O’Reilly exits in tears as USWNT rolls past Thailand

The Equalizer Staff September 15, 2016 448
Heather O'Reilly played for the U.S. for the final time on Thursday. (Photo Copyright Patti Giobetti for The Equalizer)

Heather O’Reilly played for the U.S. for the final time on Thursday. (Photo Copyright Patricia Giobetti for The Equalizer)

Megan Rapinoe knelt, Heather O’Reilly cried, Carli Lloyd had a hat trick and the U.S. women’s national team rolled to a 9-0 victory over Thailand on Thursday night in Columbus, Ohio, in the team’s first match since falling to Sweden in penalty kicks in the Olympic quarterfinals.

Rapinoe continued her protest by kneeling for the first time in a U.S. Soccer jersey, prompting a strong response from the federation after the match in which U.S. Soccer said, “As part of the privilege to represent your country, we have an expectation that our players and coaches will stand and honor our flag while the National Anthem is played.”

Rapinoe entered the match at the start of the second half.

O’Reilly was the other focus of the night. The midfielder was playing in her 231st and final career international match, and within less than a minute, she tallied an assist. The captain for the night would score a goal of her own just over three minutes later – the 47th of her international career – and add a second (generous) assist to her haul for the night.

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U.S. coach Jill Ellis used all six substitutions earlier in the match, so in the 88th minute, Ellis had the electronic substitution sign light up with the red No. 9 – with no accompanying green number for a player coming in – to bring a tearful O’Reilly out of the match to a standing ovation, replaced by nobody.

Lloyd dominated the statistics of the match, tallying three goals and four assists to play a role in seven of the team’s nine goals.

Next up for the U.S. is a match against the Netherlands on Sunday in Atlanta.

  • kernel_thai

    Thailand over matched…film at 11

    • mockmook

      Speaking of which:

      Notice whenever someone scores a goal, the broadcasters always say, “There was no way she was going to miss that”

      Funny how they never say it before the person attempts to score:

      “She is about to shoot, there is no way she will miss this shot!!!” Then, clunk.

      • Ethan

        Lloyd had a great game, but she did miss a “sitter” in the second half. The commentators surely would have said Lloyd wouldn’t have missed that one if she had scored.

      • Wasn’t there a point in the first half where Lloyd was going towards goal and the announcer said something to the effect there was no way she is not going to score, only for the goalie to block the shot?

  • Guest

    Carli Lloyd has been eating her wheaties.

    Nice performance from Morgan and a stunner goal by Dunn.

    • mockmook

      How does Morgan merit a top 3 mention for this game?

      • GNC

        She scored twice, nutmegged a defender, connected well on a few sequences.

        It’s Thailand though, everyone had a great game.

        • Guest

          Except Harris. Some rapinoe give aways also

          • GNC

            Agree re Harris, that was a Thailand goal and her fault for coming off the line. Not what you want when you’re vying to stay on the team.

          • Steglitz49

            The USWNT have to find some 5’11”-6’4″ goalies. The days of the vertically challenged goalies are over.

          • Guest

            Yeah it is the goalkeeping that has been the problem the last few years. Please.

          • Steg Watch

            Haven’t you noticed that when an idea enters his head it doesn’t matter whether it makes perfect sense, you will hear it over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over etc., etc. again. It could be said just once, but …it isn’t.

          • Guest

            Verily and forsooth. For it was the great Stina Blacksteinius to rath the trenches of the ailing refereeing at the Miracle on Grass aka Bomb in Brasila
            (my best impression)

          • guest

            That was a Thailand goal due to the defense, AKA Kling missing a tackle and resulting in the cross. You can see Harris telling her defense to mark the player, but for some reason they decided to bunch and ball watch. Ball took a weird bounce and agree that she could have done better to clear it, but let’s not put all the blame on Harris. She did what was asked of her and I commend her for staying in the game when she could have zoned out after the first 5 minutes.

        • ABCDE

          except the defense…

          • GNC

            I must amend my earlier comment, the front 6 plus Saurbrunn had a good game, she wasn’t bad at DM I thought.

        • TsovLoj

          I remember a couple significant Johnston and Klingenberg errors

          • GNC

            True true, Johnstons errors stood out to me especially. However, this game was a cake walk, no one played awful, no mistakes cost the team anything.

        • Chak Khan

          Had never thought she had the ability to nutmeg until now.

          • Ethan

            Anyone who can execute a turn like hers against Germany in the 2013 Algarve Cup final to nicely set up Boxx can do a nutmeg. Of course, she actually did do a nutmeg against Renard in the 2-0 loss against France in 2015; unfortunately, she lost balance and couldn’t make the best effort to get onto the ball again.

          • Steglitz49

            Alex Morgan is famous for several reasons one of which is that she is an excellent player. Depending on how long Alex choses to continue to play, she can become female’s soccer equivalent of either King Eric or Zlatan.

        • Ethan

          “Connected well on a few sequences” – most notably her entry pass into Rapinoe, which pretty much created Lloyd’s third goal.

          • DNG

            She overcooked that pass and was lucky Rapinoe got to it in time.

          • Ethan

            It wasn’t really overcooked to me, but I won’t argue too much because it was hit with a little more pace than needed. However, lucky that Rapinoe got to it in time? That’s ridiculous to me. Rapinoe’s not exactly a speedster, and she had enough time to gather herself for the cross as well.

          • DNG

            The pass was poorly weighted. It should have never been a threat to go over the goal line there regardless of how fast Rapinoe is. If she hits a half decent through ball, it stops a few feet short and Rapinoe has a much easier cross than having to sprint to keep it in play.

          • Ethan

            A poorly weighted pass would have gone over even if it was Thomis on the other end; this pass was just slightly overhit. Regardless, I was mainly disagreeing with the second part of your comment. I don’t see how Morgan’s lucky Rapinoe got to the ball in time when Rapinoe would have likely been criticized for not getting to the ball if it had gone over. Agree to disagree.

          • DNG

            Completely disagree Morgan should know who she is passing to and this is really a easy pass to stop short of the end line. It was a poor ball. The lucky comment is more because the ball was very close to going out of bounds. Rapinoe barely kept it in play.

        • DNG

          The nutmeg looked more accidental to me. I thought she was trying to take the ball end line with a quick cut but the ball got away from her and she could only get a toe to it. Even if I accept she meant to do it she only got the shot away because the second defender totally whiffed on the clearance.

      • DNG

        I don’t know why anyone would rate any player’s performance in this match. Thailand are not a good enough team to take away anything meaningful. A few of the US players were clearly cruising in second gear.

      • getoverit

        Why don’t you shut up. She had two goals and a good pass that created a goal for lloyd. Name another one of the other forwards that you slobber over with two goals and helped create a goal last night. I’ll wait.

        • DNG

          Other than those plays, and I’m of the opinion Morgan was fortunate to score the second, I thought Morgan was poor. She had 2 terrible shots she forced and gave the ball away a lot. I thought she struggled more than Press did with combining in the attacking third. Not an impressive performance in my opinion. Her first goal should have been a broken play as well since her pass was misplaced and went right to a defender. Lloyd actually did well there to recover the ball and play Morgan through for the goal.

    • Chak Khan

      Dunn’s goal shots have always been spectacular and powerful. It must hurt to get hit by one

  • Guest

    Obviously not a game to gather much from but Lloyd was on fire, and Heath and Dunn had some pretty sweet goals too.

    • Chak Khan

      I was surprised to see Lloyd smiling even laughing during a match. For the team of this caliber, this was a pleasure stroll in the park.

  • Calci0

    For some reason, even as a fan of the USWNT, I wasn’t overly excited watching this game…..

    • mockmook

      Probably the weak opponent, the stagnant roster, and the force fed politics.

      • Calci0

        I don’t get why the US schedules these games. Well I guess I actually do, and it’s because of the revenue. Fans will come out to see the USWNT play Antarctica’s women’s team….. And I my opinion, fans need to start expecting more. If a game like this occurs in qualifying, because the team HAS to play the game, that’s one thing. But 9-0 friendlies don’t prepare the team for games like we had against Sweden.

        • guest

          dude. it’s just a game. entertainment. it is fun. everyone gets a goal! Even much beloved HAO!

          • Calci0

            Some are entertained differently. To me it’s not as entertaining when the scoreline is 9-0. I’m glad O’Reilly got a goal in her sendoff, no doubt. But I’m looking for games that prepare the US in a manner in which helps them succeed in big Tourney’s.

          • Steglitz49

            It would have been fun to have played an international all-stars team but the Euro qualifiers put paid to that. Sweden, their bane in Brasilia, were playing Slovakia, for example. Maybe they could have used the foreign players in the NWSL as a sort of all-stars.

          • JJ

            Show, show, show.

            What about offering the crowds and the players real soccer not just show events such as games against Thailand and all star teams or against the mighty Swedish men’s team of 100 years ago?

            Continue with those show events will lead to other tournament frustration and will provide the players (until those tournaments) the wrong impression they are gods

          • Steglitz49

            As I typed before, it took Japan’s ladies 12 years to go from their worst ever defeat — also a 0-9 drubbing at the hands of the US — to becoming world champions, returning the favor.

            It probably will take Thailand a bit longer but already by 2023 they may be doing great stuff. Who knows?

          • JJ

            A) prove the connection between the 0:9 loss and Japan becoming world champion 12 years later (many,many teams lose and lost games with that difference and higher)

            B) I responded to your all star comment

          • Steglitz49

            In 1995 Norway beat Germany to win the World Cup. Silvia Neid played in that match and Even Pellerud was Norway’s coach. Twenty years later Germany and Norway tied 1-1 in WC-15. The two coaches were Silvia and Even. That match is best known for Maren Mjelde’s freekick.

          • Steglitz49

            The USWNT now goes into a desert in which there is no dessert for almost 3 years.

            WoSo action now moves to Europe and Asia (though mainly Europe). That is the way the cookie crumbles. The USWNT can contemplate their Bomb in Brasilia if not simply just their navels.

          • John

            USWNT v the Best of the Rest of the NWSL would have been better.

          • Steglitz49

            Little, Fishlock and Henry would have been unavailable.

          • Steglitz49

            In 1999 the US defeated Japan 9-0. It is Japan’s heaviest defeat. In 2011 Japan became world champions at the US’s expense and Japan also reached the OG-12 and 2015 WC finals.

            No doubt it will take Thailand more than a dozen years to emulate Japan but without playing better teams they will never improve.

          • HOFCToDi

            If that is your belief, the USWNT should not even play one match on home soil for the next four years since the next FIFA Women’s World Cup is located in France and the next Summer Olympic Games is located in Japan.

        • Guest

          I strongly agree. I guess it’s nice to have a cupcake team for HAO’s last game, but when we consistently play these lower teams, it doesn’t help us at all when it comes to the Olympics and World Cup.

        • Chak Khan

          That is what SBC is all about. For its continual survival it must expand to include the top 10 teams. Also, there needs to be another important tournament similar to EURO.

          • Hood

            SBC is not a real competition. EU leagues have no time for it. Scandinavian clubs start their season preparation in that time window while other nations just use a short break of their season. Teams like France and Germany will not come with their best players and will not compete as they should. Some days after the SBC training camp there are very important league games. The players have to be fit for those.

            Soccer is a clubs sport

          • John

            Except in the US.

          • guest

            don’t think there are enough strong womens national teams yet for a womens copa america.

          • Chak Khan

            But the US fans are incessant complainers who constantly demand the WNT to play matches against the best teams. Well, there are 5 total! They have played them all in either VTs/friendlies or SBC. Still those ungrateful knuckled heads want more. How many times must US play GER, FRA and BRA outside of WC and OG? Like someone here mentioned and I have noticed as well, those teams don’t bring their best players to the aforementioned matches.

          • HOFCToDi

            When was the last time the USWNT scheduled an international women’s friendly on foreign soil?

          • Chak Khan

            The revenues aren’t there. USSOCCER has to make money.

          • HOFCToDi

            At least the USSF made money for the USMNT with the Copa América Centenario.

          • Chak Khan

            AGain, we are running around in circles arguing how USSOCCER generating revenues. There are solutions already for the USWNT to generate more revenue but, NOOOOO, some just want to complain instead.

        • Steglitz49

          The same day Sweden got a dose of their own medicine when thy played Slovakia, who bunkered with a decent counterattacked. The scoring was 1-0, 1-1 and finally 2-1. Granted it could have been 6-1 but also 2-2.

          As for playing Sweden, invite them over for a couple of friendlies while people still remember to Miracle on Grass. Makes more sense than France.

          • Chak Khan

            I doubt they would accept the invitation. Even if they are piad handsomely. Why should they come after being publicly “insulted”?

          • Steglitz49

            I suspect that the Swedes may well want a bigger cut of the cake than the wealthier FAs to come to the US to play.

            A SBC based on merit would be US, Germany, Sweden and Canada. Anyway, the trick would be to play Sweden now, not in 2 years time.

          • Chak Khan

            for that time constraint USWNT should play with SWE and SLOV

          • Steglitz49

            SLOV could mean either Slovenia — home of Tina Maze and Katja Visnar — or Slovakia — home of Anastatsia Kuzmina. Make up your mind, please.

        • Miami66

          But it helps those teams. Thailand needs to play teams like USA & Germany to improve. Yes, they play Japan, Australia, China, N & S Korea in qualifying. But you get used to those teams, and need to branch out and experience other styles and places. If Thailand play their cards right and boost support they’ll be more competitive in a few years.

          And, you can’t get top teams all the time for friendlies. Playing the Netherlands next is perfect because they’ll actually give a challenge.

          • Hood

            Those games don’t help Thailand’s women soccer at all. Flying thousands of miles to lose 9:0 against a much stronger team doesn’t have any benefit. It’s just for the pleasure and revenue of US Soccer. If the US would play in Bangkok in front of Thousands of Fans it might help grow Thailand’s women soccer

          • Steglitz49

            Japan lost 9-0 to the US in the USA in 1999. In 2011, 12 years later, Japan became world champions. Enough typed.

          • JJ

            Haiti lost 2001 8:0 against the US. I guess they should have become world champion in 2015. The 9:0 loss of Japan had NOTHING to do with their development later on. I really hope that we will not read that nonsense from you on and on. You promised that you typed enough

          • Hood

            Spain won 13:0 against Montenegro yesterday. As of 2028 Montenegro will rule women’s soccer world

          • Steglitz49

            Slovakia lost 1-2 to Sweden in Sweden. High time to invite Slovakia to the next SBC.

          • Chak Khan

            I will never understand FIFA ranking.

          • Steglitz49

            Seeing that FIFA ignores it when it suits them, there is nothing to understand.

          • Tom

            50 years ago England won the World Cup 50 years later England have not won anything.

          • Steglitz49

            A bit unfair. Maradona’s handball goal was not called. In 1990 England lost on penalties to Germany in the SF.

            What you really are asking is: where is Lars Lagerbäack these days. the answer is simple: in a studio providing brilliant commentary.

          • Tom

            EPL team always plays friendly with weak national team Singapore, Thailand etc. for publicity and money and for improvements, they never improve they would always beat them despite playing half drunk or with a bad hangover.

        • Lorehead

          A silver lining is that the paycheck Thailand’s women’s team gets for this should be good for the development of its program.

          • Hood

            Always the same excuse for those kind of games

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          • guest

            How much do they get paid? Is it enough to lure better teams across the Atlantic? I don’t believe the US get paid when they cross the Atlantic.

          • Chak Khan

            It’s not right the US does not get paid by the host being a guest team oversea. The ugly reality is how many hosts could afford or even pay their own WNT teams. That is more of a incentive to cross the ocean with jet lag to play against US on US soil.

          • Lorehead

            Thailand is across the Pacific.

          • guest

            So you don’t know, and we can start questioning whether you have your facts straight re “the paycheck Thailand’s women’s team gets for this”

          • Lorehead

            I don’t know the exact amount, but I do know they’re getting paid. The amount is probably small, but it’s enough that some women’s teams that basically don’t exist between major tournaments except on paper held training camps and traveled overseas to play in the U.S., and enough that the Matildas went on strike for their U.S. tour as the only way they could deprive their federation of revenue.

            We only see US Soccer’s contracts themselves when there’s some kind of lawsuit over them; we do have, for that reason, their contracts with Hawaii over the game that they cancelled last December.

          • kernel_thai

            If all Thailand gets from USSoccer is air fare there and back plus room and board in Columbus, then all they have to pay for is transportation from Columbus to Buffalo where Sahlen can put them up.

        • mockmook

          I hear that Antarctica’s team are some pretty cool customers…

  • Megan Rapinoe

    Can I get a kneel?

  • HOFCToDi

    Match: U.S. Women’s National Team vs. Thailand
    Date: September 15, 2016
    Competition: International Friendly
    Venue: MAPFRE Stadium; Columbus, Ohio

    ussoccer.com/matches/wnt/2016/160915-wnt-v-tha#tab-1

    Attendance: 10,490

    • Steglitz49

      That is 1,000 less than Sweden managed for their Euro-17 qualifier against Slovakia the same day in a city with about half the population.

      • HOFCToDi

        Young girls across the USA have ditched soccer cleats for textile swim suits. The new role models are named Katie, Maya, Simone.

        Hint:

        youtube.com/watch?v=pIdBCnxRsHQ

        • Steglitz49

          The US has always been great at swimming. Only the odd superstar from another continent have dented them.

          Those three are all at Stanford. Stanford’s aquatic centre is to die for. Few nations have such a facility for their top swimmers.

          To me Simone and Maya made the greatest spalsh for the US because Katie was expected to win her races. So was Kate Campbell too, come to think of it.

    • Chak Khan

      Less than Thorn’s home attendance? Wow.

      • HOFCToDi

        “Americans love a winner and will not tolerate a loser.”

        • rkmid71

          Especially a loser with no dignity or class.

  • Ethan

    Does Lloyd have the record for highest goals+assists number? Lloyd’s notable assist numbers have come against Boston twice, Orlando, and Thailand, not the best opposition. However, the way Lloyd’s played recently is nowhere near the “selfish, always shoots before she passes” criticism that she’s gotten.

    Loved the act of having the crowd applaud O’Reilly coming off the pitch before the final whistle. The end to a great international career. Hope she continues playing in the NWSL (or elsewhere if she wants to) for the next few seasons.

    • Steglitz49

      Carli is trying to build herself a CV that takes her to France in 2019.

      Carli is 34, the same age as Zlatan and 3 years older than King Eric when he left Man Utd.

    • DNG

      I think it’s great that she is passing more than she used to. I still think she is a bad soccer player though. This Thailand game isn’t going to sway my view. She was just awful in the game against Portland.

      • Paul Klee

        Was the touch to Press a pass or a missed shot?

        • Ethan

          I thought it was a pass when I saw the first half highlights, but now I’m not sure after watching the play a few times.

        • DNG

          Looked like a poor first touch to me.

    • x

      I think so. The USWNT records page shows 11 points (2*goals + 1*assists) as the record (all in 5-goal, 1-assist games) with some 10-point games that didn’t have a hand in 7 goals. It also shows a 5-assist single-game record (Milbrett). If Milbrett scored twice that game, she’d be tied. Otherwise somebody would need at least 3 goals to go with at least 4 assists, which would get them on the 10-point-game list, which they aren’t.
      tl;dr unless Tiff Milbrett scored twice in her 5-assist game vs. Australia 6/5/1997, yes

      http://www.ussoccer.com/womens-national-team/records/wnt-records

      • x

        Oh my god I found a 1997 box score on Wikipedia. Milbrett scored once in that match.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997_Women%27s_U.S._Cup
        Scroll down to the 6/5/1997 game.
        So, yes, I can definitively tell you Lloyd tonight had the highest number ever of goals+assists in a game.
        Nobody’s ever done 7G/0A or 6G/1A because the goals record is 5 in a game. Nobody’s done 5G/2A because the points record 11.Nobody’s done 4G/3A because all instances of 11 points were 5G/1A. Nobody’s done 3G/4A before because all instances of 10 points were more goals. And nobody’s done 2G/5A because the only 5-assist game didn’t have 2 goals or 1G/6A or 0G/7A because nobody’s ever had that many assists.
        And as for more than 8 goals+assists, with a ceiling of 4 assists on non-Mibrett games, they’d need at least 4 goals, which means at least 12 points, which hasn’t been done.

        • Steglitz49

          Maybe an adjustment factor for the quality of the opposition ought to be applied.

          In the OG-16 final Germany beat Sweden by an own goal (2-1). I don’t know if you can get an “assist” for an own goal — the oen goal is sort of an assist to the team who gets the goal, is it not?

          • x

            Well, sure, I wouldn’t confuse these games for the –best– offensive performances in USWNT history. But the stats are awfully fun.

          • Steglitz49

            Absolutely.

            I wonder who scored those 9 goals against Japan in 1999 and who chalked up the assists. (The scorers in 2011 we all know.)

          • Lodovico Settembrini

            Milbrett 4, Akers, Lilly, Parlow, Wagner, Venturini

          • Steglitz49

            Thank you. Some names; some time. CPC — the winning coach of the inaugural NWSL.

  • Chak Khan

    It was awesome that Mia Hamm came to the farewell match. Who will be the next #9 or are they retiring that number?

    • Ethan

      There’s no way any number 11 and under gets retired at the professional level. Even players with higher numbers (i.e. Zola’s 25 at Chelsea) typically don’t have their numbers officially retired; instead, no other player wears them afterwards. So the numbers are essentially unofficially retired.

      • Steglitz49

        I am not sure that international numbers can be retired, at least not officially.

        Back in the days of position-specific numbering they could not. Milan wanted to retire Nils Liedholm’s number but were not allowed to for that reason.

        • x

          Right, the Olympics require the players be numbered 1-18 (and doesn’t the WWC require 1-23?), so it’s not realistic international play. It’ll be interesting if/when NWSL clubs start retiring numbers (or did FCKC retire Holiday’s?).

          • Steglitz49

            Do soccer clubs retire player numbers?

          • mockmook

            Holiday’s is retired.

            Some other NWSL club also has a retired number (but it escapes me at this moment), and I think it was for a WPS player.

          • DNG

            Chups had her number retired too I think.

          • mockmook

            She did — that must be who I was thinking of.

          • Nicole C.

            Maybe you’re thinking of Lilly- Boston retired 13 for her in the WPS. 12 is also retired for Leslie Osborne.

          • mockmook

            Thanks!!!

      • Paul Klee

        Somebody, probably Horan, Will be wearing number nine at qualification for the next World Cup. it’s the rule someone has to be wearing numbers one through 18, 20, 22 or 23.

  • Guest

    The THai players crowding to meet Lloyd for hugs … that was kind of sweet

    • Chak Khan

      Oh, they didn’t come for the game; they came to get hugs from Lloyd.

      • Steglitz49

        Carli is still the POTY for a another 3-4 months.

      • ABCDE

        Playing with players like her might be aspirational and motivational for them.

        • JL

          I remember after the qualifying match against Puerto Rico how all the Puerto Rican players wanted pictures and such with the US players after they got beaten by double digits. And the Thailand players were all very eager to get pics with the German players after Germany comfortably beat them in the WC last year. And go back to 2004, when the US was on its Farewell tour for the 91ers, and they hosted New Zealand. All the NZ players were getting the US players’ autographs post game.

      • kernel_thai

        Once her book is released in Thailand Lloyd is sure to sell 25 copies.

  • Chak Khan

    Will the match with NED and Switzerland be better than this?

    • mockmook

      Yes

    • HOFCToDi

      This match was on the level of PUR, so should THA’s FIFA Rank.

      fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/women/index.html

  • Guest

    That mistake by Harris though

  • Miami66

    Like Mia Hamm, O’Reilly was just a pure JOY to watch, someone you always felt good about cheering for. Bravo, HAO! At least she’ll stay in NWSL for at least one more year.

    As for Thailand, they do have some talent there, we’ll see if the sponsorship and increased attention helps. They did get one goal even if the refs didn’t call it right.

  • Lorehead

    It’s a shame the ref robbed Thailand of a nice goal.

    • x

      I’d love to see a goal-line replay from an angle looking across…but yeah. It’s hard to imagine given how close KO was to the line and how far out her leg was that the ball wasn’t in, and it certainly looks in from the oblique angles we got. It’s a shame both because it’s poor officiating and because that goal-scorer would probably remember it forever.

      • Steglitz49

        OG-12 and OG-16 even WC-15 — let’s hope Euro-17 can set a new standard. Mind you, Euro-13 had no impact on the refereeing.

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    • Observed

      Yeah, that was in. At least make it an own goal by KO.

      • captainfate

        If it crossed the line (and I also think it did), it did so before KO put her boot on it, so crediting it as an own goal against KO is kind of unfair for her, too.

        Unfortunately for us, games without goal line technology means that the referee/assistant’s calls are final (As far as I know), so…

  • sweetjazz3

    Thanks HAO! Class from beginning to end. A privilege to watch you.

  • Steglitz49

    Looking at the picture illustrating the article, is the man on the right in the background hoovering up the tears? Is the USSF about to start a reliquarium?

  • Steglitz49

    At the time of typing this, the Rapinoe kneeling article has 160 comments and this will be the 76th on this one! A ratio of more than 2 to 1. Brrr.

    No reason to ask why WoSo is truggling in the market place. When will WoSo focus?

    • Steg Patrol

      When you stop being a troll.

      • Steglitz49

        Please register yourself so we can follow your comments.

        If you can’t stand the heat, get out of the droll kitchen and troll somewhere else.

    • MadMaxi

      Maybe the counts are so far off because so much of the conversations are long OT discussions that have nothing to do with the headlined article.

  • NYRick

    1. If either Press or Morgan played the full 90, they too would have had 3-4 goals as well. But credit to Carli for her game, she was everywhere and moving really well.

    2. Tobin goal was sweet. Best of the night for me.

    3. I think Harris can kind of get the hang of this clean sheet thing as well.

    4. HAO…fantastic career and class act. That is how you exit the team. In style. And I do realize the comp but anyone else think she looked beyond good last night? Nice to see the player and fan appreciation for her at the end. You know you’ve been special when you get that type of universal reaction.

    • DNG

      In a game as uncompetitive as this, everyone should be trying cheeky stuff like Tobin. Why anyone cares about running up the score on Thailand is beyond me.

      • mockmook

        They should certainly be having fun.

        Alex didn’t look like she was having fun.

        • Ray

          You’re being kinda obvious !

          • mockmook

            Huh?

        • Ethan

          Is this a serious comment? I thought she happily celebrated each goal with her teammates, and I don’t remember any closeups that suggested she was having a bad time out there. You’re not bringing up Rapinoe not having fun when there was at least a ten second closeup of her being frustrated with herself after a shot.

      • Steglitz49

        It is traditionally considered more insulting not to run up the score than to put the goals away.

        • DNG

          In a meaningful match that counts for something, sure I agree with that. I’m not even saying they should stop scoring but in a match like this I’d prefer to see some more flair and less stat padding.

          • Steglitz49

            By all means try cheeky stuff as long as the purpose remains to try to score. The actions they take must add value and not make them seem like amazing dancing bears or singing otters.

          • DNG

            Whats wrong with dancing bears or singing otters? I’d pay money to see those things

          • rkmid71

            Then go to the circus.

          • DNG

            I want to see elasticos, rabonas, back heels among other things. No reason we can’t in a match up by 4 goals where no one other than Lloyd is even trying to play

          • rkmid71

            No problem. As mentioned above, as long as it’s the context of trying to score, the flow of the game, etc. Those are the kind of things we need against good teams to beat the bunker.

          • DNG

            Not that I think a game against Thailand is particularly useful for anything but this team could use practice at killing games off too. Those dominant Spain teams were some of the best I’ve ever seen at killing off games with possession.

          • Steglitz49

            Allegedly, two of the Thai players play in Sweden and their costs are defrayed by the owner of a Thai restaurant who persuaded some of her regulars to chip in. Someof the money comes also from a Thai lass who runs a nails and hair saloon.

            Not all WNT members get the Queen’s ransom that the USWNT women haul in.

          • DNG

            Also, sports are primarily forms of entertainment. 9-0 games where one team has no chance is not entertaining and the US scoring 5 more goals doesn’t do that either. This match doesn’t even serve as a friendly with the purpose of trying new tactics.

          • Steglitz49

            Legalized rape?

          • Gary Diver

            It wasn’t a Friendly, it was an exhibition game. It might have been more interesting if USWNT played the Korean U20 team that held the US U20 to a scoreless draw.

          • Steglitz49

            Alexia Putellas at Barcelona is excellent at some of those. In the end, it is winning that counts as WC-11 and OG-16 demonstrate.

          • sudeep das

            Problem is that all these “cheeky” stuff disappeared against Sweden – not a single long shot was on target – unbelievable. Point is you are as good as your opponent allow you to be.

          • Breakers fan

            At times I had the feeling while watching that our team sort of hoped their shots *wouldn’t* go in —- that they didn’t want to embarrass Thailand any further, but … also that the natural desire and habit to do your best was at work too.

      • Breakers fan

        I wonder what Ellis’s response to them post-game in the locker room would have been if a lot of players had tried cheeky stuff and let’s say failed while doing it? Not disagreeing with you, just wondering if maybe they didn’t do it so much for fear of what the reaction would have been? Plus, who knows how many of them are good at the “cheeky stuff”, how much each person practices that sort of thing.

        To mine your knowledge a bit what specific soccer moves do you put in the category of “cheeky stuff”?

        • DNG

          ‘Tricks’ that are effective in pushing play forward? Chip passes and back heels but really it’s more or less creative passing. High difficulty passing where the route to completion isn’t obvious. Rapinoe made had a first touch chip over the back line in this game that was very nice. Usually things like rabonas and elasticos are purely for entertainment value but it’s spectacular when they are pulled off and it leads to a goal or chance.

          I don’t know what Ellis’ response would have been but judging by the organization and general effort level of the team, I think it’s fair to say that this game wasn’t taken all that seriously by anyone, apart from Lloyd. It was really about honoring HAO.

    • Guest

      Harris really didn’t have a clean sheet. She completely blew it on Thailand’s (should have been) goal.

      • Guest

        I think you mean Kling completely blew it. A trend that has been continuing and a trend that the coach refuses to accept. Her defending is weak and has resulted in too many opportunities for opponents.

  • GT

    Bravo to Heather O’Reilly on a great career and being a great person. And bravo to US Soccer for taking the correct stand with Rapinoe.

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  • zentech11

    So cool that they scored 9 goals for #9! HAO seems like such a sweet player, sad to see her go… but I loved to see that she was smiling throughout the game.

  • Gary Diver

    USSF/USWNT Finances

    Isn’t the purpose of the Friendlies to raise funds to pay the players? (Playing Thailand certainly doesn’t develop the team going forward.)

    The attendance for the Thailand Friendly was barely 10,000 (10,490). Not counting the CONCACAF tournament, one has to go far into the past to find a USWNT Friendly drawing so poorly. If they weren’t celebrating HAO’s retirement, the attendance might have been under 10,000.

    The players get $1,350/player for the win, which adds to nearly $30,000. If you add in renting the stadium and all other costs for the game, the net revenue for USWNT could not have been very much.

    Losing OG16 in such an ignoble way has been a financial disaster for USWNT. Each player lost around $150,000 in direct income, major losses in endorsements, no VT, no glowing morning interviews, and major losses in positive publicity and marketing their brand and for American WoSo. All for the loss of just one match.

    • anon

      my eyes could not be rolling harder.

      • Steglitz49

        “mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Swedish lasses …”?

    • Steglitz49

      “The winner takes it all”, sang ABBA.

      In retrospect, the USWNT tied 2-2 with Colombia. That result reinforces that the team was inept and failed miserably. As HOFCToDi writes elsewhere “the new role models are named Katie, Maya, and Simone” and go to Stanford, KO’s and CP’s alma mater.

      • Gary Diver

        Funny but if Rapinoe had gotten a red card in the Colombia game, Ellis would not have had the option of making a fool of herself in expecting Rapinoe to perform a “Hail Mary” in the Swedish match. For the lack of a nail, the . . .

        • Steglitz49

          Pinoe’s foul on Asllani led to Alex’s 1-1 goal. The fact that the incompetent ref did not give Sweden a freekick and then a yellow card to the Swedish captain for raising the issue fans of the USWNT need not dwell on.

          In short, lightning does not usually strike twice. It was not just tanking in one match but two that cements the impression of abject failure and impotence.

          • Gary Diver

            Your last sentence hits the nail on the head. I would argue that throughout both WC15 and OG16 tournaments, USWNT rarely played games that they could/should be proud of. (USWNT’s win in WC15 final was more Japan’s ineptitude than USWNT’s dominance.)

            The fundamental question is why can’t USWNT play up to its potential? When is the last time USWNT has had a dominating performance against a top 10 team?

          • Steglitz49

            It depends what you mean by “its potential”. I suspect that the USWNT totally underestimated Sweden. They can never admit that but it is the obvious explanation. Maybe if you got them drunk they might spill the beans?

          • Gary Diver

            We could argue about this until the cash cows come home. I see the Swedish game as a Jill Ellis failure more than USWNT “underestimating” Sweden. Ellis had no game plan for the match and showed she is not good at improvising.

            When Portugal lost Ronaldo early in the Euro 16 final, most people, including the French, thought the match was over. The Portuguese coach had to shift gears and aim for a 0-0 draw and a shootout. The match was similar to the USWNT/Sweden match. France got frustrated and impatient, made one final mistake which led to the counter-attack goal.

            The Portuguese coach was able to improvise when needed, while Ellis doesn’t seem to have that ability/talent.

          • Terry Lash

            Too bad the press does not ask Ellis to describe her game plan against Sweden and explain why it did not work.

          • Rufan

            She has to give a real interview for that to happen.

            From USSF:
            Hosting of International Matches and Tournaments
            (L) Post-Game Interviews.

            The team’s locker room may be closed to the media for a maximum of ten (10) minutes after the team has entered the locker room and the door has been closed. The home team must provide security guards to assist in this procedure if exercised. Thereafter, all players and coaches must be accessible to all accredited members of the media. Teams should remain on site for a minimum of forty (40) minutes after the game for interview purposes.

          • Steglitz49

            You forgot that certain words must not be used — eg “cowards” — while others like “hermitcrabs”, “turtles”, “turnips” and “good for nothing layabout blondes” are ok

          • Steglitz49

            Maybe Press aka Christen could spill the beans to us?

          • guest

            i guess it is hard for the sports media to do when ellis continually ducks press conferences. the fans and media need to demand that ussf makes ellis available for press conferences.

          • Steglitz49

            If you expect a blanc mange and face steel and granite, you are up a waterfall without a truncheon

          • sudeep das

            I am really curious to know the answer to that question. If historically the USWNT is the most dominant team on the planet then why are their margins of victories so thin in all the major finals except 2015? Just asking.

          • Steglitz49

            They failed against Japan in 2011 and again against Sweden in 2016. The gigantic failure was 0-4 against Brazil in 2007.

    • Terry Lash

      Maybe Ellis can donate some of her salary to the team.

      • Gary Diver

        Maybe Ellis should donate some of her salary to the team. Even if she can’t make good coaching decisions and can’t hold a press conference, she still could make a financial contribution to the team.

        • Steglitz49

          Ellis’s salary is not that great. Better than Pia’s for sure but not as much as JK’s.

    • JL

      It was a weekday night during the school year with a lackluster opponent.

      • Steglitz49

        Excuses, excuses, excuses.

        If Zlatan had played for Thailand, the seats would have been sold 3 times over.

    • mockmook

      That was probably at least $500k of revenue. I’m sure they turned a decent “profit”.

      • Gary Diver

        But the USSF budget probably projected attendances for VT nearer to 25,000. That is a huge difference.

        • mockmook

          Well, the stadium only holds 22K — but close enough.

        • Steglitz49

          According HOFCToDi the projected attendance for the two matches in Sep were 16,000 each. Thus, they are only 5,500 behind currently, not 10,000.

    • Steglitz49

      The rent of a stadium is often about 1/3rd of the gross gate but has a minimum. Elsewhere I calculated that gross gate to be about $525,000, which could mean that the stadium owners got $157,500, which left the USSF with about $400,000 before tax (if there is tax) from which to pay the players ($30,000 according to you). That still is a profit around $370,000 before any taxes.

  • anon

    laughing at how much Foudy fangirls over Carli Lloyd. “They are trying to figure out a partner for Lloyd going forward… we’ll see if it’s morgan, dunn or someone new” or something like that.

    • guest

      i couldn’t believe she said that. does she really think the offense should continue to be built around CL?

    • Terry Lash

      Foully is a joke. I am beginning to think the rumors two years ago at the WC that she was too much of a party girl. It’s almost impossible now to take her seriously. ESPN needs to replace her.

      • NYRick

        For what it’s worth, what the heck was Lloyd doing playing 90 in this match against what was comp that can be best summed up as maybe a good HS team in the US. They are trying to quickly get her to 100 goals. What is she at now 92? Once again, records before team progress and nurturing younger talent. Yawn.

        • sudeep das

          That is the strategy from US Soccer it seems. Get them to their milestones and cut them off the team. Already Solo is gone; Rapinoe has given enough ammunition to the USSF to fire her; now if they can do away with Lloyd the CBA negotiations will be easier for the federation.

          • Steglitz49

            Milestones or Millstones?

          • #1Fan

            Forget CBA, the TEAM would be better. Watching her goal hanging vs Thais was hilarious. Almost as funny as watching Morgan take bad angled shots that on another day vs better would nvevr succeed. making good decisions should prevail no matter the opposition.

          • sudeep das

            Like I had mentioned before the Thais will be massacred – absolutely useless match except for photo opportunities.

          • Steglitz49

            They were but no doubt the Thais learnt a lot. Noblesse oblige, and all that.

          • DNG

            Completely agree on Lloyd. Forget the angle on the Morgan shot I thought she was lucky to even get into position to score there. Both Thai players missed the chance to kick the ball away. That shot never happens against good defenders.

            After watching the U20’s play a couple of games in the invitational tournament I came away frustrated because I saw the same issues in their play I see with the full team. Over reliance on crosses and very little quality chance creation. I’m also not really sure what Pugh’s position is at the moment. I’m hesitant to call her a CAM, wide forward or midfielder. She’s very talented but I’m not exactly sure what she is yet.

        • Steglitz49

          It is worth for the USWNT to remember that the late Johan Cruyff scored 33 goals in 48 matches for the NL, while Nils Liedholm managed 12 in 23 and Gunnar Nordahl got 43 in 33 matches for Sweden while his haul for Milan was 210 goals in 257 matches. Gunnar Gren is harder to assess because he was, like Liedholm, happy to be a provider of glorious passes.

          • Lodovico Settembrini

            Gerd Müller scored 68 goals in 62 games for Germany (including 14 at WCs)

            398 goals in 453 games for Bayern Munich

          • Steglitz49

            The only goal of the Bomber that is remembered today is the 2-1 in 1974. Cruyff was on the losing side in that game but Johan’s name liveth forever.

          • Lodovico Settembrini

            Johan is the best European footballer of all times.

            But Müller was special as well. Too bad that he stopped playing internationally already 1974

          • Steglitz49

            The Bomber broke the Boss’s records but Helmut Rahn was something else.

            It is to the credit of Bayern Munich and not least Uli Hoeness, that they tried to help Gerd when he looked too deep into the bottle.

          • Lodovico Settembrini

            And not to forget Hana Ljungberg 196 goals in 227 games for Umea IK

          • Steglitz49

            Umeå, the team near the midnight sun, to which a young Marta came. The good burghers of Umeå still consider Marta “their girl”. She was 18.

        • Guest

          Only silver lining is maybe they’ll get her to 100, and then they will cut ties with her very publicly to humiliate her as much as possible (re solo)

          • anon

            why should they publicly humiliate her? she is a US Soccer legend who works hard and thus far hasn’t done anything really controversial.

          • guest

            she isn’t playing poorly enough to cut her. like it or not she still comes through… id prefer her as a supersub for awhile longer.

          • htm222

            Please, don’t use logic on Equalizer.

          • mockmook

            She seems to have hit her prime at an atypical age. I still don’t think she will be anywhere near this effective by 2019.

          • Breakers fan

            She surprised me a bit last night – I know it was Thailand but what she did I wasn’t sure she could do against anyone anymore. She was excellent for the most part. We know what her status is – starter for about 90 for the foreseeable future. Makes absolutely no difference what any of us think, want or put into print via careful close observation of her play.

          • HOFCToDi

            Don’t expect any collegiate call-ups for the remainder of the year. The college coaches are currently incensed that collegiate players were required to redshirt a year for the U-20 USWNT.

          • Breakers fan

            That rule affected some teams pretty strongly, adversely. I think you’re right assuming that the USSF cares about the feelings of college coaches, but regardless I strongly suspect you are right. No real *need* to do it before next year, I guess. I think it would be best for their development anyway to finish out the college season and play in the NCAA Tournament.
            I wonder who the first ones will be? The “big 3” of course are Lavelle, Sullivan and Jordan. But with possibly Leroux (and A-Rod?) returning will they bring in another forward (Jordan?) I think she’s worthy. Who would the first collegiate defender brought in be? Stanford’s Maddie Bauer? I don’t know. I’ve seen her play the most of the highly rated Senior defenders.

          • JL

            Yeah, Penn State got hit hard. Not only with losing starters to graduation, but several players decided to make themselves eligible for the WC. But none of the Stanford players did.

          • Breakers fan

            Thank you. Penn State! That was the one I was trying to think of. I think ND lost 2 players also. Not sure who else did. Stanford is the best team I’ve seen this year but I haven’t seen Florida State – who I know just lost but still did dominate the game they lost at least in shots taken. Did Stanford have any players get invited to the U-20 World Cup but decline to go, do you know?

          • JL

            I believe there were several who were in consideration for spots on the WC roster, but they collectively decided that playing for Stanford was more important than playing for the U-20s.

            And I don’t begrudge any player who made that same choice. I’m not the biggest fan of making players decide between college or country, so if they said no thanks, that’s okay with me.

          • Breakers fan

            I agree completely. Who’s to say that playing for, here, Stanford, for a twenty plus game PAC-12 season, complete with daily practices against and among the top-notch Stanford roster isn’t even more productive than the U-20 World Cup experience? I lean towards a Stanford or another good D-1 season being more productive.

          • kernel_thai

            Any thoughts on why the U20 date doesnt mirror the WC date. Sure u get the ones in the southern hemisphere like Chile and Papua New Guinea but ud think the ones above the equator would be in June like WC. This would seem the best case scenario as the winter leagues r done and college hasnt started yet

          • Steglitz49

            Stanford is one of the world’s very best universities if not the very best. Stanford can afford to draw a line in the sand, as Christen Press can attest.

          • HOFCToDi

            The USWNT already employs four centerbacks:

            Sauerbrunn
            Engen
            Johnston
            Sonnett

            As for collegiate call-ups, aside from your “Big 3”:

            Fullbacks
            Christina Gibbons
            Kayla Mills

            allwhitekit.com/?p=15061#more-15061

          • Breakers fan

            Engen is replaceable. Her play has been dang disappointing to me for the Breakers overall. Sorry, Whitney. By defender I also mean outside backs, though you’re right that I named a centerback in Maddie Bauer. They should be looking at each position of course and not dismissing NWSL players necessarily either, though I’m with you on these young players. The top teams in the college ranks have impressed me a lot so far

          • HOFCToDi

            Unless the USWNTPA agrees to a “pay to play” structure, the USSF will not allocate more than the obligatory twenty-four players.

            At least Jurgen does not have to deal with the headaches of the “equal play, equal pay” cabal.

          • Breakers fan

            Would “play to be paid” be a better, more accurate, more easily understandable way to describe that system?

            When does this crop of allocated players’ time run out? When will it be time to name the next batch of I assume 24 and only 24 allocated players?

          • HOFCToDi

            With the CBA set to expire at the end of the calendar year, that decision may be delayed until a new CBA has been ratified.

          • Steglitz49

            USSF has everything to gain by the CBA expiring. Don’t expect the USSF to bend their collective knee. The NT players will bend over and take what is on offer.

          • Breakers fan

            Gibbons I like – saw her a few times last year. She hustles. I’m not totally sold on how good of an athlete she is, though -I need to see her a few more times. Kayla Mills – after reading the allwhitekit review of her I am now VERY intrigued about her – thanks for that link.

          • HOFCToDi

            Notice that Jaelene Hinkle was not called up for the latest international women’s friendlies.

          • Breakers fan

            True….interesting. Not sure how much to read into that. Whether they didn’t want to interfere with WNY’s playoff run/placement or whether they’ve soured on her. I’m a fan of hers, personally.

          • HOFCToDi

            Sam Mewis was not only called up but started last night.

          • Breakers fan

            Got me. 🙂 yes, indeed. Maybe taking one player was deemed not too egregious but 2 would have been pushing it? I have no idea. The next camp will inform us about their feelings about Hinkle, especially if a new outside left back is called in and not her.

          • HOFCToDi

            Jaelene Hinkle is currently one of the allocated players for the 2016 NWSL Season.

          • Breakers fan

            Your meaning in saying that — in relation to the discussion we’re having? Though allocated they don’t *have to* call her into any future camps do they?

            Was a different outside back called up for this set of friendlies, or did they just go with one less outside back than they have in the past?

          • Breakers fan

            Now I think I know what you meant — I was referring to the USWNT taking 1 player for these friendlies away from the Flash at this point of the NWSL season, not how many total allocated players they have.Not sure if that was the point of your comment. No big deal anyway.

          • HOFCToDi

            Perhaps a foreshadowing of deallocation, similar to Kristie Mewis last year.

          • Breakers fan

            Perhaps, hard to predict. I personally don’t think her play with the NT or WNY will warrant a demotion if one is in the offing. I would think they would want a natural left-footer for left outside back. One in that category for the future is Stanford’s Sophomore Tegan McGrady. Quite good.

          • mockmook

            As said above, Mewis was an alternate in Rio.

          • mockmook

            Mewis was an alternate in Rio.

          • kernel_thai

            They only call Olympic roster plus alternates.

          • Breakers fan

            Do you mean they COULD only call those in or just that they DID just call those in? They really only needed 22 for these 2 games, so maybe that’s what their thinking was – just keep it simple and stick with the Olympic 22, (21, minus Solo) even though they could have (?) brought more in. That’s what I’m wondering.

          • JL

            I think the coaches wanted these two games to be just for the 21 who were in Brazil.

          • HOFCToDi

            To put on display the spoiled brats (equal play, equal pay) and sore losers (those cowards).

          • kernel_thai

            Which would have been relevant if a bunch players were retiring . In reality they call the same players for every match, less HAO who was retired in 2015 and they just got around to honoring her, so there was no reason for this. Ellis’ time would have been better spent letting 2 or 3 new players get their feet wet in a lopsided win than holding a memorial for the Olympic roster.

          • JL

            Hinkle was not one of the 22 players in Brazil. Only those players minus Solo were going to be selected for these games.

          • HOFCToDi

            The USWNT are currently nursing injuries:

            Brian – concussion
            Engen – hamstring
            Pugh – ankle

            Along with a slew of bruised egos.

          • Steglitz49

            The USWNT plays its next significant match in June 2019. That is two seasons away. The wise college senior will have had her agent contact the clubs in Europe with the ever ready.

            We look forward to 2017 with bated breath. The seasons have started in France and Germany among others already.

          • Guest

            Yeah the game against Thailand, who have a nation wide 25 player player pool, was really telling

        • AlexH

          Supposedly Jill had very few fit reserves for this game. I would suggest capping some deserving players out of NWSL but, hey, that’s just crazy talk!

          • HOFCToDi

            Supposedly, Morgan Brian was sent home with concussion like symptoms and Whitney Engen is nursing a hamstring.

          • Steglitz49

            Morgan Brian has won the World Championship, the real McCoy, the big prize. Therefore, if she has concussion symptoms, she must stop playing and concentrate on her life.

          • HOFCToDi

            The USWNT is starting to bleed money. Compare the actual attendance to the projected attendance (U.S. Soccer 2016 Annual General Meeting) for the last three matches:

            ussoccer.com/womens-national-team/results-statistics

            Projected Attendance
            Jul
            24,000
            24,000

            Projected Attendance
            Sep
            16,000
            16,000

        • Not being playoff bound probably had some to do with it. She’ll probably play 90 on Sunday as well.

          • JL

            The only player on a playoff team that played the entire match was Johnston.

          • Steglitz49

            I thought even she got subbed eventually?

          • HOFCToDi

            Julie Johnston was subbed out.

            ussoccer.com/matches/wnt/2016/160915-wnt-v-tha#tab-1

            Lineups:
            USA: 8-Julie Johnston (16-Crystal Dunn, 64)

          • JL

            Whoops. I goofed on that one.

        • HOFCToDi

          The Houston Dash have been eliminated from the NWSL playoffs.

        • tonysocref

          Padding her stats.

  • kickball

    Oh! is this O’Reilly’s last game? and Lloyd score a hat trick! more on Megan Rapinoe.

    • Steglitz49

      Maybe the USWNT team flags should say: “HAO forever in our hearts”? Like Chelsea’s do

  • Gary Diver

    Rapinoe’s Health

    Is Megan Rapinoe completely healthy now? Has she started any Seattle games? Has she played more than 30 minutes in any match? I wonder if Ellis had not put Rapinoe on her OG16 roster whether Rapinoe would even be playing now.

    • Rufan

      She played 45 minutes last night against at a the best a 3rd tier US college team. Shows the progress in her recovery in the 2 months or so since being named to the Olympics roster.

      • Gary Diver

        It is mind boggling that Ellis took Rapinoe to Brazil when she was unfit to play one minute of competitive soccer. What was Ellis thinking? I cannot think of a parallel in sports where a top athlete was out of competition for 9 months and came into an important match and performed well. Is there any examples?

        • Steglitz49

          Which is why I contend JE was forced to and only followed orders.

          They got away with it in WC-15 but there they played Sweden in the group game like they did in WC-11.

          • Gary Diver

            In Ellis’ weird Q&A session several days ago she made the weird comment that the Swedish group play match was the one that made the greatest impression on her during WC15. If so, she is a worse coach than I give her credit. She had a year to work out a game plan for the Swedes and in the end she had no game plan. And inserting Rapinoe into the QF match told her players she did not have confidence in them and needed a miracle (a.k.a. Hail Mary) to win the match. The British CBC commentator made the comment that he thought Ellis was hoping Rapinoe could score a direct goal off a corner kick. If so, Ellis should be fired. Direct goals off corner kicks are rarer than hen’s teeth and depend much more on luck than skill. That is truly asking for a miracle.

          • Steglitz49

            A direct goal was scored by Slovakia against Sweden off a corner kick yesterday. It was a marvel. Left everyone flatfooted. The Slovak lass was 22 or 23.

          • Gary Diver

            They do occur, but almost as rare as hen’s teeth. I believe Megan Rapinoe did score one against Canada in the titanic OG12 SF. It was a very odd corner which landed just short of the near corner of the net and bounced past the line. Definitely not premeditated.

        • Lodovico Settembrini

          Sami Khedira played very well for Germany at the 2014 WC

          He tore his anterior cruciate ligament and medial collateral ligament mid November 2013

          • Steglitz49

            Sami is German.

          • Gary Diver

            There are studies that indicate men recover from injuries faster than women.

    • Steglitz49

      Don’t ask awkward question, please. They can’t handle them, poor lambs.

      The Viking lasses won. No more needs to be said at this time. Less is more.

    • JL

      Rapinoe started Seattle’s last match and played 74 minutes.

  • J. P.

    A very fond farewell To Heather O’Reilly

    . I have enjoyed watching her play for all the years she has been on the team. Perhaps, had she been on the Olympic roster she might not be leaving, perhaps we might not have lost so soon.

    To Megan Rapinoe, turn in your uniform, you don’t have the right to wear it anymore.

    • Steglitz49

      “Good-bye-ee! good-bye-ee!
      Wipe the tear, baby dear, from your eye-ee.
      Tho’ it’s hard to part I know,
      I’ll be tickled to death to go.

      Don’t cry-ee! don’t sigh-ee!
      There’s a silver lining in the sky-ee.
      Bonsoir old thing, cheerio! chin chin!
      Nah-poo! Toodle-oo!
      Good-bye-ee!”

    • Breakers fan

      Yes, HAO — thank you!!! You were a joy to watch all these years. Coming through so many times and always, always keeping a positive, upbeat, smiling attitude. So refreshing to see someone who notices the big picture and is completely voluntarily willing to show gratitude for her place on the national team.

    • Breakers fan

      She’d never say it even if she or part of her felt it but I can’t help but wonder if Rapinoe regrets taking this path. Meaning not that she doesn’t feel the same but could she have attacked these issues in other ways? Very quickly it seems she’ll be known, thought of, for introducing her politics into the sport and her literal stance during the national anthem more so than what were some really good years of soccer playing. But she may not mind that legacy. I’m admittedly soccer-centric when it comes to soccer. I’m not opposed to her voicing her opinion, but having to wonder what she’ll do during each national anthem now — or more accurately having to listen to the media cover it and then hear her talk about it is already a bit tiresome to me. I’m glad she expressed something that she evidently feels strongly about, but now that I know how she feels can she please move her activism to other arenas of society? Otherwise I guess with each game we’ll get her read on whether America has progressed enough since her last game on these matters.

      • Steglitz49

        She made her bed. She can lie in it.

        She misjudged the situation and it came back to bite her.

        • Breakers fan

          How do you mean “she misjudged the situation”? Do you mean that she had no idea how big of a response it would draw or that her actions could possibly affect her livelihood?

          • Steglitz49

            The first of your answers; though in reality both.

            It is hard to explain but you get my drift no doubt.

  • AlexH

    It’s sad that the last thing mentioned on ESPN before the start of the game was to tune into the game to see what Raipnoe does rather than to see HAO’s last game and that Rapinoe was mentioned before HAO when the telecast started. Also on EQ the Rapino article is getting way more comments than the HAO article. So, so sad.

    • Steglitz49

      Why do Americans always have to state in their own words what others already stated quite a while ago.

      Just vote up the relevant comments next time. Indeed, go and do it now.

      • AlexH

        Because my words are full of insight and reason and other’s are just trolls. It’s the way of the internet!

        • Steglitz49

          Whatever floats your boat but being 10 à 11 hours behind the times is kind of lizy. I guess we blame those hazy lazy days of summmer …

      • Steg Watch

        Hypocritical comment form a troll with 50,000 comments on EQ.

    • mms

      I clicked on this article (rather that the other one) hoping that the focus would be on HAO and the game itself. Nope. I lost a lot of respect for Foudy as she went on and on about Rapinoe while HAO was giving her farewell remarks. Clueless and classless timing. I’m done with this team for now. Go Lynx!

      • Steglitz49

        “Lynx”?

  • Guest

    USWNT can’t even defend a Thailand counter attack LOL

    • Steglitz49

      Thai curries are better than homemade ones?

  • I thought the starting XI was very interesting. Did HAO get to pick it? From what I would guess, it was the 11 who’ve had the best NWSL form recently. Which is surprising to me, given that Jill seems to not care about that at all. Switch Morgan for Lloyd and I’d like to see that lineup a lot more. Sunday’s lineup will also be interesting cause I’m sure the playoff bound players won’t play too much.

    • ABCDE

      It was the “B Team” and Heath/Lloyd… see: the Colombia OG match up. Morgan and Lloyd will be starting against the Netherlands, is my guess.

      • anon

        i had to laugh that Jill couldn’t even give Press more than a half.

        • I’m glad she didn’t. Very few got more than a half. Playoffs are coming.

        • Steglitz49

          It will be a quarter next, then an eighth and after that maybe the ebnch. Once the year is up, her time is up.

          • anon

            not happening… no forwards in the pipeline that I can see replacing her anytime soon and she’s in peak form.

          • Steglitz49

            Only 2019 to look forward to now. The Euros are for Europeans.

          • Can you stop with that. You know that isn’t happening.

          • Steglitz49

            It had better. Does the US want to defend their trophy in WC-19 or not?

          • Are we talking about Press or Lloyd?

          • Steglitz49

            Both or neither, whatever your granma’s grammar tells you.

      • How do you figure? All but Krieger, Mewis and Press are regular starters? And the GK situation is now up in the air.

        • ABCDE

          it reminded me of her “B team” lineup against Colombia which also had a few regular starters. i really don’t think it had anything to do with nwsl play.

          • Steglitz49

            Colombia did not matter at the time, only in retrospect.

        • Steglitz49

          Give Mewis her head by all means and meawhile go and find a goalie who is 5’11” to 6’2* at least.

    • Rdalford

      Looked to me that Ellis used all (6) allowed subs so everyone on roster except for extra GK Naeher played. Ellis sub pattern also limited players minutes so most of the NWSL players who’s teams are in NWSL playoffs or still in contention for NWSL playoffs were limited to a half (exception was keeping JJ in until 64 when Dunn came in for JJ).

      Ellis gave fans a chance to acknowledge the players from OG rosters and a chance to honor HAO while limiting minutes for NWSL players in playoffs. I would not read anything else into starters or sub pattern.

      • Steglitz49

        You are too reasonable and sensible for the commentators on the EQ.

        Where does the poor attendance at this match put the USWNT? Attendance is your gebit, is it not? What can we expect against the NL?

      • Engen didn’t get in, did she? I missed the end of the game unfortunately.

        • Rdalford

          Engen is dealing with a hamstring injury and was not on the 18 player roster for this match. Brian also not on roster (dealing with concussion symptoms) and Pugh with U-20’s (and still dealing with ankle injury)

          • Steglitz49

            Brian has won the World Cup. If she has concussion symptoms, she must call it a day.

  • Gary Diver

    “After the game, @HeatherOReilly switched jerseys & wore her married name for the first time in her career.”

    https://mobile.twitter.com/ussoccer_wnt/status/776632910627635200/photo/1

    • Steglitz49

      Bizarre. Is he going on a holiday now?

    • guest

      Shannon Boxx also used her married name of Spearman on her jersey for her final USWNT match.

      Does not seem unusual to me.
      for “brand” recognition marketing reasons some players may choose to play under given name, other change to married name (Holiday etc), and others choose not to change names when married. whatever, it’s their choice

      • Steglitz49

        Cowards, in Hope’s immortal words. Either change when you marry or stay the full course. Don’t aks for your cake after you have eaten it.

      • JL

        Some keep their maiden names for some time after they get married. Rampone was married in November of 2001, but stayed as Pearce on her kit until after the 2003 WC. And Van Hollebeke waited a year to change her kit name from Buehler.

    • HOFCToDi

      youtube.com/watch?v=pkASh_mjIts
      1:14:55

      • Gary Diver

        Thanks for sharing this.

        “One of the problems with main stream sports today is that they have gotten so far from the people who watch them.” – Sally Jenkins

        41:20

        • Steglitz49

          Que?

        • HOFCToDi

          You wonder why the NWSL struggles?

          • Steglitz49

            the NWSL struggles because it adds no value. The top players by and large do not give a monkey’s for it as long as their inflated paychecks hit their bank accounts on time.

            There will be no glamour in WoSo in the US for the next 2.5 years. Why should little girls care when, as you have noted, there are plenty of other role models who stand and deliver.

          • Gary Diver

            Having gone to SBC, I believe more personal contact with the little girls can only help USWNT. The girl fans love it. You’ve got to target your fans or they will stop being your fans.

          • HOFCToDi

            scontent.fhou1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p480x480/13934897_1222092681143055_1254656303702830326_n.jpg?oh=aa10f09ddb28ba9248daf9a1bae6408e&oe=583E3B39
            Even Katie Ledecky is willing to sign an autograph for an “old man”.

          • Steglitz49

            Verily.

    • AlexH

      HAW just doesn’t have the same ring.

      • Gary Diver

        Definitely doesn’t sound Irish.

      • Steglitz49

        As in Hawfinch. Then her nickname might have been Finch or, at an evolutionary stretch, Darwin.

  • Gary Diver

    What Is Happening with the U20 Tournament?

    USWNT U20 versus England tonight at 7:00 p.m. PT at Carson, CA. Game will be streamed live on ussoccer.com. England beat Brazil 1-0 and USWNT U20 tied Korea 0-0 Wednesday.

    All I’ve been able to find about the US/Korea match was a single paragraph that has been repeated in a few articles. Nothing of substance other than a measly 7 SOG by both teams.

    Now I cannot find the US/Korea video on the USSF site. But I can find the Brazil/England match on the site. The USWNT/Korea match video was streamed but now I cannot find it. So strange.

    I watched bits and pieces of the US/Korea match after coming from a social obligation. I was shocked by how often USWNT players lost the ball. I don’t understand – it can’t be that hard not to be stripped of the ball. They were losing the ball in one-on-one situations and with 3 pass situations. It was almost a game of hot potato.

    And the Pugh story – or lack of story – is also strange. There was no pre-game report that she wasn’t going to play and everybody was expecting her to play. But no Mallory Pugh and no explanation. And originally she was going to hop on a plane after the match to fly to Atlanta to join USWNT. That plan has been squashed, but again no explanation.

    The apparent secrecy around the youth system is so frustrating. There is never any explanation. Just like Jill Ellis not doing a post-game interview after the OG16 QF debacle to face the music. People act as though nobody is every responsibility for anything that happens with USWNT. Everything is an act of God.

    • HOFCToDi

      What is so shocking?

      topdrawersoccer.com/the91stminute/2016/07/the-high-cost-of-american-coaching/

      topdrawersoccer.com/the91stminute/2015/08/the-great-american-scouting-crisis/

      topdrawersoccer.com/the91stminute/2016/06/pay-to-play-is-a-symptom-not-the-problem-itself/

      • Gary Diver

        Thanks for sharing these informative articles. Honestly I don’t understand how you find all the relevant items you do. You must have a staff.

        • HOFCToDi

          Subscribe:

          Top Drawer Soccer

          topdrawersoccer.com

    • kernel_thai

      The matches r being streamed on Youtube in the USSoccer account. Here iS US/S.Korea…https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tt6H5llpjohe

    • another guest

      US soccer site appears to have the U-20 Women’s NTC tournament articles, box scores, match reports, schedule and match results on us soccer site. Once on us soccer site, select U-20 WNT from team drop down, then select tournaments, and then select 2016 U-20 NTC Invitational. tabs for various types of info (us matches, schedule with all matches, stories , etc)

      The us soccer channel on youtube has current live streams of today’s 9/16 matches plus live streams of 9/14 matches (USA v Korea & England v Brazil)

    • Hans Castorp

      They just lost to England and haven’t scored a goal in over 180 minutes. Is Michelle French a good coach?

      • DNG

        I watched the end of the match. It looks like they struggle with chance creation just like the full international team does. Pugh got in at the end and while she did make an impact, she was hardly head and shoulders better than the other players when asked to do more. She missed a chance where she was basically 1v1 with the keeper.

        • Gary Diver

          I also saw the end of the match and agree with everything you said. Actually it is sad for as Hans Castorp pointed out above USWNT U20 has not scored in over 180 minutes. I’ve wondered about Michelle French and now am very concerned.

          I’ve also wondered if a virtual Jessie Fleming had been put in instead of Mallory Pugh would she had scored. My sense is yes. When you have a one-on-one with the keeper, you simply have to put it away. Pugh has talent but I am not sure she is a good shot, definitely doesn’t seem as good as Fleming.

          So far our U20 team has badly underperformed. And I believe HOFCToDi’s concerns expressed below are on target. The pool of talented US players is not currently be served well by USSF, their staff, and their policies.

          • mockmook

            Fleming misses shots, too.

            But, I agree with the gist of your comments.

    • mockmook

      The announcers for the games aren’t very informative about anything.

      They don’t give the starting line-ups. They don’t say what formations the teams are playing — and, they rarely say what position (or even which line) a player is playing.

  • Lorehead

    In other international news, 18,020 came to see France play Brazil, and both Amandine Henry and Nadia Nadim (in another game, for Denmark) scored braces.

    • HOFCToDi

      In other news, the 2016 Summer Olympics were the third most successful for the United States as far as the medal count (121) and the most successful not held in the United States.

      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_at_the_2016_Summer_Olympics

      • Gary Diver

        The medal count would have been even better if the IOC President Thomas Bach wasn’t a gutless toady friend of Vladimir Putin. The Russian recent hacking of WADA and their leaking personal information about the Williams sisters and Simone Biles was disgusting and deplorable. At least the Paralmpics is doing the right thing and telling the Russians you can’t cheat and play. If FIFA had any integrity, they should strip Russia of the World Cup. State sponsored cheating and fraud needs to be opposed and IOC and FIFA coddling of the Russians only encourages them.

        • HOFCToDi

          FIFA President Gianni Infantino is just as corrupt and inept as his predecessor.

          espnfc.us/fifa-world-cup/story/2951732/fifas-gianni-infantino-wants-positivity-ahead-of-2018-world-cup-in-russia

          “McLaren also found that 11 positive doping cases of Russian footballers were made to disappear.”

    • HOFCToDi

      Huh?

      womenssoccerunited.com/france-v-brazil-16-sep/

      Full-time: France 1 Brazil 1 (Lavogez 2′, Marta 8′)

      • Lorehead

        Oof. I meant Dagny Bryjnarsdottir, not Amandine Henry. Thank you for correcting my error.

        • HOFCToDi

          FIFA Women’s Ranking
          Denmark – 20th
          Moldova – 100th

          FIFA Women’s Ranking
          Iceland – 16th
          Slovenia – 59th

          fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/women/uefa.html

          FIFA Women’s Ranking
          USA – 1st
          Costa Rica – 29th

          fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/women/concacaf.html

          • Steglitz49

            FIFA ladies ranking
            Sweden 6th — 1995 pts
            Slovakia 41st –1541 pts
            Sweden 2, Slovakia 1 — in last Thursday’s Euro qualifier.

            the scoring went 1-0 by Emilia Appelquist 1-1 Patricia Fischerová, and 2-1 Pauline Hammarlund for Sweden.

      • Gary Diver

        Interesting that the only scoring occurred in the first ten minutes.

      • Steglitz49

        It is amazing how France hangs on to the old-timers who have repeatedly failed. Bizarre. If FWNT was an oral contraceptive would you recommend it to a friend?

  • Gary Diver

    Off-Topic Alert: Russia Hoodwinks FIFA

    “FIFA’s Gianni Infantino Wants Positivity Ahead of 2018 World Cup in Russia”

    http://www.espnfc.us/fifa-world-cup/story/2951732/fifas-gianni-infantino-wants-positivity-ahead-of-2018-world-cup-in-russia

    “FIFA president Gianni Infantino has hit out at attempts to “undermine” the 2018 World Cup in Russia, saying he will not judge the country on the investigation which documented a state-sponsored doping program that included football. Infantino told the Associated Press it is still “very good” working with Russian Sports Minister Vitaly Mutko, who has been accused of personally intervening to cover up a doping case of at least one foreign footballer in the Russian Premier League.

    Canadian lawyer Richard McLaren found that 11 positive doping cases of Russian footballers were made to disappear.

    Mutko, as well as being sports minister, leads the country’s football federation, and sits on FIFA’s ruling council. He was banned by the IOC from attending the Rio de Janeiro Olympics last month based on McLaren’s findings, but he retains Infantino’s backing.”

    • HOFCToDi

      Business as usual with FIFA.

      “McLaren also found that 11 positive doping cases of Russian footballers were made to disappear.”

      FIFA is corrupt and inept.

  • HOFCToDi

    Cable Sports TV Ratings for Tuesday, 6 September 2016:

    sportstvratings.com/wwe-smackdown-u-s-open-tennis-mexico-honduras-top-cable-sports-ish-tv-ratings-for-tuesday-september-6-2016/5794/

    Total Viewers (000)
    September 6, 2016
    World Cup Qualifier USA L
    Fox Sports 1 – 550

    Cable Sports TV Ratings for Thursday, 15 September 2016:

    sportstvratings.com/jets-bills-houston-cincinnati-top-cable-sports-tv-ratings-for-thursday-september-15-2016/5843/

    Total Viewers (000)
    September 15, 2016
    USA Soccer Women L
    ESPN2 – 266

    • Steglitz49

      Please help us with some simple interpretation. I can see that one is twice the other but some adjustment is needed for the household penetration of Fox Sport 1 vs ESPN2 in terms of which is easier and more common to view.

      • HOFCToDi

        sportstvratings.com/how-many-more-homes-is-espn-in-than-fs1-and-nbc-sports-network-june-2016-edition/5087/

        • Steglitz49

          What is you assessment and conclusion?

          • HOFCToDi

            It’s self-explanatory.

          • Steglitz49

            Explain it to yourself while you are at it explaining it to the rest of us.

  • HOFCToDi

    Match: U.S. Men’s National Team vs. Trinidad & Tobago
    Date: September 6, 2016
    Competition: 2018 FIFA World Cup Qualifying; Semifinal Round
    Venue: EverBank Field; Jacksonville, Florida

    ussoccer.com/mens-national-team/tournaments/2018-fifa-world-cup-qualifying-semifinal-round/160906-mnt-v-tri#tab-1

    Attendance: 19,410

    Match: U.S. Women’s National Team vs. Thailand
    Date: September 15, 2016
    Competition: International Friendly
    Venue: MAPFRE Stadium; Columbus, Ohio

    ussoccer.com/matches/wnt/2016/160915-wnt-v-tha#tab-1

    Attendance: 10,490

    • Steglitz49

      What were the ticket prices?
      One was a WC qualifier the other a friendly.

      — EverBank Field seats about 65,000 — thus it was about 30% full. Jackson has a pop of about 800k with 1.5m in the metro area.
      — MAPFRE Stadium seats 20,000 — thus it was 50% full. Colombus is about 850k with 2m in the metro area.

      In short, unless the tickets for the ladies match were very much more expensive than the men, it suggests that BroSo is more popular than WoSo in the USA.

      • HOFCToDi

        Chart 2 – Women’s National Team – FY’17 Event Budget
        Average Ticket Price
        USWNT – $50.19

        Chart 3 – Men’s National Team – FY’17 Event Budget
        Average Ticket Price
        USMNT – $60.50

        resources.ussoccer.com/images/160127-AGM-PDF-FINAL.pdf

        Utilizing your theory, check out the population base:

        en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacksonville%2C_Florida

        en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbus,_Ohio

        • Steglitz49

          Thank you. Seeing that the stadia were not sold out and the population bases fairly similar and more than enough, the difference is pretty damning.

          Let’s see what the game against the NL can conjure up.

          • HOFCToDi

            youtube.com/watch?v=yrpmv_zOa0k

          • Steglitz49

            Another way of looking at it is that the gross gate at the WNT match was about $525,000 while that at the MNT was $1,170,000, a difference of $600,000, not to be sneezed at. Sales from kiosks and other concessions ought to be proportionally more for the men.

  • Steglitz49

    Northern Ireland will to host a four-team Women’s Under-19 tournament next month (Oct 18th-23rd), which England, France and the US will also compete in.

    It is in preparations for the European Championships that Northen Ireland will hold in August 2017. The matches will take place across Northen Ireland. Ballymena Showgrounds, Mourneview Park in Lurgan, Portdown’s Shamrock Park and the National Stadium in Belfast.

    Both England and France have qualified for the EU Championship. France has won it four times and England once (in 2009). The US outfit will no doubt be looking to gain themselves a place in the first squad so the 6 days competition will offer a challenge to all.
    The fixtures are as follows:

    Tuesday 18th Oct — BST is 5h ahead of US ET.
    England vs USA @ Ballymena, KO 14:00 BST
    Northern Ireland vs France @ Ballymena, KO 19:30

    Thursday 20th Oct
    France vs USA @ Mourneview Park, KO 12:00
    Northern Ireland vs England @ Shamrock Park, KO 19:30

    Saturday 23rd Oct
    France vs England @ Windsor Park, KO 12:00
    USA v Northen Ireland @ Windsor Park, KO 16:30

    The weather in late October is likely to be inclement with rain and fog but why not pop across the pond?

    • HOFCToDi

      Those times interfere with the local brawls ……….

      youtube.com/watch?v=8Bm0RIs-VJU

      “Marquess of Queensberry Rules”

    • MurderOnZidanesFloor

      The timing of this seems strange. Both the US and England are competing in the U17 world cup that runs between 30 September and 21 October, overlapping with this tournament, and surely many of the players in the U17 squad would be expected to be in the U19 squad come next year?

      • Steglitz49

        U17 is U17 and U19 is U19 and U2 was/is a popgroup that used to perform under a Trabant. That may have to do that one end of the U2 U-bahn in Berlin stopped where the top brass of the Communist Party lived.

        I digress. I think there are enough players aged 18 and 19 to play in U19. I have no memory of European U19 teams having any U17 members in them but I daresay it happens.

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  • sudeep das

    Off topic but in line with some of the comments already posted about the performance of USWNT U20 team. Having watched the final 30 mins. of two games played so far I am really disappointed with their aimless play. No wonder they lost to Japan by a 5-0 margin earlier this year.
    Mallory Pugh yesterday had some impact but missed two chances in her 15+ mins. of play in the end. Her lack of finishing in 1v1 against the goalie or a defender doesn’t do any justice to her talent. She has probably missed at least 5 goals for the senior WNT so far and definitely 1 for the U20 yesterday.
    All this hush hush ever since that New Zealand game is a bit odd. Against Sweden she was hardly involved in the play in the 1st half which itself was weird. Were they protecting her from further knocks on her ankle (which already has a history)?

    • DNG

      Shame there is no article about this. I think the U20 games would spark some interesting discussion. Like I said below I see lots of the same issues in the U20 team that I see in the full team.

      To your point regarding Pugh, I still think she is quite raw as a player. Her physical advantages cover up for some of her weaknesses at the moment. I think the reason she didn’t seem all that involved at the Olympic at times was because the team chose to not play through her. They want her to impact the game in key moments as oppose to running the team around her which in my opinion was smart. I’m sure plenty will disagree but other than some good passes from the hole Pugh has been little more than a player who drives end line and crosses. So far she has not shown to be a clinical finisher either. Her dribbling while often clean is very direct and straight. She doesn’t have the ability to quickly chance directions with the ball at her feet. She’s only 18 and I’m sure she will improve, but I think some people are getting ahead of themselves with what they’ve seen so far.

      • Steglitz49

        Americans do not care for losses and even draws. Had the U20 won you would have heard.

        • DNG

          I feel like it’s almost the opposite on this site. If the USWNT plays well there is less to talk about it seems.

          • Steglitz49

            You must not mix up the USSF and the EQ.

        • Gary Diver

          A good example is when the US U20 team traveled to Papua New Guinea a few months ago to play Japan and got decimated 5-0. The secrecy surrounding the events of that match is actually disturbing. We know nothing except the match report which didn’t tell us anything.

          • ARED

            Secrecy, or lack of interest…?

        • MrTemecula

          Americans would not care if they won either. Is it even televised? If it is not on tv, it did not happen in America.

          • Steglitz49

            Americans do not care much for WoSo. They care 3x more for BroSo. Grid-iron tops the bill.

          • MrTemecula

            I would not go that far. Americans care about the World Cup, Olympics and their youth leagues. At least 1.5 m girls play in organized youth leagues. For women professional soccer to thrive, they probably just have to capture 5% of the population. MLS is around 4% and doing well, while women are at 1% (probably rounded upward), but ten years ago men were at 2%. So, there is hope.

            http://www.theharrispoll.com/sports/Americas_Fav_Sport_2016.html

          • Steglitz49

            I was considering these current times, not yesterday or a decade ago.

            There is indeed hope for WoSo in spite of the Bomb in Brasilia, though this last match would suggest that it hangs by a thin thread.

      • Steglitz49

        Mana Iwabuchi was 18 when she played in the WC-11 final. Mallory will be 21 in WC-19, a year older than Saki Kumagai was in WC-11 and Stina Blackstenius was in Rio.

        • #1Fan

          you mention age a lot but its irrelevant.The earlier physical maturation and the sheer amount of touches that these girls are getting now put them way ahead of players of the past. If USSF were more progressive, they would have more young players involved.

          • Steglitz49

            I have always maintained that WoSo is a young woman’s game, aged 18-29, with a median about 25. A team should only have the odd player 30 or older in it. Below 18 it is harder to be categorical.

            Players like ARod, Syd and Holiday are in some ways fine role models, Alex so far also of course.

          • #1Fan

            its a game for player of quality irrespective of age. Im not a fan of Morgan. Criminally overrated. Technically average at best

          • Gary Diver

            Alex Morgan has made memorable goals when USWNT needed them. Even her goal in Swedish OG16 QF game was memorable as was her goals in the French and German SBC games. But her day in-day out grunt work is very uneven where her “average technical abilities” often betrays her.

          • #1Fan

            there is a tendency to focus on goals. I try and exclude them in my analysis as much as I can. I believe that a better forward would also create more for others. Another way of looking at it is this. Would another player given an extended run score? the answer there for me is yes. Press, Dunn etc have all scored form the central role.

          • DNG

            For myself, the need to exclude goals, or shift my focus away from them, is due to the nature of many of them. So many goals the result of broken plays or defensive blunders that better women’s football players would take care of. Crystal Dunn has scored 1 goal in 19 games for the Spirit this season. She has had plenty of chances to score this year but her finishing has been poor. With the NT she is helped by playing with better players around her and playing against worse competition. She has scored 12 goals in 20 games only starting 13. You can also take both of Morgan’s goals in this game as an example as well. Both came off plays I think the defense should have dealt with.

          • #1Fan

            We agree

          • #1Fan

            just watched Pugh cameo in U20 game. Really poor to me. Missed a great chance. Its not enough to blast crosses into the box when no one is there. Get your head up and assess the situation.
            What is laughable is to hear commentators making excuses for her and blaming others.

          • DNG

            I often need to mute the commentary when watching these matches. American announcers hardly ever give anything close to an objective view.

            In general I agree with your assessment of Pugh. On the full team there are probably always at least two players making the run so crossing often is a good decision. Not so much when there is no one in the box. It’s a problem I see a lot in the NWSL with speed based attackers. Dunn has this problem as well.

            I’m curious to know what you think about U20’s performance as a whole, unless you haven’t gotten around to watching the entire games yet. From what I could tell from a first viewing they also seem to struggle with chance creation and playing through the middle. They seem to rely a lot on crosses and FB overlaps as well.

          • #1Fan

            i watched most of the game. I hate being mean, but I was unimpressed across the board. Canales , Cousins are supposed to be high upside players. I see physically limited players who will struggle agains athleticism UNLESS they are surrounded by them. Creativity thru the middle was/is non existent. Scarpa looked like a typical UNC player. Once the direct option is taken away, no clue. This group looks very light on creativity to me.

          • DNG

            By and large this is what I observed as well. The lack or real creativity seems to be a direct result how the system works. I wonder how many of these young girls consistently watch top level football to learn from it. I can’t say I’m too optimistic right now about their chances at the WC later this year.

          • #1Fan

            You nailed it. Very few do, its obvious. This is a consistent theme. Most of the opposition is far further along in actually understanding the rhythm of the game. The US seems to go full pace fwd and if that fails …ooops out of ideas. To be clear, Brazil we rho that good. Just a lot more savvy as to how to control the pace and style of a game.

          • #1Fan

            on the full team its all Lloyd does consistently. Crash hard and hope to connect or get a rebound

      • Gary Diver

        It is hard not to compare Mallory Pugh and Jessie Fleming since they are both the same age, both play a similar role with their national teams, both will play for UCLA, and both have been hyped to high heaven.

        Fleming has her first national cap when 15 years old. She, unlike Pugh, is actually playing for UCLA. I assume she will just get on a plane with her U20 team and go to Papua New Guinea during November. The fact that she is doing OG16, U20 WC16, and UCLA this year is quite amazing in itself.

        Mallory Pugh played her first senior match against Ireland when she replaced Alex Morgan in the second half. She has only been a regular for USWNT since March. But during the past couple of months there are questions about her endurance and talents. The next year will be interesting in her development.

        • MrTemecula

          When Fleming leaves in November, it will stink for the Bruins because she has been huge for the team so far. We had a punchers chance for the College Cup with her. Without her? Don’t think so.

          • Steglitz49

            Indeed. Maybe college will need to start to observe FIFA windows or use the argument that academic requirements mean they can’t play U20 soccer.

          • MrTemecula

            The NCAA doesn’t even observe the Laws of the Game, so with nearly 80,000 college soccer players, I doubt they will accommodate 30 women players. As for academic requirements, each kid can handle different loads, so where Fleming seems to be able to balance college with U20 commitments, Pugh wanted to focus on U20.

          • Steglitz49

            Jessie Flemming has had a stellar time on the CWNT and now picked up a bronze in Rio. U20 is Jessie’s duty and her joy but she is secure in her own achievements, Pugh’s achievements are in the future.

          • #1Fan

            UCLA are trying to recruit back to relevance al al Man United. It will be interested to see how many titles they actually win in the next 6 years. Stanford have also offered many many kids thru 2018

          • Steglitz49

            I would advise any young lady to accept an honest and true offer from Stanford.

          • #1Fan

            i would advise a kid to accept wherever she feels that she will be happy. Soccer becomes a big part of it and your overall experience will be impacted by it. Stanford was not a good choice for my kid.

          • Steglitz49

            Why not? Too snooty? Too many expensive add-ons? Too academic?

          • #1Fan

            just not right for her. A kid needs to feel like they are in the right spot or a College scholarship to play a sport can really be a curse. Forced to play to keep the $$, but not enjoying the environment. School work etc can also weight on them. Mentally it can be really really hard.

          • Gary Diver

            In addition to Jessie Fleming, Mallory Pugh, and Ashley Sanchez, it is my understanding that UCLA has 3 or 4 other top prospects coming in next year. Are they attempting to recruit a Lyons-typle super team?

          • Steglitz49

            Given the NCAA regulations, it is unclear to me what the various colleges can offer in a bidding war. Any ideas?

            I assume they can offer full scholarships in stead of partial ones, but what else? Better accommodation as freshmen and throughout their college stay? Free laundry? Free OCs?

          • Gary Diver

            #1Fan may know. If WoSo is like football recruitment the colleges invite the kids with their parents and then sell promises of special treatment and stroke their “fields of dreams”.

          • #1Fan

            not my experience, but does not mean it dose not happen. I can only tell you what we did. She got at least 150 letters. replied to all. Reached out to the 5 schools she was interested, Visited. Got an offer from her top choice. Done. As a family, we did not go into it to try and get “more”. She wanted to go to her #1 and they made a fantastic offer so that was it. Maybe others try and horse trade more.

            Full is basically everything inc books accommodation etc.

          • Steglitz49

            Wonderful. Congratulations!

          • #1Fan

            Tyvm. She works hard but to be honest standard is not that high !! Boys so much harder

          • anon

            it’s probably the weather, proximity to the training center, opportunities in LA. i’m more of a norcal/stanford fan myself, but playing out there is pretty nice.

          • #1Fan

            they have a lot of kids committed there thru 2018 that are decent players. College is tough tho. Real defenders are often overlooked for flasher types. Im biased. But year in year out UVA are the best footballing team. They don’t win all the time, intact no National Championships. But they play real progressive soccer and try to pass around teams. They also are very good at not hyping players. Their top players seem to get exposure based on actual performance.

        • Steglitz49

          Jessie Flemming has won an Olympic bronze. Mallory Pugh has not.

        • #1Fan

          Amazing or stupid? Not sure which. The body has limitations and she is young. The mind does as well.

      • #1Fan

        DNG..are you me in disguise ? i have been killed for saying similar things. Pugh hype is disproportionate to Pugh talent. Players who can drive to the end line and have pace appears flashy. They catch the eye. But time will tell for me if she is a difference maker. I constantly refer to what i know. I can tell you that I know many player who can use pace to create, but they are not going to be consistent diff makers vs the very best opposition. They will destroy most trams though because the sheer speed they have requires tactical adjustments most teams cannot make. I think Pugh has it, but it not a given,

        • DNG

          I think Pugh can be a difference maker. I think she has shown pretty capable of making plays against good competition but the genesis of those plays is mostly speed not technical quality. I think she has a lot of the tools to excel. What I am currently unsure of is what her ceiling actually is and, to some extent, what her position is.

          “Players who can drive to the end line and have pace appears flashy.”

          Completely agree with this statement. Morgan and Leroux in particular are beneficiaries of this because they also score goals. Announcers like Foudy point it out all the time during broadcasts. While crosses are important to any offense I think there is misunderstanding by many in how valuable they are in chance creation. First, they are only as effective as the players on the end of them. Second, Long and high crosses have a low probability of resulting in goals because defenders can easily adjust and defend them. Driven crosses and crosses/passes across the keeper that originate closer to goal inside the 18 are much more effective than high long ones. The goal of passing across the keeper should alway be to minimize the keepers chance of making a save.

          • Steglitz49

            Alex is in a class of her own. Her most famous goal is a header! She has demonstrated that she can be an assist machine.

          • #1Fan

            we disagree. I reckon i could find you many “next Alex Morgans” with little effort.

          • Steglitz49

            Time is on your side. They are not needed till 2019.

          • DNG

            Morgan has had a sucessful career internationally and produced in big moments. That’s not the same thing as being a good footballer and I feel even stronger about that statement if you replace Morgan with Lloyd.

          • anon

            the onlytruly technical offensive player the US has is Press.

          • Steglitz49

            Good grief.

          • #1Fan

            This.

          • Steglitz49

            Zlatan and King Eric may not be good footballers in your definition but most people would be more than pleased to have them in their team.

            Stina Blackstenius and Jessica Samuelsson rule OK, fortunately, not to forget Lisa Dahlkvist.

            If Alex is not a good footballer, I would hate to have one of your bad footballers in my team. All players can’t be Marta or Miyama but at least Alex’s surname starts with an M.

          • #1Fan

            Agree on Pugh, but I must stress that the things I want to see as evidence of being more, I have not yet see consistently. I have seen a tendency to drive forward immediately without support. At times I can see her getting tactically isolated as others are not in synch. Morgan does not really suit this style as she want to be the runner. In spite of the assist, i think Pugh is not a good crosser yet. She tends to drive it in and hope. Not much variety.

            All this will get better and if asked to bet, I reckon she ends up a good international player. Im not sure is she ends up as transformational.

          • DNG

            At the moment I would want to see Pugh develop her game as more of a wide forward. I like Morgan Brian right now as the primary creative central player but prefer her a little deeper than a traditional 10 in a 4-3-3 or a 3-5-2.

            I also, think Pugh’s speed can be used most effectively from the outside. However, if she is to excel as a wide forward, I think she has things she needs to work on which is why I said in my original comment that she is still raw. I think she can improve her dribbling a lot. Specifically, her ability to quickly change directions while keeping the ball close and glued to her feet. Men’s players I think she should study are Messi, Neymar, Hazard, and Sanchez to name a few. If she has to emulate her NT teammates. Rapinoe and Heath would be good players to take things from.

            As far as her crossing ability goes I agree that it is not great at the moment but I don’t necessarily think it needs to be for Pugh to become a very good player. When I think of top wingers like Neymar for instance, Neymar is excellent a making slicing runs towards goal before passing the ball right into the 6 yard box. Those are the types of plays I think Pugh and the other NT wingers should be attempting to make, not long crosses from the wing.

            I think both Rapinoe and Heath have by and large been wasted by the NT coaches who primarily use them and developed them as crossers. Even though Rapinoe is a very good crosser of the ball I think she is even better when she makes slicing runs into the box or creates an opening for her shot. Heath is not a good crosser but a very adept one touch passer especially in congested areas(if only someone taught her how to properly strike a ball).

          • Steglitz49

            Neymar is too slight for the modern game. He is an outstanding technical player but unlike Messi there is not enough of him. A good female parallel is Kosse Asllani.

        • Gary Diver

          You have been one of the few posters who have questioned the common wisdom of the strength of the US youth program. There is enough evidence that not all is well with the UWNT program and your comments have given all of us much to question and to think about.

          1. Your concern about the Pugh hype appears to be justified. I have concerns about her durability and shooting ability. Just 18 years old and she already seems injured a lot. USWNT is already dealing with Morgan Brian’s continual injuries at a young age and I hope Pugh doesn’t join her on the often injured list.

          2. As I said earlier, if U20 poops out on tonight without scoring a goal for the Women’s NTC Invitational, there will be a lot of serious questions that need answers.

          Question: Based on what you’ve seen so far, how would you compare Mallory Pugh and Jessie Fleming?

          • #1Fan

            1. I think Pugh will come good. I think the way she is treated makes it A LOT harder. It is naive, but I wish she was allowed to develop. She is being overplayed and I don’t know why.

            2. I think the questions already need to be asked. Is it better to redshirt these kids and sequester them in camp or would it be better to let them play College soccer and convene later? There are already question marks. BUT if Pugh scores 2 goals and they win, it will be all about …well Pugh did not play. Wait till we add Sanchez. That is my fear.

            U17s really should win. But we will see. I think there are a few top players who have not been picked. I can’t tell you why, Summer Yates is a very good player and yet ….

            I like them both. Pugh is faster and therefore has an edge there. Technically, Fleming seems ahead. But, one is under far more pressure than the other. There is no way Fleming makes the US team @ 15. In fact i don’t think she makes the US team period.

          • Gary Diver

            Thanks, I appreciate your comments. Funny, in the past we often disagreed about some of these issues and I must admit that you have always made me think and I am agreeing with you more and more.

            Just a note about Pugh vs Fleming. Fleming was able to play at WC15 and has been on the Canadian national team for about two years while Pugh has been playing for USWNT for just over one-half year. So Fleming has a big advantage with senior experience. It will be very interesting to see how these two wunderkinds get along at UCLA. And adding Sanchez there may be a problem with only one ball on the field at a time.

          • #1Fan

            I don’t look at it as far as the senior team. In fact i believe Pugh has probably played more high stress games than Fleming has. They take a toll. Flemings big advantage is not the senior team experience. Its being able to develop in anonymity more than Pugh has. Pugh is a walking billboard for US Soccer. That is a lot o put on a kid and expect her to get better. If she does, its expected. If she does not ….the pressure will mount. I see signs of it getting to her already. Its a great shame

          • Gary Diver

            Good points. I was at all SBC games and the expectations on Pugh was high even back in March. And when the players came out to meet their fans, Pugh seemed tentative about the hoop-la. (I mentioned this before, but Hope Solo was by far the most generous player to USWNT fans after the games.)

            USWNT needs to reduce the pressure placed on Pugh. It seems they have backed off hyping Sanchez a little which can only be good for Sanchez. The stress of being expected to be the “future Mia Hamm” or “future Christine Sinclair” is counter-productive and harmful.

          • Steglitz49

            After the Bomb in Brasilia, there is little to hype.

            A resounding win over the NL and later the Swiss, would help resurrect the good ship USWNT and get her on an even keel and back on the rails if not the wagon.

          • Steglitz49

            I don’t follow you. Fleming started in all Canada’s matches in Rio. Those matches included the wins in the group games against Germany and Australia, where Canada played with 10 women for most of the match, and the bronze match of course.

            Whom has Pugh faced? Sweden. Verily and forsooth. How could I forget?

          • Steglitz49

            Jessie Flemming has played 26 matches for Canada’s senior WNT during the past 3 years and she has won an Olympic bronze.

            I am generally against players <18 years playing for the seniors because of safety concerns but I can see that small countries with limited player pools have no choice.

          • #1Fan

            Women are different. I don’t see physical risk, more mental ones – fitting in, pressure, living a totally different life of the pitch etc

          • Steglitz49

            Regarding safety, there are both physical risks and there are sociopsychological risks.

            I am much in favor of these young ladies being allowed to be their ages, be it 16 or 18 or 23 years.

          • Pinkman

            Sociopsychological risks? Tell Pele, Messi, Goetze, Ronaldo, Kumagai, Manabuchi, Mia Hamm, Birgit Prinz, Marta about it

            Good players neither have pysical nor mental problems to play for a national team in the age of 18, 19, 20 or 21

          • Steglitz49

            At 18 Marta went to Umeå in the north of Sweden to play her soccer. She learnt Swedish and spent 5 happy years there before the pull of the mighty Greenback became too strong.

            I have mentioned some of the players you describe: Mana Iwabuchi and Saki Kumagai as well as Marta among the ladies

          • JJ

            Be careful with statements such as U17s really should win.

            We don’t know the others teams. What about Japan’s U17. What about the African teams, what about Germany and Spain.

            Maybe they have a Pugh or a Sanchez as well. Maybe they have 5-7 good players, maybe they have a better team spirit

          • #1Fan

            Not really. Thats my opinion based on my knowledge of all the teams. Im not saying they will win, but with the players they have at their disposal, the resources, the time they have devoted to camps, they really should win. I am not saying they will, just that they should.

          • JJ

            So you really know the teams of Germany or Spain. Chapeau! Out of curiousity – how did you gain your knowledge?

    • Gary Diver

      Generally I agree with everything you have said. Where is the interest in US youth soccer? The U20 WC16 tournament is a big deal and has been a launching pad for many future national player.

      I’ve made similar comments about Pugh. She is 18 years old and already there are some question marks about her abilities and future. Is she injury prone? Is she a good shot? Her missing the one-on-one against the English keeper looked sad. Basically she had an open net and she kicked the ball directly at the keeper.

      U20 has not scored in over 120 consecutive minutes. If they do not score against Brazil on Sunday, their W16 tournament will start off with zero confidence and a ton of questions.

      Michelle French inserted new blood in the last ten minutes of the match. That is too little too late.

      If U20 poops out on Sunday I was be very upset with French and the whole USWNT system.

    • #1Fan

      what do you mean? Maybe this is the extent of her talent.

      • Steglitz49

        Indeed.

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