USWNT beats Romania to finish 2016 unbeaten*

The Equalizer Staff November 13, 2016 363
The U.S. women technically finished 2016 without a loss, but it hardly felt like that. (Photo Copyright Patricia Giobetti for The Equalizer)

The U.S. women technically finished 2016 without a loss, but it hardly felt like that. (Photo Copyright Patricia Giobetti for The Equalizer)

The United States women’s national team closed out its 2016 calendar year without a loss following a 5-0 victory over Romania on Sunday at the StubHub Center in Carson, Calif.

That statement comes with a huge asterisk, of course: The United States’ 22-0-3 record in 2016 included a match which was officially recorded as a draw but was, for all intents and purposes, a loss. The U.S. failed to advance out of its Olympic quarterfinal against Sweden at the Rio 2016 Olympics in August, falling in a penalty-kick shootout for the worst finish at a major tournament in U.S. women’s national team history. The match is officially scored as a draw, and thus the U.S. women can say they finished the year unbeaten for the third time in program history with the very empty feeling of Olympic failure.

[ANALYSIS: USWNT’s experimental defense still a work in progress]

On Sunday, however, that felt like a distant memory. U.S. coach Jill Ellis started the same 10 field players for the second time in four days; four of those players had never played for the U.S. senior team before October. Ellis for the fourth straight game deployed a three-back system — with Allie Long starting at center back — as a continued test heading into the new year. Alyssa Naeher started in place of Ashlyn Harris for the only change from Thursday’s 8-1 victory over Romania.

The U.S. women took a bit longer to get going on Sunday, which was in part a compliment to Romania’s adjustments from earlier in the week. An own goal in the 20th minute opened the scoring for the U.S. in the 20th minute after Crystal Dunn drove endline and crossed the ball, and it was Dunn who doubled the lead with the final kick of the first half to give the U.S. an extra cushion in an otherwise slightly more tense first half. The Americans enjoyed 74 percent possession in the first half, but hadn’t converted on several opportunities.

Christen Press made it 3-0 in the 54th minute when she started and finished the play, burying a cross from Tobin Heath, and Morgan Brian stepped up to bury a penalty kick in the 88th minute to make it 4-0. Second-half substitute Sam Mewis scored in stoppage time to make it 5-0.

Press has now scored in four straight games for the U.S., including a hat trick on Thursday.

The U.S. went 18-0-4 in 2006 and 13-0-3 in 2013

  • Ethan

    Loved Dunn’s dribbling in the first half, Press’ passing from her ball to Dunn up to her pass for Sullivan, and Morgan’s dummy to let the ball run to Horan.

    Nice, confident penalty from Brian.

    • Steglitz49

      5-0 with the 5th coming in injury time and the 4th from a penalty a couple of minutes before full time, suggests that Romania are quick learners as the game might have ended 3-0. (The first goal was an own goal but those happen.)

      • Ethan

        Right, but Williams will want that header chance and the open look she got from the giveaway back, and while I think both header chances Morgan had were more difficult than they seemed, she definitely could have put one of them away. Plus, there was the Heath shot off the post. So, Romania definitely were better defensively, but they also got some breaks.

        • Steglitz49

          I wonder what the players think and feel going into 2017 let alone 2018?

          2013 and 2014 came after winning the OG and getting the NWSL off the ground. But now?

    • Guest

      Agree but really who wouldn’t have confidence taking a penalty in a friendly against Romania when you are up 3-0 in the closing minutes?

      • Ethan

        Well, with the exception of Morgan, you’re right.

        • Guest

          I wouldn’t say that was confidence, more so just poor execution

    • Breakers fan

      Maybe THIS is the same play I was referencing above? Or…..did Morgan do 2 dummies?

  • Guest

    Great vision from Heath to find Press and then a great pass from Press to Dunn for the second goal. Also some really nice passing sequences in the second half. Loved the give and go for the Press goal.

    Ellis has aleready said some players will be losing their allocation spots next year, any predictions? I’d guess Hinkle and Sonnett. Maybe Pinoe? She didn’t dress for either game. Maybe Ellis feels she doesn’t need her anymore with all the other younger players who can play wing.

    Sullivan has easily been the best newbie. No one else has really stood out to me.

    • Steglitz49

      As I noted elsewhere, Romania seems to have improved fast. The first goal after 20 min and an own goal to boot. Then the 4th a pk just before the end and the 5th in injury time. It sounds like a 3-0 match.

      Given how the hapless Romanians were pounded the first time round, what was different?

      • Guest

        I do think Romania improved but I think the final score has more to do with our lack of finishing. I can think of at least 3 chances off the top of my head that should have been goals.

        • Steglitz49

          Thanks. It is probably also hard to motivate yourself to hand out a second thrashing so soon again in a set of friendlies. The hunger and bite is not there and they may even have felt a little sorry for their sisters on the receiving end.

      • I found Romania really fun to watch in both of these matches. They were very physical, but they also had very good passing when they had the ball.

        I think in the second game they chased the ball a little bit less with the U.S. had possession. They waited until U.S. players were in their half before pressing them, which probably helped with fatigue.

        I really enjoyed watching the U.S. against this team, too. Also a lot of good passing and possession from the U.S. and the fact that they had most of the possession gave them a lot of opportunities to try out different ways to score.

        I think this was a successful match and a team I’d like to see them play again.

        • Steglitz49

          As long as the Romanian FA keeps faith, their ladies will continue to improve.

          Next year, apart from all the domestic leagues and cups and the Champions League, Europe’s ladies will play a 16 NT Euro. About as many ladies play soccer in Europe as in the US, Canada and Mexico, the founder nations of the NWSL but all those Western hemisphere players can look forward to is the NWSL.

          USSF needs to think in new avenues.

    • Ethan

      Press’ goal was definitely the best on the night. Sublime pass to Heath, great cutback from Heath, and a tidy finish. Unsurprisingly, since I am a fan of Morgan, I do want to get a better viewing of the build-up to the goal to see how intentional her touch to Press was. I thought it was clearly intentional live, but the video on US Soccer doesn’t quite go far enough back for me to confirm that thought.

      Yeah, regarding Rapinoe. And Pugh wasn’t even in these games to take away time from Rapinoe. I don’t know about Sonnett; it’s hard to imagine her losing her spot on the NT because of one less than stellar performance, and I still don’t completely buy the suggested “play based on practice performance” argument.

      Sullivan wasn’t as tidy this match, and her shooting outside the box was quite off. However, completely agree on her being the best newcomer, and she had bright passages of play tonight.

      • Breakers fan

        I thought Morgan did an intentional dummy there – and it turned out to work brilliantly. Seemed clear to me. Do you think she, Morgan, touched that ball? I saw a dummy there -and it was crucial to the goal happening, as were some other plays that you mentioned.

        • Ethan

          Yeah, I’ve watched it again. Definite dummy, and I don’t think she touches the ball. Morgan did have another dummy later on in the match. She let a pass go by to Horan, made a run to give Horan an option, received the subsequent pass, and attempted a cutback cross that was deflected by a defender.

  • DNG

    These quotes from Ellis on the 3 at the back make me wonder more than I already do if Ellis knows what she’s doing.

    https://twitter.com/richardfarley/status/797978312270233601

    • mockmook

      What is wrong with her answer(s)?

      How would you briefly and succinctly answer that in a post-game interview type situation?

      • DNG

        It wasn’t post game. Farley posted them before the match so I assume it was after a training before this match.

        The first thing she does is try to dismiss the question by mentioning City and Chelsea and saying that these things are trends. Both of those teams play very different versions of 3 at the back and neither look like what the USWNT do. They also have very different goals from one another with their 3 at the back set ups. Chelsea moved to a 3 back to get more defensive stability in wide spaces and to push Hazard inside. City want 4 CM/AMs in the center of the field to control the match. They do this at the cost of defensive stability in the wide spaces. The USWNT looked somewhat closer to City after all the subs were made keeping Heath and Press high.

        The second answer just doesn’t make a lot of sense to me and I don’t agree with her answer about natural build up shape. There are many solid build up shapes and you don’t need to drop a 6 into the defensive line to create a “natural” one, unless I am misunderstanding her quote. Then she says that against teams that you are going to normally dominate it makes sense to put another player else where. That’s not really the trade off of the 3-5-2 at least the way most teams play it. The trade off is really 2 flanks for another CF and a CB while the OB become WBs and are primarily responsible for the width in the attack and tracking back to defend the wide spaces. High pressure works fine and has worked fine for this team out of a 4-4-2 and could work just fine out of a 4-3-3.

        I guess I was looking for reassurance that she understands the system and I’m still not sure she does.

        • mockmook

          She’s saying you want 3 in the back (regardless how you do it) when facing two forwards. That’s so you have a numbers advantage for the initial back “line” build up.

          ————-

          “The trade off is really 2 flanks for another CF and a CB while the OB become WBs and are primarily responsible for the width in the attack and tracking back to defend the wide spaces.”

          Well, at least her off-the-cuff answer was comprehensible.

          You wrote this out, and it’s indecipherable.

          ———–

          Again, regarding the advantages of the 3 back, what exactly did she say that was wrong?

          • DNG

            I get it and I don’t agree with it. For starters she won’t aways be facing only two forwards pressuring. They could be facing 1, 2, 3, 4 or no players pressuring their back line. If there were 3 players pressuring the back line she wouldn’t have that numbers advantage anymore.

            Normally the US play with 2 flanks and 2 OB in their 4-4-1-1 shape. Their flank players often stay wide and the OB overlap but they were both providing the width. With WBs the WBs are the only players providing width. A CB is added to help defend counters and a forward is added. With the 3-4-3 she added another forward and took away a CM.

            I don’t agree with her point on more numbers forward when pressuring either. It’s about coving all the options and that doesn’t necessarily need to be done with a change in formation.

          • mockmook

            This is the same thing you did the last time we were “arguing” formations.

            You say formation X is great — I say “No, formation X has this vulnerability.”

            So you say, “But if I change formation X to formation Y (while still calling it X) then that shows that formation X is perfectly fine.”

            ———-

            You are using that same technique on JE

            Of course you can morph any formation to do what you want, JE is just jumping ahead to the “morphed” point.

          • DNG

            I think you’re right that I am being too hard on Ellis. What I would have liked to hear from her was that the 3 at the back suits the US’s personnel and then for her to explain why she feels this way. Many of the reasons she gave in terms of dropping a 6 into the defensive line to create favorable numbers against 2 forwards or adding more numbers to pressure I feel could be done out of a 4-2-3-1/4-3-3 with some differences in their normal organization. I probably am being a bit unfair though and I don’t know the circumstances of the interview. Maybe she was tired after a long day of training and just wanted the interview to be over quickly.

  • Guest

    First clean sheet I can remember for a while (excluding Thailand game since they scored a wrrongfully disallowed goal)

    • Ethan

      First Switzerland match was a clean sheet.

    • TC

      Only cause the by far best player of Romania – striker Florentina Olar-Spanu- was not with the team.

      However, the rumor that Sunil and Jill asked Romania to leave their best player at home to please all US fan girls is wrong – Florentina played Champions League with Fortuna Hjorring

      • Steglitz49

        Sweden and Germany are missing players from U20 WC for the same reason. In Sweden’s case it is 5 players.

  • Vex

    The team def plays the ball on the ground. That to me is improvement from all the last coaches that played kick ball and cross to head.

  • Ethan

    Nothing really to do with the game, but Brian needing to drink from two water bottles (gif in retweet on US Soccer WNT twitter) is hilarious.

  • Ando91881

    Yeah, Ms. Press has scored 3 or 4 goals in the past week, but in the same period of time the CRS Facebook page or Instagram page have not accumulated any likes or followers. Obviously she is accumulating a bunch from the 49 other states. Just not from Illinois!

    • Steglitz49

      Does anyone in Chicago let alone IL know that she exists?

      • Ando91881

        Only the 2,750 who routinely attend games. Some of the 2,750 per game are regulars who attend multiple games and some only attend one game per year. So it is probable that maybe 13,000 different people actually attended CRS home games this season. If a different person attended every game that means 27,500 people would have seen them play this season – but that didn’t happen. Probably half that amount.

        • kernel_thai

          A bigger question is can they afford to stay at Toyota based on this years attendance?

          • Ando91881

            How much money does Arnim Whisler have in his bank account?

    • guest

      chicago doesn’t much care for womens pro sports. bro sports culture is very real here. I really think a new team would do well out in California. I’d love to see them move sky blue to a borough of New York City but budget and cost of housing will probably prohibit that

      • anon

        I don’t think the team would fare much better in New York for some reason, but I could be wrong. So much competition for recreation dollars there. I do think california could support a couple of teams and possibly a small progressive city like Austin.

        • Steglitz49

          Judging by Europe, WoSo teams in small loactions seem to get a lot of local support though the big money is with the wealthy men’s clubs.

        • Breakers fan

          Seeing how BYU got 3200+ for their 1st round NCAA match leads me to think that the state of Utah – I guess Salt Lake but maybe even Provo – would support a women’s team

    • Kozuaki

      Against Romania without their best player. Why should anyone care?

    • newsouth

      Start the Press to Chicago movement.

    • Bruce

      Normally, I’d join in on the rant of just how pathetic CRS is on the marketing front, but it’s been a tough week.

      • mockmook

        I thought it was a great week!!! 🙂

        Sorry to hear your’s didn’t go so well.

        • Bruce

          If we all agreed on everything, there would be no need for discussion boards (or elections). Carry on Mockmook!

  • Ethan

    Pugh with phenomenal play right up to the shot. Unfortunately, straight at the keeper. She’s not had the best of performances for the first 30 or so minutes, but she showed class there. Scarpa’s had some nice link-up moments. Sanchez almost played in Pugh earlier when she showed great pace and capitalized on a defensive error.

    No end product from France, but they’ve had multiple lovely passages of play.

    • Steglitz49

      Thank you. 2nd in the group gets to play Germany, presumably. The winner of the group gets an easier match.

    • Observed

      Irrelevant to this article.

      • Steglitz49

        It was kind of him to share though, was it not?

    • #1Fan

      so in summary . the USA failed to score

      • Steglitz49

        So did the French but NZ did — 1-0 against Ghana but it took a long time.

      • rkmid71

        More troubling is they were outshot 17-3, though France only got 4 on target. US had 1 shot on goal. Possession 60/40 France. However, I didn’t see game, so hard to judge how they compared to U17s. But stats don’t look too favorable..

        • #1Fan

          troubling indeed when you are supposed to have 2 of the best PLAYERS in the world in your fwd line

          • rkmid71

            Not only the 2 of best players in the world, but “maybe the best in the tournament’s history”. “The US is the favorite in Group C on paper.” Yet “the US had a defensive approach to the game from the start. USA, the CONCACAF Champions, sat back in two blocks of four players from the start while looking for opportunities to catch the European challenger on the break.” Does that sound like a favorite?.

          • #1Fan

            hahahahhaha . I love it. This is my dilemma. we talk a MASSIVE game, but when it comes time to show it….

          • rkmid71

            It’s like they played not to lose. Like Cruyff said: “If you can’t win, make sure you don’t lose.” Hopefully they open it up in the next two matches and go for it, take the initiative. Even the USMNT is on the attack more these days. It’s just odd for the women YNTs to play this way. At least now, the USWNT is setting a better example in the last two matches — though it’s not clear whether this new style will prevail. And not sure these YNTs are equipped with the right players to play that way at the moment.

          • #1Fan

            which is again contrary to a team that thinks it has the best 2 young attacking talents in world football. If I had that i would ram it down the oppositions throat. But o do that you must have midfield players who can dictate the game.

          • rkmid71

            Yep. And defenders that can not only defend, but have the skill to possess the ball and get it to the midfielders or depending on what the opposing team is doing, go direct to the forwards.

          • #1Fan

            I just read it …Here is the passage i like the best

            The USA continued to sit back and absorb in the second half. Taylor Otto, Kaleigh Riehl, Ellie Jean, and Elliston held on against the onslaught from France, which finished the game with 17 shots. Pugh was a major reason why the USA earned a point from the opener. The full national team starter played in the midfield through much of the second half and was a tremendous help to the back four.

            So now she get all the ink for a 0-0 game. Amazing. if I were managing this team, I would have serious issues with the impact this has on team unity

            Pugh created another look with a bit of individual brilliance on the dribble. She won the ball near the midfield and immediately took off toward the goal. A diagonal run from Jessie Scarpa opened up some space for Pugh who elected to keep the ball herself for a shot from 18 yards out, but Chavas was in the right spot to make an easy save.

            sounds like (heaven forbid) a poor shot .

          • rkmid71

            For some reason, she just has to be the hero no matter what happens. I think the hero was that RB that blocked the point blank shot from France.And the GK seemed to do a nice job.

          • #1Fan
          • DNG

            That RB saved the US a point. France was superior in almost every way.

          • Breakers fan

            Sanchez was just as good as Pugh and didn’t make the shooting errors or the missing of a pass – to a wide open Sanchez on a sort of breakaway.
            Sanchez ran back and made a few very good defensive plays herself, as did Pugh. Not that Sanchez was without a few bad plays herself. Pugh’s game was, overall, average – some clearly good, some clearly bad. They’re forcing that high praise and “only her” narrative when discussing the positives of a game France did pretty much dominate. As good as Cascarino was I think I was most impressed by Karchouai.
            I like Ellie Jean – think there’s real potential there. Elliston looks solid too. Don’t mean to decry all the others, those 2 just stood out more to me.

          • kernel_thai

            Yeah but if u didnt know any of the players and were just picking based on that match r u taking Pugh & Sanchez or Cascarino?

          • Steglitz49

            I have a vague memory that many and various players have shone in U20 WC down the ages.

          • Ethan

            Cascarino was definitely the standout. Pugh’s dribbling to get to her shot straight at the keeper was arguably my favorite piece of play in the match though. Garbino’s two left-footed drags before a cross and a shot from outside the box were exquisite as well.

          • DNG

            They had a lot of trouble getting them the ball at all. Defense and CM couldn’t really get the ball though central midfield. US best chances came from France mistakes at the back. US player movement in the center was stagnant. It was way too easy for France to sit in their shape and clog the center of the field.

      • DNG

        Not just failed to score they were dominated. I watched a good portion of the match. France would have had a tap in if not for an excellent block by the RB of a shot from the 6 following a good cutback.

        • #1Fan

          I did not watch. But I would love to hear more form you. here is the thing. Is it coaching? At what point do the players take responsibility?

          • mockmook

            “At what point do the players take responsibility?”

            When they are each paid more than the coach.

          • #1Fan

            i asking the question becasue I really dont know. So according to you, 90 pct of the NWSL is not accountable ?

          • mockmook

            My answer was a bit tongue-in-cheek.

            But, what do you want them to take responsibility for?

            1) Not being talented enough?

            2) Not working hard enough?

            If (2), isn’t it still on the coach to get players who commit 100%?

          • #1Fan

            im not sure what it is tbh. I can guess. I still think that the kids are playing with the handbrake on. looking for validation form coaches who want a certain “style of play” that in reality is not going to happen anytime soon. You cannot play your best while looking to the sidelines. I also think as I have said many times, that the US game does not offer the tactical challenges that the world game does. We are often ill prepared for that especially in midfield and at the back.

          • Steglitz49

            Alex probably is already, maybe a few others?

          • kernel_thai

            Their offense was basically I hope Pugh and/or Sanchez do something brilliant. We did get a constant chorus of “organize” from the bench. It was pretty much a carbon copy of the France/US senior matcesh. France had the ball 60% of the time and kept creating half chances. The US hoped for counters and defensive turnovers to offer chances.

          • So if the US crashes out of the U20 WC, or doesn’t win the tournament, what changes in the program? Seems there is a very large issue from top to bottom.

    • Steglitz49

      NZ-Ghana 1-0

      Germany – Venezuela 3-1 — all scorers have teutonic names
      Mexico – South-Korea 2-0 (Crowther and Palacios)

      • Claude

        Teutonic names such as Wambach, Klingenberg, Sauerbrunn, Krieger, Wagner, Trump or Steglitz?

    • kernel_thai

      Pugh is not a forward and Ill be surprised if she ever is. She needs to be creating goals not trying to finish them.

      • Ethan

        I agree that she’s not a forward and should be looking to create goals. However, you still want her to score goals. Hazard’s been more highly regarded this season because he’s been in his best goal-scoring form since joining Chelsea in 2012. Pugh’s play for that first-half chance was good; her shot just wasn’t. On her second half shot, she probably should have looked for Scarpa or Sanchez, but I wouldn’t have minded her cutting on to her right for a shot where she had more space and a better angle.

        • Steglitz49

          To use male analogies, which I dislike, are you typing that her model should be Özil rather than Zlatan?

          Your point seems to be that she is a Miyama or Naho rather than a Schelin or Blackstenius.

          • Ethan

            Well, not Miyama. Pugh is much, much faster; so she uses pace and her mobility far more. Thus, not exactly Özil either because he’s not exactly fast and the most mobile of attackers. Naho is a better comparison although I look at Pugh more as a #10/winger that cuts inside more. So, my male comparison would be Hazard, and my female comparison would be Martens.

          • DNG

            When have you really seen Pugh cut inside? I don’t think she does it that often. She prefers to use her pace to get end line. Neither of the chances you mentioned in the U20 France match for example were cases of her cutting inside. The only time I can remember her scoring after cutting inside for the NT was after she picked up a loose ball in the box against Colombia. I think Hazard is a terrible comparison for Pugh by the way. Hazard does not have Bale’s top speed but top class acceleration so he likes to slow tempo down before exploding on defenders. That doesn’t really remind me of Pugh at all. Hazard is also an excellent finisher. The reason he didn’t score last year is because he was averaging 1 shot per game. This year he is averaging over 3

          • Ethan

            Excellent finisher? When he’s on form, yes. However, take away the start of this year and ask Chelsea fans if Hazard is a consistently excellent finisher. I’m pretty sure most would say no or be unsure. Really, I was just thinking about a model (Steglitz49’s word) for Pugh.

            You’re right that Pugh hasn’t cut inside as much as I was expecting her to. However, she has cut inside on a number of occasions to play in through balls (i.e. for Morgan against Sweden, Morgan and Lloyd against France, Press against Colombia, etc.), and I wouldn’t mind it if she did that more (or took more shots cutting in).

            The first chance in the France game was her cutting inside. She picked it up on the left flank, cut in to the center of the pitch, beat Cissoko with her acceleration, and went in on goal. That’s also a play that was Hazard-esque to me. The turn that led Pugh to her second chance against France? Hazard’s obviously not the only player to use that move, but he has used it a number of times. That had the same effect as slowing play down before exploding on the defender. So maybe Hazard as a model isn’t the best choice; it’s certainly not terrible though. Agree to disagree.

          • DNG

            I wasn’t just talking about Hazard of this year. He’s always been a player that’s finished difficult shots pretty consistently when he takes them. The problem is that he has not always been the most assertive at looking to create his shots in every game and occasionally turns off when his team is up.

            As far as the U20 games specifics I don’t agree that her dribbling the ball into the center of the field was really cutting inside a la Robben, Hazard or other and I honestly think she just ran past Cissoko as oppose to slowing her down before blowing past. The only US player who I think consistently cut inside to create her own shots is Megan Rapinoe

            My point and perhaps I didn’t make this clear enough is that Hazard is a player who likes to manipulate the tempo of the game at times and I don’t think Pugh really does that at all. I think she plays at one speed, fast. Pugh is also a very vertical dribbler. Dunn is probably the only player who’s cutting off own her dribbles and ability to ride tackles somewhat looks like him. Dunn does not have that close ball control though.

          • Ethan

            You’re right that Hazard has finished difficult shots pretty consistently. The flip side though is that he’s missed routine shots more often than you’d expect from a consistently excellent finisher. I don’t completely agree, but I see your point about Pugh.

          • Steglitz49

            Lieke Martens who played for Göteborg, Christen’s and Yael’s old club, and before that Duisburg, the club of Ashlyn Harris. Now she plays for Rosengård, the club of Ella Masar McLeod.

            Lieke is 5’7″ which is abit taller than Mallory’s 5’4″, which is a wee tad bit short for the modern game though 2″ taller than both Aya and Naho and 3″ more than Mana.

        • kernel_thai

          I think Pugh feels pressure to get goals for this team. U see that with Morgan on the big team. What see needed to do was go for a placement and if it got saved so be it. The first attempt she went squarely at the GK. The second attempt she went straight at the middle again only trying for the roof.

  • Silver Frost

    What are we going to do during WNT hiatus? Those 1AM U20 matches are not a realistic option for me.

    PS: I wonder if Williams is going to get a second look next camp. At least Ellis gave her a few appearances, which is more than Danni and Kristen got. And Sonnet: people on this forum were touting her as the next WNT defensive starter for the next ten years.

    • mockmook

      Watch any NWSL games that you have missed…

    • Bruce

      Most (all?) of the Australian W-League games are available for re-play on Fox Sports Australia.

      http://www.foxsports.com.au/video/football/w-league

      Quality football, top-knotch commentators and advanced stats available on the WestField W-League home page.

      http://www.w-league.com.au/

      In many ways, a better viewing experience than the NWSL.

    • kernel_thai

      I think Ellis needs to sow things down a bit for Williams. Bring her in off the bench and let the game come to her. Regardless I think she is a lock for Jan Camp and SBC. Then u may see some decisions made.

  • Guest

    I was never a huge fan of Press and was frustrated with her after the Olympics but she looks like a new player out there…. much more tenacious and aggressive. It’s working. She might be peaking at the right time to be the feature forward for the next world cup.

    • #1Fan

      I dont think much has changed other than perhaps more confident that she will get minutes

      • Bruce

        I’m pretty confident that 2016 Press is much more active/assertive than the 2015 version, and would think that’s a reflection of a concerted effort to bring a midfield presence to her game. She played almost half of the NWSL season at CAM – which I think was a first for her.The first time I saw that level of work was during a pre-Olympic friendly (Japan).

        • skybolt

          I liked the shove she gave the defender near the end line. She’s definitely attempting to be more aggressive, which is a good thing even if you receive a foul here and there.

          • Steglitz49

            You need to be assertive, not aggressive. Aggressive gets you cards and concedes penalties.

          • skybolt

            Not on the offensive end though. Lloyd has certainly gotten away with very physical play against the top teams in the world. You can’t just let the defenders push you around.

          • Bruce

            Agree. I say this to my daughter (a forward) all the time. If you aren’t committing fouls in the attacking third you aren’t doing it right.

          • #1Fan

            Sorry, but I dont agree.

          • Bruce

            Would like to hear more about your thoughts on this then…

            “If you aren’t committing fouls in the attacking third you aren’t doing it right.”

          • #1Fan

            i think it depends on the type of forward. Target types are often mixing it up with CBs so I can see that. Finesse types are usually being fouled. The only finesse type i can think of who dishes it out is Suarez, but we can argue how much of that is just his temperament.

          • Bruce

            Always appreciate your point of view.

            I see how your view applies to the mens’s game, but can’t think of a lot of successful finesse players in WoSo. I think that that actually plays into a belief we share, that physical presence >> technical ability in WoSo today.

          • #1Fan

            i look at it from youth on up. I do see quite a few decent young finesse players. However I do agree with you that the physical attributes are hard to beat. The thing is that we conveniently forget the role athleticism plays because so many of the middle class parents who fund the sport at youth level dont want to admit that little Mia does not have that. You can buy almost everything else thru training. You can also buy a role on these ECNL teams . Sorry to sound so cynical, but I feel that is honestly why.

          • rkmid71

            That’s one reason my kid didn’t play ECNL. Huge roster, pressure to spread out playing time given the $ being spent. It wasn’t about letting the best players play. And what made it even worse the coaching was worse and the competition in the conference in our area was mediocre at best. I’m sure ECNL might have been great other places. I don’t know what the kids learn about real life with this kind of system. They need to learn how to compete, how to cope with failure, how to work hard for something that is not given to you, etc.For players to develop, they have to play and they have to apply their skills at a steadily increasing level of competition seeking out the highest level of speed and athleticism they can handle.And hope to eventually reach the top. Some just don’t have the athleticism required..

          • Bruce

            Great outlook. Our kids are better off when we help them see the world in that context.

          • Steglitz49

            Your daughter went and played in Japan for a while did she not? How was that seeing that the Japanese are smaller and lighter than Americans on the whole.

            One of the commentators on U20 WC noted that North-Korea has a lot of players who are comfortable using either foot. She did not know whether they picked out two-footed players at an early age or whether they forced skilled players to work-up their weaker foot. A bit of both, probably.

          • Steglitz49

            The list is longer than you think. I can think of three on M straight away. That is just one letter in the alphabet.

          • Steglitz49

            Indeed. Lloyd only got booked in the 110th min of the QF. About 100 min too late.

          • skybolt

            Tancredi got away with stomping on someone’s head. WoSo refs let the girls play. 🙂

          • Bruce

            There’s no chance she’ll ever be as physical in the box as Lloyd, Morgan, Wambach, et al (but she doesn’t need to be).

            Frankly, I find it pretty amazing that a player in her late 20s can fundamentally change her game at all.

          • anon

            I think spending all of her free time training with heath might be helping as well. I don’t know how much work the other players put in on their own time (a lot, I’m sure) but Press strikes me as particularly obsessive about improving, taking shots on her own, etc.

          • And physicality is everything. I mean it has cost Alex Morgan some big playing time due to injuries because she goes into everything full steam ahead all the time.

          • Steglitz49

            Alex is one of WoSo’s mega-stars up there with Marta. The pounding has been worth it judging by her wallet.

          • #1Fan

            Marta is up there becasue she does things that NO OTHER female player has ever done. Morgan is up there becasue she is from the USA.

          • #1Fan

            well, I dont think she has.

      • anon

        that’s why i think Press is better as a starter than as a sub when the team needs a goal… she doesn’t historically deal well with that type of late game pressure, but knowing she has the 90 ahead of her probably instills a bit more confidence. i could see williams as being more effective in a late game sub role. if Leroux makes it back, i could see her in that role as well.

      • DNG

        I think she’s more aggressive without the ball in terms of pressuring. Her game while in possession hasn’t changed much at all she’s always been a good shooter and above average passer

        • #1Fan

          and you judge this from all of 2016? or just recent games?

          • I’d argue since Brazil she has become a lot more aggressive. I have no doubt Jill told her she needed to be, to remain on the team.

          • rkmid71

            I think it’s more the style of play that’s more in sync with how she likes to play — and the other players around her are more on the same page.

          • Yes, true. And it will all crumble again when Lloyd returns. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that Press had a great camp when Lloyd was gone. Same with Japan games earlier this summer when Lloyd was out. The two seem to have trouble coexisting. I know who I’d rather have in the game..

          • Steglitz49

            Makes sense.

          • DNG

            All of 2016. I was comparing her to years past.

      • Her number changed back. I think that’s what it is.

      • mockmook

        Wagner mentioned that Press had been told by JE that she has to be more aggressive — it’s that simple.

  • Guest

    I wonder if that’s it for Williams. She really needed to stand out more. A shame, I do like her but she isn’t quite there in terms of her finishing ability.

    • newsouth

      that’s why players need a full season worth of games at a GIVEN position. ops, that’s not how the NT works with over 2 yrs before the next WC. life @ USTeT

      • guest

        i understand the argument that she is still getting used to everything but Press and Leroux for example were destroyers right away (especially against weaker sides), and Press came from outside the U-system as well. I hope she gets another chance but who knows with Jill at the helm.

        • #1Fan

          but does that make them good players ? It takes a certain mindset to beat up on weak teams. Im not sure that mindset translates to much more. I keep reading that Press is mentally weak and Leroux was the opposite.

          • skybolt

            I think the point is that if you’re given an initial opportunity to play against the tomato can teams, you better make the best of it. As the previous poster mentioned, both Press and Leroux killed weaker opponents when they were given a chance to play early on. Both were scoring goals at a ratio of 1.5 goals per 90 minutes. Williams just seems too laid back for this offense. She was almost gifted a second goal by the defense, but failed to pounce on the ball and get off a good shot. She also had a wide open header earlier in the match and appeared to miss-time her jump. Look at someone like Tymrak who was banished from the NT after a bad outing against Russia. Of course, I’m sure Williams will continue to get starts since she’s performing so well at the all important “practice” according to Ellis.

          • #1Fan

            i get that. I guess all im trying to say is that if the goal is to build teams that can beat the best, then you may have to look beyond that. You know my view on the whole Practice thing. Im in the Allen Iverson camp 🙂

          • skybolt

            Williams has definitely earned the right to get a few additional looks with the NT. However, if I were Ellis, I’d consider bringing her off the bench next match. Sometimes that reduces the pressure of having to start and produce.

          • #1Fan

            im interested in your comment “earned the right ” . can I ask you where you think she erned it ? How did Sullivan “earn it” or Hatch for that matter ?

          • skybolt

            I agree that “earned” is a strong word. I would say she “may” deserve another look, but perhaps let her develop from the bench, where there’s perhaps less pressure to perform right away.

            I really like Sullivan, but I just wish she’d stop shooting from outside the box. She’s making Pugh look like Messi when it comes to her shot making ability.

          • guest

            She’s leading Stanford with 11 goals in 18 games as a center midfielder, so I can’t wait until she puts it together on the NT level.

          • guest

            17*

          • #1Fan

            my point is other have done that before and not “earned” it.

          • rkmid71

            I think it comes down to marketing. Once they decide they like a player for whatever reason (and politics could and probably do enter here too), then facts and truth sort of get pushed to the side as they may feel a need to justify or rationalize. And it becomes a marketing exercise.

          • Steglitz49

            The best marketing is based on real achievements. Fans are not fooled so easily and the rest of the American people do not give a damn.

          • rkmid71

            As you say, 8-1 in 1981 comes to mind.

          • Steglitz49

            Let’s wait till after WC20 is over before we make comparisons.

          • atalba

            What’s important is to see her switch up with Moe. I think this was the intent. Andi’s a natural at DM. This is her first season at Stanford at CM, and she looks just a bit hesitant when she has space. There’s no doubt she can find someone a shot, but she needs to work on her scoring mentality; not just shooting instinct. If you have time to say “take it,” she probably won’t, yet.

          • rkmid71

            Count me in Iverson camp too. Some players are just gamers. They turn it up a notch, focus more, or just can execute the same when the lights are on. Practice is practice. Are you going to put your body on the line in practice every day? Come on now. Players have to be pragmatic.

          • Bruce

            I don’t think the analogy fits at all. Iverson’s take on practice was one of a player who had already distinguished himself as being a FAR superior player on the court. That isn’t the case of any of the women playing last night. I’ve coached a lot of different youth sports (basketball, soccer, football) and struggle to recall the case of any mediocre practice player who consistently performed well at game time.

          • #1Fan

            it was a joke . not meant to be a serious analogy .

          • Bruce

            Sorry, my sense of irony is frayed at the moment.

          • #1Fan

            all good my man .

          • Steglitz49

            Maybe for WoSo it might be renamed the “Alex” camp?

          • #1Fan

            you try too hard to insert Morgan in conversations.

          • Steglitz49

            I was looking for a female athlete to comapre with, preferably a soccer player. Allen Iversen is male and basket.

            Maybe Zlatan or King Eric might work but a female of the species would look better.

          • #1Fan

            I may be wrong , but this is a reference to a specific incident. Not sure you saw it

          • Steglitz49

            No. I did not. But NYRick can confirm that for years now, I do not like the use of male comparators. There are enough females that can be used.

          • #1Fan

            not in that context. None. It was one of the epic rants of all time.

          • Steglitz49

            Like King Eric and his seagulls?

          • kernel_thai

            If Ellis looks at it rationally she see that the 3-4-3 doesnt favor either Williams or Ohai as much as the 3-5-2 did. Or she can take her typical view that neither played well. This was a case of the Romanian coach making adjustments and Ellis staying the course per usual.

          • #1Fan

            343 does favor Pugh and Sanchez tho 😉

          • kernel_thai

            I think it’s the flavor of the month. Also not sure it favors tho two youngins’ either as they r also more dangerous in space.

          • #1Fan

            i saw it more form a defensive standpoint. If you are going to play them as fwds in 352 ..then less space. iff as O/B then way more defensive responsibility.
            I think 343 as lf/rf suits them perfectly tbh. space and not as much defensive work to do.

          • kernel_thai

            I dont see either as a forward.

          • #1Fan

            so you see them as lm/rm in 343 of 352 ?

          • kernel_thai

            I could see them central as an AM or wide in various formations. I suppose u could play them wide forward in a 3 front but I think u limit what they can do with their ball handling in that position. The more space u can give them on either side the more they can take advantage of it.

          • mockmook

            The WB doesn’t always come forward in the attack in a 3-4-3

            So, there are plenty of opportunities for the LF/RF to have space to operate (not to mention the times a WB will come forward inside and then the LF/RF moves outside).

          • mockmook

            “If Ellis looks at it rationally she see that the 3-4-3 doesnt favor either Williams or Ohai as much as the 3-5-2 did.”

            I don’t see that at all.

            Somehow I’ve been roped (or, perhaps doped) into defending JE in this thread — oh, well 🙂

            Are you saying the US would have played better (and ROU couldn’t have adjusted on the fly) if the US used a 3-5-2 ???

          • kernel_thai

            No, Im saying that the 3-5-2 favored Ohai and Williams because it offered them more space and in evaluating their performance that should be considered as opposed to gee they dont seem to be improving. It would also be nice if Ellis jumped in the fray when the opposing coach makes meaningful changes instead of just counting on being able to wear down the opponent with fitness.

          • mockmook

            I dare say we would have seen as many players attacking whether she used the 3-5-2 or the 3-4-3

            So, I’m not sure about space.

            Ohai was on the wing in both formations — though, she seemed to switch inside for some of the second ROU game — there’s an adjustment!!! 🙂

          • Steglitz49

            Romania has a lot to learn and seemed to be quick on the uptake.

            The USWNT is one of the very best in the world so it is not so easy to show improvement.

          • Bruce

            Or maybe they just bunkered after testing their ability to go toe-to-toe in game one. I think that’s what friendlies are for.

          • atalba

            Exactly. They went out the first game knowing they’d get blown out and just played their game. The second game, now with more confidence, they bunkered down.

    • kernel_thai

      I was much more impressed with her in the 2 front than the 3 front. Between all the defenders and at least 4 attacker the crowded box neutralized her speed advantage. That said she needed to bury that bunny.

      • Ethan

        Yeah, she did. She also completely misplayed a decent header opportunity in the first half. I guess that’s what Riley was talking about when he said heading was a weakness in Williams’ game.

  • Frozen Blue

    Heath was frustrating for me this game, far too much dribbling that either had no end product or took to long slowing down play.

    I wanted Horan to shoot so much this game, she got her self into space on top of the 18 then tried to make tiny passes which is fine sometimes but sometimes she needs to rip that shot. This was one of the better games from her but it was like she was scared to shoot.

    Seemed to me that Brian and Sullivan were switching positions more in this game. Sullivan was much less effective in this more forward position until the second half.

    • Nild

      Maybe you shouldn’t focus on Heath only when she’s dribbling. Because most of the the USA attacks started with her. So that would be the opposite of frustrating, at least that’s what I think.

      Horan seemed fine. The Romanian players were clogging up the box.

      I’m lovin the Sullivan and Brian connection. I’m interested in seeing how it turns out against a top 10 team.

      • Frozen Blue

        Most of the attacks lately actually start with Dunn who had at least 3 assists last game and was the playmaker/scorer in the first half of this game. The left side was very quiet until the Press goal.

        • Nild

          Note I said “started with her” if i remember correctly 3 of the goals involved Heath in some way. But we disagree. Nothing wrong with that.

        • DNG

          Heath did over dribble in this game but I don’t think it was as much as you do. Left side was quiet because they weren’t switching the ball to the left side. Part of that was because I think Dunn did a better job of showing for the ball than Press. Romania were playing with 6 at the back with one player close to the wingback at all times and another close in support. That meant playing to the feet of Heath or Ohai wasn’t really on and since they were the primary width providers they didn’t make too many inside runs in behind. This changed a little in the second half and Heath in particular started to make more runs inside.

        • They barely played down the left side at all in the first half. .

        • Kevin

          I think a lot of this probably had to do with Short being on the left and Sauerbrunn being on the right. Short was terrible at advancing the ball up the left flank.

    • guest

      “Heath…too much dribbling” Part of Jill’s strategy to slow the game down so that Long can catch up.

    • Guest

      I’ll have to rewatch but I thought Heath played really well for the most part. Dunn’s goal doesn’t happen if she doesn’t find Press. Her play on the Press goal was stellar. She was also combining really well especially in the second half and was able to put some dangerous balls into the box.

      The only big issue I had was her finishing. She should’ve had two goals.

    • Kevin

      I disagree… many of the attacks started with Heath “playing” with the ball out on the flanks and drawing in 2 defenders. I think that was the plan all along and it worked great many, many times, but not every time.

  • guest

    unbeaten but not olympic gold medalists.

    • Steglitz49

      Essentially what is says in the 2nd para of the article.

      In WC-11 the US lost to Sweden but luckily for them it was in the group game, likewise their draw in WC-15 came in the group. The WC-11 final is also considered a draw for the same reason as this QF.

  • skybolt

    So were Romanian players head hunting Morgan in these 2 matches? I counted 4 very intentional fouls with the potential to maim.

    • Steglitz49

      They were just being “aggressive” instead of “assertive”. Commentators on the EQ laud and magnify Christen for being aggressive. What is suce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

      • Kevin

        I didn’t think Press was very aggressive at all. She looks very weak to me even when they’re praising her aggressive plays. Standing close to someone and swiping your feet at them isn’t aggressive.

        • Steglitz49

          Christen is the sort of lass who would let the other girl walk off with the hunk at the disco because: a) she would not put a move on the guy; and, b) did not claw the other girls eyes out. Too kind for her own good. No injuries, though.

          • Kevin

            Hard to get injured when you never get into a fight.

        • Paul Klee

          Press is very strong with her lower body and core rarely gets knocked of balance has great body control. Weakness upper body strength is not going to shoulder many opponents off the ball.

  • Ron Rocha

    Again, fun to watch Ohai with Dunn. Over the years they have complimented each other really well and while this just showed a hint of that old connection the potential seems still there. They have always been neck and neck with Ohai getting a bit more attention and Dunn a bit more recognition if you know what I mean. Dunn, with all her latest experience has greatly improved but I see no reason that Ohai could not do the same and have a dymamic duo on that side once again. Also, press is looking great. And I wonder, if we were to chart all the touches and passes between Long and Short could we get some sort of Morse Code message?

    • skybolt

      I wonder if Short completes all her passes during practice.

      • Steglitz49

        Seeing that Casey made the 1st XI of Toppserien while she was at Avaldsnes, it is not impossible that JE is using her inefficiently.

        • skybolt

          The way I look at NWSL play vs. the NT is sort of like receiving a good job opportunity after getting a really high GPA in school. However, once you get to the next level, your past achievements will mean very little. They’re just a tool to get you in the door.

          • Steglitz49

            The next test is in the summer of 2019. A long time to experiment and assess.

          • skybolt

            Agreed, but at some point you have to give other new players a chance to make an impact if as a forward you fail to score match after match. It also calls into question what Ellis is seeing during practice that isn’t necessarily translating onto the pitch. For instance, Short has been underwhelming so far IMO, but was praised by Jill during practice. Perhaps someone like Shea Groom would’ve done a lot better during actual play, even if she didn’t impress Ellis during practice.

          • Steglitz49

            Given that the US dominates other teams so much, it is awfully hard to assess defenders in friendlies. That assessment can be made in a Probables vs Possibles game where the one side has the attackers and the other the defenders.

    • The slow rolling passes between Long, Sauerbrunn and Short were driving me insane. I am not one with that backline.

      • skybolt

        You should do what I do. Press the fast forward button on your DVR once. The passes look a lot quicker at twice the speed!

        • haha I’ll give that a try on my re-watch. Not possible in real time.

          • Chak Khan

            Don’t have cable. The game is not YouTube. Where can I watch the last match against Romania?

    • kernel_thai

      Id swap Ohai and Heath. Ohai and Dunn r similar and to some extent so r Press and Heath. Flippng them would give the attack a little bit of both on each side.

  • Jim

    Chicago is lucky Christen can’t bail for LA team yet. You know it’s coming.

    • Guest

      Surprised she hasn’t left them for Portland or Seattle to be honest. Believe your right waiting for California get team. Though Portland would be hard get traded too.

      • anon

        Harvey was rumored to be trying to get her, i figure Dames is very opposed and would try to get a huge trade from it. I thought the NT players could leave their teams as they please though, so if she really wanted to be traded couldn’t she? Maybe she is happy playing for the red stars for now.

  • NYRick

    Hey S49, 5 assists for Press for the year. I thought she never gets any?

    • Steglitz49

      Does not help her in 2016. Her images of 2016 are well known.

      • guest

        Do you also object to Alex Morgan posing in body paint?

        • rkmid71

          Not sure about Steg, but I know I don’t mind.

          • Steglitz49

            It is funny that commentator “guest” immediately leapt on the nude shots, not the shots that went astray when it mattered.

            Alex was 22 at the beginning of being noticed while Christen is at 27 not a spring chicken.

          • You always magically forget that Alex missed her PK as well. But I forget that you can make all the excuses for Alex and drag Press for everything.

          • Steglitz49

            Alex did not miss her PK. Her PK was saved. The quality of the PK is open to question but the goalie saved it by guessing right.

            the other player hoofed hers over the bar. The same that Carli did in 2011. Carli survived and eventually became POTY. It is up to Christen to redeem the time left to her.

          • HOFCToDi

            CP23 is the most overrated player in USWNT history.

            FIFA Top Ten Ranked Opponents
            USWNT Goals Scored
            Morgan (DOB 02 Jul 1989) – 34
            Leroux (DOB 07 May 1990) – 8
            Press (DOB 29 Dec 1988) – 3
            Johnston (DOB 06 Apr 1992) – 2
            Dunn (DOB 03 Jul 1992) – 2
            Horan (DOB 26 May 1994) – 2
            Mewis (DOB 09 Oct 1992) – 1

            Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

            garbage time
            prima donna
            selfish shot hog
            tomato cans

          • HOFCToDi

            CP23 is the most overrated player in USWNT history.

            Christen Press did not score a goal versus a Top 12 FIFA Ranked opponent in calendar year 2016. Christen Press did not provide an assist versus a Top 12 FIFA Ranked opponent in calendar year 2016.

            fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/women/index.html

            Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

            garbage time
            prima donna
            selfish shot hog
            tomato cans

          • Amy P.

            your a broken record.

          • HOFCToDi

            Alex Morgan is the only individual in the entire USWNT player pool that has scored a goal against SWE in the last four years.

            ussoccer.com/stories/2016/08/12/19/37/160812-wnt-falls-to-sweden-4-3-in-penalty-shootout-after-1-1-draw-in-2016-olympic-quarterfinals

            ussoccer.com/womens-national-team/tournaments/2015-fifa-womens-world-cup/150612-wntvswe#tab-1

            ussoccer.com/womens-national-team/tournaments/2014-algarve-cup/140307-wnt-v-swe#tab-1

            ussoccer.com/stories/2014/03/17/13/10/wnt-wins-group-b-at-2013-algarve-cup-to-advance-to-final

          • Ando91881

            One could make a strong argument that NWSL competition is tougher than USWNT competition matches. In the NWSL, Ms. Press has 25 goals in 39 matches whereas Ms. Morgan has quite a bit fewer.

          • Steglitz49

            Ms Press hit the bar when it counted. Not a good idea.

          • HOFCToDi

            Bull crap.

            wnyflash.com/news/?article_id=461

            WNYF 0 THA 0

        • Steglitz49

          That was cheeky and a brilliant marketing ploy that can’t be repeated. Smart advise.

          • guest

            So posing in body paint for Sports Illustrated is cheeky and brilliant, but posing nude (but with nothing important shown) for ESPN is shameful and trashy?

          • Steglitz49

            Hitting the bar and sailing over the bar is not a good idea either. Once would be unfortunate; twice seems like carelessness.

    • HOFCToDi

      Christen Press did not score a goal versus a Top 12 FIFA Ranked opponent in calendar year 2016. Christen Press did not provide an assist versus a Top 12 FIFA Ranked opponent in calendar year 2016.

      Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

      garbage time
      prima donna
      selfish shot hog
      tomato cans

      • slownumbers
        • HOFCToDi

          CP23’s production versus Top 10 FIFA Ranked opponents:

          USWNT
          2013-2016
          Christen Press
          Goals – 3
          Assists – 1

          PATHETIC!

          Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

          garbage time
          prima donna
          selfish shot hog
          tomato cans

        • HOFCToDi

          Christen Press
          2016 Summer Olympic Games
          Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 6, Shots on Goal 1
          Penalty Kicks Attempted 1, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

          Christen Press
          2016 SheBelieves Cup
          Goals 0, Assists 0

          Christen Press
          2016 CONCACAF Women’s Olympic Qualifying
          Knockout Stage
          Goals 0, Assists 0

          Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

          garbage time
          prima donna
          selfish shot hog
          tomato cans

        • HOFCToDi

          Christen Press (DOB 29 Dec 1988)
          2016 Summer Olympic Games
          Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 6, Shots on Goal 1
          Penalty Kicks Attempted 1, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

          Crystal Dunn (DOB 03 Jul 1992)
          2016 Summer Olympic Games
          Goals 1, Assists 1, Shots Attempted 6, Shots on Goal 3
          Penalty Kicks Attempted 0, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

          Christen Press (DOB 29 Dec 1988)
          2016 SheBelieves Cup
          Goals 0, Assists 0

          Crystal Dunn (DOB 03 Jul 1992)
          2016 SheBelieves Cup
          Goals 1, Assists 0

          Christen Press (DOB 29 Dec 1988)
          2016 CONCACAF Women’s Olympic Qualifying
          Knockout Stage
          Goals 0, Assists 0

          Crystal Dunn (DOB 03 Jul 1992)
          2016 CONCACAF Women’s Olympic Qualifying
          Knockout Stage
          Goals 0, Assists 0

          Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

          garbage time
          prima donna
          selfish shot hog
          tomato cans

        • HOFCToDi

          Christen Press (DOB 29 Dec 1988)
          2016 Summer Olympic Games
          Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 6, Shots on Goal 1
          Penalty Kicks Attempted 1, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

          Mallory Pugh (DOB 29 Apr 1998)
          2016 Summer Olympic Games
          Goals 1, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 4, Shots on Goal 1
          Penalty Kicks Attempted 0, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

          Christen Press (DOB 29 Dec 1988)
          2016 SheBelieves Cup
          Goals 0, Assists 0

          Mallory Pugh (DOB 29 Apr 1998)
          2016 SheBelieves Cup
          Goals 0, Assists 1

          Christen Press (DOB 29 Dec 1988)
          2016 CONCACAF Women’s Olympic Qualifying
          Knockout Stage
          Goals 0, Assists 0

          Mallory Pugh (DOB 29 Apr 1998)
          2016 CONCACAF Women’s Olympic Qualifying
          Knockout Stage
          Goals 0, Assists 2

          Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

          garbage time
          prima donna
          selfish shot hog
          tomato cans

  • guest

    If dunn goes abroad, I hope she goes somewhere where she can grow as a player (I am a fan of hers, btw). Isn’t the french league full of tomato cans? Will she improve there?

    • Steglitz49

      The food is good, though. The injury rate is high in Germany. It rains in England. Maybe Sweden or Norway but the pay is not as good.

    • kernel_thai

      Lyon would be good for her…the rest not so much. At Lyon she’d have a lot of easy matches but still learn how to fit into an offensive scheme.

      • Steglitz49

        Montpellier, Juvisy and St Etinne are alternatives, maybe even that new team in Marseille?

      • atalba

        I don’t think playing on an all-star team in a league with a bunch of tomato cans is good for any player. It can’t be any better than the USWNT playing Romania. At least the German league has 3-4 good teams. For those German fans, I’m not saying they’re better players; just more spread out.

        • kernel_thai

          I wouldnt want to see key US players in the Bundesliga due to injury concerns. What Lyon would offer Dunn is structure. She would have to curb her free wheeling style and fit into what Lyon is doing. I think being able to play both ways will expand her game. Rapinoe discovered this when she went to Lyon and I think she returned a better player.

          • atalba

            I accept she could learn from playing in any league. I don’t buy the value (unless you’re talking money) in playing in for OL. Competition is key to me. The Champions League might do it, but the French league doesn’t seem to be enough competition. Play for Pottsdam, or the common American stop Munich, or Wolfsburg.

  • Can we please move on from “Allie Long, CB” please? Try Krieger there. Also, Sauerbrunn has fallen off quite noticeably in 2016. Maybe 2015 was just so good from her that we got spoiled.

    • Steglitz49

      New blood, please, not old blood in new wineskins.

      • Who do you suggest then?

        • Steglitz49

          Dracula’s daughter?

    • Kevin

      I think Krieger’s days with this team are numbered… same with Rapinoe.

  • newsouth

    harvey, pinoe and your #1 and #2 for press. draft picks aren’t important b/c you fill in your roster with seasoned internationals.

    Let the Press Reign begin!

    • Fred

      Seattle has terrible field and awful facilities. She will never go there idiot.

  • atalba
    • Steglitz49

      The pass is superb but she was not exactly being hassled.

      The goal is a nearpost goal, which are generally considered to be goalkeeping errors.

      • atalba

        The pass was the play of the game! Shot? It was in.

        • Steglitz49

          If you insist but nearpost goals are usually chalked up to goalkeeping errors. Also, fine passes are all very dandy when you do not have players like Fischer, Seger, Dahlkvist, Samuelsson and Sembarnt to worry about.

          • Ethan

            Not a near post goal. A nutmeg goal, which isn’t really any better. But those make you feel bad for the goalkeeper more than critical of him or her. Now, Press’ second goal in the first match? That was a near post goal, and it should have been saved.

          • Steglitz49

            Your point is well taken. Goalkeeping error however you look at it.

    • nwslfan

      ok, no lies here. Press was wide open with a ton a space, receives the ball by taking a very weird, awkward, backward touch, compounds the problem by turning INTO defensive pressure, but while waiting to get the pass, she could see Dunn’s incoming run and knew by that point in game that Dunn’s pace was miles faster than her defender’s pace. Press recovered her balance, knew Dunn had torched her mark, and with backward momentum, Press got off a lovely, fantastic weighted pass to put in Dunn, in stride. Dunn scored, but let’s be candid how did the keeper miss that save? This play deservedly was the highlight of the first half.
      http://www.cbssports.com/soccer/news/uswnt-vs-romania-goal-highlights-press-delivers-filthy-assist-dunn-nutmegs-keeper/

  • atalba

    With a 3-back line, I saw very options of players than can fit. I still think a player like Allie Long is a very good fit at CB, but she needs to learn. Brunn could possibly do it also. JJ is not disciplined to hold the back. Any outside player must be blazing fast and skilled on the ball. They need to show confidence chasing and getting up the line. I can see KO or Short, but no others tried. I still think this is a perfectly natural position for Crystal Dunn, as she played it in college, and has the makeup for the position.

    • anon

      Dunn is still a primary scoring threat… until they find another one, I wouldn’t want to put her on defense.

      • #1Fan

        vs whom ? the question they have to ask is she a prime threat vs France, Japan , England , Germany etc. I get she scored a wonder goal vs Eng, but that was the exception, not the norm. I like Dunn but Im just pointing out the other side.

        • anon

          She scored agaisnt Colombia, South Africa… when Morgan and Press were nowhere to be found. I haven’t seen Dunn play enough against top teams to make a solid judgment. Same with Press.

          • #1Fan

            Read above. I dont thin they really care who scores vs those teams . its not the decision they are making.

          • anon

            well that basically leaves you with Lloyd and Morgan then, as far as players who have the scoring pedigree against those sides.

          • #1Fan

            im not sure that it does. UI said they have to make that assessment based on what they see. I think Press can. I think others may be able to as well. Dunn is not a player I would want as my primary scoring threat vs very good organized teams. Not that my opinion matters

          • anon

            maybe not the only forward, but she should be in the picture as one of them. I have been more impressed with her against tougher opposition in a pressure situation than Press. But the sample size is still too small to make a good judgment.

          • Kelly

            Well they should care about those teams… we almost didn’t beat one and drew the other in a major competition.

          • anon

            and South Africa is an example of a team that was pretty organized defensively during that friendly… much moreso than Romania was

          • Steglitz49

            South-Africa had a decent OG-16 all things considered.

          • #1Fan

            you are missing the point .

          • Kelly

            I don’t think I am.

          • #1Fan

            ok. I dont think the USSF are sold on Dunn as Fwd #1 or #2 . She does not fit the narrative at all. I like her a lot. Just think she could score form W?B as well and get on the field more

          • Steglitz49

            Dunn’s problem is her size or, rather the lack of it. Granted, Mana Iwabuchi is also 5’1″ but she is only 1″ shorter than the average for a Japanese lady her age while Crystal gives away 3-4″ to an American lass.

          • #1Fan

            her size is irrelevant to them. her issue is her perceived lack of technical chops compared to others. In reality, her effectiveness should be the prime concern, but I can tell you it is not. What position did she play on the u20s

          • Steglitz49

            Size is never irrelevant. That is the midget in goal argument over again.

            Crystal caused a lot of headaches to the swedes in Brasilia — there is your answer.

            Ms Dunn’s lack of size means that she can play on the flanks but not in the centre. The question is why needlessly handicap your team unless Crystal’s brilliance makes up for it? It did in Brasilia.

          • #1Fan

            we disagree. Her size has pros and cons . Just like Horans size has pro and cons or Wambachs did. It matters little.

          • Steglitz49

            Gerd (the Bomber) Müller was consdered short and he stood 5’9.5″ but Johan Cruyff was only 1.5″ taller than him though Gunnar Nordahl was 6′ at least if not 6’1″ and Zlatan is 6’5″.

            The Magic Dwarf is 5’7″, the same height as Alex and Christen.

          • #1Fan

            and so what? Are you not the person who was deriding male comparisons ? I refrained form them for that very purpose . Dunn si a fast, strong, agile well balanced , low CG player. there have been many succesful players with those attributes.

          • Steglitz49

            There have been a few rare such in soccer.

            You won’t buy my Japan Golden generation but, of course, they average 2″ MORE than the Japanese average and Mana Iwabuchi is 5’1″ and I have not found a 5’0″ player among them, let alone a 4’11” or 4’10”.

          • Frozen Blue

            According to Livestrong the average height of a European soccer player is 5’11 1/2″ tall; Messi 5’7″(Sterling and Mata also), Silva 5’8″(Augero too), Neymar 5’9″, height is not everything.

          • Steglitz49

            What is your point? That Mana Iwabuchi is too tall for her own good?

            Whom shall we liken Messi unto? Marta is an obvious player, is she not? At 5’4″ Marta is the average height for an American lady her age.

            How about Miyama? At 5’2″ Aya is the average height of a Japanese lady her age though she is 2″ shorter than the average American.

            By all means, list all the midgets and you will see how rare they are.

          • #1Fan

            2x ACC Def POY . WoSO is one fo the only sports i can think of were physical tools are so dominant that you can then move to a fwd position and still do well. It says a lot about whre the sport really is.

          • Steglitz49

            Japan’s Golden generation averaged 5’4″. They did it by superb technique, tactical nous and focus.

            The U20 North-Koreans were hardly shorter than the swedes. A bit, granted but not a lot. They are two-footed, fast and organized. If Sweden manages to come 2nd, not a foregone conclusion, they face either the Japanese or Spain!

          • atalba

            That is exactly the advantage of American woso, if you play to that advantage, which JE is trying to do. It does, in no way, show our limitations; just the opposite.

          • #1Fan

            I diont really understand what point you are trying to make. please tell me what you see as our advantage and how JE is trying to play to it.

          • atalba

            Been through this already! Speed of play. I didn’t see the u20 game, but we have young players on all lines that shine. Andi Sullivan is one, and there are many more. An all-star team playing in the WWC is not necessarily indicative of their game when they’re playing on their team that practices together for years.

            I suspect the u20 will still do well.

          • #1Fan

            i thought you meant tactically. We disagree. I have seen little evidence from the u17 or u20 that we are developing players who have the technical ability to say that speed of play is an advantage. Speed of foot, sure. But of brain, touch and execution …not to me . I dont see it often enough to say its the US advantage.

          • MyfootballIQ

            Just watch the game, the current u20 squad is not good at all, in fact it’s never been good, track record show that. football IQ, first touch, off the ball movement… just not same level as other teams like France, Spain, Japan, North Korea u20, French/Snow keep saying that we have the best technical young players, just ridiculous. It looks like that their game plan is to give the ball to Pugh as soon as possible and hope that she will take care of the rest. I am so disappointed…

          • atalba

            Did you have it recorded? Or did you find it online? I want to watch it. I even have FoxSportsGo, but they don’t save games like ESPN.

            Didn’t the US u20 win in 2012? Did you mean this particular team or all u20 US teams?

          • MyfootballIQ

            I meant the current cycle of u20s. You can watch u20wwc games on the fox sports website.

          • DNG

            Just to play devils advocate, but didn’t Garath Bale come up as a outside defender as well because his touch was so raw originally?

          • #1Fan

            good example. I would say tho that he was a modern FB thought . Like Alves. More of a winger and a terrible defender 🙂

      • #1Fan

        Any forward on the US team is a primary scoring threat in 90 pct of the games. .

        • Steglitz49

          SheBelievesCup — vs England, Dunn and vs France Morgan and vs Germany Morgan and Mewis (m&m)

          OG-16 vs Sweden — Morgan

          Japan game 1 — Morgan x 2; Horan — Japan played with 10 but still managed 3-3
          Japan game 2 — Johnston and Morgan (though both goals off-side)

          That Alex lady is all over the scoresheet when it matters. Six (6) times, as far as I can tell.

          • #1Fan

            SBC cup …hmmmm not sure that matters.

          • anon

            you’re not really making sense. you want players who can score against top sides, the SBC is one of the only times you get to see that. morgan delivered and dunn did too. not saying Press can’t.

          • Steglitz49

            Hear hear!

          • #1Fan

            I wrote that Dunn scored vs Eng, did I not? You cant make up your own home event and then tell everyone it matters. The assessment has to be made on what they think going fwd. WC and Oly is it as far as big games go for US women. and NWSL finals . All the rest are glorified friendlies

          • Steglitz49

            I put it to you that that is the crux of the matter. The European nations have struggled through Euro qualifiers. Next year is Euro 17. Then starts WC qualifiers which are even tougher. No rest for the wicked.

            The Algarve Cup maybe gone. Will the SBC replace it in an effective form? Maybe? Maybe not? Too soon to tell.

          • Steglitz49

            England who finished #3 in WC-15 and Germany whom the US beat in the WC-15 SF and who beat Sweden in the OG-16 final hardly don’t matter. I give you that a goal against cheese-eating surrender-monkies maybe should be discarded.

      • mockmook

        Pretty sure atalba was referring to Dunn as being a WB

        Not really a defensive position against a bunker.

        • #1Fan

          agree with this. would be a great wide outlet in the final third and has the speed/ stamina combo to get back when needed. Unlike a few others . is Dani Alves a defender ?

          • Steglitz49

            Sounds like Jessica Samuelsson and Leonie Maier, and Shark Island Girl in her prime.

        • atalba

          No, actually on the back line. She played that a lot at UNC. Certain players have a great 1v1 ability, and can do it on both ends. She’s one of them. With her speed, ball control, she’s a natural for OB in a 3-back line.

          Not that I don’t like her at wing. She has grown tremendously with her vision.

          • mockmook

            Against decent teams, there is no way a CB in a back 3 should be worried about getting up the line.

            That’s what the WBs are for.

          • Steglitz49

            Indeed.

          • atalba

            OB. OB. OB. not CB.

          • #1Fan

            OB as in R or L in RM or LMin 352 or 343 ?

          • atalba

            back line in both – outside. Not CB. I never mentioned Dunn as a CB. And she didn’t play that position at UNC. Outside back in any 3-back line.

          • Frozen Blue

            I agree she would be good at it but it seems like such a waste of her offensive talents to me, I like her further up in the 3-5-2 as a winger or in a 3-4-3 winger or outside forward, her work on the Press is phenomenal.

          • #1Fan

            ok here is what most consider the positions in a 3 back set

            3 CBs – 4 Midfielders and 3 Fwds or
            3 CBs – 5MF- 2F

          • atalba

            I’ll go with what Anson Dorrance calls it – Outside back.

          • #1Fan

            I love the way the US takes positions and just renames them. 🙂 An OB is a US invention. the rest of us have to guess what it means.

            in 5 back formation, then people often use the word Wing Back .
            but that position becomes RM or LM in a 343 or 352

          • Steglitz49

            Agreed. I tend to think in terms of RB, LB and 2 CB for a 4-back line.

            The RB and LB can come up in attack, like for Japan and Germany, for example but then 2 from the MF must drop back to cover.

          • atalba

            Whatever. Displaying your arrogance, you’ve missed the point completely. Dunn has the mentality to play that position, and she’s proved it. She’s got the physical traits to play on the wing, anywhere, including up top. My point point that with a natural ability to take on 1v1 on both sides; ball control; and speed; she’s a natural at outside back in a 3-back formation.

          • #1Fan

            you are too much. Im simply trying to understand what position you mean. and you keep avoiding it.

          • atalba

            Outside back in a 3-back line. I’ve been clear from the very beginning. Your arrogance greatly exceed your knowledge.

          • #1Fan

            so CB to us then. Its funny how you dont see that others are also confused by your terminology, but tis I you have the agenda with 🙂

          • atalba

            You know exactly where I meant, if you’ve seen her play at UNC.

          • #1Fan

            i honestly dont, nor do others, which is why we ALL asked.

          • atalba

            So you talk about UNC not developing players, and you’ve never seen Dunn play at UNC? You’re so full of it! Arrogance!

          • #1Fan

            i never said that . I said I dont know what you mean. I have watch Dunn play since her HS/Club days on LI. She played many positions at UNC . Its pretty funny how you wont answer a simple question as to what position you are referring to her for the NT . it such a simple question. Instead you want to talk about all sorts of other things. Also telling that others confusion is not an issue for you

          • atalba

            Anybody on the board knows what “outside” means, and what back line means. You’re just showing your arrogance, unless you’re truly an idiot and arrogant. You don’t represent anybody but yourself.

            I don’t care what what you call that position. I don’t care if you call it fullback. I don’t care if you call DM or HM. Pretending to be a purist is just arrogance masking idiocy.

          • #1Fan

            It’s strange how some resort to name calling

          • DNG

            Most people don’t refer to the 3 in the back as outside backs. They call them all CBs. The players who do the typical role of a modern OB are the WBs.

          • atalba

            Call them what you wish. UNC players get up the flanks, and are known to do that. Florida has played this way parts of the season and Cardeno is a good example of what I mean; getting up the flank with speed and offensive mindset. UNC has played this way for decades.

          • #1Fan

            i dont think any soccer person in the world considers a CB in a back 3 and outside back.

          • #1Fan

            play what position? That is all me ( and others) have been trying to understand.

          • Frozen Blue

            I have to agree with Mockmook here, in a three back I would expect all 3 of them to stay back as much as possible, not joining the attack.

          • #1Fan

            as do I , but its not clear what position he means

          • kernel_thai

            In a perfect world the WB provides the cover when the opposite OB ventures forward. Ohai was doing it when Short tried to get forward. Ellis is greedy and wants her OBs gewtting into the attack even in a 3 back.

          • DNG

            WBs are the width in pretty much every 3 at the back formation(not Guardiola’s). They are often not in position to cover if a CB decides to step up. Heath did stay back when short pushed forward but there is some serious potential defensive vulnerabilities if you decide to push a CB forward even if the plan is for the DM to cover.

          • mockmook

            The three backs in a back 3 are all considered CBs

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f7076e3b977ab2211ad6fea462020b115f692decbec1119ba14aef3ffec6621f.jpg

            But, regardless, it doesn’t matter what you call them. Against a decent team, it would be SUICIDE to send any of these CBs forward (see USA vs SWE for a similar suicide pact).

          • Steglitz49

            Indeed. Lisa Dahlkvist to Stina Blackstenius.

            North Korea’s defending was spot on. The North-Koreans kept Blackstenius quiet in U20 WC but when Sweden got near the box they threatened. Still 0-2 flattered Sweden because it could have been 0-5.

          • mockmook

            And, yet, you get into to big fight with #1Fan because you insist that #1Fan knows what you mean.

            Surely, if you have watched any decent amount of soccer, you knew what I meant by using CB, right?

          • atalba

            Played, coached, watched. How many teams do you know that play with 3 in the back? I will continue to call them outside backs in any formation. You can call them what you want.

            You knew what I meant about a player playing on the outside on at the back line, and so did he. You want to carry his argument also?

          • mockmook

            I want you to acknowledge that you should have given me the same consideration, i.e., you shouldn’t have batted an eye when I referred to the “OB” as a CB.

            Or, did you truly not know that almost everyone calls the 3 backs CBs?

          • atalba

            I did not know that you and your friends call them CBs. I have studied from different coaches, many like Dorrance, TonyD, and RandyW, and the only one who plays that formation is Dorrance. He calls them LB and RB and Outside backs. As I see it, he is the authority on the 3-4-3. I’ve been following U.S. women’s soccer for 25 years, and Dorrance is the authority for the 3-back line.

          • mockmook

            Really? This is how you’re going to play it? Only your point of view is valid in this matter?

            I acknowledged that we understood you, but you can’t acknowledge that these are also “standard” representations?

            Here’s a graphic from the FIFA 15 video game. Please note that it is licensed by FIFA:

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1aa14f4ff5b6a47b5a45fe54aeede61ac13b7bfa268930f0c8287eec9a2fb3e4.jpg
            (click on it to get the full view)

            And, I already provided you a training graphic in another comment.

            But, please, continue to be a CB-denier…

          • atalba

            What woso coach do you know that plays with 3 on the back line? Any? As I mentioned, UNC. I also mentioned that Florida also uses it. Becky burleigh has been coaching that team for nearly 20 years and she calls them outside backs. She also presses with them as I mentioned Cardeno.

            http://m.mynews13.com/content/mobile/news/cfnews13/news/article.touch.html/content/news/articles/bhsn/2012/10/16/gaither_s_dragotta_p.html

          • mockmook

            “What woso coach do you know that plays with 3 on the back line?”

            How is that possibly relevant? We are talking about how these players are designated by ANYONE.

            Did FIFA 15 pull these designations out of thin air? Did the people who made the other graphic?

            Why is it so hard for you to admit that many people refer to these players in different ways? What point are you making?

          • atalba
          • mockmook

            So? She’s also a CB (or LCB, if that makes you happy).

          • atalba

            As I said, you can call it what you like.

          • mockmook

            “But the match is also notable for Ellis trotting out a trio of center backs in a 3-5-2 setup.”
            — DAN LAULETTA

            http://equalizersoccer.com/2016/10/20/five-players-earn-first-caps-for-uswnt/

            Do you agree that Dan is knowledgeable about soccer? And, he isn’t even one of my “friends”

            http://disq.us/p/1dok70d

          • atalba

            Call It What You Want https://g.co/kgs/FO8HrS

          • mockmook

            Do you agree that Dan is knowledgeable about soccer?

          • atalba

            I haven’t seen it much outside of UNC played on a regular basis. Florida is playing it some this year and Cardeno fits in this role well.

            If you watch UNC, you’ll see their “players on the outside of the back line” get up the field naturally and normally. They’ve done this for years. What’s incredible when watching these players, is their chase of the ball back down the line towards their own third. This is where a confident 1v1 player with speed knows they’ve got it covered. Obviously, there’s a shift of the other two to ball-side of the field, limiting the space, but the recovering back usually handles their defensive space.

          • mockmook

            I think Anson disagrees:

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gZEbCQW0uM

            1) UNC has played a lot of 4 back games in the last few years, so you are seeing OBs getting forward there

            2) In the rare instances when the LB or RB do go forward, I’m sure the DM drops in to the back line

            Again, this is against good competition. I’m sure Dunn was constantly able to go forward from, say, RB when they played South Dakota Plains Community College.

          • atalba

            They have played 4 in the back when Dorrance couldn’t rely on his back line. But the 3-4-3 is his standard formation with his good teams.

          • atalba

            What he expects and says that his line shifts to cover ball side, and opposite side winger falls back; and the GK is a sweeper keeper. It doesn’t matter who covers; his best teams with his best players like Dunn and Murray played on championship teams, like players in the past, in this formation. He has rarely used 4 in the back.

            In Dunn’s Jr year, she was moved to CF during the tournament, but played in the back all season, winning ACC DEF POY for the second time.

          • mockmook

            Again, not a peep by Anson about any of his back 3 going forward:

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96OmBbDk8So

            (almost as if that is not “the plan”)

          • atalba

            I have that 2009 DVD. I’ve watched the entire thing many, many times. First off, you’ll notice he has them labeled LB and RB. As he talks about their movement, he calls them outside backs. And if you watch the entire video, you’ll see that he expects them to get up the field. He explicitly describes their movement on the offensive half, like he does here on the defensive half.

            If you’ve watched UNC, you’ll see that they do get up the line. This year you’ll see Gardner and Ashley get up the line. In the last few years, you would have seen Dunn on the right and Satara Murray on the left get up the line. I think she’s playing for Liverpool LFC.

          • #1Fan

            no way Dunn can play CB at the Intl level. I think it is very dangerous to talk about UNC as a test case. They are unique it the “brand” of soccer they play. I am not a fan of it at all to watch or from a development standpoint. but you cannot argue results

          • guest1

            You mean having 60 of there players play on full team? That development .. Dunn, Ohai, Long, Heath all started last night.

          • #1Fan

            i knew someone would go here. So out of College how many of them made the team ? It has taken them all a while to arrive here for a reason.

          • guest1

            huh? I’m saying UNC has had 60 of there players get a cap for full women’s national team. All of them played in the first game against Romania .. Harris, McDonald, Ohai, Dunn, Heath, Long. That’s developing players idiot. Ever heard of Lilly, Hamm etc?

          • #1Fan

            Not really. Those players developed further outside that environment and eventually become Full internationals. Good for them. And yes I have heard of them. When WoSo was essentially a USA only game and NC was the only game in town. Im not an idiot .

            Go ask Yael Averbuch about the technical development at UNC. As I wrote above, UNC has done a great job at developing the competitive spirit in players.but less so in technical development.

          • atalba

            That is so idiotic and arrogant!

          • guest1

            I don’t care what Yael has say about development she didn’t make it as WNT player, I can go ask Meghan Klingenberg or any player that did. Your point? Then again you probably think she doesn’t have technical skill because she is UNC player. What all UNC haters say. Dunn was on the team as college player they chose not play her.

          • #1Fan

            I like UNC . I just have no issue saying what I think they are great at and what I think others do better. Im not a hater at all, just a guy who likes the game. I also dont get your point re Yael. She helped UNC win 2 CCs, , her jersey is retired and I think she payed for the US in 2007. 26 caps is nothing to be ashamed of. She went straight in to the full NT and was one of the most technical players UNC ever had. I cae about her opinion. I have raed some of what Kling has said. All the players talk up the competitive nature and the drive to perform your best at every session. As I said , they do many things well. but clearly you only want to focus on the one thing I dont think they do well.

          • atalba

            And they’re 18 years old. They’ve been training on top club teams for a decade. They are the best at what they do. They have had a lifetime of technical training, and they are top athletes. If you end up n a second tier college like the second tier of the ACC, you might not have that sort of training. It ridiculous to think these players don’t already have technical training, and get more at UNC.

            I’ve seen some of them play at a club level, and watched UNC for 25 years. You’re an idiot.

          • #1Fan

            ok . i love the way the default is to call me an idiot 🙂 so lkets assume I am and you are right, then every ACC player at the top say 5 schools is a great technical soccer player then. Sorry, but no . It just not the case.

          • #1Fan

            every team has different coaching and a different focus to WIN. They are not in the business of player development as such. They are in the business of winning. there is nothing wrong with that. I hate using NFL analogies, but college teams prepare player to win. not all translate to winning at the pro level. its the same thing. UNC develops players to win in its style and result show that they have had great success doing it.

          • atalba

            Oh, that’s so ridiculous. Any and every coach that doesn’t win is out. That’s the base line. What you look for in players is the technical ability and athleticism. What you teach is tactics and technical. Some coaches are better at that, but you don’t win without teaching, training, conditioning, and coaching.

            You’re so wrong about football also. Technique is critical in football as well; even for the tackle.

          • #1Fan

            Sorry but once again I have no idea what you are talking about. So me saying that college coaches wan to win and are not necessarily focused on individual development as such is ridiculous. Ok. Let’s just disagree.

          • Steglitz49

            Football as in the game the world knows as football or as in grid-iron?

          • atalba

            I would just prefer to call soccer football, and (American) football American football. I slip because it’s so natural.
            football is football with the feet – agree. I often call it that.

            US football with that thing you throw and catch should be called American Football. I just forget sometimes.

          • Steglitz49

            It is natural. This is an American site and most of the commentators are American. Occasionally the word football sits a bit oddly in a text because it is ambiguous.

            It is the JFA but I think they call soccer “saka” or something like that, derived phonetically from soccer.

          • #1Fan

            UNC do a fantastic job of breeding that tough competitive spirit. Dont think they do as well in developing technical skills.