Lloyd, Sinclair, Henry on shortlist for FIFA’s best player of 2016

The Equalizer Staff November 3, 2016 178
Carli Lloyd, the reigning best player in the world, is up for the award again in 2016. (Photo Copyright Clark Linehan for The Equalizer)

Carli Lloyd, the reigning best player in the world, is up for the award again in 2016. (Photo Copyright Clark Linehan for The Equalizer)

United States captain Carli Lloyd and Canada captain Christine Sinclair are among the 10 players on the shortlist for the FIFA Best Women’s Player 2016 award. Lloyd is the incumbent for the award given to the world’s best player.

Germany leads all other countries with three finalists: Melanie Behringer, Sara Däbritz and Dzsenifer Marozsán. Germany won its first Olympic gold medal in women’s soccer this year.

Lyon leads all clubs with three players on the list: French midfielder Camille Abily, Japan defender Saki Kumagai and Marozsán. French midfielder Amandine Henry, who plays for Portland Thorns FC, is also on the 10-player list.

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Marta, who won the award five straight times from 2006-2010, is also a nominee this year. Her Rosengård teammate, Lotta Schelin, rounds out the list.

The winner will be announced on Jan. 9, 2017, in Zurich.

This year’s award changed names to the “FIFA Best Women’s Player” after FIFA earlier this year split from France Football and the Ballon d’Or for the annual awards. The change sees 50 percent of the decision based on the votes of all captains and head coaches of women’s national teams around the globe. The other 50 percent will be defined by the result of an online public ballot with football fans and the submissions from a selected group of over 200 media representatives from the six continents.

10-player shortlist

* Camille Abily (France/Olympique Lyonnais)
* Melanie Behringer (Germany/FC Bayern Munich)
* Sara Däbritz (Germany/FC Bayern Munich)
* Amandine Henry (France/Portland Thorns)
* Saki Kumagai (Japan/Olympique Lyonnais)
* Carli Lloyd (USA/Houston Dash)
* Dzsenifer Marozsán (Germany/1. FFC Frankfurt/Olympique Lyonnais)
* Marta (Brazil/FC Rosengård)
* Lotta Schelin (Sweden/Olympique Lyonnais/ FC Rosengård)
* Christine Sinclair (Canada/Portland Thorns)

  • #1Fan

    How Lloyd gets on these lists is beyond all comprehension.

    • DNG

      17 goals in 21 NT appearances this year is what US Soccer wrote in their support tweet. Ada’s omission only confirms my suspicion that league play doesn’t matter at all in a tournament year.

      • #1Fan

        not sure why you added “in a tournament year ” LOL

        • DNG

          Well there is one year out of the 3 that doesn’t have a major tournament so they have to base it on something that year but good point.

          • Steglitz49

            Nadine Kessler won.

          • Tom F

            that year Kessler’s teams won the triple crown; Bund.title, Ger man Cup &CL, plus the Algarve Cup

          • Steglitz49

            She was rather fetching too.

      • Hugo

        Ada was key winning the CL. So it wasn’t only the league. Her not being nominated is ridiculous.

        By the way – Ronaldo won 2014. I assume it was not based on his 2014 tournament performance

        • DNG

          I meant club play overall but I guess that was unclear.

          • Hugo

            I see, but the Ronaldo example proves it can be won with club performance as well apparently.

            It would be interesting to see how those 10 came on the short list

          • Ethan

            That reasoning doesn’t work because most people care far more about men’s club football than men’s international football. In a tournament year, top male players play 50-60+ club matches that are routinely watched by large numbers. The major tournaments last max 7 games for a player, and I don’t think the viewing numbers are that much larger.

            However, unless you’re a fairly serious fan of women’s football, you really don’t know anything about women’s club football. Heck, I don’t know that much about European women’s football because I haven’t gotten around to figuring out how to consistently watch the matches.

            The FIFA Footballer of the Year award on the men’s side has been predominantly decided on club performance for years. It has to be since neither Argentina or Portugal (with the exception of this year) have done that well in major tournaments. (Portugal didn’t even really perform that well in the Euros.) However, the FIFA Footballer of the Year award on the women’s side has been decided on international performance on a number of occasions.

            Note: Think about the highest cap numbers for male players, and then think about the highest cap numbers for female players. International football is given far more weight in the women’s game.

          • Steglitz49

            Still does not explain why Lindahl is missing from the list.

            Hedvig has played 119 times for Sweden so she is not exactly short of caps. Sweden took silver in the OG. Ought to be worth 2 candidates given that Lotta won with Lyon.

          • Claude

            Don’t agree
            .
            This price should not be awarded based on what people care about.
            .
            The viewing numbers for major international men’s tournaments are also much higher than club games (of course in other dimensions)
            .
            If you a are a fan of women soccer you also (usually) do care for club soccer. Maybe not if you are from the US
            .
            But the FIFA consist out of over 200 nations. It’s not just about how the US fan thinks and feels. For other nations club soccer is essential
            .
            Women players from other leagues than the NWSL do have around 40 games per year if they play for bigger clubs (league games, CL games, national Cup games).
            .
            I come to the following conclusion:
            For men club football is over-represented while it is under-represented for women

          • Steglitz49

            Too true mate. Thank you.

          • Ethan

            Men’s club football is not overrepresented. That’s the football that occurs for the majority of the year each year.

            I didn’t say women’s football fans don’t care for club soccer. I said people who are just casual, occasional fans (i.e. people who just watch women’s football during the World Cup or Olympics) don’t really care for club football.

          • Steglitz49

            USA 315m, Japan 145m, France 60m — need I go on?

          • HOFCToDi

            Nobody gives a damn about Sweden.

            2014 FIFA World Cup ………………

            Sweden was nowhere to be found.

          • Steglitz49

            This concerns WoSo in 2016.

          • HOFCToDi

            This concerns wounded Swedish national pride. By the way, Sweden failed to qualify for the 2014 FIFA World Cup.

          • Steglitz49

            BroSo, not WoSo.

            Lagerbäck rules OK — and cost Iceland a lot less than JK costs the good old US of A.

          • HOFCToDi

            youtube.com/watch?v=3OQH-VmHyZQ

            SWE failed to medal at the 2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup.

            SWE failed to qualify for the 2014 FIFA World Cup.

          • Steglitz49

            Then Jessica Samuelsson would have been a given, as would Stina Blackstenius.

        • Tom F

          maybe Ada didn’t make it cause………………they all ready got 5 Lyon players on the list(if you include everybody’s that played in 2016 on the team). How many more Lyon players should we add on?

          • Steglitz49

            5m inhabitants in Norway and 9m in Sweden — f*^k them. FIFA has bigger fish to fry — if not to sleep with.

        • guest

          it is now official. women pro footballers and men pro footballers don’t do the same work.

        • JL

          Major tournaments are given more weight when it comes to picking the 10 players, but club play is not completely ignored.

          • Steglitz49

            The list stinks to high heaven.

      • Ethan

        Well, how does that explain Kumugai’s inclusion? And she’s a defender, a position that’s traditionally overlooked in these awards.

        • Steglitz49

          She is Japanese.

        • DNG

          You make a valid argument but I think Kumagai being included this year has been the exception not the rule in over the years with major tournaments. The cynic in me want believes that FIFA just wanted to include a Japanese player and given Kumagai’s success with OL and Japan’s absence from the Olympics, She was the obvious choice when including a Japanese player. I could be completely wrong about that feeling which is not based on any knowledge so feel free to disagree. I have no idea what Lloyd and Schelin are doing on this list.

          • Steglitz49

            The “cynic in you” is right, as I noted 2 hours ago. 145m Japanese trump 9m Swedes, let alone 5m Norwegians. Mazeltoff!

          • A_Dog_Without_A_Clutch

            Her selection has nothing to do with her being Japanese, it has everything to do with these 2 factors:

            A. She got the game winning shoot-out goal in the Champions League Final.

            B. It is easier to overinflate…er…rationalize her contributions because she has a lot goals (for a defender) attached to her stat sheet. She is OL’s designated penalty taker.

          • Steglitz49

            She sure scored in the WC-11 final. Like Lisa Dahlkvist, Saki could cope with sportsmanship.

          • DNG

            Even with her accomplishments why is she on the short list over Hegerberg? The UEFA player of the year. I’m not totally buying it but I understand people who disagree. I have no proof to back it up

          • A_Dog_Without_A_Clutch

            That’s the problem. Your club career has some say, but ultimately it won’t be remembered if you do not have that importtant highlight clip. The women’s game is way too overdefined by the international game.

    • rkmid71

      If a USWNT player must be on this list, in a year which they failed so miserably at OG, with Lloyd as captain, I would have put Alex Morgan or Tobin Heath. Both did way more for their club than Lloyd and both did at least as much and in my mind more for the USWNT. I think Morgan has scored at a comparable rate as Lloyd and scored the equalizer vs. Sweden to get team to Pks at least. And she really showed leadership in helping Orlando get off to a great start in NWSL. Likewise, Heath has been consistently very strong throughout 2016.

      • Ethan

        I wouldn’t say “a great start in NWSL”, but I agree that Morgan showed some good leadership. I would say that Morgan would have deserved a place on the shortlist more than Lloyd, but her raw numbers (curse her own finishing and the finishing from her teammates on her good “key passes”) and her club team’s eventual place weren’t particularly good. I think Heath is overrated by a notable number of people here and in the media, but she really would have been the only US player whom people could have justified being in this shortlist.

        • rkmid71

          As an expansion team, despite their final record, Orlando’s home avg attendance was 2nd in the league after Portland @ 8,785. Morgan played in 15 NWSL games, more than almost all other USWNT players. Morgan had slightly more goals/minute played than Lloyd for the USWNT. It’s not about the raw numbers. Lloyd shoots A LOT for her stats and takes most if not all PKs. I think Houston won 1 game of 7 that Lloyd played. Portland won the league regular season, Heath led league in assists playing in 14 games. Heath and Morgan were on form for both club and NT. I’m sort of fed up with these awards. Too political.

          • Steglitz49

            Alex Morgan is the real McCoy. She proved it a long time ago and she has kept adding to that proof.

            The absence of Swedes in the plural prove you point about political. A dung award if there ever was one.

          • rkmid71

            Now you know how the Japanese ladies feel!! I suppose the Swedes have to be satisfied with OG silver medal. And I thought fought well in the final versus Germany and nearly pulled out the surprise — they had chances. They went for it that’s for sure. How Alex Morgan didn’t win POTY in 2012 I’ll never know. And Lloyd? I guess Morgan probably doesn’t care in a year the team bombed out anyway. Is it the FIFA Technical Committee again that selects the 10? The same one that mysteriously left Sauerbrunn off the 2015 WC All Star team. I have a hard time imaging what goes out in those smoke filled rooms.

          • Steglitz49

            I have always felt the pain of the Golden generation.

            As for the selectors, they used to be a French magazine. Now they are a bunch of gnomes in Zurich. That they would be so biased as they are, is bizarre. Totally unexpected.

          • Ethan

            Morgan definitely deserved the 2012 POTY award. I think the main theory is that it was given to Wambach as a career achievement award, and that’s what I think too. However, that doesn’t explain how Morgan finished third behind Marta. I guess name recognition and the fact that Marta played professional club football that year explains that.

          • Steglitz49

            Marta could well win it this time, though I suspect one of the German lasses will. That may be the reason why Hedvig Lindahl is not in the list.

          • Steglitz49

            Sawa was POTY in 2011. Some of the lists have had several Japanese players in them but the Press have tended to vote against them.

            Your point about Alex vs Abby in 2012 is well taken. Abby probably got it for life-time achievement unless you suggest a darker motive.

            The Ballon d*Or had its origin with a French paper and, as I understand it, the French have some role in organizing these nominations. It would explain not only two French players on the list but also Kumagai and Schelin, who play in France (Schelin moved back to Sweden after the end of the 2016 season).

          • rkmid71

            I wonder if each federation;country simply provides a list of players in order of priority. So FIFA is really not responsible for which US players gets prioritized, (that would be USSF) but more deciding how many US players to shortlist. Likewise for other federations. Talk about political, favoritism etc. That’s why there is so often a disconnect between the selections and actual contribution and performance on the field.

          • Steglitz49

            Sounds plausible though it does not quite explain why 3 Germans but only one Swede (and not the obvious one), the same number as USA, Can, Bra, Japan, while no Norwegian and 2, not just1 but 2, French.

            Sara Däbritz and Melaine Behringer both play for Bayern Munich, who did appallingly badly in the ladies Champions League, while DZ played for FF, who also did not too well, but for the start of this season moved to Lyon.

          • rkmid71

            Under my theory, FIFA would have to explain why x number players for various countries. Federations would have to explain why x player. So the Swedes have to explain why Lotta was prioritized over others — presumably for lifetime achievement, being captain/leader or whatever. Fifa would have to explain why not more Swedes like Lindahl, Samuelsson, Dahlkvist, or others in lieu of French or other players. One wonders what list would look like if Sweden had won OG. Presumably the list has to include a player from US, as the #1 ranked team despite the OG embarassment.

          • Steglitz49

            That the list stinks is one thing. Worse, the stink simply reinforces the perception that nobody takes WoSo seriously. WoSo can’t afford such an own goal.

            Given that this was an Olympic year, 3 Germans was not unreasonable but it had to be matched by 2 Swedes. This stands to reason.

            I am not sure that as a corollary Sweden would have gotten to nominate 3 players had they won the gold. They may not even have gotten 2 nominations.

            Lindahl, who plays in the FAWSL, would have provided an English league player by proxy. The problem is that she would have been highly likely to win and FIFA has shown its disdain of small countries before.

            That Sweden was given 1 player, the same as Brazil, US, Canada and Japan, is simply unfair. Even worse is two French players. At some point natural justice must come into play. If you want to recognize club play, there was Ada Hegerberg and Miedema.

          • guest

            maybe megan rapinoe will win the nobel peace prize this year for her influential us national anthem protests ?

          • Lorehead

            They do need somebody to pick up the prize for Literature.

          • guest

            don’t worry. i think bob dylan will be there for honor. he has showed up for all the past major honors even for one in sweden before. just as long as he doesn’t have a show from his never ending tour. his artistic output is just staggering and it’s not dark yet.

          • Steglitz49

            Next year surely.

            Though Nobel was Swedish, he gave the peace prize to Norway to award. The other prizes are awarded by his Sweden.

          • guest

            influential??? not one other player joined her protest.

          • mockmook

            I detected sarcasm in “guest” #1’s comment.

          • JL

            Houston was 4-3 in games that Lloyd started, and one of those losses was the game she got injured in. Their record without Lloyd was 2-7-4. Houston had 17 goals in the 7 games she played, 12 goals in the 13 games she missed.

          • rkmid71

            Stand corrected. Thank you. It helped that of those 7 games, 2 were against the worst defense in the league, Boston, in which the team scored 7 goals. She had about 1/2 her goals and assists (or points) in those 2 games and more than half her shots on the season in the Boston games.

        • DNG

          Heath’s offensive production is certainly overrated but I think her overall contributions are often underrated. She was arguably the best player on the best team in the NWSL(Sinclair probably would have been the best had she played 15 matches). I do think the media overreacted to her overlying numbers in the NWSL this year though. FK assists, even though some were excellent FKs, definitely boosted her numbers. No one is going to remember that the year she set the assist record she had 5 from FKs though 5 years from now. Just a point of contention. You lament teammates not finishing key chances on Morgan’s passes but don’t mention the same for Heath. Heath could have easily finished with another 3 assists this year for Portland. The bottom line is both finished with what they had.

          • Steglitz49

            It does not change the fact that this short list is full of dung.

          • Ethan

            And Morgan could have easily finished with four or five more assists. Heath is constantly praised for her creating and playmaking despite the majority of her assists coming from set pieces. The same can’t be said for Morgan; so many people have just seen her as an over the top, speed player throughout her career. I will admit that I also focused on Morgan because I watched essentially all of the Pride matches.

            I honestly think Heath’s overall contributions are overrated as well. At least, her negative plays are often downplayed. For example, her two assists and stellar play in the final minutes of the first Orlando-Portland match seemed to hide the fact that she was pretty awful with her distribution in the first half of the match. (You can check out WoSo Comps’ all touches video for that match. Her pass percentage number was bad for that half, and I think that happens more often than people think.) Nevertheless, Heath had a very good year, and I still noted that she’s the only US player deserving of a place on that shortlist.

          • DNG

            Okay first I wasn’t praising Heath for not getting assists on good key passes just the opposite. I’m saying that situation happens for lots of other players as well not just Heath and Morgan. Heath takes set pieces because the coach likes her deliveries. I certainly don’t always think they’re great but she did deliver some very good set piece deliveries this year that resulted in goals. If Morgan was good at delivering set piece balls she could potentially be on them too. It’s not like we’re taking goals away from players in the box on set plays. Those count too. Morgan is a speed through the channels over the top player. That is how she score goals and gets most of her assists. I don’t see how you can really argue against that. She’s like Jamie Vardy or Fernando Torres. That’s her play style.

            The first assist in the Portland Orlando match was not in the final minutes it was in the first half. I’d agree that her passing overall was inefficient in this match but her take on success rate was 78% with 7 won and she still made 2 key passes that led to big chances. There are some assists where the goal scorer does more of the work and the passer benefits but that wasn’t the case on these two goal. The 8 of 17 on forward passing kind of supports this too. They were two good passes in to prime scoring positions that got converted. Her passing under pressure in this match was 15/16 which leads me to believe that her inefficient passing was due to trying to force too much. Looking over the stats quickly there wasn’t an attacking player in this match with a pass success rate of over 70% so while I didn’t think Heath made great decisions in this game she wasn’t really outperformed by any attackers and created what were easily the two best scoring chances of the match

            Here is the web app I pulled the stats from
            https://amj2012.shinyapps.io/wosostats/

            You like to make a point of mentioning when Morgan does a good job of pressuring and tracking back and that is something Heath does every game with little mention. She pressured Johnston into giving a gift goal to Sinclair in one of the Chicago matches. That doesn’t show up on the score sheet.

          • Ethan

            I didn’t say both assists were in the final minutes; I just said “two assists” and highlighted her great play in the final minutes. (And I thought her play was great in those final minutes because of her how she handled/possessed the ball and because of her work ethic.)

            I know it happens for a lot of players. I just felt it happened a lot more than usual for Morgan this season than other years for her.

            I don’t think Heath was forcing things in the first half; I think her passing for those longer balls was just completely off. Notice that I focused on her first half. Her second half was very solid, and her longer passes were on. I was just making the point that her second half gave fans and media the impression that she had a great overall game when she didn’t.

            People have talked a lot about Heath’s work ethic in defense and tracking back on this site. On the flip side, I think only a few people besides me talked about how poor/reckless Heath was in that one home match against Washington. (And I don’t think that match is the only game where she’s been less than wise with her tackling.) I thought she was lucky to get away with no yellow, and a no-nonsense ref might have sent her off for two yellows.

            I see your point about Morgan’s style. However, my point was that a lot of people just see Morgan as a speed player with nothing resembling technical ability. Plus, those people don’t talk about her assists; they just talk about goals. Plus, her pass for Spencer’s missed chance against the Thorns? That wasn’t via over the top or in the channel. Her pass into Edmonds against Chicago that the assistant ref screwed up on? She was passing it into the channel, but she didn’t receive any over the top or in the channel pass. Same thing for her pass to Weatherholt against the Thorns and her through ball to Spencer against Sky Blue. Her passes for Spencer against the Flash and Edmonds against the Dash were in the channel, but those also involved good link up between the players, which is not something associated with the “over the top” criticisms. Agree to disagree.

          • DNG

            You may be right. I haven’t watched the game in months but I don’t think she was particularly good with her longer passes for almost the whole match. I thought the decision to try to complete some of those passes was poor decision making due to many being low percentage passes, hence my comment about forcing.

            Heath definitely plays on the edge at times and makes some bad challenges but that has nothing to do with her work ethic, tracking back or defending. You can be critical of her edge if you want to but there are a lot of USWNT players that play with an edge. Morgan is no saint herself. As far as the Washington match goes, it’s pointless to speculate about what would have happened if the cards were given since players are usually more careful after receiving one. I think she could have been carded for both of the tackles you are talking about but she wasn’t.

            I personally don’t see a lot of technical quality from Morgan sure she occasionally can pick out a good pass through poles and break lines but I wouldn’t say it’s the norm for her on any given match day. I do think she has above average link up play but other than that I think she struggles holding the ball dribbling, turning, and general play in congested areas. Like I said to Calcio regarding Leroux I don’t see Morgan doing all of those things from a game to game basis with a lot of consistency. Even though I certainly think she’s has more technical quality than Leroux I think it’s below average on her own squad who are not known for their technique.

            Here’s a list of players I consider more technically sound than Morgan by a decent amount: Brian, Rapinoe, Heath, Horan, Press, Long, Sullivan, Pugh and Klingenberg. Are all those players definitely more effective than Morgan? No, especially if playing a system that suits Morgan’s skill set. But you understand my point. Even Brian, Heath and Rapinoe’s technique I feel is a notch or two below the best Japanese players and a few Europeans.

          • Ethan

            Right, but my point was that a notable number of people have brought up Heath’s tracking back and not that many people (or at least media or serious commenters on this site) talk about Heath’s “edge”.

            You’re right on consistency on picking out a good pass for Morgan. However, I do think she picks out good passes like the pass to Edmonds against Chicago and the pass to Spencer against Sky Blue on a game to game basis. I won’t really dispute with you on the players you mention, but I don’t think Press is really more technical than Morgan when it comes to passing and link up play. (I do think she is more technical when it comes to touch, dribbling, and finishing.) (Small point: Rapinoe in form shows very good technique. However, she is a player that has definitely gone through periods of inconsistency.)

          • DNG

            She’s occasionally reckless. What need is there to bring it up all the time. She’s not Tancredi or even as persistent a fouler as Lloyd. I also imagine some of it is a result of lax officiating in the US I’d bet she would adjust how she plays if the officiating was tighter. She goes in for some tackles she really has to business going for at times. Rapinoe is the same. Occasional reckless play still is not mutually exclusive with a good work ethic so I don’t see the need to point it out unless you specifically want to talk about that. She was also a lot better in the NWSL after the Washington match but I won’t deny that she is still reckless at times.

            I think Press’s passing an link up play is at least as good as Morgan’s. Off the top of my head her pass made to Morgan’s angled run against Sweden at the Olympics was excellent and she often comes even deeper to link up, when required, than Morgan does due to her ability to play in tighter spaces. She’s played as a CAM a good number of minutes for Chicago and didn’t look bad at all. I do think Morgan is strong at linking up but I think Press is as well. Her shooting technique with both feet is also superior and I think her ability to create space in to box to get off shots is as well. I think Rapinoe’s inconsistency is due more to poor decision making as oppose to poor technique.

          • Ethan

            Press makes a lot of great passes. I was just saying her technical ability in that sense is not better.

            I didn’t say Heath’s recklessness needs to be brought up a lot. I was saying her negative attributes get overlooked a lot while disagreeing with you that her work ethic and tracking back is overlooked.

          • DNG

            Well then we’re just going to have to agree to disagree about Press I think she’s pretty clearly better than Morgan technically in all areas except link up which I find them close to even in. That makes Press the superior technical player from my point of view even if I believed they were equal passers as well. Ocassional reckless play is overlooked for many WoSo players not just Heath. In general I think the NWSL referees let too much go.

          • rkmid71

            I hate players that have to foul to compete. But like in hockey, every team needs an enforcer to protect the skill players. Because we’ve learned over and over that the refs won’t.

          • Steglitz49

            Rise the qualify of WoSo refereeing and the problem will go away.

          • DNG

            I don’t really think enforcers are needed in soccer I think fouling happens by certain defenders for the same reason it’s sometimes smart to take a foul in basketball. As long is it’s not persistent and dangerous I really don’t have too much of an issue with it. It’s part of the game and high intensity is very much a part of the american play style. More than a few US players that have a bit of an edge to their game. I don’t think any of them play like Tancredi though who is basically an enforcer/intimidator out there for Canada.

          • rkmid71

            Why are you singling out defenders? Midfielders and forwards foul even more. Defenders and DCMs have to worry about getting called for fouls close to goal, so are more conservative. Who do you think fouled the most in the 2015 World Cup? Tancredi had 4 fouls in 5 matches. Lloyd had 21 fouls in 7 matches. Rapinoe had 12 fouls in 6, 2 YCs. If I was getting fouled that often, I might lose it and stomp on somebody’s head also. I witnessed Wambach end Daniela’s career with a totally unnecessary attempted “tackle” at midfield after a kickoff. Is that the American style of play and intensity we want? I think when JE says other countries are catching up, what she means is that it has nothing to do with soccer skill, but everything to do with other teams rostering more players that are able and willing to stand their ground and give an eye for an eye against teams like the US (and Germany and England are similar btw).

          • Steglitz49

            Your point, that players from other countries increasingly stand their ground and won’t be intimidated, is well taken.

            Forwards foul more because they are not expert at tackling. they get the timing wrong and misjudge.

            In the Bomb in Brasilia, Lloyd only got booked in the 110th min. Had she been from a lesser country, she would have been booked much earlier and may well have gotten sent off for 2 yellow cards.

          • rkmid71

            Reluctance to issue cards is a reason a game degenerates — then the players have to take matters into their own hands. Forwards are not experts in defending. I wish you would inform JE and the YNT coaches. Why again does JE play Press in midfield. Or Horan at DM? Etc. Etc. I can’t stand when US fans, players or whoever whine about Canada, Sweden or other teams fouling — talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Better WoSo refs would help, but I’m not optimistic that will happen anytime soon. It goes all the way down to youth level — constant shirt pulling, dangerous tackles from behind, elbows and flailing arms to the throat and face, slamming into someone after they’ve already played the ball and are defenseless. I’ve witnessed punches thrown, players kicking someone in the back of the legs. Even players punched in the face when the girl thought ref wasn’t looking. I know it’s physical game, but it’s totally out of control. It’s basically win at all costs and players and coaches are losing perspective. Or is that what Anson Dorrance’s “competitive cauldron” is all about. What happened to respecting your opponent? There is only so much a referee can do. That way of playing is contributing to all the ACLs, concussions, broken bones, etc. Thank you. That’s my rant for the day. Btw — France will win if and when they get at least a few players willing to take on that bully mentality. I think Henry came to the US for that purpose. If I was them I’d try to send a few more before 2019,

          • Steglitz49

            Thank you.

            I can’t explain the phenomenon that is French WoSo but 2009, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2015 and now 2016 tell their stark and graphic herstory of abject failure and underachieving. A NT equivalent of Seattle or Press. All the fancy, finery and figure yet go home alone from the disco to a cold bed.

            The captains carry a lot of responsibility for a clean game but once the end justifies the means, anything seems to go. Refs are reluctant to show a card in the first 20 min so if you can get your harsh tackles and grabs in then, you might at most be spoken to, while you terrorize your opposite number.

            Women refs of WoSo must do it for the love of the game. Maybe that is why the standard is so different. Some leagues, like the Swedish, requires the centre ref to be female and want as many to be ladies too, but many WoSo leagues use male refs and one has to presume that top male refs referee male games. Maybe the Scandinavians have spotted a critical ingredient?

          • rkmid71
          • Steglitz49

            Indeed. Best of luck to her.

          • DNG

            I wasn’t singling out defenders I was talking about any player defending. That can be a midfielder, forward or a defender.

          • Steglitz49

            You were: “I think fouling happens by certain defenders” — what could be clearer?

          • DNG

            I wasn’t clear which is why I commented to clarify what I meant.

          • Steglitz49

            Alex Morgan has the the notches on her stick that justifies her megastar status. The other player does not.

            You make it sound like you are comparing Borg and McEnroe. You aren’t.

          • DNG

            I never claimed that Press was the more accomplished or effective player in every scenario. She’s not. I claimed that she is clearly the more technically proficient of the too and clearly better suited to a possession style offense that likes to build up their goals. Morgan is probably the better counter-attacking forward

          • Steglitz49

            Morgan is simply a better player. That is the harsh reality.

            Another way of putting that is, that if could only pick one of those two for your team, you would pick Alex independent of the circumstances.

            Whether Christen could achieved what Alex has, we will never know. That is tough cheese and the way the cookie crumbles. Both Borg and McEnroe has the records of the truly great. I contend that McEnroe was the greater player but not everyone would agree with me and few Swedes.

          • DNG

            No she isn’t and I’m not going to argue about it anymore. Morgan is incredibly overrated as a soccer player.

          • Steglitz49

            Your wrote that — “I think Press is pretty clearly better than Morgan technically in all areas except link up which I find them close to even in. That makes Press the superior technical player from my point of view even if I believed they were equal passers as well.” — The facts do not fit your contention.

            You are not comparing between McEnroe and Borg, not even between those two and Lendl but maybe you are comparing either of those two with Vilas or Ramirez.

            That does not mean that Christen could not have had a brilliant NT career had Alex not gotten there first but she has her WC winners medal to go with her Swedish Cup win to keep her warm at nights.

      • guest

        If you are considering Alex then you should consider adding Crystal Dunn in the conversation

        Dunn has 13 goals and 6 assists for USWNT (1344 minutes) and 4 goals and 5 assists for Washington Spirit and Spirit made it to the finals

        Alex Morgan has 15 goals 3 assists for USWNT (1414 minutes) and 4 goals and 1 assist for Orlando

        • rkmid71

          I have no problem adding Dunn to the conversation.You could have also mentioned that she acquitted herself extremely well in the OG … among our best, most dangerous attackers, certainly against the Swedes.I would also put her along with the other two above Lloyd.

          • Steglitz49

            Sweden only got one player in this shortlist so how on earth can you add Dunn, seeing that the list is already Dung.

          • rkmid71

            I was saying pick one of Morgan, Heath or Dunn — all more worthy than Lloyd.

          • Steglitz49

            Fair enough.

      • Steglitz49

        Alex looks like joining King Eric and Zlatan in that exclusive club — except they did not try body paint, as far as i know.

      • guest

        i guess hope solo wasn’t an option this year?

        • rkmid71

          Got a chuckle from that. I’d bet that those selectors thought about it and might have even had her on a preliminary list. I’d bet certain players are always under consideration no matter how badly they might have played that year (basically name recognition and they’re lazy).I think Lloyd is only on the list because she won it last year, almost entirely due to her 3 goals in 15 minutes in the WC final. Why else? Thee were several USWNT players more worthy if they wanted to include a US player.

          • Steglitz49

            The list stinks. There is no reason why the list could a) not be longer like 15 names, and b) be connected to and reflect reality.

      • htm222

        imo Heath and Press were the USWNT NWSL MVPs.

        • Steglitz49

          Maybe they could share the award?

    • Steglitz49

      With the new voting system she might well be POTY again.

      That Germany gets 3 players is not surprising but one would have expected at least 2 Swedes and how not just 1 but 2 French players can be in the list is beyond comprehension.

      • Ethan

        Abily and Henry both won the Champions League.

        • Claude

          So did Ada. Henry was not really a factor

          • Ethan

            I didn’t mention Hegerberg because she’s not French. Steglitz49 thought it was outrageous that 2 French players got on the list because France didn’t place well at the Olympics. Well, it’s not quite all about international football. If Lyon hadn’t won, I don’t think Abily or Kumugai get on the list, and I think there would have been a chance that Henry wouldn’t have been on the list.

            Henry adapted pretty well to arguably the most competitive league in the world; so, that probably helped get her on the shortlist.

          • Steglitz49

            The fact that you are not outraged but defend and justify this dung shows why WoSo does not hack it in the market place.

            The obvious absentees from this list are Hedvig Lindahl and Jessica Samuelsson. If you wanted a 3rd Swede to go with your 3 Germans, then there is Stina Blackstenius rather than Lotta.

            If Lyon is so important, why is Ada Hegerberg not on it?

          • Ethan

            You want WoSo to hack it in the market place? Don’t just judge things based on how a national team finishes in the Olympics/World Cup. I have no idea why Hegerberg isn’t on the list, but Kumugai being on the list indicates that decisions were at least somewhat based on club performances. (Japan wasn’t in the Olympics due to pretty sub standard play in qualifying.) More and more weight being given to women’s club football will be a sign of WoSo hacking it in the market place.

          • Steglitz49

            Hedvig Lindahl had to be in that list. You know it. You fail to state it. How on earth?

            3 Germans are justified and the ones chosen are proper. A 2nd Swede would likewise be acceptable. Also, rather than Lotta, Jessica Samuelsson ought to be in the list.

            I would get rid of booth the French players and I would also put out Kumagai. Japan failed to qualify for the OG. That must carry a price tag.

            Däbritz would be a fine winner but I expect DZ to take it. Marta will be one of the 3 in Zurich as probably Lloyd too.

          • Ethan

            I don’t state it because I’ve been very unimpressed by Lindahl over the years. I thought she was phenomenal against the US and Brazil, but then she was back to the form I’ve associated her with against Germany. If she played like she did against US and Brazil for Chelsea, then she deserved to be on the shortlist. However, if she played like she did against Germany for Chelsea, then there’s no way she should have been on the shortlist. A two match performance streak doesn’t justify a place in the top 10 list on its own.

          • Steglitz49

            The title of the award is the Player of the YEAR. The year is 2016. Live with it.

          • Claude

            Don’t understand the argument with 3 Swedes vs 3 Germans. Germany won olympics not Sweden.
            .
            Do you want also various Wolfsburg players on the short list since they made it to the CL final?
            .
            Lindahl should be on the list. Having Schelin on the list is a joke

          • Steglitz49

            I threw in the = between the numbers of Germans and Swedes as a bit of hyperbole and absurdity to highlight how outrageous the list is.

            We can agree that there ought to be 2 Swedes on that list Hedwig Lindahl and A N Other, who could be either Samuelsson or Blackstenius. Ada Hegerberg is another outrage.

            As I typed elsewhere, who cares about 5m Norwegians and 10m Swedes? FIFA have shown that they don’t.

          • HOFCToDi

            Frauen Bundesliga 2016/2017 Attendance

            worldfootball.net/attendance/frauen-bundesliga-2016-2017/1/

            Simply pathetic.

          • Steglitz49

            The Teutonic lasses won OG-16 by defeating the Turnips Utd by an own goal. The US bombed out long before that. Bomb! Bomb!! Bombi-bit and I!

          • HOFCToDi

            youtube.com/watch?v=3OQH-VmHyZQ

            How many stars on the SWE women’s national football team kit?

          • HOFCToDi

            FA WSL 2016 Attendance

            us.women.soccerway.com/national/england/wsl/2016/regular-season/r34382/

            Average attendance – 1096

            Simply pathetic.

          • Steglitz49

            FA women’s Cup — 33,000 — at Wembley — please remind us about the NWSL Championship final

          • Claude

            I got your point on the French
            .
            I have no issues with having two French on the list if it would be for the CL. So I agree with you that the argument of Steglitz is weak
            .
            But, I still think Henry should not be on the list (not causse she is French). I simply don’t think that she contributed much to the CL victory and I think that Ada contributed much, much more.
            .
            But hey since Henry plays in the NWSL there is a lot of Hype about her. So I guess that’s the reason why

          • Steglitz49

            315m Americans are worth for FIFA to court and 60m French are not too bad a market either. 145m Japanese have to be satisfied too.

            3 Germans and 1 Swede, 1 Brazilian and 1 Canadian seems a bit lopsided.
            The simplest Swede to add is Hedvig Lindahl and you could argue that Jessica Samuelsson makes more sense than Lotta.

          • HOFCToDi

            Nobody gives a damn about Sweden.

            UEFA Euro 2016
            Group E

            en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Euro_2016#Group_E

          • Steglitz49

            WoSo, not BroSo.

            Lagerbäck rules OK. Volcanos gets it done.

          • HOFCToDi

            youtube.com/watch?v=GAaBbFfv5HA

            SWE failed to qualify for the 2014 FIFA World Cup.

    • NYRick

      There truly isn’t an objective WoSo press/or really a knowledgable press that can adequately evaluate these players (in the US and abroad). So they take the lazy route and go by name commodities. It’s a joke. Wouldn’t surprise me in the least if Lloyd won again.

      • mockmook

        This isn’t just the press.

        • Steglitz49

          It is mainly.

      • Steglitz49

        The fact that Hedvig Lindahl is not on the list tells you more than we would like to know.

    • guest

      especially when you factor in her dash club team didn’t make the league playoffs and she missed alot of club games due to injury, olympics and personal reaons. just hilarious selection.

  • Nild

    Why are people surprised? I thought it was known that the high ups over there at FIFA pick mostly the same players every year.

    I was hoping to see Ada and Heath. But oh well.

    • Steglitz49

      Ada, yes. Hedvig, more than OK!! Samuelsson or Blackstenius deserving.

      Various failures — no place.

      Hope that either Däbritz or DZ can win it. Worst scenario? Lloyd and some French good-for-nothing-layabout.

      • Som Termanni

        Blackstenius says she has offers from three different leagues, and is open about Linköping trying to keep her but being unable to match offers financially. Few details, and no word on which leagues/teams are interested: http://www.fotbollskanalen.se/lundhs-podcast/kontraktslos-blackstenius-om-alla-anbud-svart-beslut-/ If she leaves Damallsvenskan for Bundesliga, D1F, or WSL, or (however unlikely) the NWSL, does that raise her profile enough?

        • Steglitz49

          Your question does not excuse FIFA’s dung!

          Ewa Pajor made the mistake of joining Wolfsburg. Maybe Stina should join Boston or Montpellier?

    • Arcie Tillydee

      It’s basically the “Name Recognition Sweepstakes.” I mean, Lloyd? Really? For 2016? Pure comedy gold.

      • Steglitz49

        It adds to WoSo’s uphill struggle in the market place. If WoSo can’t get a more appropriate shortlist, why bother to watch them piss around?

  • Steglitz49

    An outrageous list that does FIFA no credit.

    How can there be 2 French players in this list? Bizarre. Do a WR!

    • Tom F

      why Lindahl is not on the list? Winning 2 straight shut outs you would think would count for something
      if you go by best player/ or who would be my first choice if picking sides, I’ll go with Marozsan. But she’s got two other Germans to compete against, so I probably going with Sinclair, since her Canadian NT was the biggest surprise at the Olynpics

      • Steglitz49

        Thank you. Sweden was a bigger surprise than Canada not least after the group stage.

        The answer is obvious. 5m Norwegians and 9m Swedes do not count, while Canada is 35 m and France 60m, Germany 85, Japan 145m and USA 315m.

        Sweden got screwed before WC-15 and are screwed now.

        • HOFCToDi

          Nobody gives a damn about Sweden.

          2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
          GER 4 SWE 1

          fifa.com/womensworldcup/matches/round=268032/match=300269469/index.html

          resources.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/02/65/17/36/eng_39_0620_ger-swe_fulltime.pdf

          • Steglitz49

            Bomb in Brasilia aka Miracle on Ice is 2016, which we are voting about. Why is there even one American in this short list? Donkeys.

          • HOFCToDi

            SWE failed to qualify for the 2014 FIFA World Cup!

            BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

            SWE failed to qualify for the 2010 FIFA World Cup!

            BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

          • HOFCToDi

            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
            GER 4 SWE 1

            resources.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/02/65/17/36/eng_39_0620_ger-swe_fulltime.pdf

            Read the match report.

      • Lorehead

        The way people vote, Marozsán.probably takes the trophy as a goalscorer who won Olympic gold, the UEFA CL and her league. She’s a worthy choice.

        • Steglitz49

          I root for Däbritz but DZ probably gets it.

          Mind you, with the new system both Carli and Marta could get it!

        • Ethan

          She had nothing to do with the CL or league win. But then again, will everyone know that? So, you may be right.

          • Steglitz49

            DZ scored the first goal in the OG final and I think it was her shot that the Swedish defender deflected into her own net. Germany won the gold by that own goal.

  • Chak Khan

    Besides getting the awards, the fame and a legion of adoring fans, is there any monetary value attached to these awards?

    • Steglitz49

      Justice and truth.

      Love of the game.

      Honor the heroines and deserving.

      • Chak Khan

        Only in woso?

  • Steglitz49

    51 comments, 52 with htis. What better reason do we need to understand why WoSo does not make it in the market place?

    How about some justice, truth and recognition of excellence?

    • Steglitz49

      After another 20 h or so, we are at 125 comments. Yippee!

  • Bruce

    Unrelated – I think that all of the announcements on excelle sports and club sites about W-League games being shown in ESPN3 are either partially or totally incorrect.

    Search the ESPN3 program guide and you find two A-League (mens) games per week, but no listings for W-League matches. I’d expect the televised W-League games would be double-headers with the men, but doubt that they would not earn a separate listing.

    http://www.espn.com/watchespn/#type/upcoming/channel/espn3/sport/soccer-futbol/startDate/20161107/search/W League/

    • mockmook
      • DNG

        I wonder if that espn deal is regional and only australian cable subscribers can get access to it. Both websites you linked are AU web addresses.

        • mockmook

          The players and the coaches appear to be under the impression that it will come to the USA.

          The league is re-tweeting the ESPN3 “news”, but doesn’t have it’s own announcement. This is very strange.

          • DNG

            I agree that it’s strange but I guess I’m not really surprised that this miscommunication exists.

        • mockmook

          It’s like the NWSL front office is running the W-League also…

      • Nicole C.

        I saw the steams on ESPN 3 and briefly wondered if they could be for the W-League, but it looked too good to be true.

        OT: How many teams from each conference playoffs go to the national tournament? Penn State is done because they went out in the QF, right?

        • mockmook

          “I saw the steams on ESPN 3 and briefly wondered if they could be for the W-League”

          You didn’t see streams, right? You saw articles about streams, didn’t you?

          “How many teams from each conference playoffs go to the national tournament?”

          I believe certain conference champs get an automatic bid. But, theoretically, an “infinite” number of teams from a conference can go to the tournament based on their records and rankings.

          PSU will get in.

          • Nicole C.

            I saw the A-League streams on ESPN3 (they aren’t labeled “A-League”- just with club names) and thought they were for the W-League.
            It’s possible the media did the same, but it’s weird the league hasn’t clarified anything.

          • mockmook

            Thanks!!!

          • Som Termanni

            Woso media didn’t do any research or reporting on reality, they just parroted W-League press releases claiming ESPN3–a website/app that isn’t on television–would “broadcast W-League games on television”. When they remembered ESPN3 isn’t on TV, they backtracked. Then when they remembered that “will air W-League games” didn’t mean “will show every W-League game”, they backtracked. Now that ESPN3 doesn’t even appear to have the games on the schedule, I imagine they’ll keep backtracking until someone does some actual reporting on the subject.

          • mockmook

            “they just parroted W-League press releases”

            Can you provide a link to any W-League press release that says that? As far as I can tell, the League didn’t “officially” announce anything.

            But, suppose they did parrot it: Isn’t the League itself the best source for such info? Why wouldn’t you believe a typical league announcement?

          • Som Termanni

            Is it a enough of a “press release” for you when the FFA’s chief executive and the women’s national team’s manager both announce it to a room of journalists, as reported by one of the broadcast outlets holding the Australian license? http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-11-02/w-league-broadcasting-indicative-of-progress-women%27s-sport/7986126

            > The launch of the 2016/17 season was as professional as you can get. The room was packed with journos and sporting officials genuinely enthusiastic about promoting the upcoming season.

            > In his opening speech, chief executive David Gallop described it as a “lightbulb moment”.

            > “Sports have realised that the women’s game shouldn’t be regarded as a silo, off to the side of the men’s game,” he said.

            > The most significant announcement was that American sports broadcaster ESPN 3 will televise live W-League games in the USA.

            > “To hear such a massive worldwide broadcaster come on board is such a boost for the game,” Matildas coach Alen Stajcic said.

            > His initial reaction to the news was that it was “shocking, but in a very good way”.

            > “To think there’s a level of interest in America to watch the league is brilliant for our code.”

            It’s not like this is Dan Lauletta pulling the news out of his ass, even if it seems like nobody informed ESPN3 to flip the switch on the streams before buggering off for the weekend.

          • Steglitz49

            Thank you.

          • mockmook

            Yes, I quoted that report here a day ago:

            http://disq.us/p/1dcfhf6

            But, you notice they didn’t quote a W-League official, and that’s what I was searching for. You finally provided that in your other comment.

            Even the W-League itself didn’t put up the video of Gallops’s remarks, nor quote him regarding ESPN3 — heck, they never officially even acknowledged ESPN3 (except in your “hidden” video).

          • Som Termanni

            Just in case you still don’t believe it, here’s the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIgUxMDH0b8

            I’ll even hold your hand and tell you the minute and second of the announcement: 6:20.

          • mockmook

            Thank You!!!
            (BTW, weren’t you the one who said everything should be verified?)

    • Lorehead

      It’s very difficult for me to understand how the entire press and league could’ve gotten the impression that they had a signed deal, and be wrong. That said, Brisbane is playing Sydney today and I see nothing about it on ESPN3.

  • Lorehead

    Amandine Henry had successful groin surgery yesterday. Hope she gets well soon!

  • NYRick

    Lloyd? Wow. Must have been that stellar season she had for Houston that helped get her on the list.

    And S49 wonders why people don’t WoSo seriously.

    • htm222

      to be fair, I believe she and Morgan are the top scorers for the USWNT per minute. But I agree, she doesn’t deserve to be on this list. Heath should be on it, IMO. And where’s Ada? And maybe Lindahl?

      Honestly I’d like to see Sinc take this one, if for no other reason than as a lifetime achievement award and captaining her NT to a better position than anyone expected, since that’s what these things seem to be.

      • guest

        that’s true. lloyd and morgan had strong years scoring against tomato can teams.

        • Lorehead

          If you really cared about the quality of the opponents they scored against, you would have looked them up and seen that wasn’t true.

          • DNG

            Morgan performed well numbers wise against good teams this year. Lloyd scored a lot of goals against teams that weren’t very good though. The only goal Lloyd scored against a top team was France at the Olympics. I guess NZ, SUI and NED could be considered pretty good but the rest really weren’t. 12 of Lloyd’s 17 goals were against teams that just weren’t very good and she looked really bad all around from February until she came back from injury prior to the Olympics.

          • Steglitz49

            Alex is one of the very best players in the world and has been for the past 5 years or so (except the year she was plagued with injuries).

            As for Alex’s position in the firmament of soccer, comparing her to current male top players, she is probably closer to Zlatan than CR7 though her earning power among female players puts more similar to CR7.

            Is it known how much Alex is worth? $10m? More?

          • Steglitz49

            The reason that Lindahl is not on the list is that it is highly likely she would win the vote.

            Elsewhere I see you favour DZ. I prefer Däbritz but I suspect you will will get done. Behringer may get it too. Marta and Carli are also possibles.

        • Tiggybeaar

          wrong ^

        • Guest

          Morgan scored against Germany, France, Sweden, NZ……..

    • Steglitz49

      Thank you.

      There must be a reason that Hedvig Lindahl is not in that list. Is it that she would walk away with the votes? Or, is it that she is openly gay and has had a baby?

    • HOFCToDi

      CONCACAF World Cup qualification on the women’s side is a joke especially when compared to the men’s side.

      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_FIFA_World_Cup_qualification_%E2%80%93_CONCACAF_Fourth_Round

      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_FIFA_World_Cup_qualification_%E2%80%93_CONCACAF_Fifth_Round

  • HOFCToDi

    Major Link Soccer: EPL viewership way down in 2016

    sounderatheart.com/2016/10/18/13311728/epl-frank-mccourt-kat-williamson-seattle-schmetzer-whitecaps-mallet

    Ken Early: you can watch nothing and yet miss nothing

    irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/english-soccer/ken-early-you-can-watch-nothing-and-yet-miss-nothing-1.2832070

    TV ratings for live Premier League games have seen a 19% fall year-on-year

  • Steglitz49

    Melanie Leupolz has torn her medial lateral ligament in her (right) knee and will be out for a long time. She may not be fit for Euro-17. Melanie is only 22 and was a key player in OG-16.

    The injury rate and severity in the German Ladies league is unusually high.

  • dw

    The joke’s on us. Marta wins.

    • Steglitz49

      She may well.

      It would be ironic in the extreme if in the year that Umeå is relegated from Damallsvenskan Marta was to win her 6th POTY or even just be one of the top 3.

  • x

    Aww, Lindahl should’ve made the 10-list.