not help. But it is there.

            You call it speculation, but you may also still belive in easter bunnies.

            So let’s ignore reality for the sake of women soccer. But please don’t critize female referees or FIFA seedings anymore. It may not help WoSo especially not in the US

            You are from Sweden. So you may make the world to you just how it suits you just like Pippi Långstrump

          • Steglitz49

            Incompetent WoSo referees can be fixed. It is out in the open. One way of speeding up the process could be to insist that all NWSL matches are refereed by female staff.

            FIFA seedings is up to FIFA to fix themselves. Maybe with the new management in place this will now be history. The litmus test will be WC-19, one presumes.

            As for Pippi Longstocking, to give the freckled ginger-haired lass her English name, she has long been more popular in Germany than her country of origin, Sweden. Indeed, Germany has been the spiritual home of Astrid Lindgren.

            Snide comments and prurient speculations about the life-styles of female players may not be a sole and peculiar obsession of US WoSo but it seems that way. Let’s trust that a side-effect of the new political order is that it gets relegated to the ditches.

        • Steglitz49

          The CBA. Don’t forget the CBA.

      • Steglitz49

        The CBA expires at midnight on New Year’s Eve. Does that make Christen a free agent?

    • guest

      i guess this is supposed to be an artistic picture?

  • Steglitz49

    In a separate topic, in England reserach that the FA has “done on the barriers to women’s football is really clear. Girls feel they’re going to be judged, that people will think they’re a certain type of girl and that’s not the image they want. The other is a lack of support from parents.”
    The FA went on to state: “The two are probably linked. So a lot of the work we’ve got to do is to tackle those things. In 10 years’ time it won’t be an issue. It’s a societal thing that the FA think is very fixable.”

    The FA has also urged more clubs to invest in the women’s game. Manchester United still have not reestbalished their women’s side.

  • atalba
    • #1Fan

      Can I ask why ?

      • mockmook

        Is one supposed to pretend that they don’t notice that some players stand out from the others that they are watching?

        • #1Fan

          Just asking what qualities the OP thinks is going to make them stand out. U16/ U 18 seem to be where the USSF puts the cast offs 🙂 The golden kids from the U 17 team will also be in the mix for the U20s

          • guest

            there is nothing golden about the U17 uswnt team.

          • #1Fan

            There are some players on that team that the USSF rates VERY highly. Just saying.

          • Steglitz49

            One just got the US young player of the year award.

          • Steglitz49

            Any USWNT is always golden. They are just unlucky. It is nationalism by remote control.

        • fartinal

          are they christen press clones? if so, megaposters here will like them.

    • mockmook

      I’d look for Malia Berkely, Julie Mackin, Tierna Davidson, and Taylor Kornieck.

      From what I hear, Kornieck is much better than Korina 😉

      • Steglitz49

        Kor, blimey! as the Brits might exclaim. Is the “Kor” of significance? Or, just chance occurrence?

  • rkmid71

    Off topic. Rapinoe article in 442 last week (Dec 7). Still not fit. Just painful to see such a quote. Why would she even admit it so many months after? If I was her I would just stay silent until I was truly fit…if that’s even possible after 3 ACLs and age 31.

    “She came off the bench in a pair of September friendlies but hasn’t featured in the United States’ last four matches as U.S. coach Jill Ellis tests out young players (Rapinoe is also still trying to regain full fitness).”

    • guest

      rapinoe said she was 100% ready to go two weeks before the rio olympics even though she hadn’t played in a competitive game in nine months. then at the olympics it turns out she is only 15 minutes fit in which the uswnt had to waste two subs on her. but yet six months after the olympics, rapinoe is still not fit enough to play in uswnt friendlies which offer no olympic big bonuses. uswnt corruption at it’s finest!

    • Steglitz49

      Very much on topic, I would say. Thanks for ferreting out for us.

  • anon

    Tobin won. There is justice in the soccer world.

    I will still laugh when Lloyd wins FIFA POTY but not her own team award.

    • guest

      it really has to be Behringer though, right? who in their right mind could give Lloyd POTY this year. I love Marta, but she doesn’t really deserve it this year either…

      • Steglitz49

        I agree with you. It would be a travesty if anything else happened.

        At the same time, 3 German lasses were nominated so the vote may have been split.

        Also, I contend that the reason Lindahl was not nominated is that she would have won and FIFA does not want someone from a nation of only 10m walking off with this award. Norway would have been even worse with 5m.

        In some ways, the most bizarre aspect of the nomination process was that there were 2 French players nominated but only 1 Swede and none (0) from some other countries we might mention.

        • Stegpitz49

          Lindahl also let in 5 brazilian goals in one game. Once Pia parked her bus in front of the goal, her job became a bit easier…. although overall she did well in the USA game.

    • htm222

      Well that is one good thing to come out of 2016. I would have been fine with her, Dunn or Alex (in that order) 🙂

      • Steglitz49

        Though I up-vote you, is it fair to let any of that sorry excuse for a team that where sent packing in the QF of the OG be even nominated for this award?

    • HOFCToDi

      Women’s Football shortlists for the FIFA Ballon d’Or 2015

      fifa.com/the-best-fifa-football-awards/news/y=2015/m=10/news=women-s-football-shortlists-for-fifa-ballon-d-or-2015-revealed-2719030.html

      By the way, Christen Press is not on the list.

      Nevermind Christen Press started eleven of the first twelve matches for the USWNT in calendar year 2015.

      ussoccer.com/womens-national-team/lineups/2015-lineups

      ROFLMAO!

      • Steglitz49

        Strictly speaking it is not the Ballon d’Or for the female of the species.

        • HOFCToDi

          File your complaint with FIFA, the world’s most corrupt and inept organization.

          • Steglitz49

            It is not a complaint. It is a clarification lest readers of your comments — such as there are — would be confused. In short, I am doing a public service.

          • HOFCToDi

            You have serious reading comprehension issues. The post in question was a media release from FIFA. Since you continue to prove to be a Swedish dumbass, you’re back on ignore.

          • HOFCToDi

            FIFA is corrupt and inept.

            Here are the Key Findings in the Russian Doping Report
            By Victor Mather and Rebecca R. Ruiz
            Dec 9, 2016

            nytimes.com/2016/12/09/sports/olympics/mclaren-report-russian-doping.html?_r=0

            If FIFA had an ounce of credibility, the 2018 FIFA World Cup would be withdrawn from Russia.

    • HOFCToDi

      Nominees Set For 2015 US Soccer Female Player of the Year

      ussoccer.com/stories/2015/12/10/20/05/151210-wnt-nominees-set-for-2015-us-soccer-female-player-of-the-year

      By the way, Christen Press is not on the list.

      Nevermind Christen Press started eleven of the first twelve matches for the USWNT in calendar year 2015.

      ussoccer.com/womens-national-team/lineups/2015-lineups

      ROFLMAO!

    • HOFCToDi

      Who will be The Best FIFA Women’s Player 2016?

      fifa.com/the-best-fifa-football-awards/news/y=2016/m=11/news=who-will-be-the-best-fifa-women-s-player-2016-2847758.html

      By the way, Christen Press is not on the list.

      ROFLMAO!

      • Steglitz49

        We already know that it stands between Melanie Behringer, Carli and Marta.

        The votes have been cast and the winner revealed in January at the knees-up in Zurich. Maybe the hackers, who claim that CR7 has won it again, know which lady has come out on top.

        • HOFCToDi

          Christen Press is not on the list.

          Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

          garbage time
          prima donna
          selfish shot hog
          tomato cans

          • Steglitz49

            Nobody has claimed that she was.

            The list was peculiar for a number of reasons but there is no need to regurgitate them here.

    • HOFCToDi

      Nominees Set for 2016 U.S. Soccer Female Player of the Year

      ussoccer.com/stories/2016/12/05/22/03/161205-wnt-nominees-set-for-2016-us-soccer-female-player-of-the-year

      By the way, Christen Press is not on the list.

      ROFLMAO!

    • Steglitz49

      One difference is that FIFA is giving the great unwashed a vote for POTY this year and there are 315m in the US, 200m in Brazil and 85m in Germany.