Lloyd’s brace, Ohai’s debut goal lifts USWNT past Swiss

The Equalizer Staff October 23, 2016 928
Carli Lloyd scored twice on Sunday in the USWNT's 5-1 win over Switzerland. (Photo Copyright Patricia Giobetti for The Equalizer)

Carli Lloyd scored twice on Sunday in the USWNT’s 5-1 win over Switzerland. (Photo Copyright Patricia Giobetti for The Equalizer)

Carli Lloyd scored a brace and Kealia Ohai scored 48 seconds into her debut as the U.S. women’s national team defeated Switzerland, 5-1 on Sunday at U.S. Bank Stadium in Minneapolis. It was the second victory of the week for the U.S. over Switzerland after a 4-0 win on Wednesday in Sandy, Utah.

Sandrine Mauron gave the Swiss a surprising lead in the 7th minute after the United States’ three-back system was exposed on the counterattack. But Lloyd equalized in spectacular fashion in the 25th minute, thundering a shot into the upper corner from 28 yards out to equalize.

Lloyd score the go-ahead goal and eventual game-winner just after halftime, before Christen Press and Crystal Dunn extended the lead to 4-1 in the following 12 minutes.

[EXCLUSIVE: Ohai excited to finally get her chance with USWNT]

Ohai then became the sixth player this week to earn her first senior cap for the United States, entering the match in the 81st minute and scoring 48 seconds later, one second faster than it took Lynn Williams to score in her first cap on Wednesday, both of which were records for debutantes at the time. Williams and Ohai each scored 11 goals in the 2016 NWSL regular season, with Williams winning the Golden Boot on the tiebreaker of more assists. Williams was also named league MVP en route to leading the Western New York Flash to a championship.

The U.S. women have two more matches this calendar year, against Romania on Nov. 10 and Nov. 13.

[EXCLUSIVE: Tobin Heath still making most of her USWNT chances]

  • Bluenun

    This formation will NEVER work against the top 10 teams! Ellis this you don’t need a defensive line, she just throws midfielders in there! She is horrible!

    • kernel_thai

      I think this makes a nice second formation to change things up but I agree that there r teams who will tear this apart.

    • mockmook

      “will NEVER work against the top 10 teams”

      poppycock, I say

      • Steglitz49

        Tell that to the Swedes.

    • BRASILEIRO

      equal game, but bad quality, then different payment

    • guest

      I think if we had played any team other than Sweden as coached by Pia in the QF we would have won gold. I still think we will dominate the next WC/OG… watching Germany recently, they look unathletic and slow but still dominating Europe and allegedly the best team after the USA.

      • well

        Competent refereeing would have granted the Lloyd goal and we would have won that game in OT

        • Steglitz49

          Competent refereeing would have won the game for Sweden in regulation (and had Carli sent off for her repeated fouls to boot).

    • mockmook

      How it works against ANYONE:

      * A team that can and will dedicate itself to defending
      * Players that can pressure the opposition all over the field
      * CBs who are ball handlers and defenders
      * CBs who are unflappable
      * A DM who will concentrate on defending (when necessary)
      * WBs who will concentrate on defending (when necessary)
      * WBs who can be devastating attackers when not defending
      And:
      * Find that awesome #10 to drive the offense
      (will likely end up being someone other than Racioppi)

      Anyway, here is one possibility:

      http://drawformation.com/post/580d517900d45/sm-580d517900d45.png

      • Bluenun

        Yeah, in HS maybe!

        • DNG

          Chelsea just destroyed Manchester United today playing out of a 3-4-3. With the right players there’s nothing wrong with the formation.

          • Bluenun

            Apples and Oranges!

          • DNG

            I’ve seen OL play effectively with a 3 back as well. There’s nothing wrong with the formation with the right pieces.

          • Bluenun

            They got beat by switzerland , they just couldn’t finished. Germany, France etc. will exploit that formation! I know Sweden loves having Ellis as US head coach cause she is clueless!

          • DNG

            And they got beat by Sweden out of a 4 back. The Formation is not at fault for the goals conceded. It takes a while for players to adapt to the three back too.

          • Bluenun

            If good teams beat them with 4, they will sure beat them with 3.

          • DNG

            Against Sweden they only had 3 players covering the counter attacker because Klingenberg was pushed up. KO couldn’t even affect the play because she was on the other side of the field. Often times it looks like the US only have 2 players covering counters since they push their OBs up so high in possession.

          • mockmook

            “Often times it looks like the US only have 2 players covering counters”

            It doesn’t “look like” it, it is a fact.

          • Steglitz49

            Too true and too dangerous.

          • Bluenun

            Exactly why it won’t work! Their OB’s get beat all the time!

          • mockmook

            It’s not the OBs being beat, it is the tactics being beat.

            I have more faith that JE and the team will have better covering discipline in the 3-5-2 than they do with their 4 back systems.

          • DNG

            Well, I agree that they can learn and do the 3-5-2 very well. When the wing backs track back it’s a very solid defensive formation. I also think a 4-3-3 with 2 hard working CMs and a real DM like Sullivan would be fine as well covering these counters.

          • Bluenun

            Have you not seen her coach? Players all out of position. Clueless substitutions. No gameplan or how to make adjustments i.e.:Sweden game. Plays favorites over talent. Can’t evaluate talent. Plays injured and unfit players. Has never had a winning program since she started her coaching career!

          • Steglitz49

            Welcome back Saviour of the German Wine Industry. Where have you been this last week or so? Pruning and replanting I hope.

          • Arcie Tillydee

            Yep…and when you have both fullback getting forward, you _have_ to have a very good, very mobile “stay home” d-mid. And Ellis has always seemed to devalue the idea of dedicated d-mids…

          • DNG

            I think she would be fine with a dedicated DM as long as that DM can move the ball effectively. I think JE has an eye on Andi Sullivan for this role in the future but there need to be competent back ups as well. JE apparently has no need of any DM that can’t also set tempo.

          • Steglitz49

            France has not achieved anything when it mattered. Maybe they will on home grass in 2019?

          • kernel_thai

            UNC won about 100 titles with that formation (maybe 21) but talent is a wonderful thing.

          • #1Fan

            Man United are horrible. A classic collection of high priced talent that does not fit well together and a coach who thinks he is smarter than everyone else. Sound familiar ?

          • DNG

            Well, they’re horrible for a “big club” who can buy almost any player they want. I suppose since you put it that way… Juventus have had success using the 3-5-2 as well and my point was more that There isn’t inherently anything wrong with the formation. It has it’s strengths and weakness like any other formation.

            I don’t know if it will end up working for Ellis and the US but I definitely wouldn’t say it “will NEVER work against the top 10 teams!” like Bluenun was saying. First and foremost, I think the USWNT can beat 5 or 6 of the top 10 teams with a variety of personnel and formations.

            Ellis has said a lot of the right things in some of these interviews but I just don’t get some of her personnel decisions in these matches. It makes no sense to me not to cap every new player brought in and see what they can do in real game situations.

          • #1Fan

            I like the formation with the right personnel. Not sure the US will really play anyone who will give it a real acid test. you know I agree on the caps.

          • DNG

            My only question on the personnel at the moment is whether they can find 4-5 CBs that fit the mold of a 3 back CB. Sonnett does but I’m less sure about Sauerbrunn, Johnston, Dahlkemper and whoever else they call up. The one thing that always makes me wary of the three back is a fast dribbler that can attack an isolated outside CB in transition. If those outside CBs aren’t mobile, talented attackers can give them real problems. The back three also need to be able to solve pressure.

          • Arcie Tillydee

            Agreed: 3-in-the-back requires speed from all three. The Thorns could probably pull it off with the current lineup (Sonnett, Menges, Reynolds), but Ellis would have to call up different CBs than she usually does.

            Worth her taking a look at Alyssa Kleiner, too: absolute rocket…the only player I saw stay near Menges in Thorns training when they were doing sprints in 2015. I mean when Crystal Dunn, of all people, calls you a “blur…”

          • Steglitz49

            They are men. This is WoSo.

      • Steglitz49

        I assume that Alex Morgan is one of your subs who will come in at 60-65 min.

  • kernel_thai

    Nice to see Ohai get a chance…nicer to see her cash in

    • Guest1

      I didn’t think she was going play her. Team up 4-1 wait until 80th minute? You can tell she don’t like her. Oh well at least she will have this remember. We cant sub out Dunn or Heath. They need play whole game.

      • anon

        she could have subbed out Heath who was kind of struggling. Ellis doesn’t like Ohai.

        • kernel_thai

          At 4-1 she could have subbed out anyone…did she use all her subs?

          • Paul Klee

            Sonnett did not see the pitch. I think that is telling.

          • kernel_thai

            Wasnt really sure why she had both Sonnett and Dahlkemper on the bench. She could have used that spot to roster another new player.

          • Paul Klee

            Right now I’m going to take Ellis at her word and assume no one else earned a spot. And the only reason Sonnett was their was as an emergency sub. Becky gets a red and Short turns an ankle that sort of thing. If you are going 3 back an extra defender sub is probably necessary.

          • kernel_thai

            She still had O’Hara and Heath from her OB pool and she had Dunn at CB for her U20 team so maybe she’d revisit that : )

          • Bluenun

            Because she is horrible coach!

        • yasdf

          Wrong Ellis has said she likes Ohai a lot. You are lying and a liar.

          • kernel_thai

            love to see a source on that. Her quotes after the match didnt mention Ohai.

          • Steglitz49

            Maybe Ohai was not meant to score and now that she has, she will be harder to ignore.

      • kernel_thai

        I agree that she isnt the Ellis type player but I think the goal gets her another camp. Ellis might see her as a super sub type

      • Som Termanni

        Ohai subbed in for Dunn.

    • guest

      yeah, she’s history though. She got her pity call up. Now back to Houston and JJ Watt, I guess

      • dash4eva

        not a rumor. JJ Watt and Ohai are an item…

        • NYRick

          Wasn’t JJ Watt and Syd an item a few years back too?

          • dash4eva

            nope they never were together.

        • Steglitz49

          Best wishes for them. Hope it works out.

      • Tiggybeaar

        ^ dumbest comment ever. led nwsl in scoring this year and scored in her first uswnt game with limited minutes. ellis is definitely going to call her up for romania. you can bank on that!

        • mockmook

          While I want what you said to be true, it may not be.

          JE may call in a whole new group of NWSL/college players just so she sees as many players as possible up close and personal.

        • Katie Curtiss

          Lynn Williams also led in the NWSL scoring this year and had more assists

          • Paul Klee

            If Williams, Ohai, Short and Sullivan are not called up for the Romania fixtures camp I would be shocked if they weren’t called in for January residency.

            Of course who knows what the new CBA will look like and how that will effect the January residency or future call-ups.

          • Paul Klee

            Depending on Stanford’s potential College cup fixtures I could see Sullivan and Campbell missing the Romanian matches.

          • atalba

            College Cup coming up. Stanford needs Andi back. Don’t expect players from the top 20 colleges to be called up. It’s November Madness! (NOT a thing).

          • Paul Klee

            Kinda what I figured

          • Paul Klee

            So Rose Lavelle from Wisconsin could be called up again?

          • atalba

            Sorry, I know Rose is a very well respected player, but I don’t know anything about U of Wisconsin and their chances in the tournament.

          • JL

            And missed a game, while Ohai played all of Houston’s games.

          • Som Termanni

            Ohai w/o Boston:

            18 games
            8 goals
            3 assists

            Williams w/o Boston:

            15 games (+2 postseason)
            5 goals (+3 postseason)
            4 assists (+1 postseason)

            Jess McDonald w/o Boston:

            15 games (+2 postseason)
            5 goals
            7 assists (+2 postseason)

            Shea Groom w/o Boston:

            17 games
            8 goals
            0 assists

            Lianne Sanderson w/o Boston:

            16 games (8 each ORL and WNY)
            5 goals
            1 assist

            Alex Morgan w/o Boston:

            15 games
            4 goals
            1 assist

            Christen Press w/o Boston:

            13 games
            8 goals (1 PK)
            0 assists

            Christine Sinclair w/o Boston:

            10 games (+1 postseason)
            5 goals (+1 postseason)
            2 assists

          • Steglitz49

            Is Ohai the winner?

          • Som Termanni

            No. It mostly shows that thanks to Williams’s playoff performances, even if Williams hadn’t had the advantage of playing Boston four times but had still played as many games as Ohai, they’d still be about even in terms of their NWSL performances. It does make Ellis’s decision to give Williams more than 120 minutes over Ohai a little strange, especially considering the result; with Lloyd confirmed out vs. Romania, I’m hoping Williams and Ohai get some time together up front.

            Also, Shea Groom probably earned exactly as much of a look from Ellis as she’s gotten–no more or less, and the WNT is set for years on striker depth. I’ll be surprised if she gets any minutes (much less the 7 or so garbage-time minutes that Ohai got) vs. Romania, even if by all common measures she’s earned it. Right place, wrong time.

          • mockmook

            Groom can play on the wing, too.

            Also, she played extensively as a CAM in college.

          • Steglitz49

            Has gotten a name of being a bruiser and enforcer, which means the refs have their eyes on her, which tends to result in yellow cards.

          • Ethan

            Not really disputing your overall point in your first paragraph, but all three of Williams’ playoff goals came in extra time, which does not happen in a regular season game that ends in a draw after regulation.

          • Steglitz49

            Is that a positive or negative attribute in your opinion?

            On the positive side, you could conclude that Lynn scores when the chips are down, which she did in the final. A negative view could be that the opposition has to be tired before she can score.

          • Ethan

            I wasn’t really saying it was positive or negative. I’m just saying that she would have gone scoreless in those matches if they happened during the regular season. That would have kept her at 5 goals in Some Termanni’s analysis. (Of course, maybe if the games had happened in the regular season, Williams may have come up with a late winner.)

          • Steglitz49

            Indeed. It is what the coaching staff, not least the head coach, thinks that matters.

          • Som Termanni

            Oh yeah, which is part of why I put them in parens. Even broken down per non-Boston minutes played, it still works out about even (0.0038 G/min Williams regular season only vs. 0.0072 G/min Williams + postseason vs. 0.0076 G/min Ohai).

            But sure, Ohai and Groom are still easily the best in regulation, and with Groom also accomplishing it against tougher defenses (2 goals vs. CHI four times; 4 of 8 goals in 2 braces against CHI and POR) than Ohai (2 goals vs. ORL four times; 4 of 8 goals in 2 braces against ORL and WNY).

          • Steglitz49

            I find the treatment of Kealia Ohai a bit odd given her performance in the 2012 U20 WC, when Mallory Pugh not only gets caps but even gets to go to OG-16 and they are already touting Sanchez as the best thing since sliced bread if not choco-milk.

            I know that JE had to accommodate the Veterans for WC-15 and Pinoe for OG-16 but it all seems rather odd.

          • Katie Curtiss

            Ohai also didn’t show up for her team and start scoring goals until the season was already half over

          • Steglitz49

            better late than never, as the saying goes

          • rkmid71

            Do you only mean she didn’t show up in the scoring column? There are many other ways to impact a game. And Lloyd was there in the early part of the season, taking a lot of shots and not getting a high % on goal as usual (37%). Btw — Ohai got 61% of her shots on goal, 22% goal conversion — those are efficient #s. Houston had a poor record in the first part of season, much better later. What conclusions do you draw?

          • mockmook

            I think it is also significant that Ohai became the Dash’s captain this year — not a title typically given to a young player.

          • rkmid71

            I’m thinking that captain role was something she earned and voted on by teammates, not something given. But I’m speculating and don’t know how it was decided.

          • Ethan

            Well, Williams had 2 in the first 9. That’s not much better. She did get two in the tenth match against Boston, but as people have mentioned, she got more than half her goals against Boston.

          • Ethan

            Williams didn’t play any fewer minutes during the regular season though.

  • Paul Klee

    My Prediction if Lloyd is not there in France19, Crystal Dunn will be the team Captain.

    • mockmook

      Ohai

    • kernel_thai

      I think Dunn is a little to happy go lucky to be captain

      • anon

        I think she is super selfish and not a team player. She is teeny tiny and cute, so people think that she is happy go lucky but she tries way too hard to take on defenders alone to score, because she knows she is in a competition for forward minutes with Lloyd, Press, Morgan, etc

        • DNG

          Tunnel visioned? Sure. Selfish? That’s a giant leap. She tries hard to take on defenders because that’s what she’s good at and that’s how she thinks she can help the team.

          • Guest

            I get she is an assist leader on her club team. I really think on the NT she doesn’t pass (especially to Press) because she wants to score on her own. The only reason she assisted last game was because she tried to score and shanked into the back of a defender, then passed to heath because she had to do something with the deflection.

          • Frozen Blue

            So it all comes back to Press, your prejudice is developing into full conspiracy theory. Why can’t they both be good players that aren’t perfect and have things to work on. FYI during the Olympics the two of them seemed pretty buddy buddy in their social media pictures.

          • kernel_thai

            I think she has less confidence in her passing than in her shooting.

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          Troll alert.

      • Paul Klee

        We’ll see in two years or so she might not be so happy-&-go-lucky by then.

      • mockmook

        I somewhat jokingly said Ohai, but the real contender is probably Sullivan (assuming Sauerbrunn is gone, too).

        • kernel_thai

          I Dont really know enough about Sullivan

          • mockmook

            Poise — this call up didn’t faze her a bit.

            Also, was a co-captain on the U-20’s

          • kernel_thai

            I meant captain wise. Hard to judge leadership potential. These last two days has somewhat made up for the performance of the 20s BTW.

          • mockmook

            The announcers were remarking (and I noticed) about how she was telling everyone where to go in the midfield (just like a veteran) in her first cap against SUI.

          • kernel_thai

            Brian does that as well right from day one.

    • anon

      What? Dunn is terrible. Selfish player, bad finisher. She’s ok as a hustler on the wing but there are better options.

      Anyway it often goes to the person with the most caps… so it would probably be Heath, Morgan or Press

      • kernel_thai

        Actually it will be Sauerbrunn who is the other captain.

        • guest

          someone on here mentioned a couple weeks ago that ellis removed sauerbrunn as captain in september over some issue. but that has not yet been officially confirmed. guess we will just have to wait and see.

      • HOFCToDi

        Christen Press
        2016 Rio Olympics
        Goals 0, Assists 0

        Crystal Dunn
        2016 Rio Olympics
        Goals 1, Assists 1

        Christen Press
        2016 SheBelieves Cup
        Goals 0, Assists 0

        Crystal Dunn
        2016 SheBelieves Cup
        Goals 1, Assists 0

        Christen Press
        2016 CONCACAF Women’s Olympic Qualifying
        Goals 2, Assists 1

        Crystal Dunn
        2016 CONCACAF Women’s Olympic Qualifying
        Goals 6, Assists 1

        • FawcettFan14

          Broken records sure are annoying.

          • HOFCToDi

            So are the Crystal Dunn fallacies.

        • DumbHOFCToDi

          LamessAss idiot

      • Paul Klee

        Yup your right Press and Williams both suck too, Tobin can’t finish, Lloyd and Broon are over the hill Alex Morgan and Allie Long have no technical ability. Morgan Brian is too injury prone. Horan is fat and slow. Mewis good god don’t even get me started.

        We should just be starting Harris Krieger O’Hara and Ohai and fill in the rest with newbies.

        🙁

        • anon

          Nah, I think Press, Tobin, (sometimes) Lloyd, Brian, Ohara, Kreiger are quite good! I think Dunn is highly overrated by Ellis.

          • Paul Klee

            We’ll see, go watch Dunn from last year and early this year. Compare her to now her game has grown dramatically.

          • DNG

            Dunn has improved her crossing, final ball and work with her left foot. She still has trouble picking passes though traffic in front of her. I wouldn’t say her game has improved dramatically but it’s definitely improved.

          • washfan

            Dunn – the player that has scored like 36 goals for club and country over the last 2 years; just started playing attack position for the uswnt in less than 1 year and has scored 17 goals – we don’t need that on this team

          • guest

            where was she for the spirit this year? before the final, she never scored

          • kernel_thai

            Because if Dunn had scored a lot more goals the Spirit might have made it to the final?

        • DNG

          “Horan is fat”

          Besides that fact that it’s not true was this really necessary?

          • Paul Klee

            Exactly my point. Have you read the incredible over the top negativity about many of the players on this team and on this thread today?

          • DNG

            I clearly missed the sarcasm of the post. Disregard my other comment.

          • kernel_thai

            He was being sarcastic.

          • DNG

            Yeah, I too often take things too literally.

          • Steglitz49

            It is hard to be sarcastic in writing, so you are excused.

        • kernel_thai

          I think Morgan is a wedding planner now.

          • Paul Klee

            Does look like they had some fun Vegas.

          • kernel_thai

            without getting arrested.

          • Paul Klee

            I just don’t get the impression Morgan & Long are troublemakers. Like their worst would be singing too loudly and off key

          • mockmook

            You have obviously missed some of the photos of Alex and Leroux — and Long doesn’t strike me as someone who doesn’t cut lose.

          • Saul of Tarsus

            Long is Christian.

          • mockmook

            Christians don’t like to have fun? Who knew????

          • HOFCToDi

            Abby Wambach must not have been invited.

      • Katie Curtiss

        heath then morgan probably but if Sauerbrunn is with the team for France19, then she will be captain because she is co-captain with Carli right now

    • BRASILEIRO

      My prediction is that Brasil will be CHAMPION

  • BRASILEIRO

    1-Not even 11 Mathias could lose to Switzerland

  • kernel_thai

    I want a DNA sample taken of Colaprico to see if the same person is showing up at camp who plays in the league.

    • ABCDE

      Sullivan and her best friend Brian have taken her job. Unfortunate, but the way it rolls.

    • Guest

      She’s pretty inconsistent in the league though. If I’m being honest… she has been a big part of some of the CRS losses/draws this season.

    • jamie

      Ellis has seen her many times over the years – wasn’t she an alternate last world cup? At this point if she’s not getting caps, Ellis just doesn’t rate her and her NT future is pretty grim. I kind of feel hte same way about Ohai.

      • kernel_thai

        U dont think Ohai upped her stock a bit? She certainly has lots of improvement to make but a player who can come in off the bench and grab goals is a nice thing to have.

        • guest

          Yeah, I guess, but we have those players on the bench… wing is possibly one of our deepest positions talentwise. Interested to see if Ellis brings her in again. Not that Romania is a test for anyone.

          • kernel_thai

            Romania would be a good place to give her a start to see how she does with speed of play with the starters. She may be able to eek out a place in a super sub type role if she can keep grabbing goals.

          • kernel_thai

            It’s hard to figure where players will fit. Dunn was in the middle a lot. Pugh is also a more natural middle player. If she thinks they both belong inside then the pacey Ohai looks better against the slower wing players who r left. If she’s competing for a spot against Dunn and Pugh then her pace doesnt help her.

        • DNG

          The goal was well taken. Unfortunately we only saw her play 20 minutes and I didn’t see her get many touches. I would have much rather seen her start instead of Heath or Dunn and played 70 minutes.

          • kernel_thai

            Actually only 10. Did Ellis think she could blow a 3 goal lead?

          • DNG

            I’ve said this many times already but who cares about winning a friendly. Hopefully she gets called in again but she wasn’t one of the names Ellis mentioned impressed in training.

          • kernel_thai

            I think it depends how many other new people Ellis wants to bring in. I would have liked to have seen an Ellis reaction shot to the goal. If she just yawned it isnt a good sign.

          • guest

            she only mentioned Sullivan, Campbell & Short, right? Not surprising.. I figure the players with the best chance to “make it” are college players who have been in hte system for awhile

          • DNG

            Williams too I think.

          • annie

            hmm, didn’t see her say that about Williams. Interesting. I want Williams to succeed, but I really wish she had capitalized on one of her chances tonight. She can create a lot of opportunities for herself because she is so fast… but her finishing needs serious work.

          • kernel_thai

            The only one I saw who looked close to the finished product was Sullivan. The rest all had rough edges.

          • DNG

            Sullivan has rough edges too. SUI really weren’t a very good test missing 4-5 starters.

          • kernel_thai

            I agree but in any test the control is the control. There is still a lot to learn about all the roster before it’s time to figure who the WC team is.

          • anotherguest

            She gives me the vibes of a USA’s Elodie Thomis. A sprinter and athlete more than a soccer player

          • kernel_thai

            She has more heart than Thomis but is definitely far from a finished product.

          • Observed

            Give Williams another 20 starts and she will gel with the team, like anyone else.

          • kernel_thai

            Because a lot of it is just tendencies. She’ll learn her team mates and theyll learn her.

          • kernel_thai

            The key there is none r competing directly with Ohai. It would be bad if Williams & Sullivan were wings or if Short had played well there.

          • Ethan

            Her goal wasn’t just well-taken from the point when she received Press’ pass. She made a great long run forward to even get into that position.

            She didn’t get many touches. However, she had one or two nice attempts at keeping the ball in the US’ possession, and she did beat a Swiss player cutting inside before making a simple central pass. More importantly though, she tracked back at least a couple of times and knocked the ball out of play off of the Swiss player in possession. She certainly didn’t hurt her chances of continued play in her cameo.

          • DNG

            That was a pretty long touch to keep possession if you’re talking about the play I think you are. SUI at that point weren’t offering much resistance. I think the goal was a quality finish and run but I wouldn’t say it was more than that.

          • Ethan

            Keeping possession? The plays I was referencing there were one-time short pass attempts on loose balls. The one time she beat a Swiss player was when she touched the ball long and relied on her pace to keep possession.

            Well, that’s what I said. Nothing more. She made a great run to get into that position, and I agreed that it was well-taken.

          • DNG

            I totally misread that. I thought you were talking about the play where she sort of touched the ball around the SUI player and then ran around her. I didn’t really see enough touches to make any judgements on her ability while in possession in the US system. I’m admittedly skeptical but I want to see more.

          • Ethan

            That was the play I was talking about when I said she beat a Swiss player before passing to a teammate. I definitely want to see more of Ohai in the upcoming matches against Romania and future matches past those.

          • DNG

            These new players, or the ones Ellis narrows down in the coming months really need to see lots of minutes at SBC. That’s where we’ll get good information about who is ready and can make it with the team.

          • kernel_thai

            I was hoping for a longer run out so she could show off the defensive component more. If Ellis is going to play this system even part time then she needs fast wings willing to bust it getting back and going forward. That suits Ohai to a tee

          • kernel_thai

            All three players created that goal by moving before the pass was made. Horan came all the way across the pitch to start it.and as soon as they saw Long play to her feet Ohai and Press started their runs. Pretty soccer.

          • Calci0

            I’d have like to have seen a min. of 45mins.

          • kernel_thai

            Yeah, because let’s say she doesnt score the goal…what else from her 9 minutes made an impression. No one remembers she was getting back on defense. Over a half she would have been involved in a lot more plays, for good or ill.

          • #1Fan

            To be honest, the goal is nice, but the whole point has to be how these new players look vs fresh opponents. USSF just don’t get it when in comes to using mid cycle games to actually audition new players. Its embarrassing how badly they do it

          • Obseved

            Sampson for ENG uses all games to audition, right up to the day before announcing rosters for WC and Euro.

          • #1Fan

            Anyone with a brain does. But the US NT is a marketing excercise and so at times it seems that soccer is a secondary consideration. This worked when they had a massive edge. Other countries are playing more and tactically, they are moving past the US.

          • NYRick

            Well therein lies the elephant in the room. Seriously, any of these players deserves at a minimum of 45 minutes in a friendly. Playing Lloyd, Brunn, Heath, Brian, Dunn, and Press is ridiculous really in either of these two matches.

            News flash USSF: The tickets have been bought. The kids will scream just as loud for their newest hero, maybe louder. The star name players can be there to sign autographs or have a PR practice or events the day before. Mia left. Akers left. Abby left. Hope is done and the band plays on for better or worse.

            Two cycle rule (what I proposed 4 years ago) makes sense. Really good sense. Every player who starts and enters the senior NT gets two cycles or translates into 4 majors. A major is classified as either a WC or OG. A player given when they enter can have 3 WC and 1 OG or any combination totaling 4. When they get 4, it’s adios. Even it that means a 27 year old like Pugh at the time of her 4 says goodbye. Thanks for your contributions, but we don’t need you on the NT. The gig is up. If we have the best keeper or the best mid in the world at 29 and that player did 4 majors, see ya.

            We can and we will win without you. Run it like Alabama football. The talent replenishes itself continually. I mean I just saw Sullivan play for the first time in these two games and it was like wow, where the hell has she been?

            It’s a national team. Not a club team. Let’s give all our top young players a chance to dream and not an obvious roadblock based on sorority mentality.

          • kernel_thai

            Disregarding what the coaches saw, no one made a bigger impression on the fans in that game than Ohai just like Williams did in the first game. To just jump and grab a goal is what fans remember

          • Steglitz49

            You got to take your chances when they come along — like Alex in 2010 and 2011.

          • mockmook

            I think the one thing everyone will remember is Carli’s shot heard round the world.

        • Calci0

          Scoring a goal helps.

          • kernel_thai

            Ellis might not be able to remember what she said in the last interview but she seems to remember goals.

    • Paul Klee

      Sullivan is more Ellis’s type.

      • kernel_thai

        Why so?

        • Paul Klee

          Tall and apparently can play center back. Lanky smooth plays head up.

        • kate

          i think he mistakenly wrote “not ellis type” and edited the post. clearly Sullivan is Ellis’ new golden girl

          • kernel_thai

            Ah

          • Paul Klee

            Geez I changed that in less than 15 seconds.

          • kernel_thai

            But it only changes for us if we reload the posts.

          • Paul Klee

            Ahhh

      • guest

        what? she is her new star…

  • Frozen Blue

    I wonder if Horan will be called into the next camp, didn’t look good either game. If Ellis is serious that no ones position is safe, she shouldn’t be.

    • HOFCToDi

      Carli Lloyd is better in the hole beneath the two strikers within the 3-5-2 tactical formation than Lindsey Horan.

    • BRASILEIRO

      I’ll laugh. She left Europe to play in the US and now takes in the ass

  • Sam

    Will be shocked if Williams gets called in again. She needed to score tonight. Not a clinical finisher, that’s for sure.

    • BRASILEIRO

      It stays that way

    • Guest

      What a horrible assist to Dunn

      • Sam

        who cares? she is a FORWARD who played 90 to prove herself against a pretty bad defense… she has the speed to pass her defenders, yes, but her shots were just not NT quality at all.

        • Guest

          Were Lloyd’s shots NT quality when she first came in?

          • DNG

            Lloyd’s shot selection is still very much in question for me. Forget about when she first came in. She cashed in on one today.

          • HOFCToDi

            You are a blithering idiot, a clueless moron, a worthless troll.

            In the last four international women’s friendlies:

            foxsports.com/soccer/boxscore?id=32515

            foxsports.com/soccer/boxscore?id=32516

            foxsports.com/soccer/boxscore?id=33370

            foxsports.com/soccer/boxscore?id=33371

            Shots/Shots on Goal
            Lloyd – 15/12
            Press – 11/06

          • HOFCToDi

            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
            Shots/Shots on Goal
            Lloyd – 17/9
            Press – 7/2

          • guest

            it was a different time back then. it’s so much more competitive now. Press got 2 goals and an assist in her first cap. Morgan qualified us for the World cup way back in 2010. etc. etc. Don’t see Williams making that kind of impact. She’s fast, sure, but not a great goal scorer

          • kernel_thai

            I think the biggest hurdle Williams has is formation. The two front suits her game but if Ellis moves away from that she doesnt fit as well.

          • Steglitz49

            Two up front would be wise against the top ranked teams.

            A lot of ladies teams are experimenting with 4-3-3 but it is hard to play with a 3 player midfield against top opposition and it is also dangerous to play with just 3 in the back against them.

          • Observed

            Golden Boot is not good enough? What planet is this?

    • Lindsey

      Dramatic much? If the qualifications for a player to get a future call up was for them to score in every single game then there would be a full turn over in forwards every other camp.

      • guest

        McCaffrey got dinged even after scoring.

        • Guest

          Because after that, she had like 6 straight games of doing absolutely nothing.

      • mockmook

        Amen, brother/sister/whatever…

      • guest

        It’s so competitive now, that I wouldn’t be surprised that is the requirement though. look at what happened to the last call ups, like mccaffrey

        • kernel_thai

          McCaffrey is still in contract no woman’s land. If they stopped bringing her in because she was out of floaters day she might get another look next year when that resets.

        • Katie Curtiss

          mccaffrey’s ego got in the way of her being called up again

    • HOFCToDi

      Not a clinical finisher, that’s for sure.

      Christen Press
      International Women’s Friendly
      18 Sep 2016
      USA 3 NED 1
      Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 2, Shots on Goal 0

      foxsports.com/soccer/boxscore?id=32516

      Christen Press
      International Women’s Friendly
      15 Sep 2016
      USA 9 THA 0
      Goals 1, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 2, Shots on Goal 2

      foxsports.com/soccer/boxscore?id=32515

      Christen Press
      2016 Rio Olympics
      12 Aug 2016
      USA 1 SWE 1
      Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 2, Shots on Goal 0
      Penalty Kicks Attempted 1, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

      rio2016.com/en/football-womens-quarterfinal-fb-3

      Christen Press
      2016 Rio Olympics
      09 Aug 2016
      USA 2 COL 2
      Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 4, Shots on Goal 1

      rio2016.com/en/football-womens-first-round-group-g-fb-5

      Christen Press
      International Women’s Friendly
      22 Jul 2016
      USA 4 CRC 0
      Goals 1, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 4, Shots on Goal 1

      foxsports.com/soccer/boxscore?id=27321

      Christen Press
      International Women’s Friendly
      9 Jul 2016
      USA 1 RSA 0
      Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 2, Shots on Goal 0

      foxsports.com/soccer/boxscore?id=26928

      Christen Press
      International Women’s Friendly
      5 Jun 2016
      USA 2 JPN 0
      Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 2, Shots on Goal 1

      foxsports.com/soccer/boxscore?id=26862

      Christen Press
      International Women’s Friendly
      2 Jun 2016
      USA 3 JPN 3
      Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 2, Shots on Goal 0

      foxsports.com/soccer/boxscore?id=26754

      • guest

        just ignore her goals in the last two games, moron

        • HOFCToDi

          Just ignore her goals at the Summer Olympics, moron.

          Christen Press
          2016 Summer Olympic Games
          Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 6, Shots on Goal 1
          Penalty Kicks Attempted 1, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

          • smallbatches

            and yet she keeps scoring making you look more and more like an ass with some sick vendetta

          • HOFCToDi

            Christen Press
            2015 Algarve Cup
            6 Mar 2015
            USA 3 SUI 0
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 1, Shots on Goal 0

            foxsports.com/soccer/boxscore?id=17273

          • zentech11

            HOFCToDi, since you love pasting stats about Christen Press, you may want to take note that she actually had a better scoring ratio than any other USWNT player except for Carli Lloyd (they basically tied) in 2015.

            Christen Press
            2015 USWNT Stats
            Minutes Played: 1159
            Goals Scored: 10
            (Around 1 goal every 115.90 minutes)

            Alex Morgan
            2015 USWNT Stats
            Minutes Played: 1547
            Goals Scored: 7
            (Around 1 goal every 221.00 minutes)

            Carli Lloyd
            2015 USWNT Stats
            Minutes Played: 2073
            Goals Scored: 18
            (Around 1 goal every 115.16 minutes)

            http://www.ussoccer.com/womens-national-team/stats/2015-statistics

          • mockmook

            HoF isn’t interested in contradictory stats — if it doesn’t support his point of view, it doesn’t really exist.

          • HOFCToDi

            State the goal scored versus the following opponents:
            JPN, ENG, GER, SWE, CAN, BRA
            In other words, the four semifinalists at the 2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup and the four semifinalists at the 2016 Rio Olympics. Incidentally, the aforementioned teams finished in the medals at the 2011 FIFA Women’s World Cup and the 2012 London Olympics.

          • HOFCToDi

            State the goals scored at the following notable tournaments:

            2013 Algarve Cup
            2014 Algarve Cup
            2015 Algarve Cup
            2016 SheBelieves Cup

            2014 CONCACAF Women’s Championship
            2016 CONCACAF Women’s Olympic Qualifying

            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
            2016 Rio Olympics

            For example, the only time Christen Press scored more than one goal was at the 2014 CONCACAF Women’s Championship against HAI (FIFA Rank #60) and the 2016 CONCACAF Women’s Olympic Qualifying against PUR (FIFA Rank #108).

            fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/women/rank=547/index.html

            fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/women/rank=552/index.html

          • HOFCToDi

            Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

            garbage time
            prima donna
            selfish shot hog
            tomato cans

            2016 Rio Olympics
            Goals
            Lloyd 2, Press 0

            2016 Rio Olympics
            Assists
            Lloyd 1, Press 0

            2016 Rio Olympics
            Shots Attempted/Shots on Goal
            Lloyd 10/4, Press 6/1

            2016 Rio Olympics
            Penalty Kicks Attempted/Penalty Kicks Converted
            Lloyd 1/1, Press 1/0

            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
            Goals
            Lloyd 6, Press 1

            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
            Assists
            Lloyd 1, Press 0

            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
            Shots Attempted/Shots on Goal
            Lloyd 17/9, Press 7/2

            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
            Penalty Kicks Attempted/Penalty Kicks Converted
            Lloyd 2/2, Press 0/0

            Nevermind Christen Press started eleven of the first twelve matches for the USWNT in calendar year 2015.

            ussoccer.com/womens-national-team/lineups/2015-lineups

          • HOFCToDi

            Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

            garbage time
            prima donna
            selfish shot hog
            tomato cans

            2016 Calendar Year
            Christen Press
            Goals Scored
            CRC, PUR, COL, COL, CRC, THA, SUI, SUI

            en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_FIFA_country_codes

            Christen Press has yet to score against a FIFA Top Twelve Ranked opponent in calendar year 2016.

            fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/women/index.html

          • HOFCToDi

            Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

            garbage time
            prima donna
            selfish shot hog
            tomato cans

            Christen Press has yet to be named Budweiser Woman of the Match in calendar year 2016.

            ussoccer.com/womens-national-team/results-statistics

          • DumbHOFCToDi

            Lameass loser. Nothing better to do other than sprouting these useless stats.

        • HOFCToDi

          Just ignore her goals at the SheBelieves Cup, moron.

          Christen Press
          2016 SheBelieves Cup
          Goals 0, Assists 0

          • DumbHOFCToDi

            What a loser. Nothing better to do other than sprouting these useless stats.

        • kernel_thai

          She played well at least IMO but how she managed to find the bar again with an open net is baffling

          • anon

            I mean… williams cleared it 20 feet above the net, is that better? None of our forwards tonight were absolutely on point. except maybe carli 🙂

          • kernel_thai

            It is a known fact that it is much harder to hit the bar than the stands : )

          • Steglitz49

            What is the soccer equivalent of the 19th hole?

          • Steglitz49

            Maybe she needs to join AA, not the AAA?

    • Steglitz49

      Let’s wait and see. Romania will be an even easier opponent than this Swiss team, so JE will learn even less.

    • Katie Curtiss

      not a clinical finisher, yeah ok, so winning Golden Boot in the NWSL wasn’t enough, or the two goals she scored against Portland, or coming up clutch and nailing the equalizer goal in the Final with her head which she had never scored with her head before, and then her crazy PK. Yeah ok, not a clinical finisher. Besides you don’t have to be good at scoring goals to make the team. She created a lot of havoc in her first game and was everywhere in the 2nd, combine that with the crazy speed and that can create opportunities for others. Besides, its only her 2nd cap with the team she is still probably getting used to everything

      • JL

        To be fair, Williams has had games where she couldn’t put a shot anywhere close to being on frame. That miss against Orlando where she had a wide open net from 7 yards out and smacked it off the crossbar still annoys me. But every forward has those games, not just Williams.

        • Steglitz49

          Williams’s team won the Championship and Lynn got the golden slipper or whatever the Goalscoring Queen gets so the imperfections are lost in the pink mists of time if not an alcoholic haze of elephants.

  • Calci0

    Curious to see what the complaints will be from this game 😉

  • jdee26

    All soccer formations have weaknesses; consequently, the 3-5-2 is susceptible to the long pass and misplaced passes in the team’s half of the pitch. This aside, it is incumbent on the mid- 5, especially the wing halfbacks to be very skillful in passing, tackling and above all, possess cover speed when they lose the ball to the opposing team. Kelli O’hara is a converted forward playing halfback and playing stellar defense is not in her repertoire. Consequently,it is not the system but the personnel plugged into the system. A lone goal scored by the opposing team hardly spells doom for any system.

    • mockmook

      Disagree about O’Hara — but she may be outclassed by others by 2019

      • Steglitz49

        Imagine S49 in 2019 …

    • Steglitz49

      KO was converted into a LB by Pia. She has played fine as an LB but maybe she is getting too long in the tooth or all that chocomilk she has to drink for PR purposes is having tis effect.

  • kimchikvetch

    Newcomer here with a question: Is it just me or does the NT defense lack significant speed? As good as the defense has been, once Rampone left, it seems susceptible to speedy counterattacks (esp. Sauerbrunn who is otherwise fantastic). It was fatal against Sweden and again, today, the one Swiss goal came off a breakdown that faster defenders may have recovered from. Just curious what y’all think.

    • anon

      Ellis doesn’t care about Defense. The good news is, for 90% of these opponents it doesn’t matter. The bad news is, for the 1% of coaches who understand this and have a competent team (Pia), they use it against us. JJ and Broon, the marquee defenders, are both extremely slow. The new solution to CB, Long, is also not particularly fast and is not a natural defender.

      • mockmook

        “JJ and Broon,… are both extremely slow”

        That’s just not true.

        • anon

          ok, slow for a professional athlete.

          • kernel_thai

            The problem is it’s hard to pair two players with average pace. If either one were pacey the other would be fine.

          • ABCDE

            *whistles* why the defense fell apart when they benched krieger *whistles*

        • jdee26

          Not extremely slow but lack cover speed in space. Swedish goal in the Olympics exposed Broon just as the goal by Switzerland today exposed O’ hara. I would add: the goal keeper could have punched out the ball farther. Already missing Solo.

          • mockmook

            O’Hara was WB — the CBs should have been able to cover that play, but they aren’t familiar enough (or disciplined enough) with it yet.

          • Steglitz49

            Too much chocolate milk impairs your speed if not your performance?

      • jdee26

        Totally agree with your assessment. The 3-5-2 formation is not suitable for JJ, Broon or Long.The Swedish goal in the Olympics underscored the main deficiency of USWNT’s defense. Even though the team was not in classic 3-5-2 formation, it committed 5 players to the midfield exposing the defense to long balls and dispossessions in the mid field. Lack of defensive cover speed exacerbated this problem. Such leakages are inevitable until she can plug in the right players.

        • Steglitz49

          I contend that 3 in defense is too much risk against top teams.

          3-4-3 is OK against weak teams when even 2-4-4 might be OK but against the serious opposition, 3-5-2 is just a starting line-up to test the waters.

          • jdee26

            Not necessarily true.The USWNT were in the 4-4-2 formation when France scored two quick goals in the group stages of the 2012 Olympics. All formations have weaknesses with the wrong personnel. The Swiss goal in the 8th minute was aided by Heath’s inability or unwillingness to stay with the attacking Swiss player. Though Heath is not the fastest player on the team, she could have made the effort.

    • kernel_thai

      One of the reason Short and Gilliland were brought in was to add pace. Problem is for this plan to work the perfect solution is to have Sauerbrunn as central passing CB. By moving her wide they make her speed more of an issue.

      • mockmook

        But, I wouldn’t say that Short or Gilliland are known for their defending — you need CBs who are fast, but fast defenders.

        Let the Wings be the super fast ones (and that could be Short and Gilliland, but I prefer Ohai and Dunn).

        • kernel_thai

          I think Short is good defender…I think Gilliland is better on the offensive end. The problem with SHort is she has most of her experience at outside back so just throwing her in at wing back or CB was a little unfair. The odd thing for me is short is more a Krieger type OB so if Krieger doesnt work for her why would she think Short would. Short is left footed tho and Ellis loves that. Also is it stupid of me not to notice the back line had Long & Short until someone pointed it out?

          • mockmook

            “Also is it stupid of me not to notice the back line had Long & Short until someone pointed it out?”

            Well, I didn’t notice it until k_t pointed it out…

            Anyway, this all needs adjustment and time if they really want it to work. As you say, neither Short nor Long are CBs.

            But, we did see how fast JJ came on as a CB, so a quick transition is possible. Or, they can get some real CBs to make it work.

          • kernel_thai

            Yeah but JJ came on to quickly and that’s why u see cracks. CB is a lot about experience so when a really weird situation happens it doesnt turn into a yellow card. For this to work for me Sauerbrunn would have to be able to handle the passing role in the center. In that way u have ur best defender in front of goal so her speed is less an issue. Then u put players like Short and Menges on either side so they have the pace to cover from the middle to the side line. Then u find two pacey wing backs like Ohai and Heath who can get back as well as get forward. Then it might work…IMO

          • #1Fan

            Heath is far from pacey. Not a wing back for me.

          • kernel_thai

            Actually she seems faster than I ever thought she was but pacey might be too much. U cant play with wing backs who dont have forward speed

          • DNG

            In a full spring without the ball I think her pace is fine. I don’t have as much of an issue with it as #1Fan. There are other reasons Heath wouldn’t be my first choice to play WB such as her tendency to always want to come inside and not great crossing ability.

          • Steglitz49

            Acceleration trumps speed in soccer. Speed over 35-40 yds or even just 15-20 yds is what matters. It is rare that pure sustained speed is relevant in soccer.

          • DNG

            I actually don’t have as much of an issue with Heath’s pace although she’s certainly slower than Dunn, Ohai or O’hara. Bigger issue for me with Heath at WB is that I don’t know if she has the discipline to play the position.

          • #1Fan

            Im just stating a fact in response to the comment above

            Then u find two pacey wing backs like Ohai and Heath

            I don’t think she is a WB. Im sure Ellis sees it different. I think a real good wide player would force her deep and blunt her as an attacking option.

          • DNG

            I don’t think she’s a wing back either. She may be able to play in a lot of positions but WB isn’t really suited to her skill set or style of play. She never looked comfortable there when Riley played her there for the Thorns a year ago. She also just isn’t a very good crosser in general.

          • DNG

            I have similar problems fitting Pugh into this formation as well.

          • Steglitz49

            Let’s see how Ms Pugh develops. She may not be so hot in 2019 that it is a concern. We will get an inkling in the U20 WC later this year.

          • Steglitz49

            Do you mean wings or wingbacks?

          • Arcie Tillydee

            Heath started changing her fitness regime a couple years ago (compare pics…she’s much leaner now), and her pace improved considerably. She’s no Dunn or Press or Menges in speed…but she’s pretty quick these days. I’d say easily fast enough for a wingback, and for 90 minutes, too.

          • guest

            that is true. heath is not fast and has no acceleration.

          • jdee26

            Still experimenting until Jill finds right combination of players for her 3-5-2 formation. Totally agree: Allie Long not suitable for CB position.

          • Steglitz49

            3-5-2 is an excellent starting formation because if the opposition turns out to be weaker than you thought, it readily becomes 3-4-3 and if the opposition is stronger than expected, it becomes 4-4-2. Sometimes a 3-5-2 becomes a 3-2-3-2. It is all evolution and adaptation as the match goes on.

          • CED

            Play a 3-5-2 against Germany or France and it’s a slaughter. SUI with all it’s starters would have had that 3 back in a world of hurt.

          • Steglitz49

            Are you proposing a 5 player defensive line? Against which NT would the US need to play so defensively? Not even Germany.

          • NYRick

            The NY Giants currently have two DBs named Apple and Adams. They actually made a tackle together in the game today and the announcer laughed when he realized he said “Adams and Apple in on the tackle.”

          • JL

            Okay, that’s funny.

          • Steglitz49

            If Short is an OB why not play her as an OB.

            Btw, how do you separate between a WB and OB? To me a WB is an OB who comes far up in attack. If you are going to use WB then your defense must have a plan to manage them wandering up field.

          • mockmook

            BTW, no candidates for WB have meaningful experience at WB

        • Steglitz49

          Short is not a wing, at least not in the usual meaning of that term. Short is defender. Casey is worth persevering with.

          • CED

            Short is mediocre to be kind. People criticize Kling and Short is many times worse defensively and is not as good offensively either

    • HOFCToDi

      Kelley O’Hara is quite the defender.

      youtube.com/watch?v=IpAE3-5Y9Qg&list=PLO1L19nqRH27C3X5phKYnb-8orT0RxtBs&index=2

      4:17

      • BCAD

        I mean we could probably all find a time when our defenders have screwed up individually.

        • HOFCToDi

          The USWNT have only allowed 13 goals since the conclusion of the 2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup.
          By the way, who was booked for the foul that led to COL second goal at the 2016 Rio Olympics?

          • BCAD

            Again I repeat there are times when our defenders have screwed individually.

      • Steglitz49

        Why are they looking down? The are commemorating something but what? Was it that shooting in Florida?

        • NYRick

          Carli just told them she is staying till OG20.

    • Paul Klee

      What did Broon do today three runs inside the 18. It’ll take them awhile to figure it out but they got time

    • Arcie Tillydee

      The lineup being fielded out back isn’t pacey, no. In fact, there were no real speedsters on the callup roster out there at CB, although Sonnett is decently quick. OB had faster players (Short, for example), but a defensive selection emphasizing pace would have to be pretty different.

      • kernel_thai

        I think her selections on defense were based on her plan to move her DM back to CB

      • CED

        The back is slow even with the supposed regular starters.

        • Arcie Tillydee

          No argument there.

  • Bluenun

    I’m really glad for all the new kids but lets be real they played Switzerland , ranked 15th without their top 5 starters and next up Romania! Anybody and any formation can look good against these type of opponents. Get happy or upset when they play top teams!

    • guest

      the only “new kid” with a solidified spot is Andi Sullivan, who has been on USSoccer’s radar forever

      • GT

        Agreed. Sullivan looks solid. I thought Mewis and Dahlkemper off the bench also looked solid. I think Williams and Short clearly have the speed and athleticism to compete at the highest level, however, I’d like to see them get better “on the ball”. To me Short and Hinkle are almost identical in skill set. It’s not clear to me that either are better then Klingenberg at the left back position (also no worse.) Ellis has a deep pool to choose from.

        • Guest2

          I saw shades of Carli’s style in the shot Mewis took from 30yds.

          • Steglitz49

            30 shades of Carli?

    • HOFCToDi

      Four starters missing from the 2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup.

      Bachmann – Out
      Crnogorčević – Out
      Rinast – Out
      Wälti – Out

      • mockmook

        Holiday – Out
        Klingenberg – Out
        A.Morgan – Out
        Krieger – Out
        Rapinoe – Out
        J.Johnston – Out
        Solo – Out

      • Steglitz49

        High time to play one of the Nordic countries again. Starting with Iceland seems the safer bet.

        • HOFCToDi

          I doubt the USSF schedules any matches for December. If the USSF schedules a match in late January/early February, it will most likely be a CONCACAF or UEFA cream puff.

          • Steglitz49

            They may wait till the SheBelieveCup, though maybe invite a stronger challenge than France?

          • HOFCToDi

            youtube.com/watch?v=zwDvF0NtgdU

          • CED

            For the 5th time in this thread the USSFplan is known…Nothing in December already stated. Nov last games of the year. January camp, 2 friendlies in Feb, and SBC at start of March.

          • Guest2

            You should provide a link.

          • CED

            It’s called read the budget and USSF statements that there will be no games in december b/c there is no VT.

          • Som Termanni

            > It’s called read the budget

            http://media.philly.com/documents/2016+U.S.+Soccer+Annual+General+Meeting+Minutes.pdf, section IV, specifically the WNT FY 17 event budget on page 57, which includes 10 “Olympic Victory Tour” games that are now the September, October, and November friendlies for 2016 (and four games budgeted for December that won’t happen).

            The budget then mentions a January training camp, two February friendlies, and a three-game March domestic tournament.

            > and USSF statements that there will be no games in december b/c there is no VT

            http://www.ussoccer.com/stories/2016/10/10/16/22/161010-wnt-will-play-romania-in-san-jose-and-carson-calif-on-nov-10-and-13 on Oct. 10: “The matches (vs. Romania) will conclude the 2016 schedule for the U.S. Women, who have gone 18-0-3 so far this year.”

          • Lorehead

            Do we know the December games won’t happen? Good to hear that USSF isn’t pulling resources away after their disappointing performance in Rio, and that people are still showing up to watch.

          • guest

            only one person here is qualified to provide links.

          • zentech11

            Haha, this made me laugh out loud. I like your sense of humor – well played, well played.

          • zentech11

            Relax, you seem tense 🙂 Here are some pictures of cute kittens that may cheer you up: https://www.buzzfeed.com/kaelintully/dont-stop-me-now-im-havin-such-a-good-time-yea-im-a-kitten?utm_term=.horla6Y6r#.gu3emBxBz

          • guest

            any rumors who the other SBC teams will be yet?

          • CED

            “The USSF has confirmed that the SheBelieves Cup will return for the next
            three years, with England, France and Germany all returning as participants in future years.”

            http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Daily/Issues/2016/03/10/Events-and-Attractions/SheBelieves-Cup.aspx

    • rkmid71

      Even with these friendlies, I think the USWNT is seriously under budget for 2016 — with no VT and these limited # of post OG matches The last 4 match attendances have been: 10,490, 15,652, 14,336, 23,400. I can’t recall the attendances assumed in the budget, but I’m fairly certain actual much less than budget. I observe that the first two games were with the OG roster, the last two with the new players.

      • atalba

        If they won the gold, like they should have, attendance would be different. Everybody likes a winner!

    • JL

      So why is Germany being praised for their recent performance against Austria, a team ranked 10 spots lower than Switzerland?

      • Som Termanni

        FIFA rankings are OK indicators when teams are stable, but Austria’s on more of an upswing than Switzerland (Nina Burger is peaking, and broke the Austrian WNT goalscoring record during EURO qualifiers), and Germany is breaking in Steffi Jones as a new coach (this was her third match) and simultaneously dealing with roster turnover (stalwarts Annike Krahn and Melanie Behringer, with more than 250 caps between them, retired from international play 2 months ago).

        Austria played its best lineup against Germany, including its two top EURO goal scorers Nina Burger (who starts for F. Bundesliga’s SC Sand) and Nicole Billa, while Switzerland dealt with 2-4 key players missing in each friendly vs. the US.

        Austria pulled even at 54′ and Germany needed to gut out a late goal from relatively inexperienced players (Faißt with 33 caps, Petermann with 35 caps) to pull away.

        This isn’t to say that Germany pulled off a bigger feat than the US blowing away a Swiss team of any shape, and Jill Ellis cooking up whatever meth lineups she can think of, by 9-1 on aggregate. But for a new coach of a team transitioning away from key players, against an Austrian team capable of keeping pace for the first 60′ regardless of their FIFA ranking, it was a good developmental performance.

    • JL

      USA beats team ranked outside top 10- “So what? Big deal! It’s only *insert team they just beat*! Wait until they play Germany/France/England! They’ll get destroyed!”

      Germany/France/England beats low ranked team- “ZOMG! Germany/France/England is amazing! Look at how they crushed that low ranked team! They’re going to do the same to the US!”

      • Bluenun

        We are not going to play these low ranked teams for the WC or gold medal! They are not helping us get better!. Just getting Jill wins so everyone gets off her back for being a awful coach and to make money!

        Couldn’t care less about who/if Germany is playing now only when the y play us!

  • guest

    Pro tip: Reading Equalizer is much less stressful after blocking ‘HOFCToDi’… 🙂

    Anyway, great job today USWNT! I’ve been thoroughly enjoying watching these friendlies.

    • Steglitz49

      If you enjoy censorship so much, try living in North-Korea. At least the DDR vanished more than a quarter of a century ago.

      • CED

        Try learning about censorship compared to ignoring an idiot like HOFCToDi

        • Steglitz49

          HOFCToDi can be and frequently is quite lucid and informed. The Pressgang sets him off and he is not the only one whose goat is gotten by them.

          • Kevin

            I’ve never seen a single intelligent, insightful or informed post from him.

            All of his statistics are erroneous and irrelevant.

            He’s really good at posting useless links though.

          • Steglitz49

            Your memory is a selective weedkiller. I and others have had perfectly valid comment interactions with him.

            Granted, he does go off on rants at times, some of which are totally bizarre to say the least and many just tedious and rude.

            He told me, though I have no way of checking, that he was able to retire early because of having had luck with investments he made as a young man. Make of that what you will but he seems to have time on his hands.

          • Kevin

            You just have lower standards than I do for what I consider intelligent or insightful.

          • Steglitz49

            I find his linking of the relative lack of success for the Swedish adult MNT to the success of both the senior and U19 Swedish WNT a bit strange to say the least, also given how successful the Swedish U21 men were.

            He is the other side of the coin with the Pressgang on the front side. It is noteworthy how less voiciferous the key members of the Pressoni have been since August.

          • Kevin

            I didn’t join this site until after the 2015 WC, so I have no idea who the so-called Pressgang is/was other than NYRick.

          • Steglitz49

            NYRick started the campaign to get Christen Press on to the USWNT in early 2013 if not even earlier. He was soon joined by Reality and the Newsouth. At their height they made HOFCToDi look tame.

            In fairness, their campaign succeeded. Christen stayed on the NT and she did win a WC winners medal, which not that many women player have one. The downside is that they slagged off Alex Morgan and always compared Alex negatively to Christen in the face of all the evidence.

          • Kevin

            I think it’s time everyone moves on from that. I never saw any of that and I joined this forum over a year ago, just after the 2015 WC.

          • Paul Klee

            He/she actually brings up something new and interesting once in a blue moon and if that happens another poster will refer to it. At that point you can logout read the post and log back in. Same thing I do with a certain person who posts a massive amount of non sequiturs and constant references to petty irritations, though he does contribute an occasional interesting point. Just saved a lot of space.

      • AGuest2

        At least here you have the freedom to just ignore someone that is an annoyance with just a simple click.

        • Steglitz49

          Please register yourself so we can follow your comments.

    • Som Termanni
      • sowerofpower

        brilliant…

    • Kevin

      Great idea… not sure why I never did that before. I just blocked him and the quality of posts on this site just increased exponentially.

      • Steglitz49

        I am not convinced. Once you start blocking people you keep blocking and soon there is nothing left to read.

        I just ignore the comments. Those who are not registered I encourage to register themselves so we can follow their comments.

        The ones I really detest are those who make personal derogatory and snide comments or do not respect players choices, most obviously those who still refuse to refer to Lauren Holiday by Holiday, the surname she chose to have on her jersey but there are other examples of pathetic commentary.

        • Kevin

          He’s the only person I’ll block.

          Besides, I already know what he’s going to post every time… erroneous and irrelevant statistics about Lloyd and Press, irrelevant links to 2008-2012, etc.

          He dodges any and every debate you try to have with him because he knows absolutely nothing about soccer, just how to post links and troll.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKjxFJfcrcA

        • zentech11

          I see what you are trying to say and agree it’s important to respect differing views. However, when someone posts an overly excessive amount of posts calling players as well as other people on this board “LOSERS!”, “international frauds!”, “blithering idiots!” – at that point I consider them in the Spam category and am all on board with the blocking strategy.

          By the way, Steglitz49, you say that you “detest those who make personal derogatory and snide comments” – I’m assuming you are aware but HOFCToDi also refers to you as a “blithering idiot” on multiple occasions?

          Examples:

          “HOFCToDi guest 18 hours ago
          Steglitz49 is a blithering idiot, a clueless moron, and a worthless troll. The stupid Swede can’t even answer a simple question. How many stars are on the Sweden women’s national football team kit?”

          “HOFCToDi Som Termanni 17 days ago
          ……So much for Bardsley’s supposed height advantage. Proving once again Steglitz49 is a blithering idiot.”

          It seems like you probably know and just have thicker skin than most. Either way, I digress.

  • BCAD

    Im excited for the direction the team is headed in despite Jill Ellis being at the helm. I am ready for the US to play some tougher competition. I also am curious as to how Sydney Leroux will fit back into this.

  • zentech11

    Any chance there will be any friendlies in December/January, or do they typically take those months off?

    • mockmook

      Definitely none this December. Likely none in January — but they usually have a camp.

      • kernel_thai

        Last year they played Ireland at the close of Jan camp but being an off year I wouldnt expect to see a match til Feb.

      • CED

        This is already long revealed info from the FY budget plan. January camp, 2 friendlies in feb before SBC at beginning of march which will coincide with the FIFA window. This is the same window as Algarve

        • guest

          have you heard anymore rumors or have anymore opinions about the ongoing cba equal pay dispute between the ussf and the uswnt?

          • CED

            I remember reading there was suppose to be a scheduled negotiation session late October or early November. The notion of getting what equal to MNT was ludicrous based on the numbers to start. The numbers for 2016 are going to show that dramatically. 2016 shows just how tenuous the WNT revenue can be and why they lost money for the other 29 years. 2015 numbers were an anomaly based on drawing 27K+ per game. 2016 FY numbers are about 17K/game average, which is still on pace to be 2nd or 3rd best ever for friendlies. But, the loss of 4 games not having a VT is 3.2M loss in revenue from what was projected. Money lost from not winning OG and the other post OG games attendance, besides the last were 10,400 to 15600. Revenue is over 4M off the projections and that’s assuming the 2 remaining 2016 friendlies, 2 feb. 2017 friendlies and 3 SBC games all hit targets. If those fall off targets it could be 5 or up to 6M off the projections. WNT might lose money in FY 2016. The FY 2016 numbers are destroying what little leverage they thought they had. 1st year of a cycle and the supposed desire to bring the max non contacted players into camps all put the leverage with USSF. USSF will offer about the standard 20 to 25% increases. They won’t do what they should do and stop the contract system. The WNT would have a fit if they were actually pay per game and were treated like the MNT. Anytime can be your last call up, no 1yr guarantee of a salary.

    • HOFCToDi

      2017 FIFA women’s international match calendar

      resources.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/administration/02/78/12/40/circularno.1535-2017fifawomensinternationalmatchcalendar_neutral.pdf

      • mockmook

        Per usual, your reply provided almost zero information relevant to the person you were responding to.

    • CED

      OMG do basic research this is stuff talked about 100 times. The schedule for the fiscal year on games was known long ago.

      • zentech11

        Good story, bro 😉 I’ve been keeping my eye on the US Soccer schedule, but know that new dates sometimes pop up and figured someone on here with more knowledge would have better insight.

    • JL

      The two matches against Romania are the last two this year.

      • Steglitz49

        Thus endeth the Bomb tour. Thanks be to Sweden.

  • #1Fan

    USSF do a horrible job of giving new players a real audition. I don’t ned to see Carli Lloyd out there if it means that some of the new players get 10 mins. it is a stupid system, Give these players at least 45 mins to justify selection. There really is no such thing as a friendly in the USSF mind. Playing each other in Camp does NOT replicate Intl soccer.

    • Guest

      read any players’ firsthand account – sponsorships matter, who can sell tickets, etc. as long as carli is scoring goals, she won’t be cut

      • #1Fan

        You assume that others given the opportunity would not score. Against this level of opposition fwds will score. Heck Williams AND Ohai did it in far less time. I don’t really need to read players accounts. Once you are in the Club you are not going to rock the boat.

        • NYRick

          Truer words never spoken as it pertains to this team.

        • Steglitz49

          “Once you are in the Club” — an unfortunate choice of words, but never mind.

    • kernel_thai

      My problem was it was 4-1 with 27 minutes left. Why not give all 27 minutes to Ohai?

      • HOFCToDi

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        • Steglitz49

          Vow!

          Will the next version be in bodypaint, perhaps?

          • HOFCToDi

            Time for you to take a cold shower, junior.

          • Steglitz49

            Sex sells.

            Better be paid by Chocomilk than dropping your kit for the cameras, I contend.

          • Steglitz49

            No socks and no shinguards for obvious reasons. Likewise with bellybutton showing, like many a track-n-field athlete.

            Looks like a volleyball outfit. Maybe do an intermediate version in beach volleball outfit before going for the Full Monty.

    • DNG

      This is my view as well. Give every new player a half and more to the ones that impress. There is nothing we will se in theses games from Lloyd, Heath, Sauerbrunn, Press, Ohara, and to a lesser extent Dunn and Brian as well, that we don’t already know about them. All the veterans are well known by the coaching staff already. Brian already has over 60 appearances.

    • Steglitz49

      It could be that they are scared of losing their #1 ranking. Losing to or even just tying Switzerland would drop them below Germany in ranking.

  • goofla

    Anyone know where I can see a full replay of the match? I was at work this morning!

    • goofla

      It looks like Fox Sports is showing it again at 11, but I don’t think I can stay up that late…

  • NYRick

    Most importantly…

    There was a brief mention about Holiday and her surgery. It sounded promising. Any more significant news on that or is little information presently known.

    • Steglitz49

      Thanks for bringing this up. I guess it will be a couple of months before they know?

      • mockmook

        IANAD, but since this was benign, it seems reasonable to think they will know very quickly if it has been a success — IOW, no more symptoms and no adverse effects from the surgery.

        • Steglitz49

          Thank you. I have had my appendix out as an adult but never had brain surgery so can’t comment from experience but an operation is a sort of wound so it must be given time to heal. 8 weeks seemed a reasonable guess.

          • Som Termanni

            > I have had my appendix out as an adult but never had brain surgery

            Sounds like the doctor mixed things up.

          • Steglitz49

            Touché! I think I will stay as I am though, at least for now.

            Thanks for keeping us up to date on the European front. We have to wait for the draw but a final between germany and Holland is not beyond possibility (unless they meet in a SF, obviously).

          • mockmook

            Classic!!!! That’s a keeper 🙂

  • NYRick

    Gonna throw in one of Bill Maher’s New Rules:

    NEW RULE: For the USWNT, no player who presently enters the system should be allowed to get to 100 caps.

    NEW RULE: Unless you’re Carli Lloyd and then you can merrily proceed to 300, even 400. Wherever your heart takes you.

    • HOFCToDi

      memecrunch.com/meme/TDEI/the-hate-is-strong-with-this-one/image.png

    • mockmook

      BETTER RULE: Let every player earn the caps that they deserve, regardless of number.

      • kernel_thai

        The whole caps thing is Ellis once again not understanding the problem

        • Steglitz49

          I don’t follow you but never mind.

    • Steglitz49

      There are 9 Japanese players with >100 caps of whom 1 (Homare Sawa) has >200 caps but 4 of those no longer play. Of the current Swedish squad there are 5 players with >100 caps but I don’t know how many retired players have had >100 caps.

      • HOFCToDi

        Lloyd Leads USA to 5-1 win vs. SUI on Record-Setting Day in Minneapolis

        ussoccer.com/stories/2016/10/23/20/00/161023-wnt-lloyd-leads-usa-to-5-1-win-vs-switzerland-on-record-setting-day-in-Minneapolis

        Budweiser Woman of the Match: Carli Lloyd

        • Steglitz49

          Who cares? The team she captained in OG-16 bombed out with the worst perfromance by a USWNT ever. The worst. Ever.

          • HOFCToDi

            Carli Lloyd captained the USWNT to the 2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup title.

            How many stars are on the Sweden women’s national football team kit?

          • Steglitz49

            The Conquerors in Brasilia have no need of stars. They are stars.

            Remember 8-1 in 1981?

          • HOFCToDi

            Sweden failed to qualify for the 2010 FIFA World Cup. Sweden failed to qualify for the 2014 FIFA World Cup. Sweden failed to qualify for the 2015 FIFA U-20 World Cup. Sweden failed to qualify for the 2015 FIFA U-17 World Cup.

            Swedes only know failure.

          • HOFCToDi

            Remember UEFA Euro 2016?

            en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Euro_2016#Group_E

            Sweden – bottom of Group E

            Swedes only know failure.

          • HOFCToDi

            Remember 2016 Rio Olympics?

            en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_at_the_2016_Summer_Olympics_%E2%80%93_Men%27s_tournament#Group_B

            Sweden – bottom of Group E

            Swedes only know failure.

          • CED

            The ref captained the WNT to a win. A mystery PK and a 100% red card not called in the semi vs Germany who were the better team.

          • DNG

            A red card should have been called on Maier for an elbow to the back of Rapinoe’s head that should have resulted in a second yellow in the first half. Germany didn’t look the better team to me. Lots of shots but not many threatening ones. Morgan’s penalty wasn’t one and JJ should have been sent off but overall I thought it was an even game and I might even give the edge to the US.

          • CED

            LOL…US rose colored glasses. The BS about Rapinoe is laughable and excuse making to pretend the ref didn’t absolutely decide the game with horrible calls for the US.

          • DNG

            What’s laughable is someone who doesn’t think an elbow to the back of a head on a contested header is a yellow card offense. It was a horrible no call. I agreed with the rest of the bad calls. You are the one who is less objective.

          • Steglitz49

            You conveninetly chose to forget Pinoe’s foul on Asllani which led to Alex’s 1-1 equalizer. The Swedish captain was booked for questioning the ref, something which a captain is entitled to do.

          • DNG

            Maybe I would have mentioned it if we had been talking about the USA Sweden match. Schelin’s goal was good too.

          • kernel_thai

            Maier was already on a yellow at the time. Popp could have easily been ejected on cards as well.

          • DNG

            Agree on Popp. The only reason I didn’t mention her was because she wasn’t actually carded in that match. I think she could have easlily been booked for two of her challenges. Maier’s “should have been sent off” was more clear as the elbow occurred after she had already been booked. My point was more that Germany is not the team who comes away with the woman advantage first if the official makes the correct calls. Who wins after that is anyone’s guess.

          • CED

            Please stop looking for excuses. Btw, if we want to count fouls deserving yellows Lloyd has abut 6 per game, she’s a persistent fouler taking people out on bad challenges and never gets a yellow. The ref won the game for a mediocre US performance against a better team in Germany.

          • DNG

            Okay please point out where in my comment I am making excuses for the USWNT. If anyone is making excuses, you are for the German WNT or are just playing out what if scenarios to explain why the US didn’t lose. All I am doing is commenting on my observations

            Lloyd does not make 6 fouls deserving yellows per game that is complete hyperbole. If your argument is that she deserves one almost every match for persistent fouling I would agree with you. She wasn’t booked in this match and neither was Popp which is why I didn’t bring up either even if I thought both could possibly have been carded. Once a player is initially carded, they tend to play more carefully for the rest of the match. It is a complete waste of time to play those what if scenarios for things that weren’t observed

            Maier on the other hand did receive a yellow and elbowed another player in the back of the head after receiving that yellow. That should be a clear sending off and was plainly seen by anyone watching the match.

            The line about how the ref won the game for the US is just completely wrong. They still had to play the match even if the referee’s decisions influenced it. Lloyd could have missed that penalty and Sasic could have made hers and the result would have been different. That’s not what happened though and I have no more desire to go over pointless what if scenarios any longer.

          • Steglitz49

            Indeed.

            The ref crew tried their best in Brasilia too but the truth shone true.

          • calvester

            I know there are a lot of Carli haters on this site, but maybe only Press could score a goal like Carli’s first blast from distance. Usually she sends those up into the cheap seats, but that was a spectacular goal. Just sayin.

          • DNG

            The team should be scoring goals like the one Dunn put in the back of the net. Carli’s strike is not a high percentage shot.

          • Paul Klee

            There is a reason to take shots like that though it helps keep defenses honest and makes the Dunn-type goals more likely. Also as much as I love crisp one-touch passing offensive build up, becoming too enamored with it at the expense of being proficient with direct balls again does not keep the defense honest.

          • DNG

            Good teams can draw opposing teams out with good ball movement which opens up space to pass inside an penatrate. I don’t agree that long shots are all that effective at keeping good teams honest. A good disciplined team will remain compact because conceding these long range efforts is the goal of the defense. They are just defending by the percentages so if a team happens to score on one of these shots that is converted less than 5 percent of the time, it’s something they live with.

          • Paul Klee

            You say draw them out, if there was no concern with someone taking a shot from 25 yards why would an opponent be drawn out. Not logical

          • DNG

            Sure there is. A 25 yard shot on goal is not the only danger present when a player has the ball there with space. I didn’t mean that they need to be drawn all the way out, just enough to find the small pockets of space between the midfield and defensive lines or if the defensive line is playing high enough you can slip attackers in with well timed combinations and runs off the ball.

          • Paul Klee

            Couple points

            1. If there is no chance of her taking that shot then defenders are going to find it easier to cover potential runs.

            2. There are other positive outcomes other than a galazo goal. The ball can rebound off the keeper or a post/crossbar, the ball can also be deflected for a corner.

            3. In the NWSL championship match the Spirit were effectively able to cover McDonald’s long throw-ins for the entire match. Which is why the short throw-in that resulted in Williams last gasp header was available because the Spirit were defending against that long throw.

          • DNG

            1. I don’t agree, the defenders covering the runs by Lloyd’s teammates won’t be the players responsible for stepping to her when she is moving towards goal. If a player comes out and steps to her the runs still need to be covered. I don’t think shot or no shot makes finding those runs any easier. Stepping to her and leaving the set shape actually creates holes in coverage for runners to exploit.

            2. Rebound goals off the posts are scored at an even lower percentage than long shots. Corners are typically low percentage chances on goal too due to the difficulty in getting headers on target in traffic. These long shots lead to a change in possession way more often than goals from any of these scenarios.

            3. I don’t agree again. Even if a team is set up to defend the long throw in, they need to have enough players to cover the short option. Think of it like a short corner. The defense always sends 2 to cover the short corner. When they don’t, it leads to an easy cross into the box from a better position. The Spirit should have no trouble covering the long throw in while also covering the short one.

          • Steglitz49

            #3 is easy. Lynn Williams should never have been allowed that header. The DC defense remember the SF of OG-12 and not the Final of WC-11. Losers, weepers.

          • Paul Klee

            1. No, that’s clearly not true and not logical. If there is a defender that steps up into the space to defend Carli there must be a space left open by that defender, that’s axiomatic. So unless you are going to let the USWNT hammer you’re keeper with a couple dozen shots a match from 25 yards you need to step up and defend that. But if the defense knows you are not going to take that shot they essentially have gained at least 1/2 a defender.

          • Steglitz49

            You have not explained why and how Sweden managed in Brasilia. No gaps were left.

          • DNG

            My entire point is that a team absorbing pressure is going to be okay giving up that shot. Sweden did just that in the Olympics. They gave up the long attempts on goal, made the spaces in between lines tight, and cleared the crosses. The US didn’t really do what was needed to break down the defense and get those good shot on target I want to see. The shot differential in that match in case you didn’t know was 25 to 3. The US only got 5 of their 25 shots on target. 1 goal from 25 shots seems like an effective strategy to me. Sweden, in contrast took three shots total for the entire match. They scored their only real chance and should have added another but not for a poor offside call. To make my point a little more clear. I value a single shot inside the 6 yard box more than 10 shots from 25+ yards out.

          • Paul Klee

            Only 3 shots were taken from a similar similar position v Sweden (straight on above the penalty spot circle) two of these were blocked by defenders and a third was off target and I don’t know how well that shooter was defended. So clearly Sweden wasn’t leaving that area open for the US to bomb shots at the keeper and were in fact defending that area.

          • DNG

            I’m oversimplifying things but in general the statistics show that giving up a dozen shots from 25 plus yards out is not the end of the world. Most of the time they aren’t threatening at all and won’t result in goals. I don’t think they do the job of keeping a defense honest if that defense is disciplined and well organized. Long shots in the USA SWE match for example didn’t suddenly result in more spaces in between SWE’s lines to exploit. I would have much preferred the US to have had Sweden’s chances in this match than the ones the US created.

          • Paul Klee

            If the defense was disciplined and well organized Carli would not have had that kind of space. Or if it was just a momentary lapse either by the Swiss or the Swedes there is nothing wrong with taking that shot, in fact that shot needed to be taken.

          • DNG

            I don’t agree that the shot needed to be taken at all. It’s not a high percentage shot even in those conditions. If you’re saying that Lloyd was capitalizing on a mistake then the point of the shot isn’t really to keep the defense honest but to capitalize on a mistake.

          • Paul Klee

            If you don’t take the shot you are not keeping defenses honest. The whole point of varying your attack is to put doubt in a defenders mind and perhaps cause a moment of hesitation later in the match when the defender is fatigued.

          • DNG

            You just stated that the defense didn’t step to Lloyd because they weren’t in position. I agree with this observation. If you believe that then this shot wasn’t about keeping the defense honest because they weren’t in position to make a play on it anyway. The shot was about trying to capitalize on the open space Lloyd was given to shoot which I still believe is a very low percentage shot. As to the effectiveness of long shots keeping defenses honest we are just going to have to agree to disagree at this point.

          • Paul Klee

            Not quite to step to Lloyd the Swiss defenders would have had to leave Dunn, O’Hara, Williams or Morgan completely unmarked

          • Paul Klee

            3. No, again the Spirit had to use extra defenders to cover Erceg and other runners on that long throw, they did not have two to cover the short throw. The short throw was there the entire match, and an inexperienced Flash with a absent coach were until literally the last minute unable to recognize and adjust. Portland covered the short throw but that resulted in a bunch of half chances three of which were converted.

            Point being that varying your the type of attacking pressure stresses a defense and can cause that moment of hesitation. It’s the same for all team sports.

          • Steglitz49

            The real point is that in the dying seconds of the game, you do not allow such a header. Canada did against the US at Old Trafford, that theatre of soccer dreams. Japan did it their way the year before.

          • DNG

            I just re-watched the sequence of that goal and you are completely wrong about the Erceg part and the situation. There was zero organization for either team prior to the throw in. Erceg was not in the box or making that run that was very effective against the Thorns. Erceg was in the process of running to get into the box when the ball was thrown in for a last ditch cross. The Washington players fell asleep and did not get out to cover it fast enough. Krieger and the other right flank players realize this too late as you can see her and the other flank players trying to quickly get out and pressure.

            Going back to my original point 25+ yard attempts at goal are not effective at testing defenses. Great teams can vary their attack without resorting to 25+ yard attempts on goal.

          • Paul Klee

            Right because they were expecting a time consuming long throw in not a quick short one, the only two on the same page were Hinkle and McDonald.

          • DNG

            We’re not going to agree on this and even if I accepted what you’re saying as true it doesn’t really have anything to do with my point about long shots not being effective. I don’t think that keeping a team honest matters nearly as much as you do. I think the Spirit made a mistake because they were tired after 120 minutes, not because they were expecting a long throw in. Without asking the players involved we can’t really know for sure so it’s not really worth arguing about any further.

          • Paul Klee

            Well that’s not what the Spirit players said. They said they were surprised by the short throw in.

          • DNG

            Alright fine I’ll take your word for it since I didn’t watch the post game stuff. I think the players should have been better prepared to deal with it and the cross anyway. There really is no excuse for not defending the sort option on a throw in or corner. Nothing’s really changed our opinions on the effectiveness of keeping a defense honest with long shots so we’re still at an impasse.

          • Steglitz49

            The Swedish defense was honest when it mattered and lax when it was just an embarrassment.

          • Guest2

            I was also amazed by Carli’s 1st goal. Mewis is also capable of that type of goal.

          • CED

            That goal was scored b/c of horrible goal keeping. The goalie needed to take 2 steps on a shot form 35 yards and was so bad she didn’t. WoSo goal keeping is in general horrible and that goal proves it.

          • DNG

            I am a harsh critic of WoSo goalkeeping but I don’t know if I can completely agree. WoSo keepers simply can’t cover the same amount of the goal because they are on average shorter, and a lot less explosive. Lloyd’s shot was really moving and well placed. A great keeper might have stopped that but by no means do I think that a majority of WoSo keepers would have been able to. I’m sure you can imagine I have an issue with that shot selection from Lloyd anyway.

          • Steglitz49

            Thank you! — “WoSo keepers simply can’t cover the same amount of the goal because they are on average shorter …” — at last a voice of reason. It warmed the cockles of my heart to read that.

          • Craigaroo

            The football (gridiron) lines are good for a couple things – in this case you can see the shot comes from 5 yards beyond the top of the circle so it’s a 27-28 yard shot (not 35 like CED says) and Lloyd blasts it. I agree with you it’s a tough save for a GK and that’s why a defender is supposed to be stepping up to block. Do we blame bad goalkeeping every time someone in the men’s game scores on a cannon shot from 25-30 yards out? No.

          • DNG

            You may not agree with my criticism below regarding the choice of Lloyd to take this shot. One note on the play, there really was no defender in position to make this shot more difficult by stepping to Lloyd so someone who was suppose to be tracking her messed up. I still believe this shot to be a very low percentage one even in these conditions. Credit to Lloyd for making it count even if I think she’s taken too many of these over the course of her career.

          • mockmook

            This may not change your belief in the advisability of the shot by Lloyd, but I think you are missing some important factors:

            The shot shouldn’t just be compared to other shots, but should be compared with other possessions.

            How often does possession end up in a goal? Most of the time the ball is turned over without a shot — and the passing tactics you advocate will also have many failures without ever generating a shot.

            Relatedly, you can’t score unless you take a shot. Too often, a possession is stifled by the lack of “guts” to commit to pulling the trigger, and it isn’t long before the ball is lost.

            Bottom Line: Let Lloyd take her wonder strike from time to time — at least it has a better chance of creating a goal than no shot at all.

          • DNG

            You are right that you can’t score without taking a shot. However, shots from the area Lloyd took her result in a goals at such a low percentage of the time I’d prefer one shot from the position Dunn scored to 15 from the position Lloyd scored from. I think a good goal for the team in friendlies should be to work on creating easier goals like the ones scored by Press in the first game and Dunn in this one. I see working on breaking down defenses as a positive step for the future even if they struggle a bit initially.

            As we saw in the US SWE game at the Olympics a 25 to 3 shot advantage didn’t actually lead to any difference in the final goal total from each team. Some would also point to the fact that SWE had a goal wrongfully disallowed and probably created the two best chances of the match. I think this match was a clear case of a dominant shot advantage not making enough of a positive difference.

            Obviously you’re right that there needs to be some balance because you need to take shots to score and everything can’t always be perfect. Still, I think 15 shots of better quality(let’s call better quality shots relatively central between the 18 and 6) would lead to a better goal total than what we saw from the 24. I think some more losses in possessions are an acceptable trade off too. Had the cross not been completed, I would have gladly taken Williams’ cross to Dunn in this match as a loss in possession over a hopeful shot from far out.

          • mockmook

            It may not be even (but I bet it is close) when you factor in the number of failed attempts at putting the ball in those “easy” shooting positions. And, of course, those “easy” shots can also fail.

          • DNG

            Maybe for the US it’s close with their current personnel. I don’t think it has to be that way though and it isn’t for teams who can effectively break their opponents down. I guess I’m not satisfied with the status quo. I see team like England and France who have the players and ability now to defend very well and shut the US down. I also don’t think that Sweden, Mexico, and South africa should be able to pack the box to successfully against the US like they all have this year. As far as missing easy shots, I think it’s preferable to scoring hopeful ones in friendlies where the objective should be player evaluation and working on the execution of the more possession oriented style they seem to be trying to play.

          • Steglitz49

            “I also don’t think that Sweden, Mexico, and South africa should be able to pack the box to successfully against the US like they all have this year.” — I can’t speak for Mexico and South-Africa but Sweden executed a highly organized and focused defense throughout the whole game. Lars Lagerbäck would have been proud of them.

            It was a total contrast to Sweden’s group game against Brazil, where the Brazilians inflicted the biggest loss ever on the SWNT. I suspect that that loss coupled with their anemic performance against South-Africa and Brazil, lulled the USWNT into claiming victory in advance. They forgot that you should not sell the pelt until you have shot the bear.

          • Steglitz49

            Hear hear! The ref team in Brasilia stank to high heaven. They did not even know the laws of the game and those they knew they applied quixotically to say the least.

          • Steglitz49

            Hope Solo, Nadine Angerer and Hedvig Lindahl might beg to disagree with you, though Hedvig has form as the pigs say.

          • Steglitz49

            If they go in they go in and if they fly over the bar into the stands they fly over. As for hitting the bar, I can only remind you of the musings of the great man’s: “Sometimes it is post-in and sometimes it is post out.”

          • kernel_thai

            A lot of players have the leg but would never launch one from that far out.

          • DNG

            Hopefully that’s because they have been taught that it’s a very low percentage shot.

        • newsouth

          ball hog + tomato cans = freakish stats.

          • DNG

            Not to mention a talented team around her who constantly wins the ball back and gets the ball to her in good positions. Others will succeed if given the opportunity.

          • HOFCToDi

            Christen Press is a LOSER!

            Christen Press
            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
            Knockout Stage – Final
            05 Jul 2015
            USA 5 JPN 2
            Minutes Played 0

            resources.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/02/66/12/93/eng_52_0705_usa-jpn_fulltime.pdf

            Christen Press
            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
            Knockout Stage – Semifinals
            30 Jun 2015
            USA 2 GER 0
            Minutes Played 0

            resources.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/02/65/52/49/eng_49_0630_usa-ger_fulltime.pdf

            Christen Press
            FIFA Women’s World Cup
            Knockout Stage – Quarterfinals
            26 Jun 2015
            USA 1 CHN 0
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 2, Shots on Goal 0

            resources.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/02/65/35/93/eng_45_0626_chn-usa_fulltime.pdf

            Christen Press
            FIFA Women’s World Cup
            Knockout Stage – Round of 16
            22 Jun 2015
            USA 2 COL 0
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 1, Shots on Goal 0

            resources.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/02/65/26/11/eng_38_0622_usa-col_fulltime.pdf

          • HOFCToDi

            Christen Press is a LOSER!

            Christen Press
            2016 Rio Olympics
            Knockout Stage – Quarterfinals
            12 Aug 2016
            USA 1 SWE 1
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 2, Shots on Goal 0
            Penalty Kicks Attempted 1, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

            rio2016.com/en/football-womens-quarterfinal-fb-3

            Christen Press
            2016 Rio Olympics
            Group Stage
            09 Aug 2016
            USA 2 COL 2
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 4, Shots on Goal 1

            rio2016.com/en/football-womens-first-round-group-g-fb-5

          • HOFCToDi

            Christen Press is a LOSER!

            2016 SheBelieves Cup
            Goals 0, Assists 0

          • HOFCToDi

            Carli Lloyd is a WINNER!

            Carli Lloyd
            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
            Knockout Stage – Final
            05 Jul 2015
            USA 5 JPN 2
            Goals 3, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 5, Shots on Goal 3

            youtube.com/watch?v=FluNg_FMfzg

            youtube.com/watch?v=YO4mqQTLnvk

            youtube.com/watch?v=mBosyOJ3PIY

            Christen Press is a LOSER!

            Christen Press
            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
            Knockout Stage – Final
            05 Jul 2015
            USA 5 JPN 2
            Minutes Played 0

            resources.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/02/66/12/93/eng_52_0705_usa-jpn_fulltime.pdf

          • LOFCToDi

            HOFCToDi is a LOSER!

            Lifetime Goals 0, Lifetime Assists 0, Angst Filled Comments 8424 and counting

            Trolling Equalizer Soccer since Jul 29, 2015

    • dw

      NEW RULE: No crappy coach should ever coach 100 games…

      • Steglitz49

        A WC winning coach and COTY is good for a couple of centuries at least.

      • kernel_thai

        Even with the WC win her resume isnt good enough to interview for this job.

  • Paul Klee
    • Steglitz49

      I like the last one.

  • Steglitz49

    Is Alex Morgan absent because of injury? Or is there more to her resting? (I imagine that like Zlatan, Alex “does not do auditions”:)

    • HOFCToDi

      Wait and see if Jill Ellis “rotates” the squad for the upcoming international women’s friendlies.

      • Steglitz49

        We can agree that thisSwiss cuckoo-clock was weaker than expected but Romania is not really a very strong team at all.

        • HOFCToDi

          Romania – tomato can

          • Steglitz49

            You do not need to check the rankings. The fact that Romania is playing off against Portugal for the final 16th spot in Euro-17 tells you that they have a way to go yet.

            The USWNT might as well play the Iranian WNT. That would be unusual to say the least and generate some free notice and vibrations in the media

        • Chak Khan

          the same thing was said about South Afrika and Switzerland.

          • Steglitz49

            Switzerland is the subject of this entry. Do you mean Swaziland?

        • Som Termanni

          But Romania’s keeper Andreea Paraluta is 6’0″, therefore I expect them to shut out the inferior-height US side and win on a goalie-goal header in the 90’+4′ (unless Paraluta decides to stay with Atletico Madrid).
          I’ll be surprised if Romania is able to field even its captain, Florentina Olar-Spânu; her Fortuna Hjørring club plays the first leg of its UEFA Champions League R16 matches the day before the first USA-ROU friendly, and the second R16 leg 3 days after the second friendly.

          • Steglitz49

            Teams need only release players in official windows but then they must. Thus, it will depend on Atletico Madrid if they make Paraluta available.

            Atletico Madrid currently leads the league on 19 pts with Barcelona 1 pt behind and Valencia and Levante 2 pts adrift. Barca has the better GD. If I were Atletico, I would want my #1 goalie between the sticks for domestic matches. Time will tell.

            Given that the top brass of Atletico was about to close down the women’s team a couple of years ago, if I were advising the ladies of Atletico I would tell them to take no chances but play their strongest squad.

  • newsouth

    so it’s lloyd’s turn to fill up her stat sheet at the expense of new players? i thought we were over wambach. somethings never change @ USTet

    • HOFCToDi

      memecrunch.com/meme/TDEI/the-hate-is-strong-with-this-one/image.png

    • dw

      Dude, she’s on 94 goals with a potential work stoppage in January. Now 96. For those scoring at home, she needs 4 more to get to 100, and has 2 games to do it in…

      • Steglitz49

        Aim for 101 that would make it a Dalmatian or Pongo score.

      • mockmook

        Nope.

        She’s not playing the final two games because of her getting married.

        • dw

          Ah, well, she need 4 more this past week then.

          • kernel_thai

            So I have this image of Lloyd in her wedding gown coming on to take PKs in the Romanian friendlies.

          • dw

            Classic.

  • Steglitz49

    What happened to Gary Diver?

  • guest

    another uswnt game. another tobin heath fall inside the opponent’s 18 yard line looking for a foul.

  • guest

    do they even need Alex Morgan anymore?

    • sudeep das

      Food for thought actually. Her 1st touch in tight spaces has been a problem – although that goal against the Germans earlier this year will tell us otherwise. Until and unless all the newbies are tested against powerful cohesive defenses it is too early to write Morgan off. That means the next two She Believes Cups become very important unless US Soccer does a series of double / triple headers against top 6 teams instead of playing only weak opponents. I was thinking a tour of Europe will be really beneficial for the team.

      • Steglitz49

        Alex Morgan will still be only 29 during WC-19 (just admittedly but 29 is 29).

        • guest

          who cares? go away with your repetitive trolling garbage

          • Steglitz49

            Please register yourself so we can follow your comments.

      • guest

        the goal against the germans was off a half volley flick. very nice goal. but no way she scores off that if it’s on a full volley flick.

    • zentech11

      Yeah they do. Believe it or not if you look at the numbers, she still has the best scoring ratio out of any of the USWNT players for 2016. (Around 1 goal every 94 minutes, for the 2016 international calendar year). Calculated from this page: http://www.ussoccer.com/womens-national-team/stats

      • Paul Klee

        Wrong, Kelia Ohai has the best scoring ratio. One goal every 10 min or so.

        • Paul Klee

          So she’s 9 times better than Alex Morgan.

          • Steglitz49

            If you insist.

          • kernel_thai

            He He and following this stream of logic if Ohai had been brought up with Dunn and Johnston in 2013 she would have already eclipsed Wambach’s scoring mark.

          • Paul Klee

            Well when you average three Hat tricks per match…..

        • zentech11

          Lol, well Ohai isn’t listed on that stats page yet. Technically true though, yes.

          • Paul Klee

            Heehee

      • skybolt

        This happens every time we play average or below average teams. New player “X” scores a goal or 2 and all of a sudden the proven veterans become obsolete in some people’s eyes. Let’s not forget that Leroux tallied 5 goals in one half against Guatemala, but then went 14 straight games (mostly as a reserve) without scoring a single goal against the top 5 or 6 teams in the world. She eventually did in 2014, but it certainly isn’t that easy.

    • Steglitz49

      Yes.

    • Guest2

      Yes. She has great talent and incredible things to show us as she continues to develop throughout her soccer career.

      • anon

        also needs the ball placed perfectly at her feet, can’t generate her own shots, has one move, can’t move well in tight space, predictable/one note player. compared to a press or even a lloyd who can score many different types of goals

        • HOFCToDi

          So says anon the moron.

    • #1Fan

      If you mean purely for soccer reasons, then the answer is we dont know yet. Lloyd-Morgan is a combination we have seen. Good enough to succeed vs 90 pct of the teams, but are they the fluid dynamic attackers you want to build your team around going forward? I would be looking high and low before committing to them for the next WC.

      • Steglitz49

        For WC-19: Morgan, yes; Lloyd, no. Assuming that Alex is fit and wants to play. A repeat of the Pinoe-nonsense is not desired.

      • NYRick

        The US can put ANY combination of 2 forwards currently in the program or camp and succeed against 90% of all teams.

        • #1Fan

          Correct

        • Steglitz49

          Seeing that FIFA ranks more than 100 NTs, your leaves at least 10 serious contenders, which is a bit of an exaggeration.

  • NYRick

    Best thing from these 2 games…NO PINOE.

    Probably kneeling somewhere for the EU or UN flag.

    • skybolt

      Especially considering the message Ellis is trying to send, which is that everyone needs to compete for their job. If Rapinoe wants to play in 2019, she needs to keep all her focus on soccer.

    • truf

      Love Pinoe, she’s an American Patriot, standing up for marginalized groups.

      • NYRick

        Yep, she’s right up there with those Marines hoisting the flag at Iwo Jima.

        • Uncle Sam

          It’s always safer to worship the flag.

      • guest

        it takes more than talk to be a patriot. it requires action. a gesture changes nothing.

      • guest

        i’m waiting for rapinoe to protest the charlotte protesters who killed an unarmed citizen.

        • Ashley C

          I’m waiting for you to show the same outrage when black people are killed by police.

  • Som Termanni

    Shots/SOG/goals/offsides for USWNT over both SUI friendlies:

    Dunn 10/2/1/1 (most shots, worst SOG% min. 5 shots, fewest offside min. 5 shots)
    Press 7/4/2/3 (T-most goals)
    Lloyd 5/4/2/3 (T-most goals, best SOG% min. 5 shots)
    Williams 5/2/1/6 (most offside overall, 2nd-worst SOG% min. 5 shots)
    Horan 4/1/0/0
    Heath 3/2/1/2
    Short 3/1/0/0
    O’Hara 2/2/0/2
    Brian 2/0/0/0
    Mewis 1/1/1/0
    Ohai 1/1/1/0
    Sullivan 1/1/0/0
    Long 1/0/0/0

    rest 0/0/0/0

    Team 45/19/4/17
    SUI 10/3/1/4

    Dunn had as many shots as the entire Swiss team, and fewer on frame.

    Williams had 2 more offside calls than the entire Swiss team.

    • Steglitz49

      Ohai and Mewis were both 100%, a meaningless statistic given the small sample.

    • newsouth
      • HOFCToDi

        Christen Press
        2016 Rio Olympics
        Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 6, Shots on Goal 1
        Penalty Kicks Attempted 1, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

      • HOFCToDi

        Christen Press
        2016 SheBelieves Cup
        Goals 0, Assists 0

      • HOFCToDi

        Christen Press has yet to be named Budweiser Woman of the Match for calendar year 2016.

        ussoccer.com/womens-national-team/results-statistics

      • HOFCToDi

        Christen Press has yet to score a goal against a FIFA Top 12 Ranked opponent in calendar year 2016:

        fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/women/index.html

        CAN, ENG, FRA, GER, JPN, JPN, FRA, SWE, NED

      • mockmook

        You’re freaking me out man…

        • newsouth

          i’m enjoying myself. maybe you should be worried about the stats king HOF.

          • mockmook

            No man, it’s the Stepford Wives in that video that have me tweaking…

      • NYRick

        The funniest part of this clip is Morgan in the background.

        Speaking of which, and it needs to be said, what knucklehead (probably really a collection of them starting with Ellis) in the USSF who had anything to do with the women’s soccer program couldn’t figure out the bonanza of making these two the star forward combo all the time. As in all the time. No brainer. But it’s long gone.

        • htm222

          you are obsessed. get over it.

    • HOFCToDi

      In the last four international women’s friendlies:

      foxsports.com/soccer/boxscore?id=32515

      foxsports.com/soccer/boxscore?id=32516

      foxsports.com/soccer/boxscore?id=33370

      foxsports.com/soccer/boxscore?id=33371

      Shots/Shots on Goal
      Lloyd – 15/12
      Press – 11/6

    • HOFCToDi

      2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup

      fifa.com/womensworldcup/statistics/players/shots.html

      Shots Attempted/Shots on Goal
      Lloyd – 17/9
      Press – 7/2

  • #1Fan

    An interesting POV. I dont agree with it, but others may..

    http://www.foxsports.com/soccer/story/carli-lloyd-may-not-fit-the-uswnt-anymore-but-they-still-need-her-102316

    The problem for me is it self fulfilling given the quality of opponent. If you allowed other players to be “designated shooter” I think they would score as well. The quality of opponent also minimizes the odds of being countered off her errant passes and poor decision making on the ball. I feel strongly that she is no longer a net positive IF the goal really is to move to a more progressive style of play. Keeping her in the spotlight tells you more than any words. The USA is not ready to move on. The longer we delay, the harder it is going to get.

    • DNG

      No player is indispensable and there are only about 5 teams that I think can really push the USWNT on a consistent basis. You know I agree with the rest.

      • Steglitz49

        Colombia and Sweden, obviously, and we also have Germany, England and who?

  • Som Termanni
    • Steglitz49

      I wish they would not make these comments. To type is silver but to stay silent is gold.

      • ABCDE

        Develop a sense of humor, immediately if not sooner.

        • Steglitz49

          Such behaviour may be a symptom that helps explain why JE has given her the cold shoulder in spite of Ohai’s pedegree.

  • Som Termanni

    Ada Hegerberg takes a nasty blow to the head, bleeds on the field in scoreless draw friendly v. Sweden. https://twitter.com/WoSoComps/status/790638064410431488

    • Steglitz49

      The impression is that Sweden underperformed though many would say they performed nearer their true level.

      Roll on Euro-17. As you noted, Holland laid waste to the Scotch lasses.

    • Som Termanni

      She took four stitches on the sideline; no new word on her condition, but most seem to think she’s OK. She looked extremely woozy on the video, however.

      https://twitter.com/karlyboy71/status/790626124527173632

  • guest

    I liked what I saw from Ohai. Hope to see her get called in again.

    • Vampire

      I liked what I saw from Hegerberg…

  • guest

    http://americansoccernow.com/articles/christen-press-tells-asn-it-s-kind-of-my-job-to-score

    interesting article with Ellis quote on Press – she wants her to take more physical risks in the box.

    • anon

      I always kind of figured that was her beef with Press, despite everything else she offers (and the fact that she is so often played out of position denying her those kinds of opportunities). It does seem like she has worked on the physical aspects of her game. Her speed and strength on the ball are top notch.

      • Kevin

        Press avoids contact every time. The only physical play I ever see from her is a little pushing or shoving of the opponent and it’s so weak it’s as irrelevant as one of HOFCToDi’s posts.

        • Steglitz49

          Indeed. It is reflected in her no significant injuries in her whole career. Unlike some other players, Christen does not dominate the pitch when she steps on it.

          • guest

            or maybe she is just smart about her plays and doesn’t make dumb challenges and pointless fouls. she also seems to have very good agility and body awareness, she falls less than anyone. i can’t believe you are using her lack of injuries as a strike against her, what next

          • Steglitz49

            Please register yourself so we can follow your comments.

          • sam

            You are an idiot. Unlike your precious Morgan, Press doesn’t have to rely on speed (which she has plenty of) and physicality to run at defenses so she can get close enough to the net to score. She is capable of getting into tight space and generating offense and her own shots out of nothing many yards out from the net. So she takes less fouls

          • Steglitz49

            Facts are facts and sacred; opinion is free.

      • Steglitz49

        Christen and Alex are equally tall at 5’9″ but there seems to be more of Alex though the difference can hardly be more than 5 lb and certainly not the difference between Messi and Neymar, for example.

        Alex simply has more presence on the pitch, dominates it, in a way that Christen does not. Granted, Alex has been in the bright sun for the past 6 years or so while Christen has eked out a living in her shadow. At the same time, Christen has been able to shoulder the cape of a provider like Gren did 70+ years ago.

    • NYRick

      Interesting article, thanks.

      1. I kind of agree with Ellis on that assessment and have always said that, but…shouldn’t a poacher who you want to score goals from 5 feet away be a CENTER FORWARD. A place where Ellis has refused to play her on a consistent basis.

      2. The styles of Morgan (she’ll take risks and make a physical challenge to the ball when near net…though not anywhere near that since the 2012 season and some scary injuries) and Lloyd (someone who was loves to sport a black eye to show her pitch courage) greatly hurts CP. Least of which of course the presence of Abby the previous 3 years, and even Syd who is/was a very physical bowling ball bull in a china shop type of player. And now Dunn who is the most aggressive physical 5 foot nothing forward you will ever see in the women’s game.

      3. Ellis’s blunder with Press…Take her for what she is. She might not be physical (although she is getting better in that area) but she can do things on the pitch that her counterparts and forward teammates can’t dream of doing.

      4. Dunn’s goal the other night. Watch it again. All Press had to do was slide in to score on a brilliant entry pass from Williams (really intended for Press). Press doesn’t slide and it goes right to Dunn who was hustling to get to the far post for a tap in. That was Press’s goal and she simply didn’t want it bad enough. That is the stuff I agree with Ellis on.

      5. That replay vid in the article of Press tying goal against the Spirit in the semi was one of the best pure forward plays of athleticism that you will ever see in soccer (men’s or women’s). Speed, agility and like the writer of the article said, “jaw dropping.” That is why so many get so frustrated with CP. That is a play that not many can make. And their are many like that.

      Ellis should just realize what she has (which Dames quickly grew to understand after a short time) and just let her do her thing…at center forward for the bulk of the minutes.

      6. One major disagreement I have from Ellis in the article, “the space at the top of the box isn’t available at this level (i.e. international game) as opposed to the NWSL? Seriously? With the tomato cans they play at home 90% of the time? I see the top of the box open consistently in all of the matches. Play a corner to that area for CP and let her shoot from there. Never done. No set plays to her which is astonishing. And seriously how can you want her to “crash the box” when you have Lloyd on the pitch, and even Dunn to do that (which is the strongest parts of both their games).

      Ellis is out of her depth with these players. Not just CP. A lot of them.

      • Steglitz49

        4th para (2nd below picture) says it all: “Then, less than two months later, Press missed an open net in the 92nd minute of play of the NWSL semifinals with the match tied 1-1. The game went into extra-time where the Washington Spirit added a goal and bounced Chicago out of the playoffs.” — you can’t miss those and be counted among the great.

        Likewise, 7th Para, first few words: “After her Olympic miss this summer, Press …”

        It says a lot for JE’s management that she has persevered with Christen and had her play a supporting role. Any player will tell you that they would rather win the World Cup or any tournament and not score than to score but not win . The French players can confirm that not just in 2015 and 2016 but also 2013, 2012, 2011 and 2009. That is a lot of years of weeping.

        Your #5 — though your analysis is correct in principle, it is the miss at 90+2′ that sticks in the mind. Mandy Islacker scored at 90+2′ in the final of the Champions League infront of the Chancellor of her country (Germany) like playing infro´nt of Barack. Mandy was not selected for the WC-15 squad but she did go on to be Goalscoring Queen in the German league the next season.

        Yes. The cookie did not crumble the US’s way in Brasilia but much of that blame can be attached to the players on the field, their inability to adapt away from their preconcceived notion that it was going to be a turkey-shoot and walk in the park. When the turnips stood their ground and fought back, they had nothing to offer. They were weighed in the balance and found lightweight and wanting.

        • Reality

          Given that you are the resident troll here at EQ, your constant vendetta against Press just further diminishes your credibility. The alliance you have cultivated with the “cut and paste” troll in Press slander just confirms your lack of judgement. The two of you have consistently lowered the level of discourse at EQ to the point where it is no longer a welcome site for intelligent opinion. Unfortunately, other commentators here have attempted to reason with the two of you, but one cannot reason with trolls who feed off attention by increasing their venomous remarks. Since you essentially live here and will only continue to infest EQ with your blather, the only way to restore quality to this site is for other commentators to ignore or block you and your demented partner so that quality discussion can be held without foolish distraction.

          • Steglitz49

            S49 is keeping you honest. S/he is keeping you right.

          • Reality

            And I am doing a public service in exposing your duplicity.

          • Steglitz49

            My views are clear and everyone can see. I do not sail under flag of convenience as some thieves in the night do.

            In the end the confidence of a team rests in security that everyone does their part. JE’s highest priority must be to fix the defense.

          • guest

            Your views may be clear, but you’re still a troll and you sail under the Jolly Roger.

          • Steglitz49

            I am not sure that the trolls are known for sailing. They row boats in the stories.

            The Jolly Roger was easily identified and its message loud and clear.

            While you are at it, please register yourself so we can follow your comments.

        • NYRick

          I’m sure she wants that OG PK shot back, along with hitting the bar late in the NWSL semi, but you are being petty and silly really. At this stage, most ardent observers on here see CP as a world class top player. Yet you continually (for whatever bizarre reason that happened in Sweden) position her as Morgan’s caddy for life. Alex has had some big moments no doubt, but I think she would be the first to admit that CP is a great player, a great teammate and certainly one who could/should replace her at any time on the NT roster or in the food chain forward mix.

          • Steglitz49

            Facts are facts and sacred; opinion is free.

            I have never known Alex comment much on her team-mates and certainly not Christen Annemarie.

            Christen’s gift is her ease in front of a camera when speaks fluently and with pace and brings excitement. No wooden delivery from Christen. If any broadcasting option is available, she should hog it. That is her metier.

          • Reality

            What you and your “cut and paste” partner are peddling is cherry picked information designed to mislead and to diminish Press. Whenever anyone mentions her here at EQ, one or both of you jump in with malicious comments which are often irrelevant. It is clear that this is trollish and small minded behavior that only reflects back on yourselves.

          • Steglitz49

            The Pressgang started it and persevere in the face of reality.

            The Pressgang are worthy of an eloge seeing as how they have kept the faith.

            “Lightning does not usually strike twice in the same place”, the saying goes. Missing once is unfortunate; missing twice seems like carelessness — as Oscar Wilde might have mused.

          • HOFCToDi

            Christen Press looks better in the stands.

            youtube.com/watch?v=tAu9uJ12DQU

          • Steglitz49

            I still contend that she should have gone for her broadcasting opportunity. Maybe she did and failed some camera tests?

          • HOFCToDi

            2016 Rio Olympics
            Goals
            Lloyd – 2
            Press – 0

            2016 Rio Olympics
            Assists
            Lloyd -1
            Press – 0

            2016 Rio Olympics
            Penalty Kicks Attempted/Penalty Kicks Converted
            Lloyd – 1/1
            Press – 1/0

            2016 Rio Olympics
            Shots Attempted/Shots on Goal
            Lloyd – 10/4
            Press – 6/1

            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
            Goals
            Lloyd – 6
            Press – 1

            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
            Assists
            Lloyd – 1
            Press – 0

            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
            Penalty Kicks Attempted/Penalty Kicks Converted
            Lloyd – 2/2
            Press – 0/0

            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
            Shots Attempted/Shots on Goal
            Lloyd – 17/9
            Press – 7/2

          • LOFCToDi

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          • HOFCToDi

            Christen Press has never scored a goal against SWE:

            2013 Algarve Cup
            2014 Algarve Cup
            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
            2016 Rio Olympics

            In the last four matches the USA played SWE, Alex Morgan scored two goals while the rest of the team scored none.

            ussoccer.com/stories/2014/03/17/13/10/wnt-wins-group-b-at-2013-algarve-cup-to-advance-to-final

            ussoccer.com/stories/2014/03/17/13/19/140307-wnt-vs-swe-report

            ussoccer.com/stories/2015/06/12/20/59/150612-wnt-v-swe-game-story

            ussoccer.com/stories/2016/08/12/19/37/160812-wnt-falls-to-sweden-4-3-in-penalty-shootout-after-1-1-draw-in-2016-olympic-quarterfinals

            Alex Morgan missed the 2014 Algarve Cup and did not appear in her first match until 14 June 2014 for calendar year 2014.

            ussoccer.com/womens-national-team/lineups/2014-lineups

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          • JL

            “certainly one who could/should replace her at any time on the NT roster or in the food chain forward mix.”

            You lost me on this. No way would any top athlete believe someone else should replace them while they’re still in their prime.

        • HOFCToDi

          Tom Sermanni thought more highly of Leroux than Press.

          ussoccer.com/womens-national-team/stats/2013-statistics

          2013 Calendar Year
          Starts
          Morgan – 10
          Leroux – 9
          Press – 5

          DOB
          Press – 29 Dec 1988
          Morgan – 02 Jul 1989
          Leroux – 07 May 1990

      • skybolt

        I’m not sure Rick, but it appeared Dunn called Press off on that cross from Williams. I saw her look to the right as the ball was coming. One big recent improvement is Press’s game is her movement off the ball. Perhaps it’s due to the rest of the team being more comfortable with her positioning, but her runs and finding open space is very similar to Morgan’s. If she can continue doing that, she’ll be able to get a lot more scoring chances.

        • NYRick

          That’s an interesting observation. If you’re right, Press is a team player. She is basically giving a sure goal for herself to a teammate. One who she lobbies with for playing time. And one she has to outscore for any relevance with Ellis.

      • HOFCToDi

        Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

        garbage time
        prima donna
        selfish shot hog
        tomato cans

        2016 Rio Olympics
        Goals
        Lloyd 2, Press 0

        2016 Rio Olympics
        Assists
        Lloyd 1, Press 0

        2016 Rio Olympics
        Shots Attempted/Shots on Goal
        Lloyd 10/4, Press 6/1

        2016 Rio Olympics
        Penalty Kicks Attempted/Penalty Kicks Converted
        Lloyd 1/1, Press 1/0

        2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
        Goals
        Lloyd 6, Press 1

        2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
        Assists
        Lloyd 1, Press 0

        2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
        Shots Attempted/Shots on Goal
        Lloyd 17/9, Press 7/2

        2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
        Penalty Kicks Attempted/Penalty Kicks Converted
        Lloyd 2/2, Press 0/0

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      • Silver Frost

        Press will never play CF while Lloyd is given that position by Ellis.

  • Som Termanni

    With 5’9″ Mandy McGlynn (W. Va.) in goal, US U18s shut out Northern Ireland’s U19s 3-0 yesterday for 2nd place (behind England) at the Women’s International Cup. Isabella Briede (11′) and Mireya Grey (73′) scored for the USA, and Mia Palmer netted an own goal to negate a Caoimhe Callaghan save.

    The US finished 2-1, their only loss to undefeated England.

    http://www.irishfa.com/news/2016/october/northern-ireland-lose-final-womens-international-cup-game

  • Steglitz49

    Yesterday the Norwegian FA made history by showing their friendly with Sweden, LIVE via social media. The match was produced with four cameras, graphics and Norwegian commentators.

    The feed started 15 min before the game. There were interviews with players and coach, and even some behind the scenes clips before the game, at halftime and after the match. Viewers and the audience could also submit their questions along the way. There also was a report from the Fanzone outside the stadium and input from those following online.

    If you did not speak Viking, I guess it was all Double Dutch.

    • guest

      I’ve seen Norway matches on Youtube before.

      • Steglitz49

        Good for you, mate. Did you watch this one?

        While you are at it, please register yourself so we can follow your comments.

  • NYRick

    Off topic…any Walking Dead fans on here? Still reeling from Sunday’s episode.

    Neegan. Wow.

    • skybolt

      Walking Dead fan here and feel the same way!

      • NYRick

        Seriously, how good an actor is Andrew Lincoln? No one knows this guy’s name, and he never does US talk shows. Never even gets a nomination for an Emmy…yet for over 6 years he has been the focal point of the most popular and maybe the most inventive and intelligent tv show in recent history.

        • skybolt

          I always have an argument with WD fans wanting Rick off the show. IMO, the Walking Dead without Rick is like the original Star Trek without Captain Kirk. Spock and McCoy were great characters, but they wouldn’t be able to carry the show.

    • newsouth

      i was tired of glen. abraham went out like a boss. i was hoping they killed off carl, so he could be replaced with clementine. she’d be about 16 now in the WD universe and is a much richer character with a better story arc . carl sucks!

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wa80b5irBrA

      • NYRick

        You mean CORRAL!!

    • Steglitz49

      Time to listen to the Grateful Dead?

    • mockmook

      Westworld for the win…

  • guest

    So Ellis’ plan to railroad Ohai by giving her ten minutes of garbage time at the end of the match backfired on her and she winds up scoring a goal. It’s obvious Ellis never wanted to give her any meaningful minutes anyway, and giving her garbage time at the end of a match was just a way for her to cover her backside, to keep people from asking difficult questions, like why she never plays someone who has the skills and resume to play on the NT but never gets the chance. Not only did Ellis give her the fewest minutes possible, she wouldn’t even let her do it in front of her home town crowd. If you’re going to give a player garbage minutes, wouldn’t you at least let her do it in front of her home town fans who were expecting to see her? Instead, Ellis chose to play Hatch, a much less experienced player, and used the ever-handy excuse of “what happens in camp” to explain her decision. But snubbing Ohai in front of her friends and family was just a mean and spiteful thing to do, and another in a long line of strange decisions by Ellis, for which she ought to be held accountable, but never is. Not to take anything away from Williams, who won the Golden Boot and deserved to get playing time before Ohai, but considering their roughly equal skill sets and experience and their neck-and-neck Golden Boot race, shouldn’t they get equal playing time?

    Another odd decision by Ellis was subbing Horan in at the end of the match, as though there’s something we’re going to learn about Horan in fifteen minutes that we don’t already know. So why not cap another player? Is there something in the CBA which prevents Ellis from capping too many players? In the end, Ohai scores a goal despite Ellis’ best efforts to keep her off the pitch, and it turns out to be the brightest moment in the match, judging by goal celebrations. Now that her garbage time tactic has failed, what other dirty tricks does Ellis have up her sleeve to derail players’ careers?

    • kernel_thai

      It seems like the long established policy of USSoccer is that u build ur marketing strategy on the popularity of veteran players with name recognition. Yet by gauging fan reaction, it was Williams bursting on the scene in Utah, Sullivan’s play and Ohai’s shockingly quick statement that captured the fan’s imagination. Earlier this year it was the Rise of Mallory Pugh and u can go back to Alex Morgan ascendance in 2011. Maybe they need to reconsider their marketing strategy.

      • #1Fan

        I think excitement creates new ‘stars:. Relying on the veterans is self fulfilling from a marketing standpoint.

      • guest

        I don’t think they used all six subs. The Horan sub was completely pointless. Is there a reason not to cap more players? I mean, the one cap we did see had to be squeezed out of Ellis.

        • kernel_thai

          Well I still dont get the Colaprico thing. She’s been good enough to get invited to maybe 5 camps now but never good enough to get looked at in a game. That seems too fine a line.

          • #1Fan

            What does good enough to get invited to camp mean? That is my biggest issue. Good enough ,to me, means to get a cap. Going to camp and NOT getting in games is a total waste of a players time. USSF uses the crest to to take advantage of some players. It is very ahrd to say, if you dont plan on capping me, then ill stay home.

          • DNG

            I agree with you about. However, I think you have more of a problem with Ellis’ philosophy of how she awards caps as oppose to the USSF unless you think the USSF is telling Ellis to call players up she has no intention of playing.

          • #1Fan

            I said USSF becasue i feel the “own” the crest. Ellis is just a representative of that. But yes, its Ellis. I do wonder how Swanson feels about the Colaprico thing ? Hatch is interesting as well. One can argue that Jordan has been far more impressive over a longer period

          • DNG

            Is it possible Jordan could have rejected a call up because she plans to play overseas? I’ve started to wonder if top college prospects might start seeing what they can get in Europe.

          • kernel_thai

            It may be the other way around. Maybe Ellis’ discussed her future and Jordan’s lack of availability due to wanting to play overseas has moved her to the back burner. I doubt Jordan said no.

          • DNG

            Maybe. It’s also during the college season so I wonder if it’s possible that some players didn’t want to be pulled out of their college teams.

          • Steglitz49

            The French, German and Spanish seasons are well underway. The English will play a stunted spring season because they will switch to a winter season in the fall.

            Teams in Sweden and Norway are great to play for but the big money is in the wealthy clubs.

          • mockmook

            I thought I read or heard somewhere that Jordan removed herself from consideration because of the games she had coming up.

          • kernel_thai

            I dont think Ellis’ methods r different from the standard so my problem is more with general coaching philosophy. Im guessing she makes these decisions based on practice scrimmaging more than anything else. In that regard Id like to see a lot less time used on scrimmaging and a lot more spent on refining skill sets and practicing tactics. With less practice scrimmaging, getting new players in game situations would become a more useful tool and IMO the team would be better for it. This is one of the reasons they play friendlies.

          • #1Fan

            i dont know ANY good coach who makes long term decisions on a player based on one week of training camp. How many camps did Rachel Daly attend before getting capped? There is no way to get a complete picture of a player without giving them real game time. I dont see why you have players in to camps unless you plan on learning about them. This just re-inforces my view that the NWSL counts for nothing.

          • kernel_thai

            If Ellis took this job seriously she would be spending time in NWSL training sessions instead of scouting the occasional match. U could put together detailed evaluations on key players this way as well as offering input to ur league coaches. I believe Dawn Scott does something like this already but Ive never heard of a member of the senior staff doing it.

          • CED

            Camp is to see how you do against better competition, how you ranks against the pool of players. It’s like people who are great in college and then bomb in the pros b/c the competition is better.

          • #1Fan

            Fair, except we are talking about players who have excelled in College and the pros. In scrimmages things can happen. The way they are run can also be not conducive to seeing players perform. !s vs 2s – selfish play etc etc. I dont think one week of practice should be the yardstick, but in USSF case it absolutely is. They run the YNTs the exact same way.

          • skybolt

            For instance, out of all the under 23 players, it was McCaffrey who stood out most to Ellis during camp. However, it’s clear from her brief stint with the NT and the NWSL that she’s not exactly the cream of the crop with respect to the rest of the players. I understand that Ellis is the coach, but shouldn’t players be judged on how they perform in actual games vs. scrimmages?

          • CED

            McCaffrey had a good camp which got her several opportunities in games. She did not impress in games IMO. That’s how things should work. Camp performance erans you the CAP to see how that translates to real games. Now, sometimes people don’t get enough time. The only players that got enough time to make a preliminary determination were Williams and Sullivan. Short played may minutes at LB but was verse a poor attack so you can;t determine her defensive abilities at the international level. Even what I saw was not impressive to me. Hopefully next camp Gilliand and Short both get brought back and by some miracle Romania mounts some sort of attack to test the LB and the 3 back system. I think it’s a disaster vs any team with slight attacking ability.

          • skybolt

            The problem with Short is that she was beaten on the sideline by the Swiss attacker, which led to their breakaway goal. So even from a small sample of Swiss attack she did not perform well……….never mind the errant passes on the offensive end. If I was grading the players I’d give her a D- for her 2 performances. Now perhaps she did really well in camp (at least in Ellis’s eyes), which will probably earn her additional call-ups. I think what I and others are complaining about is that we have no clue what Ellis is looking for at these camps. Is it pure speed? Is it aggressiveness? Why have some of the players who supposedly performed well in camp (Hinkle, McCaffrey, Short, etc.) looked out of their league against international competition, while Ohai barely gets 10 minutes and appears to be on form from her last 10 NWSL matches? Something is off here.

          • Steglitz49

            The question regarding Casey Short is not as how she performed but rather who your real alternatives are. I would give Ms Short the benefit of the doubt. Norway just drew 0-0 with Sweden and Casey made the 1st XI of Toppserien so she can’t be that bad.

          • skybolt

            Nothing personal against Short, and I certainly don’t think she should be banished from the NT. What I’m basically trying to figure out is how does a player impress in camp, but play 2 awful games against the “B” squad of a mediocre team vs. another player who only received 10 minutes of play and looked like they hadn’t missed a beat from the NWSL season? Look at Tymrak,she was doing fine with the NT until that awful second half against Russia, and we never heard from her again. My question is that if Player “A” impresses in camp, but under performs in the actual match, do they still get dibs over Player “B” who was average in camp, but excelled in the actual match?

          • Steglitz49

            It is an interesting question and depends on what the head coach sees and how she interprets what she sees on the field.

            For example, JE seems to be keeping faith with Christen Press, something which after OG and the NWSL semi-final is a bit hard to follow but JE seems willing to persevere.

            Tymrak disappeared and so did Amber Brooks. I don’t know if Amber even got a cap. It certainly were not many.

            I think Pia, Silvia and Sasaki have all been criticized for either playing someone or not playing someone. For example, why did Pia not start Blackstenius in the OG final? Or, for WC-15, why did Neid not select Islacker and then not play Däbritz more?

          • #1Fan

            Great points. Some players are just not great practice players. Some are and totally choke when the lights go on. To only take the workout warriors in to games, you risk not ever giving the gamer a chance to show what she has

          • kernel_thai

            If soccer is a war then do u want players who do great in battle or who r great at marching in straight line. System is flawed. IMO friendlies r part of the evaluation process not a reward. The coach then uses amount of playing time to reward the ones who do the best in practice

          • #1Fan

            I agree with you totally. Its part of the evaluation. and the most important one. I do not even like giving caps for friendlies. but that is the way. In WoSo only the OLY and WC matter. Every game I play up to those events would be evaluation. Its like not allowing kids to sit a test unless they got over 90 in the practice test. I guess I just see it differently. this myth has grown up around the value of caps in friendlies and most of that is to support the marketing of said games as being meaningful with respect to the result. JPN U17 team came her , played all teh players and lost, but gained valuable insight into what worked, who could and could not play and then went to Jordan and totally manhandled the USA . the 3-2 scoreline was very misleading in terms of how close the game was. That is the way to evaluate players and build a team in my opinion.

            it almost feels like Ellis is being told she must call up certain players, but has no intention of using them. There is zero oversight, so if I say she did not do well in camp, there is no recourse

          • kernel_thai

            U have to feel for Short tho. She earned her look at OB but starts one game at WB and the rest at CB.

          • skybolt

            But she was beaten on the left side playing OB (on that play), leading to the Swiss goal. As an OB you should also be able to get some nice crosses into the box regardless of what position you’re penciled in as playing.

          • CED

            She was unimpressive going forward, too many loose and aimless passes. She was not tested defensively at all but still was not that sure of herself in the few attacks SUI made.

            Other options are Hinkle who is under contract currently and Gilliland who was in camp.

          • Paul Klee

            I hope Hinkle is coming back, though I think she is done — we’ll see. Ohai’s goal likely assures her of another camp. Sonnett’s poor match performance might cost her a contract next year depending on the new CBA. Unless Wisconsin wins the big 10 tournament Rose Leveille should be available to square off versus Romania.

          • kernel_thai

            Again, Hinkle’s contract was dropped so if she turns up in camp again so soon it’s a puzzling decision

          • CED

            Ohai will be in camp again b/c the few minutes played in garbage time make it impossible to make any assessment. The goal I don’t believe mattered in getting her in the next camp.

            Sonnett is already allocated. 21 payers names were released the other week when NWSL did waivers.. Players dropped were Hinkle, Solo, Engen, and O’reilly b/c of international retirement. They won’t likely release the new allocations till January. They will surely allocate a 3rd goalie, and some defenders. Those are where the spots were lost mostly. Also, by some BS Rampone was allocated. Don’t understand WTF is going on with that. She should just have been given a farewell game in the Romania friendlies in November. She hasn’t played for the team in yr and pulled herself out for OG spot, which she really never should have been invited to compete for anyway.

          • Paul Klee

            Hinkle Solo and Engen had their contracts terminated. O’Reilly retired. I don’t think that means that new allocations have been made, just that for the purposes of the re-entry wire they are still attached as allocated to those teams as current allocations. I doubt it indicates allocation status for next year as you say Rampone is still allocated.

          • CED

            I didn’t say new allocations were announced, that will be january and will only be 4 or 5 people. The 21 people keeping allocations are known. The people who lost it were known by how they were listed on the team waiver reports.

          • Paul Klee

            I know that’s what you said, and I think you’re wrong. I don’t think we know next year’s allocations. That announcement in my opinion just stated which players are currently allocated and therefore not subject to the re-entry wire. We’ll see.

          • CED

            You really don’t understand what it meant. Hinkle was allocated in 2016 and will not be in 2017. The list was the 21 known allocations fro 2017, 4 or 5 first time new allocations will be added in January. USSF told the team which current allocations will be renewed to allow teams to make those lists. It helps them plan as the rules of when a player is removed from allocation and the minimum offer teams must give could blow up their finances, thus they are informed early.

          • Paul Klee

            Really you know all this? You know for a fact that Christie Rampone has been told by USSOCCER that she is under contract for 2017? You also know for a fact that Canadian Soccer has also made their allocations for 2017?
            How do you know all this?

          • CED

            Like I said you don’t understand the meaning of the announcements. USSF tells the clubs which players are being allocated or will be made offers. WHY? B/c losing allocation means a team must make a minimum qualifying offer to a player dropped by USSF. The offer must be 65% of WNT NWSL salary or the league max, which is greater. This kind of change completely alters a teams finances b/c they are going from paying nothing for a player to paying essentially league max. That means if they really want to keep that player they have to alter their roster, which means putting people on waivers, terminating contracts, etc…

            On Rampone. if you understand what was explained means USSF told WNY they will offer her a contract initially, whether she takes it or nor..ie retires is up to her. USSF also could terminate her contract anytime in 2017 and pay her the severance package. As of now they are offering her a contract to start 2017.

          • Paul Klee

            Again you know all this for a fact? Or are you just speculating? So you are in fact guaranteeing that these 31 players US and Canadian are going to be on their countries respective allocated Federation lists for 2017?

          • CED

            Where were 31 players mentioned? Those 21 will be offered allocation, the only 1 that may not take it b/c they might retire is Rampone. This has been explained twice now and you’re clearly don;t understand what the announcements about teams meant,

            Nobody mentioned Canada, but please keep trying making stuff up so you can think you are making a point.

          • Paul Klee

            http://www.excellesports.com/news/nwsl-options-reentry-wire/
            21 US players and 10 Canadian players were named as Allocated Federation players in the NWSL re-entry wire rosters. In most mathematical systems that adds up to and equals 31 players.
            I have heard and understood your explanations, I just don’t necessarily agree them. I think it’s possible that the players listed as Federation Allocations for the purposes of the re-entry wire are not necessarily indicative of future USWNT contracts or for that matter future Canadian allocations.
            But you are so sure of your opinion you are going to defend it to the death. Because much like Pharaoh if CED says it; it must be accepted as absolute fact because he hath spoken.

          • CED

            First I never mentioned Canada b/c the topic was WNT/USSF and b/c the details of Canada fed is unknown whether they have a minuimum offer clause NWSL agreed to ifa player loses allocation. You clearly don’t understand what the list means and you keep proving it. It’s been explained why the teams are told which players allocations will be renewed 2016 to 2017 before they release wire roster. The list does not portend to people who will be first time allocations in 2017, which will be 4 or 5 players for USSF, maybe 1 extra if Rampone does the right thing and not try to suck the system dry another year. USSF keeps hoping she leaves and don;t want to make a legendary player end their career for WNT by being cut.

          • Paul Klee

            The Canadian allocations were presented in exactly the same manner as the US allocations. So the list means one thing for Canadian allocations and a different thing for US allocations according to you. Where is your evidence of this, besides your speculation? In what agreement between the USSF and the NWSL does it state that US soccer will guarantee next year allocations for those players currently allocated in October of the preceding year?

          • CED

            Again you prove you’re dense. don;t understand the wore list, how pro sports teams run and why they released the list to start with. This has been explained in the last post the implications for Canada are the same, if NWSL teams have to make a minimum offer, which amounts to max player contracts for CA players who lose allocation. You were even given an example with Engen, but your just not bright. This concept has been explained 4 times and is clearly above your intellect. Are you stupid?

          • Paul Klee

            Again this is just your opinion, until you produce documents from the NWSL and USSOCCER in which your assertions are documented it is just your view. I understand what you are saying but just because you say it doesn’t necessarily make it a fact, in my mind. What you are saying may be true, but the NWSL/USSOCCER relationship has not always been one of perfect clarity, in fact they have been known to change roster rules on a seeming whim.

          • Steglitz49

            Granted that the competition for a spot on the USWNT is fierce. It must to be given how many young ladies play soccer in the US.

            JE must be sitting scratching her head. Kealia plays not too many minutes and scores a goal. If JE is honest to herself, she must give Kealia more opportunities, even if she does not believe in her.

            As for Casey, what does she conclude? Will an even weaker team like Romania help her? JE’s Swedish assistant ought to have rung a few people in Norway and gotten some idea about Casey, not least the staff in Avaldsnes.

            Is the USWNT coaching staff some Minnie Mouse outfit?

          • atalba

            Listen to the players. Speed of play is incredibly important. When they come into camp, they are playing a faster game; a U.S. trademark game of faster speed of play. When these players hit camp, they realize things are different. When it is, how do they react? Also, as we saw, JE had a plan to roll out for this set of games a new formation. Who in the heck ever played that before? So the adjustment, like Allie Long made, was upon everyone in less slight ways, So “looking good” had variations, which I contend had less to do with the political sour grapes discussed here. They were real adjustments everyone, especially the new ones, had to make.

            Even Casey Short was pushed up, and maybe out of her comfort zone, just to see how she reacted. I think she did well when she was returned to the back line.

            Ohai is a scorer, She’s not a flank player; no matter what you all say. Where did her goal come from? I’m not saying she should play over anyone, but she needs to be in a position to finish; for her value.

          • DNG

            Ohai is a flank player or a 4-4-2 forward. She’s better out wide where her touch doesn’t have to be perfect. Where she scored her goal from doesn’t really change that. Her goals for the Dash this year came from counter attacking opportunities, where position is less important than spacing, and cutting inside to her right foot. She’s also a pretty accurate crosser. I don’t know why you think she’s not a flank player because she can score goals. She fits my mold of a WB.

          • Steglitz49

            If she is going to be a WB she must be able to defend. A WB who can’t defend is as much use as a chocolate teapot.

          • Steglitz49

            JE is on notice. She must have realized by now how lucky the US was to win WC-15 even with all the help that FIFA gave them. Else why did they bomb in OG-16?

          • kernel_thai

            Hinkles contract was dropped Gilliland is headed to Aus but I guess it is possible she wont leave until after Nov Camp. Cant see her going now and coming back in a week tho.

          • CED

            You have no idea what any coach is looking for in camp really b/c that’s a discussion between the staff and maybe the players. They only talk if it all publicly in vague terms. Ellis has made statements about the people who do well in camp get time in games., she wnats more possession, etc… That’s one of the few things she has said I agree with. The people who impress get opportunities, playing is a reward for a good camp, playing is not a guarantee b/c you go to camp. Also, they have forever to evaluate, nothing important till 2018 quals. Making 6 changes in friendly often destroys any continuity and makes it harder to evaluate, The fact is you want to see how the new people fit with the set people. How does Sullivan work with Brian, Dunn, Heath in the MF. How does Williams work those regulars. There is unlikely going to be a wholesale changes especially since many of the players listed are still very young(Dunn, Brian, Pugh(with U-20s now) Horan,etc.. You ‘re looking at chemistry of new people with people you know are part of the next cycle. Going to that point, it would make sense to have Morgan in next camp to see how she works with Sullivan b/c Sullivan worked well with the others in that holding MF and finding the threw ball to Williams and Press, Now see how it goes with your preferred striker in Morgan. Also, love to see how Pugh, Sullivan, Brian, Williams, Heath, Dunn, front 6 works.

          • skybolt

            Everything you said makes sense and I agree with it. My only question is does performance in camp trump play during an actual match? For instance, Ellis was obviously impressed with Short in camp, playing her in both matches. Does she factor in her play on the field, or is camp more important than the actual match at this point. In contrast, is Ohai still hanging by a thread since Ellis was not impressed with her performance in camp………..never mind the game?

          • CED

            Camp performance gives you the chance to get in the game. If you play poorly in the game than it downgrades your overall evaluation. It’s like being a Ranger Rick in golf.

            In fact, the scenario you speak of what happened to McCaffrey, good camps kept getting her game time, but she did not impress in games, She has not been back yet. Maybe she gets another chance with good NWSL play which is what got her into camp. But, that likely only occurs after other players are looked at in that spot and if nobody locks it down. To me that’s how things should work. This idea is hampered in full implementation by the contract system.

          • skybolt

            I agree with your approach. However, if a coach comes and says that certain players impressed in practice then they’re more likely to be given a long leash vs. someone like Ohai. Just look at how Pia stubbornly started A-Rod over Morgan for 2 years until Alex blew the roof off the building when given a chance to start. Short must bring her A game next time.

          • CED

            I think you look at patterns. Really good camp and poor games you get the the boot after several chances…ie…McCaffrey. OK camp, but good game you get more camps. But, your at risk b/c somebody may come in that does better camps and game performance. I have heard many players say their 1st few NT camps they were sub par b/c they were too nervous and got better each time they were called back

          • atalba

            She was called into camp prior to be drafted. She play u23 and did not have a great senior season at Boston College. She’s a mystery to me why she even got a chance.

            I use her as a benchmark for other players like Sofia Huerta, who had a huge college career and in the College Cup, and has done better in the NWSL.

          • Steglitz49

            Huerta should have stuck with Mexico’s WNT. If she is smart, she rejoins that outfit.

          • mockmook

            You’ve talked about the way things are, but that doesn’t mean that is the way things have to be (nor the best way).

            There are players who for whatever reason never look great in practice, but light it up in real games.

            I don’t get why you are so eager to exclude those players.

          • CED

            So, if you’re a coach running drills to practice your system of possession and players aren;t doing it well. You’re going to play them? I’ve coached. players who fumble thru the system and drills in training are not going to be priority PT over people who don’t.

            If you can’t do something in practice why should there be nay confidence you will do it in a game. If I run possession drill and yo keep giving the ball away why should I believe that’s not what you’re going to do in a game? If you keep getting beat as a defender and are out of position in 1/2 or full scrimmage why should I believe that’s not what you will do in a game? If you can’t score a PK in practice, I’m not picking you to take a PK in shootout on the logic you will do it a game, but can’t do it in practice. How you train matters! People who impress in training play.

          • mockmook

            If a player continues to perform in games, why do you want to ignore that?

          • kernel_thai

            Players heading to Australia have likely been told they arrent going to be in NT camp for Nov.

          • CED

            Players would be wise not to go to AUS over a WNT camp. Camp is much better long term prospect over the few bucks playing in AUS.

          • mockmook

            It’s not just the money for going to AUS, it is more GAMES — every game is important to player development (especially young players).

            Just one reason why you are wrong to rate camp performance over game performance.

          • CED

            LOL. AUS is a league even below NWSL. it’s not like your playing in Bundes. Going to pay in AUS over being in a USWNT camp would be stupid, hence why you think it is a good idea.

          • CED

            Pro league to international is another step up. There are a ton of players that are great for their club and are not when playing for country. Then even then there is the step from doing well in internationals against tomato cans and good teams..

            Second, there have been several players brought in to multiple camps that didn’t pan out. It’s not 1 week unless you literally sh*t the bed. Players like McCaffey in the last year were in several camps and games and were not brought back. Colaprico has been called to several camps and has not seen the field. Best guess, she hasn’t impressed in camp relative to others, but keeps getting in to camp b/c of NWSL exploits. There are several others I could name also. Just b/c you’re called into camp should not mean you get a CAP.

            People that impress in camp get time. It happened with Morgan Brian and Dunn while still in college. Sullivan may be on that track getting call ups thru her Jr and Sr years at Stanford. Pugh impresses in camp last january and in fact they were only initially bringing her in for experience b/c of injuries and the limitation on non contract players allowed. Several contract players were on injury and maternity. . She played at a level beyond what was expected and she thus got a shot and made the most of it.

          • #1Fan

            Lets agree to disagree. In theory what you are saying I fundamentally disagree with. For several reasons. The biggest one is that Camp by nature is a collection of US players playing a US style. It does not really replicate Intl soccer at all. I do not believe that playing in Camp scrimmages is a step up. I believe it is an extension of a a highly political environment in which several opinions are already formed. The coach is simply looking for that one play in Camp to justify and already negative perception. Players are not going in with a clean slate at all. I have no idea why she even calls in some of these players other than to have enough players to have 11 vs 11 games. If Camp is truly the yardstick, then everyone should go in equal. They dont. I totally disagree with the method/selection process beacuse it simply dismisses the NWSL. I believe quality players perform at all levels.

            If Ellis really had the courage of her convictions, she would put these players out there and let them fail . Then she would be able to close the book on them and move on. Instead I believe she is afraid to expose them becasue IF they do really well, it exposes her to questions she does not want to answer. If Colaprico is that bad in Camp then why invite her at all

          • CED

            You’re post is illogical and defeats itself. If you’re in camp and and are not impressing playing the “US style” you’re not a fit for the team. It doesn’t dismiss the NWSL several players, as I named kept getting called up b/c of NWSL. What part of that don’t you get. International cal ups initially are always based on club form, that goes for WNT or MNT and for every country. In most countries poor club form can see you not get called up or get called up and not capped. . Again, getting called up doesn’t guarantee you a CAP. The people that perform best in camp get CAPS. Ie…People were raving about Sullivan and Pugh in their first camps and they got CAPS. A good camp is rewarded by a CAP. You seem to think the camp is irrelevant and people should just get a CAP b/c they got to camp.

          • #1Fan

            as I said, lets disagree. You have very aggressive way of stating certain thing as facts which makes a discussion almost impossible.Here is the difference. Certain players play/ fit certain styles better. Also certain players fit international football better than others. MNT is a bad comparison here becasue the overall quality in league play is generally higher. Players are called in with the expectation that they can perform. They are NOT going full bore 11 vs 11 in scrimmages to decide who plays. the coach usually has a much longer frame of ref to pick a player. You even get players selected who are not even playing first team football for their Clubs at times who PLAY for the NT.
            Player should be called in to camps BECAUSE they are being evaluated. Part of that evaluation, for me, is playing in games. There is zero downside in giving them a look. NONE. Instead I see the same players over and over who we already have a full dossier on. Rapinoe was picked for the OLY correct? So i guess she did NOT have to perform in any recent Camp becasue we had enough evidence of her quality. We have enough evidence on most of the players called in to Camp and for me that is why the new players need to be capped in friendlies. So they can be eliminated. If Colaprico was bad iin Camp, then just don’t pick her for anymore , No matter what she does in the NWSL. The reality is its lip service to the NWSL aand a total waste of time for the player concerned.

            Every Camp cannot and should not be an audition.

            Either way, lets agree to disagree.

          • Steglitz49

            I have long contended that Pinoe was picked for reasons other than stictly soccer on the field.

            One should try to avoid comparing WoSo to BroSo because men are sufficiently different from ladies so as to render such a comparison meaningless.

            There is some merit in comparing individual players across the sexes.

          • CED

            Sorry, you’re touchy won the clear ilogical points you make are shown, You defeat your own arguments.

            1)Players fit systems, not certain players fit international better than others. A great player can be made to seem poor by misuse. That’s was what happened with someone like Pogba in the Euros. His abilities were competely wasted in the system they way he was played as #6.

            2)By your stated logic WNT calls up players that they don’t expect to perform. That’s bizarre logic but fits in your deluded notion that camp is irrelevant and that if you get called to camp you automatically get a CAP. A CAP is a reward for a good camp.

            3)The notion MNT has longer frame of ref to pick players is completely untrue. MNT has a 18 game Wcup quals over almost 18 month time. They have very few worthless friendlies b/c all their quals are played on FIFA breaks. WNT has 2 years of unimportant friendlies and tons of camps. WNT had 15 friendlies just in 2016 before OG and the same in 2015 before Wcup. MNT has a fraction of that time b/c their players play in leagues all over and can only come back during FIFA windows and MLS players are not given the wide latitude to miss league games like NWSL allows.

            4)Rapinoe example is irrelevant. I said 100 times an unfit player should not have been taken. But, the fact is part of that was the WNT CBA and the vet protection system of salaries.

            5)Every camp should be an audition.

          • Steglitz49

            It is a well recognized fact that there are players who do not live up to their club performance in the NT and others who play well in the NT but are at best passable at club level. Why this should be so is an interesting question. It is usually ascribed to wilting under pressure and staying out of the kitchen.

            I am not persuaded that a Cap should be a reward for a good camp. It is in the white heat of a real match that the true colors of a player shines through. One scores the goal at 90+2′, like Mandy Islacker, and another does not but hits the bar or worse.

            Your point #3 is well taken. We will see how the relationship between the NWSL and foreign leagues develops.

            #5 — “Zlatan does not do auditions” applies to a couple of the current WNT players, most obviously Alex Morgan. They are “hors categorie” as they say in the Tour de France.

          • CED

            Have you ever coached? If you did than did you play players who trained poorly just b/c over players who trained well? The players who run the drills, the half field scrimmages, box drills, etc…well were played the same as the people who did it at a lower level. If I run a possession drill and you keep making turnovers and somebody else doesn’t, I know who I’m playing. How you train gives incite to how you will play. Great/good players don’t train poorly. They are working on game skills and have pride/heart to always do things well.

          • Steglitz49

            All that goes without saying.

            The other reality is that there are players you always turn to because they have proven over again that they deliver when it matters. Such players take their practice and skills improvement as seriously as and often more seriously than the rest.

            Your point, that you know who you are playing, probably goes a long way towards explaining why we do not see a Alex-Christen partnership up front, at least not very often.

          • #1Fan

            i will address your points

            If by touchy, you mean i try and treat other on forums with some level of respect,then guilty. I have been called a liar by you over something I have no reason to lie about- my own kids. So please understand why I really don’t feel the need to defend my attitude towards your posts and their tone.

            1. We must assume that in selecting them Ellis believes they fitter system. However, we clearly see she is trying to change things tactically by looking at different formations

            2.Your premise totally excludes any value on Club form. And yes, if you invite a player multiple times and never give her a chance in a real game, then why are you calling her up? Move on. What are you expecting to see in camp 5 if camp 1-4 have not shown you enough?

            3. I was not referring to the USMNT only, but again Club form is a massive determinant of selection. They don’t go in to camp fighting for places. Intl Coaches tend to already know their best line ups. Because they have a far longer history and Club form to go on ( much more than women) So yes, a much bigger same size and frame of reference usually.

            4. its irrelevant what you think of the Rapinoe decision. The point is she was selected without any camp audition on the basis of historical form.This tells you that for some, camp is NOT an audition at all

            5. I dont agree. Every camp should be about finding the best combination of player to play INTERNATIONAL football. The additions should be over a long period of time in which camp plays a part but NOT the total B all and end all.

          • CED

            1) You made the silly international vs club player argument which was showns for it’s silliness b/c it;s all about systems

            2)Only in you mind to make excuses for your poor argument did I ever say club form is excluded . try again. Another ridiculous nonsensical statement about camp 5 vs 1-4.. You’re grasping at straws to hold onto your poor logic from the other previous posts., which was exposed in all it’s faults.

            3)Complete and utter nonsense and sill attempt to back track on your nonsensical statement on longer frame of reference.

            4)You bought up Rapinoe. Another weak attempt to salvage your argument that has alerady been destroyed in other posts.

            5)You finally finish with complete nonsense that camp was stated as everything. Since you can;t follow lets make it simple.. Club/collegiate play puts you on the radar to get to camp, you compete in camp against people vying for spots. The better performance in camp in which you’re working on the system gets you game opportunities. Then your performance in games matters. Examples of players have already been given, but you’re determined to hold on to your already proven false statements, logic,etc,,,and you keep trying to come up with more nonsense in each post to salvage it.

          • #1Fan

            typical forum hero. Brave behind a keyboard. And possibly the most arrogant person here. Forums are for intelligent debate. Not the ego driven diatribes you specialize in ..BLOCKED..

          • CED

            Your silly argument was shown for what it was time and time again.

          • Lorehead

            He’s especially bad because this is a forum about WoSo, and he has nothing but contempt for WoSo.

          • Steglitz49

            Mallory Pugh took her chance with aplomb. She recognized that this was her opportunity and made the most of it.

            Whether as the years go by, Mallory can keep up her standard will be fascinating to watch.

          • Steglitz49

            You sound dangerously close to — “Zlatan does not do auditions”.

            If you are going to have a full scale training match in camp you need at least 22 players to be there. That may be why FIFA has increased the number of players in a squad to 20+3.

            The OG remain wedded to 16+2 so in an Olympic year, at least 4 players must needs be left behind.

          • #1Fan

            Im sorry but you lost me

          • Steglitz49

            The US has more and longer camps than most if not all other WNTs. As I understand it they play fullscale practice matches. Unless you are going to ask local players of varying quality to play, you need at least 2×11=22 players and when you chuck in some subs, maybe a camp needs 30 players.

            Thus, some players in camp may never get a chance to play. The standard for a friendly is 6 subs but you can of course negotiate more. Once you get closer to the major championship, those that play will be the 1st XI.

            Mallory Pugh got called into camp purposely to play her. She even got to go to OG-16. She fulfills your idea that if you go to camp you deserve a cap. She also fulfills Zlatan’s tongue in cheek comment that he does not do auditions.

          • HOFCToDi

            Sir Alex Ferguson reveals his blueprint for managing MU

            telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/10299345/Sir-Alex-Ferguson-reveals-his-blueprint-for-managing-Manchester-United.html

            “Everything we did was about maintaining the standards we had set as a football club this applied to all my team building and all my team preparation, motivational talks, and tactical talks. For example, we never allowed a bad training session. What you see in training manifests itself on the game field.”

            “So every training session was about quality. We didn’t allow a lack of focus. It was about intensity, concentration, speed a high level of performance. That, we hoped, made our players improve with each session.”

          • guest

            “What you see in training manifests itself on the game field.” Well then wouldn’t what you see on the game field manifest itself in practice? Sir Alex’s statement is ridiculous. Every player at this level is a professional and they know what’s expected of them. Do you think they got to this level without focus and intensity? Some players just perform on the big stage better than others. Look at Alex Morgan. If you watched her games with the Pride, you wouldn’t think she could perform at the level she does with the NT. It’s a whole different ball game when you get to the next level. Some players have it some don’t. Anyway, do you really think they would bench Alex if she lost focus in practice??

    • skybolt

      I wish I could disagree, but have to agree with every word. Ellis stated that the players who performed well in camp received playing time. So if Ohai DID actually perform well in camp, shouldn’t she have received more than 10 minutes in a 4-1 match (vs. 135 for Williams)? It sort of reminds of Pia bringing Morgan into the Italy qualification match in the 85th minute and then not playing her in the 2nd leg, even though she scored the winning goal.

    • Guest

      Ohai is a wide player and Lynn is more of a traditional forward, so they aren’t playing the same position. Given that Ellis inexplicably doesn’t seem to want to play Press for full games, Dunn’s ineffectiveness at CF, and that she may or may not be sending a signal to Morgan, Lynn might actually be competing for a spot where there is less depth given the current roster.

      • Steglitz49

        Lynn Williams and Alex Morgan could be a pairing. Lynn Williams could sub for Alex and vice versa.

        Where that would leave Kealia Ohai is an interesting question. Christen Annemarie will continue to be a Gre for the USWNT. She is probably more of a Gre than a Li.

        • Jamie

          Lynn (if she gets called up again) leaves Ohai nowhere, if Ohai is competing for a spot it is as a wide midfielder against Pugh, Dunn, Heath. Lynn and Press or Morgan and Press is the best pairing – two different skillsets. Morgan and Williams play too similar a game to be paired together at forward.

          • Steglitz49

            The Morgan-Press pairing has been touted for at least 3 years now and not come to pass. That should tell you something.

            JE seems to be happy with Christen playing wide as a provider and Christen seems content with doing seeing that the alternative would be not playing at all. Smart lady.

            Maybe Ohai could be a sub. A team always needs a night watchwoman.

          • Camoes

            Tend to agree here. Press was invited, and Morgan was not. Hence, the Press-Morgan thing was mothballed. Can’t wait to see if Press appears again in Romania tomato can games.

          • Silver Frost

            Lloyd and Press out, Morgan and Pinoe in?

          • HOFCToDi

            WNT October Camp Wraps Up

            ussoccer.com/stories/2016/10/25/19/31/161025-wnt-october-camp-wraps-up

            “Unreal,” Ellis said. “That was a cracker. It was a spectacular finish. And it’s not just about her finish, her play was good, her decisions-making, her passing. Her overall play was very, very good.”

            The goal was also an exclamation mark for Lloyd who kicked off the year by winning the 2015 FIFA Women’s Player of the Year award back in January. The game on Sunday was the last of 2016 for her as she is set to get married early next month and will miss the USA’s friendlies vs. Romania in November.

          • guest

            i wonder if alex morgan will be invited to carli lloyd’s wedding?

          • Steglitz49

            Alex was at Allie Long’s hen party.

          • Paul Klee

            Well unlikely as apparently she is the maid of honor at Allie Long’s wedding this Saturday. Carli Is getting married a week from Saturday. Alex needs some training time to get ready for Romania. Of Galanis might demand that Carli drop everything and come to a training session @ 10pm during her reception perhaps Alex could tag along.

          • Steglitz49

            If Alex was excused the makers of fine cuckoo-clocks, why would she not be excused Romania who, as you reported elsewhere, did not qualify for Euro-17.

          • kernel_thai

            The real question is will Galanis be giving away the bride at the Lloyd affair : )

          • lol

          • Steglitz49

            Morgan and X, more likely. I am not sure what you mean by “in” because Alex is part of the woodwork.

          • Steglitz49

            Alex may have been asked to be excused or could be carrying some minor injury. There are other explanations as well obviously.

            The question for Press is whether she can be a creative provider. Sending in sublime passes for someone else to score off can be satisfying when she knows that her team-mates appreciate her hard work. When they come up to her in the locker room and thank her for yet another brilliant supportive play and tell JE that.

            There are examples of that in male soccer so why not in female soccer. Press the Professoressa.

          • She had two good assists this series of friendlies. Lets see if that becomes another part of her game. Her field vision is definitely improving.

          • kernel_thai

            I would think Press gets Lloyd’s spot and Morgan gets Press’. It will be most interesting to see how much Press-Morgan we see with this formation or if its Morgan-Williams with Press or Dunn tucked behind.

      • kernel_thai

        I think the message was aimed at Leroux and A-Rod.

        • Calci0

          Or Morgan wasn’t in camp, which gave Ellis a prime opportunity to see Williams. The players you mentioned weren’t available….

    • guest

      watch out for a jill ellis November Surprise!!!

    • Steglitz49

      Kealia answered by scoring a goal. That is the spirit.

      Now, if Ms Ohai starts against Romania, she had better be on song and either pile the goals in or notch up tons of assists and passes that others botch up.

      Go for it Kealia!

  • Craigaroo

    Good attendance figure: 23,400. TV viewership so-so: 148K (no breakdown as yet). The US/Swiss friendly however outdrew both MLS matches on the day. Seattle/RSL (on ESPN) – 141K; LA/Dallas (FS1) – 64K + 44K (on Fox Deportes)
    ¶ NBCSN killed it on the day with ManUtd/Chelsea 602K and NASCAR (Talladega) – 3.575M
    source: http://www.sportstvratings.com

  • Som Termanni

    USWNT friendly drew 149k viewers to FS1. The MLS game that followed (FC Dallas clinching the Supporters’ Shield over LA Galaxy) retained less than half the USWNT audience (64k).

    • Craigaroo

      While it’d be nice to see bigger numbers for the USWNT, perhaps there’s some encouragement for the NWSL that the US team doesn’t always outshine them in the ratings. The Championship game drew 180K, also on FS1. In either case, I think the numbers are respectable. They aren’t eye-popping by any means but (to me) they look like numbers which easily keep women’s soccer on the map when it comes to the TV programming world.
      ¶ as a sidenote, I think it’s interesting that the WNBA final series seemed to average 400-500K viewers for the 5 games. Solid numbers, to my eyes.

      • Som Termanni

        New Coke lineup:

        Oct. 23 USAvSUI friendly on FS1: 149k
        Oct. 19 USAvSUI friendly on ESPN2: 169k

        Olympic lineup:

        Sept. 18 USAvNED friendly on FS1: 243k
        Sept. 15 USAvTHA friendly on ESPN2: 266k

        Pre-Olympic tuneups:

        July 22 USAvCRC friendly on ESPN: 488k
        July 9 USAvRSA friendly on FS1: 323k

        Olympic camp friendlies:

        June 5 USAvJPN friendly on ESPN2: 434k
        June 2 USAvJPN friendly on FS1: 299k

        April friendlies:

        April 10 USAvCOL friendly on ESPN: 622k
        April 6 USAvCOL friendly on FS1: 296k

        SheBelieves Cup was not televised.

        • guest

          “SheBelieves Cup was not televised.”
          You sure about that? I was at one of the matches and I recall watching a cameraman at work.

          • Paul Klee

            USA V ENG was on FS1 the other two US matches were on ESPN 3 (internet). And the 3 matches not including US teams were on European television or something.

          • CED

            Exactly, The problem with tv is that the games fall right in the window of College basketball conference tournaments, which Fox and ESPN already signed deals for long ago.. Fox Sports and ESPN share rights to USMNT and WNT home friendlies and for MNT they share home Wcup quals rights. So, SBC games will not be shown if they conflict with the bball games. ESPN thus showed bball games and put the games on ESPN3 streaming. FS1 showed the 1 game that was not in conflict with their bball schedule.

          • Steglitz49

            In short, the interest in WoSo is at best skin deep.

            What was the viewing figures for the Bomb in Brasilia?

            I could find these figures before the Miracle on Grass. The 2-2 draw with Colombia was watched by an audience of 3.6 million. It followed the 1.3 million who tuned in to watch the USWNT beat New Zealand 2-0, and the 2.9 million who watched the US defeat France 1-0.

          • Craigaroo

            No doom-and-gloom. Those are solid numbers for friendlies. They aren’t blockbuster numbers but those numbers are no joke. They are numbers that I’m sure the industry folks take seriously. It’s not NFL, etc, but that’s solid counter-programming.

          • Steglitz49

            Let’s hope they can reinforce and build further.

          • Som Termanni

            For March 3 USAvENG #SheBelieves Cup on FS1: 293k. None of the other cup matches were on US television. The remaining US matches were on ESPN3, which is an internet streaming service, not a cable/broadcast channel.

            England’s matches were broadcast live on BBC Two and BBC Red Button (interactive digital-only channel).

            DFB TV livestreamed all of Germany’s games from their website.

            D17 and Canal + Sport broadcast all of France’s games.

            For what are probably obvious reasons, there are no viewership numbers for any of these, nor would they be particularly relevant when looking at the USWNT’s viewership numbers in 2016.

        • Steglitz49

          What is your conclusion? That the Bomb in Brasilia was more of a torpedo? The Miracle on Grass came with a price-tag.

          • Som Termanni

            The October friendlies were counter-programmed against the presidential debate and MLB NLCS (Oct. 19) and NFL (Oct. 23). The September friendlies were countered against the NFL (TNF on Sept. 15, regular slate on Sept. 18) and multiple MLB games.

            MLB, NFL, and NCAAF conflicts aren’t unusual for WNT friendlies, and the September friendlies against Thailand and the Netherlands were actually up YoY compared to 2015’s September friendlies against Haiti.

            The October friendlies are down hard compared to 2015, but the Presidential Debate conflicts weren’t a factor (2012 ratings were worse across the board then too) and the friendlies were against Brazil, a team casual fans are more likely to watch. It’s hard to say if removing several of the most popular players from the October lineups materially affected viewership–everything programmed against either a presidential debate or the back half of the NLCS tanked this year, as the NLCS hit record ratings in what was otherwise a down year for MLB and set all-time all-sport records for FS1, and the debates drew 8 figures per channel across multiple channels.

            For some context, the highest-rated 2016 MLS game on FS1 drew 270k (LA-POR on April 10, which aired 7 hours after the April 10 USAvCOL USWNT friendly on ESPN that drew 2.3x more viewers). That’s down for FS1 by about 40k. The highest-rated MLS game on FOX broadcast drew 1.2M, and they averaged about 670k.

            The USMNT peaked in 2016 drawing 2.1M on FS1 during Copa, and averaged about 1.7M. They probably drew more on Univision, and did draw more on UniMas than FS1 in their previous Copa matches, but Univision doesn’t often release numbers. On Friendlies, the MNT drew 454k for USA-Bolivia on FS1, 429k vs. Ecuador, and 304k vs. Puerto Rico. All were earlier in the year, with the WNT outdrawing them concurrent to schedule (by 34k, 5k, and 318k respectively).

            2016’s highest-rated USWNT game on cable TV was USAvCOL at Rio (4.7M, FS1’s all-time soccer viewership record). NBC did not release numbers for the one USWNT match aired on US OTA broadcast TV (S49’s favorite sporting event in all of mankind’s history, USAvSWE at Rio).

            Peak ’15 WWC USWNT ratings were 25.4M on FOX broadcast vs. Japan; the USWNT averaged 8.1M across the ’15 WWC. USWNT friendly average viewership in ’15 was 333k. USMNT drew an average of 567k, buoyed by two high-profile friendlies (1M USA-BRA on ESPN, 806k USA-MEX on FS1).

            So what is my conclusion? If the USWNT is chasing ratings, it should schedule better opponents, play its popular starters, and not appear opposite of major news events and other leagues’ meaningful games or postseasons. But that’s been true forever.

          • Steglitz49

            If the USWNT was playing one of the top 10 ranked opponents they would field the A team even if the ought to be experimenting with new blood. That might get good viewing figures.

            It is a bit odd that we can’t find viewing figure for that QF in Brasilia but we also could not find figures for the 2016 FA women’s cup. Maybe the figures were poor for both matches?

            The next two years will be lean. People generally do not watch meaningless matches. Then WC-19 will be in the European time-zone so we could be looking at kick-offs at anywhere between 11am to 2pm ET.

      • Steglitz49

        The 2015 Women’s FA Cup Final attracted a peak audience of nearly two million TV viewers.
        I can’t find figures for 2016. Maybe someone can help us?

        • Som Termanni

          Not I. If the BBC has released numbers for it, I haven’t seen them.

          • Steglitz49

            Thank you for trying.

            2 million viewers in the UK corresponds to like 10 million in the US and if you restrict it to England, it is more like 14 million viewers. For the FA women’s cup final.

            I don’t know what the EWNT draws in TV ratings.

      • Som Termanni

        The WNBA finals were flat in ratings and down in viewership vs. 2015 and 2014, despite having the most-watched Game 1 since 1998: http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2016/10/wnba-ratings-espn-sparks-lynx-finals-viewership/

        The Game 5 final, down 9% compared to 2015, was also played opposite the NLCS, Thursday Night Football, and the USWNT friendly.

        Also notable: That best-in-18-years WNBA Game 1 started an hour before (and overlapped with) the NWSL finals, which had the most viewers of any NWSL match.

    • Paul Klee

      Considering that Wednesday was up against the Presidential debate and a NLCS baseball game…. Sunday of course up against the NFL…

  • ABCDE

    Not even a huge Ohai fan but she would be a far better solution than Short at wide mid in the 3-5-2…. Ellis lineups make absolutely no sense most of the time – Allie Long is NOT a centerback and Broon cannot play wide. Curious to see if Ohai gets more call ups. OHara shines in this formation though.

    • Guest

      not really. Dunn should be playing wide in a 3-5-2 because OHara can’t defend.

      • Steglitz49

        KO was converted into a LB for OG-12. It worked well. Why KO is not playing LB is a mystery.

    • kernel_thai

      Ohai has to make even the dumbest coach curious out of this formation. She has the speed and the engine to get to the corner and all back to defend all day with the added bonus that she can get into the box and grab goals. Ellis would have to devolve even further to not at least see how this plays out.

      • DNG

        I want to be careful before making any conclusions on 10-20 minutes for Ohai. The thing that really troubled short was defenders being in her face as soon as she got the ball. I think those are things that could trouble Ohai as well. I need to see more of her. Her goal was excellent though.

        • kernel_thai

          Right but no one is talking about giving Ohai a contract…for me u get one camp to establish interest. If u do then u get a multi camp evaluation to see if that interest actual deserves a spot. Ohai is mostly potential at this point but this is the time in the cycle where u can invest in potential.

  • guest

    Serious question – do people think Lynn Williams is getting called in again? She is an athlete for sure, but not a great goal scorer

    • Kate

      jill is extremely stupid and given the amount of minutes she gave Lynn, probably. she just wants people who can crash the box.. despite the lip service she gives wanting a more technical team, she doesn’t actually want that in her forwards. otherwise she’d be starting press and playing her for 90

      • Guest

        crystal dunn would have been cut a million years ago if we were basing anything on performance

        • htm222

          what? no. she is a great player.. possibly a better super sub than starter, but she is the reason we have won multiple high pressure games in SBC/OG

        • HOFCToDi

          Christen Press
          2016 Rio Olympics
          Goals 0, Assists 0

          Crystal Dunn
          2016 Rio Olympics
          Goals 1, Assists 1

          Christen Press
          2016 SheBelieves Cup
          Goals 0, Assists 0

          Crystal Dunn
          2016 SheBelieves Cup
          Goals 1, Assists 0

          Christen Press
          2016 CONCACAF Women’s Olympic Qualifying
          Goals 2, Assists 1

          Crystal Dunn
          2016 CONCACAF Women’s Olympic Qualifying
          Goals 6, Assists 1

          • Hans Castorp

            Scoring goals, especially against top defenses, is overrated, apparently.

          • HOFCToDi

            Christen Press has cemented her legacy with the USWNT:

            garbage time
            prima donna
            selfish shot hog
            tomato cans

            2016 Rio Olympics
            Goals
            Press 0

            2016 Rio Olympics
            Assists
            Press 0

            2016 Rio Olympics
            Shots Attempted/Shots on Goal
            Press 6/1

            2016 Rio Olympics
            Penalty Kicks Attempted/Penalty Kicks Converted
            Press 1/0

            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
            Goals
            Press 1

            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
            Assists
            Press 0

            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
            Shots Attempted/Shots on Goal
            Press 7/2

            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
            Penalty Kicks Attempted/Penalty Kicks Converted
            Press 0/0

          • Hans Castorp

            Yes but have you seen that technique….

          • HOFCToDi

            Christen Press technique on the penalty kick in the quarterfinals of the 2016 Rio Olympics was masterful.

            By the way, I did not mention the stats for Christen Press at the SheBelieves Cup.

            Meanwhile, Alex Morgan scored more goals at the SheBelieves Cup than ENG and FRA combined.

            youtube.com/watch?v=2P6YY74wczg

            youtube.com/watch?v=ccTvUHdVtOs

          • HOFCToDi

            Always Alex, never Christen …………………….

            youtube.com/watch?v=zN8lBGxk7Iw

            youtube.com/watch?v=KHCa3M5gZfo

            youtube.com/watch?v=wpPUPUCqOI8

          • HOFCToDi

            I saw that technique in 2008 ………..

            youtube.com/watch?v=PacY7Enz9hQ

            2008 Goal of the Year declared

            fifa.com/theclub/news/newsid=999807/index.html

            USA striker Alex Morgan’s 42nd-minute winner against Korea in the final of the FIFA U-20 Women’s World Cup Chile 2008 is rated as the second best goal of the year. Morgan walked away with the Adidas Silver Ball and Bronze Shoe awards for her four goals and stellar performance at the tournament.

          • Steglitz49

            Some goal! Thanks for sharing.

          • HOFCToDi

            2016 Calendar Year
            Christen Press
            Goals Scored
            PUR, CRC, COL, COL, CRC, THA, SUI, SUI

            Christen Press has yet to score against a FIFA Top Twelve Ranked opponent in calendar year 2016.

            fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/women/index.html

          • HOFCToDi

            Christen Press has yet to be named Budweiser Woman of the Match in calendar year 2016.

            ussoccer.com/womens-national-team/results-statistics

          • HOFCToDi

            Tournaments don’t matter either. [sarcasm]

            en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_Women%27s_World_Rankings#Importance_of_the_match

          • Hans Castorp

            I agree with you, but some people on this site think slicing through the #1 defense in the tournament and scoring – multiple times – is not an impressive feat, but playing “technically” while accomplishing nothing when it counts is.

          • HOFCToDi

            To sum up the “Press Gang Troll Brigade”:

            youtube.com/watch?v=dI3AmDO9mSk

          • Steglitz49

            An astute observation.

          • HOFCToDi

            Aesthetics are for losers, results are for winners. Just ask the France women’s national football team:

            2011 FIFA Women’s World Cup
            2012 Summer Olympic Games
            2013 UEFA Women’s Euro
            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
            2016 Summer Olympic Games

            Is there even a bronze medal to be found?

          • Steglitz49

            You can add 2009 to that list.

            France lost the 2011 bronze match to a Sweden playing with 10 ladies. Hammarström scored the so-called Hammer-goal that won Sweden the match 2-1.

            2019 will be on home grass. They have a new head coach — another unknown chap.

          • HOFCToDi

            4 years (2013, 2014, 2015, 2016)
            78 caps
            2 head coaches

            If Christen Press had any semblance of so called “technical ability”, Christen Press would have more than one assist credited versus the Top 10 FIFA Ranked opponents.

          • Steglitz49

            Maybe time played in minutes would tell you more than just caps?

          • HOFCToDi

            Do your own research for a change:

            ussoccer.com/womens-national-team/stats/2013-statistics

            ussoccer.com/womens-national-team/stats/2014-statistics

            ussoccer.com/womens-national-team/stats/2015-statistics

            ussoccer.com/womens-national-team/stats

            ussoccer.com/womens-national-team/results-statistics

          • HOFCToDi

            FIFA Top Ten Ranked Opponents
            USWNT Goals Scored
            Morgan (DOB 02 Jul 1989) – 34
            Leroux (DOB 07 May 1990) – 8
            Press (DOB 29 Dec 1988) – 3
            Johnston (DOB 06 Apr 1992) – 2
            Dunn (DOB 03 Jul 1992) – 2
            Horan (DOB 26 May 1994) – 2
            Mewis (DOB 09 Oct 1992) – 1

            Christen Press has never scored a goal against the following Top Ten FIFA Ranked opponents:

            fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/women/rank=554/index.html

            GER, ENG, SWE, JPN, BRA, PRK, CAN

        • HOFCToDi

          I’m still looking for that goal from Christen Press at the 2016 SheBelieves Cup.

          youtube.com/watch?v=lF7BtTrK-wA

        • HOFCToDi

          I’m still looking for that goal from Christen Press at the 2016 Rio Olympics.

          nbcolympics.com/video/crystal-dunn-equalizes-us-against-colombia

      • #1Fan

        Great point and one that I see throughout even the your ranks. Look at the forwards on the U16 thru U 20 teams. Not many technical intelligent forwards who can finish.

        • DNG

          I don’t see any harm in giving Williams a look and a good amount of minutes. Press is already known as a forward for the NT but I wonder if the reason a player like Horan hasn’t really gotten a look from Jill at fwd is because she doesn’t think Horan will be able to press back lines quickly enough. During the broadcast I heard the announcers mentioning something about Ellis always wanting the team to press their opponents.

          • Steglitz49

            Pressing your opponent is a fundamental component of the game. The question, rather, is in which section of the pitch you do it. You can go for a high press or you can back home.

            Once we know how the new CBA/MOU is structured, we will also see whom of the players signed their pink slips in Brasilia.

          • kernel_thai

            What Williams has earned is a longer evaluation. Good work ethic and nose for the ball, speed to burn and moves well off the ball. Not a pure finisher but will get a lot of hustle goals.

          • DNG

            I’m fine with Williams continuing to get a look. I think the issue for some, myself included, is that Ellis say one thing with regards to identifying and playing more technical players but it doesn’t seem to apply when it comes to her selection of forwards. Press, for example, is simply a superior technical player to Williams or Morgan. Horan is too and can’t get a look there. Maybe Horan is due to Ellis’ desire to constantly high press the opposition. I don’t know what the reason is but the forward position is biggest example of where there is inconsistency with what Ellis says and does.

          • skybolt

            I’m not exactly sure what technical means if you can score goals when it really matters. Press is terrific at getting off shots with limited space and at tough angles (similar to Stephen Curry). Morgan is more like Russell Westbrook where she’ll put her body on the line and go to the hole. The goal she scored against Germany in the She Believes Cup (as well as many other top teams) were very technical. Sure it wasn’t bent around the goal keeper into the top corner, but Lebron doesn’t exactly have a pure outside shot either. It’s the overall game that matters.

          • DNG

            Close ball control, passing ability, vision, speed of play and movement off the ball are some examples. I think Press is noticeably better in tight spaces with the ball than either Morgan or Williams who are both players that need open fields to be at their most effective. Press is pretty good in the open field too but she can adapt to other styles of attacking play better than the other two.

            This isn’t to say I don’t think Morgan and Williams are effective players because I think they are very effective players. But, compare both players and those attributes I mentioned in the first sentence to any player on the Japanese team from the June friendlies. The difference is evident and noticeable. And just to clarify, I don’t think the US should forget about it’s athletic DNA, I just think there needs to be more of a focus on finding players who can provide both adequately. To that end I think Press does that better than Morgan or Williams despite Press’ other faults.

            The goal Morgan scored against Germany was not really an example of those things more than it was of her ability to run past the german defenders, fight them, take one touch and shoot. She does really well on this play but it’s genesis and reason for success primarily about Morgan’s advantage in athleticism over the German CBs.

            Sorry but I don’t really understand the Lebron James comparison. If you’re trying to say Morgan or Williams is at all comparable to James we’re just going to have to agree to disagree.

          • skybolt

            First of all I’m not exactly sure why Williams is mentioned in the same breath as Morgan at this stage of her career. When she starts scoring multiple goals per game against Germany, Japan, France, Sweden, Canada, etc. then we can talk. Secondly, Morgan is excellent at finding space in tight spaces while fending off defenders. She’s also terrific at finding teammates for scoring opportunities, which is why she almost beat Hamm’s single season assist record with assists. If the problem is that she can’t score against compact defenses, well she did score against Sweden in the Olympics. Perhaps other players should have stepped up and scored coming off the bench like Morgan did against France and Japan in the 2011 WC. How quickly we forget.

          • Steglitz49

            “Multiple goals against German, Japan, France, Sweden, Canada etc then we can talk.” — “You can’t be serious?!” echoes down the electric halls of fame. — Come on, maan! Stop inhaling and instead share.

            — Alex Morgan scored one critical goal in 2010, right-footed admittedly. In the WC-11 final Alex scored 1 goal and assisted on the 2-1 goal. In the OG-12, Alex scored one goal in the SF, at old Trafford against Canada, with her head.

            Don’t set targets that probably not even Marta met at her peak. Blackstenius scored one against the US and one against Germany in OG-16.

            I agree that Alex Morgan is not just a goal scorer when the chips are down, she has vision and understanding of the game and is a well above average passer.

          • skybolt

            If you’re criteria for scoring goals is only in the semis and finals in the Olympics and WC, then Mia Hamm would not even register on the radar. Morgan has scored 3 goals in one match against Sweden. Twice she’s scored 2 goal against France, Japan and Canada.

          • Steglitz49

            Please read my other entries and get back. I see no reason to retype names all over the place.

          • skybolt

            All of them?! 🙂

          • Steglitz49

            Touché! I asked for that.

            The sooner you start, the sooner you’ll finish. Stay focussed and concentrate on the recent ones including some in the entry about Heath.

          • DNG

            Does the how matter or not? Ellis keeps saying that it does. Morgan is not really a technical player in my opinion. Does she have some occasional moments of good technique? Sure, but that isn’t the basis of the majority of her production. When her speed starts to leave her this will be obvious.

          • Steglitz49

            Please name some technical players! I have listed a few in my various entries. Please list your examples or at least disagree with mine.

          • DNG

            Of the players in the pool right now? Brian, Heath, Rapinoe, Colaprico, Sullivan, Sonnett, Sauerbrunn, Long, Horan, Klingenberg and Press are all players I consider to have above average technical ability.

          • Frozen Blue

            Really Sonnett who gave the ball away so many times in the first Swiss game, Sauerbrunn who can’t play make out of the back and is now been replaced by Long in the middle, Horan…see my comments above, inconsistent Rapinoe, and Klingenbergs poor defense play as of lately. Interesting list.

          • #1Fan

            I dont think there is a major disagreement here. I too think the US lack technical players. but they really dont play in a manner that either develops them or deploys them well. The US are all about pace, strength and heart. The gravitate to that becasue they produce it . If you put players who are used to playing a short passing combo game in to the US line up with Lloyd , Morgan etc…it wont work
            and the combo player, if new, is the one who looks bad becasue the other 2 have long storied careers and have done ti in teams BUILT TO SUIT THEM . To play a technical game that showcase that you need to build it around your TOP players playing that way. If Ellis wants a blood and guts CF , then Press is not the choice. I feel that “technical” is the fall back when direct is not working. Technical has to be THE style of play for it to work and direct the fall back

          • DNG

            I said above average. That doesn’t mean I think they are all standouts. I think Sonnett’s main issue is lack of experience. I didn’t think she played that poorly in her half other than the giveaway which is probably an unacceptable mistake. She made two similar mistakes underpressure playing for Portland this year but they seemed, to me at least, to be due to a lack of experience as oppose to poor technique. She is very comfortable on the ball and confident in her ability to dribble. I think most Portland fans would agree that she was an excellent CB for them this year and great on the ball. She definitely need to work on her ability to play out of pressure though.

          • #1Fan

            btw..to all ..this is a great discussion. respectful disagreement is really cool.

          • DNG

            Also, Sauerbunn got shifted over in the 3-5-2 because Long is much better at making that penetrating pass. That shouldn’t be a surprise given she’s been a midfielder all her life. Rapinoe’s inconsistency is due to her decision making not her technique which is as good as any US player’s. Klingenberg’s defense has nothing to do with my remark on her technique. I think she should be replaced by the way since she plays a position where athletic ability is very important.

          • Steglitz49

            Sauerbrunn and Long were put to the test in Brasilia and found wanting.

            High time to move on.

          • kernel_thai

            I notice u didnt name any forwards. The first step in upgrading to technical forwards is have some. This system uses two.

          • DNG

            I named Press

          • kernel_thai

            Right and I love Press and her style of play but u cant just have Press. Im hoping to see a lot of Press/Morgan paired while they try this system out. Bit ur talking about bringing in more technical forwards. Press is here…who else? I look at the best forwards in the league and Im not seeing technical.

          • Bruce

            I think that is an indictment of the current state youth level soccer. When results are given so much more weight over development, your strongest/fastest players settle in at forward at a young age and grow-up in systems that cater to their physical advantages. There is no focus or incentive to develop technical skills.

          • mockmook

            I think you could try any of the following technical players in a CF pairing with Press:

            Horan
            Heath
            Tymrak

            But, it is also a matter of degree — how technical is technical enough? All of these players also show some technical skills:

            Dunn
            Pugh
            Jordan

            But, as your question implied, I believe the better Forwards are more athletic than technical.

          • DNG

            Maybe if they went back to a 4-2-3-1/4-3-3 we can call Heath and Tymrak wide forwards or attacking midfielders. I don’t really see either as the answer in a 3-5-2. I’m like Heath wide in those formations a lot better than as a WB. I’m pretty stuck on Horan and Press right now for forwards in the 3-5-2 so maybe I need to watch some more college soccer. I think you can also play a combination of technical/athletic forwards. I think Press and Horan together would work or you could pair either up with Williams or Morgan. I don’t think I’d want to play Williams and Morgan together. What intrigues me about Horan is the possibility that her back to goal ability could possibly bring the other players around her into the match more.

            Maybe something like this could work. I want to see more of Ohai to see if she might fit in too. I have Sullivan in as my 6 but Long can play there too.

            ——————Horan——————
            Heath———–Press————-Pugh
            ———-Brian———-Sullivan——–

            or

            Pugh———–Press————–Dunn
            ———–Brian——–Heath———–
            —————–Sullivan—————–

            or

            Pugh———–Press————–Dunn
            ———–Brian——–Long———–
            —————–Sullivan—————–

            or

            Pugh———–Press————-Heath
            ———–Brian——–Long———–
            —————–Sullivan—————–

          • mockmook

            I’m not saying Heath or Tymrak will work if paired with Press, but it would be intriguing to see it in a 2 front — we don’t ever give our most technical players a shot at CF.

            For a 3 front, seems you should give some consideration to also trying some of the following (not necessarily great technical players) on the wings:

            Ohai
            L.Williams
            Groom
            O’Reilly 😉
            Leroux
            etc etc etc
            etc etc
            etc

            As to College:

            I think Jordan is (or soon will be) a better version of Horan.

            Several technical players who may soon be better in the central midfield than our current choices are also in the works:

            Lavelle
            C.Williams (PSU)
            Driesse (PSU)
            Racioppi
            Dougherty Howard (FLA)

            As with Tymrak or Heath, some of those players also make for intriguing players to try at CF.

            JE always makes room for putting more Forwards all over the field in other positions (because she wants the “best” players on the field).

            So, instead, why not try the best true technical/midfield players at other positions (especially CF)? Of course, JE is trying this with Long.

          • skybolt

            Look at how that’s worked out for a team of technical players like France with no heart when the chips are down.

          • DNG

            The French lack a top class CF and goal scorer. If they had one I think there would be a different #1 team in the world.

          • kernel_thai

            The French have the same problem the US has…it’s tough to develop fast & technical forwards because speed is allowed to influence the game. The French answer and most other countries is develop technical players instead of fast ones. Thomis is the perfect example of how even in a technical team like France, a player with speed gets thru with less technical ability.

          • Frozen Blue

            But isn’t it easier to teach technique than speed.

          • DNG

            The problem is that few kids have interest in learning good technique when they’re young if speed is enough to be effective. Once they get older it’s much more difficult to catch up to players who have been practicing good technique since they were 9.

          • Steglitz49

            Verily and forsooth. Seconded.

          • Steglitz49

            It is not speed as such but acceleration. Speed over 15 yds or 35-40 yds.

          • Steglitz49

            The French problem is no steel, no backbone, classic cream puffs.

          • #1Fan

            Welcome to WoSo Speed is disproportionately effective becasue the technical and tactical level is not there yet across the board. This si why I am not impressed as such with Pugh. I think she has GREAT WORLD CLASS potential , but in a US jersey all she is really being asked to do is be fast. In a U17 or U20 jersey she is being asked to do A LOT more and the results are mixed

          • Steglitz49

            They were not just mixed in the just completed U17 WC but abysmal for the US ladies — though to be fair, Mallory was not amongst that sorry excuse for a team.

          • #1Fan

            no , she was on the one that failed to even qualify

          • Steglitz49

            Vow!
            But she is going to Papua New Guinea, no?

          • #1Fan

            yes. her u17 team failed to qualify.

          • Steglitz49

            Thank you. Now I understand.

          • #1Fan

            btw..her u20 team last cycle did not get out of the group . so 0-2

          • Steglitz49

            Does this explain the US’s worst tournament ever?

          • #1Fan

            not really. I just find it funny that in the rest of the world, if good enough age is rarely mentioned. Here , we want to rave about Pugh , but the results dont bear fruit yet. When you bring that up, her age is then the excuse. In the US game, faster players are going to do well. but when i hear she is the best young plaeyr int he world etc, i saw Japanese 16yr olds doing things i have NEVER seen Pugh do.

          • Steglitz49

            The Japanese being short and weighing a lot less have no choice but have superb technique, vision and acceleration. Without technique and vision, the Nadeshiko would be lost.

          • #1Fan

            the point is I dont hear anyone touting them as being among the best players in the world. Playing a team game de- emphasizes individuals. That does not play well in the US star system

          • Steglitz49

            Just go through the Golden Generation and you will quiver. The Madison Ave PR machine had to make the most of the WC-11 final, so the Nadeshiko were buried. Where do you want to start?

            Sawa and Miyama are two obvious, Then you have Sakiguchi, Naho and Maruyama, Ando and Ohno and Nagasato. In the defense the line was Sameshima, Kumagai, Iwashimizu and Kinga. Iwabuchi came on as a replacement. The goalie, Kaihiori, was the weak link but in that final she played above herself.

            The Golden Generation was some bunch — and I have no doubt forgotten a couple. They would not have dominated WoSo for 5 years if they had not been.

          • skybolt

            The thing about Pugh is that she has to develop her shot making ability. Pretty soon defenders will just close her passing lanes and force her to shoot from the edge of the box like Sweden did.

          • kernel_thai

            Exactly. Im very worried about Pugh. If she plays in the NWSL she has very little reason to advance her game. On the men’s side improvement is about earning bigger contracts. On the USWNT if Pugh turned pro tomorrow she’d earn the max. If she got twice as good she’d still earn the same thing.

          • Steglitz49

            Pugh must go to college. Period.

          • #1Fan

            They are no super technical. Japan area better example. Im with DNG. My comments relate to the USSF stated objectives. No more no less.

          • DNG

            Yeah that’s something that people seem to not really realize and I’m not sure why. France is not the technique driven team many seem to think it is. They are much closer to the balance I wish the US team had. Shame they don’t have a consistent goal scorer.

          • DNG

            They are similar players skill wise. I’m not comparing their careers as that is really just a story of experience not where they are now. I’m not saying that Williams is definitely a better player than Morgan overall but she definitely was in the NWSL this year. Morgan is good at running through channels and getting in behind. She is also good at linking up if she can release the ball right away. The reason she has accumulated many of her assists isn’t due to extraordinary vision but her ability to beat defenders to the end line in transition with speed and cut the ball back. Excellent vision for me, is being able to see the vertical passes up the field that break lines. Not saying Press has excellent vision but I trust her more to create from the hole than I would Morgan.

            My problem with Morgan is that the vast majority of her production, goals or assists, all come in transition. Morgan scored against Sweden following a broken play and a long ball. That’s not really what your looking for when you are looking for players who can break down defenses since that play is not really repeatable.

            It’s really not about what Morgan did in 2011, it’s about what she can provide now and how she compares to her teammates and potential new players. The sooner the team realizes that, the sooner it can get some real competition at the position and be better for it.

          • skybolt

            If NWSL dictated how players would fair on the national stage, A-Rod would still be starting for the USWNT, averaging 1 goal per 4 matches. Apples and oranges.

          • DNG

            I don’t think it’s as different as you do. Sure the games against the top teams are faster but most international matches are inferior to NWSL matches. I don’t agree with the apples to oranges fallacy. It’s still the same game and ability, far more often than not, translates between the USWNT and league play. It quite honestly sounds like an excuse for Morgan at the moment.

          • skybolt

            So I guess you would’ve stuck with A-Rod at forward since she was tearing it up in the WPS and NWSL. If Morgan is playing on an inferior team (Orlando) and has basically no help, how is she supposed to score if the midfield can’t get her the ball? She still averaged 1 goal per 90 minutes with the NT this year and was voted best player in the She Believes Cup.

          • DNG

            Where did I say that? What I said was that if Ellis is serious about moving team in a more technical direction, she should consider using more technically capable forwards as well. Press fits better with Ellis’ stated direction of the team.

          • skybolt

            Let’s see what happens. This is the time to experiment 3 years from the next WC.

          • #1Fan

            Yes it is, but we are not doint that. We are saying , unless you do well in camp, I wont give you a chance to redeem yourself in game. Bt definition that favors the incumbents

          • skybolt

            I completely agree with that. The whole camp thing is a big mystery.

          • #1Fan

            You capture the way I feel perfectly. Enough with the hypocrisy. it should be added, that up till now Morgans physical tools were too much for most NTs to handle. As tactics and technique advance globally, the question is – can they still? I dont think they can. I feel that Ellis sees Williams as a potential younger faster hungrier Morgan, but given the stated objectives of being more technical, I find it surprising that this is her direction.

            “It’s continuing to hammer home that between the ages of 9 and 13, it’s technique, technique, technique. You can’t just rely on push and run. A player that’s got to really understand having more technical sophistication. Having said that, I think the players BJ (Snow) selected were some of the best I’d seen in the youth environment.”

            Above is an Ellis quote.

          • kernel_thai

            Where is that Ellis quote from? I was trying to find it again for someone and couldnt TIA

          • #1Fan

            it was in an ESPN W article. I will share this with you. My daughter who is a current YNT player sent it to me . She found it very funny and hypocritical given the player that get selected at youth and full level. That is from a kid in the trenches who is a forward. She has scored multiple International goals .

          • kernel_thai

            Graham Hays?

          • #1Fan

            yes thats the fella

          • Steglitz49

            If you are going to make comparisons to current male players, for Alex Morgan I offer you either Zlatan or Tomas Müller but I contend that Zlatan is the better analogy.

          • Frozen Blue

            I can see Muller.

          • Steglitz49

            Zlatan is more fun and more glamorous.

          • Frozen Blue

            True but I also think he is lazier than Morgan.

          • Steglitz49

            No doubt. He certainly has a faster mouth and some of his phrases has entered the language, mainly his Swedish but also the English. Morgan is not known for her quips.

          • #1Fan

            Are you joking ? Don’t let his aura fool you. No one is that good being lazy. he works his tail off at being effective at what he does. he is not going to run around . he is going to make killer runs when need and be in the right place. he can also score wonder goals. You just cant compare Morgan to him. Not even close.

          • Steglitz49

            Zlatan is the whole package.

            The problem is that King Eric is/was too far off the scale to compare to Alex.

          • CED

            Your delusion is on display again.

          • Steglitz49

            Methinks you are a decoy for HOFCToDi.

          • CED

            You’re delusion is noted again. have you ever read my post on Press? If you did you would know how stupid your statement is.

          • HOFCToDi

            On the permanent ignore list, while you bounce on and off depending on your level of stupidity.

          • Steglitz49

            I don’t use the ignore setting. Do you know what happens if you block someone? Does the whole of the rest of the string that is triggered vanish or do you see the comments and replies of those you have not blocked?

          • #1Fan

            Dude..stop. She is a million miles from that. She is not dominant in the air, has nowhere near that level of technique. Jamie Vardy a better analogy.

          • Steglitz49

            Alex’s most famous goal is a header. Her second most famous is a toss-up between a right footed shot at 90+4′ or a left-footed one in a WC-final. She has the Full Monty.

            Like Zlatan she makes news whether on the pitch or off and she dominates not only on the pitch but sitting on the pine.

          • #1Fan

            we are talking about the game. In that regard one headed goal does not make a player dominant in the air. he is. the guy is 6ft 5 .

          • Steglitz49

            I am wary about comparing with men for obvious reasons.

            Of the younger crop of players, Stina Blackstenius plays a game similar to Alex’s. Maybe Lorena Navarro will too as she grows into herself.

          • CED

            Morgan games is in no way like Mueller, he’s a false 9 sometimes or pseudo FW playing off the #9 or even CAM

          • Steglitz49

            Maybe Fernando Torres suits you better. I prefer my Zlatan analogy.

          • CED

            Zlatan is when of the most overrate players ever. Played in a 4th rate league in Ligue 1 and was non factor and won nothing in C-league games vs top teams.

          • Steglitz49

            Zlatan is the only sportsman in Sweden that has gotten close to rivalling Stenmark in popularity. Foppa too is popular but not on the same level.

            Among women sportspersons of his generation it is only Charlotte Kalla and Sarah Sjöström who can give Zlatan a run for his money. Maybe Helena Ekholm when she was at her best got close too.

          • Frozen Blue

            From what I have seen of Horan, I do not see this “technical” ability. Her touch on the ball is bad, she can’t seem to settle the ball in one touch (something I saw in Sullivan) and she looks out of control most of the time, or is falling down from the slightest touch. I know she is not playing as a forward but I can’t see this improving just by moving her further up the pitch.

          • skybolt

            Klingenberg hasn’t looked that good either this year. Sonnet may be on the outs with Ellis after that awful first half against Switzerland.Hopefully she gets another chance.

          • CED

            Sonnet is already allocated for 2017..

          • DNG

            The decision making process needs to be much faster and sure in central midfield and that’s where I think Horan struggles. She’s fine when she’s linking up the field with one or two touches. She’s also good at working and moving around in the box. When she’s further forward she can hold off defenders to by time without worrying about a loss in possession leading to a very dangerous counter like it would for a CM. CMs are a different types of players and Horan is not a CM.

          • kernel_thai

            Horan is good in tight spaces, good using her body, good back to goal. She may be best on the team in those areas among the attackers.

          • Frozen Blue

            I’m sorry I just haven’t seen this Horan then, was at the game Sunday and my husband commented that Horan is a “hot mess” she looked so out of control.

          • kernel_thai

            Horan does try and do things she cant do and it gets her in trouble

          • kernel_thai

            Sometimes it’s give and take tho. With Horan u get a technical player at the expense of speed. That may work centrally but not at forward. The marker here for me is obviously goals scored in the league. Where r the technical players scoring goals u want to breing in?

          • DNG

            Why can’t it work at forward? Why does your forward need to be fast? I don’t really think she’s that slow by the way, just not very quick. That doesn’t seem to inhibit her ability in the box as she just uses her strength to gain an advantage.

          • kernel_thai

            So ur saying take away Press’ speed and she is just as effective at forward? I dont agree. The problem is not forcing fast players to be technical in development by skewing the rules to negate their speed.

          • Steglitz49

            Christen’s problem is not lack of technical ability nor speed and acceleration. Her problem is wilting under pressure. Not enough clutch.

          • DNG

            That’s not what I’m saying at all. Although I think Press would be more effective if you took away her speed than lets say Williams. I’m saying that speed is not the only important characteristic of a successful goal scorer and forward. If a player can do enough of the other things and are surrounded by other players who are fast and can counter it is an acceptable trade off.

          • kernel_thai

            I agree that Press has the technical ability to keep playing after her speed goes but at a reduced level. I still think speed is a key component to attack and the answer is make fast players more technical not replace them with slower but technical players.

          • DNG

            How about I phrase my opinion on Horan this way. I don’t think her speed is detrimental to the US’s ability to play the way they want. I don’t think Horan will be able to press back lines as well as Williams or a Williams type player but I think she can be good enough while providing some other desirable qualities of a CF. She’s not very quick but she’s at the very least comparable to Lloyd and Ellis keeps trotting her out for 90 minutes. Does that mean that Horan will definitely succeed? No. I just want to see it tried.

          • skybolt

            But again, Horan is not Lloyd. It’s like 3 years ago when everyone was convinced that Hagen would be the next Wambach. Easier said than done.

          • DNG

            In many ways I think Horan is better than Lloyd. Maybe not goal production right now but she’s never really been given the same opportunities to play forward since she’s come back from France. Again I’m not guaranteeing success for her, I’d just like to see her get more of an opportunity when her instructions are to stay in the box and be the furthest player forward.

          • skybolt

            Here’s the thing. I’m not guaranteeing that Lloyd will be any good come the next WC. Let’s not forget how quickly Wambach and Prinz fell flat after being productive in previous years. I just think that players like Lloyd, Wambach and Morgan made their mark from the very start, which made future projections easier. I definitely think that Horan deserves to be given more time to develop with the NT, but IMO she’s not better than Lloyd at this time. You mean to tell me that if you had to bet your house on one winner take all match vs. Germany, you’d pick Horan over Lloyd?!

          • DNG

            Right now there isn’t any starting XI I’d write Lloyd’s name on given the US’s other options. She’d be one of the first names from the “preferred” Olympic XI that I would removed. For starters, Press is a better option for Lloyd’s position.

          • #1Fan

            Not even a question. The reason she plays IS so she can create moments vs weaker teams so the case to remove her is compromised further. If another player started and was productive ……

          • skybolt

            If we’re projecting to the 2019 WC, then I agree that a 30 year old Press is probably a better option than a 37 year old Lloyd. Most players seem to have a huge drop off at the age of 35. Heck, I’ll be probably be saying the same for Morgan after the 2020 Olympics.

          • DNG

            Athleticism really starts to leave most players earlier than 35. I was just talking about right now though, and I think Press is a better right now than Lloyd. Lloyd’s goal scoring, most of it recent against not great competition, has masked a lot of her unsatisfactory play in my opinion. It was better Sunday but still not great outside of a world class strike and some great passes. I thought she had her share of unnecessary turnovers too but I need to watch the game again than then report to mockmook.

          • #1Fan

            Lloyd is allowed to be the designated scorer. She vultures goals and then people use those as a reason to keep her. I must add her goal was great. but i score dingers as well if i shoot ALL DAY

          • Steglitz49

            Press is not an option in 2019 unless she radically changes her character, which is not likely.

          • Frozen Blue

            Why do you say that?

          • #1Fan

            Because Steg does not rate her.

          • skybolt

            From an article I read after the WC, here’s what Morgan told Press after the Sweden match. The last sentence tells me that Morgan sees Press as a valuable player with this team moving forward:

            “It happens to the best of us.” And I think for us that gave us a quick smile or giggle for a second. It honestly could have happened to anyone.

            I feel like the effort was there when we played against Sweden. The passion and the heart was there. We were just extremely unlucky that day, especially in the penalties. But we’ll bounce back from it. It’s something so small in perspective given the career we’re both going to have with the national team.

          • Steglitz49

            Has Alex Morgan ever had an unkind word about another player?

            I know that Alex got pissed off with the refs during 2013 and 2014 for not calling blatant fouls and most people were on Alex’s side in those complaints.

          • HOFCToDi

            4 years (2013, 2014, 2015, 2016)
            78 caps
            2 head coaches

            Christen Press has only accrued one assist versus FIFA Top Ten Ranked opponents. So much for that supposed “technical ability”.

          • HOFCToDi

            4 years (2013, 2014, 2015, 2016)
            78 caps
            2 head coaches

            Christen Press can’t hit the broad side of a barn. So much for that supposed “technical ability”.

            2016 Rio Olympics
            Shots Attempted/Shots on Goal
            Press – 6/1

            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
            Shots Attempted/Shots on Goal
            Press – 7/2

          • HOFCToDi

            One player checked off the wish list:

            equalizersoccer.com/2016/09/01/heather-oreilly-retires-uswnt-international-stays-fckc-nwsl/#comment-2871761445

            Yet another that needs a look:

            equalizersoccer.com/2016/09/01/heather-oreilly-retires-uswnt-international-stays-fckc-nwsl/#comment-2871649482

          • CED

            You’re delusion and hate is noted again. Another Hoftecedi disciple

          • Steglitz49

            Your language is that of HOFCToDi

          • HOFCToDi

            Why bother?

            Certified
            Extraordinary
            Dumbass

          • Steglitz49

            Witty.

          • HOFCToDi

            Christen Press can’t hit the broad side of a barn. So much for that supposed “technical ability”. To summarize the four matches prior to the 2016 Rio Olympics and the two matches at the 2016 Rio Olympics:

            Christen Press
            Shot Attempts 16, Shots on Goal 3

            Christen Press
            2016 Rio Olympics
            12 Aug 2016
            USA 1 SWE 1
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 2, Shots on Goal 0
            Penalty Kicks Attempted 1, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

            rio2016.com/en/football-womens-quarterfinal-fb-3

            Christen Press
            2016 Rio Olympics
            09 Aug 2016
            USA 2 COL 2
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 4, Shots on Goal 1

            rio2016.com/en/football-womens-first-round-group-g-fb-5

            Christen Press
            International Women’s Friendly
            22 Jul 2016
            USA 4 CRC 0
            Goals 1, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 4, Shots on Goal 1

            foxsports.com/soccer/boxscore?id=27321

            Christen Press
            International Women’s Friendly
            9 Jul 2016
            USA 1 RSA 0
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 2, Shots on Goal 0

            foxsports.com/soccer/boxscore?id=26928

            Christen Press
            International Women’s Friendly
            5 Jun 2016
            USA 2 JPN 0
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 2, Shots on Goal 1

            foxsports.com/soccer/boxscore?id=26862

            Christen Press
            International Women’s Friendly
            2 Jun 2016
            USA 3 JPN 3
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 2, Shots on Goal 0

            foxsports.com/soccer/boxscore?id=26754

          • HOFCToDi

            Do you realize that Sydney Leroux has as many assists credited versus FIFA Top Ten Ranked opponents as Christen Press?

            youtube.com/watch?v=6YfouCE8-54

            Spoon feeding, I’ll tell ya!

            ussoccer.com/womens-national-team/tournaments/2015-fifa-womens-world-cup/150608-wntvaus#tab-1

          • Steglitz49

            In that case, why was Christen dropped?

          • HOFCToDi

            Remember:

            Tournaments don’t matter.

            en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_Women%27s_World_Rankings#Importance_of_the_match

            Neither do matches versus Top 10 FIFA Ranked opponents.

            en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_Women%27s_World_Rankings#Importance_of_the_match
            [dripping sarcasm]

          • HOFCToDi

            Forget about Christen Press.

            Rose Lavelle

            uwbadgers.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=4197&path=wsoc

            Morgan Andrews

            usctrojans.com/sports/w-soccer/mtt/morgan_andrews_977635.html

            Alexis Shaffer

            virginiasports.com/sports/w-soccer/mtt/alexis_shaffer_847463.html

            Savannah Jordan

            floridagators.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=9740&path=soccer

            Tyler Lussi

            goprincetontigers.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=10389

            Arielle Ship

            calbears.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=8270

            McKenzie Meehan

            bceagles.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=7895&path=wsoc

            Rachel Hill

            uconnhuskies.com/sports/w-soccer/mtt/rachel_hill_852221.html

          • Steglitz49

            Rachela and Rose are mainstream, while Alexis and Arielle are fair enough but why do American parents, at least American parents of a certain generation, give their kids such unfeminine names and where does this habit of giving girls as well as boys surnames as first names, like McKenzie and Morgan?

            McKenzie makes me think of “McKenzie, Brackman” so it could be that her parents were hooked on LA Law.

          • Steglitz49

            I suppose that Alex Morgan may still be playing in 2020. Why not. It is in Japan so might as well go to that exotic country.

          • #1Fan

            there are no such matches in the immediate future. let Horan have a shot and maybe we would when the next one comes around.

          • Frozen Blue

            I agree she made a name for herself as a forward, give her a couple of camps and games as forward and let’s see. My problem with her currently is I feel like she gets a pass on her less than stellar play because she went to Europe instead of playing college (which I hear several times every game she plays). I don’t think she would be getting all this time with how she is currently playing if she had the same journey as everyone else in the NWSL.

          • #1Fan

            well she better tear it up in Camp at fwd then …Lol. God forbid we actually experiment.

          • skybolt

            LOL…………..I bet Ohai was diving at the ball during scrimmage after not making the original 18 for the first match.

          • #1Fan

            yep

          • Frozen Blue

            I am saying to give her a chance at camp and in games, I want to see her there and be able to properly evaluate her as a forward.

          • #1Fan

            i know you are..Im just being facetious. there is no way she gets that chance IF current practices are followed.

          • DNG

            She scored 5 time for the Thorns playing as a CM/CAM. She didn’t suddenly forget how to score goals after coming back. Whether or not she can succeed with the NT is something they should find out by playing her as a forward.

          • #1Fan

            you have a fundamentally different attitude to evolving this team that the current incumbents do .

          • DNG

            I realize that but I think it was you who referred to EQ as a form of therapy. Typing these things out gives me a place to vent and share ideas. I like the up hill battles anyway.

          • #1Fan

            Im with you 100 pct

          • Frozen Blue

            So has Sam Mewis yet this last Swiss game was one of the few times she has gotten significant minutes and Sam didn’t make the Olympic roster except as an alternate.

          • Frozen Blue

            And arguably Sam has to carry a heavier load on her team as she is not surrounded by the talent Horan has at Portland.

          • DNG

            Sam Mewis is not a forward though she’s an attacking midfielder. The two play don’t play very similarly at all. You aren’t arguing that Mewis be tried at CF are you?

          • Frozen Blue

            I am arguing that without Horans “special” past I am not sure she would be given all this playing time with the national team. Both Mewis and Horan play in the center of midfield for club teams, bother have similar stats (although Mewis also has 2 assists) yet Horan made the Olympic team and gets more playing time.

          • DNG

            I don’t think Horan received more playing time than Mewis in these two friendlies. The Olympics are kind of a moot point now and not really relevant for the future unless Ellis is lying.

          • Frozen Blue

            I agree in the last two games they have had equal playing time but leading up to the Olympics Horan had significant time as compared to Mewis and I argue this is due to her reputation not her actual play.

          • DNG

            Perhaps but that’s all in the past now. I don’t really think there is a lot separating them as players though so I don’t think it’s that big of a deal. Horan probably is still a better fit stylistically and the Thorns play much more of a possession oriented offense than the WNY Flash. That could have something to do with it too.

          • Frozen Blue

            I get what you are saying and I don’t want to keep going in circles about this but I just want to see proof that Horan is a Pulisic and not an Adu.

          • DNG

            That proof is unlikely to come since Ellis doesn’t seem to want to try her there. While I don’t think Horan has been good enough at CM I think she’s been awful either. I saw plenty of good ideas in the first half of the SUI match. She just couldn’t on the same page with Dunn and Lloyd so the execution was way off. I thought a good save by the SUI keeper kept her off the score sheet.

          • Steglitz49

            WNY won the Championship.

          • Steglitz49

            Such a resounding failure will never be moot. It set a new standard for the USWNT.

          • Steglitz49

            Maybe Sam is glad not to be tainted with that tar-brush of failure.

          • Steglitz49

            This OG the alternates were given medals too. That was new. In London they missed out.

          • Calci0

            I do wonder why Hagen hasn’t progressed like many thought. She was so impressive in Germany. But the competition there isn’t per say on par with the NWSL.

          • CED

            The thing about your Lloyd to Horan comparison is that Lloyd was moved out MF b/c she was being used like a traffic cone b/c she is slow, poor touch, etc…Every game Lloyd is shown how poor she is when she tries to press occasionally and commits multiple pure hacking fouls or just grabs a defender or MF shirt as she is easily beat.

          • DNG

            Maybe my point was unclear but I am not advocating that Lloyd has a place in the team any longer. I agree with almost all your points about Lloyd. The reason I want to move Horan to forward is because I think it will suit her skill set better than midfield does.

          • Steglitz49

            Press is not a clutch player. Head coaches tend to value sang froid under fire.

          • CED

            It all depends on what the system actually becomes. Ellis has not really defined one IMO. Williams and Morgan are less technical but they can potentially work well with a front line with a highly technical forward. Great example is Barca, Suarez is a true old school #9, makes all the runs off the ball in the channels and is box predator and he works well with 2 much more technical players in Messi and Neymar. Suarez is not poor technically but he’s no comparison to the other 2 and he is much better centrally than either. Morgan or Williams can play the Suarez role surrounded by a Pugh, Dunn, Press who are more technical.

          • DNG

            You’re right about the system being important for deciding which type of forwards to use. I’m not really with the Suarez comparison for Morgan and Williams though. While he can’t be compared to Messi, Neymar, Iniesta, or Busquets I think Suarez’s technique is still very good. I think Suarez is one of the best all around forwards in the Men’s game actually along with Benz. The US really has no players comparable to Suarez or Benz.

          • Steglitz49

            As far as I know neither Alex nor Lynn do not bite — at least not in a match on the pitch.

          • Steglitz49

            I am not persuaded that male analogies work with female soccer. The congruence of the transference is not there, at least not yet.

          • CED

            Williams IMO will be vying for a spot and could push Arod and Leroux out by 2018. Both were last on the forward depth chart before maternity leave.

          • Steglitz49

            ARod and Syd will only play what it takes to keep their benefits.

            I can’t see ARod being heartbroken by retiring. She has gotten everything out of her soccer that she could hope for and more in abundance.

            Syd make more of an effort but likewise, what’s the bait for her?

          • CED

            They keep their benefits just by being allocated, which they will be in 2017. Labor laws prevent people from losing their jobs via maternity leave. There is no minimum playing requirement to keep benefits, which means a contract once the leave is over.

          • Steglitz49

            Congratulations to ARod for gaming the system to perfection. Syd seems to be well into it too.

            How can you have a job playing for the NT. It is utter nonsense. It is an honor to be selected for an NT. No sweat why WoSo is stuck in chancery.

          • guest

            somebody should be pushing them in early 2017 instead of wasting a year of allocation and experience.

          • kernel_thai

            They r gonna get contracts barring something unexpected in a new CBA. Whether Ellis wants them or tries to nudge them out is the big question.

          • Yes, and Jill specially said after this game that she liked the way Press and Williams together pressed the backline, and the pace they provided, so that is probably an accurate assessment on your part re: Horan.

          • DNG

            Where this fails with me though is when Ellis continues to play Lloyd up top. She’s at the very least just, as slow.

      • Paul Klee

        That touch pass to O’Hara on the Press goal was sublime.

    • Paul Klee

      Well I I’m extremely certain she’ll get another call, as Ellis singled her, Short and Sullivan out as being impressive.

      • guest

        How convenient of her, since those are most of the players she picked out of camp as worthy of game minutes. She’s a genius!.

      • CED

        Williams should be in Nov camp and if shows well could be allocated in 2017. Sullivan should be back too, unless she declines b/c that will be right in college playoffs.

        • guest

          i wonder what veteran uswnt players will be dropped to make room for new player contracts? so far only solo and o’reilly. hopefully, rampone will make it official soon instead of milking another year.

          • kernel_thai

            Hinkle and Engen didnt have their contracts picked up.

          • CED

            There were already 4 players allocated last year that were dropped for 2017…Solo, Engen, Oreilly(retired) and Hinkle. There are 4 spots open if they keep the same numbers of allocation as 2016. No more will be dropped. Arod and Leroux were at the bottom of the pecking order of forwards even before leave. They will have 2017 to earn 2018 allocation. Personally I could see Arod just retiring internationally after 2017. Leroux will try to stick it out longer.

  • Bruce

    Finally got to watch the replay. That was a complete waste of time. #FreeColaprico

    • kernel_thai

      Saw this morning Colaprico heading to Australia so I cant believe she come all the way back in two weeks

      • Bruce

        Not sure what the undisputed best #6 in the NWSL needs to do to sniff a cap. Maybe she’ll get time at CAM in Australia? Grow six inches?

        • Well, I would imagine Sullivan showed a lot better in practice than Colaprico? I know, here we go, back to the practice debate. But that can be the only reason I can think of. And with how well Sullivan showed in both games, there may have went Dani’s chances at getting a cap..

          • Steglitz49

            Ms Colaprico has been injured. Injuries tend to count with head coaches — unless they occur after a player is well established.

          • Bruce

            Source? I didn’t see that anywhere.

          • Steglitz49

            Maybe I mixed her up with one of the other cusp players, in which case I beg her pardon.

          • HOFCToDi

            U-23 WNT Set to Travel to Croatia for Istria Cup

            ussoccer.com/stories/2016/02/16/20/10/160216-u23wnt-will-travel-to-croatia-for-istria-cup

            UPDATE: Chicago Red Stars midfielder and the 2015 NWSL Rookie of the Year Danielle Colaprico was originally named to the roster, but replaced due to injury by Western New York Flash draftee Michaela Hahn.

          • Steglitz49

            Thank you. A friend in need is a friend in deed!

            (The Pressgang please note that the statement that my enemy’s enemy is my friend does not always apply except in US foreign policy.)

          • HOFCToDi

            The “Press Gang Troll Brigade” have failed miserably at the laughable propaganda:

            Christen Press
            2016 Summer Olympics
            Goals 0, Assists 0

            Christen Press
            2016 SheBelieves Cup
            Goals 0, Assists 0

            Warning:
            The Surgeon General has determined that drinking Christen Press snake oil is dangerous to your health.

          • Bruce

            News article from Feb 16th

          • Steglitz49

            Thank you. It seems it went over his head.

          • Steglitz49

            Do you know what Michaela Han does these days? Is she of teutonic extraction?

          • Bruce

            So a few days in practice and a good show against a team that would be beat by a good number of college teams is enough to marginalize permanently a player who consistently shines against some of the best club teams in the world?

            I’m with #1Fan on this all the way. The entire camp and friendly cycle seems to be a lesson in wasted opportunities.

          • Steglitz49

            The USWNT management can’t help that there probably are only half a dozen NTs that can give the USWNT a run for its money.

            Whether the SheBelievesCup is the best format for achieving better sparring is one question. Also, given how much hassle certain NTs, like Sweden and Norway have given the USWNT over the years, it could be argued that France is not a better test but one has to assume that Sweden, Norway and Denmark will soldier on with the Algarve Cup.

        • kernel_thai

          There is something to that…if she can do well at CAM Ellis will bring her in to convert her to a #6

      • Steglitz49

        Is this a paid holiday in the sun or a true desire to play soccer abroad?

        Given Ms Colaprico’s stature either Japan or South-Korea should suit her like a glove while Norway and Sweden might be beyond her.

  • Frozen Blue

    When does the next camp start?

    • Steglitz49

      I don’t know but this becomes the 900th comment so I just had to type.

  • Steglitz49

    5 more comments and we hit the 900 makr. Let’s search for and find them with bloodhound and candle.