Williams, Ohai among fresh USWNT call-ups

Dan Lauletta October 6, 2016 786
Kealia Ohai, left, will join the camp ahead of the United States friendly matches against Switzerland (Photo Copyright Erica McCaulley for The Equalizer)

Kealia Ohai, left, will join the camp ahead of the United States friendly matches against Switzerland (Photo Copyright Erica McCaulley for The Equalizer)

Western New York Flash forward and 2016 NWSL MVP Lynn Williams plus finalist Kealia Ohai are among fresh faces called in by Jill Ellis ahead of friendly matches against Switzerland later this month. Williams and Ohai tied for the league lead in goals with 11 to earn the call. Williams is in Houston, where the Flash will play the Washington Spirit in Sunday’s NWSL Championship. Teammate Abby Dahlkemper was also named to the camp.

Of the 24 players Ellis called into camp, 11 re uncapped, eight of which play in the NWSL. Stanford goalkeeper Jane Campbell, teammate Andi Sullivan and BYU forward Ashley Hatch are the three collegiate players on the roster.

Also joining the U.S. for the first time are Chicago Red Stars fullbacks Arin Gilliland and Casey Short.

[LAULETTA: Lynn Williams named 2016 NWSL MVP]

The inclusion of so many new faces means that some veterans, including Alex Morgan, Julie Johnston and Ali Krieger, among others, have been left off this roster.

The U.S. will play two matches against Switzerland, on Oct. 19 at Rio Tinto Stadium in Sandy, Utah (9 p.m. ET on ESPN2) and Oct. 23 at U.S. Bank Stadium in Minneapolis, Minn. (2:45 p.m. ET on FS1).

The complete roster is:

GOALKEEPERS (3): Jane Campbell (Stanford), Ashlyn Harris (Orlando Pride), Alyssa Naeher (Chicago Red Stars)

DEFENDERS (7): Abby Dahlkemper (Western New York Flash), Arin Gilliland (Chicago Red Stars), Merritt Mathias (Seattle Reign), Kelley O’Hara (Sky Blue FC), Becky Sauerbrunn (FC Kansas City), Casey Short (Chicago Red Stars), Emily Sonnett (Portland Thorns FC)

MIDFIELDERS (8): Morgan Brian (Houston Dash), Danielle Colaprico (Chicago Red Stars), Tobin Heath (Portland Thorns FC), Lindsey Horan (Portland Thorns FC), Carli Lloyd (Houston Dash), Allie Long (Portland Thorns FC), Samantha Mewis (Western New York Flash), Andi Sullivan (Stanford)

FORWARDS (6): Crystal Dunn (Washington Spirit), Shea Groom (FC Kansas City), Ashley Hatch (BYU), Kealia Ohai (Houston Dash), Christen Press (Chicago Red Stars), Lynn Williams (Western New York Flash)

  • VaFan51

    There will be a million comments on this, but let me start by saying I hope they have Shea Groom and Merritt Mathias room together.

    • AlexH

      Explain please.

      • guest

        Both went to A&M?

      • MurderOnZidanesFloor

        Mathias was banned for slamming Groom’s head into the ground earlier in the season.

        • guest

          Okay, so Mathias is a vicious enforcer. Doesn’t she lack other important attributes like speed and skill?

          • Chak Khan

            Will she be the enforcer in the NT matches as well? Foul machine/red card carrier? Most likely she will not be Hope Solo’d.

          • rkmid71

            Why not? She can take that burden off Lloyd, who as captain ideally would be a little more sporting.

          • Miguel Najdorf

            Lost in this discussion is the fact that Merritt Mathias completely shut down Tobin Heath when they last played in Seattle.

          • DNG

            She didn’t do that completely by herself. She pressured Heath well and did a good job of denying her the ball most of the match. However, whenever Heath had her faced up they sent another player to help her defend. The reason they did that was because Mathias not being an experienced 1v1 defender. The evidence of this was her conceding a bunch of penalties in a short time at the position. Maybe she can clean up her decision making but I saw her dive into way too many tackles she shouldn’t have.

      • VaFan51

        http://www.kansascity.com/sports/mls/fc-kansas-city/article87150327.html
        One of the seriocomic highlights of the NWSL season, as far as I’m concerned.

        • Chak Khan

          And they said WoSo games aren’t all that fun.

    • lol forgot about that…

    • Okay, that’s just sadistic. 🙂

    • Nicole C.

      Funny 🙂

    • xanthophobe

      Oh god please no. But that fight this season was interesting to me considering they played at A&M together.

      • rkmid71

        What’s the big deal? They are both intense competitors. It can happen. I’m sure they can both live with the consequences. Doesn’t mean they can’t play together. Room together I’m not sure. May need to give that some more time.

        • xanthophobe

          Never said they couldn’t play together. And I totally get that elite athletes are bound to get like that. I just thought it was very strong given the fact that they have a history.

    • Lorehead

      Then start them against Canada.

      • Chak Khan

        Is MTancredi’s stomping on CL’s head any worse than MMathias’ slamming SGroom’s head? We don’t need to compete the latter against CAN, we already have CAN players within our USWNT. Also, there are other teams who are just as physically brutal, i.e. COL, NIGERIA, MEX, to name a few.

  • Guest1

    She is doing what you guys wanted. Now complain about it

    • Anon

      not complaining. only thing im annoyed at is no menges.

    • guest

      equalizer posters have the same free speech right to protest that megan rapinoe does. equalizer posters are the true american citizens.

      • Steglitz49

        Some are not. For example, they do not register themselves so we can follow their comments.

        • es

          Why do you care if people register

          • Steglitz49

            To keep them right.

    • Steglitz49

      Verily and forsooth. Houndstooth.

    • guest

      Jill does her own thing but there is a poster on here who posts videos all the time and he/she was right about the call ups and future players being looked at by Jill. Maybe that person is her.

      • Chak Khan

        I was thinking before your post that JE might be reading this forum regularly. Hence, the complainers can annoy her into taking their suggestion about roster callup.

        • Captain Crunch

          lol…no way. If she read this forum, she would’ve slit her wrists a long time ago!! However, I do think people associated with the players read this forum. Some of the posts seem way too personal at times.

          Unfortunately, this website doesn’t have good content versus at least espn has live interviews/quotes. Equalizer just seems to copy and paste articles, seldom has any quotes. They just do it for the forum. Too bad because I think the site could be so much better. I do appreciate that there is a site though and it is a lot of work to maintain it on a skeleton staff.

    • Chak Khan

      ARe these the same complainers who wanted to expand the roster to 40+ so every single one of their fav players could be on the NT?

      • rkmid71

        I think roster expansion was more about creating meaningful competition for spots and to disburse the budget and provide better income for a greater number of players. Nothing to do with fav players.

        • Steglitz49

          Que?! It is all about their favorite players. That is why when the coach cuts one of their favorites, they scream blue murder in typical NIMBY fashion.

  • ROOTchino

    No Alex Morgan? Panic! Panic!

    • kernel_thai

      Just breathe

    • guest

      don’t worry. christen press was still selected.

      • guest2

        Could be why he’s panicking.

        • Steglitz49

          Indeed.

    • Steglitz49

      Is she blessed?

  • anon

    Steglitz49 in full on panic mode. Alex Morgan on the roster, Press is not! Pinoe and Krieger in the doghouse…

    • anon

      woops meant the reverse

      • Steglitz49

        S49 never panics. It rolls with the punches.

    • AlexH

      If Pinoe really is in the doghouse and not just left off to rest and rehab while others get an audition then Jill should be fired immediately because there can now be no justification whatsoever for her insane decision to put her on the OG roster.

    • guest

      hopefully, megan rapinoe is now in the outhouse. she can then dedicate herself fully to ending gun violence on the southside of chicago.

  • guest

    maybe nwsl play really does matter… no Morgan or Johnston? dang. Menges snub

    • anon

      and no Kling… wow maybe Ellis isn’t THAT blind

    • Steglitz49

      Alex’s absence may have a natural explanation.

      • TrollWatch

        Why don’t you knit her some booties?

        • rkmid71

          Steg will recommend Magdalena Neuner for the knitting. Plus like Alex she’s a world champion. And seems equally good at knitting too.

          • Steglitz49

            Let’s wind up the trollwatch. It would be a pity if it ran out of spring.

  • AlexH

    It’s good to see a lot of new faces coming up. I am hoping that the inclusion of Lloyd and Brunn is just to give the newbies some veteran leadership and not a foreshadowing of those to playing into their 80’s

  • ROOTchino

    Excited for the Possibility of a Dunn – O’Hai reunion up top, if anything just for fun.

  • J

    Them forwards! Speed on speed on speed!!!

  • MurderOnZidanesFloor

    Really didn’t expect Ellis to come out with this sort of squad, definitely watching the US-Switzerland games now though.

    • Andy

      Saw this from a mile away. Ellis said she was going to do this the moment the Olympics were over.

      That said, yeah, US-Switzerland are definitely going to be worth watching!

      • MurderOnZidanesFloor

        She said it, but I never really believed it. I fully expected her to show up with about 2 or 3 new players.

        • Steglitz49

          JE has seen her chance and grabbed it with both hands and run with it full pelt.

  • Guest

    wake up call for Morgan

    • VaFan51

      Uh, no.

    • MurderOnZidanesFloor

      Or she’s just resting an injury prone player after a long season. I’d be so shocked if Alex Morgan is out the side long term.

      • Steglitz49

        She may be blessed — like ARod 4 years ago

        • MurderOnZidanesFloor

          That’s an interesting possibility. Or if you want to really upset people with conspiracy theories maybe she’s already entered contract negotiations to play for Lyon and is quitting the USWNT and NWSL.

          • Steglitz49

            Thank you. What would her hubby do? Master the art of the French kitchen? Open French Letters?

            I guess all will be revealed in the next 2-3 months.

    • Ashley C

      This is the first time in a few years where it hasn’t been hectic for the NT. With no major tournament for a while on the schedule this is the perfect chance to let players like Morgan rest. Don’t think she goes anywhere for a little white.

    • guest

      everyone need’s to be on the lookout for alex morgan gang troll brigade jumpers on the golden gate bridge.

      • Steglitz49

        Teach them to knit! That will keep them right — and productive.

  • kel

    why Hatch and not Jordan

    • guest

      Local girl will help boost attendance.

      • kernel_thai

        Hatch & Ohai.

  • Bob

    This doesn’t mean all these players will make it but if I was older player than you should be worried. your golden ticket is over.

  • anon

    Poor Krieger… best RB in the world doesn’t deserve the treatment she has received this year

    • Steglitz49

      Isn’t the best RB in the world Jessica Samuelsson?

      • MurderOnZidanesFloor

        No. It’s Lucy Bronze.

        • Guest

          I thought she was the 3rd best leftback??

          • Steglitz49

            He is correct. Jessica mainly plays LB but can play RB.

            Samuelsson is the best back in the world, that is for sure.

          • MurderOnZidanesFloor

            She can be that as well if you like!

          • Guest

            No, that’s Tobin Heath, the NWSL’s least valuable player

  • Guest

    Menges is one person in the NWSL that SHOULD get a call up. ugh.

  • Guest

    is Press the only true forward

    • Steglitz49

      It is her chance to redeem herself — if that is theologically possible.

    • kernel_thai

      Interesting question. Will they move Dunn to the top when Press comes off or will they give Williams or Groom a shot at the lone forward. Hopefully Ohai has just been brought in for work on the flank.

  • guest

    lol, Heath as the only true winger

    • pete

      she can play both them level she has been going

    • mockmook

      Maybe not “true” true mid wings, but all of these are perfectly viable options on the mid wings:

      Ohai
      Mathias
      Dunn
      Groom
      (and likely others)

  • kernel_thai

    Nice to see Ellis go all in on something. If u only bring in a few new players u can still play mostly the regulars. She will actually be starting new players with this roster.

    • Rdalford

      this may be your first mostly positive comment re Ellis since perhaps last October when you may have been initially positive re Oct 2015 new call ups.

      • kernel_thai

        Nope wasnt crazy about Oct call ins because they seemed hand picked instead of on merit. This group has earned there looks.

        • Rdalford

          imo most in this group have earned a look … but not Mathias.

          I am in favor or more open process (more players being called into camps getting caps etc and wnt coach making selections on merit and current level of play) but am not sure I trust Ellis to be the one doing the merit evaluations.

          • kernel_thai

            Whether u like Mathias or not it certainly wasnt the usual political move. This was watching the league and picking out a player because they liked her grit. The key thing there is watching the league.

    • dw

      Ellis isn’t responsible for any of this, either…

      • mockmook

        Who’s pulling the strings here?

        • dw

          Federation.

      • kernel_thai

        Wait, didnt u see in ESPNW that this was the very plan that got Ellis hired???? I am of the opinion that this is a tactic but even if this is just sending a message Im going to enjoy some different faces in US kits.

        • dw

          It’s feel good propaganda. Clear out the vets who: A) didn’t win and B” are causing trouble, and tell the masses that this was the plan all along. WE KNOW THIS WASN’T THE PLAN. PUT DOWN THE KOOL AID.

  • Wakeup

    These 11 new players are being tried out. It don’t mean Alex Morgan is done. Geez

    • Ethan

      I’m not necessarily disagreeing. However, how do you explain all the other big names still being in the squad then?

      • SpiritFan00

        If I’m Jill, I also call my captains in and some mainstay USWNT players. The vets are there to maintain standards (so many players talk about the atmosphere on the team) and also to serve as a known benchmark for the newbies.

        • Ethan

          Some mainstay USWNT players? So Morgan wouldn’t fit in as one of those mainstay USWNT players? Aren’t Lloyd and Heath the only active players who have more caps than Morgan? We’ll just agree to disagree.

          • SpiritFan00

            I don’t think we disagree, I said “some.” Morgan is a mainstay, but “some” of them won’t be invited to camp, or you would have an entire team of veteran mainstays. If you read Jill’s letter, she said some players will miss certain camps but will come back in later.

          • Ethan

            Alright. I think I’m letting Morgan not playing in the second half of the Netherlands match get to me. I mean, if it was predetermined that Lloyd would come into this camp and Morgan into the next one, then why on earth did Lloyd get the full 90? Also, I do understand that Ellis called in more forwards than midfielders, and I’m glad that Dunn and Press were both called in. So, I guess that leaves Morgan off. I’ll be interested to see if this stops the “Morgan always has to play” comments.

          • I think you are too, just based on the fact that Press and Morgan split halves in both games. Press started the first, Morgan started the second.

          • Steglitz49

            Alex may = ARod 4 years on?

          • HOFCToDi

            Why on earth did Lloyd get the full 90? Chasing 100.

            Goals

            Why on earth did Solo get the full 90? Chasing 100.

            Shutouts

          • Steglitz49

            Alex may have a valid excuse.

          • Ok stop, you don’t need to insinuate that on every comment.

          • Steglitz49

            Get used to life in all its fulness!

            ARod managed her career to a tee. there is no reason to believe that Alex can’t too. Their given names start on A after all.

          • kernel_thai

            I would expect Lloyd and Sauerbrunn to get a break in November which gets us to Captain Morgan.

          • Steglitz49

            That is a rum one if ever there was one.

      • Evevic

        If Jill Ellis is being true to her words: using performance and adaptability as her benchmark then Alex Morgan clearly didn’t deserve a call. Doesn’t mean she’s done, this will light up a fire under her belly hopefully

        • Ethan

          I completely disagree there. I thought Morgan had a solid year for the Orlando Pride, but I know that most people disagree there. I also thought that Morgan had a pretty good international year. Agree to disagree.

          • She had a solid year, Press had a better year for Chicago. Might explain it for this camp. Otherwise, see my argument above about rotating the camps that the vets get called into. It will be more telling to see which vets get called into every camp till the end of the year.

          • Steglitz49

            Forget Press.

          • TrollWatch

            You’re nothing if not persistent.

          • kernel_thai

            Regardless of Orlando her performance on the full team this year is certainly enough to secure her place. She is still leading the team in goals. Everyone who has a problem with Morgan in the past is trying to twist the knife a bit. Personally, Im glad some players r getting a rest.

    • guest

      I approve of this squad. Jill Ellis finally does something I agree with. The ‘veterans’ have taken this team for granted for too long. Time to put some competition in the mix, widen the pool, and pick the best players for tournament instead of underachieving veterans.

      • AlexH

        Unless of course the veterans that remain get all the time and the youngsters ride pine.

        • guest

          which is what happened last fall with most of the newcomers. guess we shall see.

  • Ashley C

    I’m not the biggest fan of Jill but I don’t get why so many supporters are mad via social media. There is no major tournament for a while. This is the perfect opportunity to see new players in this environment. This is actually a good thing. Needs to be more competition for spots and less politics. Virtually every other NT operates this way and for once USSF might actually do it. And I don’t think players like Morgan are going anywhere anytime soon – might as well give her a rest after a hectic few years of NT soccer. No reason she has to play vs Switzerland or anything.

    Now I do think players like Klingenberg might not be the go-to anymore. She got torched all night vs WNY and it hasn’t just been one bad game. Perhaps even Johnston but that one isn’t as certain and she can still improve.

    • Ethan

      Okay, but with regards to Morgan, how come so many other important players that have played just as much as her (and even more) are in the squad?

      • Andy

        Purely a guess, but I think most returning players were chosen in part due to the new ones coming in. For example:

        I think Sauerbrunn was chosen over Johnston so that Gilliland and Short could be tested with a seasoned CB but not a club teammate. Need to see how they would do without that familiarity.

        • Guest

          That, and why wouldn’t they call the captain into camp.

      • Ashley C

        I’m not sure why anyone is panicking about Morgan. Ellis has to have a good mix of players for not just the match itself but more importantly for training purposes. The team also needs to sort out the midfield problem which I think is why we’re seeing more midfielders. What Ellis is doing is pretty common on any other NT team – except for some it feels foreign right now because USSF has been playing politics for so long. Ellis will more than likely rotate with these camps since there’s no major tournament to play for at the moment. That’s basically what she said herself. With nothing to play for right now it makes little sense to have a camp full of vets IMO. It makes sense why she would rotate and mix it up. Personally I’m going to wait and see what happens in the next few months. No sense in questioning the big spectrum when this is just the first camp.

        • Ethan

          More midfielders? There’s Colaprico, who has been in the picture before, and a college player in Sullivan. Midfield is the area with the fewest new call ups.

          I’m not panicking. I just don’t completely understand the level of confidence posters have shown considering Morgan didn’t see time in the second half against the Netherlands and she’s not on this roster. So, we’ve gone from “she has to play all the time” to “it’s only one camp”. You and others are probably right though in terms of Morgan’s place on the team.

      • GNC

        Morgan is one of the leading goal scorers (if not THE leading one, haven’t checked recently) on the team this year. She’s not going anywhere.

        • Some Termanni

          Morgan’s one behind Lloyd in total 2016 goals, one ahead of Dunn in goals not counting friendlies.

          • Deb

            I think Morgan & Lloyd are tied at 15 each.

      • guest

        part of the reason is probably because the fans that bought tickets to the friendlies are gonna wanna see some of the popular uswnt players. those tickets aren’t cheap. don’t think you can have all newcomers. so i guess they will rotate the vets in and out.

  • kernel_thai

    So…let the speculation begin

    ………………………….Naeher
    O’Hara…..Sonnett….Sauerbrunn…Short
    ……………………Long
    …………Horan…………Lloyd
    Dunn…………..Press…………………Heath

    • guest

      Depressingly familiar. I hope you’re not serious.

      • kernel_thai

        If u dont think she is going to try and win the matches ur crazy

        • guest

          Sorry, I got carried away with all the new call ups.

          • kernel_thai

            If she throws five new players out there to start I’llrequest an autopsy to see a pod person has replaced her. Personally I would be thrilled if she gave the new players a half. This isnt Sermanni who out of the blue starts JJ at DM and plays her 90 minutes for her second cap.

        • mockmook

          If she can’t win with this line-up, she can’t win:

          http://drawformation.com/post/57f6d97bd9b4a/sm-57f6d97bd9b4a.png

        • Lorehead

          Of course she’ll try to win, but she’s going to try to win while giving new players a chance.

    • guest

      so what is the point of these call ups again?

      • dw

        To threaten the vets not to strike.

    • DNG

      Andi Sullivan in the pivot with Brian and Colaprico in front of her would be my choice. Honestly, I’d rather Heath, Brian, Press, Dunn, and Sauerbrunn see only a quarter of the minutes in these games

    • I like this lineup, but it kind of negates calling 11 new players in if none of them are going to start, doesn’t it?

      • kernel_thai

        They get 6 subs. U might see the lineup a little different in Utah. I dont see her capping everyone she brought in and I dont see her not using the opportunity to play all her players.

        • JL

          But using all 6 at once is not a good idea.

          • kernel_thai

            Well she might change 3 at the half and two more at 60 but I dont expect just a bunch of cameos. It will be interesting to see what Ellis does if the match is close.

    • kernel_thai

      Second half

      …………………………Naeher
      Mathias…..Sonnett….Sauerbrunn…Short
      ……………………Colaprico
      …………Brian…………Mewis
      Dunn…………..Williams……………..Ohai

      • Would love to see Press take Williams under her wing with the NT. They seem like they could form a good partnership.

  • Guest-Bob

    Matthias, who was only used at RB so that Seattle could go into a 3 back, called up as a defender. Fits the attacking OB but she was not a great defender. Gave up several PKs. Mathias over teammate (and DOTY) Barnes? Oh boy.

    • kernel_thai

      Mathias played OB at KC

      • JL

        Until about halfway through the first season, when she got moved up top and Mewis moved to OB.

        • kernel_thai

          Which I took as them doing a solid for Sermanni or helping Mewis in her NT position more than they liked Mathias less than Mewis.

    • Lord Autumn-Bottom

      Also disappointed with picking Mathias over Barnes, but hey, good for her. Hustle seems to be a common theme for a lot of these new call-ups.

  • J

    I’m glad there is new fresh blood. I’m hoping seeing them first hand in training will truly show Ellis she has better outside backs to choose from. I personally think Williams is 2012 Morgan 2.0. So much more pace than Alex and a similar game just with a dominant different foot. Christen Press has her own lane, she’s dynamic, has pace, and unpredictable. Ohai, 3rd lung, pace, gets back on d, but always takes her opportunities on offense lately. Groom has the tenacity of Leroux, but brains and technical finishing as well. Dunn, pace, can be incredible, turns on a dime, and I’m sure will turn up with all this new blood around.

    • kernel_thai

      Williams reminds me more of Leroux than Morgan

  • DNG

    I wish they would have brought along another CB but I don’t have too many complaints about the roster. Ellis is doing exactly what a coach should doing in the the off years, evaluating talent. Maybe not having a 10 game VT will end up being a blessing in disguise.

  • ABCDE

    hwo is switzerland defense?

    • JL

      Unless they’ve changed things since last year, it’s….. not very fast. Lack of speed in defense killed them at the WC. And this US roster has speed for days up top.

      • dw

        Or that good. Two world class attacking players, then a big drop on the depth chart after that…

      • kernel_thai

        they’ve got some speed at the fullback but I think Maritz is injured. Humm is quick tho. Not too quick in the center of defense tho. Is Bachmann still hurt as well?

  • Ethan

    I get what multiple posters are saying about Morgan; however, so many people have said that Ellis is under obligation to play her all the time. That’s clearly not the case, and after only playing a half against the Netherlands after one half against Thailand, I have to say that I was expecting her to not be on the roster.

    • DNG

      Does it really matter that much? I’d prefer it if these were games that Heath, Brian, Press, Dunn, O’hara, Lloyd and Sauerbrunn did not play in. Ellis needs to use this year to evaluate as much talent as she can. If Morgan is left out in the January camp, then I think there would be cause for concern.

      • Ethan

        I’m just saying that people’s arguments for thinking Morgan’s spot is not in trouble don’t quite make sense when all those names you’ve mentioned have been called up. I mean, someone brought up Morgan’s injury prone history over the last few years. What about Brian having injury issues the whole season? Wouldn’t you want to rest her up more when Morgan’s not shown any injury issues since the start of the NWSL season?

        • DNG

          It’s one camp, I expect her to be back. I don’t know the full extent of any of the players injury history this year or their current status. I don’t know exactly why Ellis chose the players she did and think it’s way too early to speculate as to who is going to be in Ellis’ plans for the future.

          • Ethan

            Alright. I just find it funny that not so long ago people were saying that Morgan would always start and play the full 90 or at least very close to it. Even though it was understandable and not telling, she didn’t start against Puerto Rico in qualifying or Colombia in the World Cup. People still said that she always has to start and play the full 90. However, she only played 45 against Thailand and the Netherlands. Thailand is understandable, but I think the last time a fully healthy Morgan played less than like 50 or so minutes against a higher ranked opponent like the Netherlands was in 2012. Now that she’s not selected for the matches against Switzerland, people are coming up with reasons that don’t quite make sense when Lloyd, Horan, Brian, Heath, and co are still in the squad. I know that it’s very unlikely that this will happen, but I’m wondering what people will come up with if Morgan’s not on the 2017 SheBelieves Cup roster.

          • Anon

            she has been playing well for the national team. there’s really no reason to drop her. i suspect she is just resting. lloyd and sauerbrunn are there because they are captains. the rest are in a competition.

          • DNG

            “I’m wondering what people will come up with if Morgan’s not on the 2017 SheBelieves Cup roster.”

            I don’t see that happening but even if she were to be left of that squad I don’t think that would definitively rule her out for 2019. If she was left off WC qualifier rosters and the SBC roster the year of the WC, then I think you could conclude that she is not in Ellis’ plans.

          • ABCDE

            Morgan is way too big of a marketing pull, still, to boot her off rosters. Like it or not she is the face of US Soccer. I get that kids will move onto the new thing, but they need wins and exposure under their belt before that will happen.

          • mockmook

            Jeez Ethan, you’ve gone full-NYRick regarding Alex.

            Relax…

        • Steglitz49

          They are mixing and matching their Morgans.

          At this stage alex is more likely than Moe to be blessed but anything can happen — and sometimes does.

      • Andy

        They should have at minimum one veteran on each line to hold things steady. Something like….
        Campbell
        Short Sauerbrunn Dahlkemper Gilliland
        Colaprico Brian
        Ohai Lloyd Dunn
        Williams

        • DNG

          What does it matter? Who cares if the team wins or loses. The whole point of calling up 11 new players should be to test and evaluate them. They need to play significant minutes.

          • Ethan

            But that reasoning doesn’t make sense when you look at who is on the squad. I know I’m reading too much into this, but this roster shows to me that Ellis may well evaluate players like Lloyd, Heath, Sauerbrunn, and Brian more highly than Morgan right now.

          • DNG

            I’m just giving my opinion on this. That doesn’t mean that Ellis will actually share it. I won’t care about the results of these matches at all if these new players all get significant minutes. Maybe Ellis just wants some veterans in the camp to help nurture the new players. Maybe Ellis is sending Morgan a message that she needs to step up and improve her game. I honestly have no idea what Ellis is thinking.

          • Gary Diver

            Alex Morgan has nothing to gain or prove by playing these matches. Ellis knows exactly what Morgan can do and what can be expected of her. Also, she is injury prone. Now is the time to look at other forwards without them seeing Morgan over their shoulders.

          • DNG

            Even if all of those starters get significant minutes I think you are looking a too much into this. It’s just one camp and 2 matches.

          • kernel_thai

            For me the question r the following:
            1) can she upgrade at outside back
            2) who gets the 4th CB spot
            3) Who gets the GK spot

            Beyond that I think someone has to wow her

          • mockmook

            New blood at mid-flank — except she didn’t bring in any “pure” mid-flanks.

            Also, decide on a CAM — unfortunately, she didn’t bring in a new “pure” CAM either.

          • kernel_thai

            Well she called all the usual suspects at CM so Im not sure what u do with Sullivan or Colaprico. Did she did 7 CMs? As to mid flank she must be expecting all those forwards to play there. I mean her formation only uses 1 actual forward and she called 5 + Dunn

            Oh, wait :facepalm: I just remembered Ellis doesnt believe in positions. : )

          • mockmook

            This is what you do with Sullivan/Colaprico:

            http://disq.us/p/1ckvm9l

            BTW, not saying JE uses my formations, but even JE is known to go away from the 4-2-3-1

            And, with all these new players, it is even more likely she will try something “new” with her formation.

          • kernel_thai

            My point is other than Lloyd who is there to waive at the crowd, the rest of the CMs were brought in to get work. That doesnt leave a lot of space for two more CMs to get work. Frankly Im surprised both Long and Brian r in. I would have split them between the two camps.

          • Gary Diver

            “What does it matter?”

            YES! Ask Tom Sermanni. Too many young, new players not anchored by some veterans is a recipe for disappointment and negative payback.

          • HOFCToDi

            The USWNT bombed at the 2014 Algarve Cup.

      • kernel_thai

        I think the key to evaluating these players is see how they play with other members of the full team not to just throw them against a bunch of internationals. That’s why I believe these two friendlies will feature a high percentage of the contract players starting so the new people can just blend in.

        • DNG

          I don’t think you worry about integrating the new player in yet. I say let them play and see who stands out

          • kernel_thai

            If that’s all u want then watch NWSL games. U want to see who fits the system and who works well with ur regulars…or at least I would.

          • DNG

            The regulars might not be starters in 2019. Even if they are the first thing Ellis needs to do is see who can stick. She can worry about integrating new players into the squad after the initial evaluations. There’s plenty of time now. I agree with seeing who fits into the system although I’m really not a huge fan of the current system.

    • Well, Carli did say this week that after October friendlies, she is done with the NT for the year. I suspect that she took this “shift” and Morgan will get the other 2 friendlies for the year. Really not reading into this much.

      • ABCDE

        what are the other two friendlies?

        • 2 west coast November games is the rumor. Nothing announced but they are due 2 more before the end of the year.

  • Arcie Tillydee

    Four new defender call-ups…but no Emily Menges, probably the league’s best CB this season. The mind boggles…

  • Andy

    So Barnes wins NWSL defender of the year, but teammate Mathias gets the call-up.

    • J

      My mistake replied on the top to your comment

  • J

    We are getting torched on the flanks Mathias is faster. Notice our outside back call ups and what they have in common, pace. Lauren is not fast.

    • Andy

      Ha! Good point! I for one can’t wait to see the first starting XI with this squad!

  • Gary Diver

    About Time!

    A number of us have been screaming to see Ellis call up several new players. This is much better than I expected – overall a very good call-up.

    Notes:

    1. Shea Groom, Kealia Ohai, Lynn Williams are great call-ups and a vote of confidence for NWSL. (I’ve been a big supporter for Groom and Ohai, and I also like Williams.)

    2. Good for Casey Short, who is a good player with great potential. (Also good that Krieger, Klingenberg, and JJ are staying home. If JJ cannot improve on some of her shortcomings, she should not make the WC19 roster.)

    3. Interesting that Abby Dahlkemper (who has many supporters) was called up while her WNY teammate Jaelene Hinkle was not.

    4. Three college players: Jane Campell, Andi Sullivan, and Ashley Hatch. (Where is Savannah Jordan and Rose Lavelle? I know nothing about Ashley Hatch.)

    5. Jane Campell has been suggested as a possible WC19 GK for well over a year.

    • kernel_thai

      ^. As Ive mentioned before Ellis has a good book on Hinke and no reason the look at her here. Im surprised Colaprico was called for same reason. I guess there were fewer choices.

      • Gary Diver

        The Danny Colaprico situation is a mystery. When she was called up at the end of November there were reports of her not being completely healthy. Later she withdrew from the U23 roster for the same reason. But I never saw an actual detailed discussion of her injuries. So maybe this is just a case of a healthy Colaprico getting a look-see.

        • Steglitz49

          Let’s hope so because sentimentality has no place in pro-WoSo.

      • Gary Diver

        Relevant comments about Colaprico’s injuries by me from 6 months ago.

        “Colaprico’s injury history is a mystery. Back in the fall, Jill Ellis gave an interview talking about possible future USWNT call-ups. Surprisingly, she explicitly mentioned Colaprico by name as someone she wanted to look at but couldn’t because she was currently injured. So no call-up and interestingly also no information on the Internet about Colaprico’s injury.

        Colaprico gets called up for the January camp, but eventually gets decommissioned without playing a minute on the field. No one says anything about what happened or didn’t happen.

        Then Colaprico, Rose Lavelle, and Andi Sullivan get called-up for the U23 team, but almost immediately Colaprico is dropped because of an unspecified injury.

        The Chicago Red Stars have never mentioned any injuries and she is now in pre-season with them. It’s a bit mysterious.”

        • VaFan51

          Colaprico had some sort of knee-related injury. I was at the CRS-WAS match in mid-summer and she almost didn’t play — her leg was heavily taped and she spent extra time with the trainer just before the introductions. One of those situations where the trainer has hands on hips, watching Danny change directions.
          I have no inside scoop, but I think the Olympics break came at a great time for her. She looked much better after the Olympics — certainly less tape.

          • kernel_thai

            The second hand stories about Colaprico and Lavelle coming out of last years camp was they were having trouble with the speed of play. Allie Long was told the same thing before she was disappeared.

  • VaFan51

    For the cynics amongst us: Is there any chance that one of the Switzerland matches is in Utah might have influenced the Hatch choice? I think the Ohai selection can stand on its own, but less confident of the Hatch selection.

    • JL

      Hatch is currently the top scorer in the NCAA this season with 15 goals. There is some merit to her selection.

      • Gary Diver

        Is that nearly 2 GPM?

        • Steglitz49

          GPM = goals per minute?

          • guest

            Per match: (15 goals) / (6 weeks played X 2 matches per week) = 1.25 GPM.

  • atalba

    The entire senior team of starters and regular subs could use a break. I suspect they will change in the next round of camp, along with more younger players. There is rightfully a heavy proportion of NWSL players new to the pool. I suspect we’ll see more collegiate players next year. I’m still rooting for Sofia Huerta to get a look.

    Andi Sullivan is the best DM in the country and will be in the middle for all of the real games in the future for years.

    • ABCDE

      Stop trying to make Huerta happen

    • Hey Mang

      SH plays for Mexico.

      • JL

        Huerta never played in an official game for Mexico, only friendlies. So she is still eligible to play for both the US and Mexico.

        • Steglitz49

          She played up to U23 but not as a senior. Sofia does not feel Mexican but she had better try to because the USWNT is beyond her. High time to swallow her pride and mug up on he Spanish.

          • Ethan

            JL is right; Huerta has played for the senior Mexican NT. However, she didn’t play in an official FIFA match; so, she is eligible to play for the US.

          • Steglitz49

            The point is that she is not in danger of playing for the USA so she might as well bend her knee and join Mexico if she wants to play NT soccer.

          • atalba

            Top ten in scoring 2 years in a row. 2nd only to CP on her team 2 years in a row. 2016: SH 7 goals on 35 SH. CP 8 goals on 62 SH.

  • Ethan

    Richly deserved call up for Ohai. Would have liked to have seen Killion called up, but I knew that was going to be very unlikely.

    • kernel_thai

      I think we might see Killion in Nov along with Menges and maybe DiBernardo.

  • Katie Curtiss

    Not surprising that some mainstays on the team like Alex Morgan, JJ, have been left off the roster. Jill Ellis has openly said in a couple of interviews that in order to get looks at new players, she is going to intentionally leave off a few mainstay players for certain camps, they aren’t cut, they are still on the team. It’s just she knows what they can do, she just wants to see what others that are new can do as well. I’m not worried.

    • Gary Diver

      Alex Morgan and JJ’s situations are not equivalent. JJ has a number of shortcomings that need to be improved including getting caught out on counter-attacks and poor passing. She does not have great speed and her set piece role is not what it was before Horan and Long made spots for themselves. I could easily see JJ not making the WC19 roster if she doesn’t make significant improvements.

      • dw

        Yeah, but Alex is in the EEOC grievance, whereas JJ is not…

        • Steglitz49

          EEOC?

          • mockmook

            Is your google machine broken again?

          • guest

            the equal pay complaint filed by the uswntpa against the ussf. morgan is a member of the uswnt gang of five. which is now the gang of four.

          • guest

            with the hope solo termination.

          • Steglitz49

            Thank you for your help. Much obliged.

          • dw

            Equal Employment Opportunity Commission. C’mon Steg, don’t tell me you’re not caught up on the USWNT labor strife. If not you, then who?

      • Katie Curtiss

        I’m just simply saying mainstays that are on the team now, there is a reason that they aren’t on this training camp roster, Morgan’s and JJ’s names were the first that came to mind.
        I’m essentially also saying whether people like to admit it or not, Ellis knows what she is doing and is trying to prepare a little better for when 2019 comes so we don’t have another meltdown like we did at the OGs.

  • Guest

    Shea Groom and Merritt Mathias together – oh boy

  • Silver Frost

    After all is said and done, how many of these newbies are going to be at WC19? Two or three maybe? Don’t forget Leroux and A-Rod are allegedly coming back. Maybe Solo.

    • CED

      Leroux and Arod were marginal before leave. They will be replaced

      • Steglitz49

        ARod and Leroux are returning in order to keep their maternity pay.

        • CED

          Said before, they will brought back by law, can;t get fired for going on leave. Yhey will then be replaced after given a chance. They were the last 2 forwards on the depth chart before leaving.

          • Steglitz49

            Which is that which i wrote in less words but never mind. It bears repeating that some ladies do have them.

          • CED

            “ARod and Leroux are returning in order to keep their maternity pay.”..Your statement is not the same thing,

  • I wonder how early camp with open before the game on the 19th. Surprised we already got the roster unless it opens next week sometime. Jill may want to make it a little longer to evaluate all these new players. And the ones who are in the Championship game may get a few more days off in between.

  • kernel_thai

    I dont think there is any message here for the veterans except one. The team has looked tired and this is a good opportunity. The only message being sent here is to Rapinoe who certainly isnt tired after having eight months off. This is a wake up call for Rapinoe.

    • Yea that one is pretty obvious. If not for the National Anthem thing, Pinoe would be here because Jill would want to get her back into NT quality play. She has had so long off now. Will she feature heavily for this team again? I wouldn’t bet on it.

      • guest

        I’m guessing Rapinoe is done due to age.

        • She is making it easier on Jill and USSF, that’s for sure.

      • CED

        Rapinoe was the walking dead in the OG. Has anything much changed since. What did she show for club? Not much.

    • AlexH

      If the gal that was sooooooo good that she had to be deployed even if she could only hop on one foot is now in need of a wake up call, serious questions need to be asked of both Jill and Pinoe.

      • God, I still can’t believe Pinoe went to Rio and played and was subbed on to be subbed off and that any of that tournament actually happened. Totally blocked it out for a while.

    • CED

      I’m so sick of this tired BS. Heard that junk during OG. They miss almost 1/2 the leaue games which plays 1 game a week 80% of the time. For club and country they play what 30 games a yr at most. top international men play 60 plus

      • Ethan

        Well, they didn’t miss half the league games, but I have to say that I don’t get all this talk about needing rest either. (Then again, a lot of the times, I don’t completely buy top male players that play 60+ games each year needing rest either.)

        • kernel_thai

          I dont think theyve looked sharp since SBC. Think they a r both physically and mentally tired. A lot of the mistakes they r making r mental. Peopl;e r talking about Sauerbrunn losing a step by I think she is losing focus. Sometimes u just need to shut it down and clear ur head.

          • Ethan

            I suppose that’s fair enough. I still don’t like the idea of resting just for the sake of resting.

          • kernel_thai

            Well they basically play friendlies at this time of year just to make ends meet. They could just as easily give them the rest of the year off and start fresh in Jan. At least this way they r learning something.

          • mockmook

            Brian was interviewed at half-time of a recent UVa game.

            My first thought was: She seems/looks so exhausted — grinding out yet one more personal appearance…

      • Paul Klee

        Men could ( but likely would not) play 80 to 90 matches a year between league, multiple domestic cups, Europa and/or Champions league and National team call ups.

  • AlexH

    I know it wont happen considering Horan is listed as an MF but this is what I would like to see up top. FWD: Ohai, Horan, Dunn and MF: Colaprico, Mewis and Brian. I want to see what the youngsters can do and Switzerland is just the right level of challenge to see what they got.

    • kernel_thai

      Well if wishes could be fishes put me down for this…Id like to see Horan in Lloyds spot. Something like this would be fun to defend

      ………………..Dunn
      ……………………………Horan
      Ohai…………..Press………………………Heath
      …………………………Brian

      • DNG

        If Horan and Dunn are your forwards I wouldn’t start Press. Press is not a central midfielder. Colaprico and Long are both better options. I really want to see if Andi Sullivan gets some game time.

        • kernel_thai

          I love Press as an attacking mid. and she’d be on my first choice IX no matter who was available. She could sit at the top of the box waiting for a cut back of a ball to pop out and make secondary runs thru. How do u mark that with Dunn or Morgan going thru first and Press coming behind? And behind all that movement u have Horan in a false 9 looking to get her head on a cross or cleaning up the garbage. ANd if they pack the box u have Ohai, Pugh or Heath using all that empty space.

          • DNG

            Press is not an attacking mid even if she’s pretty good a dropping into midfield. If teams are really good at pressing like England the US still has major problems getting the forwards the ball. If other teams sit in like Sweden and make the spaces in front of their goal really tight, Morgan and Dunn’s speed is much less effective and there is no target in the box.

          • kernel_thai

            In this scenario Press would be part of the top pair in the 4-4-2 defense while Horan would be the attacking mid that drops back into central defense. Also with this type of fire power I would be less concerned about getting my backs deep into the attack which would help with the counter. Now there still would be concerns advancing the ball thru the middle third but hey, Im doing this for free.

          • mockmook

            “In this scenario Press would be part of the top pair in the 4-4-2 defense while Horan would be the attacking mid that drops back into central defense.”

            This is indecipherable.

      • dw

        Sub out Press. Sub in Long.

  • Steglitz49

    Why on earth persist with these midgets in goal? Good grief! Have they learnt nothing from OG-16?

    The goal is the same size for the ladies as the men. The great Gordon Banks stood 6’1″. Why handicap yourself by giving away 4″ in height which means 8″ in spread. Manuel Neuer is 6’4″.

    All we can do is draw a sheet over the corpse and walk on.

    • How tall is Jane Campbell?

      • wolf

        5’9″

        • Steglitz49

          Too short by at least 2″ and preferably 4-7″.

          • FawcettFan14

            Sorry to burst your bubble but the best goalkeepers in WoSo history have been about 5’9″. Solo, Scurry, Angerer, Nordby, Rottenberg, McLeod, Gao Hong, the list goes on. None of them are over six feet.

            Height is an asset but clearly not a requirement.

      • HOFCToDi

        en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hope_Solo

        Hope Solo – 5 ft 9 in

        en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Campbell_(soccer)

        Jane Campbell – 5 ft 9 in

    • guest

      I don’t think you understand gender differences in height.. take a look at height percentiles. In the US, 6’4″ for men is the 98th percentile. For women, 5’10” is the 98th percentile. So, Jane Campell at 5’9″ is pretty decent, maybe comparable to a 6’2″-3″ male keeper.

      • Steglitz49

        Candace Parker is 6’4″ and Lisa Leslie 6’5″ and that Volleyball player Kara Lowe is 6’4″.

        Your insistence in justifying nonsense is one of the reasons why WoSo does not hack it in the market place.

        The goals are the same size for the ladies as the man. Understood?!!!!

        • guest

          And there are 7′ tall men’s basketball players, who presumably will have the wingspan to cover even more of the goal! By your logic, shouldn’t Germany then drop puny 6’4″ Manuel Neuer and sign 7 footer Dirk Nowitzki as the new german keeper?

          • Steglitz49

            Please register yourself so we can follow your comments.

            It is inane comments like yours that does endless damage to WoSo.

            WoSo suffers from a refusal to face reality on many and various planes, and this one is one of the most obvious ones. A slam dunk, Lisa Leslie and candace Parker might say. Don’t know the volleyball terminology.

          • HOFCToDi

            Steglitz49 is an idiot. Michael Jordan and Charles Barkley were not seven foot basketball players.

            youtube.com/watch?v=I_FCBeNewcA

          • HOFCToDi

            Steglitz49 is an idiot. Sweden did not qualify for the 2010 FIFA World Cup. Sweden did not qualify for the 2014 FIFA World Cup. What does Steglitz49 know about international association football except his country sitting at home during the FIFA World Cup.

        • CED

          LOL. 6’4 for men in bball is what guards are, Steph Curry is 6’3 and is considered a small player. 6’3 -6’4 for women is a forward in most cases.

          • Steglitz49

            The greatest goalie of them all, Gordon Banks, stood 6’1″ as I typed at the beginning of my thread.

            WoSo field players have a right not to be handicapped between the posts and crossbar before a ball is kicked.

            Find the 5’11” to 6’4″ players now instead of in 2023!

          • Steg Patrol

            Stegtroll assumes men and women are equal in average height. A false assumption. Troll on. Stegtroll has never complained about short Japanese GKs.

          • HOFCToDi

            Sweden did not qualify a women’s basketball team for the 2016 Rio Olympics. Steglitz49 is attempting to compensate for his nation’s failures.

            Sweden did not qualify a women’s volleyball team for the 2016 Rio Olympics. Steglitz49 is attempting to compensate for his nation’s failures.

        • guest

          How tall is Hope? I’m perfectly fine with the height of keepers.

        • FlyingSquirrel42

          Sure, but none of them are soccer players. If any of them ever were, I’m guessing they gave it up after high school.

          Basketball is still more popular than soccer in the U.S., so it’s probably going to be the #1 destination for taller athletes most of the time. Until there’s a taller goalkeeper with an actual demonstrated record of playing as well as Naeher, Harris, Campbell, Franch, etc., I don’t see this being a factor.

          • Lorehead

            Or volleyball. Comparative advantage? Still, there are going to be enough tall girls who play soccer. China has enough of them, despite a lower average height.

    • Hans Castorp

      They all signed up for volleyball or basketball on gym day.

      • Steglitz49

        “Very interesting, but stupid” — springs to mind. “We ahve ways of making you laugh!”

      • HOFCToDi

        The women’s national teams that actually won medals at the 2016 Rio Olympics.

    • Some Termanni

      I agree with Steglitz49 that Jami Kranich and Libby Stout should be the USWNT #1 and #2 keepers. The only question is whether Yael Averbruch, Rachel Wood, or Jess McDonald should be #3.

      • Steglitz49

        Thank you. Always listen to S49. S/he types the truth in love, allegedly.

      • Steglitz49

        Yawn.

    • AlexH

      I’m sure there are taller female GK’s in the USA and if they were good enough they would be on the team. I agree in THEORY that taller is better but I need to actually see a flesh and blood example of a 6′ + gal who is better than our current incumbents before being convinced.

      • Steglitz49

        You obviously did not watch OG-16 and not every able young lady in the USA can be headed for the fleshpots of the WNBA and Vladimir Putin.

      • HOFCToDi

        Hope Solo – 5 ft 9 in

        Height is overrated. End of story.

        • rkmid71

          Dammit. How did China find Zhao Lina?!! 6ft 2in and quick and agile too.

          • HOFCToDi

            How many FIFA Women’s World Cup Golden Glove Awards has Zhao Lina won?

          • HOFCToDi

            2016 Rio Olympics
            Women’s Preliminary Round Group B
            USA 105 CHN 62

            rio2016.com/en/basketball-womens-preliminary-round-group-b-bk-13

          • rkmid71

            My vision is a Maya Moore type in goal. 6′, 175 lbs. She dunked at 16 yrs old. She was a high jumper. 4.0 GPA. She can move her hands at the striking speed of a rattlesnake. Team player. Work ethic. There’s got to be 1 that chooses soccer over basketball.

          • HOFCToDi

            Why?

            United States women’s national basketball team

            Olympic Games
            Gold Medal – 1996, 2000, 2004, 2008, 2012, 2016

          • HOFCToDi

            You can watch Casey Murphy suffer from shellshock at the 2016 FIFA U-20 Women’s World Cup.

            ussoccer.com/players/2014/04/28/16/10/casey-murphy#tab-1

            At least Jane Campbell survived the shooting galley at the 2012 FIFA U-17 Women’s World Cup.

            fifa.com/u17womensworldcup/matches/round=258195/match=300204242/report.html

            fifa.com/u17womensworldcup/matches/round=258195/match=300204242/statistics.html

            fifa.com/u17womensworldcup/matches/round=258195/match=300204232/report.html

            fifa.com/u17womensworldcup/matches/round=258195/match=300204232/statistics.html

          • rkmid71

            I was relieved to see that Murphy was a “sub not used” when Japan U20s shellacked the US 5-0 in PNG back in May and when Brazil beat them 2-0 in September. I’m underwhelmed with the US defense in front of her. Agree she will need to come up big for the US to win. I think she’s capable. We shall see.

          • HOFCToDi

            The minimum salary in the WNBA for rookies is $35,190.

            en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_National_Basketball_Association#Salaries_and_salary_caps

          • Steglitz49

            Vladimir Putin’s cronies will supplement that — and without need to drop your kit to boot.

          • rkmid71

            Taurasi gets paid $1.5m. Evidently, she got paid $200k to NOT play in the WNBA last season. Brittney Griner got paid $1m and plays on same team. I think top WNBA players make about $110k — during the 5 month season. Many WNBA players supplement their income by playing overseas during other times of year — eg China, Turkey, Italy, Russia. Taurasi’s team is in Yekaterinburg, 1,000 miles from Moscow. Basically in the middle of nowhere. Evidently, the locals pack the place, but don’t pay much if anything in rubles or $. But they enjoy getting into a warm place out of the cold for some free entertainment. And it’s good advertising for the corporate sponsor, a big copper mining company.

          • kernel_thai

            U made that rattlesnake thing up : )

          • Steglitz49

            It sounded good and was a powerful image with great bite.

          • Steglitz49

            Verily and forsooth. Houndstooth.

          • Steglitz49

            You took the words right out of my mouth.

        • Steglitz49

          Garbage. It is this sort of asinine assertions that brings WoSo into disrepute.

          Instead of using obvious solutions to obvious shortcomings WoSo diehards rabbit on and defend nonsense.

      • HOFCToDi

        U-20 USWNT

        Casey Murphy

        ussoccer.com/players/2014/04/28/16/10/casey-murphy#tab-1

        Brooke Heinsohn

        ussoccer.com/players/2015/04/17/16/15/brooke-heinsohn#tab-1

  • CED

    The mistake Ellis made was not leaving off the turnover and foul machine, Lloyd

  • Jen

    So which new player will last?

    • guest1

      I would say outside back and another midfielder.

    • guest2

      I don’t think Williams, Ohai and Groom are better than Morgan, Dunn and Press.

      • Steglitz49

        Does that pass the body-paint-test?

      • guest

        but are they better than the other uswnt backups of rodriguez, leroux and rapinoe? that is the question. they are certainly younger and healthier and less drama.

        • Steglitz49

          ARod has never been much drama.

  • Hoping Casey Short unseats Kling for the LB spot. Kling has been bad for way too long now.

    • Steglitz49

      I simply hope that Casey gets to play in the NT. I don’t mind who in defense of DM gets stuffed in favor of Ms Short.

  • Jen

    I wouldn’t be shocked if Krieger and Rapinoe never came back.

    • GNC

      I wouldn’t be surprised if both were among the other players that Ellis told weren’t in future plans.

      • I would be for Pinoe only because of the everything Jill did to ensure Pinoe was on the Rio roster.

        • GNC

          That’s right. Wasn’t thinking of that. She may get her chance in the next camp, though. Still wouldn’t be surprised if she was phased out – there are other, younger, wide options.

    • CED

      Krieger was already being phased out in 2016. Rapinoe was not missed being hurt as there were plenty of wide options. Each has limited time left, if any.

  • maddoxhightower

    That’s what Kaepernicking in USWNT does to you, Megan.

    • Guest

      How horrible, someone protesting a horrible issue in today’s society

      • mockmook

        No, she’s forcing her employers and her colleagues to be part of her protest — IT’S NOT THEIR CAUSE, it’s hers. She’s being very selfish, very self centered.

        She’s paid to play — not to protest — you protest on your own time.

        • kernel_thai

          Anyone upset about this treatment can simply take a knee in front of their tv set during the anthem for these friendlies.

      • guest

        you should let rapinoe protest on the front lawn of your house to help the cause.

      • maddoxhightower

        “A horrible issue” based on lies, that is.

    • FlyingSquirrel42

      I doubt that has anything to do with it. She’s just one of several veterans not included in this camp.

      • kernel_thai

        U would think a player looking to regain form and fitness coming off knee surgery and out of club season would be in all the camps. This is a punioshment. Had all things been equal Id have expected Heath to be on rest break and Rapinoe in camp.

    • dw

      Specifically grandstanding in lieu of putting country or soccer as your #1 priority. Happy trails.

  • Fred

    Tobin has be happy. Only true flank player. She screwed out of the MVP today.

    • DNG

      Ohai’s not a true flank player?

      • smallchief

        I think McDonald should have been MVP — but I won’t complain much about Williams winning.

    • Eh, she had a fantastic season but it would I am ok with it since she missed a quarter of the games due to OG’s.

    • Sal

      Not going lie. I’m salty she didn’t win MVP. Every year doesn’t have go top goal scorer. Passers are good as well. Tobin is best flank midfielder now.

      • Ethan

        To go along with your statement about passers, maybe you should specifically say set piece takers are good as well. I think those accounted for half of Heath’s assists. (For all of her set piece ability, I don’t think her crosses in the run of play are consistently good.)

        Holiday and Little racked up a lot of assists in their wins as well, and the majority of people agreed with Dunn’s win. Going off of Holiday’s and Little’s stats when they won, people should maybe feel more salty about McDonald, rather than Heath, not winning.

        • AnotherGuest

          Do set piece goals count any differently than regular ones? Heath had a goal and 10 assists in 14 matches. I might not have voted for her but her numbers stand on their own even if all 10 assists were from set pieces. Heath is not a consistent crosser but her role on the team was hardly limited to that and I wouldn’t say she was looking cross a lot anyways. I doubt there were many players with more key passes this year even though she missed 5 matches

          • Ethan

            No, they don’t count differently, but when you hear/see statements like “Passers are good as well”, you think of players who consistently set up goals and plays from the run of play. (Not saying Heath doesn’t.) Your first thought isn’t someone who gets quite a few assists from set plays. I just wanted to make that distinction.

          • DNG

            I don’t completely agree with you or AnotherGuest but here’s my .02 on this topic. Making a great pass is hardly limited to delivering a final ball. Truly great passers are alway great to the point you that it’s more noticeable when they make a poor pass than it is when they make a great one. I don’t put Heath or really any WoSo player in that category but players like Heath and Brian are two players who I consider very good passers at the moment.

            As far as generating chances from the run of play I agree with you that good players create from the run of play. However, assists don’t always give a clear picture of whether or not a player is good at creating chances since a good pass doesn’t show up as an assist without the finish.

            I would definitely point out Heath had an advantage on set plays because of her targets in the beginning of the season with Dagny and Horan. I’m not as sure it was as much of an advantage when Long was scoring the same number of goals on set plays. When all is said and done she may have an advantage by being a primary set piece taker but so do all of the other teams set piece takers and she still needs to execute the plays. The other thing to point out is that these set plays need to be drilled relentlessly to be effective. Even when practiced often set pieces do not frequently yield goals.

          • Ethan

            Right, but I’m pretty sure that “passers are good as well” from the original poster clearly references Heath’s assist numbers. That’s why I noted that a number of Heath’s assists have come from set plays. No doubt that Heath and her targets deserve a lot of credit for pulling off goals from those set plays. (I know about the point you make in your second paragraph. In my defense of Morgan, I made a related point on her deserving more than one assist on the season, and you said that could be applied to other players. I recognized your point, but I still feel that that happened more often with Morgan than a number of other players.)

      • guest

        She could be up for an Oscar though, judging by her flops.

        • guest

          tobin heath is the arjen robben of women’s soccer in that way.

    • Steglitz49

      Can you be screwed out of something?

    • Arcie Tillydee

      Tobin’s perhaps my favorite player in WoSo and an absolute force, but while I think the Williams selection was silly, I didn’t support Tobes for MVP, either. You can only be SO valuable to your team when you miss 25% of their games in the season.

    • newouth

      She screwed out of the MVP today. – Oh brother.

  • #1Fan

    Read the comments on the USSF site. Re-enforces the belief that the fee paying public come to see celebrities and NOT a game of soccer. the outrage that certain vets are not in the squad is amazing. Trying to develop top teams in this environment is very hard.

    • rkmid71

      Only 15k and 10k fans showed up with all the vets in the last two friendlies post OG. How much worse can they do?

      • #1Fan

        im with you . Im just shocked at the responses from people. We both know that WoSo just does not move the needle in the USA. patriotism does come OLY or WC time. Thats the bottom line.

        People on this site who really care about the sport are in the minority. Most just want to take their 10 yr old so they can say I saw Alex Morgan

        • rkmid71

          Resistance to change is universal. Change requires faith. Faith is much easier to believe and even to preach, than it is to live by. OG was embarrassing. Time to change. I really care about WoSo progressing.

          • Steglitz49

            The WoSo Church has never taught that its members must hold all the beliefs that EQ commentators hold.

          • rkmid71

            Free will is a good thing. “A football team is like a beautiful woman. When you do not tell her, she forgets she is beautiful.” ~ Arsène Wenger

          • HOFCToDi

            Merritt Mathias is not progress unless the USWNT wants the American version of Melissa Tancredi. Now Kayla Mills (USC) would be progress.

          • rkmid71

            If you’re right, hopefully natural selection will run its course and Mills will get her shot. I’m assuming we’ll see more college players later in the year. I’m expecting Jordan and others.

      • AlexH

        Zero.

        • rkmid71

          Theoretically. But I’m sure Ashley Hatch’s family and friends will show up in Utah. And Lynn Williams Cali friends and family … they can stop in Vegas to party on the way. And I’m sure all those girls and their families at the fantasy camp in Minnesota are paying for tickets and will attend. Along with family and friends for the other 11 newbies — especially since they have a good shot of actually playing in the game.

          • kernel_thai

            U can probably pencil in the Ohai family for the Utah match. They made the trip to Japan to watch the U20 final.

    • Yea I did too. Was really surprised about that actually.

    • guest

      us soccer marketing effort focuses on the “stars” (Morgan etc) so no real surprise that ticket buying public is upset when “stars” like Morgan are left off.

      • Steglitz49

        no need for citation marks when referring to Alex

  • Paul Klee

    Well she called up the maximum number of non-USWNT pros that she could.

  • VaFan51

    This seems an interesting moment to look back at the U.S. U-20 lineup that played Germany in the WC final in 2012:

    USA: 1-Bryane Heaberlin; 4-Crystal Dunn, 8-Julie Johnston (capt.), 3-Cari Roccaro,
    2-Mollie Pathman; 16-Sarah Killion (14-Mandy Laddish, 89), 10-Vanessa
    DiBernardo, 6-Morgan Brian; 7-Kealia Ohai, 12-Katie Stengel (9-Chioma
    Ubogagu, 60), 5-Maya Hayes (13-Samantha Mewis, 68)

    • Steglitz49

      Indeed. 4-5 years on, what do we have?

    • kernel_thai

      Another couple of names from this team. Kassey Kallman and Roccaro alternated starts in the group stage at CB. Abby Smith who may get a chance with the NT was a backup GK. And Lindsey Horan hurt her knee earlier that summer and had been the teams leading scorer that year.

  • Some Termanni

    Another groundbreaking Jill Ellis roster bound for many impressive firsts. Gonna run down some records with this roster. Most fouls called, most yellows, most off-frame shots, most offsides calls are all within reach.

    • Steglitz49

      Might beat those pesky Turnips they came across in Brasilia though.

  • dw

    These games became more interesting, and not just because they’re the last before the USWNT strike. The new faces, plus the absence of players in the grievance, give a some credence to a conspiracy theory that if the negotiations go sideways, that new, younger faces can fit the bill. And they’ll have a taste of NWT-dom, and would likely take opportunities in a new-CBA world where there is less pay and less security than current players. (Who have more $$$ and tons of security and claim it’s not enough). Warning shot across the bow by the Federation, with Ellis reading her lines right on cue…

    • Anon

      then why are Sauerbrunn and Lloyd still there.

      • dw

        I think the current CBA calls for a max # of new call ups. And someone needs to put butts in seats. Just because you aren’t doing something to the ultimate maximium potential, doesn’t mean you aren’t doing it

        • JL

          I read somewhere that the max number of non-contracted players that are permitted to be called up at once is 8. Which would explain filling out the roster with some college players, since they don’t count towards those 8 spots.

        • Lorehead

          Close. The 2012 memorandum of understanding (page 111 of the USSF initial filing in its lawsuit against the USWNTPA) specifies that there may be no more than eight non-salaried “floaters” called in at any one time, and that each one may be called in no more than four times or for 42 days. There is no limit on the number of new players the USSF is allowed to call up, if it pays them a salary. It may pay no more than four players a Tier III salary and must pay at least 14 players a Tier I salary.

          Unless I missed it, there is nothing in the CBA that would stop USSF from signing 23 new players to contracts and playing only them. It still had to pay the players on the World Cup roster in 2015, but it wasn’t obligated to play them.

          • kernel_thai

            But u have to assume it resets with the calendar year so anything they do with this group is free.

          • Lorehead

            The entire CBA expires on December 31, anyway.

          • kernel_thai

            I still think management will want to keep playing by those rules as long as the PA is negotiating in good faith.

          • mockmook

            The PA can be negotiating in good faith while simultaneously holding out their players after the CBA expires.

            (Not what I’d recommend to the PA)

          • dw

            At midnight it all turns back into a pumpkin…

          • Paul Klee

            Just a note: if there are 24 players under contract only 4 can be tier III, but if you have 20 tier I or II players you could have another 20 or more tier III players if you wanted.

          • kernel_thai

            In the original contract USSF committed to pay at least $1.28 million for contracts. So while this isnt still the number and while there is room to raise it if the USSF wants there is still some number that is the top end. While the CBA might allow unlimited number of contracts within tier restrictions, their is only so much money the USSF will spend and the contract amounts r set in stone.

          • HOFCToDi

            That is if you live in la la land.

            USWNT International Women’s Friendlies
            Attendance Projections
            Jul – 24,000
            Jul – 24,000
            Sep – 16,000
            Sep – 16,000

            USWNT International Women’s Friendlies
            Attendance Figures
            Jul – 19,272
            Jul – 12,635
            Sep – 10,490
            Sep – 15,652

          • Steglitz49

            Thank you. They are about 22,000 short of predicted.

            Even at only $25 in profit per spectator, that is a shortfall of $550,000 and at $45 per person, it is almost $1 million.

          • Lorehead

            Those projections were conditional on winning Olympic gold.

          • Steglitz49

            Obviously.

            The last match gives room for hope. The next two matches will give a clearer picture.

            I suspect that the American public has realized that only 4-6 NTs can manage a close game with the US. It pales after a while the USWNT winning by scores that you hardly see in NHL games these days.

          • Claude

            The help of the referee was required to beat the Netherlands

          • Steglitz49

            Given that it stood between the NL and Sweden who went to Rio and that but for a Dutch howler in defense, it would have been Holland, that is not so surprising.

            Maybe it is 6-9 teams who can give the USWNT a run for its money these days, but which will the public go along and watch?

          • Lorehead

            No, you’re misreading. There’s a minimum number of Tier I contracts and a minimum number of total contracts, but there’s no maximum.

            Think of it this way: what if the team plane crashed and all the regulars and their families were stranded on a romantic desert island, believed dead but actually enjoying themselves for months before they were found alive, safe and sound? USSF would hire replacements for them, wouldn’t it?

          • kernel_thai

            not a max on the number of contracts…a max on the money. Add a new tier 3 that ‘s$70K + so yeah in theory u could add 10 more bottom tier contracts plus subsidization money if u wanna up the budget $700K. And if u had $700K laying around ud be more inclined to throw that at the current rank and file to get the next CBA signed and tilted a little more to USSF liking.

          • Lorehead

            There’s no such cap on the money.

          • kernel_thai

            They have a budget. The CBA a pretty much a constant in that budget when most everything else is projected. U have x number of contracts at y number of dollars. Last thing theyd want to do is just up the contracts line item by 25%.

            The current CBA negotiations r about the size of the pie. This isnt the Matrix … u just cant say there is no pie. Now that pie may go up a little but at some point it’s about how many ways u slice the pie not hey we’ll bake a second pie.

          • Lorehead

            Okay, so the point you’re making is that US Soccer isn’t willing to lose huge amounts of money on the WNT? Then I agree. My point was just that there’s no cap in the contract; there’s nothing legally stopping them from calling up more than eight new players on Tier III salaries.

          • kernel_thai

            That is exactly my point. They r already going to have to come up with more money in the new CBA cause that’s pretty standard, it certainly isnt the time to also have to come up with additional money to add contracts. In fact it’s the worst time cause ur telling the PA that more money is available. Now if the woman’s game continues to draw well thru the off years and the CBA is a done deal, then it may be time to budget money for more low end developmental contracts and really expand the pool.

          • dw

            Come up with more money? In what universe?

          • Lorehead

            Okay, but there’s a big difference between what you’re saying—US Soccer’s budget for the WNT is based on the fundamentals of its business, and it can’t feasibly spend twice as much or stop guaranteeing the players enough money to live on, no matter what happens in the CBA negotiations—and what some other people are saying, which is that there’s a supposed conspiracy by the veterans to deprive other players of a chance and some supposed clause in the CBA that guarantees this.

            The coach of the USWNT can call up, cap, and evaluate as many new players as she wants. She just can’t call more floaters than contracted players into camp, and she can’t use someone as a regular player while calling her and paying her as a floater.

          • dw

            Something like that. Thanks for the clarification. That positronic brain comes in really handy sometimes.

      • Paul Klee

        They are the captains. They should be there.

        • kernel_thai

          maybe they should have had one in Oct & one in Nov

          • Paul Klee

            I think they need Becky to clarify what the actual expectation of team members is. They might get a different impression from Carli Lloyd.

          • AlexH

            How about these for expectations. 1) Don’t let lone cherry picker on the opposing team get goal side of you and 2) If you are covering for a CB that is marking the lone cherry picker then stay close enough that you can, you know, actually cover.

          • Paul Klee

            I was trying to be charitable.

          • kernel_thai

            The good news is most of the names on this list can get back to help clean these things up

          • kernel_thai

            Broon could use the extra time off as well. She is low mileage

            but still 30 something. If they flip flop her with JJ in Nov then Johnston becomes the veteran leader of the back line at 24.

        • Captain Crunch

          I don’t think Sauerbrunn is captain anymore. I heard a rumor from some UVa folks that she did something and it was taken away. If she did what they said, it sounded legit. Haven’t seen it written anywhere so don’t want to spread it and say more that that but pretty sure it’s true. Not sure it matters though bc I believe they will re-vote on captains for the January camp.

          • huh? that is very vague and seems pretty out of character for Becky. Also, I don’t think the team votes on captains, I think Jill selects them. And we all know Carli isn’t giving that title up until she is off the team.

          • guest

            it is your duty as a member of the equalizer to reveal all uswnt speculation to the forum in a timely fashion.

          • Breakers fan

            Echo whitld in saying “huh?”. I’ll add: “wow”. Those mono-syllables uttered, on further reflection I do think this is conceivable and plausible just because she seems to be a very independent-minded and strong person, meaning she likely isn’t afraid to say something if she really believes it. If this is true then I hope one day we hear the specifics. Thanks for passing along the potential hot-off-the-presses rumor.

          • guest

            i wonder if this has anything to do with the rumor of hope solo getting into arguments with some teammates at the rio olympics. especially since saurbrunn was beaten on the only goal against sweden.

          • Breakers fan

            I like that insightful speculation. You may be onto something! What she could have said that in that context that would have led to the Captainship being stripped I can’t imagine but I think you’re right to think of that scene as one in which something could have transpired that was….controversial, incendiary.

          • DNG

            I remember immediately after the OG loss that #1Fan made a comment about the team making Lloyd and Sauerbrunn captains not because they were leaders but because they were perceived as the best players. I’ll see if I can’t dig up the actual comment.

          • DNG

            Here’s the comment.

            http://equalizersoccer.com/2016/08/11/uswnt-sweden-preview-in-current-form-shouldnt-be-contest/#comment-2834471756

            Here’s the text in case you it doesn’t take you right to the comment

            “a close friend of mine is besties with a very well known player.. I just asked her this and she replied with this

            hear ya, but that’s not happening
            though those in the know would tell you
            that the choice of captains are laughable
            lloyd and sauerbrun
            instead of giving it to actual leaders, they went with what they considered the better players and who were actually the biggest bitches who they didn’t want to piss off by not giving it to them

            Food for thought”

          • Breakers fan

            Very interesting. The pre-supposition is that the report is completely accurate, not only in terms of the source being who it is said to be, but also that the text is basically verbatim. I’m not sure I’m completely willing to do that right off the bat, but it could very well be essential true and accurate. Let’s say it is. I can see the skepticism about Lloyd much more easily than I can about Sauerbrunn. She does not strike me as an egotist or prima donna. In fact if I had to name who I felt was the least like that I think I would have said her. BUT……I really don’t know, have no clue. The other question that is begged when reading that is “Who are the real leaders? The ones who weren’t chosen but the ones the players really felt should have been?”

            What was your reaction to that purported quote #1Fan relayed?

          • DNG

            Well first, I don’t believe #1Fan has any reason to lie about this. Second, the comment doesn’t really surprise me that much. The comment speaks to exactly how I envision Lloyd’s personality. Even though I never thought Sauerbrunn would be like that I’d think it was a possibility. These athlete’s compete in a highly competitive environment often against each other. I’d think I’d be hard to always be supportive of players who might take your livelihood. Similar things were mentioned about Holiday on these boards and Carli’s book references the cliques prevalent among the 99ers. That’s honestly how I envisioned Abby too and she was a leader on the team for years. If I had to guess at who one of the real leaders was, my first guess would be Rapinoe.

            My first reaction to the comment was that I wanted all of the, me first, players kicked off the team. As someone who participated in team sports all throughout my youth, there is nothing that bothers me more than a selfish player. It runs contrary to the entire idea of being part of a team, at least it does to me. If I was in charged I would remove those players from the squad even if they were the Messi of women’s soccer(that would be a really stupid decision by the way).

          • Breakers fan

            I didn’t mean to imply she may be lying, but rather that maybe her source was using hyperbole to some extent in relaying the feelings of the NT. Like you, with Lloyd it may be more likely but I just have trouble seeing Sauerbrunn as being like that, at all. I could be wrong but I doubt at this point in time that she is like that. With Rampone out of the picture or on her way out who else was a team leader? HAO comes to mind but she too was on the way out.

            I too played team sports my whole youth – mostly baseball, soccer and basketball and I agree with you about selfish players. Not sure, though, that I ever had any bad ones on any of my teams so I’m thinking about this more intellectually. But I also think you have to be somewhat careful in calling someone selfish, just because the goal of these sports is to score goals or make points and that takes individuals making plays. If they can do that better than others it could be interpreted as being the smart team play when they go at goal or at the hoop. I too wouldn’t start Carli but I have noticed lately that she seems to be making a determined effort to pass the ball more. Still, I think we have better options.

          • DNG

            Wanting to score goals doesn’t make a player selfish. It’s when what’s good for the player comes before the team that they become selfish. #1Fan put the comment out there so I’m assuming she/he trusts whoever the source was. I don’t know any of these players personally so I try to avoid making any assumptions about their personalities. I know plenty of people who act differently in public than they do in private so I don’t think it’s a stretch that to be the case for at least some NT players as well. Carli is a good finisher but she’s entirely reliant on her teammates for production. She is incapable of moving the ball herself and doesn’t combine well with teammates. She the biggest reason why the US midfield is always getting overrun by good teams. She just doesn’t provide enough outside of goal scoring. These things never show up in the box score but are easy to see when watching the matches. Even in the NED match she gave the ball away a ton. She can’t help doing it though it’s a limitation of hers.

          • Breakers fan

            Well-said about what makes a player selfish. In soccer it can be plain to see. Taking a shot when someone else is open for a better chance and she knows that person has a better shot. That kind of thing – totally agree. Carli is somewhat enigmatic – I don’t want to get into a detailed analysis of this – but she seems to produce regularly, more so than most. I know about easy opponents and so forth and I know she has blown many good shots badly and I agree with your description of her midfield play though it’s not always bad, but she puts the ball in the net pretty darn often. It’s just undeniable. Would I pick about 7 players or more whom I’d play over her? Yes, but my preference is with youth, speed and agility. But I can’t deny how well she does overall in the “scoring goals” dept. It happens and not everyone has been doing it at that rate.

            About Becky Sauerbrunn’s character, like you said, “not knowing them personally” I’m going to “try to avoid making any assumptions about their personalities”. The comment quoted here isn’t going to make me do that about her. When I hear JJ talk about her mentoring it’s clearly genuine, high praise. I need more than this hearsay from a mysterious unnamed source to change my mind about her. That said, I’m open-minded about the topic.

          • DNG

            Well I certainly didn’t expect JJ to say anything bad about Sauerbrunn publicly. I’m was kind of shocked that Lloyd had come out and said the things she has said about Morgan’s photoshoots even if she didn’t explicitly mention Morgan by name her implications were clear. Those things usually do not get aired out in public. I can see Sauerbrunn being a good mentor but being a giant pain in the rear as well. I don’t think they are mutually exclusive even if you might not necessarily expect it.

            With regards to Lloyd she really hadn’t been scoring consistently against good teams the entire year until the France match at the Olympics. She was also productive in the NED game so I guess that’s a couple. The Thailand game does nothing for me. Those are the types of teams she usually pads her stats on.

          • Breakers fan

            So would you say right that that comment has made you believe, if you were forced to say what you think is true, that Sauerbrunn “is a giant pain in the rear in private”? Or would you say “I have no idea” or would you say “I don’t think she’s like that”. It doesn’t matter, just wondering how big of an effect that relayed comment has had on your view of her.

            Like I said I wouldn’t play Lloyd but I just see her jumping up and down pretty often in celebration when she plays. I almost don’t want that to happen so a change can be made but in the end my love of the team supersedes that and I’m happy when any good thing happens with the team, no matter who the agent of success was.

          • DNG

            I have no idea about Sauerbrunn. I’d say that it wouldn’t shock me if it turned out one way or the other. I just want Ellis to start players other than Lloyd because Lloyd completely dictates the formation and tactics the US needs to play with. I don’t think those tactics are particularly effective either.

          • Breakers fan

            In the end I think all we can say is that it’ll be interesting to see how long it is until she mostly sits on the bench. And you could add: Will that happen more from her potential poor future play or more from another rising up to such an extent in training and in the time she gets that she can’t be denied any longer?

  • Pooped

    Okay, Mathias and no DiBernado?? Even Menges…

    • Pooped

      Also, I wonder what happened to Rose Lavelle.

      • Steglitz49

        Theirs not to reason why, theirs to do and …

      • HOFCToDi

        Not exactly tearing up the NCAA this year.

        uwbadgers.com/cumestats.aspx?path=wsoc&year=2016&

        • truf

          I’ve watched a handful of matches. It’s shocking how little she ever touches the ball, i’m not exactly sure what the coaches at UW are thinking. Rose needs to go Europe immediately after this season is done.

          • Arcie Tillydee

            She’s badly misused there, isn’t she? Well, at least that’s great training for the USWNT…

          • mockmook

            She’s playing DM and seeing the ball plenty — I have no idea what your referring to.

      • Arcie Tillydee

        My (completely conjectural) take is that there’s a personality clash. Ellis seems a bit humorless…and Lavelle is flakier than a week-old croissant. Also: while she’s got decent numbers herself, Wisconsin is crap this year. Can’t help.

        Still, Lavelle’s technical ability is probably, right now, better than anyone on the Senior team who’s name isn’t Heath.

        • Pooped

          I think the humour thing is a bit far fetched. Campbell seems along similar lines if you’ve seen her tweets.

          It’d be a real shame if Ellis failed to see the potential in a player because her team isn’t doing well. But I guess Lavelle is going enough and the WC far enough to work her way in (if indeed Ellis is basing selection on merit and perhaps chemistry alone).

        • DNG

          I don’t know if I can agree with that. I’d say Morgan Brian is the best overall passer on the team and is also much better at turning defenders than Heath is. Heath is probably the better dribbler though and a great passer herself

          • Arcie Tillydee

            Okay, that’s fair. I might quibble a bit about best passer, but no matter. Definitely should include Brian. Lavelle’s in that class, IMO. Sky-high ceiling, too…Vero-tier potential, IMO.

          • Steglitz49

            With only glorified friendlies between now and WC-19, JE has her work cut out to build a new squad. Her competitors in Europe and Asia have their Championships next year and then quite grueling qualifying tournaments for WC-19.

            With a new CBA/MOU in the wings, maybe JE can invent a small 4 quadrant tournament in the US where the lasses have to fight it out for their chances to play for the NT.

  • guest

    Time for Press to shine. I’m assuming she’ll be the starting center forward for these games

    • Steglitz49

      the time has come, the Walruss said …

      • dw

        To talk of many things: of Coppertone, of crossbars and PKs; of cabbages and kings…

        • Steglitz49

          Verily. Touché!

          • dw

            I do have to give you credit for the sublime assist. And I have to admit while typing that I was a little scared that in some small way I was glimpsing the world through Steg-filtered lenses…

          • Steglitz49

            I remember sealing wax, pigs with wings and the sea being so full of sand

            Now, if we can get the owl and the pussycat into soccer …

    • dw

      Clearly, with no games of import for almost 3 years, Press will shine.

  • FawcettFan14

    Mathias over Menges and Barnes is laughable. Mathias works hard but is NOT WNT material. In the attack she gets caught offside a ton, and doesn’t score goals, and as an outside back she is a foul-prone liability.

    I have no idea about Ashley Hatch.

    Other than this, this roster is a huge breath of fresh air! Ohai, Williams, Groom, Colaprico, Gilliland, Short, Dahlkemper are all players people have been clamboring for.

    DiBernardo, Barnes, Menges can feel hard done by after wonderful NWSL seasons (in Barnes’ case, more a fantastic body of NWSL work over 4 seasons versus this season alone).

    I guess Ellis is serious about revamping this team.

    • HOFCToDi

      NCAA Division I

      ncaa.com/stats/soccer-women/d1/current/individual/579

    • Arcie Tillydee

      ANY uncapped defender over Menges is absurd, frankly.

    • Breakers fan

      Have to think Dahlkemper’s game vs. Portland helped her cause significantly even if she was involved in some controversial plays during which she escaped a possible whistle. Overall I thought she was excellent in that match and assume the rest of her season was very good too.

      • I wouldn’t be interested to know if the Portland game helped her. Ohai said she has known for a few weeks about the call-up. Does that mean everyone on the roster has known? How late was Jill still adding players. Not that we can answer this..

        • Breakers fan

          Good question. It may very well have already been decided for Dahlkemper too. She earned it. Doesn’t hurt that she is an ex-Bruin either. I really don’t know, though, *how* good she is. I just haven’t watched her closely enough on WNY to say.

          • I haven’t either. She seemed to have kind of an up and down season from the outside. I felt like we heard a lot about her early in the year and it kind of tapered off. Maybe that is because Williams, Mewis and McDonald had great years and they are on the same team.

          • Breakers fan

            Helps hugely to be on a winning team. Of course one can say that’s why they win – they have great players – but I think it’s safe to say a domino effect does occur to some extent with winning squads.

    • atalba

      Ellis is serious about picking her team, like anybody would be.

  • Frozen Blue

    So my first though when I saw this was; Who is getting left off because Ellis already ‘knows’ how they play and just wants to see some new faces and who got left off due to either poor Olympic play or poor league play?

    I would have to say I think only Morgan is in that first category. The rest have all had problems or in Kriegers case just out of favor.

    • HOFCToDi

      Krieger (DOB 28 Jul 1984) – 32 years old
      Rapinoe (DOB 05 Jul 1985) – 31 years old

      • Steglitz49

        When WC-19 rolls around, they will be almost 3 years older.

        • dw

          Hmm, so will we… Go figure.

    • GNC

      I would give anything to know how Morgan reacted to not being called in.

      • Frozen Blue

        Me too!

        • GNC

          Maybe we’ll get a memoir when she retires…

      • HOFCToDi

        Don’t you think Alex Morgan has a hurricane to worry about?

        • GNC

          She’s probably more concerned about her job than a hurricane.

          • HOFCToDi

            Alex Morgan could get paid six figures overseas.

            Parlez-vous français?

          • Steglitz49

            Your point is well taken but I suspect that Alex is more likely to take a leaf out of ARod’s book than out of Pinoe’s and Tobin’s.

          • dw

            For another rare occasion I’m with HOFC. With nothing to do for 2 years, take a run at UWCL in slow year 1, then come back and start your family early in slow year 2, then see what a shambles USWNT is in for the run up to WWC 19, and see if they beg you to come back.

          • guest

            that could be a possibility as a bench backup. no chance alex morgan starts ahead of ada hegerberg. but even backups get a medal.

          • dw

            That doesn’t discount 2 on top, or Alex on left wing, either. So you could have Ada and Alex. It’s isn’t as if you don’t have 80% possession. You just have to put more in than you let in on the counter.

      • Steglitz49

        She probably shrugged her shoulders knowing that if she wants to play and is reasonably fit she is a lock for WC-19.

        My own theory is that she is blessed. Granted, Lira Alushi played when 3 months gone but that was in the Champions League final before her Chancellor. This is a friendly against makers of cuckoo-clocks.

        • GNC

          For some reason I just don’t see that as being what happened in this case. I think she’ll put off having a family until after the next cycle.

          Time will tell, though.

          • Steglitz49

            Indeed.

            It is a simple explanation for sitting these matches out.

      • kernel_thai

        She said do I wanna go to work and maybe make $2700 or do I wanna hang out at Disney and spend the millions I already have

      • It was probably partly her choice..

        • Breakers fan

          Yeah, no doubt Ellis spoke with her about it beforehand I have to think. I’d be flabbergasted if Alex were blindsided with this. Question is -was it mainly to give her a break, and more space to look at other forwards, telling her not to worry, or if Ellis did say something to her about “recent performance”. I lean towards the former but no way to be sure.

          • dw

            You do realize Alex is a complainant vs. U$$F, right?

          • Breakers fan

            Hadn’t thought of that, and yes that could be a factor, but aren’t those named as complainants just spokeswomen for everyone else on the team? Meaning aren’t they ALL in effect complainants? I’m not fully versed on this matter.
            If what I said is true, though, then shutting her out of camp for being a spokeswoman for something all are signing onto I think is lame.

          • dw

            Yeah, that’s the thing, there’s being an unofficial spokeswoman, and then there’s having your name in black and white on legal documents being served to your employer.

          • Yea no doubt they spoke about it. I would also say it’s to give some others a look and maybe partly because she didn’t have as good of a club season as the other forwards. Who knows though. Like I said earlier, it will be more telling to me on who gets/doesn’t get called in for the last camp of the year. If they mostly rotate all vets (Press, Heath, O’Hara aren’t called) it will tell me she is just seeing whats out there.

          • Breakers fan

            Man it would be fun to witness those training sessions, eh? I suspect the competition level is going to be quite high, and for the reason you gave – not all will return for the next camp.

          • Yea it would be. I think I’d rather watch 11v11 in camp than most friendlies we play. It would let us know what Jill sees and maybe we wouldn’t question everything she does 🙂

        • GNC

          How do you figure?

          • Because Alex Morgan is one of the few untouchables on this team.

  • mockmook

    YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Who slipped the brain slug into JE? 🙂

    OK, kudos JE, you are finally doing what is needed.

    • AlexH

      So Mock, any way we can fit this group into a 3-5-2. I don’t know them well enough. If Jill would to that I might actually, gasp, have to say something nice about her!

      • mockmook

        In my pseudo 3-5-2

        http://drawformation.com/post/57f72f14c5a02/sm-57f72f14c5a02.png

        But I like this pseudo 3-5-2 better (already posted it once)

        http://drawformation.com/post/57f6d97bd9b4a/sm-57f6d97bd9b4a.png

        Ohai and Dunn will tear it up offensively and defensively on the wings.
        Groom and Williams will be very aggressive and quick in the box.
        Press will join or play-make.
        Colaprico and Long offer the proper balance of offense/defense.
        Sauerbrunn anchors the back.
        Short and Gilliland have the speed to run down any surprise intruders.

        • Steglitz49

          Your formation may well have merit but if you are discussing 3-5-2 then either set out a true 3-5-2 or a 2-3-2-3. No doubt the ones you set out have some value like you can have any formation you like as long as there are 11 players on he pitch.

          • mockmook
          • DNG

            I love this formation but given our lack of B2B mids I’d play it with a DM and 2 AMs instead of a DLP and 2 B2B mids. I really want to see Andi Sullivan get some time in the pivot of these next couple of matches to see if she can do it. The US needs to find 3 very solid CBs though that can move the ball effectively. Bonucci passes like a midfielder and while the USWNT don’t need a CB to be that good on the ball they need to be good enough to initiate attacks in the first phase of possession. The other two CBs need to be good enough with the ball to solve pressure. If the US can get the CB 3 right I think the 3-5-2 is the ideal formation for the US personnel.

        • Breakers fan

          Like it – one change on lineup #2, (my preference between the 2) – in line with my youthful way of thinking at the moment try Sullivan for Long there. It completes a sort of energy you’re already creating.

      • mockmook

        New and improved geometry for my pseudo 3-5-2

        http://drawformation.com/post/57f99b81b2aa0/sm-57f99b81b2aa0.png

  • So just a thought.. 8 NWSL players and 3 college players. Can we assume Jill only thinks these 8 NWSL players deserve a shot? Why call up college players in the middle of their season if there were more NWSL players who she deemed worthy? Explain yourself, Jill.

    • HOFCToDi

      It’s called the CBA.

      media.philly.com/storage/philly/tannenwald/20160204_ussf_vs_uswnt_initial_filing.pdf

      02/04/16 Page 111 of 217 PageID #:343

  • xanthophobe

    This is exactly the kind of shakeup this team needs. Is this the set of players I would have called up player for player? No, but well done to Jill and her team to look for new players.

    -Casey Short is probably my favorite of these call ups. A full back capable of getting upfield but still tight defensively? Yes please!

    -Andi Sullivan getting a look is great for this team. Happy Jill is looking at true defensive mids

    -No Rose Lavelle kind of irks me but I’ll live with it.

    -Emily Menges not getting called up is upsetting but not surprising. Hopefully she’ll get a look at some point.

    -Hatch feels like the most out of left field but I like it. I also expect her draft stock to sky rocket after this.

    • kernel_thai

      Well if u buy into what Ellis said about call ins would be performance based, Lavelle is setting Wisconsin ablaze this year.

      • Paul Klee

        She’s seen Lavelle in camp 4 or 5 months ago knows what she can do. We may see her in January.

        • truf

          Rose has been in at least 2 camps. She’s very talented, but i’ve been watching UW matches and she never gets the ball.

          • Arcie Tillydee

            Exactly. She’s a brilliantly talented player in kind of a crap program. If she’d ended up at, say, North Carolina, she’d have already been capped multiple times.

          • I wonder why she chose to go to Madison? Was that the only D1 college that recruited her? Couldn’t be. UW is not really known for their WoSo program..

          • Breakers fan

            I’ve wondered that exact same thing. Coincidentally she’s from where I’m from – Cincinnati – and that’s not exactly where college scouts flock so that fact no doubt lessened the attention she received while in high school. The poster “JL” , who also is from Cincy and still lives there may be able to shed light on this.

          • I don’t know much about her youth career, but she’s been with the YNT’s right? If so, I doubt it really matters where you grew up because you will be getting exposure. Maybe she just like UW. Have many friends who went there, great school.

          • Breakers fan

            Forgot about that, thanks. I think her YNT “career” began before she had to choose a college, so you’re probably right that she could have gone to many more highly ranked schools. I’m hoping JL sees this as he may know this story in some more detail. If he doesn’t respond here I’ll write him directly to see if he has any more background on this. I sometimes look at Lavelle’s twitter page and she strikes me as an independent-minded, not cookie-cutter type of person, so it very well may be as you say – she liked UW, liked the coach, decided to go there.

          • JL

            FYI, I am a she. I know, hard to tell sometimes when a poster doesn’t give their full name. No big deal, just a courtesy FYI.

            And I don’t really have any more information than you do on why Rose picked Wisconsin. Maybe she got a better scholarship offer from there than some of the other schools. Maybe she liked the place the best. I have no idea.

          • Breakers fan

            Apologies, JL! I think your fiery, strongly opinionated, no-holds-barred, no shame posts at times just led me to assume you were a male. I actually love hearing when I’m wrong on this topic Odds were in my favor by guessing male here but happy to lose on my prediction.:-)
            I think your scholarship idea may have had something to do with it. Was Rose within the YNT system while still in high school in Cincy, do you know? And lastly, did you ever see her play while in high school in Cincy?

          • Steglitz49

            Maybe she went to Madison because of love? It has been known to happen but probably is not recommended.

          • JL

            Eh, I’m a take-no-crap-from-anyone kind of woman. I call out nonsense when I see it. That has gotten me into trouble at times, but whatever.

            I would have loved to have seen her play in high school, but Mount Notre Dame almost never plays against my alma mater Mariemont in any sport, so the chance never came.

            I checked her YNT history as best I could, but from what I could find, it seems like most of it was after high school.

          • Breakers fan

            Cincinnati-related post: so stop reading now if you don’t care.

            I spent my earliest years in Terrace Park and the Mariemont theater was *the* cinema of my youth. As was that Graeter’s there; and later on my Dad and I ate at the Mariemont Inn often. Is it still there? Also……what is the little family restaurant (or “was”, if it’s not still there) next to the Graeter’s? We used to go there a lot too. Was it called “The Village Kitchen”? And I’d get my haircuts at the barber shop down a bit from the Mariemont Inn. We’d play Mariemont in sports, at least in middle school.

            Thanks for the research on her YNT career – that could help explain why she didn’t get the big scholarship offers from the top soccer schools.

          • JL

            All of those things are still there. Although the theater is now all about independent and foreign films (they will bring in a big movie for a few days every now and then). Saw Bend It Like Beckham about 2 dozen times while it was showing there.

            I didn’t go to the elementary, since I lived in Fairfax and went to Catholic school until 7th grade. But one of my classmates at MHS played soccer for Ohio Wesleyan and she helped them win two national titles, including scoring the game winner in the championship for title number 2.

          • Breakers fan

            Thanks. Great to hear – that all of those places are still there. Pretty amazing actually. That is a change for that movie theater from my youth.
            I’d forgotten about the town of Fairfax – thanks for the reminder. We used to play them in knothole baseball when I was young. I think Mariemont and Fairfax each had their own team at that time.

            Very cool about your teammate! That’s the kind of player that gets often gets lost. How good do you think she was – NWSL-worthy, possibly?

          • JL

            Not professional level good, in all honesty. Good enough for DIII college, though.

        • kernel_thai

          I agree…surprised they bothered any of the college players at this point in their seasons. If they need to make a decision on allocating her right after the draft, they can bring her in in Nov after Wisconsin is done.

      • mockmook

        Currently is playing DM and doing a pretty good job of it.

        This actually shows her versatility and any team thinking of taking her should actually be upgrading her based on this year’s performance.

        • Breakers fan

          Yes, thanks for these observations.. If someone is looking for Lavelle to have big goal-scoring numbers he’s missing the boat. Her role is to do other things. And of the great college players she plays, by a decent margin, on the weakest team. They’re a solid team but haven’t been receiving any Top 25 votes. And without *her* Wisconsin’s shot at making the Big 10 tourney — I’m almost certain just some teams qualify for it — go down pretty drastically, I imagine.

          • netbuldge

            Well someone should tell Lavelle she isn’t a goal scorer then. She’s taken 50 shots, more than twice the next highest player.

          • Well sometimes your best player still has to do the most..

          • Breakers fan

            How many Wisconsin games have you seen this year? In other words how many minutes of Lavelle and those 50 shots have you seen? Without having done that one can’t really speak to the quality or wisdom of her shots this year. I’ve seen 2 games, about to see a 3rd.

          • mockmook

            Speaking of Wisconsin…

            Mockmook’s Weekly Player to Watch:

            Camryn Biegalski LB — Freshman (Wisconsin)

            ————

            Bonus Wonder to Watch:

            Emma Fletcher M — Senior (Cal)

          • Breakers fan

            Thank you, sir. Players NOTED! Hmmm. I just watched both of those teams but I did NOT focus much on Cal players other than Shipp.
            I’m actually almost done watching Wisconsin vs. Nebraska as we speak. Did you see this game from last night?

            4 Nebraska players that I will add to the list of watchable ones: #1 is forward Jaycie Johnson, Senior. 15 game-winning goals in her career there; over 40 total goals. Had a hat trick recently vs. Ohio State which I’m about to check if there is video of; #2 midfielder Senior Courtney Claasen, just like the little that I’ve seen, fast, seems skilled; #3 Sophomore LB Caroline Buelt; and #4 Junior midfielder Haley Hanson — scored a header goal off a corner here, came raging in like an enraged rhino and propelled the ball with her head sending it goalward at about 58mph, shaking the back of the net with the impact. I liked the fearlessness displayed. Need to see her run-of-play game tons more but that play caught my eye. And Rose in this game has been top-notch. My respect for and admiration of her play is growing significantly.

          • mockmook

            I did see much of the game.

            Yes, did notice JJ — not so much the others.

          • Breakers fan

            I’m casting a wide net, admittedly. I think it’s the fun way to go at the outset, with ………so little evidence from just 1 game. 🙂

          • mockmook

            Yeah, I can’t watch the games with the “intensity” that you do.

            Anyway, do look in on Biegalski, I think you’ll be pleased.

            So I have you checking on Andrzejewski and Biegalski — don’t know if I can come up with a Cxxxxxx-ski for next week 🙂

          • Breakers fan

            I still have the Wisconsin-Nebraska game on my dvr. And I just now saw Biegalski and yes! I remember them talking about her early in the game. Tall blonde freshman defender. I believe you about her – just curious what she did that impressed you, what qualities you saw? I’ll try and go back in the game and find some of her play.

            I’ll tell you a XXXXXXXski who I am enamored with — just love her — Haley Skomolski – little Utah Sophomore striker. Pretty tiny but fearless and has a rocket shot with both feet, but is naturally left-footed. Has a bunch of goals this year already, is a converted defender though played striker in high school, they said.

          • mockmook

            I’ll look for the little Skomolski (it is even a name that is spell-able).

            A few “objective” things stood out regarding Biegalski — height, speed, athleticism.

            But, what really draws me to a player (and drew me to Biegalski) is something intangible, something subconscious. It’s the “it” factor, a certain flair to their play — and an “awareness” — a certain competence with confidence.

          • Breakers fan

            Thanks. And I totally agree with you about intangibles – I like your description of it. It’s just something one feels. Sometimes it takes time to see it, sometimes it can come quickly. Xiao of Stanford I’ve mentioned before. I still love her game. Really smart, technically able and a rocket for such a relatively small person. Another little lefty from the Sophomore class I’d love the Breakers to acquire one day.

          • Breakers fan

            You don’t see how powerful of a shot she has in this but here are 2 of her 8 goals this year, a little glimpse from about 1000 minutes of play. It’s the first video I found that she’s in.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkiBFD_wuOA

          • Breakers fan

            And the “intensity” thing — it’s completely about having a vested interest – trying to help the Breakers get better. Otherwise I’d watch a lot more casually.

          • Breakers fan

            And I will look up Emma Fletcher on youtube – thanks. I am intrigued about her. I mean Cal must have a bunch of good players. I had a headache when watching it and so was mostly focused on UCLA players and wondering where the hell Darian Jenkins was.

          • mockmook

            Fletcher could be the CAM that Boston needs. One caveat — she is Canadian.

          • Breakers fan

            Good God, that’s some high praise, dude.
            I need to seek out video of this gal.

          • mockmook

            “could be” 🙂

  • AlexH

    So if Jill really is turning over a new leaf and shaking things up, how long before the veterans get together and initiate the coup d’ etat?

    • Steglitz49

      Once the CBA/MOU runs out, USSF is in the driving seat.

      It is harder to unseat a coach who has won the world championship than one who had no such merits.

      • CED

        Ellis has nor merits, she’s a horrible coach. Does not have a clue

        • Steglitz49

          The USWNT became world champions again after 16 long years in the desert under Jill Ellis. As a result she not surprisingly became the COTY.

          JE may be in your words”a horrible coach” and “does not have a clue” but you are incorrect to type that she “has no mertis” because she demonstrably does.

          • CED

            She has no merits.

          • Breakers fan

            She’s got one now – Mathias. 🙂

          • dw

            I was typing the exact same thing…

      • dw

        Wrong, not hard at all, you only require the will.

  • Marty Harris

    Alex Morgan going to France for the big $ with her husband . No interest in this team when she is gone.meh2490.

    • HOFCToDi

      Why?

      As a spokesperson for Nationwide Mutual Insurance Company, I would think Alex Morgan would get free hurricane insurance.

      “Nationwide is on your side”

    • Steglitz49

      Have you any evidence for this statement or is it just baloney?

      • dw

        Makes complete sense to me. Things do fit together. Lyon pres. saying big US name(s) coming to Lyon. Lyon no longer paying Necib, Henry, and Schelin. (Even Henry’s non-signing could have to do with Lyon’s reluctance to give her big cash because they were planning to woo big USWNT names). NWSL Allocation money may go down or disappear altogether. Even allocation doesn’t change, based on old CBA, WNT players had the right to play in Europe (I know, to an extent, that is moot, but a standing player could submit the argument that they planned to exercise the option presented in the previous CBA). Regardless of the status of NWSL allocation, all Lyon has to do is pay over the allocation rate, which should be easy for them to do. Now Alex doesn’t appear on a call up, which could be the last time WNT plays before a potential labor stoppage (coincidence, I think not, although your are correct about a simple, natural explanation). The players would have best available info about the chances of lockout/strike, and would be planning accordingly, knowing there is a big payday overseas. There is PLENTY of evidence. Granted all of it is circumstantial, but it is there, and it does fit a pattern.

        • Steglitz49

          In favor of Lyon is that it is the gastronomical capital of the world and both the Alps and Auvergne are readily accessible from Lyon, not to forget both the Rhone valley and Burgundy, and the TGV takes you to Paris in about 2 hours or so.

          • dw

            Hold on Steg, there’s circumstantial evidence, and then there’s this. I don’t even know what to call this…

          • Steglitz49

            Heresay?

            PSG may already be out of the Champions League. It rains a lot in England. The food is stodgy in Germany.

            I would advise Alex to go to Montpellier or failing that, why not Albi with its fortress of a cathedral, the Church mighty in battle. Can’t speak for Italy but the Athletic Club of Bilbao might be just the ticket?

          • dw

            Once again, Steg, try to limit your posts between moments of lucidity. You can be a tourist during the week. In the real world, IF Alex were to cross the pond, it would IMO be about 50% Lyon is a lock already, and maybe 50% chance of bidding war with City.

          • Steglitz49

            I would advise her to go to an upper-middle club where she can make a big contribution, not a loaded team.

            In Spain it would be a toss-up between Bilbao, who have fabulous fans like Portland and either Espanyol or Atletico Madrid. Barcelona are loaded.

            I gave you the teams in France. In Germany, Potsdam probably can’t afford her, Frankfurt maybe, Bayern Munich and Wolfsburg are loaded up front. Though Bayer Leverkusen has money, they are too far down in the table.

            In England, tons of teams have money. Maybe Twente or Ajax in the NL. The Nordic countries have no money.

          • dw

            Sometimes I wonder about you Steg. You fail to notice the simple truths. This time the simple truth in all of soccer is that: Loaded teams get more loaded. The next one is: Stars rarely prefer loaded teams over non loaded ones.

          • Steglitz49

            If Alex went outside of the US she would want to play for a upper-middle team where it would be obvious that she made a contribution. A good comparison is Press playing for Göteborg vs playing for Tyresö.

            Secondly, she would want to go somewhere where the quality of life would be high. We can discuss what that means. Does it mean food, weather/climate or nature/landscape? All three?

          • dw

            Don’t take this the wrong way, but that’s asinine.

  • atalba

    Even though I haven’t seen Hatch, I’d say Savannah Jordan is the most dominant forward in the NCAA. She has players hanging on her at all times and still gets her shots off. 10 goals 7 assists with the target on her back in 14 games this year. Dominating.

    • rkmid71

      I’m not too worried. I think Jordan and other college players will be in a camp later this year. Not sure why Hatch now versus Jordan. Could have something to do with Utah as venue, their team schedule, etc.

      • mockmook

        Also, it’s possible that JE even talked to the players and coaches involved to gauge their comfort with a call-up right now.

        • Breakers fan

          Good question, I hadn’t thought of that. Hard to see Jordan declining an invite but you never know.

      • Breakers fan

        That surprised me to some extent, but when you see Hatch’s goal numbers, which I assume you have, then it becomes hard to argue against bringing her in. A game or two ago she had 15 goals in 11 games. I’ve seen her play – she’s the real deal. That said I agree that Jordan is the best forward in the college game.

        • rkmid71

          I would never presume anything about “who’s the best” based on stats. Bring them both in. And it’s hard to compare stats given the potential differences in competition, team dynamics/system, playing time, and myriad of other factors. The stats say that Hatch is at 15/4 in 13 games (34 pts) and Jordan at 10/7 (27 pts) in 12 games. The biggest difference in these two that I see is Jordan’s consistency over college career. And I like that she has nearly as many assists as goals — indicating she’s doing what a team player would do when drawing a lot of defensive focus…pass to the open player.

          • Steglitz49

            It is particular hard to judge and compare young and coming players not least when you can’t adjust for the quality of the opposition.

          • rkmid71

            And don’t forget Rampone, a hall of famer, came from Monmouth College. Not a Power 5 conference. Tony D. had the moxy to bring her in and give her a chance. In the NFL, hall of famers like Kurt Warner, Jerry Rice (one of all time best players in any position), etc. came from small schools, not so called big time college programs.

          • Steglitz49

            Verily and forsooth.

            In a country as vast and as populous as the US, how do you give everyone a fair chance?

            Maybe a solution is to create 4 coequal NTs that play each other in a miniseries the winner of which gets to play in the SBC?

          • Breakers fan

            Agree with your points about stats. Don’t get me wrong, I too am surprised, verging on shock, that Jordan didn’t get called in and I too think she’s the best forward in college. As mockmook wondered — is there anything else we’re not hearing behind her getting shut out of this camp? Any need for Florida to have her during this stretch as related to their tournament prospects?
            I haven’t looked at BYU’s schedule, and don’t want to right now because I have their last night’s game on my dvr and don’t want to see the result, but I think they’ve played good competition. So far I’ve only seen their game against Utah and they’re a strong team.
            In the end I agree with you- bring them both in, assuming Jordan didn’t decline any invite.

          • So you’ve been doing the college scouting we’ve talked about. Man, I wish I would get better college games from Directv. No PAC12 network agreement is killing me. I could have UCLA and Standford all the time. Anyone else standing out to you this season?

          • Breakers fan

            Doing as much as I can. It is time-consuming but fun. Mostly PAC-12 games but a few others. Watching USC-Stanford right now from last night. Pissed that I saw the result ahead of time. I’ll come back and say some names later. I’m mostly trying to find Seniors – players who can be drafted – but in the process of course you see good underclassmen too. It’s really a long process. I mean, you can spend 2 hours and see a player get not that many touches, depending on what position she plays, so you feel like “I need to see her more” or if she has a couple bad touches – AS EVERYONE DOES — then you don’t know what to think about that.

            Also, you don’t always notice good play from individuals you don’t “know” yet because you’re not focused on them, don’t know their names, what they look like, so it often takes seeing the same team 3 or 4 times to start having these nameless players begin to individuate. It’s an interesting, long process. And I noticed last night that of the Top 25 teams I haven’t even seen 18 or 19 of them play yet! You need a squadron of qualified scouts to do this job…

          • That is awesome and sounds very time consuming. If you don’t mind me asking, do you have a personal reason for liking WoSo so much (kids, etc.), or are you just a fan? I will be excited to hear some names from you and see how they pan out. It’s easy for fans like me who don’t watch a lot of college soccer to get stuck on the names the YNT/Fed feeds you.

          • rkmid71

            I’ve given BF one already. Forward prospect Kia Rankin #8 from NC State. Not one that YNT/Fed are feeding you. I’ll be adding some others, but want to see more first.

          • Sounds great thanks. Do most college conferences upload games anywhere (youtube) that someone who doesn’t get the networks could watch? I would like to do more viewing.

          • rkmid71

            Don’t know about uploading, but a lot of games are live streamed. I don’t know how long they are archived. You just need to go to the schedule for the team and they will have link or the conference has their own network, etc.

          • guest

            Most conferences require a cable contract, but foxsportsgo does stream the Big East conference for free.

          • Breakers fan

            I have xfinity cable. When I went to Fox Sports Go to try to watch BC vs. Duke they asked what my cable provider was. Having xfinity was a good thing – it got me access to the ACC games, and some other conferences – didn’t look at all of them. Just enter Direct TV into that question and see what it gets you.

          • Sounds good. I have an Xfinity log in from a friend too (shh) so I will try that.

          • Breakers fan

            I’ll give you a name I’ve mentioned already here – Darian Jenkins, UCLA Senior forward. She didn’t play in last night’s UCLA-Cal game which I saw most of, and I knew something bad had happened. She had 7 goals in 11 games last time I checked, and it turns out she broke her fibula and is out for the year.Big bummer for her and UCLA. That after I think a knee injury caused her to miss I think all of last year. She’s a tall, very fast, 2 footed, skillful forward who has impressed me greatly.

          • Aw what a shame for her. Hate to see that happen. Hopefully she can bounce back and get drafted next year.

          • Breakers fan

            It’s probably too late to red-shirt so I think this is it for her college career. I still think she’ll be a first round pick. Praying she falls to the Breakers in the 2nd round.

          • Breakers fan

            Morgan Andrews ….I can’t tell yet how good she is. She is very talented and one can see her passion for the game, but also I’ve noticed in the 4 games I’ve seen USC play, that she can be a bit rushed at times, sometimes too impulsive in her passing. She plays with a lot of energy, kind of hyped up and that can lead to some occasionally rash decisions, but she also makes calm, good decisions too. She’s in the game, she’s not daydreaming. And she is talented with both feet; she’s also become a pretty big person so she’s not going to get pushed around much. I wouldn’t take her with the first pick but I think that she’ll be one of probably the first 5 or 6 players taken.

          • Interesting on Morgan Andrews. She is probably the one name I would recognize even 2 years ago as one of the “fed names” that seemed like we would be forced into watching. For whatever reason, that hasn’t panned out. Little bit of drama with her switching from ND to USC.. I hope she turns out to be a good player at the next level. I hate to see kids not live up to their potential.

          • Breakers fan

            …hasn’t panned out *yet*, I would add; she seems to be going in the right direction. She’s fun to watch and is a bit of a showoman, meaning she’s apt to do a little goal celebration. In the last couple games I’ve seen 2 different ones – one a little hip-moving dance and yesterday when she scored her first of two vs. Stanford — a great 25 yard left-footed (non-dominant) blast into the upper near-post corner she pulled an imaginary arrow out of a quiver and then she pulled it back from her bow and let it fly. Her 2nd was a tap in from a first-rate non-selfish pass from Sydney Sladek, a promising junior forward/midfielder/

          • Definitely meant that as *yet* as well. Sounds like a good player. I like when they show personality like that too!

          • Breakers fan

            Nadia Gomes – BYU Junior – I think she’ll be the next great American midfielder, if given a chance.
            Tegan McGrady – Stanford Freshman – future starting LB.

          • mockmook

            Gomes does look good (as do many in their midfield).

            And, I can’t believe you have already dumped Biegalski — SHAME!!! SHAME!!! SHAME!!!

            ————-

            OK, don’t tell anyone, but here is the sneak peak (before the much anticipated official unveiling) of my latest and greatest twist on the 3-5-2

            http://drawformation.com/post/57f988b444ac7/sm-57f988b444ac7.png

            Inspired by the weird geometrics of Anson Dorrance’s 3-4-3, this formation boasts a much stronger midfield.

          • Breakers fan

            McGrady and Biegalski – all have 4 years of college ahead of them – enough time to separate the wheat from the chafff, though both may turn out to be wheat, NWSL grain.

            That formation and lineup selection? You’re a total animal.
            That’s a good thing in my book.

            Love the Ansonian influence. Weird but I’m sure it makes sense. I don’t know enough to know.

            The Naughton and Arlitt selections have the crowd buzzing……lots of chatter, and heated debate in the stands here at EQ-Land.

            How’s this for a lineup:

            Press
            Dunn Sanchez
            Brian
            K. Mewis Lavelle Gomes

            McGrady Sauerbrunn O’Hara

            Naeher

          • mockmook

            Not sure what formation you were actually contemplating — I’m a little skeptical if you are going with a 3-3-1-2-1

            But, all good players — so I shoehorned them into my formation:

            http://drawformation.com/post/57f9b817bbf4f/sm-57f9b817bbf4f.png

          • Breakers fan

            HAHAHA!

            Nicely done….. boom

            Biegalski
            lookin’ at me

            Thanks for the shoehorning. I’m good with your placements!

            Beat that team – anybody.

          • mockmook

            Fun “Fact”

            “My” formation is essentially what the Spirit used today against the Flash.

            I think they were going to use a 4-2-3-1 but then they changed tactics when the Flash came out in a 4-4-2 Diamond (therefore, the Spirit didn’t have to worry much about attacks from out wide).

          • Breakers fan

            I truly am AWFUL about noticing, paying attention to formations. Just hopelessly bad. It’s not on my radar for some reason. So thanks for this. I’ll try and keep it in mind if I go back and watch the game again.

          • mockmook

            Well, you’ll notice that something is amiss when you see that the “OBs” (Dydasco/Kleiner and Krieger) are kept half-way up the field — and, it is pretty clear that there are only three in the back — IOW, they mostly kept their shape, not like some clubs that are so fluid that formations are useless when trying to describe their tactics.

          • Breakers fan

            Thanks! I’ll look for that if I re-watch. I did have a friend over today who wanted to talk non-stop about mostly other things so that was something of a distraction but as a rule I don’t really think about formation in terms of numbers on lines, I look at individual play, passing, and to some lesser extent movement off of the ball.

          • mockmook

            OK, the following is a total waste of time, but I once said I was going to try it to see what happened:

            I made two teams. One was made from Forwards, the other from Defenders. I had posited that the team made of Defenders would be superior, and that appears to be correct.

            Anyway, to be eligible a player had to be listed (including split listings like F/M) as a F or D or clearly play the bulk of their time as F or D.

            Forwards:

            http://drawformation.com/post/57fc224815699/sm-57fc224815699.png

            Defenders:

            http://drawformation.com/post/57fc240e4cca4/sm-57fc240e4cca4.png

          • Breakers fan

            I’ll take the forwards – speed kills. What’s the wager and when can we stage this cage match?

            Those are fun formations, lineups.

            I’m ashamed that I have to google “Dallstream” – never heard of her, honestly. Love the appearance of Ms. Witteman – solid.

          • Breakers fan

            Brittany Taylor charging at goal!

            Averbuch resurrected!

            Yanez anchoring!

            Casey Short with her eye on goal!

          • mockmook

            The formation is (roughly) just 7 players somewhat equally spaced around a circle, and then 3 players in a central triangle that can be rotated to whatever orientation matches your objectives/requirements:

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/dd7d2ef611e7eda2e14256f22f049a6a55ef8eb550f8fa00121569402872fbab.png

          • Breakers fan

            Here’s another team:

            Jordan
            Morgan Pugh

            Nairn Heath Sullivan
            Kayla Mills

            Hinkle Kallman Meghan Cox (UVA)

            Emily Boyd (Cal)

          • mockmook

            http://drawformation.com/post/57fa4f6e8c19b/sm-57fa4f6e8c19b.png

            You’re just drawing random names out of a hat now, aren’t you? 🙂

          • mockmook

            BTW, it’s ridiculous how many good soccer games will be on today, isn’t it?

            And, another (better?) chance to see the stylings of Kia Rankin:

            http://www.espn.com/watchespn/index/_/id/2896230/duke-vs-nc-state

          • Steglitz49

            The key match in Damallsvenskan between Linköping and Rosengård is 0-0 at halftime. The attendance is great on a cold and wet afternoon.

            Rosengård won the Swedish cup by beating Linköping shortly after the OG.

          • Breakers fan

            I may go to the BC-V-Tech game as it’s the 2nd to last home game of the year for them. Otherwise I may do replays of some of the others. Stunned that the Pac-12 Network is not showing UCLA-Stanford. Sunday is a tough day to get airplay on that network, I guess. That should be a doozy. I’m also an NFL fan to some extent so I will take in some of that, not to mention the NWSL final – a full day excellent of sports viewing!

          • mockmook

            Stanford — UCLA will be live on the PAC-12 website:

            http://pac-12.com/womens-soccer/event/2016/10/09/stanford-ucla

            Tape delayed on the PAC12 network (Tuesday?).

          • mockmook

            OK, they were just messing with me.

            Now they show that there is no live stream. SMH

          • Breakers fan

            Yeah, I couldn’t find one – VERY odd. That’s one of the best games of the regular season!! Didn’t see it on replay either on the Pac-12 channel upcoming schedule. Hope there’s at least some highlights later.

            I didn’t make it to the BC – V Tech game. Did you hear what happened? I’ll just say this: OUCH!

          • mockmook

            “I didn’t make it to the BC – V Tech game.”

            They wouldn’t let you out this week, eh?

            Did you throw pudding at the orderly again? 😉

          • Breakers fan

            Haha – indeed. Detained. Why? They won’t tell me. They said if I don’t stop throwing the cake against the walls they’ll take away my Pac-12 channel privileges too! That stopped me.

          • mockmook

            Oh, the PAC-12 channel thing was my mistake/mis-read.

          • mockmook

            AH HA!!!!!!

            (please take this as friendly chiding/banter)

            I don’t want to hear any more of your riffs on “Please watch this team 1,273 times before making a judgment on player X”

            You’ve only watched Hatch one time and you’re calling her the REAL DEAL.

            Again, I say “AH HA!!!!”

          • Breakers fan

            Point taken, however I will add that I have also watched other highlights of her,and watched a coach of hers speaking about her, and I know that way back when – it’s in the historical record here – I was speaking about Crystal Dunn – that there are times when it *doesn’t* take a plethora of views to know when someone is good. That is the feeling I got about Hatch after what I have seen. So while generally I think it’s true that you need to see a player multiple times to have a good sense about her, and even with her I do admit that I should really see more, I was trying to get the message across with that comment that what I have seen has impressed me very much. But yeah, in a sense, and to a degree, you got me. 🙂

          • Breakers fan

            By the way, I was at the BC-FLA St. game last night. A real doozy! FLA St. did control the game a bit more and had missed some good chances but BC put up a tremendous showing. They needed it. Dowd’s goal, the tie-breaker at the time, was an *awesome* shot. Berman’s shot on the 1st goal was very nice too.

          • rkmid71

            As I think I said elsewhere, I like BC a lot. I think all they need to do is win 3 of next 5 to get into NCAA tourney. Maybe they can get by on 2 wins if they beat UVA. Those RPI experts could tell us. But if they get in and they are healthy, I could see them making a run, similar to Duke last year. The ACC is whole new ball of wax this year and looking forward. It’s not just the usual suspects and established order anymore.

          • Steglitz49

            College WoSo ought to get higher billing than it does.

          • Breakers fan

            Is it a max of 8 from the ACC to get into the NCAA tourney? Can more than that go from “wildcard” additions or is there a strict cap on only 8 going from any 1 conference? Just thinking that for a team to have beaten the #2 team in the country and have a bunch of other good, solid wins and potentially not even get into the tournament doesn’t seem right, if it comes to that.

          • rkmid71

            I don’t think there is strict cap. The ACC had 9 in 2012, 6 in 2014. BC didn’t have the strongest non-conference schedule, so I think they’ll need to get some solid ACC wins down the stretch and finish in that top 8 in the conference. They are sitting 10 out of 14 right now, but can move up quickly with some wins as outside of top 2 so far (Notre Dame and Duke) everyone else is relatively close. They don’t seem to have much margin for error though.

          • Breakers fan

            Thanks, glad to hear that maybe more than 8 can go. Tough conference but you do have to put up some wins in it to earn your wings. I think a lot of these ACC games can go either way, meaning the team that controls the run of play by and large may not come out on top in them, like the BC – NC St. game, though it was pretty close all around.

          • rkmid71

            BC has been starting/playing a lot of solid young players, but up top has two seasoned forwards/finishers (Meehan, Dowd). That’s why I’m bullish on them as they finish out season, as long as no major injuries. The youngers are gaining experience as they go. I wonder about depth though. This is an example of a team that I think would do even better with more gap between games, fewer subs allowed, etc.

          • Breakers fan

            Yep, no injuries to Meehan or Dowd one hopes. Dowd actually last night came out with something — didn’t seem too serious but I don’t know. A lot of young players, you’re right. Their backline seems good to me and the keeper I think is good. They strike as a team who should be in the game against almost anyone but also one that may not blow out that many good/solid teams so will have to work for most wins for close to 90 minutes.

          • Breakers fan

            Did you catch the USC-Stanford game from last night? I’m watching it now – just starting the 2nd half.

            UCLA-Cal was fun – Bruins with the equalizer in the final minute. They controlled the run of play, glad they didn’t lose that game.

      • atalba

        Watched Hatch today. I have seen her before. It’s just that BYU plays so many players forward and swarms the ball. They play so fast, with fast players, and quick passing. It’s fun to watch. Even Cat Whitehill got a kick watching and calling the game. That’s just it though. Year after year BYU plays with such speed of play it’s hard to pick out a player. I like Hatch’s size and speed. To me, she’s close the prototype American player. She could be more stronger, like Jordan. Hatch is a good player with speed and both feet. Jordan is dominant though. We’ll see what kind player shines at the national level.

  • BRASILEIRO

    1-It is now easier for Brazil.
    2-Mathias is a joke lmao

  • BRASILEIRO

    Swiss, this is your chance

    • Steglitz49

      Indeed but they are not good enough and key players are injured so the US has nothing to worry about.

      • dw

        And actually their quality up top really has the chance to create huge defensive liabilities for the Swiss. LD and RB can essentially play into the attacking third by themselves given the chance, which will open up their back 4 who should be no match for our attackers coming at them at speed with space in behind them. (Note use of SHOULD).

    • dw

      No solid or fast enough in the back. You can do without one or the other, perhaps, but not both…

      Maybe if Dickenmann and Bachmann put in 3 (or more).

  • x

    …4/5ths of the DoD is gone. Uh, Jill? That defense that won you a world cup? What the hell did you do to it?

    • CED

      Maybe you’re blind but they have all been playing mediocre to poorly.

    • DNG

      That defense was overhyped. Team defense won them the WC not just the work of the back line. Johnston and Klingenberg should be replaced by better players. I’m not 100% sure O’hara should be starting either.

      • rkmid71

        Yep. Even Rapinoe played very solid defense in the semis and finals. Never seen her put in that work like that before And Heath was solid defensively too. A functioning midfield (Brian, Holiday, Rapinoe, Heath) showed up in the nick of time. Solo had to make some big saves before that … eg. vs. Australia. However, Sauerbrunn was consistently quite good throughout.

        • Steglitz49

          What went wrong in OG-16?

          • dw

            The better question is “what went right?”

          • The France game? I’m reaching here..

          • dw

            Everyone stood for the anthem?

          • Steglitz49

            I honestly believe that they underestimated Sweden. This is understandable because the Swedes had played like turnips in their group. What was there to worry about?

          • rkmid71

            It didn’t help that the WC midfield noted above was no longer in tact. Holiday retired. Rapinoe ACL and not fit. Brian injured, not fit. Only Heath from that group was at 100%. And why we shot ourselves in the foot by rostering unfit players is a mystery.

          • DNG

            I think missing Holiday and not having a healthy Rapinoe made a big difference. The US’s build up play became too unbalanced without Rapinoe fit. The team also missed Holiday’s switches and composure in central midfield. The Olympic team was still good enough to win but those things didn’t help.

          • Steglitz49

            Lauren Holiday had made clear before WC-15 that she wished to retire from NT play. There was plenty of time to find a replacement.

            Why JE took an injured Pinoe to Rio will remain a mystery. I lean towards orders from on high and because she got away with obeying in WC-15, she bent over this time too.

          • Steglitz49

            About 30x more young ladies play soccer in the US than in Sweden.

  • tonysocref

    Don’t agree with all the selections, but JE’s hands were tied by the CBA.
    She was only allowed to bring in 8 professional non-contracted players and then filled it out with 3 amateurs.
    If USSF schedules any matches for the next FIFA window (21-29 Nov) then I see some called back in with maybe some different individuals added.

    • Rdalford

      where in CBA/MOU doc do you find the “only allowed to bring in 8” wording?

      • Rdalford

        Oh, ignore my question
        now see the CBA page reference for (only 8 floaters called in at any one time … wording) is among links in comment by HOFCToDi

    • Rdalford

      “tonysocref” please just ignore my question, found the CBA wording ref

      • tonysocref

        No problem. Have hard copy of CBA/MOU. Posted comment before I had scrolled down and saw HOFCToDi’s comment.
        And they wonder why some of us US Woso fans would love to see the CBA in it’s current form replaced with something along the lines of the USMNT contract.

        • Steglitz49

          Hear hear!

  • Lord Autumn-Bottom

    Interesting to look at who is returning and who isn’t. I suppose there’s no real significance to that, since this is just a pair of friendlies. Press surprises me most, I was sure her time was over. And I wasn’t expecting Long to be carried over to the next cycle either. Hooray for Ohai, Dahlkemper, Williams, and the Red Stars!

    • guest

      nah, especially not if her Red Stars teammates are going to make it… too much chemistry there. I think it’s going to be tough to unseat Press for the next cycle.

      • Lord Autumn-Bottom

        Good point, chemistry could be a bonus there.

        • Steglitz49

          Does not make any sense. A player who repeatedly can’t hack it has no place in an NT.

          If JE does not start to phase certain players out now, WC-19 will be an even greater mess than OG-16 was.

          • CED

            You’re a cluless as Ellis. Press is easily one of the best forwards they have, she single handedly has carried Chicago for 3 years. For club she is actually played in the right spot,unlike WNT where she has been played wide or in the silly Lloyd catered system which has made all the forwards look mediocre to bad, when against organized teams.

          • Steglitz49

            When Ms Press does not shoot over the bar she hits the bar. Sometimes it is the post too. To borrow from Oscar Wilde — To miss once when the chips are down is unfortunate; to miss twice seems like carelessness.

            Either way, she is not your go to player when it matters and top teams mark her out of the game too easily.

          • CED

            You haven’t a clue. You’re aming Ellis look smart and she’s a football idiot. Press is essentially the only other forward besides Dunn, that can create their own shot by taking a player 1 vs 1 consistently. She and Dunn are the only 2 footed forwards. Morgan’s right foot is a stump, useless.

          • DNG

            Dunn might be able to take that cutting in shot on her left pretty well but I definitely wouldn’t consider her two footed. She pales compared to Press in terms of shooting ability on her weak foot. Press’ shooting accuracy is far superior to Dunn’s in general.

          • Steglitz49

            It was not twice when it mattered in the past few months.

          • dw

            Steg it is much harder to hit a crossbar than an open net. Her accuracy in that regard is uncanny.

          • Steglitz49

            Touché!

          • HOFCToDi

            See above. Christen Press is a LOSER!

          • HOFCToDi

            CP12’s penalty shot sailed over the crossbar.

          • dw

            I just said it was hard to hit, didn’t I?

          • Breakers fan

            I definitely wouldn’t say Dunn’s left “pales in comparison” to Press’s left but I do agree that in general Press is the more accurate shooter.

          • DNG

            Press is the much more accurate shooter in my opinion. I don’t really think it’s a close comparison. Dunn does other things better.

          • Steglitz49

            “Stand by your woman”?

          • HOFCToDi

            Christen Press is a LOSER!

          • kernel_thai

            Dunn has been working on her left tho and isnt afraid to use it. Her goal against Thailand was a nice left footed strike.

          • Breakers fan

            Yes, and there are many, many other examples of solidly-struck left-footed balls from Dunn in the last 2 years.

          • DNG

            it’s still not always very accurate. Even that Thailand strike I think could have been placed better. I don’t think that shot beats Naeher. I’ve seen Press score dozens of curlers from outside the box with her left foot.

          • Steglitz49

            Dozens or no dozens, you must put away the ones that matter. Ask Helmut Rahn — except he is dead.

          • Breakers fan

            Really – dozens? Can you post video links for at least 24? Let’s not pretend Press also doesn’t shank shots. Not saying you’re doing that but it needs to be said here.

          • Steglitz49

            Christen has everything and in buckets except that final thing that separates the champion from the also rans.

          • HOFCToDi

            Christen Press
            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
            26 Jun 2015
            USA 1 CHN 0
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 2, Shots on Goal 0

            resources.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/02/65/35/93/eng_45_0626_chn-usa_fulltime.pdf

            Christen Press
            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
            22 Jun 2015
            USA 2 COL 0
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 1, Shots on Goal 0

            resources.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/02/65/26/11/eng_38_0622_usa-col_fulltime.pdf

            Christen Press
            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
            12 Jun 2015
            USA 0 SWE 0
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 2, Shots on Goal 0

            resources.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/02/64/73/21/eng_19_0612_usa-swe_fulltime.pdf

          • HOFCToDi

            Christen Press
            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
            05 Jul 2015
            USA 5 JPN 2
            Min – 0

            resources.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/02/66/12/93/eng_52_0705_usa-jpn_fulltime.pdf

            Christen Press
            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
            30 Jun 2015
            USA 2 GER 0
            Min – 0

            resources.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/02/65/52/49/eng_49_0630_usa-ger_fulltime.pdf

            Christen Press
            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
            16 Jun 2015
            USA 1 NGA 0
            Min – 0

            resources.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/02/65/00/60/eng_31_0616_nga-usa_fulltime.pdf

            Christen Press was BENCHED!

          • DNG

            Certainly am not pretending that Press doesn’t miss shots and my point was that I’ve seen Press score from outside the box way more than Dunn or any other US forward for that matter. I can probably find at least 4-5 this year.

          • Breakers fan

            I did agree above that Press is the more accurate shooter, but Dunn ain’t bad – remember that in SOG stats that shots just missing the frame count for zero while weak dribblers or soft floaters to the keeper count for 100. Dunn’s 2 shots vs. CRS in the playoff game were quite good, for a recent example.

          • DNG

            We’re going to disagree on this but I don’t think Dunn is a very accurate shooter. Position definitely matters so I’m not going to be able to compare their NWSL stats directly because that would be unfair to Dunn but I don’t think she’s anywhere near as accurate as Press despite some good shots. Her goal against the Red Stars in the game they lost was nice but she’s not consistent. Press had a down year by her standards only converting 8 of 62 shots. Press did put 63% of her shots on target though.

          • Breakers fan

            What I disagree about is how much better you think Press’s left foot is compared to Dunn. Maybe I think Dunn is a bit more accurate than you do, – or that when she takes shots it’s usually not a bad decision to do so, but you’re not getting an argument from me here about who the more accurate shooter is. At Dunn’s pace it is harder to make accurate shots, and she did lead the league in scoring last year so in the realm of shooting the ball I don’t really have a problem with her. One can, to me kind of nit-pick and find imperfections but I’m not going to do that. Probably impossible to find a consistently high SOG to goals scorer year-in and year-out in pro women’s soccer.

          • DNG

            “At Dunn’s pace it is harder to make accurate shots”

            Well of course but her pace is what allows her to create separation to take those shots. Without it they don’t come off so her shots are what they are. I disagree on Dunn’s left foot. It’s okay but not as good as her right foot. I think Press’ left foot is close to being just as good as her right foot. She led the league in scoring last year playing in a completely different system for the Spirit. Their direct style of play allowed her to run at back lines every game similar to how Ohai exploited her pace in the second half of this year. She got lots of quality shots because of how she was played by Parson and her skill on the ball. I don’t think that works against more compact defenses. It didn’t for Ohai when they played Portland at the end of this year

          • Breakers fan

            I agree Dunn’s left is definitely not as good as her right and also that Press’s isn’t either with her right and I’d say if Press’s right gets a 100 her left gets a 70. I think Press’s left is somewhat better than Dunn’s while you think it is A LOT better. That’s the disagreement we have, a fairly minor one. While I agree with your point about Dunn and how her pace gets her separation, that quality needs to be praised as those shots – even if they aren’t all accurate – don’t even happen with 95% of other players.
            And I probably think Dunn is better than you do in tight spaces – at being able to create enough separation there too to get shots off – see her incredible shot vs. I think England pretty recently – the one in the top right corner, and also in the Colombia game in Hartford, CT last year.

          • DNG

            Her shot against England was outstanding but that’s not something she does all that often. We definitely disagree about her work in tight spaces. I don’t think it’s that good and her touch seems to let her down. She is much more suited to the open spaces on the wing where she can pretty much beat anyone 1v1. RWB would be my preferred position for Dunn. I don’t think that some of those shots Dunn takes near the edge of the area are good shots to attempt. They are converted at a low percentage for even the best shooters.

          • Breakers fan

            While we have some degree of disagreement here on some things you make legitimate, good points. Thanks for your observations.

          • Breakers fan

            Just to state the obvious – her shot against England is not someone ANYONE does “all that often”. With a good amount of players it’s safe to say “ever does”.

          • DNG

            Yeah, I agree. That’s really what I’m talking about in my last sentence too. If it’s not a shot that is usually successful for anyone, chances are it’s not a great shot. That being said she took that chance brilliantly.

          • Steglitz49

            The WoSo fan in the street is only interested in the answer to one question: when the chips are down and your back is against the wall, which US player do you turn to to deliver the goods?

          • DNG

            Again very small sample size.

          • Steglitz49

            We all know their names and we can name them for other nations too. The real McCoys stand out while the also-rans fade into the woodwork.

          • HOFCToDi

            The “Press Gang Troll Brigade” has spewed the same garbage for nearly four years. The statute of limitations has run out for excuses. The “Press Gang Troll Brigade” are grasping at straws.

          • Breakers fan

            Do you agree that some err on the side of “not taking a shot, fiddling around excessively in some search for absolute perfection, with the result being that a shot never gets taken in that sequence, while a turnover does occur” while with some players – yes they will miss but they will hit too with such shots so good on them for having the guts to fire away? I am of that opinion sometimes and Dunn is in my group of players I’m ok with it happening, sometimes, not always.

          • DNG

            I’d say that typically a shot like that turns into a turnover. If a team has the ability to work the ball around and back into a dangerous position, I don’t think you take the shot. Against the English I was fine with it because their defense was suffocating the attack all match. I actually really liked how Heath, Klingenberg and Dunn isolated those three defenders before Dunn cut inside. What I’d prefer to see after Dunn turns Houghton is a forward making the near post run and another player trailing near the penalty spot.

          • Breakers fan

            Tough call – when you have some great shot takers in a very real sense possibly (15% maybe?) scoring there, vs. some hope of a beautiful pass sequence that comes hardly ever with our team – and one which may not lead to any better shot coming, but I see your point and it’s legitimate. Worst case, though on a missed long-ish shot – goal kick and you may get the ball back 5 seconds later to try again.

          • DNG

            15% is way too high. I think it’d be closer to 5% but that’s a complete guess based on some of the maps I’ve seen made from the men’s game so I could be wrong. I don’t think they need to be beautiful all the time but I do generally think “beautiful goals” are what they should be aiming for because they generally result from better quality chances. One of Pugh’s cutbacks to Lloyd right on the 6 is direct and an excellent scoring chance. I’m all for those. The problem is that when teams know that’s you main plan of attack they defend to stop it and then more ideas are needed.

          • Breakers fan

            The % depends on where the shot is being taken from. We may have 2 different places in mind. In general it’s probably safe to say that while in some instances I agree with you I come down simply more -not sure exactly how much more — on the side of it being at times ok for certain players to try a long-ish shot due to the high reward at stake and the chance that you could very well get the ball back very soon anyway. The specifics of my decisions about this depend on the exact ball location and who might be taking the shot.

          • DNG

            I was just talking about Dunn’s shot on the England goal. I actually just re-watched it and it was a great goal. It’s still a very low percentage shot though. The window she put that ball in was air tight. Press ironically enough was making the near post run I wanted. Morgan was not moving much waiting on the back post and Lloyd was standing at the top of the 18. Lloyd should have been moving to goal on that play in my opinion. Shots taken from outside the 18 in Men’s football are converted about 3 percent of the time for players not named Messi.

            http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/lionel-messi-is-impossible/

          • Breakers fan

            No doubt it’s low % but her taking it ended up winning or tying the game, I can’t recall the result. Thanks for that other, 3%, stat. My 15% did seem high. But the only way that 3% stat means anything in this discussion would be for someone to do research on “number of times a player had a possible shot from approx. that point and took a shot” vs. “# of times a player had that kind of shot, didn’t take it and tried a pass instead, then what % of the time did his team score on *that* sequence, with no turnover happening in between”? Then we could talk with some intelligence and real data in comparing the two possible ways of acting in such a situation.

          • DNG

            Maybe my edit was too late but not all shots from outside the box have a 3 percent chance of resulting in a goal just like not all shots inside the box have a 13 percent chance. Dunn’s shot was actually inside the 18 but was at an angle with players in front of her and she was moving away from goal. The shot had a very high degree of difficulty. Again I didn’t have a problem with her taking the shot at the time. England’s defense was excellent in that match. Also player’s skill matters on every shot.Even though I really like Tobin as a player and think she helps the team win. I don’t really want her taking too many shots unless they are very good chances she shouldn’t pass up.

          • mockmook

            Coincidentally, I was thinking about something very similar last night.

            I was wondering why Fleming (Canada) is so good. Obviously, talent is an important component — but I think other factors are equally important.

            First, she is an extreme athletic extrovert — she wants to be the center of attention (for her play, in the moment of playing) — many other athletes don’t want that “responsibility”.

            Second, she has extreme confidence — she will try that 40yd run through 3 defenders and “know” she’ll come out the other side — many other athletes play it safe.

            Third, she has extreme determination — she never quits moving, never quits competing.

            IOW, she will take that shot.

          • Breakers fan

            Well, very well said. Thank you. I think those things are key and essential in a great player. I think that I’m having trouble adding to it, other than to say that there is also the component in players “like that” of having loved the game for a long time and having put in the work, the sheer time on the ball to develop that facility with it. Then what can come out of that, knowing what one can do with the ball, is the things you mention. A lot of that work (“play” is a more accurate word) was probably solo work, alone, with the ball, but it wasn’t a chore because she loves it. Put that, natural athletic ability, and the things you mention and you can have a great player. And even with them mistakes are made at times because there’s a lot of talent on the field around them.

          • DNG

            Lloyd has all of those traits as well. Talent and skill are probably are what separate the two. Players need to know their own limitations though. If she ever runs into a team who can match up with her physically and stop her. Those attributes that make her good most of the time could end up hurting her team. 40yd runs through 3 defenders will not have a high success rate against top class defenders. I stare in awe when Messi pulls off one of those runs because even for him they aren’t frequent.

          • Breakers fan

            I have to go but I’ll check back later.

          • HOFCToDi

            Christen Press
            2016 Summer Olympic Games
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 6, Shots on Goal 1
            Penalty Kicks Attempted 1, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

            Crystal Dunn
            2016 Summer Olympic Games
            Goals 1, Assists 1, Shots Attempted 6, Shots on Goal 3
            Penalty Kicks Attempted 0, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

            rio2016.com/en/football-womens-first-round-group-g

            rio2016.com/en/football-womens-first-round-group-g-fb-3

            rio2016.com/en/football-womens-first-round-group-g-fb-5

            rio2016.com/en/football-womens-quarterfinal-fb-3

          • Breakers fan

            Evidence here of Dunn being a more accurate shooter. Small sample size but an important setting.

          • HOFCToDi

            The only performance that matters for the USWNT is with the USWNT.

            Christen Press
            2016 SheBelieves Cup
            Goals – 0
            Assists – 0

            Crystal Dunn
            2016 SheBelieves Cup
            Goals – 1
            Assists – 0

          • HOFCToDi

            The only performance that matters for the USWNT is with the USWNT.

            Christen Press
            2016 Rio Olympics
            Goals – 0, Assists – 0

            Crystal Dunn
            2016 Rio Olympics
            Goals – 1, Assists – 1

            Christen Press
            2016 SheBelieves Cup
            Goals – 0, Assists – 0

            Crystal Dunn
            2016 SheBelieves Cup
            Goals – 1, Assists – 0

            Christen Press
            2016 CWOQ
            Goals – 2, Assists – 1

            Crystal Dunn
            2016 CWOQ
            Goals – 6, Assists – 1

          • Breakers fan

            Yes, I have noted that Dunn skeptics are a tough bunch to thoroughly crack.

          • HOFCToDi

            The “Press Gang Troll Brigade” has spewed the same garbage for nearly four years. The statute of limitations has run out for excuses. The demented members of the “Press Gang Troll Brigade” are grasping at straws.

          • HOFCToDi

            The “Press Gang Troll Brigade” has spewed the same garbage for nearly four years. The statute of limitations has run out for excuses.

            FIFA Top Ten Ranked Opponents
            USWNT Goals Scored
            Morgan (DOB 02 Jul 1989) – 34
            Leroux (DOB 07 May 1990) – 8
            Press (DOB 29 Dec 1988) – 3
            Johnston (DOB 06 Apr 1992) – 2
            Dunn (DOB 03 Jul 1992) – 2
            Horan (DOB 26 May 1994) – 2
            Mewis (DOB 09 Oct 1992) – 1

          • HOFCToDi

            Crystal Dunn is a winner.

            youtube.com/watch?v=2K9Z79VpnsY

            1:16

          • Breakers fan

            Thank you for this. I saw it a few months ago myself. While Ohai’s shot gets mentioned regularly here look at who and how it was set up. To me that’s the real great play here. Ohai’s shot is excellent and deserves mention, but this is basically “silver platter”-set up stuff. How many people mention Dunn’s role in this World Cup-winning goal? What a move she makes there to break free, and the pass to Ohai — nice and easy, able to be struck hard and with accuracy. People say her touch is “too heavy” — not here. Killion’s lead pass deserves mention too.

          • HOFCToDi

            Alex Morgan is a winner.

            youtube.com/watch?v=PacY7Enz9hQ

          • Breakers fan

            Wonderful, thank you. Her determination was evident and was essential. Then a hell of a shot in a big game.

            Are you watching the Cubs tonight? No idea if you’re a baseball fan or if you like the blue team or the black one of your town.

          • Steglitz49

            We used to watch the play-offs in the World series a bit and the final obviously but never flet for a given team while in the NFL it was either the Patriots of the Giants.

          • Steglitz49

            The Veterans had to be satisfied and satiated in WC-15. Some players were left out in the cold.

            It would be interesting to interview the 2015 winners in say 2043 and ask how they then see their winners medals.

          • HOFCToDi

            youtube.com/watch?v=9ePIZugahFc

          • HOFCToDi

            Christen Press
            International Women’s Friendly
            18 Sep 2016
            USA 3 NED 1
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 2, Shots on Goal 0

            foxsports.com/soccer/boxscore?id=32516

            Christen Press
            International Women’s Friendly
            9 Jul 2016
            USA 1 RSA 0
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 2, Shots on Goal 0

            foxsports.com/soccer/boxscore?id=26928

            Christen Press
            International Women’s Friendly
            5 Jun 2016
            USA 2 JPN 0
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 2, Shots on Goal 1

            foxsports.com/soccer/boxscore?id=26862

            Christen Press
            International Women’s Friendly
            2 Jun 2016
            USA 3 JPN 3
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 2, Shots on Goal 0

            foxsports.com/soccer/boxscore?id=26754

          • GNC

            Not a Press hater, but genuinely curious – have any of these amazing goals been scored in games of consequence? When it really matters?

            I think Press is a great player, no doubt about it, but I’ve yet to see her score big goals in big moments. If she can prove she’s a difference maker for the NT then I see no reason not to start her, but she hasn’t proven that yet.

          • DNG

            She scored the tying goal in the 81st minute against the spirit in the semifinal. All anyone seems to want to remember is her miss after. She scored in the Australia match at the WC. What is a game of consequence to you? I assume you realize that judging a player solely on KO performances is an extremely small sample.

          • GNC

            I completely agree, but I think her performance in KO stages is more of a reflection of her character as a player than her ability. Getting in your head and not pulling through when your team needs you to is just as telling as all of the great goals she scored that didn’t matter in the grand scheme of things.

          • DNG

            Small sample sizes are unreliable. You certainly sound like a Press hater.

          • Steglitz49

            Sounds more like an unbiased but acute observer.

          • DNG

            I like your humor Steg and I know you know statistics. I do think there are times when the pressure gets to her but saying she can’t do something based on a small sample is silly and judging her value as a player off that is asinine.

          • Steglitz49

            Thank you. Christen has fabulous skills and plays a beautiful game but is not terribly physical. Maybe Nécib (now Cadamuro) is a good comparison. Unfortunately, like Louisa, in key matches she goes AWOL or is marked out of the game.

            I contend that had she stayed at Gbg Christen would have grown more than what she did but she has her WC winners medal so it was all worth it in the end.

          • GNC

            Who’s judging her value as a player based on this sample size? It’s simply another way to look at different parts of a player’s game.

            However, it is interesting, whether the findings are either negative or positive, to look at a player’s history of performance in games that matter and draw whatever conclusions from it that you will.

          • DNG

            How are you defining character and value? What’s the distinction?

          • GNC

            I consider value as technical ability – she has it. Obviously.

            Character is different, it’s the mental game, it’s the ability to keep your head up when you miss an important PK – not swear off social media because you can’t handle the negativity. It’s leaving everything and then some on the field every game.

            This isn’t news, Christen herself has said she doesn’t like being in the pressure cooker, doesn’t like taking the last PK, and has a tendency to get in her own head. She’s struggled with self-confidence.

            Her mental game is her achilles heel, and her body of work in important games (limited as those minutes may have been) shows it.

            What player do you want in the final minutes of an important game: the one who knows she has what it takes to get the job done or the one who lacks self-confidence?

            If she can get over this one aspect, she has the makings to be something truly great.

          • DNG

            Many people would say that character and value are directly related to one another. Also, in case you were wondering Press has played less than 70 minutes in the KO stages of the Olympics and WC over the last 2 years. Carli Lloyd by comparison has played 480.

          • Steglitz49

            The 2008 OG final gave Carli a foundation to stand on.

          • HOFCToDi

            The “Press Gang Troll Brigade” has spewed the same garbage for nearly four years. The statute of limitations has run out for excuses. So jealous! Oh, so jealous!

            youtube.com/watch?v=FluNg_FMfzg

            youtube.com/watch?v=YO4mqQTLnvk

            youtube.com/watch?v=mBosyOJ3PIY

          • Steglitz49

            It is too late for the leopardess to change her spots.

            Had she stayed in Gbg, it might have happened — but then there is no guarantee that she would have that WC winners medal or that Coppertone contract.

          • mockmook

            “I know you know statistics”

            That’s the funniest thing I’ve read in weeks…

          • DNG

            Ha well you’re right I don’t really know. But the times he has mentioned using medians instead of means has merit to it from a statistics standpoint so I guess I assumed he has some fairly basic knowledge.

          • HOFCToDi

            Christen Press has proven to be an international fraud.

          • Breakers fan

            You have to admit that you bashed Morgan HARD for that play vs. NED when what you were claiming was clearly debatable but you seem to be giving Press basically a free ride on much easier goal-scoring opportunities. I think Press is fantastic – check my posts for the last 2 years – and should still play but you should be consistent in your standards of criticism.

          • Steglitz49

            It is typical behavior of the Pressgang. Why are you surprised?

            One is a mega-star and the other plays WoSo.

          • HOFCToDi

            Alex Morgan was already a WINNER at the age of 19.

            youtube.com/watch?v=PacY7Enz9hQ

            fifa.com/theclub/news/newsid=999807/index.html

          • DNG

            I bashed Morgan for her decision making not her execution. If Morgan had attempted to make a pass and missed on the execution. I might not have mentioned it and I wouldn’t have been nearly as hard on her. I’m pretty sure I have mentioned how ridiculous it is to see Lloyd take shots from 35 yards out.

          • Breakers fan

            Not going back into that play but her decision-making was eminently debatable there – it may not have been what you think it was, based on Horan being completely covered just before and then Morgan getting mugged soon after. I’m referring to how hard you came down on the respective 2 players in relation to the plays involved.

          • DNG

            I said the miss was terrible and that pressure seems to get to her in key moments. What else was there to say. I would have been very critical of Press had she been the one to shoot with a player wide open in front of goal. I think we’ve reached an impasse here though.

          • Steglitz49

            There is no impasse. There is a failure of yourself to objectively assess the evidence.

          • HOFCToDi

            Alex Morgan was already a WINNER at the age of 19.

            youtube.com/watch?v=PacY7Enz9hQ

            fifa.com/theclub/news/newsid=999807/index.html

          • Breakers fan

            You did say that after the game and now have said it again today – that’s good. I too gave her credit for her goal and for her CRS season.
            About the other play – yes an impasse as you don’t think my points have any legitimacy in the world of real soccer playing.

          • DNG

            I think they have legitimacy I just don’t think what you described is how it happened:)

          • Breakers fan

            Fair. And I say the same about your view, thus the impasse. At the least it’s, as I wrote, “eminently debatable”.

          • HOFCToDi

            Christen Press has scored one NWSL playoff goal in two NWSL playoff games. Lynn Williams has scored two NWSL playoff goals in one NWSL playoff game. Amy Rodriguez has scored six NWSL playoff goals in four NWSL playoff games.

          • Steglitz49

            Thank you. It is a simple and clearcut presentation of the facts. The interpretation is there for everyone to see.

          • HOFCToDi

            I have already seen enough this calendar year.

            Press has yet to score a goal or register an assist versus a Top 20 FIFA Ranked opponent in calendar year 2016.

            Not once has Christen Press been named Budweiser Woman of the Match in calendar year 2016.

            ussoccer.com/womens-national-team/results-statistics

          • Steglitz49

            One has a consistent body of achievement going back 6 years while the other last achieved something of significance on the pitch in 2012. By their fruit ye shall know them. Tutti fruity.

          • So everyone who hasn’t had game winners since 2012 shouldn’t be on the team? That leaves who, Morgan and Lloyd? What a team…

          • Steglitz49

            DNG makes exaggerated claims for his pet player. Those claims do not stand up to even the simplest of tests.

            If the Pressgang did not make these inflated claims, nobody would argue with them but it is this in the teeth of the evidence garbage that brings out some of the punters.

            WoSo is full of this, much to its detriment.

          • Well I could argue it the other way for you. Press had an excellent NWSL season. Hit the crossbar in a semi-final and it’s all you remember. What about the great one-timer she scored in the 81st to even tie the game? Or the fact that the Red Stars rely so heavily on her and she led them to the playoffs? You don’t give her any credit for anything, so it goes both ways.

          • Steglitz49

            Not correct. I have always given Christen credit for her brilliant season with Göteborg in 2012. That play got her an Alternate at OG-12 and her first cap for Sermanni.

            Playing for Göteborg Christen was 2nd in the goalscoring Queen list, only bested by Anja Mittag by 2 measly goals. Christen helped Gbg retain the Swedish Cup scoring for them in the final against Tyresö! Christen took Gbg to the QF of the ladies Champions League.

            If winning a WC winners medal is the aim of the game, Christen plotted her career with aplomb. I contend that after leaving Gbg she stopped developing as a player. It shows. Had she stayed at Gbg, Christen would have continued to grow and increase. Now she has her WC winners medal to keep her warm at nights.

          • It’s seems as though you’ve written her off for leaving Göteborg. Girl didn’t really have a choice.

          • Steglitz49

            After leaving Gbg Christen became Goalscoring queen, an individual award, the one she was second for with the weaker Gbg. That is all she won in tournaments that mattered till the WC-15. She won no team trophy at Tyresö and she has won no team trophy in the NWSL.

            But she has her WC winners medal to curl up to on chilly nights. That is more than most players have. Marta does not, nor does Nécib nor Marklund. Life goes on.

          • DNG

            If you include club play Press is not the player people seem to be making exaggerated claims for.

          • Exactly. She scored 3 fewer goals than the golden boot winner, and played 6 fewer games.

          • HOFCToDi

            Nearly 4 years, 76 senior caps, 2 head coaches is not a small sample size at the international level.

          • GNC

            How? Because I said she is a great player and has talent? Because on other articles here I’ve said I would like to see her and Morgan given more time together because I think it could be a great pairing given time? Just because I have one negative thing to say about her doesn’t make me a hater.

            Again, no doubt she is talented and can score. The point I was trying to make is that looking at performance in games of consequence is one way to determine a player’s character and worth. It’s easy to be great on smaller stages and extremely hard to be great on big ones.

            Her mental game is not very strong and I think that is the biggest thing going against her. After missing the PK in Rio, she admitted to swearing off social media – not exactly behavior of someone who could weather a storm.

          • DNG

            All matches are important even if some are more important than others. My point still stands that there is only so much you can take from a players performance in so few minutes during important matches. It is an unreliable way to evaluate a player’s character or skill unless they have accumulated a significant number of minutes in said matches. Press really hasn’t accumulated many minutes at all with the NT during the KO rounds of major tournaments.

          • Steglitz49

            The reason she has not accumulated those minutes is because she can’t hack it when the heat is on.

            Total opposite of Alex and even Carli.

          • DNG

            How do you know she can’t hack it? she’s played less than 70 minutes in KO stages of the last two tournaments. A completely ridiculous decision from Ellis not to bring her on sooner against Sweden.

          • Steglitz49

            She hacked it for Göteborg in spades. She has not hacked it since.

          • Hans Castorp

            Press is bigtime afraid of other players. Anytime she gets close to an opposing player she tenses up and loses focus. It’s not helped her at all in big moments.

          • Breakers fan

            I think this is overstated but I will acknowledge that I have seen evidence of that which you speak, and that in this regard there seems to be a stark contrast between Morgan and Press. Press strikes me as a player who, one could say wisely, tries her damnedest to use her skills to avoid contact and get past other players – the goal of the sport alas.
            But I defer to CRS fans who have seen her play a lot more than I have to say just how assiduously she strives to avoid physical contact. Again, though, ideally, you *do* want to avoid contact and come away cleanly with the ball.

          • Steglitz49

            She has never been injured, at least not signficiantly, which fits with your analysis.

          • HOFCToDi

            The “Press Gang Troll Brigade” has spewed the same garbage for nearly four years. The statute of limitations has run out for excuses. The “Press Gang Troll Brigade” are grasping at straws.

            Christen Press
            2016 Summer Olympic Games
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 6, Shots on Goal 1
            Penalty Kicks Attempted 1, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

            rio2016.com/en/football-womens-first-round-group-g-fb-5

            rio2016.com/en/football-womens-quarterfinal-fb-3

            Christen Press
            2016 SheBelieves Cup
            Goals – 0
            Assists – 0

          • HOFCToDi

            Christen Press
            2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup
            12 Jun 2015
            USA 0 SWE 0
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 2, Shots on Goal 0

            resources.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/02/64/72/20/eng_19_0612_usa-swe_tacticalstartlist.pdf

            resources.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/02/64/72/20/eng_19_0612_usa-swe_tacticalstartlist.pdf

            Christen Press
            2016 Rio Olympics
            12 Aug 2016
            USA 1 SWE 1
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 2, Shots on Goal 0
            Penalty Kicks Attempted 1, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

            rio2016.com/en/football-womens-quarterfinal-fb-3

          • Well to clarify, she said she thought she was going to swear off social media. But she didn’t.. not that it matters really one way or another. And how is that any better than Carli flat out blocking anyone who uses her name in a even slightly negative light? At least Press endures the haters. Neither matters to the game of soccer..

          • GNC

            My comment has absolutely nothing to do with Carli. CP has admitted to struggling with self-confidence and the mental aspects of the game.

            So… yeah I would say implying she was planning to swear off social media after one of the biggest failures of her career is pretty telling of her mental strength.

            The difference between CP and CL is that CL has always had the ability to score in big games, and doesn’t struggle with confidence issues. Negativity has no impact on her game, for CP, it does.

          • HOFCToDi

            youtube.com/watch?v=9ePIZugahFc

          • Steglitz49

            “Hater” is a strong word and too strong in this case.

            In the 2014-15 season Mandy Islacker was equal 25th in the German goalscoring league with 5(0) goals. In the Champions League final she scored the winner in the 90+2*. She was not picked for WC-15. Then Mandy won the 2015-16 goalscoring league with 17(2) goals. This season so far she is 3rd equal with 3(0) goals after 4 matches. She still plays for Frankfurt.

          • HOFCToDi

            The “Press Gang Troll Brigade” has spewed the same garbage for nearly four years. The statute of limitations has run out for excuses.

            Nearly 4 years, 76 senior caps, and 2 head coaches is not a small sample size.

          • HOFCToDi

            The “Press Gang Troll Brigade” has spewed the same garbage for nearly four years. The statute of limitations has run out for excuses.

            At the age of 24, Carli Lloyd has scored more goals at the 2007 Algarve Cup than Christen Press has at three Algarve Cups (2013, 2014, 2015).

            en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Algarve_Cup

            By the way, Christen Press has never been named Best Player at the Algarve Cup.

          • HOFCToDi

            The “Press Gang Troll Brigade” has spewed the same garbage for nearly four years. The statute of limitations has run out for excuses.

            At the age of 21, Alex Morgan scored as many goals at the 2011 Algarve Cup as Christen Press has at three Algarve Cups (2013, 2014, 2015).

            en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Algarve_Cup

            By the way, Christen Press has never been named Best Player at the Algarve Cup.

          • HOFCToDi

            The “Press Gang Troll Brigade” has spewed the same garbage for nearly four years. The statute of limitations has run out for excuses.

            At the age of 22, Alex Morgan scored more goals at two Algarve Cups (2011, 2012) than Christen Press has at three Algarve Cups (2013, 2014, 2015).

            en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Algarve_Cup

            en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Algarve_Cup

            By the way, Christen Press has never been named Best Player at the Algarve Cup.

          • HOFCToDi

            The “Press Gang Troll Brigade” has spewed the same garbage for nearly four years. The statute of limitations has run out for excuses.

            Summer Olympic Games
            Games Started
            Leroux – 0
            Press – 1

            Summer Olympic Games
            Minutes Played
            Leroux – 77
            Press – 123

            Summer Olympic Games
            Goals Scored
            Leroux – 1
            Press – 0

            ussoccer.com/stories/2014/07/28/10/50/140728_2012-olympic-stats

            ussoccer.com/womens-national-team/tournaments/2016-olympic-games#tab-5

          • HOFCToDi

            Christen Press
            International Women’s Friendly
            18 Sep 2016
            USA 3 NED 1
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 2, Shots on Goal 0

            foxsports.com/soccer/boxscore?id=32516

            Christen Press
            2016 Summer Olympic Games
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 6, Shots on Goal 1
            Penalty Kicks Attempted 1, Penalty Kicks Converted 0

            rio2016.com/en/football-womens-first-round-group-g-fb-5

            rio2016.com/en/football-womens-quarterfinal-fb-3

            Christen Press
            International Women’s Friendly
            9 Jul 2016
            USA 1 RSA 0
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 2, Shots on Goal 0

            foxsports.com/soccer/boxscore?id=26928

            Christen Press
            International Women’s Friendly
            5 Jun 2016
            USA 2 JPN 0
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 2, Shots on Goal 1

            foxsports.com/soccer/boxscore?id=26862

            Christen Press
            International Women’s Friendly
            2 Jun 2016
            USA 3 JPN 3
            Goals 0, Assists 0, Shots Attempted 2, Shots on Goal 0

            foxsports.com/soccer/boxscore?id=26754

          • HOFCToDi

            The “Press Gang Troll Brigade” has spewed the same garbage for nearly four years. The statute of limitations has run out for excuses.

            Christen Press
            2016 SheBelieves Cup
            Goals – 0
            Assists – 0

          • Steglitz49

            The great Helmut Rahn scored 21 goals in his 40 games for Germany. Today he is remembered for one: the winning goal in the 1954 WC final, the so-called Miracle in Bern.

            Rahn also scored the equalizer in the WC-54 final and passed for the claw-back goal but it is for his winner that he is remembered.

          • rkmid71

            It’s a little depressing that the Mighty Magyars couldn’t win that match (I think it was in heavy rain). I saw that Puskas (on a fractured ankle) equalized in the final minutes, but was ruled offside. No team in the history of int’l football had a higher Elo rating than the 1954 MM until Germany in 2014. They had beaten Germany 8-3 in group stage.

          • Steglitz49

            Verily and forsooth. That is why it is called the Miracle in Bern just like the Swedes dubbed the match in Brasilia Miracle on Grass.

            The heavy rain was known as “Fritz Walter weather” in germany because he loved playing in the rain. No doubt the rain ruined the passing play of the Mighty Magyars.

            WoSo had to wait till 2011 for a final of the same importance but they got it in 2011.

          • guest

            She scored against France in the final of the 2015 Algarve Cup.

          • GNC

            is that the only one?

          • HOFCToDi

            The “Press Gang Troll Brigade” has spewed the same garbage for nearly four years. The statute of limitations has run out for excuses.

            Press has yet to score a goal or register an assist versus a Top 20 FIFA Ranked opponent in calendar year 2016.

          • HOFCToDi

            The “Press Gang Troll Brigade” has spewed the same garbage for nearly four years. The statute of limitations has run out for excuses.

            Not once has Christen Press been named Budweiser Woman of the Match in calendar year 2016.

            ussoccer.com/womens-national-team/results-statistics

          • Paddy

            Well, that settles it.

          • HOFCToDi

            The only time Christen Press scored against France was when both starting centerbacks, Laura Georges and Wendie Renard, were out of the lineup.

          • So?

          • HOFCToDi

            So, you’re a dumbass.

          • Steglitz49

            France was not in his list.

          • HOFCToDi

            The “Press Gang Troll Brigade” has spewed the same garbage for nearly four years. The statute of limitations has run out for excuses.

            FIFA Top Ten Ranked Opponents
            USWNT Goals Scored
            Morgan (DOB 02 Jul 1989) – 34
            Leroux (DOB 07 May 1990) – 8
            Press (DOB 29 Dec 1988) – 3

          • HOFCToDi

            The “Press Gang Troll Brigade” has spewed the same garbage for nearly four years. The statute of limitations has run out for excuses.

            Not once has Christen Press scored a goal against the following Top Ten FIFA Ranked opponents:

            GER, ENG, SWE, JPN, BRA, PRK, CAN

          • Steglitz49

            Alex Morgan’s goal against Italy was scored with her right foot. Alex’s most famous goal is a header.

            Granted, Alex favors her left foot but her record over the past 6 years is impressive by any standards. I leave it to HOFCToDi to assess for you Christen’s strengths.

          • CED

            HoFCTodi knows nothing about the game and is guided by pure hate and not facts or objective assessment.

          • Steglitz49

            We can agree, surely, that Alex Morgan’s right foot does the needful when called upon, does it not?

            Hate is a strong word. Maybe “despise” will do?

            As for facts and evidence, we have had two examples of Ms Press Achilles heel within a couple of months of each other. How many do you need to add to all the other ones?

          • CED

            There ar dozens of examples of so called heralded forwards like Morgan achilles heel, the first being she’s made of glass, has no right foot, poor in possession, needs to be fed as she can’t create on her own often, little to no versatility etc..

          • Steglitz49

            What is Aya Miyama famous for? Her freekicks and her penalties. Anything else?

            We think of the WC-11 final as Morgan’s coming out party but it really was Miyama’s match.

          • Yep

  • truf

    wow, this match is sure to be a complete mess of ugly football.

    • Guest

      Probably the opposite, actually.

    • CED

      How is that anything worse than the stupid system catering to a turnover machine, foul machine, mediocre skilled bull in a china shop, that is lazy.

    • dw

      In other words, no difference.

  • Guest

    Why Mathias over Dydasco, Kleiner, Skroski, Ochs, Barnes, etc etc ??????

    • mockmook

      I think Mathias makes a pretty decent wide mid — good enough on offense and very aggressive on defense.

      • Guest

        Her aggressiveness on defense has caused a handful of PKs in her short time on defense, and a plethora of other fouls which matter more now since She sits closer to the goal

        And her offense leaves something to be desired. She’s played CF For nearly 2 whole seasons now and has scored what, 2 goals?

        • Yea I think we can agree there were more deserving players than Merritt Mathias. Maybe Jill wants to call in some who won’t unseat the vets?

        • mockmook

          Uh, she won’t be giving up PKs at wide mid.

      • Breakers fan

        I *think* Julie King is better than Mathias, but I’m not certain.

        • AlexH

          She only has to be good enough to lite a fire under Klings butt. If she does that she has served her purpose. If she is good enough to win the position, so much the better.

          • Breakers fan

            She certainly would do that. She outjumped Abby Wambach for a ball a couple years ago, has scored several header goals off of set pieces, and played hoops at Auburn too so I have to think she’s faster than Klinger.

        • mockmook

          Really would like to see King surrounded by good players — see how high her level is.

          She seemed so frustrated this season (with good cause), but I wonder if she was contributing to the negativity.

          • Breakers fan

            I know. Same for me also along with K. Mewis, Kassey Kallman, Louise Schillgard, Mollie Pathman before her retirement.
            Would be fun to get an inside story of the Breakers season but in the big picture of course it’s such a small story that no publishing houses are clamoring for it. The big question now for me is: Who will return of the better players?

          • Steglitz49

            The attendance went up and stayed up even after he debacle in Brasilia. That is something to build on.

            Figure out why and expand into the easy territories. This could be the best attended NWSL team after Portland. Maybe the next Championship final should be in Boston?

          • Breakers fan

            But this thing about “negativity”….that is I think Beard’s description, correct? Who’s to say it wasn’t warranted, justified? Why does Beard necessarily get a pass, get Saint status? Maybe, if it was widespread – a feeling of discontent — then the owner should respect those feelings, look into the situation more deeply, and then make a change if he felt the players had a legitimate gripe? This is total speculation – it could “go the other way”, but it’s the other possible side of the coin from what we hear from Beard. I think you have also said that maybe Beard isn’t the best guy for the job. I don’t know but would like to know.

          • Steglitz49

            I expect Boston to let Beard play out his contract. If he succeeds in righting the ship and makes progress, then they will offer him a new contract.

            Given the reluctance to look at non-Englishspeaking coaches, the NWSL limits itself needlessly.

            Lars Lagerbäck having retired and with a good expert commentator contract went and coached Iceland’s men essentially for free. Maybe coaches like Sasaki, Neid and Dennerby would be willing to come to the NWSL for essentially housing, the use of a car, basic health and dental benefits and a token income and not even a 401K?

          • mockmook

            I’m just speculating, a gut feeling — letting you know that I got a bad “attitude”vibe (beyond mere frustration) from King towards the end of the season.

    • dw

      Well Barnes had a call up prior to SBC, and maybe didn’t impress?

  • atalba
  • atalba
  • atalba

    #1 High School Recruit
    2015 MAC Hermann Trophy Semifinalist
    2015 NSCAA first-team All-American
    Two-time NSCAA All-Pacific Region
    2014 (2nd), 2015 (1st)
    Two-time All-Pac-12 first team (2014, 2015)
    2014 Pac-12 Freshman of the Year
    2014 consensus national freshman of the year (TopDrawerSoccer, Soccer America)
    2015 Pac-12 All-Academic honorable mention
    2015 TopDrawerSoccer Postseason Best XI first team

    Attended U.S. U-23 camps during 2016 and traveled with the team for the Istria Cup in Croatia and the U-23 Women’s Nordic Tournament in England
    Captained the United States in the 2014 FIFA U-20 Women’s World Cup, starting each game
    Led the U.S. to the CONCACAF U-20 championship
    At age 18, she captained the CONCACAF-winning team as the youngest player on the roster
    Has excelled with the U.S. national team program since the U-15 level
    Helped the U.S. to the U-17 World Cup in 2012 and competed at the 2014 U-20 World Cup

    This is one player. She has the pedigree, skills, leadership, intelligence, and is a winner. Still in college.

  • guest123

    AO Modesto tweeted that the next game will be USWNT vs Romania on Nov 10th at Avaya Stadium (San Jose, CA).