Veterans return to USWNT; Edmonds gets first call-up

Jeff Kassouf October 27, 2016 677
Alex Morgan is back with the USWNT after getting a rest in October. (Photo Copyright Patricia Giobetti for The Equalizer)

Alex Morgan is back with the USWNT after getting a rest in October. (Photo Copyright Patricia Giobetti for The Equalizer)

Veterans Julie Johnston, Meghan Klingenberg, Ali Krieger, Megan Rapinoe and Alex Morgan return to the United States women’s national team for a pair of friendlies in November against Romania.

U.S. coach Jill Ellis named her roster for the matches on Thursday, and it saw the continued blend of established names with new call-ups who got their first taste of the international level earlier this month. In addition, Orlando Pride midfielder Kristen Edmonds earns her first call up after tallying six goals and two assists in a breakout 2016 NWSL campaign.

Ellis called in 11 uncapped players for the United States’ pair of October friendlies against Switzerland, and she handed out first-time caps to six of those players. Of the six, five return: forwards Lynn Williams and Kealia Ohai, defenders Casey Short and Abby Dahlkemper and midfielder Andi Sullivan. Williams and Ohai each broke the U.S. record for fastest goal in a debut, with Williams scoring 49 seconds into her first cap before Ohai — four days later — scored 48 seconds into her introduction.

“Our last training camp and games with Switzerland were extremely positive in regards to giving new players a chance to perform, continuing the process of deepening the player pool and fostering competition within the squad,” said Ellis. “With this dynamic mix of players, we are looking forward to the environment and to finishing off the year on a winning note.”

[MORE: Ellis discusses Heath’s style vs. productivity, new call-ups and more]

Rapinoe’s return brings her back into the U.S. national team fold for the first time since September, when she attracted international attention by kneeling during the national anthem in an act of solitude. She has since said that she plans to continue kneeling.

Portland Thorns goalkeeper Adrianna Franch, who has been in camp before but remains uncapped, was also called up.

U.S. co-captain Carli Lloyd will miss the two matches for her wedding.

The U.S. women will play Romania on Nov. 10 at Avaya Stadium in San Jose, Calif. (10 p.m. ET on ESPN2) and Nov. 13 at StubHub Center in Carson, Calif. (9:30 p.m. ET on FS1).

[MORE: Tobin Heath still making the most of her opportunities with USWNT]

Full USWNT roster for November

GOALKEEPERS (3): Adrianna Franch (Portland Thorns FC), Ashlyn Harris (Orlando Pride), Alyssa Naeher (Chicago Red Stars)

DEFENDERS (8): Abby Dahlkemper (Western New York Flash), Jaelene Hinkle (Western New York Flash), Julie Johnston (Chicago Red Stars), Meghan Klingenberg (Portland Thorns FC), Ali Krieger (Washington Spirit), Kelley O’Hara (Sky Blue FC), Becky Sauerbrunn (FC Kansas City), Casey Short (Chicago Red Stars)

MIDFIELDERS (8): Morgan Brian (Houston Dash), Kristen Edmonds (Orlando Pride), Tobin Heath (Portland Thorns FC), Lindsey Horan (Portland Thorns FC), Allie Long (Portland Thorns FC), Samantha Mewis (Western New York Flash), Megan Rapinoe (Seattle Reign), Andi Sullivan (Stanford)

FORWARDS (5): Crystal Dunn (Washington Spirit), Alex Morgan (Orlando Pride), Kealia Ohai (Houston Dash), Christen Press (Chicago Red Stars), Lynn Williams (Western New York Flash)

  • Chak Khan

    Sunny is back! YES!!!

  • anon

    interesting Sullivan called up but not Campbell. There is a conspiracy theory that JE is trying to sabotage Stanford because Paul Ratcliffe has been eyed for her job and probably deserves it more

    • guest

      hofctodi and steglitz49 would go nuts, because Press would be the new starting forward playing 90 every game.

      • Don’t hate me

        You really think Press will start instead of others?

        • guest

          with Ratcliffe (and honestly a lot of other coaches not named Ellis?) yes. Ratcliffe is a superfan of hers, still talks about how she is the best player he has ever seen.

          • Don’t hate me

            Agree, has Jill ever played Morgan up top with Press? OR did she and it just didn’t work out? Seems like all the forward can be dangerous

          • Steglitz49

            Your second question is your answer, probably.

          • Paul Klee

            Maybe as a complete surprise Morgan will be starting as Centerback.

          • Steglitz49

            Morgan Brian, I presume.

          • Som Termanni

            You jest, but I’d bet that Edmonds, rostered as a defender with the Pride, might also see time as a Long-style CB/CDM/”quarterback”.

          • JL

            Edmonds played 2 seasons as an OB for WNY.

          • mockmook

            Nay, one person learning the CB position is enough even for JE.

            She will continue with Dahlkemper (and perhaps also use Krieger) as Long’s relief/competition in this camp.

          • guest

            She has experimented briefly when Lloyd was out. Not enough to get a good feel for it, but they looked good against Japan in the last friendly (the second one when they played up top together)

          • Don’t hate me

            Yeah they did play well, maybe they will get a chance these friendlies because lloyd isn’t there

          • Steglitz49

            Both goals were off-side and the match was abandoned because of inclement weather.

          • HOFCToDi

            Christen Press

            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
            Knockout Stage (COL, CHN, GER, JPN) – 0 goals scored

            2015 International Women’s Friendlies
            21 Oct 2015, 25 Oct 2015 (BRA) – 0 goals scored

            2016 CONCACAF Women’s Olympic Qualifying
            Knockout Stage (TRI, CAN) – 0 goals scored

            2016 SheBelieves Cup
            Group Stage (ENG, FRA, GER) – 0 goals scored

            2016 International Women’s Friendlies
            2 Jun 2016, 5 Jun 2016 (JPN) – 0 goals scored

            Not one assist in the 13 aforementioned matches either.

          • HOFCToDi

            Always Alex, never Christen …..

            youtube.com/watch?v=2GpP40d48mg

            youtube.com/watch?v=imV9scuMnb8

            youtube.com/watch?v=l39oU-6xyoY

          • HOFCToDi

            Sydney Leroux has scored more goals versus Japan than Christen Press.

            youtube.com/watch?v=wnfdv4XxK50

          • HOFCToDi

            The “Press Gang Troll Brigade” must be reminded of the inadequacies of Christen Press on a daily basis.

            Christen Press
            International Women’s Friendly
            5 Jun 2016
            USA 2 JPN 0
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots 2, Shots on Goal 1

            foxsports.com/soccer/boxscore?id=26862

            Christen Press
            International Women’s Friendly
            2 Jun 2016
            USA 3 JPN 3
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots 2, Shots on Goal 0

            foxsports.com/soccer/boxscore?id=26754

            The “Press Gang Troll Brigade” can’t even blame Carli Lloyd for the MISERABLE production! ROFLMAO!

          • HOFCToDi

            You don’t have a clue what you are talking about.

            youtube.com/watch?v=fDauPadTV_E

            A laundry list of “inadequacies” from Christen Press in the first half of the second international women’s friendly versus Japan (05 June 2016).

            03:21 DM3C Sideways Pass Incorrect/Incomplete
            07:51 AM3R Challenged/Dispossessed
            10:14 A18 Offside
            12:23 DM3L Challenged/Dispossessed
            15:03 AM3L Forwards Pass Incorrect/Incomplete
            20:30 A3C Challenged/Dispossessed
            24:46 DM3R Forwards Pass Incorrect/Incomplete
            43:08 A18 Sideways Pass Incorrect/Incomplete

            github.com/amj2012/wosostats/blob/master/resources/how-to-log-location.md

            A first half performance worthy of a seat on the bench.

          • brdn08

            Can’t argue with facts

          • guest

            yes, we know. sauerbrunn is the greatest CB in the world.

          • brdn08

            I concur.

          • Steglitz49

            The Swedes might not agree with your assessment but were no doubt grateful in Brasilia.

          • brdn08

            Who would the Swedes say is a better center back? Definitely not Nilla she’s been far from world class.

          • Steglitz49

            Odd as it may seem, against the US Sweden started with a 3-4-3 formation. The backline was Sembrant, Fischer and Samuelsson. The next lot were Dahlkvist (she of the incisive pass and PK), Asllani, Rubensson and Seger.

            Against Brazil, Sweden played 3-5-2, that is slightly more defensive than against the US. Emma Appelqvist was the 5th MF. In the final Sweden went back to 3-4-3.

            In all matches the backline was the same: Sembrant, Fischer and Samuelsson.

          • HOFCToDi

            U.S. Soccer Female Player of the Year Award

            ussoccer.com/about/history/awards/player-of-the-year

            cdn-us-ec.yottaa.net/5682eca20b534438800014b5/www.ussoccer.com/v~13.1d/~/media/images/wnt/gallery-images/2015/12/151215-wnt-v-chn-nola/lloyd-poty.jpg?h=400&w=800&la=en&hash=6D3DC6313F0FEC58ABBA8B66D0444E73A7CF3238&yocs=6_b_&yoloc=us

            ussoccer.com/stories/2015/12/17/01/30/151216-wnt-carli-lloyd-named-2015-us-soccer-female-player-of-the-year

            By the way, Christen Press is not on the list.

          • brdn08

            Shocking (note my sarcasm)……she was fools’ gold from the very beginning. Pressure makes her………………………disappear.

          • HOFCToDi

            When the going gets tough, CP23 folds like a cheap tent.

            Christen Press
            2016 Summer Olympic Games
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 6, Shots on Goal 1
            Penalty Kicks Attempted 1, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

            Christen Press
            2016 SheBelieves Cup
            Goals 0, Assists 0

            Christen Press
            2016 CONCACAF Women’s Olympic Qualifying
            Knockout Stage
            Goals 0, Assists 0

          • RayRay

            You are amazing and really insightful! I hope you are having a good day. Thanks again 🙂

          • HOFCToDi

            Alex Morgan was already a WINNER at the age of 19.

            youtube.com/watch?v=PacY7Enz9hQ

            2008 Goal of the Year declared

            fifa.com/theclub/news/newsid=999807/index.html

            USA striker Alex Morgan’s 42nd-minute winner against Korea in the final of the FIFA U-20 Women’s World Cup Chile 2008 is rated as the second best goal of the year. Morgan walked away with the Adidas Silver Ball and Bronze Shoe awards for her four goals and stellar performance at the tournament.

          • brdn08

            Who is this Alex Morgan of which you speak?……..the woman that saved Pia Sundhage’s job in 2010, or is she the forward that stole the show at the 2011 WWC only to have it ruined by the ridiculously awful defending of Buehler and Lep , or how about that brunette #13 that saved the US at Algarve in 2013. Maybe you’re talking about that player still recovering from injury in 2014 that turned up and saved the USWNT’s home unbeaten streak by equalizing twice against France’s vaunted CBs Laura Georges and Wendi Renard……it couldnt be the same Alex Morgan that created the penalty against Germany and turned Japan’s back line into a raging dumpster fire at WWC 2015……….. Oh wait, did I forget that game winning header against Canada and the assist to open the scoring in the Olympic 2012 final…. oh yeah they’re all the same person. #Morganislegend #respectit

          • HOFCToDi

            According to the “Press Gang Troll Brigade”:

            Tournaments do not matter:

            en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_Women%27s_World_Rankings#Importance_of_the_match

            Neither do matches vs Top 10 FIFA Ranked opponents:

            en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_Women%27s_World_Rankings#Importance_of_the_match

          • brdn08

            The way people talk about Press on this website you’d think she was dominating competition. Fun fact, even Tobin has more goals against top ten Fifa opponents. Which is kind of pathetic.

          • HOFCToDi

            Carli Lloyd – U.S. Soccer Hall of Fame
            Alex Morgan – international superstar
            Christen Press – international fraud

          • mockmook

            “Which is kind of pathetic.”

            Except, it’s really not — that is, unless you count the way JE uses Press as “pathetic”.

          • HOFCToDi

            FIFA Top Ten Ranked Opponents
            USWNT Assists Provided
            Pugh (DOB 29 April 1998) – 3
            Press (DOB 29 Dec 1988) – 1

            youtube.com/watch?v=pIv3SRaxkgc

            youtube.com/watch?v=2P6YY74wczg

            youtube.com/watch?v=2GpP40d48mg

          • HOFCToDi

            Christen Press has yet to score against a FIFA Top Twelve Ranked opponent in calendar year 2016.

            fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/women/index.html

            2016 Calendar Year
            Christen Press
            Goals Scored
            CRC, PUR, COL, COL, CRC, THA, SUI, SUI

            en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_FIFA_country_codes

          • HOFCToDi

            Christen Press
            USWNT
            Assists Provided
            2013 Algarve Cup – 0
            2014 Algarve Cup – 0
            2015 Algarve Cup – 1
            2016 SheBelieves Cup – 0

            2014 CONCACAF Women’s Championship – 1
            2015 CONCACAF Women’s Olympic Qualifying – 1

            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup – 0
            2016 Rio Olympics – 0

            Match: U.S. Women’s National Team vs. Puerto Rico
            Date: Feb. 15, 2016
            Competition: 2016 CONCACAF Women’s Olympic Qualifying – Group A

            ussoccer.com/womens-national-team/tournaments/2016-concacaf-womens-olympic-qualifying-championship/160215-wnt-v-pur#tab-1

            PUR – #108

            fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/women/rank=552/concacaf.html

            Match: U.S. Women’s National Team vs. Haiti
            Date: Oct. 20, 2014
            Competition: 2014 CONCACAF Women’s Championship

            ussoccer.com/womens-national-team/tournaments/2014-concacaf-womens-championship/141020-wntvhai#tab-1

            HAI – #60

            fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/women/rank=547/concacaf.html

          • WosoFan11

            Lol, I have to admit every time I read one of your Christen Press tirades it makes me like her even more…

          • HOFCToDi

            Enjoy the ZEROS:

            Christen Press
            2016 Summer Olympic Games
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 6, Shots on Goal 1
            Penalty Kicks Attempted 1, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

            Christen Press
            2016 SheBelieves Cup
            Goals 0, Assists 0

            Christen Press
            2016 CONCACAF Women’s Olympic Qualifying
            Knockout Stage
            Goals 0, Assists 0

          • WosoFan11

            Haha, you crack me up. I enjoyed the zeros, thank you! Very round.

          • Steglitz49

            Facts are sacred; opinion is free.

          • HOFCToDi

            Always Alex, never Christen …………………….

            youtube.com/watch?v=zN8lBGxk7Iw

            youtube.com/watch?v=KHCa3M5gZfo

            youtube.com/watch?v=wpPUPUCqOI8

          • brdn08

            This is not a coincidence.

          • RayRay

            Carli is awesome!

          • Steglitz49

            But she was Goalscoring Queen in Sweden in 2013 and she was 2nd in 2012 with a team with many fewer stars.

            Oddly enough, in the less well endowed team, Christen was brighter star. May speak to the coach?

          • HOFCToDi

            You don’t have a clue what you are talking about.

            youtube.com/watch?v=fDauPadTV_E

            Enlighten us all to one completed pass from Christen Press to Alex Morgan in the first half of the second international women’s friendly versus Japan (05 June 2016). Please provide the match time stamp, location on the pitch where the pass originated, direction of the pass (forwards, sideways, backwards).

            github.com/amj2012/wosostats/blob/master/resources/how-to-log-location.md

          • Steglitz49

            Why bring up that 2nd match? Both “goals” were offside and the match was abandonned.

          • HOFCToDi

            Poor Pressie Pooh! No individual international awards for you!

            Sunday, 21 Feb 2016
            TSG announces CWOQ Best XI, Awards
            ussoccer.com/v~13.17/~/media/images/wnt/gallery-images/2016/02/160221-wnt-v-can/photo-gallery/160221-wnt-vs-can-photo-gallery19.jpg?h=600&w=786&la=en&hash=BF5ABEEA5BE7034EF13FA4F320F9E7BB8E549331&yocs=6_&yoloc=us

            concacaf.com/article/tsg-announces-cwoq-best-xi-awards

            By the way, Christen Press is not on the list.

            ROFLMAO!

          • HOFCToDi

            Poor Pressie Pooh! No individual international awards for you!

            Friday, 11 Mar 2016
            Morgan, Solo and the USA Sweep Awards at 2016 SBC
            ussoccer.com/v~13.17/~/media/images/wnt/gallery-images/2016/03/160309-wnt-v-ger/160309-wnt-vs-ger-gallery20.jpg?h=559&w=800&la=en&hash=B1A7B6E0C01C796F4C31CF422F0CC370A4D5CF89&yocs=6_&yoloc=us

            ussoccer.com/stories/2016/03/11/13/17/160311-wnt-morgan-solo-and-the-usa-sweep-awards-at-2016-shebelieves-cup

            By the way, Christen Press is not on the list.

            ROFLMAO!

          • mockmook

            I’m not going to block you because I disagree with you — though I usually do.

            I’m not going to block you because you are obnoxious — though you are.

            I’m going to make you the first (and hopefully the only) person that I block because you are making threads unviewable with all your spam.

            BTW, you are doing a great disservice as a guest of the EQ by continually abusing their service of providing this forum. But, I know you won’t care, because you have made this all about you.

          • JL

            My late father had the perfect solution for spam- use it as fish bait.

          • HOFCToDi

            Every time you visit drawformation.com, you waste precious storage space.

            Every time you log on to the internet, you waste precious bandwidth.

          • Steglitz49

            Don’t block other writers.

          • mockmook

            He’s a spammer, not a writer.

          • WosoFan11

            Truth.

          • Steglitz49

            He can be quite lucid at times but the Pressgang press his buttons and gets his goat.

          • mockmook

            BS — any mention of Press (no matter how innocuous, no matter how brief) sets off his tirade/spam

          • guest

            you really need a quantum computer with the linkmaster around.

          • HOFCToDi

            If you call honoring the careers of Carli Lloyd and Alex Morgan spam, that makes you a blithering idiot, a clueless moron, and a worthless troll.

            Just for you, enjoy the ZEROS:

            Christen Press
            2016 Summer Olympic Games
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 6, Shots on Goal 1
            Penalty Kicks Attempted 1, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

            Christen Press
            2016 SheBelieves Cup
            Goals 0, Assists 0

            Christen Press
            2016 CONCACAF Women’s Olympic Qualifying
            Knockout Stage
            Goals 0, Assists 0

          • RayRay

            Thanks for posting HOFCToDi – your thoughts are really awesome and insightful! They bring a smile to my day 🙂

          • mockmook

            Get a room…

          • Rory Dames as well.

        • anon

          Possibly not under Ellis depending on how things shake out over the next couple of years, but under pretty much any other coach I think she would be playing in tandem with Alex for the bulk of every game.

          • Steglitz49

            Unlikely but never say never.

          • Craigaroo

            “Pretty much any other coach”? Like Tom Sermanni? PIa Sundhage? Is it a constant theme of the coach-commentator class at least? DiCicco, Foudy, Markgraf, etc?
            ¶ I don’t think it’s an absurd idea by any means, myself.But there’s at least a good possibility that Ellis isn’t singularly blind or obtuse about it either.

        • Paul Klee

          I don’t think Press will start unless it is at CAM. I think her and Jill Ellis had an agreement that she would play every match but not necessarily that many minutes, so far that is how it has worked this year.

          • kernel_thai

            I predict

            …………Morgan……..Press
            …………………..Dunn
            Klingenberg………………………Heath
            ……………Brian………..Sullivan
            Sauerbrunn…Long…Johnston

            subs during second half

            …………Morgan……..Williams
            …………………..Horan
            Ohai……………………………….O’Hara
            ……………Mewis………..Sullivan
            Short…..Long…Johnston

          • Paul Klee

            I predict that Becky, Long and Johnston will all be wearing the blonde broon braids. This of course will necessitate Dahlkemper being the second half sub instead of Short. Cause Ellis does love her blonde center backs. Your prediction was so close though.

          • guest

            Three blond backs? We could dub them the Valkyries. Don’t forget Dahlkemper and her vertical ponytail. Let’s see Blacksteinius get past them!

          • mockmook

            I’d hope they would look more towards the future with the starters:

            http://drawformation.com/post/5813d81718918/sm-5813d81718918.png

            (but I know they won’t)

        • guest

          only if the starting criteria is based on performance.

    • JL

      Or it could be a bit of payback for his players all saying no to the U-20s.

      • Steglitz49

        Clubs in Europe are refusing to release players for the U20 WC because it collides with the Champions League round.

    • another guest

      re conspiracy theory …
      in the past a number of other USWNT players (for example Alex Morgan, Crystal Dunn, Morgan Brian etc) got uswnt call-ups during NCAA season and had to balance USWNT camps/matches with their college teams NCAA matches. My read is that Sullivan has performed well (so far) at USWNT level so not surprised that Ellis continues to give her call-ups and opportunities. My guess would be that her Stanford coach Ratcliffe is supportive and happy that Sullivan is getting the USWNT opportunities. The two Nov USWNT friendlies (on 10 & 13 of Nov) do conflict with 1st round NCAA matches but Stanford (with Campbell in goal) should still win and they will then have both Sullivan and Campbell for the following NCAA tournament matches.

      Media reports indicate that Ellis also already informed Campbell that she would receive additional call-ups (and since Campbell as GK is perhaps? more critical to preventing Stanford from 1st round NCAA loss) so my guess would be those call-ups for Campbell likely occur for the January camp.

      • kernel_thai

        The counter argument to that is did Brian, Morgan or Dunn wins a title despite balancing NT and college…the answer is no. The only one that was acceptable to me was CONCACAF WC qualifier. Other than that I would have preferred they stay in school rather than play meaningless friendlies during college season.

    • kernel_thai

      Great, another coach who recruits all-star teams but doesnt win the big one. Who does that remind me of?

      • JL

        Stanford won in 2011.

        • kernel_thai

          Yep…he somehow had three Herman award winners and managed one title. Give the job to Vladko Andronovski

          • guest

            Vlatko Andonovski. Respect please.

          • kernel_thai

            anything beyond four letters is a keyboarding adventure.

  • Jim

    This lady is so full of it. Claims she is rotating veterans and all them were called up to this camp. Where is rest for Heath, O’Hara, Sauerbrunn, etc..?

    • guest

      That’s what I don’t understand either. Why were those others not in last camp and then she brings them all back and stays with other veterans. They don’t get time off.

      • Steglitz49

        Maybe it is a pregnancy test?

        • anon

          what is wrong with you

          • Steglitz49

            Remember ARod in 2013?

      • Arcie Tillydee

        Looking to see how the handful of newbies work with the vets, I suppose? Well, that and these off-cycle games are cash grabs…and Morgan and ‘Pinoe in particular put butts in seats.

        • JL

          Rapinoe may be driving away some fans lately with her kneeling.

          • Arcie Tillydee

            She very likely is. But she may also be attracting some, too (whether because of name recognition or because they’re coming to boo her, I can’t say). Hard to tell what the net result will be.

    • Paul Klee

      Dunn and Press are both here and they are the only squad members to get capped in every match this year.

      • guest

        I’m a Press and occasional Dunn fan but it’s tough to compare to someone like Becky or even Heath – who play 90 for most of the matches. Press has been getting garbage minutes most of the year, and that has only been changing recently. Dunn only recently (aka the last two games) has been starting

        • ABCDE

          Press plays 90 every CRS game. She’s probably the least fragile player on the roster though so..

          • Kevin

            …or the most fragile.

        • Paul Klee

          I think Becky really has to be here, especially if they’re working with a new defensive system. First she has to learn to work within it and then other potential players need to work alongside her. Hopefully sheWill get subbed out at half of each match.

          • And the other captain is gone. All of what you stated makes sense.

          • skybolt

            Who will be captain when she’s subbed out I wonder.

          • HOFCToDi

            Ali Krieger wore the captain’s arm band in the second half of the USA vs PUR match. S49’s head exploded.

          • Tobin got it last week.

          • Don’t hate me
          • Don’t hate me

            Morgan, Heath or Krieger

          • guest

            you know morgan want’s it badly. she expects to be the next in succession in the future.

          • Don’t hate me

            I would be ok with Morgan, Heath, or Krieger but thing you’re right Morgan wants it.. Shoot KO could even be a captian

          • Steglitz49

            Alex or Moe? Alex is a mega-star; Moe plays soccer.
            Meanwhile the people have spoken.

          • kernel_thai

            Any bets that Lloyds garter has a “C” on it?

          • mockmook

            Don’t go creepy S49 on us 🙂

          • Steglitz49

            Only S49 can deliver those with aplomb!

          • kernel_thai

            As best I can tell the defensive scheme is keep the ball in the other end the entire match.

          • Paul Klee

            That’s what they were doing with the 4 back and they kept getting caught out. In theory a 3 back should be more defensive, we shall see.

          • Steglitz49

            How?

          • kernel_thai

            I didnt say it was a good scheme.

          • Paul Klee

            I actually like it but it takes a lot of work because your wingers have to be able to rotate back and cover for a centerback coming forward.

          • kernel_thai

            I like the offensive possibilities but dont like having Sauerbrunn out of the middle.

    • guest

      that’s why ellis does all her interviews in prescreened print questions instead of press conferences. her bullshit is more easily believed by uswnt fans that way.

  • WosoFan11

    I posted this on the other article so apologies if you are reading this twice, but it seemed relevant to post on this thread. Comparing the September/November rosters, here is a breakdown of the changes:

    Going Out:
    • Jane Campbell
    • Arin Gilliland
    • Merritt Mathias
    • Emily Sonnett
    • Danielle Colaprico
    • Carli Lloyd (out for her wedding)
    • Shea Groom
    • Ashley Hatch

    Coming In:
    • Adrianna Franch
    • Jaelene Hinkle
    • Julie Johnston
    • Meghan Klingenberg
    • Ali Krieger
    • Kristen Edmonds
    • Megan Rapinoe
    • Alex Morgan

    • anon anon

      Thought more of the vets / Olympic roster would get a rest…

    • Steglitz49

      Thank you. I won’t bother to repeat my incisive comments but I have loaded my blunderbuss and am keeping my powder dry.

    • Som Termanni

      Note that regarding new contracts, Hope Solo and Whitney Engen still count against the 24 contracts offered per the MOU until their severance payments cease 90 days after termination. Assuming the dates of announcement were the dates of termination, Solo’s severance ends on November 22, and Engen’s ends on January 31.
      This is meaningful because the WNT can sign players at its lowest pay tier (Tier 3, or half the salary paid to the 18 Tier 1 players) only if the number of contracted players _including players on severance_ exceeds 24.

      • Paul Klee

        I thought they could have 18 tier I players two tier II players and 4 tier III players making up the 24. I just assumed that Sonnett Mewis and Hinkle were tier III players at the beginning of the year. With Horan at tier II until she made the Olympic roster.

        • Som Termanni

          The MOU requires a _minimum_ of 18 Tier 1 contracts, and a typical _maximum_ of 4 Tier 3 contracts, with no stated limit on Tier 2, as long as the team has 24 active contracted players. It’s possible to have 18 Tier 1, 6 Tier 2, and no Tier 3 players if the USSF is feeling generous (ha ha).

          Right now, the only other known Tier 1 contracts are those for the Olympic 18, who are guaranteed Tier 1 per the MOU. That number still includes:

          – Hope Solo and Whitney Engen (automatic Tier 1s) for as long as they receive severance

          – Syd Leroux (Tier 1 by virtue of being on the ’15 WWC roster; her contract status can’t change due to pregnancy)

          – Potentially, but unconfirmed, Christie Rampone and HAO for being on the ’15s. The MOU requires that they at least start 2016 on Tier 1, but could be downgraded on July 1 based on performance.

          Because of Solo, Engen, and Leroux, the MOU grants the USSF an exemption to backfill those spots with Tier 3 contracts even if it exceeds the normal limit of 4. The questions, then, are:

          – Who’s Tier 3 now? As Olympic alternates, Sonnett, Harris, Mewis, and HAO received at least Tier 2 contracts this year. Assuming the CBA doesn’t change a provision in the current CBA, and assuming USSF offers Sonnett, Harris, or Mewis a contract next year, that contract offer must also be at least a Tier 2 salary.

          Out of the current 2016 allocation list, that just leaves Hinkle, Rampone, and Rodriguez as the players who could potentially receive USSF offers next year but aren’t _guaranteed_ at least Tier 2 contracts because they weren’t on the Olympic 18 or alternates.

          – Will the USSF bother to exercise that exception with any of these new players while in the middle of the new CBA in negotiations, and with the November friendlies being the last matches until after the contract exemptions expire?

          Delaying these decisions until after Engen’s severance expires or Leroux’s minimum maternity leave ends means delaying them until after the draft, which could have ramifications on NWSL allocations. Making contract decisions before the end of the year could lead to newly signed players being lowballed into Tier 3 when the CBA would otherwise prohibit it.

          • guest

            re Rampone and HAO and “The MOU requires that they at least start 2016 on Tier 1,”

            The CBA/MOU requires tier I – IF they are offered a contract
            – HAO announced her retirement and had final USWNt match in September. She is no longer on a USWNT contract.
            – imo, also unlikely that Rampone is offered a USWNT contract for 2017

          • Som Termanni

            Agreed with both–I thought that was implied, especially as both did start the season on the roster. I mentioned HAO because the MOU allowed USSF to downgrade her before her retirement, which would have helped USSF elevate another player to Tier 1 post-Olympics without it being obvious. (And if that happened, I wouldn’t be surprised if her being downgraded in tier is why she announced her retirement two months to the day later.)

      • Steglitz49

        Playing for the nation should be an honor, not living fat on the hog.

        • Chak Khan

          It is, then, an honor to be a player of NWSL. Are these players receiving government’s milk and cheese?

          • Steglitz49

            The crew of the NWSL earn peanuts but if you are a USWNT player, you are rolling in it: $150,000 in a lean year and $250/300,000 in the fat ones.

            Other nations pay their NT players too but nowhere near as much. The US is unusual with such a big difference between the haves and have-nots.

      • Rdalford

        CBA/MOU does not have a “24 contract” cap.
        as you note in other comments there should always be at least 24 contracts and CBA/MOU does have required min of at least 18 tier I but total tier I is based upon (limited by) us soccer budget/uswnt funding. also no min/max on tier II so again limited by us soccer budget/funding. the CBA/MOU also specifies that can have more than 4 tier III if/when total contracts > 24
        In some of the previous years there have been >24 contracts (for example 26 players were on us soccer contracts/allocated in 2014)

        with new CBA negotiations still in progress there may well be different CBA terms (and of course potential for lock out/or strike if CBA not agreed) for 2017.

        In prior years the players on USWNT contract/allocated players have been announced in early Jan (before NWSL draft) so these November friendlies are likely the last in person look that Ellis/uswnt coaches have of current uswnt player pool before those 2017 on contract /allocated decisions are made public.
        I guess Ellis/coaches could take a trip down under to view uswnt pool players in W-league action but my guess is the contract/allocation decisions are made without an Australian vacation/player observation trip by Ellis.

        • kernel_thai

          Last year they allocated 23 so figure Wambach was the mystery guest.

        • CED

          Players with WNT allocation that are not be renewed are told to the teams and players long in advance…ie..Engen, Hinkle. That is done before the waiver list is released. Teams have to plan their list based on this…ie…If you have a allocated player not being renewed you need to make a minimum qualifying offer. That means you’re going to paying nothing for a player in 2016 to paying close to league max for a player in 2017, which is going to drastically offer your roster potentially.

      • guest

        Engen’s USWNT contract termination became public on Oct 2nd (may have been communicated to Engen even sooner) so counting from Oct 2nd the 90 days severance period may only run thru 2nd Jan.

        • kernel_thai

          I would be fairly certain the timing of dropping Engen/Hinkles contracts was to clear severance by the first of the year.

      • kernel_thai

        Did u add Leroux and A-Rod into ur calculations?

      • HOFCToDi

        Unfortunately, the first round of the College Cup conflicts with the international women’s friendlies schedule.

        allwhitekit.com/?p=15061#more-15061

        MF (AMC)
        Lavelle, Rose
        Andrews, Morgan
        Shaffer, Alexis

        F (CF)
        Jordan, Savannah

        • truf

          Rose should go abroad, she would really benefit from playing in Germany.

          • Steglitz49

            There are no doubt plenty of German clubs willing to giver her a chance. Go for it, sauerkraut, dirndl and all.

        • Calci0

          In this formation, are you having Pugh doing a lot of box to box?

          • HOFCToDi

            Yup!

            youtube.com/watch?v=OrpVI9Zy34E

            18:43

            Watch Mallory Pugh track Lucy Bronze to the end line.

    • mockmook

      Overlappers:

      • Ashlyn Harris
      • Alyssa Naeher
      • Abby Dahlkemper
      • Kelley O’Hara
      • Becky Sauerbrunn
      • Casey Short
      • Morgan Brian
      • Tobin Heath
      • Lindsey Horan
      • Allie Long
      • Samantha Mewis
      • Andi Sullivan
      • Crystal Dunn
      • Kealia Ohai
      • Christen Press
      • Lynn Williams

      • guest

        Overlapping newbies:
        -Dahlkemper
        -Ohai
        -Short
        -Sullivan
        -Williams

        • Of the overlapping newbies, who played the most minutes for Oct. friendlies? Short, Sullivan, Williams, Dahlkemper, Ohai is the order that I remember. Is that telling?

          • mockmook

            Based on what JE says, it tells us who performed best in practice.

            So, I think we could see a little shake up this next time — not to mention that they will be competing with different USWNT regulars for time.

          • I am interested in Ohai vs Pinoe and Short vs Klingenberg for playing time. If either of the rookies gets substantial time, it could mean we’re onto something.

          • Frozen Blue

            Is it Short vs Klingenberg or is it Short vs Hinkle as Klingingbergs back up?

          • mockmook

            “Klingingbergs”

            Hmmm, “The Klingingbirds” would be a good name for a band.

          • Kevin

            Not sure if that’s telling or not. They all play different positions, so a lot of it might have to do with the strength and quality of play from the players whose positions they’re competing for in addition to themselves.

          • atalba

            Short is a here-and-now player at LB. She needs to fit, but it’s a long haul to 2019. Sullivan is here to stay for a lifetime. The rest have good shots to make it, but consistency now, NWSL, and next year will be vital for their existence.

        • mockmook

          Overlapping newbies whose name starts with an “O” 😉

          -Ohai

  • BRASILOVARE

    It will not change much in 2019

    • Steglitz49

      Wise words. Wonderful. Without wimping.

  • Steglitz49

    Do the Romanians know the way to San Jose?

    • GT

      They hired Dionne Warwick.

  • Paul Klee

    My Guess is Edmonds is being brought in as a practice player to replace Carli Lloyd in training as a CAM. Who knows though?
    In scrimmages with both sides set up as 3-5-2 How would this work.
    Naeher
    Johnston Long Sauerbrunn
    Sullivan Brian
    O’Hara Horan Heath
    Morgan Dunn
    vs
    Williams Press
    Rapinoe Mewis Ohai
    Edmonds Short
    Hinkle Dahlkemper Krieger
    Harris (edit)
    Doesn’t make sense to me…

    • mockmook

      You can’t expect perfect “balance” in these scrimmages.

      Anyway, I think the second team would more likely line up like this:

      Williams Press
      Klingenberg Rapinoe Ohai
      Edmonds Mewis
      Short Dahlkemper Krieger
      Harris

      But, yes, JE could have done a better job of making two “logical” 3-5-2 teams (if that was the most important objective).

      • Steglitz49

        Maybe JE is going back to 4-3-3? It works for Sweden and Germany.

        • guest

          Don’t we have enough gaps in the midfield already?

          • Steglitz49

            Only a couple of teams can give the USWNT a real match.

  • Andy

    Pretty disappointing. Franch and Edmonds are the only new ones getting looks?

    • Paul Klee

      Franch has been to camp before.

      • Som Termanni

        Soccer Twitter might burn to the ground if Franch gets as many or more caps in these friendlies than Harris.

        • Paul Klee

          Or if Hinkle gets on the 18 roster.

          • kernel_thai

            Maybe Ellis wanted a lefty in the bullpen

          • Paul Klee

            Short is a lefty I think? Competing?

          • kernel_thai

            She luvs her lefties.

          • Steglitz49

            Left-footed or two-footed? Alex favors her left foot 4:1 if not 8:1 but she has scored critical goals with her right — and her head.

        • Steglitz49

          It could be that JE is showing deference where deference is due and obeisance to those 2958 burghers of Avaldsnes because if that tiny hamlet in the Westland of Norway was not willing to take in the lame and injured from the NWSL and make them whole again, where would the NWSL be? Glory, laud and honor to the western Norwegians.

      • kernel_thai

        Betos may be wondering why her caddy got an invite the The Masters.

        • Paul Klee

          Assuming the new CBA is similar to the present one. USSOCCER is very likely to contract a third keeper unless the plan on bringing a new one to every camp.

          • Steglitz49

            They might contract two new at this stage and by the time WC-19 rolls along, they could be 3 new graces in goal — or Hope be back.

          • kernel_thai

            Wasnt there a quote from Utah where Ellis said Campbell was heading back to Stanford but had already been told she would be invited to the next camp?

          • Paul Klee

            Yeah I could just see them pulling a Sonnett and giving Campbell a contract right out of college. I don’t think they should but Jill doesn’t always listen to me.

          • kernel_thai

            It was a mistake with Sonnett and would be with Campbell. Let her earn her contract in the league.

        • mockmook

          ???????

          • kernel_thai

            If Franch isnt good enough to start for Portland how is she getting a look in camp based on NWSL play?

          • guest

            that cannot be very motivating or inspiring to all the american players around the nwsl.

          • Calci0

            So those same players didn’t notice, Ohai, Williams, and the numerous others invited based off NWSL performance?!?

          • mockmook

            Ah, an analogy — from now on, I’ll try to keep up…

          • Calci0

            Age?

          • kernel_thai

            Somewhat but age is less a factor with GKs. Potential is maybe the better answer

        • guest

          calling in a player that doesn’t even start for her club team would be shocking on any other national team in the world….except for the uswnt.

    • Guest

      seriously.. so boring. Hopefully things get more interesting in January.

    • mockmook

      I’m kind of glad that some of the newbies are getting a second look this quickly — perhaps Ellis feels she can’t give even more newbies a fair look. IOW, her plate is already full with the current newbies.

  • HOFCToDi

    DI Women’s Soccer College Cup

    ncaa.com/sports/soccer-women/d1

    Schedule
    Nov. 11-13
    First Round

  • Bluenun

    Hinkle really !!!! Rapinoe and her controversies where never really missed!

    • guest

      megan rapinoe is only on the game day roster to give her national anthem performance and then she will go home.

    • Guest

      Violence against black people has not been missed either. Sorry to inconvenience you with a protest that has to do with something that you are lucky enough to not be affected by.

      • mockmook

        I’m glad to hear that you are so upset at the number of blacks killing blacks in the inner cities…

        • Bluenun

          HI, mockmook!

          • mockmook

            Howdy, Bn.

            — But, I don’t live in HI…..

          • Steglitz49

            Bluenun saved the German wine industry. Maye be can do the same for the USWNT?

        • Guest

          I’m glad to hear that you are an expert by sitting behind your computer screen and thus have the expertise to state without any doubt what the situation is. Thanks

          • mockmook

            You’re welcome.

      • Bluenun

        Her kneeling has done absolutely nothing to bring about change! When she does something constuctive let me know! Maybe she can donate some money from the “rapinoe brand clothing line or the 3 soccer camps she just had at $155 per person! I didn’t see any inner city kids there. But she sure making money. I also don’t see her giving back the US paycheck! Don’t see her reaching out or volunteering or having free soccer camps in inner cities or any to help the cause. But I do see kneeling is getting her name out there and she is making money!!!!!!!

        • Guest

          I’m sorry when did you become a partner in Megan rapinoe’s finances? How the hell do you know what she’s doing with her money? Who are you to say what she’s doing outside of the public eye to bring about change? And her action has certainly brought attention to an issue and has triggered conversation. If only people like you devoted the same amount of energy ridiculing her as you did to what she’s actually standing up for.

          • Steglitz49

            Please don’t be too severe on the saviour of the German wine industry because without Blue Nun we would not have all those quality German wines.

          • Bluenun

            When then tell me what see is doing to combat discrimination!!!!!! She has brought nothing but more hate! People cannot and will not see pass the act of disrespecting the flag! She can come with me when I volunteer at a soup kitchen/homeless shelter. I am there 4/5 times a week. You are also welcome to join!!!! She has NO idea what goes on there!.. These kids are born behind the 8 ball! Kneeling is doing ABSOLUTELY nothing to help these kids who are starving, hanging with their drug addicted mom not going to school! She could use her platform for change but kneeling is a joke. Reach out to people, ask Nike etc to donate jackets. The NY Giants didn’t kneel, instead the players reached out to the NYPD and started a dialogue! Have free soccer clinics in the inner city etc. All these thing bring about change, not kneeling and then going to the next city to play soccer, or soccer camps, or media shoots for the Rapinoe brand! Nice of your to judge me when you don’t even know who I am. But I will be willing to take you around the projects and homeless shelter, maybe well see Rapinoe there , oh wait she will be kneeling in CA. playing soccer while us real people will be in the trenches. I will tell you who the hell I am , I am a person who’s heart is torn to pieces when I see what these poor children go through! Nobody cares about these families who are homeless and don’t have a chance. But when
            a cop kills a black man ooo everybody cares! Do you know how many kids I serve can’t even and write. Maybe if all these self righteous athletes helped these poor children get to and stay in school so they can get jobs and get out, the will never encounter police. They all have scholarships. You can go tell hell with your wrong judgements. Rapinoe is not accomplishing anything but making money for her and her sister! If she really wanted to make a statement don’t take the call up or give her check to charity! Yeah right! I will ridicule her cause kneeling is just a stunt! At the end of the day a stunt!

  • Silver Frost

    Sonnet kicked to the curb.

    • another guest

      Sonnett can (should imo) take a lesson from careers of a couple of other USWNT players who are also UVA alums. Both Lori Lindsey (first cap in 2005 then gap until 2009) and Becky Sauerbrunn (first cap 2008 then gap until started getting caps again in 2010) had some initial call-ups/caps then gaps (during which they worked hard to get better) before earning their way back into regular USWNT call-ups/caps. Regardless of her uswnt status Sonnett needs to work hard/play well and get better (in particular gain experience to make better decisions) at NWSL level if she wants to earn her way to consistent USWNT call-ups/caps.

    • FawcettFan14

      Way too early for such an assertion. Sonnett is still the best young defender in the pool. Just prone to boneheaded mistakes once and a while. I think her ball skills are quite good actually, and she knows it, and her overconfidence in her passing causes her to play dangerous passes when she needs to take a safer option.

      • mockmook

        “Sonnett is still the best young defender in the pool.”

        Depends on what you mean by “young” and by the “pool”

        To me, all of these have a case for being in that conversation:

        Dahlkemper
        Grubka
        Johnston, J.
        Kallman
        Menges
        Naughton
        Oyster
        Skroski

        • yasdf

          Jill is going to be shocked at how good Skroski is if she calls her up to camp.

  • Guest

    who did allie long blackmail for a consistent position at “wherever” on this team?

    • dw

      no need, and I still think she’s better than she shows. Maybe with Carli out she can play CAM.

      • kernel_thai

        The odds r better Ellis moves her back again to GK

      • Steglitz49

        Allie long will be almost 32 by the time WC-19 rolls along. Better find new blood now than in 2019.

  • Guest

    So of all the talent in the country she brings in… Kristen Edmonds? Wtf?

    • mockmook

      A good player, but already getting up there in age (compared to the other newbies).

      • Steglitz49

        A waste of time, iow.

    • Craigaroo

      I thought she was very good for Orlando this season. Had a lot of impact for them, made big plays.

  • Paul Klee

    It’s going to be much harder to make the 18 roster from this camp. As there are 16 USWNT regulars in this camp. Assuming Jill Ellis puts all 16 on each match roster that leaves only 2 spots for the newbies. 2 out of 8 realistically 7 — is there any chance barring injuries that Ellis doesn’t dress a regular USWNT member?

    • Kevin

      I think there’s a good chance she leaves a couple of the regulars that got some playing time against Switzerland off the roster to evaluate the new players, such as…

      • Press – now that Morgan is back.
      • O’Hara – she was just meh (at best) to me other than her assist, which was a thing of beauty.

      I haven’t been impressed with Horan much lately either. She’s just too slow and spends half the game on the ground.

      • BGH123

        I second the Horan on the ground complaint. I don’t think she gets that one benefit is her size and strength, and she can’t use it on the ground

        • HOFCToDi

          The aforementioned poster is late to the party, as usual.

          equalizersoccer.com/2016/09/01/heather-oreilly-retires-uswnt-international-stays-fckc-nwsl/#comment-2871562329

          equalizersoccer.com/2016/09/01/heather-oreilly-retires-uswnt-international-stays-fckc-nwsl/#comment-2871576804

  • kernel_thai

    Still no love for Menges. Happy to see Ohai and Williams back. Yea for Edmonds. I want to see a half of Morgan Press and Dunn attacking together in the middle.

    • The Menges snub is pretty glaring to me, but that is the only one I can think of who wasn’t called in in October.

      • kernel_thai

        Mostly because of the system which seems to beg for pacey CBs

        • Good point, Menges herself always says how she’s not quick. I do think she is fast after covering a lot of ground, but she doesn’t have that burst speed.

          • #1Fan

            what is soccer quick? Its quick mind, feet and decision making. Fast and soccer fast are not the same

          • Steglitz49

            Acceleration. Ball skills, vision and acceleration are the trinity an triad of soccer. Its tridentine creed, if you prefer.

          • Arcie Tillydee

            She’s got her quick decision-making sorted now, but while she may be the fastest player in the system over a longer distance, her first few steps are indeed not a quick as some. I’ve seen her lose a bit of distance to Crystal Dunn (who’s exceptionally quick in her first few steps), then haul her in on “top speed.”

        • Steglitz49

          Lack of pacy CBs was not a good idea in Brasilia. It is rarely if ever a good idea

      • Guest

        DiBernardo. Possibly Killion also can be considered a snub

        • Yea, good catch. She must not still be hurt, since she went to Australia. Maybe that is the reason why?

      • mockmook

        Skroski?

        • I am more of a wait and see on her. She overachieved my expectations this season for sure, but I am not convinced she’s NT level yet.

          • Arcie Tillydee

            Who’s a better CB on the NT? Broon? Sure…but she’s begun to decline. JJ? Not even close. JJ scores goals and is mediagenic…but she’s not particularly good at core CB play. Sonnett? Watching them side-by-side for a season shows me that Menges is simply the better, more solid CB.

          • FawcettFan

            I think Sauerbrunn, JJ, Sonnett, Menges would be a solid core of center backs for 2019.

          • Steglitz49

            Seeing that Sauerbrunn was found wanting in Brasilia why would she be any better 3 years older? Weighed in the balance and lightweight.

          • mockmook

            You might tell AT that this is why he shouldn’t block so many people 🙂

          • Steglitz49

            Don’t block anyone. It is Paul Klee¨s achilles heel.

          • mockmook

            BTW, since JE has re-discovered DMs, perhaps Sarah Killion could have gotten a look.

            And, if we are taking on new players regardless of age (Long and Edmonds), I think Averbuch is EXTREMELY deserving of a call up as a CB (plus, she is an excellent ball-handler, which is what JE is wanting).

          • I would agree with you, but all that comes to mind at the moment is Press making an absolute fool out of Averbuch when she scored that goal of the year. I know Yael had a good season but that moment is burned into my mind.

          • Steglitz49

            Averbuch used to write a column for the NYT. I don’t know if she still does though. Yael went to that last International Club World championship in Japan. She played for the Gunners and wrote for NYT. Arsenal lost to Sao Jose in the final.

      • FawcettFan14

        Menges is a perfect fit for the 3-5-2. She is more natural center back than outside back, but still fast enough to cover ground. Good in the air, decent with distribution.

  • brdn08

    This team is one player away from greatness. Ellis has had one job above all others for the past year. Find a suitable replacement for Lauren Holiday. She has failed miserably. I have advocated Holiday’s superiority to any other midfielder on this team for years it is no coincidence that the team lost the Olympics after she left.

    • mockmook

      Charlotte Williams (PSU)

    • Craigaroo

      Well, in the NWSL, who has played the creative mid role at Holiday/Cheney’s level? Vero Boquete and Kim Little, right? And neither of them can play for the US.

      • Calci0

        But even in the WWC she wasn’t really in position to be the creative mid she was ala FCKC.

      • Steglitz49

        Can we please be done with Lauren Holiday’s maiden name and use the name she chose to play under once she married. Show some respect, please.

      • brdn08

        Vero and Kim are 10s though. The US cant find a suitable DM.

        • mockmook

          No, the USA can’t find a decent 10

          They never try to find a decent DM (though Long has done good work there lately).

      • Arcie Tillydee

        There’s a creative mid of potential Vero-tier quality in the system: Rose Lavelle. Ellis doesn’t seem to value her, though.

    • newouth

      i don’t understand. aren’t they already great? richest, most well fed women’s team in the world with a limitless college pool of fat well fed players.

      • brdn08

        This team isn’t. Money and athleticism dont equal technical ability or soccer iq. Without Holiday there is a glaring weakness in this team at DM that is yet to be addressed.

  • guest

    bold move by jill ellis. all those uswnt veterans will likely be needed to compete against around the 40th ranked tomato can in the world. should be a nice tomato can game. i am calling one shot by the opposing team in the game…which will not be on goal.

    • mockmook

      Isn’t she limited to 8 non-contract pro players per camp — this group contains 6

      • kernel_thai

        Apparently she is limited to feeding and housing 24 players.

  • FawcettFan14

    The lack of newbies is disappointing, compared to the Oct camp. The (albeit depleted) Swiss did not show much resistance, and they are a better team than Romania, so these Nov games shouldn’t be much challenge at all. And they failed to qualify for Euro 2017, so morale will be low.

    It will be a chance to try out a crazy new formation that won’t work against top tier opponents, and to pad the stats. Lloyd will have to wait until 2017 to get to 100 goals, anyway.

    Nice reward for Edmonds to get a call up. Definitely the stand out player for Orlando this year (who would’ve thought?). But she is already 29 years old. Sort of like Allie Long, I’m ambivalent to bring in new players who are already approaching 30. Long was a good stop gap for 2016 with Holiday and Boxx retired, but I think we need to invest in younger options now.

    I’d like to see USSF sponsor a huge camp in January with about 40 players. There are enough deserving NWSL players who need to be examined. Let them compete against the established regulars in camp and see who impresses. The obstacles to this are the contract system (which I don’t pretend to understand completely) and the fact that many NWSL players are going abroad, mostly to Australia, this winter. Their loan teams may not be inclined to release them for an extended camp mid-season. But we need it. In an interview Ellis basically said the next 6 months are for experimenting, then she begins to build the team for 2019. I think this is too truncated. We have at least all of 2017, possibly even half of 2018, to try things out. But if the 6-month window is to be believed, she needs to cast the net as wide as possible in those 6 months.

    • kernel_thai

      This six month thing is very deceptive. It sounds like a long time but what is it really…Oct -2 friendlies, Nov-2 friendlies, Dec-off, Jan-camp, Feb-2 friendlies, March-SBC. If the Feb friendlies arent against quality (or unless Romania surprises) the big period of experimentation is 6 non testers and then throw the new system against England, France & Germany.

      I still think SBC was badly placed. I would have put it in the WC slot instead of the Algarve/Cyprus slot. This way they could still get the Algave experience of playing tough teams on a neutral field. In June they do SBC on every year except one where it overlaps WC. Sure u get conflicts. This year the Euro teams wouldnt come but if u grab Australia, Brazil & Japan have u lost much? What ud gain is an event that would be on tv unlike the current one which is obscured by March Madness. Ud also get Algarve back.

      • CED

        The SBC could not be put at Wcup time(June 2017) b/c there is this little thing called Euro 2017. Btw, the first reason SBC was even created was the top teams were becoming disillusioned with Algarve for several reasons. They were often only getting 1 quality opponent. The marketing, attendance, etc..were dismal. 500 people or less at games. The SBC is 3 quality opponents with much bigger crowds.

        • kernel_thai

          Well I mentioned they lose the UEFA teams once every four years for Euros. I dont think it’s a big deal or that u want the same three teams every year anyway. And yes there r problems with Algarve but there is also a problem with playing all ur matches at home and then going on the road for a big tournament. Among the reasons I thought they won WC were an aggressive away schedule in the Spring that included matches in France, England and Algarve and playing in front of so many US supporters in Canada.

          • guest

            They definitely need all the tests they can get, and Algarve gave them a few. Moving SBC out of March could give them more.

          • Steglitz49

            Women’s FA cup final May 13th and Women’s Champions League final June 1st, before which are SFs and QFs. Euro-17 is July 16th to Aug 6th.

          • HOFCToDi

            The median attendance for the 2015-16 FA Women’s Cup was less than 200.

            en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015%E2%80%9316_FA_Women%27s_Cup

          • Steglitz49

            The FA are establishing their Cup as the premier domestic club event in the world. In a sense, because they now use Wembley and are getting the crowds, it is becoming the premier event of all ladies club soccer.

            From last year to this, the attendance at the FA women’s Cup final went up by 3,000 while that at the NWSL Championship final went DOWN by more than that.

          • CED

            No it wouldn’t. The European teams have qualifiers for Wcup, Euros, etc…They are in virtual continuous qualifying mode, which is how mens soccer runs. Those game occur during FIFA windows and then there is the domestic leagues, C-league, etc.. They don’t have 3 years of worthless games with all open windows like the US does. UEFA just finished Euro quals and some teams still have playoffs. They have the early 2017 windows open, than Euros and the next open windows in september 2017 they start Wcup quals.

          • Paul Klee

            If Europe had a full Women’s Olympic qualification they’d never get a real break.

          • CED

            A full OG qualification is essentially logistically impossible. They would have to play too many games to run normal quals among the 50+ teams. All quals would have to done from the time Wcup ends, usually 1st or 2nd week of July till OG which is the next August. While deciding spots based on Wcup results is not the fairest. I think they maybe should do a a format where the 3 OG spots are determined from the 8 Wcup qualifiers in some mini tourney format that can be done in 2 weeks in the spring. That’s what other feds do for OG while doing a full qualifying process for Wcup b/c there is time.

          • Steglitz49

            You’ve just 6x the words to reinforce the painter’s point.

            What did you achieve that upvoting his would not?

          • CED

            What is your obsession You’re clearly off your meds . Seroquel is your friend.

          • Steglitz49

            The play-offs are over. Portugal prevailed over Romania.

            You are behind the times, as usual. RIP.

          • CED

            Take your meds. You clearly got embarrassed by your usual ignorance on some topic, As you think you know anything about US and don’t. Now are in pure obsession, delusional, stalker mode. Bte, you do know how pathetic it is to be so obsessed with another countries’ NT team instead of your own country?

          • Steglitz49

            If you are not HOFCToDi then you are his spiritual brother in arms.

          • CED

            You need a high dose of meds if you foolishly think I;m HOFCToDi…He loves Lloyd, I have stated 10000 times she’s a cancer to the progress of the WNT.

          • HOFCToDi

            Yup!

            Sweden failed to qualify for the 2010 FIFA World Cup. Sweden failed to qualify for the 2014 FIFA World Cup. Sweden failed to qualify for the 2015 FIFA U-20 World Cup. Sweden failed to qualify for the 2015 FIFA U-17 World Cup.

            The UEFA Euros are over.

            en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Euro_2016#Group_E

          • JL

            The US doesn’t need Algarve anymore. It was fine back in the 90’s, but Shiba offers the chance for the US to guarantee playing the other top teams instead of relying on a random draw. Plus it’s a money maker.

          • HOFCToDi

            SBC
            Euro Version
            ENG, FRA, GER

            SBC
            Pan Pacific Version
            AUS, CAN, JPN

          • Steglitz49

            The Algarve cup started in 1994 and the US was one of the original members. The US set out 1996 and ’97 and from 1998 played in every one of them till this year.

            Germany joined in 2002, dropped out for 2 years and returned in 2005 and later left out 2011. Japan joined in 2011. France was in 2003-2005 and the fought tooth and nail to be allowed back in 2015 and 2015 was Brazil’s first and only appearance at the Algarve cup Australia played once in 1999.

          • CED

            Basic research. The SBC was designed to have the same 3 teams for 2016,17,18. The top teams don’t want to go to Algarve for the reasons mentioned and others. I could totally see the tourney expanding in 2019 and beyond to 6 with top teams from other feds. Adding top team like Brazil, Japan, Canada or Australia. No bad/mediocre which has become to prevalent in Algarve. There was an artcile on the disillusionment with the tourney by top clubs a few years back. They won the Wcup b/c of poor refs who were clearly influenced by a US crowd. They are packing their bags home if the tourney is not in Canada and a virtual home game. The reason USWNT plays few away games is b/c they are money pits, they lose 100’s of thousands on away games. The year they played the 2 away games in france that trip was like 400- 500K loss. The fact is our Fed sucks so there are no good away games to get, except Canada. Euro teams for example can get away games vs a bunch of top 20 teams with travel distances equivalent to traveling one state to another. Also, since UEFA has a real qualifying process for the Wcup and Euros, teams have to play 5 to 6 away games to qualify for each tourney. US has silly tourney where they are the host every time.

          • kernel_thai

            Money is no excuse. If they dont want to spend the money to be the best they dont want to be the best. Leading up to WC they traveled to Brazil, France, England & Algarve, In 2012 they played Canada in Canada (CONCACAF); Denmark, Norway, Japan, Sweden at Algarve; Japan & Brazil in Japan; Sweden & Japan in Sweden. Is the program poorer now than those two years? Is it crazy for me to think tough matches on the road helped to bring home the gold in both those years?

          • CED

            Algarve sucks as a tourney,it’s time has past and that’s why there are now multiple alternatives to it. A local HS game gets more coverage, crowds, etc.. It’s silly to spend 500K+ to play at Algarve when the competition is not necessarily good. Btw, even Euro teams want to play in US over Algarve…Germany, England, etc…Brazil or Japan would come to if invited. Please educate yourself on top teams commenting on having only a few quality games during the tourney. Each foreign games is a major loss and yes money matters when players are demanding guaranteed salaries and massive increases. USWNT will make a pittance this year and could possibly lose money. 2015 was anomaly in revenue. Btw, if you look at those past years of foreign games they were losing many millions annually. What people fail to realize almost 2M in the profit they had in 2015 was b/c SBC made about 1.4M compared to the 500K loss of Algrave, that is a total swing of 1.9M to the positive.

          • kernel_thai

            I agree with that mostly because fans dont go to the matches. As u know it’s purpose was to give the Scandinavian countries a warm place for preseason. It’s early date is one of the reasons it doesnt gel with SBC. If u gonna put elite teams together u dont want it at the beginning of the season. Still replacing Algarve with more home matches isnt the answer.

          • mockmook

            “having only a few quality games during the tourney”

            There only are a few games in the tourney.

            And what’s wrong with these as opponents?

            France
            Iceland
            Switzerland
            Norway
            (vs USA in 2015)

          • CED

            Again putting your ignorance on display if you think SUI and Iceland are not garbage. Norway is not the Norway of 20 years agi when the actually were a threat to win OG, Wcup, etc..

          • Steglitz49

            “Money, money, money”, sang ABBA.

            The odd feature about the Algarave cup is not the Cup itself but that it came into being in Portugal and not in either Florida, Texas or southern Cal.

            USSF seems to have been pleased to send a team to the Algarve except of a couple of years early on in its history.

          • HOFCToDi

            The USSF spent the money …….. all on Klinsmann’s contract.

          • guest

            the uswnt was more interested in winning the revenue title against the usmnt….they lost that too.

          • Steglitz49

            Now that the USSF has won the 3rd ladies World Cup after 16 years and can sport the 3 stars above the crest, the USSF does not care.

            The USWNT were überfavorites going into OG-16. Unlike in WC-11 and WC-15, this time they played Sweden in the knockout phase. Sic transit gloria mundi.

            The USMNT brought home much more prize money from WC-14 than the USWNT did by winning WC-15. USSF has to keep up the quality of the MNT and preferably improve it. The WNT is small financial beer in comparison.

          • Steglitz49

            They won WC-15 because lashings of help from FIFA

          • HOFCToDi

            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
            Round of 16
            20 Jun 2015
            GER 4 SWE 1

          • CED

            It;s not every 4 years, there is this other thing called the Wcup. SBC timing is b/c it fits into a designated FIFA Window, There are now several tournies in that window when Algarve was the big show in that window in the past. Teams are not keen on Algarve for so many reasons, The fact is it has not grown in marketing, crowds, etc,,,since it’s inception.

          • Steglitz49

            The Algarve cup has its history and magic. Once the magic is lost, it is lost. Time Waits for no lady. Tradition matters, even in WoSo.

            U20 WC clashes with the ladies Champions League and Clubse are refusing to release players. FIFA did not think before they fixed the dates. Uefa must be laughing all the way the PR-office. The Champions League is more important.

          • CED

            FIFA doesn’t build U tournaments around windows, they don’t really seem to care. The mens U-20 in 2017 starts May 20, before all euro leagues are done. Teams under FIFA rules are under no obligation to release payers until the season ends. So, to put it simply your so called PR laughing is not what you think. FIFA doesn’t care, they build U 20 around what’s convenient for FIFA.

          • Steglitz49

            What is convenient for the US, you mean.

          • CED

            OMG. You’re in fill delusion mode if you think FIFA runs tourney’s based on the US. Are you off your meds?

          • Steglitz49

            High dere. HOFCToDi, greatings.
            The US won WC-15 because FIFA bent over and took it like man.
            The French being arrogant as well as brain-dead just made it easier for FIFA to deliver.

          • kernel_thai

            Yep, no SBC in WC years. U play it the other three years. It’s an elite developmental tournament.

          • CED

            Do you even follow your own posts? If you have it June, your plan, it’s not possible Wcup and Euro years. It’s where it is now b/c it perfectly fits into a FIFA window, b/c teams are not keen on Algarve as described before. Also, it won’t conflict with NWSL and USWNT like that it caps off there beginning year training that leads the players into NWSL season. The logistics are perfect for USSF and btw for the other teams they invite fitting into their Wcup, Euros, C-league, domestic seasons, etc..

          • kernel_thai

            Why isnt their schedule conflicts with Algarve, U could certainly have WCQ, EQ or whatever in March. The answer is they dont schedule in the Algarve window. If UEFA wants its best teams available to play in SBC in June they wont schedule them for qualifying matches that week. And this isnt US verses UEFA…England only got in because Japan couldnt come. U may only want one or two teams a year from UEFA. How hard is that to schedule around that?

          • Steglitz49

            The obvious basic teams ought to be the three founding nations of the NWSL: USA, Canada and Mexico. The harsh reality is that the Mexican ladies NT is too weak but Canada is plenty strong enough.

          • CED

            You really have zero understanding.

          • Steglitz49

            There is a FIFA window at that time because of the Algarve cup. The Cyprus cup grew out of NTs of the British Isles wanting a winter training camp just as the Swedish NT had wanted all those moons ago. The Istria cup i only a couple of years old and fulfills yet another niche.

            All because of the Algarve cup that came into being in 1994 because of the Swedes, a Portuguese chap with a vision and a generous British property developer/tycoon.

          • Steglitz49

            CED can’t cope with reality, poor lamb. Reality is too strong meat for him.

        • Steglitz49

          The SBC came into being because Norway and Sweden were playing off with NL and CH for OG-16 and USSF saw their chance to make a fast buck.
          If USSF had some sense either Canada or Sweden would be in the SBC in stead of France

          • CED

            You haven’t a clue why SBC was started. Basic research would be your friend.

          • Steglitz49

            It is old news that the USSF makes money on home tames and lose money on away games.

            FIFA or the ioc demanding a play-off for the 3rd OG slot at the time of the Algarve cup opened up an opportunist. France, who had fought tooth and nail to be in the Algarve cup quickly switched allegiance, collaborators that they are.

          • CED

            You’re delusion is noted once again on why SBC exists and unjustified hate for France.

          • Steglitz49

            2009, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2015 and 2016 tell their stark stories. Repeat offenders.

          • HOFCToDi

            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
            Round of 16
            21 Jun 2015
            FRA 3 KOR 0

            resources.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/02/65/21/70/eng_40_0621_fra-kor_fulltime.pdf

            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
            Round of 16
            20 Jun 2015
            GER 4 SWE 1

            resources.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/02/65/17/36/eng_39_0620_ger-swe_fulltime.pdf

          • Steglitz49

            Remember the Bomb in Brasilia aka Miracle on Grass? No time like the present.

          • guest

            the bomb in brasilia did not happen unless jill ellis says it did.

      • Kevin

        The Algarve Cup was awful. The biggest WoSo tournament outside of the WC/OG and there were so many things wrong with it…

        • Terrible, awful format
        • Pathetic attendance numbers (frequently < 100 fans)
        • Most games weren't televised or even streamed
        • Non-existant media coverage

        The tournament is 22 years old and gets worse every year.

        Hopefully, the SBC will become the premier tournament for the top teams. Expand it to 8 teams and invite the top teams.

        Why not have both tournaments work together? Send the top teams to the SBC and let the middle-of-the-road teams go to the Algarve Cup. Hell, invite the Algarve Cup Champion to the SBC the following year.

        • Steglitz49

          Attendance was never the point. Togetherness was.

          The history how the Algarve Cup came into being is part of WoSo lore. Now it looks to have been lost. A pity but there you are and there indeed you have it and what more could the US ask for?

          The winner of the Algarve cup does not do auditions, to quote the great man.

          • HOFCToDi

            Excuses are for losers.

            You have failed repeatedly to provide the attendance figures for the 2016 Algarve Cup.

          • Kevin

            Huh?

            If WoSo wants to grow, the biggest tournament outside of the WC/OG needs to have more than 50 fans at every game and be televised.

            Look at the attendance numbers in 2015. Games featuring Top 5 teams with less than 50 (fifty) fans in attendance. That’s an enormous embarrassment to WoSo.

          • Steglitz49

            No. It is not in the context of the primary purpose of the Algarve cup as well as the geography of the Algarve.

            The non-US matches in the SBC were played as double headers with the US matches to disguise the fact that hardly anyone trotted along to those.

            As HOFCToDi points out elsewhere in this string, the median attendance figure for the 2015-16 FA Women’s Cup was less than 200. What he omits is that 33,000 showed up for the final.

        • JL

          The games weren’t televised in the US because the Portuguese federation charges an arm and a leg for the TV rights. It wasn’t worth the outrageous price. FS1 only dished out the money last year because they wanted to build up for the WC. And in 2013, FS1 aired the games on a delay because it was much cheaper than doing it live.

          I don’t have a problem with the format, but the US couldn’t guarantee getting to play other top teams. With Shiba, they can.

          • Steglitz49

            If it had not been for the largesse of a British property tycoon, there may never have been an Algarve cup and no British team was in the first one (Scotland and Wales played in this Millennium, England never).

    • CED

      Last camp they saw Sullivan and Williams as clear stand outs. There are only in reality few spots up for grabs as a core are surely set for the future. The point in Nov camp is to see how Sullivan who got some time with some of the core fits in with the players as part of the front 6 that were missing..especially Morgan who is the 1st choice striker for WNT. Sullivan was able to find the runs of Press and Williams last games, does she have the same chemistry with Morgan. That central MF spot is something that has been lacking for years and Sullivan will get a get a run for a while based on her last performances. The same can be said for Williams, how does she fit with the regulars who were missing last camp. The simple fact is trying to play 6 or 10 newbies is not necessarily productive b/c it makes the evaluation harder. The newbies are only looking to fill gaps in the core, they aren’t taking over. You need to see how they integrate and that’s best done playing maybe 2 at a time.

      • kernel_thai

        I agree…the best use of this camp is to build on what happened in the last camp. Bringing in a whole new bunch of players puts her back at square one

      • Steglitz49

        There are some, maybe more than some, players who will not be relevant for WC-19. JE might as well weed them out sooner than later.

        • anon

          Rapinoe and Krieger are probably the most likely to be irrelevant, followed by Harris. Most of the other vets will probably be there

          • Steglitz49

            There were other gross failures in Brazil. They will not be better by WC-19.

          • Kevin

            Who will not be better?

          • Steglitz49

            Carli, Long, Brunn for starters, and Press and probably KO. They need modern goalies too.

          • Kevin

            I don’t think Press or KO make the team. I’d be shocked it Carli and Brunn weren’t there though. Who knows about Long.

          • mockmook

            “I’d be shocked it Carli and Brunn weren’t there though.”

            I don’t think you would be — you know that age and injury can get you in an instant.

            I will be surprised if they are starters in 2019. Long, too.

            OTOH, I think Press will find a way to at least be a sub — maybe even a starter. I think she has a little bit of that Carli obsessiveness hidden under that “meek” exterior.

          • Steglitz49

            Your points are well taken. Thank you.

          • Kevin

            Just the other day I said I wouldn’t be surprised if Brunn wasn’t a starter due to losing a step or two. I don’t think Carli should be a starter now.

            I would definitely be shocked if they didn’t make WC19 though, mostly because of Ellis.

          • Steglitz49

            After the Bomb in Brasilia aka Miracle on Grass, JE has carte blanche to swing the axe. I suspect she is hoping for natural causes to make their impact and take their toll.

          • Guesting

            You make it sound so simple. I don’t see Ellis as having “carte blanche”. There are too many other factors that come into play that restrict what she can do, the USSF hierarchy, plus complying with the CBA agreement, and let us not forget the corporate world that has a lot of investment money tied up in NT players as well as the US National team.

          • Steglitz49

            It depends.

            Why do you think Pinoe went to Brazil?

            I commented on it even before she was definitely selected. If JE picked her against her better judgement, she has even more clout. If she did it against the advice of the top brass, she hangs by a slender thread. I am assuming that JE bent over. She was lucky in WC-15 and counted on luck being with her again.

          • Guesting

            To determine how her decisions will be made just follow the money.

          • Steglitz49

            What has deep throat to do with all this? Do you need a deep throat in a female environment?

          • HOFCToDi

            So says the worthless Swedish troll.

          • Steglitz49

            S49 is about your only supporter on this board so it behoves you to pay deference and make obeisance unto S49.

          • HOFCToDi

            The only useful purpose you serve is to antagonize the “Press Gang Troll Brigade”.

          • Steglitz49

            They and I have locked horns ever since they set up camp on the EQ. I was here first. In those dark days their superlatives knew no bounds. Reality has tempered (some of) them.

  • another guest

    US Soccer site has posted an interesting in her own words article by Lynn Williams about her first call-up experience.

    • Kevin
      • #1Fan

        Nice article, but what else is she going to say ? Nothing revealing here at all and there never will be

        • Kevin

          She could have said nothing at all.

          She revealed what it’s like for a new player coming into the NT camp for the first time ever from her perspective and shared her experiences of how the team treated her.

          • I liked it. Cool to see her perspective, and who helped her out, etc. Fun to see how the team interacts with each other when we don’t get to watch.

          • #1Fan

            Im more cynical Im afraid. She cannot say anything else IF asked by USSF. What she going to say? No comment? Just another USSF puff piece to me

          • Well yea, but what else is it supposed to be?

          • #1Fan

            i responded to the suggestion it was great.

          • Kevin

            You must love the mainstream media then. Go there if you want depressing articles to read.

            Was she asked by USSF?

            It looks like it was a personal blog, written by her, not an interview or article.

            She mentioned her brief experiences with the U-23’s…

            “…all those girls (U-23’s) had known each other for a long time. Everyone was nice, but I remember feeling that they were a bit standoffish until you proved yourself, so that’s what I was expecting from the senior group, except times ten.”

            It was the opposite experience for her with the senior NT, which is refreshing to hear. I remember reading/hearing the opposite experiences from players not too long ago in the Abby era.

          • #1Fan

            ok .

          • Steglitz49

            Losing $100,000 may have taught the veterans some manners.

            Maybe the USWNT has realized after that Bomb in Brasilia that politeness is not a bad thing, that you catch more flies with honey than vinegar and that being inclusive rather than exclusive is a great way forward.

    • Paul Klee

      Williams seems to be an easy person to root for.

      Greg Popovich coach of the SAN Antonio Spurs says that he looks for players who ” have gotten over themselves”. Williams seems to be someone with self-awareness.

      Wish her the best.

      • JL

        Everyone I’ve talked to about Williams says she’s one of the most humble and team-oriented players they’ve ever spoken to. She does seem like someone who won’t let success go to her head. Hopefully that doesn’t change.

  • Som Termanni

    Debutants Audax-Corinthians, in their second year of existence, beat Sao Jose 3-1 yesterday for the Copa do Brazil (top-division club championship and Copa Libertadores qualifier). The team featured Brazilian WNTers Thaísa and Camilinha, but 26-year-old goal scorer Chú Santos emerged as a team leader by going on a 7-goal tear over 3 games and finishing the season with 12.

    As a PSA, Jill Ellis told me to remind everyone here not to show Tobin Heath the assist and second Audax goal (by Santos) at 1:30 in the highlights. She’d rather Tobin focus on the outcomes of her plays instead of making them look that good.

    https://youtu.be/_qZJw9D26nE?t=91

    • Kevin

      LOL… the one GK kept coming a mile outside the net and then just gave up and watched. I’ve never seen anything like that in my life.

    • HOFCToDi

      youtube.com/watch?v=oJgTu8Dmi9w
      Ay! Papa!

    • Steglitz49

      São José won the last International Women’s Club Championship in Japan when they defeated Arsenal ladies in the final in 2014.

    • guest

      also remember not to show tobin heath any brazilians diving or looking for fouls inside the opponent’s 18 yard line.

    • Nicole C.

      I think we need a fence like that in Houston!

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  • Steglitz49

    The nominations for the various awards in the Swedish league are now public for the Ladies. Some are known from Brasilia. The list is:
    — Goalie of the year: Hilda Carlén (Piteå IF), Jennifer Falk (Kopparbergs/Göteborg FC), Hedvig Lindahl (Chelsea Ladies FC).
    — Back of the year: Nilla Fischer (VfL Wolfsburg), Jessica Samuelsson (Linköping FC), Linda Sembrant (Montpellier Hérault SC).
    — Midfielder of the year: Lisa Dahlkvist (Paris Saint-Germain FC/KIF Örebro DFF), Caroline Seger (Paris Saint-Germain FC/Olympique Lyonnais), Marta Vieira Da Silva (FC Rosengård).
    — Forward of the year: Stina Blackstenius (Linköping FC), Tabitha Chawinga (Kvarnsveden IK), Pernille Harder (Linköping FC).
    — The MVP of Damallsvenskan: Tabitha Chawinga (Kvarnsveden IK), Pernille Harder (Linköping FC), Marta Viera Da Silva (FC Rosengård).
    — Rookie of the year: Cajsa Andersson (Linköpings FC), Ellen Löfkvist (Piteå IF), Johanna Rytting Kaneryd (Djurgårdens IF FF).
    — Coach of the year: Stellan Carlsson (Piteå IF), Yvonne Ekroth (Djurgården IF FF), Martin Sjögren (Linköping FC).

    Linköping FC won the gold in Damallsvenskan, which is obviously reflected in the nominations. The champions have 4 names who all can be praised, lauded and magnified — Jessica Samuelsson (back), Stina Blackstenius (attack), Pernille Harder (attack + mvp) and Martin Sjögren (coach).

    The candidates for the Diamond Ball are not made public in advance. It is simply awarded on the night.

    • Steglitz49

      I will expand on this list myself in the absence of any takers after 4 hours.

      Lindahl, Fischer, Samuelsson, Sembrandt, Dahlkvist, Seger, Blackstenius played in the Miracle on Grass aka the Bomb in Brasilia.

      I hope that Samuelsson gets an award. Maybe even POTY for FIFA.

  • mockmook

    Speaking of the NWSL, I think this is a final list:

    2016 NWSL Players
    to AUS W-League 2016/2017

    Dowie
    K.Simon

    Colaprico
    DiBernardo
    Gilliland
    Hoy
    Huerta
    S.Johnson
    Mautz
    Naughton

    Henninger
    Ochs
    L.Williams

    Arlitt
    Tymrak

    Alleway
    Catley
    Evans
    Monica
    Spencer

    Boureille
    Raso

    Barnes
    Fishlock
    K.Fletcher

    S.Kerr
    Stanton

    Nairn
    Oyster
    Stengel
    Wys

    Kennedy

    —————

    Brush (waived)
    Nielsen (waived)

    If I’ve left somebody on or off by mistake, I hope someone will correct me.

    Eight CRS players staying sharp in the off-season bodes well for CRS 2017.

    And, though it is a puny two players for FCKC, I think Tymrak and Arlitt going to AUS is very significant — these are their most technical attacking players, and both badly need to shape up their games.

    • Steglitz49

      Happy holidays. Goodbye USWNT. Welcome home Matildas.

      Weather should be good, the wine is cheap and plentyful and the beaches more than OK. As for finding love down under? Stranger things have happened.

    • Breakers fan

      You’d think the Breakers players would be jumping at the chance to go to Australia to play this Winter. The fact that only 1 is (can’t really count Simon) is depressing. Seems telling about the culture – a sort of disenchantment or apathy would be my first guess in describing it. What are these players doing over the Winter? Gotta wonder if an exodus will occur. News came that they made 2 signings: Verdoia and King and a new signing will be announced next week.
      Chicago with 8 going is very impressive.

      • Steglitz49

        It is a paid for holiday in the sun. The wine is of excellent quality but cheap. No need to pack a season’s worth of condoms when size.adjusted local ones are available.

        • Steg World

          Why do you bring up sex and condoms in an article about WNT camp call-ups? Seeking any outlet for troll obsession.

          • mockmook

            And, that is why, for the most part, I ignore S49 — regardless of how many “interesting” things he has to say, he always ruins it by going to into these creepy reveries.

            So, unless a pertinent word or phrase happens to catch my eye, I don’t read him at all.

          • Steglitz49

            I am still waiting for a thorough review and analysis of the Bomb in Brasilia aka Miracle on Grass.

            It is, of course, great for many and various players in the NWSL to get to play in Australia in the off season and just like the Aussies coming to the NWSL, it helps to grow WoSo in Australia. At the same time one wonders whether these young ladies might not be better off focusing on something else in their off season. After all, unless you are a member of the USWNT, you don’t earn much so you must needs concentrate on setting up your life after soccer.

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          you are a disgusting person

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      • mockmook

        Hey Bf, have some more NCAA players to keep an eye on:

        Charlotte Williams (So) M — PSU

        Nickolette Driesse (Sr !!!) M — PSU

        BTW, I’ve seen some of Skolmoski now — pretty feisty.

        • Breakers fan

          Thanks for the recs. I’ve seen Charlotte Williams, last year and this, and totally agree with you. She’s feisty as hell and skilled to boot. There are a bunch of good Sophomores, I’ve noticed. Don’t know Driesse so thanks for that one – will check her out when I get a chance. The Breakers definitely need help at midfield.
          Did you see Rose’s 2 goal game vs. Rutgers the other night? Really good goals and clutch as that helped Wisconsin get in the Big Ten tourney for sure and get a better seed in that tournament. Seeing that game reminded me of Erin Smith, the, to me, top-notch right back, but she’s also listed as a forward. She was on that same backline as Skroski and Reed last year. I’d forgotten about her.

          • mockmook

            Yes, I caught a lot of that game (WIS vs RUT).

            Lavelle seemed very determined — she also seems healthy, which is great this late in the season.

            Driesse plays at DM (from what I’ve seen). But, looks to me she could play CAM as well.

          • Breakers fan

            I agree. That was her last game on the home field of her college career. They talked to her after the game – not sure if you saw that. I kind of wondered if she had even a shred of regret for not going to a bigger powerhouse but you could tell by what she said about Wisconsin that she does not. Every successive time I have seen Rose my estimation of her goes up. I’m supremely torn between whether the Breakers should select her or Jordan. Absolutely baffling to me which is the “better” selection. Both seem like they’d help tremendously. For me it may come down to, strangely enough, Westphal’s attitude towards being a Breaker under Beard. I saw that CW just was down in Florida so there is no doubt in my mind that she spoke to Jordan about what it’s like to be a Breaker. I think if she gave a negative review that would really hurt the notion of Jordan coming here with a positive attitude. For all I know it was a thumbs up from Christen but that seems a little less likely considering their usage of her last year. Just trying to suss out what is the best move to make with that first pick. Now watch: They’ll trade it. If they do I may boycott the season.

          • Steglitz49

            “her” — which of all the players mentioned in your thread is “her”?

            Is Rose the Canadian lass from the U17 world cup?

          • Breakers fan

            Rose Lavelle, American, Univ. of Wisconsin, Senior.

          • HOFCToDi

            2017 NWSL College Draft

            allwhitekit.com/?p=15061#more-15061

            MF (AMC)
            Lavelle, Rose
            Andrews, Morgan
            Shaffer, Alexis

            By the way, I am completely incensed with your gal McCaffrey. Too lazy to go on a loan stint?

            Hoy Heading Overseas for Newcastle Jets FC

            chicagoredstars.com/hoy-heading-overseas-for-newcastle-jets-fc/

          • Breakers fan

            I’ve watched those 3 players play multiple times. Now I want to see players on Henderson’s list that I’m yet to see. I like all 3 of those you list a lot.

            Wouldn’t call McCaffrey “my gal” necessarily. But I agree that she’d be better served going overseas than staying here and just working out or whatever American players do who don’t go overseas. The more I think about it the more I’ll say — and I say this due to the example of Mollie Pathman who I read played a lot in boys’, men’s games in her off-season — that you can’t generalize about “offseasons not spent abroad” too much — that if McCaffrey or anyone else did what Pathman did then her off-season can be considered fruitful.

          • HOFCToDi

            Oh please!

            If the Westfield W-League is willing to take the worst starting centerback in the NWSL, the Westfield W-League is willing to take anybody.

            Johnson Ready to Head Overseas

            chicagoredstars.com/johnson-ready-to-head-overseas/

          • Breakers fan

            You discount my argument. I don’t discount it. End of discussion. Talk to McCaffrey about it – she’s on Twitter.

          • Steglitz49

            According to Wiki, Stephanie McCaffrey attended Buckingham Browne & Nichols. That tells you all you need to know.

            I doubt that she is hurting from money. No doubt Steph has a plan for her life and 100% soccer is probably no longer central to her longterm.

          • Guest

            Buckingham Browne and Nichols gives scholarships. My friend from college was from far from a wealthy background and went there for free. That said, I don’t know anything about her fnancial situation but you can’t necessarily judge

          • Steglitz49

            You can. I contend that if she had been a Scholarship Girl, it would be there. BBN would have made sure of it because it would have counted them for merit.

            About 8-10 years ago they built a fine sports complex. It is on the right as you turn on to Storrow Drive when you come in from rt 2 having passed Fresh Ponds and the water purification plant, more or less opposite Mt Vernon hospital. You know where I mean, if you know Cambridge — Cambridge MA not England, obviously.

          • Breakers fan

            Do you know how valuable playing against quality soccer-playing guys can be for a woman? Think about it. Not saying McCaffrey will do this but if that is in her plans then that would be good. You’ll also see I also basically agreed with you that it would be better if she went overseas. Not being her agent you can take it up with her beyond that.

          • HOFCToDi

            If … If … If

            All you have provided is hypotheticals.

            Enjoy those 2017 NWSL College Draft Picks, the Chicago Red Stars were taken to the cleaners.

          • Breakers fan

            True, but it’s not without precedent in the women’s game. Let’s revisit this after hearing about her off-season and even more importantly seeing her performance next year. Again, I’m basically in agreement with you. I started this by bemoaning how few Breakers are playing overseas. I’m now just thinking of what could constitute a productive off-season for those who don’t.

          • HOFCToDi

            I’m bemoaning how few American players are willing to go on loan to the Japan Women’s Football League. New Zealand captain Abby Erceg went on loan to Japan last year and Abby Erceg has accrued over 100 international caps.

            chicagoredstars.com/red-stars-loan-abby-erceg-to-as-elfen-saitama/

          • Breakers fan

            Yes, Kristie Mewis did this a few years ago and she reported that it was a great experience for her. I guess the language barrier is why more go to Aus. than Japan.

          • HOFCToDi

            The comments from Abby Erceg are spot on.

            stuff.co.nz/sport/football/nz-teams/72908950/football-ferns-captain-abby-erceg-joins-japan-club-as-elfen-saitama-on-loan

            “Playing in Japan offers me the opportunity to develop new skills, particularly technically, as Japan is known for their precision playing style. I look forward to bringing these new adaptations into my game for the Football Ferns.”

          • Steglitz49
          • Steglitz49

            As Breakers Fan notes, K Mewis did and RVH also and before them Moros and Yanez were there for a couple of years. Elizabeth Eddy of WNY went and played with Miyama in her team.

            Japan are welcoming to US players. Odd that not more take up the chance.

          • Arcie Tillydee

            No kidding (re: playing against men)! Look at the difference it made for Allie Long. The off-season she spent playing (mostly futsal) in NY against male players improved her speed of play, both physically and mentally. The results are obvious.

          • another guest

            Australian/Westfield W-league is a woso development league. Many of the players are young (15 and up) amateur players (who this year finally get an expense allowance) with roster limits (up to 4 foreign/international player per team) , team salary cap (team min $35k max $150K) and short season (which also conflicts with many European leagues) that impact the overall number of Australian WNT and other WNT players.

          • Steglitz49

            I contend they primarily go down under as a paid holiday with sun and frolicking on the beach. The wine is good too and cheap. Romance could be in the air.

          • Steglitz49

            Maybe nobody wanted her? Maybe she has a big trust fund and can afford to stay home and garden, build violins or cruise bars?

          • Steglitz49

            Thank you. There was a bar/restaurant in CT called “Rosie’s Tomorrow”. It was a charmingly eccentric place and they always tried to find you a space somewhere. Let’s trust that Rose’s future is bright.

          • mockmook

            Just to be pedantic:

            WIS could get a home game in the BIG10 tournament if there were all kinds of upsets in the first round — though, I suppose, they could play on a different field than the regular season one.

          • Breakers fan

            No, good point, I hadn’t thought of that! I was assuming it was unequivocally Rose’s last home game, so thank you. Could happen.

          • mockmook

            For your sake, I hope all the college players are willing to give it a go there (especially when they notice how much fresh blood is going to come in).

          • Breakers fan

            Thanks. It’ll be fascinating to see. If it collapses, and many choose not to come, I will blame the owner above all for not seeing how big of a problem existed.

          • Steglitz49

            In spite of its poor seasons, Boston has managed to grow its tickets sold. Their attendance is not too bad given everything and certainly better than Chicago’s.

            Because it is a draft, the players must go in with an attitude of I will serve this team. That is not only their duty but should be their joy. If they do not want to go the draft route, they could try to find a team abroad and then come in though the discovery route. Given the lean years ahead for the USWNT, maybe abroad can be the best option.

          • mockmook
          • Breakers fan

            Thanks for that. Gotta love Rose’s humility in not demanding that she had spent her college years at a soccer powerhouse. Says a lot about her.

          • HOFCToDi

            2016 NWSL Draft – Chris’ FINAL (Probably) Big Board

            20. Christen Westphal – MF (CM), D (CB) – Florida

            allwhitekit.com/?p=14717#more-14717

          • Breakers fan

            Interesting. He’s just one guy with opinions- and who knows how many games he watched in making up this list. That’s way down to place Westphal. I am nowhere near dismissing her as a potentially very good player, but she does need to be in a situation where she is at least starting and playing basically 90 every game. After a season of that we’ll have a much better sense of her abilities.

          • Breakers fan

            Thanks for that info about Driesse. How would you describe her as a player? You have me curious about her now…

          • Steglitz49

            How does one assess a defender?
            Attackers are easy: goals and assists.

            What makes Jessica Samuelsson such a great defender? She has been nominated along with Linda Sembrant and Nilla Fischer for Sweden’s Defender of the Year. I expect Jessica to get the award but I can’t honestly say why in detail. I can’t put a figure, a number or ratio, on my assessment.

          • Breakers fan

            I think it comes down to personal observation, in how one assesses a defender’s worth. If you see both of them a lot I bet you have a feeling, assuming you don’t have some extra-soccer preference, for who you think is better. It’s a cumulative thing based on a lot of observation over time. Who’s more reliable, what are the skills of each, who’s faster, who’s tougher, who’s the better, more consistent passer? Does one of them pose a greater offensive threat,perhaps on set pieces at the other end? All those kinds of things.

          • mockmook

            I was pondering the other day how much effort it takes to watch what the defenders are doing individually and collectively.

            Our (or is it just me?) attention is so strongly drawn to the attackers and the ball, so that, what happens by the defense becomes an afterthought.

          • Breakers fan

            I agree with this by and large – by that I mean, this happens to me too, to a great extent. But then sometimes I consciously decide to really focus on a defender, which usually proceeds one doing something that opens my eyes. Or maybe you get lucky and notice “oh, her again, ok” – as one makes several noticeably, apparent very good plays. But on the whole I’m with you. Noticing them usually comes from them doing something very noteworthy rather than me being able to give them equal focus or “airtime” in my viewing of the game.

            This year, however, like with Maddie Bauer, I’ll intentionally focus on a highly thought of Senior just so I can form an opinion about whether I think the Breakers should draft her. I have that extra motivation this season.

          • HOFCToDi

            Keep your paws off Maddie Bauer. The Chicago Red Stars need a major upgrade over Samantha Johnson, 18 yard box ball watcher extraordinaire.

          • Breakers fan

            Who knows who the Breakers are targeting at defender? I have no clue if anyone in the organization is even watching games. My guess is that they’ll watch some of the NCAA tourney and then just rely on talking to college coaches. They’ve had a few months to watch college games, but have they been doing it?
            There are other good defenders besides Bauer. I’m nowhere near an expert but I’ve seen several. Many good teams I haven’t even seen play yet.

          • Steglitz49

            They should ask Lolo Schillgard to chat to Jessica Samuelsson. If Mônica can play for Orlando, why not Jessica for Boston?

          • Steglitz49

            If Chicago were to ask Jessica Samuelsson nicely, maybe she will hop across the pond? (Mônica already plays for Orlando.)

          • HOFCToDi

            Jessica Samuelsson is a fullback not a centerback.

            en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jessica_Samuelsson_(footballer)

            You truly are a Swedish dumbass.

          • Steglitz49

            Jessica Samuelsson was the main reason why the USWNT was sent packing without medals but with their worst exit ever. Worst. Ever. Not bad but worst. Worst ever.

          • HOFCToDi

            Talking out of your arse, as usual.

            Shots Attempted
            USA – 27
            SWE – 6

            New Zealand displayed a better defensive effort.

            Shots Attempted
            USA – 12
            NZL – 4

          • Hugo

            Olympics 2016 semifinal participation
            USA – 0
            Sweden – 1
            .
            Olympics 2016 final participation
            USA – 0
            Sweden – 1
            .
            Olympics 2016 soccer medal count
            USA – 0
            Sweden – 1

          • HOFCToDi

            2014 FIFA World Cup
            Group Stage Participation
            USA – 1
            SWE – 0

            2014 FIFA World Cup
            Knockout Stage Participation
            USA – 1
            SWE – 0

            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
            Quarterfinals participation
            USA – 1
            SWE – 0

            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
            Semifinals participation
            USA – 1
            SWE – 0

            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
            Final participation
            USA 1
            SWE – 0

            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
            USA – Gold Medal
            SWE – nada, nothing, zilch

          • Hugo

            You may also want to post some results of the 17th century.

            We are in 2016!

            Any enlightening statistics about Olympics or the U17 WC ?

          • Hugo

            HOFCToDi where are you?

            Are you changing your gloves?

          • HOFCToDi

            youtube.com/watch?v=G4zLHV8Ycco
            By the way, that’s not SWE.

          • Hugo

            Yesterday’s poster posts yesterday’s results

          • newouth
          • Steglitz49

            Given the size of the USA, it is an enormous challenge. You need to see them in the flesh to appreciate a defender. Attackers by and large look good on the small screen but to get the full flavor of the defender, you must be in the stand.

            To my mind, the best defenders in Brazil were Jessica Samuelsson and Mônica. Seeing that Mônica already plays in the NWSL maybe some team can lure Jessica across.

          • rkmid71

            Agree. You look for the same things as attacking players (acceleration/agility, ball skills, awareness/soccer iq). You’re right in that they don’t have as many ESPN highlights as those are all about the goals and not even about the passes leading to the goal. As Cruyff said, it’s about the other 87 minutes when you don’t have the ball. And playing simple doesn’t give you individual highlights…but it helps the team win. Defenders generally don’t have the luxury of taking a lot of risk, even if they are capable. That’s why the Japanese women seldom get their due as individuals as they should…except Miyama who hits those brilliant free kicks (those can’t be ignored). Japanese coaches seem to know though. Japan doesn’t give up many goals because they possess the ball so much — shouldn’t their defenders get some credit? Of course they weren’t in Brazil, but you know what I mean.

          • Steglitz49

            Thank you for your kind words.

            I am probably an exception but the names of the Japanese backline was: Kinga, Kumagai, Iwashimizu and Samishima (aka Shark Island Girl).

            Aya Sameshima had signed to play for Houston in their very first season and gotten her jersey but got injured just before the start of the season. Aya had actually played in the US before WC-11. I think she has put her boots on the shelf.

            Saki Kumagai went to Frankfurt and from thence to Lyon. Iwashimizu always played in Japan but Kinga has gone to Australia.

            It is hard to ignore Aya Miyama and her freekicks and penalties. Because of the efficiency of the PR-machine, we think of WC-11 final as Alex Morgan’s coming-out party but it was really Miyama’s match.

          • #1Fan

            Japan press. They defend by winning it back early and high. If you actually can attack them, they break fairly routinely. The defenders are not that good at defending for any extended period, but great at recycling possession.

          • Steglitz49

            The Golden period of the Nadeshiko started in 2010 and ended in 2016 with their failure to qualify for OG-16.

            In that period only a couple of teams defeated them — England and the US in tournaments, maybe also North-Korea and Australia but I would have to check. In OG-12 Sweden tied them 0-0 but in WC-11 Japan swept them aside. France and Germany beat them in friendlies (including the Algarve cup).

          • #1Fan

            vs Japan, if you are composed enough to make the first 2 passes out of pressure, you can hurt them big time. The US usually struggle to do that. Even n the WC Final they struggled to do that. the goals mostly came from set pieces and special situations.

          • DNG

            They may have struggled to do that at the WC but it was something I thought they did in the second friendly in June a coulple of times. The threat of Japan losing the ball themselves and giving up chances to the US on the counter will likely alway be a problem for them even if the US continue to struggle to break the press.

          • rkmid71

            I believe the US struggles to do that because they have selected the wrong players for the job. Other teams are taking the high pressure approach as well versus US (at least for part of the game) (eg. England).

          • DNG

            I’m a little concerned with the US current back line options against a good pressing team. I just don’t think many are that great at moving the ball quickly with limited touches. England were certainly excellent at applying pressure for force turnover and limit the danger of the US.

          • #1Fan

            Agreed. its why JJ is a liability vs a good press. CMs also need to work a lot harder off the ball to receive and cycle. I wonder how they practice vs a press in camp becasue I dont see any players who run it efficiently

          • rkmid71

            Defenders are taken for granted by fans. Usually only noticed when they mess up, last ditch clear off the line, or have a brilliant assist or goal, I do think coaches have a much better idea based on those statistical analyses for every player: heat maps, long and short passes completion rate, crosses, tackles, challenges (ground and aerial), interceptions, successful dribbles, average positioning and team possession stats. Technically competent defenders can be among the highest rated players on a team — even with the more heavily valuing or weighting of attacking versus defending actions. But inevitably all people (media, fans) talk about is goal scorer — not how goals were created or the often collective actions which led to the goal.

          • DNG

            The reason this happens is because most fans tend to focus on plays of significance that happen over the course of a match. It’s difficult if not impossible to remember the little details unless you are looking for them and recording them. This leads to things like remembering Sonnett’s giveaway in her own zone or Lloyd’s rocket goal from the recent matches. Fans then end up defining those players performances on those great plays or blunders.

            An example of a defender with a reputation for making mistakes defining his play more negatively than deserved is David Luis. Yeah, from time to time he makes a big mistake that leads to a great chance/goal. However, most of the time he is actually an athletic and solid defender and his passing range and passing ability out of the back is excellent. Yet, when most people think about him, they can’t help but remember Brazil’s 7-1 defeat at the hands of Germany.

          • rkmid71

            “it’s the little details that are vital. Little things make big things happen.” ~ John Wooden

            If you want a winning team and the best team possible, coaches need to focus on those details and look for them and record them. Attacking players have the luxury of making many more mistakes, giveaways, poor play, etc with less consequence (because the defenders and midfield are covering their rear end). Why didn’t Brazil’s attacking players step up against Germany and score more goals? Why didn’t they win 8-7 if that’s what it took in that game? It’s often cheap giveaways by attacking players that contribute to goals allowed. It’s not just the defenders. It’s the team. You defend as a team and attack as a team.

          • DNG

            Well my point about the Brazil Germany match was more that it is just one match. The defending in that match from Brazil was abhorrent. I do agree with your overall premise that you win and lose as a team and also that all 11 player including the keeper are responsible for contributing to the defending. And yeah, the attacking from Brazil in that match could have been much better too.

          • rkmid71

            And also that all 11 players including the keeper are responsible for contributing to the attacking, midfielders and OBs having to be capable of doing both to a greater degree. Makes me wonder what was happening in the Brazil midfield during that 7-1 debacle.

          • Steglitz49

            Brazil was missing Thiago Silva because of 2 yellow cards. Without Thiago Silva organizing their defense, Brazil was lost.

            Thiago Silva holds a huge place in the hearts of hearts of WoSo because as Captain of PSG he went along to as many PSG Ladies matches as possible and encourage his team-members to do likewise.

          • Steglitz49

            Stop amking pointless comaprisons to male players when there is a perfectly good female example at hand, which involves Brazil.

            Brazil’s ladies inflicted the worst defeat ever on Sweden’s in the group game, 5-1, but when it came to the SF, Sweden had sorted itself out. The obvious difference in terms of players was that jessica Samuelsson was back playing for Sweden.

          • mockmook

            “You defend as a team and attack as a team.”

            So, you shouldn’t have focused on “attacking players” — because in the next instance, those same players are defenders.

          • Steglitz49

            Sweden’s ladies in the knock-out stages of OG-16 showed how you “defend as a team” just like Iceland’s men in Euro-16 and before them the Golden Generation of Japan’s Nadeshiko and the US U20 ladies in their 2012 WC final.

            Defending as a team is hard work. You must stay focused, be highly organized and continually adjust your position whilst hoping that when you get a counter-attack it results in a goal fo your side.

            Kealia Ohai has gotten zilch out of her goal in 2012 compared to for example Alex Morgan or Stina Blackstenius.

          • rkmid71

            “Defending is hard work” — it is also a skill set. Discipline, teamwork, awareness / reading the game along with technical skills. My feeling is and has been that if JE truly focused on defense and DCM and selecting players with experience and a track record in those positions – rather than convert offensive players like Horan, Ohara, Brian, Kling, etc just to apparently find a place for them on the team — the US would actually score a lot more goals in the run of play. It would provide a much better supporting platform for our forwards and attacking mids to score goals. I have some sympathy for our forwards.

          • Steglitz49

            The Swedish defense against the US consisted of:
            Linda Sembrant (Montpellier, Fra), Nilla Fische (Wolfsburg, Ger), Jessica Samuelsson (Linköping, who won the league this year); Lisa Dahlkvist (PSG & Örebro), Kosse Asllani (PSG & Man City), Elin Rubensson (Götebrorg, formerly of Rosengård) and Caroline Seger (PSG now Lyon).

            Nilla Fischer organized the back line and Caroline Seger the MF. Lisa Dahlkvist provide the glorious pass and Stina Blackstenius finished the job.

          • rkmid71

            True.Btw — I’d like to see those attacking players asked to expend more energy pressuring and harassing defenses high up the field. That’s why I like Dunn up there. We’ve got more quality depth at forward and all positions than any team — sub them out when/if they get tired. And put the more technical players (doesn’t mean less athletic) in defense so when we win the ball we can keep it.

          • Steglitz49

            It sounds as if you are describing Japan in their Golden Period.

          • Steglitz49

            You can’t compare male players with female players except in a transferred way.

          • DNG

            I wasn’t comparing the players just people’s perception of players and matches. I would argue that there is overlap there and between other sports as well.

          • Steglitz49

            Like biathlon? or, tiddlywinks?

          • Ethan

            After reading comments about Sonnett’s ability on the ball and her tendency to make occasional defensive blunders, I immediately thought of Luiz. I haven’t been able to watch as many minutes of Chelsea’s matches as I would have liked to so far this season, but the mistakes seem to be pretty limited, if non existent. I would have to say though that his passing is pretty highly praised by a lot of people. Agreed on your whole first paragraph.

          • DNG

            My point was that Luiz’s good qualities(athletic, quality defender, passing ability, skill on the ball) are often forgotten about because of the occasional blunder that is so shocking, it makes you wonder what he’s doing playing top level football.

          • Steglitz49

            Own goals count against them too — as if they kicked the ball on purpose into their own goal.

          • #1Fan

            Defenders who specialize in defending are certainly overlooked. The attacking O/B is lauded and often her defensive liabilities overlooked

          • Steglitz49

            It is a bit of semantics, is it not? In the good old 2-3-2-3 formations that men played before the 60s, the outside halves were expected to both defend and attack.

            When two WoSo teams are balanced they often play 4 in the back though I noticed that formally Sweden played a 3-4-3 against the US and Germany but a 3-5-2 against Brazil, though to be honest it looked more like 4-5-1 against the US and Brazil and 4-4-2 against Germany.

            The Germans love their wing-backs but they also rotate the system so that when the OB go up the CB move out and 2 from MF fall back.

          • rkmid71

            That’s what I don’t understand. If you care about winning, why would the liabilities be overlooked? If I recall my accounting, assets – liabilities = equity. Just pick the players with the greatest equity. I guess I wouldn’t complain so much if the USWNT was scoring a lot more goals in the run of play against good teams, then I could see the tradeoff was working. That’s not what I’m seeing.

          • Steglitz49

            Indeed. Defenders have to fill such different roles for different coaches but in the end it comes down to stripping or robbing an attacker of the ball without incurring a freekick, intercepting passes and blocking shots. Over and over again.

            We usually divide them into OB and CB and then left and right. Thus, defense is 4 different positions and if you chuck DMs into the pot you have another 2 or 3 to consider.

            In Brazil, to my mind Jessica Samuelsson was the best defender. Some might say that Mônica was as good.

            Of the MFs in Brazil, it is a toss-up between Sara Däbritz and Melanie Leupolz but both are attacking MFs. If you want a defensive MF it would be Lisa Dahlkvist.

          • mockmook

            Errr — have to see her more to really answer that question, but for the moment, I’ll call her very Charlotte Williams-esque 🙂

          • Breakers fan

            That’s good enough for me! thanks. Will definitely zero in on her the next PSU game I see.

          • #1Fan

            Driesse is a NJ kid. have seen her for HS days. Was very highly touted and then after playing a lot as Freshman at FSU things went south. More of an attacking player than DM . Good kid as well. I wish er the best
            Has won 2 College Cups now @ FSU and PSU

        • Breakers fan

          Also, glad you like Skolmoski. I saw she’s 2nd in the Pac-12 in scoring.

    • Steglitz49

      Fishlock I do not understand ecept as a paid holiday in the sun.

      • Rdalford

        Fishlock was a player (co-capt) and an assistant coach with Melbourne City in the last (2015/2016) w-league season. She may be building her coaching resume along with playing. Nothing wrong with getting paid to play/coach and enjoying the Australian summer.

        • Steglitz49

          Thank you. Jess won the Champions League with Frankfurt in 2015. Though she did not play in the final, FF asked for a winners medal for her, which she got. Jess was popular with the fans and management but did not enjoy her time at the club. She has never said why, but the other players spoke German so it is easy to imagine feeling a bit of an outsider.

          Jess has a Green Card and, as far as I know, a love interest in Seattle. Maybe she is looking to get a spot with any female team that Man City wants to start in the USA.

          It is Jess’s misfortune to be Welsh. She used to be captain of their NT. While Scotland at last qualified for a major tournament, Wales has bit to go yet. Jess would be a given in any NT.

      • dw

        I don’t understand any of it really. From what I understand, W-League pay won’t cover the cost of airfare and living expenses.

        • Steglitz49

          Maybe airfare and a host family are included?

          Before the players in the NWSL started going there as snowbirds, quite a few Europeans from the nations playing summer seasons went down under.

          Melbourne City is part of the Man City stable, so Man City could be in the picture somewhere.

        • mockmook

          Good competition and good training with others in the off-season — what’s not to like?

          • Steglitz49

            At least they speak English, not german, French, Swedish or Norwegian, let alone Icelandic. Good cheap wine and warm weather.

    • another guest

      I believe these are already accounted for in your list of NWSL in W-league.
      from article on The Women’s Game ,
      confirmation re Colaprico & Huerta
      “Chicago Red Stars duo Danielle Colaprico and Sofia Huerta have been signed, on loan, by Adelaide United for the 2016/17 W-League.
      Colaprico and Huerta join Red Stars teammate Katie Naughton at the Reds and, along with Brazilian international Monica, complete Adelaide’s four international signings.”

    • FlyingSquirrel42

      No Huster this year?

      • mockmook

        No Huster. Maybe she needs some time off.

  • Bruce

    Anyone have a recommendation for viewing upcoming W-League games online? Are there online-streams? USAGoals? YouTube reposts?

    • mockmook

      If I remember correctly, in previous seasons, people have talked about a Game of the Week that is on-line.

      Hopefully, they will step forward with some knowledge.

    • Steglitz49

      You can generally get one DFB game each week and some of the ladies Champions League are streamed by individual teams, I think. There is no shortage of female soccer to watch and much of it for free.

      • HOFCToDi

        You can refill your prescription of Ritalin.

        • Steglitz49

          Sara Däbritz and Melanie Leupolz rule OK.

          • HOFCToDi

            Your pharmacy awaits.

          • Steglitz49

            Let’s wait and see the nominations for voting for FIFA POTY. Will there be any American in that list?

            There ought to be 2 or 3 Germans, 2 or 3 Swedes, at least 1 if not 2 Canadians, the obiquitous Marta but maybe also Mônica this time.

          • Hugo

            Ada Hegerberg

          • Steglitz49

            Indeed. Maybe also a Dutch lass like Miedema?

            England and Japan having sat out OG-16 maybe get none though a foreigner like Lindahl playing for Chelsea might be nominated (Asllani in Man City is less likely).

          • Hugo

            I would like to go for Leupolz or Asllani. But I fear they don’t deserve it (yet)

          • Steglitz49

            Seeing that the list of candiate coaches contains Ellis and Bergeroo, heaven only knows who the candidate players will be.

            No doubt there will be at least one yank and one frog in the list and probably some duds too.

            I doubt that Asllani will ever get it but Leupolz might.

    • WosoFan11

      For some reason my comment got marked as spam when I pasted the link, so I won’t paste it again, but I heard you can watch some of the W-League matches on Australia’s ABC tv station website. To find it, google search “W-league ABC”

      Hope that helps!

    • mockmook
  • Steglitz49

    8 more comments and we break 400.

    • HOFCToDi

      Nearly 37,000 posts of pure gibberish.

      • Steglitz49

        Pure. I like that. Purity.

        • HOFCToDi

          Pure garbage.

          • Steglitz49

            The Bomb in Brasilia is known as the Miracle on Grass.

  • Steglitz49

    The lasses of Bristol City beat Everton 3-2 and thereby secured promotion back to FAWSL1.

    • HOFCToDi

      You need to be relegated back to kindergarten.

      • Steglitz49

        The young ladies of Bristol might take a dim view of you. No Bristol Cream for you.

        • HOFCToDi

          The young ladies of Bristol already take a dim view of you.

          • Steglitz49

            Yeovil Town LFC are joining Bristol in the FAWSL1

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  • KCFan

    Now that Erika Tymrak has joined Melbourne FC, I have to add the W-League to my viewing schedule. Anybody know if the games are webcast? It should be fun watching her tear up the W-League with her sublime passing skills, shooting accuracy, not to mention her quick feet and all-around cheekiness. Hmm, I wonder if they keep a “fouls suffered” stat down under…

    • Steglitz49

      Yesterday’s player.

      • HOFCToDi

        Yesterday’s poster.

        • Steglitz49

          Mañana por la mañana?

          • HOFCToDi

            gedtestingservice.com/testers/locate-a-testing-center

      • KCFan

        At 25, just hitting her stride.

        • Steglitz49

          It is difficult to see which NT player she might replace and she also had injuries in the past.

    • captainfate

      They just announced that the W-League scored a deal to have their matches aired on ESPN3.

      I’m not sure if it’s all matches or only some, though. I have a feeling it could be 2 matches a week, like how they’re airing it in Australia.

      • mockmook

        Awesome!!!

        Here’s an article confirming it:

        http://www.excellesports.com/news/westfield-w-league-soccer/

      • Som Termanni

        Nothing is “aired” on ESPN3. It’s a streaming service. We’re only getting the matches that air on TV in Australia, and we’re not getting any additional production from ESPN, it’s just a straight paywalled stream of 1-2 games per round.
        I keep seeing this portrayed as “a better TV deal than what the NWSL gets” but it’s only better in the context that the NWSL doesn’t bother to monetize its streams or sell international streaming rights.

        • Steglitz49

          I doubt that many would dial in internationally.

        • mockmook

          Isn’t it “aired” on ESPN3 if you use WIFI?

  • Steglitz49

    It is hotting up in the German Ladies league because various teams either lost or drew. In short this is what the leader-board looks like today:
    Potsdam 15 pts
    Freiburg 14 pts, +11
    Wolfsburg 14 pts, +6
    Bayern Munich 13 pts
    Essen 11 pts

    • HOFCToDi

      Whoop Dee Doo

      • Steglitz49

        A tight league is a glorious league.

        It is good to see Potsdam being competitive again. Even Essen is only 1 pt behind mighty Bayern Munich. Freiburg may stand a better chance. We will know next summer.

        • Dr Strange

          Freiburg is an interesting team. Magull in midfield is fun to watch. Petermann, Starke and new national player Kayikci upfront and many young players such as Zender (Swiss national team) and Gwinn (best German U17 player. And then of course playboy beauty Selina Wagner teaming up with Magull in midfield.
          .
          I am curious how Frankfurt develops. With former national team captain Bartusiak, national players Hendrich and Islacker combined with national players from other countries such as Groenen (Netherlands), Schmidt (Canada), Nagasato (Japan) and Crnogorcevic (Switzerland) they have good players and were able to drew Wolfsburg away this weekend. They have 9 points at present

          • Steglitz49

            Thank you. It is too early to tell and next week there are Champions League matches. We need to revisit this by the 1st of December. I have my doubts about FF, though.

            There seems to be a lot of injuries in the DFB not just this year but every year. Why is this? or is it an illusion?

          • Dr Strange

            It is not an illusion. I conclude the same. I have no clue about the reason. Wrong training or too much intensity? Long and demanding seasons with not enough recovery opportunities? It’s a shame that a young prospect who was considered to become a big star – Kyra Malinowski – had to stop her career quite early while others like Kulig, Lotzen and also Kessler seemed to be always injured. It also seems that there is no international championship – regardless of the age- in which essential players are missing due to injuries
            .
            The U20 team will be the weakest in years. Many key players are either injured or will not be with the team for other reasons (Bremer – I guess Lyon and DFB came to the conclusion that it is better for her not to participate)

          • Steglitz49

            Club teams of other nations are not releasing their U20 players because of the Champions League matches. FIFA needs to sort out when in the calendar they put these tournaments. After all, U17 players rarely play for 1st teams, Gwinn and a couple are exceptions that prove the rule.

            I thought Lena Oberdorf was the best German U17 player, not Gwinn who seemed to choke.

            Isn’t there a U20 player for Essen or some such club who tore her ACL not that long ago?

          • Dr Strange

            The issue of this U20 tournament is the timing. Usually U20 tournaments are played in the summer.

            Due to the location FIFA seems to have decided to have it played it in November (Katar 2022 will be similar)

            I guess a lot of the teams are really annoyed and upset by that FIFA decision.That might be another reason for clubs not releasing players

            Nina Ehegötz (Leverkusen) and Annalena Breitenbach (Jena) tore their ACLs recently

            Gwinn was in all three games of the group phase the best player on the field (including the match against Venzuela). But you are right. She was not at her best against Spain. In that age performances are not stable.

          • Steglitz49

            Thank you. If all those U17 lasses keep playing WoSo for Euro-21 will be awesome, also WC-23.

        • HOFCToDi

          Nobody cares.

          worldfootball.net/attendance/frauen-bundesliga-2016-2017/1/

          • Hugo

            Where are the NWSL attendance figures of that week?

            Oh, it is already too cold for all the school kids who were forced to visit the 3-months-mickey-mouse-league-without-national-players since their parants had no idea what else to do with them during vacation

          • HOFCToDi

            Leave your playground taunts for recess, junior.

          • Hugo

            yes, you really should do that

          • Som Termanni

            D-I NCAA average this weekend was about 700, all postseason tournaments. The worst-attended matches would have been just north of the bottom two Bundesliga teams, and the the best about 150-200 above SC Freiburg.
            Granted, these are unpaid amateurs playing for scholarships at best, so it’s probably not a good comparison to note that Rutgers’s Oct. 30 match outdrew Bayern’s Oct. 29 match by 230.

          • Steglitz49

            You seem keen to defend HOFCToDi. It does you credit but you may live to regret it.

            The German ladies league still averages less than the Swedish ladies did 10-15 years ago but the dial crawls upwards if ever so slowly. So far this season 6 teams are >1000 and one is >990. This should be put into context that 4 of the Swedish teams have managed >1000. The difference is that the poor Swedish teams need every single fan they can muster.

            Next week’s Champions League matches will give us a sign of where attendances stand, seeing that it is already snowing in some of the European towns.

          • Steglitz49

            Meanwhile across the pond:
            http://www.bbc.com/sport/hockey/37826868

          • HOFCToDi

            Nobody cares

    • guest

      spoiler alert!!!!!!!

      2017 german mens league champion- bayern munich
      german mens league runner-up- borussia dortmund

      2017 german ladies league champion- wolfsburg
      german ladies league runner-up- bayern munich

      sorry for giving away the ending so soon.

      • Steglitz49

        Why does Dortmund not have a ladies team? Or, is t called something else?

      • Hugo

        2017 NWSL Shield winner – Portland Thorns

        sorry for giving away the ending so soon

      • Lodovico Settembrini

        Result from today

        VFL Wolfsburg – FFC Turbine Potsdam 0:1

  • mockmook
    • Steglitz49

      Thank you. A wonderful representation but what does it tell us that we do not know already?

      I spotted Eddy and Short close together. Doniak is way out east while Sinclair, Rampone and Skroski occupy and amorphous area. Little and Williams, like Eddy and Ohai, are in the white area.

      • DNG

        I believe the white zone mean that Ohai is above the third quartile for both cross attempts per 90 and cross completion percentage.

        • Steglitz49

          Thanks. Much obliged.

          So, it is opposite to the brain where the grey matter does the thinking, processing and higher activity while the white matter simply transmitts.

          Thus, the upper white quadrant seems to be he place to be and not too many are there even if you include a couple whose circle impinges on the grey matter.

          What do we conclude about HAO who is below the grey area?

          • DNG

            Yeah, the upper right quadrant is the place you want to be. Bottom right tells us that O’Reilly’s cross attempts per 90 are higher than 75% of the league, but her successful cross rate is worse than 75% of the league. That tells me that O’Reilly is able to still get her crosses away, but since she only completes them about 22% of the time she probably shouldn’t cross as much. It’s probably important to note that FCKC crosses the least out of every NWSL team.

          • mockmook

            Doniak!!!

          • DNG

            I don’t know if you played around with the chart anymore but the Flash have, I think, 4 players in the top quartile for both crosses attempted per 90 and successful cross attempts per 90. The only other team close to that is Houston with Beckie and Ohai. Portland didn’t have a single player there albeit they don’t create a lot of their offense from crosses.

          • Steglitz49

            Indeed.

          • Steglitz49

            You posted that diagram so you live with it.

    • DNG

      Stats show Ohai’s an excellent crosser. After my declaration about Heath/Tymrak not really being able to play as forwards(I still feel this way), I started thinking about possible 3-4-3 formations that can also be used. I’ve seen 2 different variations of it used by top EPL teams(Chelsea and City). City’s version is not a fit for the US’s style of players. They play similar to most Pep teams in that they want to get the ball as fast as possible after losing it and hold it. US players want to attack as soon as the get the ball. Chelsea’s goal is to be solid defensively and attack when the openings arise. They rely in the skill of their forwards to break teams down. Chelsea’s three forwards also play more centrally and drop into the midfield when needed in what kind of looks like a 3-4-2-1. Their WB are responsible for the width and are granted freedom to interchange and make runs all over the field. I still have the same CB concerns as I do with any 3 back formation but let’s ignore tat for the moment. Here’s a hypothetical with the most recent roster.

      ———Heath——–Press——–Dunn————
      Ohai———-Sullivan——-Brian———O’hara
      ———–Short——-Long——-Sauerbrunn—-

      • Steglitz49

        To achieve the Miracle on Grass aka Bomb in Brasilia, Sweden officially played a 3-4-3 though it may not have seemed like it once the match got under way.

        Sweden also officially played 3-4-3 against Germany in the final but against Brazil they played 3-5-2.

        The back 3 were Linda Sembrant (Montpellier), Nilla Fischer (Wolfsburg) and Jessica Samuelsson (Linköping).

      • mockmook

        I think we are in agreement that every Lineup/Formation should tell a story.

        But, I also (currently) favor formations that have a strong triangle in the midfield. So, I’m not totally enamored by your formation. If I was going in your 3-4-3 direction, I think I’d go with a Dorrance-ian stagger — and, Forwards who can press:

        http://drawformation.com/post/5819119e5e9b3/sm-5819119e5e9b3.png

        But, as I said, I like a 3-4-3 with a “mid” triangle — here’s one that also has more “finesse” for the Forwards:

        http://drawformation.com/post/581915ea63a51/sm-581915ea63a51.png

        And, just for the heck of it, here’s a variation on the 3-5-2 with Forwards who will swoop in from the wings, or send in crosses. The CAMs will need to act like Forwards in many situations:

        http://drawformation.com/post/58191aa6a0a63/sm-58191aa6a0a63.png

        (All these Lineups assume I’m stuck with JE’s latest roster)

        • DNG

          A flat starting formation doesn’t necessarily stop the players from being able to create triangles. Japan for example are excellent at creating passing triangles even out of the flat 4-4-2. The formation is just a guideline for players and is probably more important to defensive shape with they can high press from or sit deep in a 5-4-1. The three forwards specifically are not tied down to a set area in the attacking third. They can go out wide on their wing or cross the field to the opposite wing and make runs to the spaces they can find on the field. They can also drop into midfield to create the triangle’s you’re looking for and in fact that is one of Hazard/Willian’s roles in this formation for Chelsea. For the US Heath, Dunn, Morgan, Press, Horan, Williams or whoever can drop into the midfield while the other two forwards make the runs into space.

          • mockmook

            “A flat starting formation doesn’t necessarily stop the players from being able to create triangles.”

            But, I’m talking about defending. I want three players clogging up the center of the field (especially if you only have three on your backline). And, I see a formation as what you “relax” to (what you spring back to), where you start from.

          • DNG

            Oh. Okay well I don’t actually see much of a need to use triangles to clog the field while defending. Keeping minimal space between the midfield and defensive line and having the two CMs close together will do that just fine. I think the USs flat 4-4-2 was very solid at the WC because they didn’t allow themselves to get stretched and kept the space between the midfield and the defense tight. That allows their defenders to step in and break up plays when teams try to pass through them. A 5-4-1 shape while defending will be even better for defending the flanks without getting stretched. It’s a very solid defensive shape.

          • mockmook

            It’s not about “triangles” — it just “is” that three players filling up space naturally form a triangle.

            The distinction (when meaningful) among the #6, #8, and #10 is reflective of a triangle:

            http://i0.wp.com/www.americanfootballcoach.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/US-System.png

            The 4-2-3-1 has a distinct triangle in the center/midfield.

            The 3-5-2 as traditionally constructed has a triangle.

            The 4-3-3 as traditionally constructed has a triangle (as in the above picture).

            This isn’t new or unusual or controversial — these formations work and are popular because they provide strength in the midfield.

            That’s why I like my robust mockmook-ian 3-5-2 stagger better than Dorrance’s weak, pathetic 3-4-3 stagger:

            http://drawformation.com/post/58195201bee3d/sm-58195201bee3d.png

            http://drawformation.com/post/5819119e5e9b3/sm-5819119e5e9b3.png

          • DNG

            I don’t think it’s needed for a solid defensive shape. The flat 4-4-2 with vertical and horizontal compactness is a very solid defensive shape and doesn’t include those types of formational triangles. The 4-2-3-1 often transposes into a 4-4-2 while in defense or a 4-5-1. Neither of those transpositions need to have that triangle of the 6 8 and 10. A 4-3-3 can transpose into a 4-5-1 or a 4-1-4-1 either way the key to a solid defensive shape is discipline and tight spacing between each player. A 4-5-1 or 5-4-1 with two flat lines of midfield and defense will clog up the midfield just fine if the defense can keep their vertical and horizontal compactness. The 4-1-4-1 will do the same thing but that extra DM really isn’t needed most of the time while the defense is in it’s set shape. If you’re worried more about defending counters I think that is more of a legitimate worry in this formation but I trust Brian at least and maybe Sullivan to work together to solve those problems and cover for one another. The CBs are my real worry for any 3 back formation at the moment though.

          • mockmook

            “doesn’t include those types of formational triangles”

            DIDN’T I JUST WRITE THAT I DON’T GIVE A CRAP ABOUT TRIANGLES?

            JEEZ!!!!!

            I’m just describing a resultant geometry.

            Of course, any shape can work when all the players are supporting each other AND THEY ARE COVERING ALL THE NECESSARY SPACE on the field.

            But, I hope you agree that certain formations CONCENTRATE players in certain areas. All formations aren’t equal.

            These are different and no matter how good the players are, they would have different results, right? Right? RIGHT????

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6339b39920ab45973ed36db1b931613a5218701c9cba048da43eef0123a1bbd4.png

          • DNG

            I guess I am unclear of what you were criticizing in the 3-4-3 shape. I think you can create strong midfield triangles in the formation if the forwards can drop into midfield and link up effectively. It definitely tends to play more direct than say an 4-3-3 though

            Of course. 5 at the back for example can cover the width on field better than 4 while keeping the back line more horizontally compact due to an extra player. That’s why a lot of teams have adjusted to defend the USWNT with 5 player backlines in an attempt to reduce the US’s advantage on the flanks.

          • mockmook

            “I guess I am unclear of what you were criticizing in the 3-4-3 shape.”

            You are unclear on a lot….good night.

          • mockmook

            “5 at the back for example can cover the width on field better than 4”

            For some reason, perhaps just to be ornery, you can acknowledge that more players in the back can help the backline, but you can’t acknowledge that more players in the midfield can held the midfield.

            It’s mind-numbing.

          • DNG

            I’m pretty sure that I mentioned that I wanted the 3-4-3 to transform into a 5-4-1 in defense which adds the 2 flank attackers into the midfield line. So yes I believe that adding players to the midfield helps too.

          • Steglitz49

            You have perfect examples in the Miracle on Grass aka Bomb in Brasilia (I just changed the order for variation) and the Swe-Bra semifinal to compare with the Swe-Bra group game.

          • kernel_thai

            Hating on triangles? Pythagoras just rolled over in his grave.

          • Steglitz49

            What did Isosceles do?

          • DNG

            Maybe this video can give a better idea of what I’m talking about when I talk about vertical and horizontal compactness clogging up the middle.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_y4aQ8kSEY

            This is Italy defending at the Euros this year. They defend in three lines of players(5 in the defensive line, 3 in the midfield line, and 2 in the forward line) but keep the space between each line very tight. The result is that there are very little space in between their lines for a talented attacker to exploit, thus requiring sequences of near perfect passes to break them down. As you can see from the video that’s a lot easier said then done and the opposing team ends up just passing the ball around in a U shape which is not very threatening to the Italian defense. They are also pretty much defending with 10 behind the ball but were still able to counter Belgium and create dangerous chances.

          • Steglitz49

            Why not simply use the WoSo matches of the Bomb in Brasilia (aka Miracle on Grass) and the Swe-Bra semifinal and compare with the Swe-Bra group game.

            If you want to look at defense in the men’s Euro-16, Iceland is your obvious team.

          • DNG

            Because up until recently there haven’t been a lot of varying tactics present in WoSo matches. I admittedly did not watch the Sweden matches against Brazil and only saw a bit of the Germany Sweden final. Not enough to really see what they were trying to do most of the match. Sweden pretty much played a 4-5-1 low block against the US which was very effective.

          • Steglitz49

            “only saw a bit of the Germany Sweden final” — I put it to you that you are not interested in WoSo.

            (The first Swe-Brazil match was in the US time zone. The second match was a compromise kick-off.)

          • DNG

            I’d argue to the contrary. I’ve watched way more NWSL matches than any other league this year including the EPL, Bundesliga, La Liga. Sweden’s tactics at the Olympics were close to unwatchable for me which resulted in matches I did not have a desire to watch. If watching probably close to around 40+ NWSL matches but failing to watch the Olympic final means I’m not interested in the sport to you, I guess I’m guilty.

        • Steglitz49

          Just analyze the Bomb in Brasilia (aka Miracle on Grass) and the SF between Sweden and Brazil and compare them to the Swe-Bra group game. That will tell you more than you need to know — and is based on what actually happened.

  • Steglitz49

    This becomes the 500th comment. Yeehaw!

  • Som Termanni

    2016 FIFA Best Women’s Coach nominees: http://www.fifa.com/the-best-fifa-football-awards/best-fifa-womens-coach/index.html

    Philippe BERGEROO (FRA)

    Jillian ELLIS (USA)

    John HERDMAN (CAN)

    Silvia NEID (GER)

    Vera PAUW (RSA)

    Gerard PRECHEUR (OL)

    Pia SUNDHAGE (SWE)

    VADÃO (BRA)

    Martina VOSS-TECKLENBURG (SUI)

    Thomas WORLE (Bayern Munich)

    Surprise! No Asian coaches, no coaches of Asian teams.

    I am a bit angry that neither Bruno Bini’s work is not being recognized. He took over a Chinese WNT abandoned by the coach who took them to the ’15 WWC and proceeded to beat the US on their turf in a “victory tour” friendly, beat Japan in Olympic qualifiers, survive the toughest Olympic group (Brazil and Sweden), and put the fear of failure into the gold-medal winners during the quarters. China certainly put up a better plan and match against Germany than Ellis did against Sweden.

    Also not happy that Alen Stajic was also ignored, for many of the same reasons (beat Japan in Olympic qualifiers, took Brazil to PKs on their home turf). To put salt on the wound, Vadao’s bio on the ballot trumpets Brazil’s “dominant display against Australia in the quarter-finals”, which I’d counter that no match decided by PKs is a “dominant display” of anything but how equal the two teams are — especially since Vera Pauw’s bio trumpets that “in-form hosts Brazil had to make do with a scoreless draw”. Bizarre, as with everything FIFA.

    • guest

      Ellis is best at losing to Pia

    • Steglitz49

      Bergeroo is the biggest oddity because he failed a second year in a row and fell on his sword by resigning before he was sacked.

      Ellis is the second biggest oddity.

      I hope thet either Voss-Tecklenburg wins it, if onlt because of her name, but Silvia Neid must be the forerunner.

      • Som Termanni

        Even FIFA’s own PR says Bergeroo was “forced to resign from his post”. Utterly bizarre that he’s on the list and Bini is not; China losing to Germany by 1 goal in the QFs in a rebuilding year is a much greater accomplishment than France losing in the quarterfinals to anyone else. But that would require FIFA to remember that there are nations in Asia other than Japan.

        • Steglitz49

          I contend that neither Ellis nor Bergeroo should be in that list. It is not just a scandal but an embarrassment.

          Was there really no other (female) coach of the WoSo game that could have been nominated? Anna Signeul, who took Scotland to their first ever tournament, and the head coach of Portugal’s lasses. Anyone but those two losers.

    • Steglitz49

      I can’t access the ladies players list. Can you?

      • Som Termanni
        • Steglitz49

          Let’s trust that it is more representative of and reflects reality more appropriately.

          How many US losers in the list? Two, perhaps? How many impotent French? Two too?

        • guest

          and stillllllllllll heavyweight champion of the world………..
          Cristiano Ronaldo!!!!!!!!!!

          • Steglitz49

            You mean Stina Blackstenius, surely?

  • WosoFan11

    I’m happy to see Dunn, Morgan, Ohai, Press, and Williams all on the forwards roster for this camp. I’ll be curious to see the dynamics between Morgan and the new players.

    Also, Andi Sullivan – I’m a fan.

    • Steglitz49

      Press?

      • anon

        I actually think she will be one of the captains in 2019. Sorry, troll.

        • guest

          i think she has unparalleled heart and dedication to soccer… she spent halloween with Heath practicing in portland, while the rest of the team partied

          • Steglitz49

            Maybe Christen and Tobin should have let their hair down and joined in the fun?

          • well

            Pretty sure they have plenty of their own fun

          • Steglitz49

            What do you imply? Trawling bars for local talent? Trick-n-treat with the kids of friends?

        • Steglitz49

          Think what you like but MockMook’s diagram tells a different story.

        • WosoFan11

          Don’t let them work you up anon, not really worth it 😉

          • Steglitz49

            Interpret MockMook’s diagram for us while you are at it, please. We wait on tiptoe with bated breath for your exegesis.

          • WosoFan11

            May you be happy and at peace, my friend.

        • HOFCToDi

          So says anon the moron.

      • sam

        yeah, the player to register the most goals and assists in the least minutes played over the last friendlies. moron.

        • htm222

          stop. responding. to. trolls.

          • Steglitz49

            Trolls trawl truth thoroughly.

        • Steglitz49

          I was only linking to the graph that MockMook uploaded for us, which showed Ohai in a good light, likewise, Williams in the upper white quadrant but in that diagram we find Alex in the upper right quadrant but within the grey while Press is quite far down on the median line and slightly to the left.

        • HOFCToDi

          Christen Press
          2016 Summer Olympic Games
          Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 6, Shots on Goal 1
          Penalty Kicks Attempted 1, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

          Christen Press
          International Women’s Friendly
          18 Sep 2016
          USA 3 NED 1
          Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 2, Shots on Goal 0

          foxsports.com/soccer/boxscore?id=32516

          Christen Press
          2016 Rio Olympics
          12 Aug 2016
          USA 1 SWE 1
          Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 2, Shots on Goal 0
          Penalty Kicks Attempted 1, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

          rio2016.com/en/football-womens-quarterfinal-fb-3

          Christen Press
          2016 Rio Olympics
          09 Aug 2016
          USA 2 COL 2
          Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 4, Shots on Goal 1

          rio2016.com/en/football-womens-first-round-group-g-fb-5

          Christen Press
          International Women’s Friendly
          9 Jul 2016
          USA 1 RSA 0
          Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 2, Shots on Goal 0

          foxsports.com/soccer/boxscore?id=26928

          Christen Press
          International Women’s Friendly
          5 Jun 2016
          USA 2 JPN 0
          Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 2, Shots on Goal 1

          foxsports.com/soccer/boxscore?id=26862

          Christen Press
          International Women’s Friendly
          2 Jun 2016
          USA 3 JPN 3
          Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 2, Shots on Goal 0

          foxsports.com/soccer/boxscore?id=26754

      • HOFCToDi

        Christen Press
        USWNT
        Starts
        2013 – 5/16
        2014 – 14/24
        2015 – 13/26
        2016 – 7/23

        The Christen Press “phase out” is nearly complete.

        Williams, Lynn
        Jordan, Savannah
        Sanchez, Ashley

        • Steglitz49

          Thank you. Nevertheless, I suspect that Ashley Sanchez may have to wait a while to be a regular in the senior WNT.

          • HOFCToDi

            Better to invest in a 20 year old in calendar year 2019 than a 30 year old in calendar year 2019, who incidentally has a four year tournament history of underwhelming performances.

            Christen Press
            2016 Summer Olympic Games
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 6, Shots on Goal 1
            Penalty Kicks Attempted 1, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

            Christen Press
            2016 SheBelieves Cup
            Goals 0, Assists 0

            Christen Press
            2016 CONCACAF Women’s Olympic Qualifying
            Knockout Stage
            Goals 0, Assists 0

          • HOFCToDi

            As a footnote, Christen Press has started 9 of the last 37 matches for the USWNT.

          • Hans Castorp

            Not if she keeps slicing through the top defenses of the YNTs like they’re not even there. U-17: accomplished. U-20: TBD

          • #1Fan

            She sure sliced them up in Jordan :eye roll:

          • Steglitz49

            Thank you. I forborne to state the obvious lest he lashed out at me fro trolling.

          • Hans Castorp

            Ashley Sanchez dominated the top defense of the tournament: Japan.

            Ashley Sanchez was the only player, of the entire tournament, of any nation, to score against them. She did so multiple times.

            Ashley Sanchez scored a goal against the Japanese.

            Ashley Sanchez scored a second goal against the Japanese, that was incorrectly called offside by the ref.

            Ashley Sanchez was about to score a 3rd goal against the Japanese after again dominating their defense, so in desperation they took her down taking their chances with a penalty.

            Ashley Sanchez then scored the penalty she earned.

            Ashley Sanchez again defeated the Japanese defense for an assist to a teammate, who would have scored the 4th goal but the teammate wasn’t as good at holding her run and was a hair offside.

            That Ashley Sanchez was on a terrible team with horrible teammates that couldn’t defend against Japan is no more her fault than it is Mike Trout, the best baseball player of the century, ‘s fault that he’s stuck on the last place Angels.

          • #1Fan

            I don’t mean to be rude, but did you watch the game. Goal 1- long punt form GK, horrendous mistake by 2 CBs who had it covered. Good job AS being in the right spot to take advantage. I think i know 50 16yr olds who score that goal, but well done. Goal 2 – Not even a penalty. But none the less in garbage time, well done to score.

            Im sorry, but for the other 88 mins where was she? Japan were so scared of her dominance they just played their game.

            Your Star driven analysis of the game is exactly why the US struggles. Your attitude is to deflect the responsibility from your so called best player to others. You call them terrible. You insult them. If they won, you would have made it all about AS, and when they lost you give her a pass. Shameful really and a really bad analysis of the game in my opinion. What is your analysis of the Ghana game? I bet you don’t have one. In a wide open attacking game, where was she? Or is that on her team as well.

            Laughable.

          • Hans Castorp

            So you’re just going to ignore the fair goal incorrectly called offside even though that has nothing to do with her skill because it fits your agenda. It would have single handedly have meantg AS carried her team through to the knockout round, even with its garbage defense giving up 3 goals.

            “I think i know 50 16yr olds who score that goal, but well done”

            apparently not one from any of the 16 nations of the tournament, consisting of their best players, none of whom scored any goals whatsoever against Japan, easy, gifted, or otherwise.

            You will keep hating and AS will keep scoring.

          • #1Fan

            Your analysis is so childish. I know 50 16 yr olds who score THAT goal in THAT situation. Clean thru from a defensive error. She created nothing. She took chance that was gifted to her. You continue to call other peoples kids, some as young as 14, garbage. The results are that an AS led team failed to get out of its group. If all you want to talk about are empty goals, go ahead. The reason no one talked about it is because no one, positively no one, is dumb enough to make that case. Im not hating on anyone. I simply pointing out that you have no basis at all for suggesting she cut thru anyone. Again, what happened vs Ghana ? Im waiting.

          • Hans Castorp

            You are indistinguishable from CP apologists. Woulda coulda and shoulda…..Except what actually happened in the tournament, which is Ashley Sanchez was the only player, in the world, to score against the best defense of the tournament. And did so multiple times. (3 by my fair count) Guess those 50 players you know were sitting that one out.

          • #1Fan

            Im waiting for you explanation of what happened vs Ghana? In case you missed it TWO teams went thru. If the great AS managed to score vs Ghana the USA got thru. Your argument is so bad its not worth pointing all the holes in it. Using your logic, other players managed to score vs Ghana.Yes INCLUDING one of her team mates. So what does that mean? It means about as much as you going on about goals vs Japan. NOTHING. AS did not produce when it counted. thats a fact. and no amount of trying to dress it up for the Jpn game changes that. You even want to add a goal and talk about goals that were not counted. You are that desperate to keep the star on top of th tree. That afraid to call it how it was. in this event, she did not bring home the bacon. It happens to great players happens to us all. Its amazing to me that you cannot accept it and have to denigrate her teammates just to make yourself feel better

          • Hans Castorp

            You are the one who has to make an excuse for a goal incorrectly called offside. Go watch it (if you can find it, Fifa has hid it from their site embarrassed by the bad call i guess).

            So because of a bad ref, AS didn’t help her team advance. Wow congratulations. Hire me as a ref and I can make Messi the worst player of all time.

            You’re the one that has an ideology and an agenda. I just see results. If AS scored two goals, I’d say ok she seems the real deal, cant wait to see her at U-20 – but wouldn’t even mention her performance, 1 goal ditto ok good for her she’s got potential, 0 goals, throw her on the garbage heap with her teammates.

            3 fair goals is notable, and even more notable that just mentioning it brings out the haters in droves, who trip over themselves to point out that AS didn’t advance (thanks to bad defense from her teammates, and a bad ref – incredible logic).

            I’m struggling to think what AS has to do to impress you, but I already know the answer, which is there is nothing she can do, because you have a weird anti-player agenda.

          • #1Fan

            I suggest you get help. I have thrown no one on the scrap heap . YOU called her teammates garbage. I simply said IN THIS EVENT, she did not produce. I am still waiting for your Ghana explanation by the way. You seem to be able to ignore the rest of the game. Like the ONLY contribution that counts is a goal. There are MANY ways to contribute in a TEAM game.

          • DNG

            Just curious, because I think I know and agree with you but how are you defining production?

          • #1Fan

            Production in her case for me would be to elevate her game and inspire her teammates to do the same. If you are going to carry the mantle of the best player going in to the event, then you shoulder that responsibility In the one game where I feel they fell aapert, there appeared to be no leadership on the field. As soon as the bombs started flying as a team they hid. As far as scoring goals etc, that should be expected from her. Its time to do more at that level if you want to be considered the best.

          • DNG

            Okay I understand your view but I am going to defend AS a little bit. I don’t know if this is the case for her but not all players are natural leaders in the locker room. While her play did not really stand out to me I don’t think leadership agility is something I would necessarily use in my evaluation unless she was actively setting a poor example for teammates. Generally speaking though I believe, and I think you agree, that production is about more than a goal tally although that is also important. Like I said above though, from a football perspective I didn’t see anything form AS in those three matches that screams “Sanchez is so much better than her teammates and her competition” like the commenter above alluded to. She’s definitely talented and seemslike a good finisher but I need to see more.

          • #1Fan

            im not trying to get into a discussion about what production is. we are not in possession of the same info. I take issue with someone basically saying AS teammates are garbage and she is somehow exempt for any responsibility. That is the issue here. I will add that this treatment and attitude when it comes to anointing stars is not only damaging, but also why they have no incentive to lead. Its a a wn win. I score, its me, we lose its my rubbish teammates. What a crock,

          • Hans Castorp

            I promise you AS or anyone on her team does not read any comments here, probably not even aware this website exist.

            This is a fan discussion page, not the YNT coaching staff. Who, btw, are also all garbage.

          • #1Fan

            had the thought crossed your mind that maybe I actually know several of the kids you call garbage?

          • Hans Castorp

            in the wacky wide world of sports youre either garbage or pro. I’m garbage. It’s no biggie.

          • #1Fan

            Oh really? well there in lies your problem. There are not pros. Far from it.

          • DNG

            I agree with your overall outlook here. I took issue with that line of thinking as well and agree. However, I do think it is possible for a player to have a magnificent tournament without their team winning a single game. That not what I saw from AS in this tournament but I can see this situation for teams that aren’t the US. Look at Little or Vero for example. Their team could loose no matter how well they play individually and I don’t think you’d say either of those players have that type of attitude you highlighted. I agree with your view on the star system. I don’t think it’s a benefit at all to any developing player.

          • #1Fan

            which is why i don’t want to get in to the talk about what defines a good tournament for a player. When you see it, you know. It is not possible to put into words or describe fully. Players have good and bad games. To distill it to she scored and the refs were bad an her teammates were garbage is utter nonsense . AS could have scored no goals and played lights out. None of the US outfield players had a good tournament. None. The GK did well

          • DNG

            We are in agreement.

          • DNG

            Goals don’t create themselves. Without the help of her teammates Sanchez scores zero goals at the U17 WC. Without competent teammates they don’t even qualify so your assertion that the rest of her teammates are garbage is just completely wrong. You analysis has essentially no depth to it and sounds like “she scored 2, should have been 3, goals against one of the best U17 teams in the world so the failings of the team can’t possibly be her fault”. All goals and statistics need context in order to properly evaluate a player. We also need to acknowledge that those three matches are a very small sample size and can hardly give us a complete picture of any player good or bad.

            Despite the goals I did not think that AS stood head and shoulders over her teammates at any point during the tournament. She did not boss any game like you would expect a top player to at this tournament. #1Fan is absolutely right that she was a complete non-factor against Ghana who had the athleticism to completely neutralize her.

            How exactly do you defend the position the Press sucks by the way? Because she didn’t score twice in the semifinal this year or once in the semifinal last year you think she’s a worthless player? She’s played less than 70 minutes total in the KO stages of the WC and the Olympics.

          • Hans Castorp

            I don’t have to defense Press being Garbage, her record speaks for itself.

          • DNG

            If you’re not going to defend your position except by saying

            “I don’t have to defense Press being Garbage, her record speaks for itself.”

            How can anyone take your arguments as anything but weak and shallow? Her goal scoring record is excellent at every level. Sure she’s missed some chances she should have put away in big games but to say she’s garbage because of those misses is a ridiculous view point in my opinion.

            Your position on AS is equally shallow. You seem to believe that because AS scored 3 goal and could have had 4 that she is completely infallible and not liable at all for the team crashing out of the group stage. All while completely ignoring that she was a total no show in one of the three matches. One of the two they needed a result from to advance.

          • Hans Castorp

            Could AS have been better? Every player can always be better, there is no perfect player. Her team was down to an elimination game. AS did her job under tremendous pressure, stepped up against the top defense of the tournament nobody else scored a single goal against, and singlehandedly scored 3 goals. I can’t imagine asking for more from a player. I can’t imagine what more she could possibly have done without becoming a literal super hero.

            AS is not infallible. If she turns into a big fat dud in U-20 then that will be that.

          • Steglitz49

            Given how many top European players will be missing from the U20 WC because their clubs will not release them, Ashley should have a waltz in the park.

          • #1Fan

            like she did vs 17 yr olds from Ghana?

          • Hans Castorp

            No player in the history of soccer has scored in every match they played (assuming a large sample playing career).

            So thank you for determining Ashley Sanchez is not the greatest player in the history of the sport. Very insightful.

          • Hans Castorp

            Then it will be time to move her up in 2017 to the U-infinity AKA the womens national team.

          • guest

            the uswnt u-17 world cup team was a disaster…not accomplished. now we wait on the uswnt-20 world cup team.

        • anon

          Williams is untested in a real match. Jordan and Sanchez have yet to receive caps (or a call up, in Jordan’s case). So what are you going on about, you dumb troll?

          • HOFCToDi

            USWNT
            Christen Press – DOB 29 Dec 1998
            Lynn Williams – DOB 21 May 1993

            Lynn Williams has four years to reach CP23’s level of international ineptitude.

            Christen Press
            2016 Summer Olympic Games
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 6, Shots on Goal 1
            Penalty Kicks Attempted 1, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

            Christen Press
            2016 SheBelieves Cup
            Goals 0, Assists 0

            Christen Press
            2016 CONCACAF Women’s Olympic Qualifying
            Knockout Stage
            Goals 0, Assists 0

          • HOFCToDi

            Sydney Leroux has been more productive than Christen Press at the Summer Olympic Games and Sydney Leroux has never started a match at the Summer Olympic Games:

            Summer Olympic Games
            Games Started
            Leroux (DOB 07 May 1990) – 0
            Press (DOB 29 Dec 1988) – 1

            Summer Olympic Games
            Minutes Played
            Leroux (DOB 07 May 1990) – 77
            Press (DOB 29 Dec 1988) – 123

            Summer Olympic Games
            Goals Scored
            Leroux (DOB 07 May 1990) – 1
            Press (DOB 29 Dec 1988) – 0

          • HOFCToDi

            Christen Press (DOB 29 Dec 1988)
            2016 Summer Olympic Games
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 6, Shots on Goal 1
            Penalty Kicks Attempted 1, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

            Mallory Pugh (DOB 29 Apr 1998)
            2016 Summer Olympic Games
            Goals 1, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 4, Shots on Goal 1
            Penalty Kicks Attempted 0, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

            Christen Press (DOB 29 Dec 1988)
            2016 SheBelieves Cup
            Goals 0, Assists 0

            Mallory Pugh (DOB 29 Apr 1998)
            2016 SheBelieves Cup
            Goals 0, Assists 1

            Christen Press (DOB 29 Dec 1988)
            2016 CONCACAF Women’s Olympic Qualifying
            Knockout Stage
            Goals 0, Assists 0

            Mallory Pugh (DOB 29 Apr 1998)
            2016 CONCACAF Women’s Olympic Qualifying
            Knockout Stage
            Goals 0, Assists 2

          • HOFCToDi

            Christen Press (DOB 29 Dec 1988)
            2016 Summer Olympic Games
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 6, Shots on Goal 1
            Penalty Kicks Attempted 1, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

            Crystal Dunn (DOB 03 Jul 1992)
            2016 Summer Olympic Games
            Goals 1, Assists 1, Shots Attempted 6, Shots on Goal 3
            Penalty Kicks Attempted 0, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

            Christen Press (DOB 29 Dec 1988)
            2016 SheBelieves Cup
            Goals 0, Assists 0

            Crystal Dunn (DOB 03 Jul 1992)
            2016 SheBelieves Cup
            Goals 1, Assists 0

            Christen Press (DOB 29 Dec 1988)
            2016 CONCACAF Women’s Olympic Qualifying
            Knockout Stage
            Goals 0, Assists 0

            Crystal Dunn (DOB 03 Jul 1992)
            2016 CONCACAF Women’s Olympic Qualifying
            Knockout Stage
            Goals 0, Assists 0

        • Steglitz49

          The babyfaced assassin played 235 matches for Man Utd but started in hardly any of them. He scored 91 goals, though, some critical.

          • HOFCToDi

            The international ineptitude is unparalleled.

            Christen Press
            2016 Summer Olympic Games
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 6, Shots on Goal 1
            Penalty Kicks Attempted 1, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

            Christen Press
            2016 SheBelieves Cup
            Goals 0, Assists 0

            Christen Press
            2016 CONCACAF Women’s Olympic Qualifying
            Knockout Stage
            Goals 0, Assists 0

            Christen Press has yet to score a goal versus a FIFA Top Twelve Ranked opponent in calendar year 2016.

            fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/women/index.html

            Christen Press has yet to provide an assist versus a FIFA Top Twelve Ranked opponent in calendar year 2016.

            fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/women/index.html

            Christen Press has yet to be named Budweiser Woman of the Match in calendar year 2016.

            ussoccer.com/womens-national-team/results-statistics

          • Steglitz49

            Though I share your general assessment of Ms Press, you did base your point about her starting. I merely pointed out that you need not start to be one of the great names in male soccer.

          • HOFCToDi

            Christen Press started 11 of the first 12 matches in calendar year 2015.

            ussoccer.com/womens-national-team/lineups/2015-lineups

            Christen Press met her Waterloo in the group stage of the 2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup.

            Christen Press
            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
            12 Jun 2015
            USA 0 SWE 0
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 2, Shots on Goal 0

            resources.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/02/64/73/21/eng_19_0612_usa-swe_fulltime.pdf

            resources.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/02/64/72/20/eng_19_0612_usa-swe_tacticalstartlist.pdf

            Christen Press
            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
            16 Jun 2015
            USA 1 NGA 0
            Minutes Played 0

            resources.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/02/65/00/60/eng_31_0616_nga-usa_fulltime.pdf

      • HOFCToDi

        According to the “Press Gang Troll Brigade”, international tournaments do not matter:

        en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_Women%27s_World_Rankings#Importance_of_the_match

        Neither do matches versus Top 10 FIFA Ranked opponents:

        en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_Women%27s_World_Rankings#Importance_of_the_match

        • rkmid71

          A small consolation. At least I think you and Steg have reduced the brigade to a platoon or maybe even a squad.

          • HOFCToDi

            The “Press Gang Troll Brigade” are secluded in a bunker with the artillery shells raining down all around.

          • mockmook

            Right, HoF has them quaking in their boots … give me a break.

    • guest

      the problem is these tomato can home games prove nothing. Kealia could probably easily score at least twice against this romanian team given 90. same with all of our forwards, really.

      agree on Sullivan – of all the New Kids, she’s the real deal

      • Steglitz49

        Correct. The games against Romania are poisoned chalices for the young hopefuls in the US camp.

        Always look on the bright side of life: the games are wonderful opportunities for the Romanians to improve.

      • kernel_thai

        But why is Sullivan here? Surely she has nothing to prove after the Swiss friendlies. Surely they dont need her to beat Romania. The next big tournament is 2019 so there is no time pressure. That kinda leaves Ellis needs her to validate this new formation which is really sad. Maybe these two friendlies would be better spent seeing if Mewis can handle the #6 in this formation for something longer than cameos .

        • Breakers fan

          I agree, kt, and I hadn’t thought of this – excellent thinking on your part, especially about giving Mewis more looks and how we still have 3 years ahead of us. Although Stanford will have most likely a powder puff opponent in the first round I think the right thing is for her to be back with her team at this time of the year. And ….will she miss 2 games of the NCAA tournament by being called in here? I think she will.
          Then again, when has Jill cared about Stanford’s fortunes?

        • Paul Klee

          Just pure speculation but Ellis may be considering offering Sullivan a contract. That would require Sullivan foregoing her final year at Stanford. But might want to see more of her.

          • Steglitz49

            The young lady would be wise to stay at Stanford and graduate.

            The next games that matter to the USWNT are in 2019 not 2017.

          • mockmook

            I don’t ever see the USWNT antagonizing the NCAA to the degree that they would if they started poaching college players early.

          • DNG

            If they select them to a WC or Olympic roster don’t they have to offer them a tier 1 contract. I guess it is then the player’s decision whether or not they want to accept it. I think this is the case unless I misunderstand the current CBA.

            Edit: Also weren’t the USSF willing to give Pugh a contract earlier this year? Maybe that’s not a trend but I don’t think there’s much the colleges can do about it if their players are selected and offered contracts

          • mockmook

            Let’s take a hypothetical:

            If the USWNT took a 15 year old to the Olympics, do you see them offering her a contract? But, I guess anything is possible (or perhaps the actual contract can come later).

            My guess is the intent (or the actuality) of the CBA is that contracts will only be offered to college grads (or players who are already pros or pro bound).

            Would the PA really object to a 15 year old NOT getting a contract (and NOT taking away a USWNT contract from a “real” pro)?

          • Steglitz49

            There should not be special contracts for playing for the NT. Playing for the NT is a great honor. The players, their families and friends, their colleges and teams should see it in that light.

            The real issue is to set up a system that reimburses the primary employer for their time spent away on NT duty be that a college or a club.

          • Steglitz49

            The colleges should see it as a great honor to have a player of theirs selected for the NT.

    • WosoFan11

      Oh and Krieger too… I was worried she would not get called back, so I’m glad to see her in the lineup.

      • Steglitz49

        Ali will be approaching 35 for WC-19, though se will not quite have gotten there. In short, playing Ali is another opportunity going begging. “When will they ever learn?”

        • WosoFan11

          To be fair, Carli Lloyd is 34 – two years older than Ali and still going strong… and Hope Solo, 35, is still probably one of the greatest woman goalkeepers in the world.

          • WosoFan11

            …and let’s not forget Abby Wambach who at age 34 scored 14 goals for the USWNT in 2014 – second in goals only to Carli Lloyd who scored 15 that year.

          • Steglitz49

            Let’s forget Abby, shall we? At least the latter days St Abbigail. I was awed by the 2003 version. That is the one I prefer in my memory bank.

          • Steglitz49

            As I remember, the USWNT had its worst ever tournament this August in the Olympics. Worst. Ever. It calls for some reflection, surely?

            We can agree that Hope has been an exceptional goalkeeper and, as I understand it, thoroughly dedicated to fans of all WoSo, not only herself.

          • guest

            Ali didn’t play in the QF you moron. If she (and Press) had, things might have turned out differently.

          • Steglitz49

            Ali Krieger had an eventful OG-16. She did not play against NZ, came on as a sub for Dunn vs France and started against Colombia, where she picked up a yellow card.

    • HOFCToDi

      The first round of the NCAA Division I College Cup interferes with the upcoming international women’s friendlies.

      ncaa.com/sports/soccer-women/d1

      It seems only Stanford is willing to release a player to the USWNT at this moment in time.

      • Steglitz49

        It is a friendly.

    • HOFCToDi

      Hypothetical 3-5-2 tactical formation for the 11/10/16 and 11/13/16 international women’s friendlies.

      drawformation.com/post/58198c41ad65a/58198c41ad65a.png

      • Steglitz49

        Looks like a 3-4-3 to me but never mind. Possibly 3-4-1-2 if you want to be generous.

      • guest

        Lynn Williams
        USA v. SUI
        10/23/2016
        Goals: 0
        Minutes played: 90

        Christen Press
        USA v. SUI
        10/23/2016
        Goals: 1
        Minutes played: 45

        • Steglitz49

          Don’t stress him, please. He can’t cope and will lash out.

          • HOFCToDi

            Christen Press – DOB 29 Dec 1998
            Lynn Williams – DOB 21 May 1993

            Lynn Williams has four years to reach CP23’s level of international ineptitude.

            Christen Press
            2016 Summer Olympic Games
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 6, Shots on Goal 1
            Penalty Kicks Attempted 1, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

            Christen Press
            2016 SheBelieves Cup
            Goals 0, Assists 0

            Christen Press
            2016 CONCACAF Women’s Olympic Qualifying
            Knockout Stage
            Goals 0, Assists 0

          • HOFCToDi

            Christen Press – DOB 29 Dec 1998
            Lynn Williams – DOB 21 May 1993

            Lynn Williams has four years to reach CP23’s level of international ineptitude:

            Christen Press
            2016 Rio Olympics
            12 Aug 2016
            USA 1 SWE 1
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 2, Shots on Goal 0
            Penalty Kicks Attempted 1, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

            rio2016.com/en/football-womens-quarterfinal-fb-3

            Christen Press
            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
            12 Jun 2015
            USA 0 SWE 0
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 2, Shots on Goal 0

            resources.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/02/64/73/21/eng_19_0612_usa-swe_fulltime.pdf

            resources.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/02/64/72/20/eng_19_0612_usa-swe_tacticalstartlist.pdf

      • WosoFan11

        I like the software that you are using… cool. You think Ohai would start? I’d be surprised.

  • another guest

    AP reporting that Brazil’s WNT names Emily Lima (first woman coach) as new coach

    The Associated Press

    RIO DE JANEIRO
    Brazil’s women’s national team has its first female coach.

    The Brazilian soccer confederation on Tuesday named former player Emily Lima to replace Oswaldo Alvarez.

    Lima will debut on Dec. 7 in a tournament in the Amazon city of Manaus when Brazil faces Costa Rica. Brazil will also play Russia and Italy.

    As a coach, Lima took her Brazil women’s club Sao Jose to a runner-up finish last month in the Brazilian Cup.

    Alvarez led Brazil to a gold medal at the 2015 Pan Am Games, but failed to get a medal at the Rio de Janeiro Olympics. Brazil lost to Sweden on penalties in the semifinals.

    Brazil was the runner-up in the 2007 women’s World Cup, and has been led for a decade by five-time player of the year Marta Vieira.

    Read more here: http://www.centredaily.com/sports/article111850957.html#storylink=cpy

    • Som Termanni

      Lima fresh off a 3-1 walloping at the hands of Audax-Corinthians a week ago. Good on her, that’s quite a consolation prize.

    • Steglitz49

      Emily is only 36. In 2001 she moved to Europe, where she played for eight years, seven in Spain and one in Italy. She played for Estudiantes de Huelva, Puebla de la Calzada, Prainsa – Zaragoza – and L’Estartit – Costa Brava. In 2010, he moved to Napels and ended her playing career that year.

      In 2011, Emily started work on the technical committee as supervisor and assistant to the Portuguese federation. In the same season, she was hired as coach of Juventus of São Paulo, and stayed at the club until March 2013, when she was asked to lead the Brazilian U-15 and U-17 NTs. She joined São José in 2015.

  • Steglitz49

    We are 20 comments from 600. Bizarre.

  • #1Fan

    So Menges and McDonald ini

    • DNG

      While I’m happy to see the new names and think both players deserve the call up. This feels more like a result of injuries to the players that replaced. Ellis should have added them in place of some veterans who were at the last group of friendlies and added new players for the injured ones.

      • Steglitz49

        JE’s hands could be tied but what does she care now she is nominated among the 10 elect.

      • #1Fan

        When an NT call up is the “badge of honor” that ti is, using them to learn more about players requires guts and foresight. Not sure Ellis has either. McDonald does not like like anything but a camp practice player.at this stage of her career. She cant seriously be a contender for WC can she ? Same age as Engen no?

        • Steglitz49

          Fair comment.

        • DNG

          I don’t care as much about age. If a player is good enough they are good enough. Sure I think Ellis should focus on looking for younger alternatives and developing young players but if a 32 year old forward is one of the 4 best forwards at 32, I think they should make the team. I don’t think age had anything to do with Engen. 32 at the next WC is definitely not too old for a CB.

          • Steglitz49

            Not too old but unnecessarily old given the US’s talent pool and their failure in Brasilia.

          • #1Fan

            You have to prep for a WC. The point is that it is almost unheard of to emerge as a 28 yr old. Currently Ellis does use 32yr old players and I agree, if good enough no issue. One would assume a player like that would ALREADY be involved and not as a late injury replacement. So with Engen what was the message. You are good enough to play in the Oly, but then what ?

          • DNG

            I don’t know about Engen. I thought she was fine in place of Johnston at the olympics and didn’t really see a point. Unless they just wanted to get her off of a tier 1 contract it doesn’t make a lot of sense to me.

            I don’t think Mcdonald has really emerged so much as has been constantly overlooked. I’m sure the previous coaches had their reasons. She was one of the best forwards in the NWSL this year though and fits in well with a Riley team. I don’t really see her getting better but I think she could play internationally and do fine like most of the top NWSL players.

          • Steglitz49

            There is no need for Europe to go that route. For Norway and Sweden, maybe; for the US, not.

    • guest

      seeing as Edmonds and McDonald have next to no chance at a long term spot on the roster, it seems wasteful. glad for Menges though

      • Steglitz49

        Seems par for the USWNT. The leopardess can’t change her spots.

  • Steglitz49

    This should be the 600th comment!

  • #1Fan

    Apparently Dunn looking at overseas options. Watch this space 🙂

    • Steglitz49

      Like Japan or South-Korea?

    • another guest

      under terms of the old/existing CBA/MOU the USWNT were only obligated to play for 2 years in NWSL. Not clear (yet) what new CBA might require regards playing in NWSL but a number of USWNT players have previously expressed some interest in being able to play overseas. Since the new CBA is still being negotiated and may not be in place by Jan 2017 (or perhaps not even when NWSL starts back up) I would not be surprised if a number of USWNT players are at least testing the market (and $$$ level) of european team opportunities.

      • Steglitz49

        Any ideas of where she is thinking? Iceland? Avaldsnes? Piteå?

  • Arcie Tillydee

    Latest call-up: Emily Menges in! As everyone who pays attention to my posts (all three of you…), yes, I’m grinning ear to ear right now.

    • BarcaSiempre

      For both her and Jess McDonald, it is so well deserved. These two add a lot of speed and Menges has been the best defender on the Thorn’s very good back line. I just hope they both see some playing time. McDonald has improved her game so much in last three years. She may be 28 and too old to be considered the future, like Lynn Williams, but she has been a star in the NWSL. Emily is I think 24 and improving exponentially.

      • Arcie Tillydee

        Agreed: Jess is effective on multiple fronts, and I hated losing her here in Portland. She has the speed to get in behind the defense and she finishes. And if Allie Long isn’t too old (and she isn’t…), no reason Jess can’t stick.

        Emily is one of my very favorite Thorns. I love how she rose to the challenge her rookie year when the Buehldozer went down (and doubtless had previously figured to learn and work her way into minutes gradually). She’s filled the holes in her game superbly, and I think was the best CB in the league last season.

    • guest

      what happens if menges get’s allocated in 2017 and sonnet and/or klingenburg get’s deallocated? could be problems in portland paradise. be careful what you wish for. lolll.

      • Arcie Tillydee

        I could see either of them getting dropped, frankly (although I don’t think it’s all that likely with Sonnett). The Thorns FO is going to have to wheel and deal to keep the existing allocations (they traded for several, and if I’m remembering right, at least one was only for a year).