Bush: Examining Jill Ellis’s 11 fresh USWNT call-ups

Chelsey Bush October 8, 2016 126
Casey Short, right, battles with Ali Krieger. The pair could soon be battling for outside back positions for Jill Ellis. (photo copyright EriMacPhoto for The Equalizer)

Casey Short, right, battles with Ali Krieger. The pair could soon be battling for outside back positions for Jill Ellis. (photo copyright EriMacPhoto for The Equalizer)

Following up on her comments since Rio regarding her future plans for the national team, Jill Ellis called up a 24-person roster for the team’s upcoming fixtures against Switzerland. Included in this group were 11 players with the potential for their first senior cap, the largest number of new faces Ellis has called up at once in her two years at the helm. Eight of the 11 play in the NWSL, while the other three are still in college. All but one have seen extensive time with the youth National Teams. Here’s a look at the newcomers.

Stanford goalkeeper Jane Campbell was called to senior camp at only 17 in 2013 under Tom Sermanni, but she hasn’t returned since. Long since mentioned in the conversations as the heir to the US goalkeeping throne, Campbell is an excellent shot stopper with fantastic distribution who has spent time with the U-17s, U-20s and U-23s. A senior, Campbell was named to the 2016 Hermann Trophy watchlist.

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Defender Abby Dahlkemper, a member of UCLA’s 2013 championship team, is the lone new centerback. She has significant experience with the youth national teams from the U-17s up. Dahlkemper brings a steadiness to the Flash backline despite her youth and has been a defensive stalwart for this year’s championship run.

Arin Gilliland is one half of one of the best outside back pairings in the NWSL. She has ruled the right flank for the Chicago Red Stars for two years, making a solid case for Rookie of the Year in 2015. Gilliland has strong defensive positioning and the pace to make outstanding recovery runs when she’s on the attack. She was a Hermann Trophy finalist and set a record with eight game-winning goals at Kentucky. Gilliland has been in the youth national team system since the U-15s.

The left half of Chicago’s fullbacks, Casey Short, is familiar to Ellis, having played under her at the U-20 level. After a series of season-ending injuries and a spell overseas, Short finally made her NWSL debut this year and never looked back. Short loves to push high and get into the attack, scoring two goals for Chicago this year.

Merritt Mathias only made the conversion to right back halfway through this season, helping to ease Seattle’s defensive woes, but it was enough to earn her a national team look. A forward by trade, her nose for the attack is something Ellis highly prizes in her fullbacks. After transferring from North Carolina, Mathias graduated from Texas A&M, where she was an All-Big 12 player, and also spent time with the U-17 and U-23 squads.

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Danielle Colaprico may be the name most are familiar with, as she has long topped the list of desired call-ups. Along with injured teammate Vanessa DiBernardo, Colaprico runs Chicago’s midfield and is quite possibly the best defensive midfielder in the NWSL. She won Rookie of the Year in 2015. The midfielder is uncompromising and has excellent distribution. After spending time with the U-23s last year, Colaprico was called to the senior national team on the Victory Tour but did not see any playing time due to injury.

Andi Sullivan is back on this year’s Hermann Trophy watchlist, alongside Stanford teammate Campbell, after being named a semifinalist last year as a sophomore. An attacking midfielder, Sullivan is equally accomplished at setting up plays for teammates and racking up assists as she is scoring goals herself. She has been with the youth national teams since the U-15 level, captaining the U-20s at the 2014 Women’s World Cup.

Former Texas Aggie Shea Groom was thrust into the role of lone striker this year after her Kansas City teammates Amy Rodriguez and Sydney Leroux took the season off due to pregnancy. After a few initial growing pains, Groom settled into the role, racking up seven goals for the year while carrying Kansas City’s attack on her shoulders. A player who is always willing to sacrifice herself for the goal, Groom brings a scrappiness that the National Team lacks. She played with Colaprico on the U-23s.

After a strong rookie season in 2014 as Houston’s first ever draft pick, Kealia Ohai played a quieter role in 2015, although she still led the Dash in assists. At first, it appeared 2016 would be more of the same, but halfway through the season, Ohai was moved to a wider role and proceeded to go on a streak that nearly netted her the Golden Boot award, scoring 11 goals in 10 games. Ohai is no stranger to championship teams, having won both the NCAA championship (at UNC alongside Crystal Dunn) and the U-20 Women’s World Cup in 2012. Fast and comfortable with the ball at her feet, Ohai is the kind of forward Ellis loves to place on the wings.

Ashley Hatch is a pure goal scorer, currently leading this season of women’s college soccer with 15 for Brigham Young University, including a hat trick (her second in her college career) against defending champion Penn State. Poised to be a breakout collegiate star in 2015 before missing eight games due to injury, Hatch has the perfect combination of athleticism and technical ability.

Lynn Williams is easily the least surprising name on this list. Winning both the Golden Boot and MVP awards this year, Williams appears to have erased the inconsistencies of her rookie seasonand is poised to lead her team to an NWSL championship. She is quick and has a nose for goal whether on top of the goalkeeper or from distance. A Pepperdine product, she led the team in both goals and assists her senior year and was named a Hermann Trophy finalist.

  • Steglitz49

    Jane Campbell is 5’9″. Does not pass the height test. Minimum required is 5’11” and preferably at least 6’1″. Why? Because the goal is the same size for the ladies as for the men. If China can find a 6’2″ goalie, it should be a doodle for the US.

    • Guest-Bob

      The problem is it seems most tall American women dedicate their time to basketball/volleyball, rather than soccer.

      And skill>a few inches.

      • Steglitz49

        315m people live in the US. Soccer is the world’s sport. It seems like failure on the part of USSoccer not being able to get quality tall girls to play goalie.

      • Arcie Tillydee

        Beanpole keepers are just the StegTroll’s latest bizarre obsession. Ignore him…

        • Chak Khan

          LOL!

          • Steglitz49

            As I strated so I’ll finish: the soccer goal is the same size for the ladies as for the men. Let’s name some male keepers:

            — Neuer 6’4″, Buffon, Hellström and Rio-Kalle 6’3″, Yashin and Banks 6’1″, Tilkowski 5’11”

            I guess there are some male goalies 5’9″ and shorter but not too many of them and they are probably famous for just that: being short.

          • Som Termanni

            Some data from the 2014 men’s World Cup: http://visual.ly/age-height-and-weight-players-2014-fifa-world-cup?view=true

            5’9″ = 175cm. No keepers in the 2014 WC were that short.

            The closest to 175cm, and shortest keeper in the tournament by 2cm, was USA’s Nick Rimando (176cm). Rimando holds MLS’s records for keeper appearances and clean sheets, five MLS all-star selections, and the 2009 MLS Cup MVP award, but played no minutes at the 2014 WC.

            Only three keepers on ’14 WC rosters (Rimando, Cameroon backup Loïc Feudjou, and Costa Rica non-playing backup Patrick Pemberton) were under 180cm in height.

          • Som Termanni

            For women, the 2012 Olympics data: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Y4xQqDuOVbn4mkEFUhW_xE5bgAy51raR1vlNZeXyl3Y/edit#gid=0

            Of the 260 women’s soccer players, only 32 (12%) were 175cm or taller. Of those 32, only 3 were keepers who meet Steg’s height standards:

            Erina Yamane, 187cm/6’1″ (JPN; alternate, did not play)
            Thais Ribeiro Picart, 181cm/5’11” (BRA; did not play)
            Karen Bardsley, 181cm/5’11” (GB)

          • HOFCToDi

            SheBelieves Cup
            03 Mar 2016
            USA 1 ENG 0

            International Women’s Friendly
            13 Feb 2015
            USA 1 ENG 0

            So much for Bardsley’s supposed height advantage. Proving once again Steglitz49 is a blithering idiot.

          • Som Termanni

            Dunn’s #SheBelieves Cup goal on Bardsley: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lF7BtTrK-wA

            Morgan’s friendly goal on Bardsley:
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njzY5-MdwmU

            No mention of Bardsley can go without mentioning Laura Basset’s WWC own goal past her, which probably would’ve beaten a 7′ keeper: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySaEDzBVgrA

          • HOFCToDi

            Those European nations are quite adept at own goals. Why don’t you ask Steglitz49 about the game winning goal in the final of the 2016 Rio Olympics?

          • StegIitz49

            315m people in the US witnessed the Miracle in Brasilia. Why don’t you ask US Soccer about how well all of its 5’9″ keepers handle those long Swedish beauties?

          • Som Termanni

            FIFA 2011 WWC Physical Analysis report: http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/footballdevelopment/technicalsupport/01/68/06/99/fwwcphysicalanalysis-ee.pdf

            > In terms of goalkeepers, the team average was 1.72m;
            the tallest was 1.85m and the smallest was 1.62m. The
            average height of the goalkeepers of the four best teams
            was 1.75m, the tallest being 1.79m. These heights appear
            to be rather small for goalkeepers, especially with a view to
            coming out for balls in the air. There are other vital qualities
            such as explosiveness and muscular strength in the legs
            and the upper body, not to mention technical aspects for
            goalkeepers as well as their play with the ball at their feet,
            which is absolutely crucial these days, as well as personality,
            which came to the fore during the competition.

          • Steglitz49

            OG 2016 might be a bit more relevant.

          • Som Termanni

            OG 2016 data isn’t in a publicly consumable formats like the BBC made the OG 2012 data available. Good luck: http://odf.olympictech.org/2016-Rio/rio_2016_OG.htm

            Average GK height between WWC ’11 and ’15 increased less than 1cm, so I’m not expecting any difference to be worth the time.

          • HOFCToDi

            According to Wikipedia, Karen Bardsley is listed at 6 ft 0 in.

            en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karen_Bardsley

          • Som Termanni

            Wikipedia cites MCWFC’s site for the height. MCWFC lists her as 5’11”: https://www.mancity.com/en/teams/mcwfc/goalkeepers/karen-bardsley#profile-bio

            “The 5′ 11in goalkeeper brought hoards of experience to the new-look City side, kicking off her professional career at Ajax America Women before moving to Pali Blues in 2008. The following year, she signed for Sky Blue FC, making 17 appearances.”

          • HOFCToDi

            Bardsley won a brilliant bronze at the 2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup. Ask Steglitz49 what medal the Sweden’s national football team won at the 2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup?

          • Steglitz49

            It is 2016 today and we all know what happened a couple of months ago. The Swedish WNT sent the USWNT home to an early bath from OG-16 with the US women’s worst ever result in a major tournament.

          • HOFCToDi

            US women would rather become Olympic swimmers.

            en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_Olympic_Trials_(swimming)#U.S._Olympic_Team

            Check out the heights of the women on the US Olympic Team.

          • Steglitz49

            Thank you.

        • Steglitz49

          There is money in women’s basketball partly because the brothers put in their bit and if you want to add to your income you can kiss Vladimir Putin’s feet and join the team of one of his cronies. If you want clean hands I guess you may need a second job.

          Is there much money in ladies volleyball? I have not the foggiest. Beach volleyball, maybe?

        • Som Termanni

          This is Steg’s typically ass-backwards indirect way of simply saying Hope Solo is garbage and Kopmeyer (5’11”), Wys (5’10”), and Barnhart (5’10”) should be the USWNT keepers.

          If pressed to ever pay attention to US college ball, Steg would also like USF’s Kat Elliott (6’0″ overachiever beating top-10 programs at a backwater woso college, trains in offseason with USMNT keepers).

          • HOFCToDi

            Sweden failed to qualify for the 2010 FIFA World Cup. Sweden failed to qualify for the 2014 FIFA World Cup.

            What does a stupid Swede know about association football?

          • Steglitz49

            2011 WC Sweden beat USA 2-1.
            2015 WC Sweden drew with USA.
            let’s not mention the Bomb in Brasilia aka Miracle on Grass

          • HOFCToDi

            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
            Knockout Stage
            Round of 16
            GER 4 SWE 1

          • Steglitz49

            OG-16 Sweden silver. The USA pig iron.

      • HOFCToDi

        College athletics is more diverse than just three sports.

        NCAA Sports Sponsorship and Participation Rates Report

        ncaa.org/sites/default/files/Participation%20Rates%20Final.pdf

        Page 77

      • guest

        those two sports are pretty much a guaranteed college scholarship if you are 6’+ and willing to put in the work
        soccer is a bit different… the height advantage, other than perhaps on headers and set pieces, is less obvious. i will say i enjoy watching sam mewis in the midfield and hope she has a fine showing tomorrow…. her ability to muscle and dribble around her opposition is at least partially attributable to being the tallest person out there.

        • Steglitz49

          Always prioritize the college scholarship. Take it and run with it. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

    • FawcettFan14

      Once again, what is this height test you refer to? Just something you made up? All the top goalkeepers in women’s soccer history have been about 5’9″.
      Height is an advantage, a useful asset, but not the be all, end all.

      I’d take someone who is 5’9″ and athletic with sound positioning and secure handling, than someone who is 6’2″ and slow to react.

      You are oversimplifying the goalkeeper position.

      • Arcie Tillydee

        See my reply to Guest-Bob, below. This is just the latest in a long line of bizarre obsessions by Steg. At least this one isn’t creepy…

        • FawcettFan14

          Yes, I suppose it’s better than speculating over which player will move cities to be near her hubby or which one will have a baby next.

          • Arcie Tillydee

            #iknowright? =P

        • Steglitz49

          As I typed, the goal is the same size for the ladies as for the men. Why give up inches needlessly on account of lack of stature?

          • Marcus Landon

            Yes, and Lebron James must not be the BEST basketball player because there are many players who are taller than him, with longer arms, who are thus closer to the basket which is the same size for all players. Also, from now on, all male goal keepers must be at least 6’6.

          • Steglitz49

            You’ve lost me. I thought it was a toss-up whether Taurasi, Catchings, Parker or Leslie was the greatest?

      • Steglitz49

        We both make selfevident statements.
        — Mine is that it is asinine to needlessly handicap your team by playing goalies that are short. It is a statement of fact.
        — Yours is that it is better to have sound positioning and secure handling than be 5″ taller and slow to react. This too is a statement of fact.

        Lisa Leslie is 6’5″ and Candace Parker is 6’4″ as is Kara Lowe. Sue Bird is 5’9″ but she is a point guard. Diana Taurasi is “only” 6’0″ and Tamika Catchings 6’1″. Is it correct to assume that none of those ladies “have sound positioning and secure handling” and all are “slow to react”? I would say no. What do you say?

        I have not the foggiest whether any of them can play in gaol for WoSo but it goes without saying that there must be young ladies of that stature who could learn to be goalies. High time to go and find them because the other teams are starting to have them: China (!), South-Africa, Germany and Sweden, for example.

        • Observed

          Your crazy advice is to play freaks in goal even if they don’t play soccer. For a woman in this world 5-9″ is runway model height, and 5 inches above average.

          • Steglitz49

            According to the literature of the web, the minimum height for a female runway model is 5’8″ and most are between 5’9″ to 5’11”. No doubt there have been shorter ones.

            There are other figures published as guides such as 34-24-34 but also 32-34″ – 26″ – 35-36″.

    • Borgata

      University of Miami’s Phallon Tullis-Joyce is your goalie.

      • Steglitz49

        I take your word for it.

    • anon

      agility and flexibility are actually affected negatively by height . if you can find someone who can move like a prime Solo who is 6′ tall, by all means, call her up

      • ABCDE

        this is why I think the “sweet spot” for female goalies is probably more like 5’9-5’10. you have to figure they are the ones throwing their full weight down the most. a muscular 6′ woman is putting extreme strain on their joints everytime they dive. flexibility and a good vertical leap is more important than height.

      • Steglitz49

        I leave it to you to inform Diana Taurasi, Tamika Catchings, Candace Parker and Lisa Leslie. I am sure they will be thrilled to know.

  • Guest-Bob

    I’m not sure Mathias’s move to RB was about strengthening defense. Rather, it allowed Seattle to transition between having 3 defenders and 4. Because Seattle was having more offensive woes than defensive ones, so the idea was more attack. And one of Mathias’s strengths is pace/endurance, which meant she could run up and down the pitch to sometimes be a forward, sometimes a defender. (Even more than a typical “wingback”). Just my impression though.

    • Steglitz49

      Let’s trust that Casey Short makes the NT grade.

  • Arcie Tillydee

    Calling up Dahlkemper over Menges remains borderline absurd…

    • FawcettFan14

      Indeed. At least one thing that seems to be the consensus among the WoSo community. There will be more camps though. You can’t call up every deserving player at once. Maybe next camp will see Menges get her shot, as well as a few other midfielders who got overlooked this time.

      • Arcie Tillydee

        I certainly hope so…Emily was very probably the best CB in the league for the season. I’m not trying to bag on Dahlkemper, but her rather rough, direct play isn’t going to fly in a lot of places. North American pro soccer is known for being almost comically permissive in terms of rough play, and she’ll have to adjust.

        Shea Groom seems to have made that adjustment. Of course, _her_ play was so rough that it garnered a lot of notice even here in North America. But to give credit where it’s due (despite really not liking her much…), she’s listened and noticeably dialed it back. I expect her to succeed with the Nats.

        • DNG

          The red card early in the year seems to have been a positive learning experience for Groom. I’m still not sure how Dahlkemper finished the semifinal match. She made at least 2 yellow worthy challenges after receiving her first card and really should have been carded for pulling Heath down in the box too. I’m not sure she’s good enough for the NT but at least Ellis is bringing in new faces. Hopefully she brings in more new faces for the next camp.

          • Arcie Tillydee

            Agreed. Dahlkemper had no business being on the field for a decent chunk of that match. Just one of the many egregious errors that ref team committed. Usually, they even out. Not this time, and I’ll never consider the result legit. A lot of folk won’t like that statement…zero f*cks given.

          • truth hurts

            Sore loser?

  • FawcettFan14

    For the record, Shea Groom had 8 goals this season, not 7.

  • DNG

    USWNT U17s out of WC. Finished third in group in another disappointing showing.

    • Arcie Tillydee

      No qualification for 2014. Fail to make the knockouts in 2016. Are we done with BJ SNow yet? FFS…

      • kernel_thai

        Hehe save ur ire for when that story gets put up. I expect lots of venting

      • DNG

        It’s not just Snow it’s Heinrichs and really Ellis too.

    • Breakers fan

      If the Ghana goal was counted – it was a goal — would we have moved on? And in the goals dept. man, what a game of inches soccer can be – our keeper gets her hand on the ball and it goes post-in vs. Japan. These 2 occurrences meant so much.

      edit: that said, the thing that bothered me the most was seeing Japan’s 66-34 possession stat against us. Was the full game shown/is a stream of it still available? I only saw the highlights and haven’t seen a full stream of it still being available.

      • DNG

        If Ghana had tied Paraguay 1-1 and the US had tied Japan 2-2 I believe the US would have gone through on goal differential. I thought the US teams was throughly outclassed by Japan though and that is more important to me than whether or not they had actually managed to win the whole thing.

        • Breakers fan

          So you saw the whole game?

          sidenote: when I said “the goal against Ghana” I was talking about when the U.S. played them and our bouncing ball that bounced in the goal but the ref didn’t see it. My question was about that and whether the ref counting a goal that happened would have been enough for the U.S. team to advance. Thanks for the other info nonetheless.

          Not having seen the game I can’t comment on it though I did see the possession % stat. I also saw that we had 2 goals called back on offsides calls. I’m alarmed too to some extent but I also know that this is Japan’s style and that they tend to be an international outlier – they focus a lot on pure possession and possession stats can mean a lot of unthreatening time-killing so the stats can (not saying they did here as I didn’t see the game) be kind of misleading in terms of describing how much a team dominated the game. But you’re saying it was more than that, so that is concerning.

          • DNG

            Oh, and I didn’t watch the Ghana Paraguay game. That almost goal from Sanchez wasn’t a goal or at least a clear goal in my opinion. They would have gone through on goal difference if they tied Ghana.

            Japan certainly were not unthreatening with their possession. They created tons of danger and in my opinion the US was lucky they didn’t concede a couple more even before they started going for it. Japan being an outlier doesn’t explain how they almost seemed overmatched by Ghana from an athletic stand point and were unable to cope.

          • Breakers fan

            Sounds like you saw all of the games or least the entirety Ghana and Japan games. Interesting to get a report, thanks. The bouncing ball to me was a clear goal – from the highlight reel which I watched a bunch of times, as you may have too. I saw it bounce over the line and then come back. Guess we just disagree about it.

            For me at this point, not having seen the games I can not make really many comments, but just from the results, the highlight clips, and from reading your descriptions, my tentative and general takeaways are: the world is catching up to us; we do have a bunch of good players; they’re 16, plenty of time to develop, plenty of work to do; don’t assume we will win everything always any longer across age groups; as a fan don’t stress about it, just enjoy it. Que sera sera. I’m not personally involved so I can’t affect anything.

          • Breakers fan

            Did I get it right – BJ Snow’s quote that “we have beaten them (Japan) 3 times in a row recently?” If so, that’s good to hear.

          • DNG

            Yeah they had a good record against the Japanese at U17 the last 2 years. They didn’t look so good in this match though. They scored first on a direct ball and mistake by the Japanese defender and tried to sit back a little. While the US senior team is athletic enough to just take the ball back from Japan and press them into mistakes, the U17 team was not. They couldn’t get the ball back and their defense crumbled a couple of times leading to great chances.

            The U17 players certainly look skilled, I’m just not sure they are capable of playing the way they need to at the moment due to how they are developed from youth on up. There might come a point where the win now mentality in college and youth adversely affects american players compared to other countries who have a more professional style development.

            It’s a lot easier and less time consuming to win by getting athletes to play organized direct soccer than it is to train them to play like Barcelona. The latter takes commitment and teams(youth club and college) must be okay with losing(they are not). One thing that may help is some NWSL clubs running their own teams as part of the DA as they can train these young women without caring too much about results.

            I also think their tactical knowledge is far behind some of the top countries due to many of them just not growing up watching top level soccer. Creating passing triangles and moving off the ball just isn’t intuitive for many americans like it is for european players. It was pretty clear to see when Horan first came back to play with the NT. She plays balls into space in a way not many other american players do. She knows how to tell her teammates where to go by playing a pass to an area.

          • Breakers fan

            Thanks. Well-said and I think by and large accurate. (hard to say not being directly involved in the system, but one can make inferences from observation) We’ll see how they develop over the next 10 years!

          • Guest

            Uh that ball against Ghana did not go in. I saw both games in their entirety. The us was completely outplayed by both teams in the second halves. . Ghanas athleticism bossed the game beginning midway through the first half. Similarly Japan always had control of the game. Corners 8-1 Japan. More than twice the Shots. The USA was owned in both games. Very disturbing.

          • Breakers fan

            Uh, it did go in. Or I can be more honest and say I really *think* it went in. Look at right around 1:29 of the highlights of the game on youtube. The point where their keeper pats the ball down. That’s where I think it goes in. I think where it hits the ground after she hits it down is over the line.And/or when it’s in the air right before she hits it down.Take a look and let me know what you think. I’m impressed with your vision abilities thus far, though, to have such certainty about it!

            Also thanks for your reaction to the games. The players are who and what they are at this point in time. I’m not going to worry about it. I do this for fun, though, sure, I too hope we win games and tournaments. In the end I figure that they’re doing all the work, I’m sitting on my butt. I don’t feel that in that position I can be demanding.

  • Guest

    “Mathias graduatedd from…”

  • kernel_thai

    Not much new here from previous story. I did swing by USSoccer and was amazed at seeing over 100 posts centered on the topic of why I bought tickets to match that the stars werent attending. One point was pretty good tho…seems Minnesota rarely get a uswnt visit and it might be a bit unfair for them to get a developmental match when they finally do.

    • DNG

      That complaint probably isn’t limited to just Minnesota. I’d bet that Morgan doesn’t miss many more matches because I could see people not buying tickets to matches they knew the stars weren’t going to be at. It may end up affecting future ticket sales since many were probably sold before the roster was announced.

      • kernel_thai

        While I dont begrudge anyone a rest break I was surprised not to see Morgan and Lloyd get called into both camps and just get light duty and maybe a cameo in the matches. Most of these fans complaining about not seeing Morgan play r actually complaining she wont be there for autographs. It might have also been nice to have them there in a mentoring role with so many younger players coming in.

        • DNG

          That doesn’t surprise me. The player interactions are a big part of the NWSL crowds as well. I think most would be fine if players weren’t playing but there to sign autographs.

          • kernel_thai

            Yeah, despite all the talk of who must be on the field to keep the fans happy, I dont recall a mass exodus of fans when a player come out of the match

        • guest

          there is nothing more important than a good facebook picture. can’t put a price on that. that is worth than the price of a ticket alone.

          • Sadly, this is true to a lot of people. I don’t get it. The amount of “abuse” the players take if they don’t sign/sign long enough or miss a kid these days is ridiculous. People feel so entitled that they think famous people/athletes owe them things like pictures and autographs. If they don’t get it, they immediately dislike the players.

            Fans need to realized they wouldn’t know who Alex Morgan was to begin with if she didn’t get a chance to start playing for the NT. Let some of these other kids get that chance.

    • mockmook

      “One point was pretty good tho…seems Minnesota rarely get a uswnt visit and it might be a bit unfair for them to get a developmental match when they finally do.”

      A ridiculous point — they will be seeing the future stars AND many established stars.

      • kernel_thai

        But if they do only get a game every five years or more, this may be their last shot at seeing Morgan. Me personally, Id be happy to watch the young turks busting it to make the team. Id guess u would too.

        • mockmook

          Well, this is part of the maturation of the game — stars are left off of teams when they evaluate and rebuild, stars are left off of teams when the players are hurt or need rest, etc.

        • Breakers fan

          I like the idea of Morgan and Lloyd being there for autographs. Not sure about if a cameo – say 15 minutes at the end of the game – would be enough to satiate the fans who primarily came to see *them*. It would be interesting to poll all the fans at the game to see if and how much it matters to them that these players won’t be there, just to see what % it comprises. You saw a lot of comments bemoaning this situation but how representative of the whole crowd is that? No way of knowing. Regardless, I also agree with mockmook in pointing out the importance of acknowledging that this is the natural order of things, and even if those players aren’t off the team yet, this moving on is inevitable and who knows, maybe at game’s end many fans will have budding new favorites and will largely have forgotten about the absence of those who didn’t play.

          • mockmook

            Not sure if making an appearance for autographs would be the rest I was trying to give my player (assuming that’s what they were doing).

          • Breakers fan

            Good point. I hadn’t thought of that. Though a one day flight in and out of a city isn’t all that strenuous either and you get to see your team play in person. There’s also the thing of Minnesota fans maybe saying “Don’t tease us with autographs, we want to see them play!” so it could backfire, be even worse in a sense, because of that and even if they give autographs, for how long? 100s who are in line will still probably get shut out.

    • Marcus Landon

      I was also shocked by the volume of “I spent money on tickets” complaints! I don’t think its justified AT ALL. Star players miss games ALL the time. If I spend a FORTUNE to see the Cavs in NYC and LeBron tweaked a hamstring and isnt in the line up, am I entitled to a refund?

  • BRASILEIRO

    USWNT U17s fail

    • kernel_thai

      As did Brazil

      • Steglitz49

        Though your statement is correct I fail how that helps either the USA or Canada. Now only Mexico remains of the 3 NWSL nations.

        • kernel_thai

          I just find it disturbing that two of the more storied woman’s programs have gone astray in the youth level of the sport.

          • Steglitz49

            England, Germany and Spain all went through though now Spain and Germany lock horns.

            It would be interesting to learn what clubs the players from those nations play for. I know that the English lass who took the penalties plays for Man City.

          • mockmook

            Perhaps astray on the NT (BJ Snow?)

            I don’t think it is a failure of these players, nor all the yutes — I like the talent that I’m seeing.

          • kernel_thai

            They can collect some of the best bodies but r they maturing their games and teaching them good team tactics? Look at the two goals the 17s got today.. Sanchez split the backs on a long ball and a pk. What I want to see is combo passing goals. I want to see them hold the ball and probe. On the US side this looks like just what it is…an all-star team. The Japanese teams looks like they r a club.

          • mockmook

            Is that the players fault?

            I’m sure you agree that they are capable of playing much less direct.

          • DNG

            The U17 players seemed more capable technically from my observation. However, I don’t think that’s how most of them are taught to play at club level. ECNL teams, which just about all youth players play for, are just as results focused as the college teams. It’s a lot easier to win playing direct and organized with athletes than it is to play indirect.

            I also know Sanchez has been touted as the next big thing. Despite her two goals I’m not sure yet. She’s certainly looks like a good finisher and has lots of skill with the ball but like Pugh, I am unsure of what her best position is.

      • BRASILEIRO

        We did not lose. We allow others win

        • kernel_thai

          Most philanthropic

        • Chak Khan

          Hilariously considerate!

  • tonysocref

    Youth movement at work.
    Average age for the roster is 23 and a few months. Guessing the lowest it’s been for over 10 plus years.
    14 of the 24 are under 25 with 5 over 30.
    Youngest is 20 and we all know who the oldest is at 34.

    • kernel_thai

      For curiosity sake, what was the average age of Olympic roster including alternates?

      • Steglitz49

        I think s/he is making a connection to the 2011 Nadeshiko, whose median age was 25. They had two players aged >30 and one player aged 18 (Mana Iwabuchi) while Saki Kumagai was 20.

      • tonysocref

        With alternates, it was 27 and 9 months with 7 under 25 and 9 over 30

    • ABCDE

      yeah, we should definitely be recruiting more of our very promising youth players! /sarcasm

      Williams, Groom, Ohai have all been tested and rejected by the U-pick your number system. They are space fillers, PR pawns… nothing more.

      • guest

        the problem is likely rooted in coaching and development mechanisms through the youth to senior levels more than anything else. i agree that younger players won’t solve anything. you kick out players when they aren’t playing well anymore, not because of an arbitrary age cutoff.

        • Steglitz49

          I suspect that for many a young lady the aim of the game is to get a scholarship to college.

          It may, of course, be easier to get a scholarship in volleyball, field hockey or archery than soccer but if soccer is what you are good at, that is where you dedicate yourself. How your game develops will depend on your local HS coach and what position is open for you.

          Given how many young ladies play soccer in the US and the sheer size of the country, it is not easy to pick out players for a U17 camp, that might broaden your experience.

          The bottom lineremains: go to college, enjoy college and save yourself and your parents some big bucks though playing soccer.

      • mockmook

        Hey genius,

        Ohai won a U-20 WWC Championship

      • Hans Castorp

        Good or bad it’s what we have.

      • Guest

        You know how many current NT players were also?

        Yeah your play as a 16 year old will definitely be more telling about how you will do on the USWNT than current league play against world class competition

        • Steglitz49

          Judging by these U17s, back to the drawing board.

      • Marcus Landon

        You assume far too much! Different players hit their stride/peak at different times. Where a player was at U-17 in terms of development does NOT dictate where they will be five or six years later. In fact, more than half of the youngest call ups (18 or under) to the USWNT, who were the most promising young players at that stage, have not panned out.

    • Chak Khan

      Is Pugh out for good?

      • mockmook

        I believe she’s in camp with the U-20’s

      • Marcus Landon

        Pugh out? NO WAY. She’s the future and is just doing the U-20 thing.

        • sudeep das

          Exactly my thoughts

  • Paul Klee

    So unless Ellis goes with a 3-5-2 at least one of the uncapped will not only get her first cap but will also get a start. Whom do you think that might be?

    • Steglitz49

      Let’s hope she follows your advice so noone misses out.

  • Chak Khan

    Post OG16, there has been plenty of discussions about replacement of players and head coach but not a bleep about staffing coach in particular GK one. I didn’t realize Paul Rogers is longer with USWNT. Could that have any affect on the PK at the OG16?

    • Breakers fan

      Their singing skills will no longer continue to grow, nor will their knowledge of ’70s rock.

      (couldn’t resist)

      • Chak Khan

        What?

        • Breakers fan

          You may be young to know what I was referencing there. The singer for the 1970’s English rock band was named Paul Rodgers and I’ve enjoyed his singing since that time so when I hear that name he’s the first guy I think of. He’s also the guy who replaced Freddie Mercury in Queen before Adam Lambert did. That’s all – a silly play on the name you gave.

          • mockmook

            “Their singing skills will no longer continue to grow”

            Isn’t this a play on a quote as well?

            Or, if not, WTH? 🙂

          • Breakers fan

            Not that I know of. My joke, such as it was, was that if they’re employing Bad Company’s singer then he’s surely there to give singing lessons.

          • mockmook

            Got it!!!

          • #1Fan

            Thats why they cal me ……Bad Company, and I cant deny …Baaaad Company till the day I die