Rapinoe kneels for anthem for first time in US jersey

The Equalizer Staff September 15, 2016 395
Megan Rapinoe knelt during the U.S. national anthem ahead of the United States' match vs. Thailand.

Megan Rapinoe knelt during the U.S. national anthem ahead of the United States’ match vs. Thailand.

Megan Rapinoe knelt during the United States national anthem prior to the U.S. women’s national team’s game against Thailand on Thursday in Columbus, Ohio.

Her decision to kneel is a continuation of her protest, which she started on Sept. 4 in the Chicago suburbs. She knelt there to stand in solidarity with San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick, who knelt during NFL preseason matches in protest of racially-charged police-related brutality.

“I just went with what was in my heart and I think what I knew all along,” Rapinoe said after Thursday’s game.

Rapinoe planned to continue to kneel last week on the road in Maryland, but Washington Spirit owner Bill Lynch denied her that opportunity by playing the U.S. national anthem with players still in the locker rooms. On Sunday, at home in Seattle on Sept. 11 – the 15th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks – Rapinoe stood with her arms locked with Seattle Reign FC teammates.

But Thursday marked the first time that Rapinoe knelt during the national anthem while wearing a USA jersey. None of her teammates joined her.

Rapinoe started the match on the bench. She came on to start the second half.

U.S. coach Jill Ellis made it clear prior to the match that she expected Rapinoe to stand for the anthem, and U.S. Soccer officials spoke with Rapinoe about her plans.

“I totally understand where Megan is, in terms of her willingness to talk about hard social issues,” Ellis said, via espnW. “I respect that. I support that. Those conversations should be had. Me personally, in this environment for a national team, I don’t disassociate playing for your country. I think that’s a part of a national symbol. So in terms of standing for a national anthem, I think that’s an expectation of a national team player.”

U.S. Soccer released a statement following the match which echoed those thoughts:

“Representing your country is a privilege and honor for any player or coach that is associated with U.S. Soccer’s National Teams. Therefore, our national anthem has particular significance for U.S. Soccer. In front of national and often global audiences, the playing of our national anthem is an opportunity for our Men’s and Women’s National Team players and coaches to reflect upon the liberties and freedom we all appreciate in this country.

“As part of the privilege to represent your country, we have an expectation that our players and coaches will stand and honor our flag while the National Anthem is played.”

Rapinoe continues to protest in solidarity with Kaepernick and, since, several other NFL players as they look to bring awareness to racial issues. Rapinoe added when she first knelt that, “being a gay American, I know what it means to look at the flag and not have it protect all of your liberties.”

On Wednesday, police fatally shot a 13-year-old boy in Columbus – where the U.S. played Thursday – after the boy “pulled a gun from his waistband.” The weapon recovered from the scene was a BB gun. The boy, Tyre King, was black.

  • Chak Khan

    Mia Hamm! Mia Hamm! MIA. HAMM!

  • Cc W

    5-0 but fairly boring game. I watched the first few minutes and saw the HAO assist and goal, but Thailand hasn’t been horrible. They have actually played the ball in the US half.

  • Cc W

    And Thailand scored – so whatever the final is – they should get credit, not a clean sheet.

    • Gary Diver

      In what game did Thailand score?

      • obo

        This one, but not by the referee’s judgment, so it didn’t count. KO sold the save and there’s no official replay. https://twitter.com/OurGameMagazine/status/776597260079468544

        • Cc W

          It is unfortunate that they missed the call – Thailand deserved to get that goal for their confidence. USS has been quite vocal about sportsmanship and if so, they should petition FIFA to allow the goal.

          • BRASILEIRO

            This is a football game, not test to enter in Heaven

    • kernel_thai

      It’s a correctable error as it didnt effect the outcome. They should give them the goal.

  • Terry Lash

    So, Rapinoe is more powerful than Coach Ellis, but maybe we knew that already because she was put on the OG squad without playing a competitive game before hand. Who is her protector and why?

    • mockmook

      Her top three protectors:

      1) The media (including the EQ)
      2) The media (including the EQ)
      3) The media (including the EQ)

      Why? My top three guesses:

      1) Identity politics
      2) Love of “drama”
      3) Love to play “hero” and “wise-man”, the only one in the room smart enough to see all the USA’s flaws and bravely go to the microphone to voice them.

      • NYRick

        Rapinoe had no problem “playing the system” to get her place on the tight OG roster of 18 players when not playing 20 minutes of game action for over 9 months. Where was the injustice to S. Mewis or Sonnett? And don’t forget barring the unexpected medal less OG, if they won gold and had a long VT, that is some solid money. She had no problem with “feelings” for other more deserving players then.

        • guest

          megan rapinoe protests when it is in her self-interest. making an empty gesture requires no action or sacrifice. but it does bring national attention and recognition for the rapinoe brand.

      • guest

        be careful. certain websites protect free speech on the soccer field. but they don’t protect free speech on an internet forum if they don’t agree with the opinion.

    • HOFCToDi

      The NWSL player allocation system has wielded too much power for too long to the USWNTPA.

      #PaytoPlay

  • mskillens

    Megan Rapinoe is suspended? Has anybody heard that?

  • DNG

    Based on the statement I’d guess a suspension is coming. I wouldn’t be surprised if Rapinoe was okay with that considering it will draw attention to the protest again.

    • Terry Lash

      Why did Ellis start her for the 2nd half then?

      • kernel_thai

        And that’s the question. Doesnt Ellis look stupid if a suspension follows?

        • mockmook

          She also looks stupid if there isn’t a suspension after they tell Rapinoe what she is doing is unacceptable.

          • kernel_thai

            I see no reason to release that statement except as a precursor to some sort of action. If the USSF wasnt planning to do something They would have waited to respond after the second friendly. Ill be stunned if Rapinoe is with the team in Atlanta

    • Guest

      Fox has just announced that Megan Rapinoe will no longer be allowed to work as a sideline reporter for them anymore. She did some sideline reporting for them earlier in the year while going through rehab.

  • mockmook

    If the game broadcasts all devolve into constant reaction shots of Rapinoe, this is going to get old real quick — many people will stop watching.

    • DNG

      I wouldn’t be surprised if Rapinoe is not at the next game. That doesn’t mean everyone won’t still be talking about it though.

      • guest

        the reason kapernick issue got so much attention is because it was in august before the nfl season started. nothing else to talk about. now that the nfl season has started, people will be talking about the actual games. kapernick is a backup quarterback on a terrible team. not exactly the person the nfl media will be wanting to talk to.

    • Terry Lash

      It’s already old.

    • NYRick

      Thirty something year old player (best years behind her) trying the hardest to get the most attention and stay relevant. Sound familiar on this team?

    • guest

      anybody else get the feeling that alex morgan didn’t seem to happy standing next to megan rapinoe during the national anthem. maybe nobody else wanted to stand next to her and have their picture taken.

    • rat

      write to ESPN with your concerns

  • inside source

    Megan Rapinoe.
    3 months, unless things drastically change.
    Announcement expected in the coming days.

    • Terry Lash

      Let’s hope.

      • Guest

        Could you imagine the backlash us soccer would get

        • guest

          megan rapinoe has no constituional right to protest on private property without the owners consent. but she does have the constitutional right to protest in public locations as much as she wants. and she does have the choice to not follow the rules of an organization and accept the consequences.

    • Take it out of her bonus(:

      A suspension and/or a fine.

  • Evevic

    Rapinae is disgraceful. I would have respect for her and believe in the authenticity of her cause if she actually turned down her USWNT invitation in protest. But this more about another self absorbed wealthy sport celebrity. Imagine she has a friend she doesn’t like invite her to a party. She could choose not to go but instead she chooses to go just to spit in her face. Classless!

    • buttercatz99

      Must be easy to sit on your computer chair in your s-hole and judge a world champions that is actually doing something to make our country better.

      • Evevic

        And your vulgar comment make you grand? She’s making our country better how? Surely you’ve taken the high road!

      • guest

        megan rapinoe is doing nothing. she is making an empty gesture that requires no action or sacrifice. acting only when you get attention and recognition corrupts personal motives. not a quit warrior. it will have no effect on the minority communities. the only thing megan rapinoe has done in the last year is steal a uswnt rio olympic roster spot.

  • shelley

    If you wear the Flag on your Jersey and play for the US NATIONAL TEAM, you should stand for it when you are on the field!

    • buttercatz99

      Words like *should* are convenient for you since you don’t recognize the severity of the problem.

      • mockmook

        It’s terrible what has become of our country in the last 8 years, isn’t it?

        • Tronald Dump (make murica gr8)

          it sure is. we need to ship more jobs to Thailand

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      • shelley

        Not that you know anything about me, but I work with at risk youth in the inner city. In addition to working in countries like Kenya, Uganda, Somalia where there is nott much hope for the oppresses. Here there is hope. We have a lot of work to do but we have people that are actively working to make this country better. What are you doing to make a difference? So yeah I absolute recognize the problem.

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      • guest

        look’s like the megan rapinoe paid public relations trolls are already out in full force to do damage control and protect her image.

        • guest

          yes, you can tell because they all signed up to the site in the last month and have no soccer related opinions.

    • traditional marriage

      When Rapinoe gets suspended from the upcoming announcement you can only imagine the whole L Chat forum women’s soccer gay community will blow up in flames and their server will probably crash.

      • Guest

        Shut up

      • NYRick

        She’ll never get suspended. The USSF is shite scared of her now. She laughed during the first half and smiled the whole match knowing she had the hammer and it is common practice to stand down to SJWS now in the US. It’s sad.

        Hey I’m all for her first amendment rights. But just sit her for the whole match. She said after the match, “this is bigger than sports.” OK, cool, it you really believe that than it’s bigger than you playing a sport too.

      • Karla Fay

        So Hope Solo let her husband drive the team van drunk, and mouth off for years, but Rapinoe will get suspended?

  • mockmook

    “On Wednesday, police fatally shot a 13-year-old boy in Columbus”

    Thank you EQ for adding “context” to this story.

    But, wonder when you are going to add this context:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWDbHNP_1aU

    Blue lives matter, too. Where’s the protest for that?

    • buttercatz99

      Blues have all the power and no accountability. You know it is possible to police and not not kill people. Many police accross the nation do it every day. Blue lives matter is like saying Christians are being persecuted in in America – just ridiculous.

      • mockmook

        How much “power” did the 9 dead police officers in Dallas have?

      • Bluenun

        Are you as passionate about the 93% of black men who kill black men?
        How was he supposed to know it was a BB gun. This is not TV

        • AnotherGuest

          This is a ridiculous argument. Who says that black people don’t disapprove of the gang vionence that leads to those numbers. I bet most of them do have a problem with it. That has much more to do with incredibly lax gun laws and less law enforcement intervention in those gang areas. There have been black people calling for the National guard to intervene in Chicago but it’s a complicated issue. You are deflecting away from the issue of this protest in any case. A single shooting of an unarmed black person is a problem that needs to be fixed. That should never happen.

          • mockmook

            You want more cops? You better talk to your friends in BLM, I don’t think you are on the same wavelength.

            BTW, wouldn’t that lead to more police shootings?

          • AnotherGuest

            I don’t agree with everything BLM have put forth. That doesn’t mean I can’t agree with them on some things. Is your question pertaining to intervention in Chicago?

          • mockmook

            Yes.

          • AnotherGuest

            At some point, hopefully soon, I do think there needs to be more intervention in Chicago. What’s going on can’t be allowed to continue.

          • mockmook

            A single shooting of a police officer is a problem that needs to be fixed. That should never happen.

          • AnotherGuest

            You are purposly obfuscating the issue now. Your statement goes without saying. The people in charge of keeping and upholding the law can’t be the one breaking it. That’s the real issue. Of course there are criminals out there.

          • Bluenun

            I disagree! Its the culture. Nobody deserves to die. But why would a 13 yr old think its ok to point a gun at a cop? Cop could have known it was a BB gun unless he had super powers. Cops are damned if they do or don’t. If the community does not respect each others lives what are cops supposed to do. Cops can not solve social issues. Maybe if all the activists would help kids stay in school,get a education and get good jobs these kids would never be in theses situations. But its always easier to get headlines and protest after the fact then take care of the problems before when no one is watching.

          • AnotherGuest

            Who said it’s okay for a 13 year old to point a weapon at a cop. I was specifically talking about cops shooting unarmed black men. No one is saying cops solve social issues. Your comment about keeping some of these kids in school reeks of ignorance surounding the situations of some of these inner-city childern and the issues they face growing up.

          • mockmook

            So, you want them kept out of school? I’m so confused.

          • AnotherGuest

            Of couse not. I’m saying that no matter how much their parents try and pure their intentions, they may not be able to keep them in school no matter how hard they try.

          • Bluenun

            Don’t tell me about inner city children!!! I live there! The problem is some are born behind the 8 ball. Single moms, in drug and gang invested projects. Nobody looking out for them. No value for life, no respect for anybody! So if these so called activists did something like after school programs , mentoring etc. Education can get employment to get out. People only seem to care when they can get a headline! If you don’t change the culture, nothing will change no matter how many protests you have.

          • AnotherGuest

            What are your solition for keeping the childern is schools then? Is attention to the issue and headlines not preferable to being ignored? How do you educate childern who don’t even show up to school?

          • Bluenun

            Talking, mentoring showing them there is a better way Have all these knelling athletes come to these neighborhoods and show them what hard work can do. Kneeling, violent protesting just turns people off. These athletes and activists have a platform to raise money for schools, special ed programs, sports programs etc. Kneeling is not the answer!

          • AnotherGuest

            Of course kneeling by itself doesn’t solve the issue but it did it’s job in getting people to talk about some of the uglier realities of this country. I’d like nothing more than for Rapinoe and Kaepernick to personally go out and further their causes but why can’t they do that in addition to engaging in civil disobedience. Their protest is not, as some have claimed, un-American.

          • Bluenun

            I feel people shut down when they see kneeling, I don’t see how that helps anybody. People are talking about the act not what they are protesting.

          • NYRick

            That’s a great point. You get disgusted by the act and disrespectfulness of the act itself and the cause (even if it’s just) becomes secondary and ignored.

          • AnotherGuest

            The Media are all talking about the act. Everyone here seems to be discussing the issues.

          • mockmook

            How much closer are we to resolving the issues?

          • sweetjazz3

            I agree with you to an extent. But respectfully, the people who are talking about the act and not what they are protesting are primarily the people who believe (rightly or wrongly) that what Rapinoe and Kaepernick are protesting largely has no merit.

            There are a lot of people — I include myself as one — who are conflicted because we do agree with a lot of their points, but we also have a reverence for our flag and our country. I personally want the issues dealing with unequal treatment in the justice system addressed as an urgent issue, but I am concerned that provocative acts to try to force that conversation upon the public is instead leading to a lot of hatred between Americans that leads people to support values that I consider antithetical to the American values of liberty and individual rights that I cherish.

            To me the paradox of America is that we want to have very broad individual rights, but that requires that we trust that we will still choose to put a high value on unity and concerns for our country as a whole. I see a lot of people — in both partisan directions — who behave as if only some of the people in our country deserve to have their voices heard, and I see far too little dialogue, reconciliation, and efforts to listen to the other points of view. It’s hard. I’m certainly far, far from perfect at it. But it’s worth striving for.

            In my view (which I admit could be wrong, but is the best conclusion I’ve been able to come to based on my experiences), the single biggest problem we have in America is that we spend so much fighting each other and complaining that we want more for ourselves and our favored groups that we don’t have much time left to make our country better for everyone and to find workable compromises that make a good faith effort to accommodate people’s different desires and priorities in as fair and equitable manner as we can come up with. We ALL have to sacrifice some for that. But that’s the path to a country we can be all be happier with and prouder of. Too many of us — on all sides of the political spectrum — believe in creating the America that we personally want, and that erodes the trust necessary to sustain the American ideals of liberty and justice for all.

          • mockmook

            “in addition to engaging in civil disobedience”

            They aren’t doing that.

            They are protesting on someone else’s dime and time (their employers’).

          • AnotherGuest

            I never said their employers didn’t have the right to take action. They absolutely do. And yeah I wish they would back up their protests and do more.

          • guest

            megan rapinoe does not have a constitutional right to protest on private property without the owners consent. however she is free to protest in public locations as much as she wants.

          • AnotherGuest

            Also I though the protest primarily was about the shooting of unarmed back men by police officers. Not the gang violence in Chicago which is a completely different issue but no less important.

          • mockmook

            “shooting of unarmed black men by police officers.”

            Happens no more frequently (when you adjust for the amount of crime in an area) than whites being shot by police.

          • Guest

            Children are born in drug ridden families and attend the poorest schools in America – and they are expected to be perfect and the slightest deviance results in a permanent hinderance on their life, which just results in the cycle continuing

            Instead of waiting for the opportunity to pounce on these disadvantaged children, why not offer help instead of jail time in order to break the cycle?

          • AnotherGuest

            The prision system in this country does not focus enough on rehabilitation. It’s all about punishment which causes the repeat offenders percentage to be ridiculously high.

          • guest

            just because a person is unarmed doesn’t mean they aren’t dangerous or a threat to public safety. generalizing can be just as dangerous as a gun.

      • guest

        is it possible for american citizens to live and not kill police officers? you do realize there is a judicial branch of american government which applies laws to individual cases?

  • buttercatz99

    Good for her. It’s possible to both police and deescalate w/out killing black people.

    • guest

      is it possible for american people to stop killing police officers?

  • ContemplativeThinker

    It’s funny – both Rapinoe and HAO have been my favorite players on the USWNT – for their “Pete Rose” on field attitudes and that they both have contributed way more than they’ve been given credit for. After tonight – I hope it was the last game for both of them. Crystal Dunn has that some attitude and skill – she can be my new player-to-cheer-for. This is NOT the 49ers. This is the US National Team. You wear the flag on your chest. You play for OUR country and represent us.

    • Lisa

      She was representing us, just apparently not your ‘us’.

      • mockmook

        Also, not apparently US Soccer’s ‘us’.

      • ContemplativeThinker

        She wears a uniform with a US Flag on it. If she can’t stand for that flag, she does NOT belong on a NATIONAL team. She can go play for whatever private club she wants – hopefully in France….and I say this about the woman who was easily my favorite player over the past 10 years….

      • Lorrie Fair

        Not standing for the national anthem is like ripping the American crest right off her jersey.

        She’s playing for “her” and her selfish beliefs in what her America should be, and not for the collective unselfish togetherness for the American flag which is what everyone else is playing for.

        • Lisa

          Her selfish beliefs that America should not condone the murder of innocents? Christ on a stick. No chance at reason in this echo chamber.

          • mockmook

            “No chance at reason in this echo chamber.”

            You certainly have accurately described your comment.

          • Bluenun

            Innocent!!! LMAO

          • guest

            the us is a nation of laws. the judicial branch of government applies laws to individual cases. not people on the street who make up their mind before a court case is brought or jury decision is reached.

            ferguson- not guilty
            staten island- not guilty
            baltimore- not guilty

        • mockmook

          Lorrie Fair

          I want to believe it is really you, but the Borg like unanimity of our soccer “betters” on this issue make me doubt it.

          So, if you are the genuine article, please write an oped somewhere taking Rapinoe to task.

      • ContemplativeThinker

        Rapinoe was representing herself, not OUR country. She was also stealing the limelight on a night that belonged to HAO – we should be talking about the amazing career that HAO had and not about Rapinoe’s disrespect for the uniform she wears. I’ve lost all respect for Rapinoe as a national team player. Hopefully USSF will follow through on their statement (below) with an appropriate response tomorrow:

        “Representing your country is a privilege and honor for any player or
        coach that is associated with U.S. Soccer’s National Teams. Therefore,
        our national anthem has particular significance for U.S. Soccer. In
        front of national and often global audiences, the playing of our
        national anthem is an opportunity for our Men’s and Women’s National
        Team players and coaches to reflect upon the liberties and freedom we
        all appreciate in this country.

        “As part of the privilege to represent your country, we have an
        expectation that our players and coaches will stand and honor our flag
        while the National Anthem is played.”

        • USMNTfan4life

          Well said.

        • sweetjazz3

          But “OUR” country has a lot of different views of her actions. Yours is not the only view, though it is an important view that needs to be considered.

          Some are praising her for her actions. Others, such as myself, disagree with her action, but are very proud to live in a country where she has the freedom (from government interference) to take that action. I also acknowledge that US Soccer has the right to discipline her, though I would prefer they not do so. Many, including you, believe that her actions are disgraceful and should not be tolerated.

          The thing is, though, it’s a subjective call and there’s no single right answer. To me, kneeling is okay, but flipping the bird or sticking her tongue would be totally out of bounds. To you, kneeling is also out of bounds.

          I suspect US Soccer will side with your point of view, and their statement already suggests that, though it’s not clear whether they will back the words up with action and what action that would be.

          I know my view is in the minority. As NYRick pointed out, if the athlete was kneeling in protest of gay marriage, many opposing the anthem protest would support that athlete and many supporting the anthem protest would oppose the athlete protesting gay marriage. Some would oppose both. I personally would support the right of both protests and think that promoting a culture that promotes individual freedoms leads to a better society than one that promotes requiring people to follow nationalistic traditions. But I am very aware that my view is, unfortunately (to me), a minority one in America.

          • ContemplativeThinker

            The uniform represents the country. Do what you want with your private team and let them set the consequences. If you CHOOSE to put on the NATIONAL TEAM UNIFORM that contains a representation of the FLAG on it, you STAND to honor the country that YOU CHOOSE to represent.

          • sweetjazz3

            I and many others would argue that speaking out against injustice does represent the United States. (It does not represent countries like Russia and China where such dissent is forbidden.)

            I don’t agree with her decision, but I see some distinctly American values in what she is doing.

          • ContemplativeThinker

            There is a time and place for everything. When you put on the US Kit, you represent the US. It’s pretty simple – if you can’t show respect for your nation’s flag while representing your nation as a member of a national team, then don’t be there. There are many other places for her to show her dissent….and what do you think would happen if she sat during the Thai national anthem in protest over their degradation of women? Is she going to sit if the US plays an Arab nation where being LGBT can bring a death sentence? I’m sorry – do what you want in your free time. When you represent a country in an international arena, you have obligations and standing during the national anthem is one of them.

          • sweetjazz3

            At the end of the day, it’s up to US Soccer, not you or I, to decide whether it was the time or place.

          • ContemplativeThinker

            US Soccer barely waited for the game to end to express their displeasure with her actions. I’m sure we won’t have to wait long to find out if she’s given a warning to never do it again, suspended for an amount of time, or outright cut from the team. Based on their statement, they will clearly not allow her egregious behavior to continue.

          • sweetjazz3

            I agree. I doubt she’ll be cut outright, but a stern warning or a suspension both seem in play.

          • mockmook

            It is VERY unclear if the USSF has the guts to put a stop to her protests.

          • guest

            fans pay to watch the actual sports games. not to watch a bunch of athletes personal protests on a platform that is not theirs.. megan rapinoe has no constituional right to protest
            on private property without the owners consent. the right to free speech is not unlimited. but she does have the right to protest on public locations as much as she wants. just like it has been done for the last 200 years in the us.

          • sweetjazz3

            I agree that teams have a right to discipline players for these protests, and US Soccer in particular has a right to discipline Rapinoe in this instance. Absolutely zero disagreement with you there.

            I’d prefer they not do so, but they certainly have the right to do so and likely will do so in response to the complaints you and others are making.

          • guest

            it’s not just about this paticular protest. it’s about possible new protests in the future which could be even more agressive and inflammatory.

          • sweetjazz3

            They have the option of allowing this protest but not allowing more inflammatory forms of protests. It might not be the best option, but it is an option.

          • rat

            But NYRick was spouting nonsense. That whole damn team and the coaches are gay af so that’s just fanfiction in his imagination. It’s a ridiculous false equivalence. Bunch of alt-right neo-nazis up in here for some reason, who seem to be so delusional to think even one of the USWNT players would agree with their hateful crap.

          • mockmook

            “That whole damn team and the coaches are gay af ”

            And, you accuse us of fiction. Whatever, bigot.

          • rat

            “us”, alt-right neo-nazis?

          • sweetjazz3

            Come on, throwing out incendiary labels of alt-right and neo-nazi on people like NYRick is ridiculous and uncalled for. There are a lot of people who are very upset about the anthem protest, and they are not all alt-right or neo-nazi. It’s possible to disagree with someone without labeling them as scum.

  • Bluenun

    If Rapinoe is not proud to represent her country why is she and why are we paying her! USSF looks like a bunch of idiots. Firing Solo, but employing someone who do not respect her country!
    All kneeling is doing is creating more hate. She is alienating a large portion of the US.

    If she was serious about the issues, she should lead by example. Declined her call-up, give her paycheck to charity. Volunteer at LGBT centers, homeless centers. Help create after school programs so parents can work. Be a big sister. Mentor kids to stay in school. Have seminars to talk about the discrimination . Raise money for poor families to get on their feet. My point is there are better ways to bring exposure to the issues, kneeling doesn’t it brings her popularity to sell her name brand merchandise and her soccer camps. I don’t see her having FREE soccer camps in the inner city. If USSF fired Solo they what is the punishment for disrespecting the crest! Can you imagine is someone from Thailand, China, Mexico, Brazil etc did that to their National Anthem

    • rat

      yeah you just hate it don’t you

      • Bluenun

        Not at all! Really has no effect on my life. Just thought I would just throw out some constructive ideas. She nows nothing about being, black, being , poor etc. She is a opportunists , selling her name brand merchandise, selling out her soccer camps. Kapernicks jersey sales are the highest selling. So right, they care about discrimination. Really what have they done to better relations, NOTHING. But at least their cashing in!!!

  • NYRick

    Generation Snowflake 1
    USA 0

    Less than zero respect for Ellis playing Rapinoe for even a minute this match.

  • Paul Klee

    Attention whore — look at me, can’t even wear the substitute bib.

  • Joe Jay Simpson

    Somehow Rapinoe gets church pew and national anthem mixed up.
    Does she stand when all the other people kneel at church?

  • NYRick

    Trigger warnings, safe spaces, and self-victimization. When does it ever end? Maybe Trump is right. It is a movement. To finally stop this nonsense now. Unfortunately, it’s far too late. The country is too far gone. Rapinoe is the hero and SJW warrior to the real axis of evil plaguing the US:

    1) Academia
    2) MSM
    3) Hollywood

    Also ask yourselves if you watched this game tonight how much time was spent before and during the game talking about freakin Rapinoe?? It was disgusting. And sorry, it did take away from one of the most prideful and greatest players to ever wear the US shield in any sport, man or woman, New Jersey’s own #9.

    • sweetjazz3

      With all due respect, requiring Rapinoe to stand for the anthem is essentially calling for a safe space for you and the many others like you who feel offended by her action.

      I respect your taking offense and your right to criticize Rapinoe as much as possible. But I think you should be intellectually honest and acknowledge that if you want to force players to stand for the national anthem, then you’re asking that a safe space be created for you so that you are not offended by someone else protesting.

      Personally, I choose to hold my hand on my heart and look at the flag in appreciation of what the United States has to offer and in commitment to try to make it a more perfect union. I’d never know if someone else sat or kneeled for the anthem because I am watching the flag. You can choose to be offended if you wish — that’s your right — but the greatness of America is that we have so many individual rights. The right not to be offended, however, is not a right that we have or should ever want.

      • NYRick

        The only thing I’m offended by is her hypocrisy.

        • Guest

          If she didn’t kneel I would have called her a fraud. I felt that way when she stood in the last nwsl game. I support her otherwise.

      • kernel_thai

        What is generally lost in this argument is that for some reason the fact that she is protesting her government is the key issue in the debate. Let me alter the playing field a bit. U own a store and one of ur sales clerks comes to work wearing a t-shirt that says Abortion is Murder. Now whether u support that cause or not, as the employer do u feel u have the right to protect ur business from the polarizing effects of such a protest or do u feel u have to stand by and suffer any possible financial repercussions so that ur paid employee can enjoy freedom of expression during working hours?

        • sweetjazz3

          That’s a good point. Certainly a private business has a right to expect employees to behave appropriately, which includes not doing something provocative that can potentially drive away many customers.

          To me, a key difference is that in your example, the business can be materially harmed in a dramatic way, while US Soccer as a government entity doesn’t have the same threat to the livelihood of others. I guess that makes me less sympathetic to them, though I’m not 100% sure it should. (There are other reasons I am not particularly sympathetic to US Soccer, related to past actions they have taken.)

          But it’s one of those things where it’s hard to set definitive rules. If someone wears a ribbon around their wrist or something similarly discrete to support breast cancer awareness, gay rights, or recognition of persecution of Christians worldwide, I think they should be allowed to. I guess I feel that an employer should be allowed to ban such measures if they choose, but I would hope that the vast majority of employers wouldn’t even consider doing so.

          For what it’s worth, I think US Soccer does and should have the right to penalize Rapinoe for taking a knee during the anthem. I am hoping (though not expecting) that they will choose not to exercise that right and instead stand up for individual right to expression, especially since I consider Rapinoe’s form of protest to be rather respectful. (Clearly many other people do not agree with that characterization.)

          • mockmook

            US Soccer is NOT a government entity.

            It is a business (just like in kernal’s hypothetical).

          • kernel_thai

            While the protest is respectful and thankfully brief it is also plainly raising emotions on both sides of the issue. USSF is a not for profit but the money that supports the woman’s programs comes mostly from ticket sales. While they r not risking profits based on public opinion from the Rapinoe protest, it is fair to say if they lose fan support from this it shows up in fewer tickets and less merchandise sold. If the financials suffer the programs will suffer with them.

          • sweetjazz3

            Yeah, I get that. I personally think that the public itself is largely to blame for these protests becoming as big a story as they are. But I’m also a bit hypocritical, because I’m certainly fascinated by the story, albeit not particularly emotionally invested it.

            Money does matter. It improves the livelihood of the staff and other personnel of US Soccer. It improves the opportunities for current and future players. I also think that having the right to speak out about social issues is also important. In some sense, issues of justice and equality in our criminal justice system are much more important than any game of soccer can ever be. And yet, it is not realistic in any way that society should have to solve every pressing issue before it can enjoy any entertainment.

            I honestly don’t know what the right call is. I’d really like to see our culture move toward calming down and letting athletes carry out small, reasonably respectful protests without freaking out. From my perspective, I find it kind of ridiculous that people cannot enjoy a soccer game because one person did something you don’t agree with. And yet, I also have to understand that many people DO feel that way, and they are not to be dismissed simply because I am not affected the same way they are by the protest. Especially, because their decisions with their wallets will have a big impact on other people’s well-being. (But then again, if they spend money on things other than women’s soccer, their new spending will lead to still others benefitting It’s too complex for me to figure out!)

          • guest

            it’s not just about this protest. it’s also about the next protest. you can’t pick and choose which protests are tolerable.

          • sweetjazz3

            I do agree that it is very tricky dealing with all the possible protests that could emerge if you have blanket allowance of dissent. On the other hand, smaller acts of activism often occur, from wearing wristbands promoting breast cancer research to putting numbers of players on shoes. You can’t ban all forms of protest either. Are we going to start discipline players if they frown for a portion of the anthem?

            But I do agree you have to be careful how far things are allowed to go, and US Soccer may decide Rapinoe’s actions have gone too far.

          • FlyingSquirrel42

            Employers – with the obvious exception of activist organizations, political parties, etc. – shouldn’t be politicizing the work environment in the first place by requiring the playing of the national anthem or anything else that potentially carries political implications. While I’m more sympathetic to the use of the anthem at international matches, I’d still argue that I don’t really see the point of it at domestic club matches.

            If, say, a grocery store owner decided to use the store to host a fundraiser for a political candidate during work hours and expected all the employees to help, I’d completely understand if the employees who don’t support that candidate were upset and chose to protest in some way.

          • sweetjazz3

            I believe the constant playing of the national anthem at every sporting event lessens and trivializes the anthem into a jingoistic ritual instead of maintaining what I believe should be a greater reverence for the anthem and the meaning it should have for our nation.

            I also recognize what you are saying about the political implications. I remember in 2003 how people who opposed going to war in Iraq were branded as unpatriotic, when in hindsight those people were sounding an alarm that could have saved a lot of American soldiers’ lives and been better for the country as a whole. (Full disclosure: I did not oppose the war in 2003 and believed that the government must have had more specific intelligence about WMDs that they wanted to keep from public view for strategic reasons. In hindsight, that was very naive and foolish of me, and I regret my inaction in hindsight.)

            But for better or worse, the anthem is considered to be a non-political act. And it absolutely should be that. Obviously, people with positions on both sides of the political spectrum sometimes like to use the anthem as a political weapon. And we often lose sight that extreme nationalism is a political view, and as we see in hindsight from 2003, often one that should be challenged more vigorously than what actually happens.

            So I do see where you’re coming from. But at the end of the day, playing the national anthem is not viewed as a political act in the same way as supporting a particular politician is. And in many circumstances, the anthem is *not* political. It’s simply a way for the country to express some sense of shared values and unity. But when contested issues (such as going to war) or contested elections are on the public’s mind, then the anthem often becomes a political tool for people on both sides of the political spectrum.

          • mockmook

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyLmru6no4U

            BTW, Obama has now amassed as much debt as all other previous Presidents combined (including the “evil” Bush).

          • sweetjazz3

            Yeah, this is where ‘unpatriotic’ arguments head. Normal political disagreements because tests of peoples’ patriotism. That’s bad for our country. As a country, we got better about this from 2004 to 2008 to 2012, but I’d say our progress appears to have stalled or even reversed a bit in that regard.

          • mockmook

            No equivalence.

            Every player knows when the sign on with the team that they will go through these rituals and are expected to do it respectfully.

            If it bothers them, they don’t have to take the gig.

          • guest

            us soccer is not a government entity. they are self-funded.

    • AnotherGuest

      I’m curious to know if anyone who watched this game at home stood for the national anthem in their living room. I don’t understand why kneeling during the national anthem has some how come to mean that someone is disrespecting the flag or doesn’t love their country enough.

      • NYRick

        Come on, it’s a public thing. You know that. And it is very much disrespecting the flag. I’m just of the belief that too many Americans (every race, creed and color) have fought tyranny and oppression all over the world and died for that flag. The US is by no means a perfect country, but their record in helping to fight oppression worldwide and come to the aid of countless nations is unmatched and really not even close in modern history.

        • AnotherGuest

          It hasn’t always been a public thing though. People didn’t used to stand for the national anthem at baseball games. The military have their own laws and rules about saluting the flag but those are not things the general public as to emulate. The flag is a symbol for every person in this country and it means different things to different people. I just don’t see how not standing to salute the flag equates to disrespecting this country.

          • sweetjazz3

            I agree with your perspective, but I think it’s important to try to understand why so many people see otherwise. I don’t want to try to speak for Rick, but let me try to interpret what I see from people in general who feel very strongly against the protests.

            For many Americans, myself included, having pride in America is important to them. Tradition is one way we express that pride. Tradition also involves setting cultural norms. Culture is changing very, very quickly, relative to historical norms. This bothers some people more than others. All people have a need for a certain sense of equilibrium and constancy, but not all of us have the same sense. There has always been a battle between people who are more concerned about making progress versus those who are concerned about conserving what we already have (progressives vs conservatives in the literal sense of the terms). The flag is one of our oldest symbols and one of our most powerful. We create a lot of myths and identities around it. Much of the service culture in our country, especially in the military and law enforcement arenas, sees service as a key form of patriotism. Kneeling for the anthem, I imagine, feels viscerally like someone spitting on your notion of service and love of country. I don’t feel that way, but I sense that many do. For me, the myth of the flag also includes the notion of the right for individual expression and giving voice to those who call on America to be better. I think I fall more on the progressive side of the psychological spectrum than the conservative side, though not (I hope) to a complete extreme, as I personally think both perspectives are valuable and it is context-dependent which approach is better in a given situation. In some ways, I beam with pride that an American can protest our own flag and not be persecuted by the government. I dream that we would reach a point that our culture would also not persecute them, though I acknowledge that is unlikely to happen and I do NOT want to see it happen by coercing others. I am proud that Americans can voice their displeasure with the protestors too.

            The flag means so much, and what it means to each person is different. I can’t make the flag mean the same thing that it does to others, but I can try to understand what it means to them better and choose to make an effort to find ways to be respectful of that. That applies to both protestors and people criticizing the protestors.

        • sweetjazz3

          Rick, I agree with your characterization in the final sentence. Perhaps our fundamental disagreement is that I interpret what Americans have sacrificed for in the past is more than just a flag, but also the ideals that underly it, including the unprecedented amount of liberty and freedom that individuals have in our country.

          The reason I object to saying that our soldiers died for the flag is that every soldier fights for a flag. But I think what makes the sacrifice of American soldiers more worthwhile than that of soldiers from other countries is the ideals and values that our flag represents.

          I think your defense of the flag comes from a good place. And it is because so many people find the kneeling during the anthem to be disrespectful to the flag and to our nation that I don’t agree with Rapinoe’s approach. But I do think it would be great if you could see why other people feel a great sense of pride in her ability to act the way she is, because she’d be in a lot more serious trouble in a lot of other countries that are much less free than we are. It is possible to do that and still remain strongly opposed to what she did.

      • FlyingSquirrel42

        EDIT: Never mind.

  • NYRick

    Love what John Tortarella is doing with the US World Hockey team. He simply has publicly stated that it is any player’s first amendment right to refuse to stand and just sit during the anthem. However, he lets them know up front that they will be sitting the entire game as well. That includes everyone, even the big stars.

    • AnotherGuest

      That’s a team full of white players. Anyone who thinks he would have sat the whole team if they were all back and kneeled during the national anthem is fooling themselves. He put out a statement he knew he wouldn’t have to enforce.

      • NYRick

        I watched that guy coach the Rangers for 5 years. He is one tough no-nonsense mother. His way or the highway. If he had too, he would forfeit a game on principle if the whole team refused to stand. Guaranteed. And he would have been fully backed by the country and his US hockey federation for doing so.

        • AnotherGuest

          I’m calling BS that the US would allow him to forfit a game or more of the upcoming WC of Hockey.

          • NYRick

            For one, hockey players are a completely different breed. And for your info, there are plenty of black hockey players in the NHL too. But if one or two decided to do that they would not have made it out of the lockerroom. And if they did pull it off they would not have come out to the ice for the second period. Anyone who watches the NHL knows that.

          • AnotherGuest

            The NHL is only 5% black so your assertion to there being plenty is false. How many black players play for team USA? The only one I can think of is Byfuglien. The threat doesn’t carry any weight with me somce he knows his team won’t kneel.

          • NYRick

            Why? Rapinoe is white unless I’m missing something. She refused to stand. Maybe there was a white hockey player who would do the same. But Torts just made it clear that he was fine with that, but you will sit for the game too.

          • AnotherGuest

            Rapinoe knelt because of the way she felt at a gay women. I’ imagine there are even less of those than black people in the NHL.

          • NYRick

            Your missing the point. The US hockey coach doesn’t care if you are protesting the prices at your local Burger King. Just don’t do it as a US player during the national anthem, then you are sitting on my team. And also when did this become about being a gay woman? Wasn’t she originally supporting CK with his cause? Why wasn’t she offended about being a gay women before this for the US team?

          • AnotherGuest

            No you are missing mine. Tortarella made a statement in an effort to sound tough knowing in advance he wouldn’t have to make a tough decision. If he was the coach of a predominantly black football or basketball team and followed through with his threat it would be respectable. In his situation his threat is almost totally empty.

          • NYRick

            OK I see your point. But Torts would have carried through with the threat if say even as many as 5 protested on his all white team. But you’re right, it is different circumstances with an all-black team. I would be curious in how Coach K would have handled this with the US basketball team. He would have been forced to let them protest. But if I were he (don’t forget he is a West Point graduate too), he probably has strong feelings on it and would most likely have resigned in my opinion. But who knows?

  • sweetjazz3

    I support Rapinoe’s cause, but don’t agree with her choice for how to protest. However, what I love about my country is that players and other citizens have the freedom to express themselves in the way they see fit. No way a player on the Chinese or Russian national team can do that. Maybe US Soccer will bend to public pressure, but I, perhaps naively, think my country is capable of better than that. I’d like to think America is strong enough that the people who feel offended by the protest can exercise their right to ignore it or criticize it or exercise any of the other many freedoms they enjoy because they too are Americans with the rights we are all blessed with.

    • Bluenun

      See nobody is talking about the why just the act. And that is why kneeling will never work to save anything!

      • sweetjazz3

        I agree that the act touches too many nerves and is not likely to be as effective as the protestors want it to be. I respect that the flag means a lot to many other people — it means a lot to me too. But I’m disappointed that we appear as a nation not to be culturally mature enough to allow someone to protest in about as respectful way as I can think of. Part of what the flag means to me is the individual rights that we Americans have that are not common elsewhere. I don’t ever want to lose them, and I’d rather have Rapinoe doing something I disagree with than have US Soccer create a “safe space” for people who are offended by her action.

        • mockmook

          She can protest anywhere she wants to. But there is no reason for USSF to pay her to do it — it’s not their cause.

          And, I as a viewer, don’t want to see it — not because I can’t take it, it’s because I don’t watch soccer games for my political “education” — I only want some enjoyable entertainment.

          • sweetjazz3

            And I 100% support your right to object to her action and to call for US Soccer to take action against her.

            Personally, I am capable of enjoying entertainment even when things happen that I don’t agree with. In fact, I find the cultural messages in many advertisements disagreeable and would prefer not to see them. I choose not to let that ruin my enjoyment of sport. (In fairness, they certainly don’t trigger my emotions as much as protesting the anthem does to many.)

            But maybe Rapinoe’s kneeling for the anthem prevents you from enjoying the game and, if that’s the case, that’s unfortunate, but it’s certainly your right to express this to US Soccer and expect them to take action to allow you to enjoy the game or risk losing your support.

          • mockmook

            I could probably stomach the Pinoe protests in a vacuum, but the media beating me over the head with it throughout the game DOES ruin the game experience for me.

            And, part of what bothers me about the Pinoe protest is we know it wouldn’t be tolerated if her cause was something non-PC (say, anti-abortion).

            This isn’t a lone citizen taking up a cause — this is an employee of USSF making her cause into their cause. No “normal” business would tolerate that.

          • rat

            so much fanfiction

          • Bluenun

            Her rights bla, bla, bla. Still nobody is talking about the ISSUES! So really all she has done is created more division and took away from HAO’s night!

          • sweetjazz3

            Didn’t take away from HAO’s night for me. In fact, I didn’t spend any time during the game worrying about the anthem. If you chose to, that’s your right, but frankly, I think that is probably a poor use of your time and mental energy.

          • Bluenun

            How does kneeling help with the issues. What has it done! it has divided people and drawn the line in the sand deeper! You have to reach out to people not disrespect them.
            You don’t go to another country and disrespect their customs that will not bring them to the table to discuss and try to bring about change!

          • rat

            So protesting racism divides people and draws the line in the sand deeper? What’s this about disrespecting customs? The custom of killing black people? And we shouldn’t call you on it because you’ll just get mad and leave the table?

          • mockmook

            There is almost zero evidence that any of these high profile shootings had anything to do with racism.

          • Bluenun

            How does it help ? It turns people off and they don’t want to hear it!
            You make me laugh with “the custom of killing black people.”
            Here are some facts:
            1) 1% of blacks are shot by police
            2) LESS than 1% are killed by police

            3) 93% OF BLACK MEN ARE KILLED BY BLACK MEN!!!!!!!

            How about stop blaming everybody else for their problems!
            Biggest problem is black on black crime is accepted behavior! How trying to figure out why 93% of black men are killed by black men! Figure out why more than 75% of black teens never graduate HS. Why unemployment and welfare rates for blacks are at a all time high! 72% of black women under the age of 28 are single moms! Why?????

            How about trying to help these kids stay in school, get jobs and show them there is a better way of life with hard work! Then maybe they won’t get arrested.

            But no, its easier to blame everybody else, get headlines, protest and get this , destroy and burn down the neighborhood they live in. Productive.

            They are accomplishing nothing by kneeling! It is not helping inner city kids lives in any way!

            Oh but Kapernick jersey is selling out! Rapinoe is selling her name brand clothing and her soccer camps are full. They are making lots of money as inner city kids go hungry, don’t go to school. Don’t have parents. Drug dealers and gang rule three neighborhoods.

            So keep on kneeling while nothing changes!!!!!!!!!

          • Bluenun

            Oh and did I mention Chicago!

          • rat

            Right. So you’re saying don’t stand up racists because it will just make them mad; it turns them off and no one wants to hear it. Well everyone on this board knows YOU don’t want to hear it, so I guess it sucks to be you. But by all means continue to hijack the conversation with your anti-black racist rhetoric.

          • mockmook

            “But by all means continue to hijack the conversation with your anti-black racist rhetoric.”

            Typical leftist, calls everyone who disagrees with him a racist.

          • Bluenun

            Maybe you should read that again slowly!!!!!!! Just sweep black on black crime under the rug! Just keep on killing each other! 93% sick! I know the TRUTH hurts . Just kept on killing each other! Doesn’t happen in any other culture , asians, latinos, mexician, columbians whites, Irish, Italian etc. But keep on destroying your neighborhoods and killing each other. Soon no one will care!!!!!

          • AnotherGuest

            Your view and opinion here is completely fair.

          • Tania

            Then fast forward through the anthem.

        • Tania

          Again, well said.

          These protests would be more effective if there were concrete actions to address the issues occurring simultaneously. I can’t deny that. Kaepernick, for example, damaged his credibility when he failed to show up for a speaking engagement. I’d like to see Rapinoe create some kind of action plan. She needs to find a group to partner with, too. She needs some formal training on the issues. I’m not American so I’m not sure who to suggest. My gut, in following the media, says that Black Lives Matter is a group that is too radical for the purposes I’m envisioning. Maybe the NAACP? I don’t know any other US anti-racism organizations.

          • sweetjazz3

            Part of what is tough is that Kaepernick and Rapinoe are working full-time in their sport. Yes, it’s a job that does have some downtime, but not a whole lot of downtime in season, which they both are.

            I also think a lot of the productive actions have been quiet conversations between activists and police departments behind the scenes, which eventually lead to actionable plans that departments can implement. Since policing is a local matter, this progress has to be repeated over and over again. But at least when you talk out of the public eye, you can negotiate and come to a common understanding without being sabotaged by extremists on either side who scream bloody hell when they don’t get enough of what they want and try to railroad the process, leading to the status quo being prolonged further.

          • Tania

            Completely agree. And it’s not just police departments directly, either. Rapinoe is someone who can talk to the Chamber of Commerce, to Rotary groups, etc, etc and get them to see it as an issue that impacts them & that they have a stake in improving. Then THEY put the pressure on police, too. I’ve seen it happen where I live.

    • Guest until they throw me out

      “No way a player on the Chinese or Russian national team can do that.”

      You’re right but any player in New Zealand, Australia, Germany, Sweden, Norway, Iceland, Switzerland, Ireland, Denmark, or any one of a number of other countries could.

      And not only that, but their protest would promote nationwide discussion on the issues at hand at the same time. So why is it America can only see any slight against the anthem or flag as high treason? And why is fervent patriotism supposed to make America great?

      Of all of the things that make America a good place to live – excluding people who are seen as ‘others’, and not being able to openly debate and discuss disagreements are not high on the list. Yet here they are.

      • sweetjazz3

        Our culture is not in the same place as our laws. Legally, free speech is protected to an amazing degree in the United States. Culturally, it is not. But culture falls under the umbrella of freedom. We have to work to foster a more tolerant attitude and help people avoid getting so offended and worked up by protests. Imo, that is a hard, slow, and often thankless process that requires a lot of respectful dialogue and a willingness to listen to and take seriously the concerns of others, including those who are fervently patriotic.

        • Tania

          As someone who supports both the cause & the method, that is well said.

  • dt

    If Rapinoe is serious about the protest, she would have refused to play. That is a bigger statement than these kneeling down.

    • NYRick

      That takes too much courage for that.

      • dt

        Pretty much. If you really believe in protesting something, you would give up your job over it. That goes not just for her, but every NFL athlete that is doing this.

        • NYRick

          CK got his 114 mil contract signed last year (65 mil guaranteed). He knows he has the niners by the short ones. If this was last year (before his big payday), no way he pulls this crap. You can take that to the bank. That’s why he is a complete fraud. And if you hear an interview with him, he is completely clueless on the cause and uneducated to the issues as well.

          • Steglitz49

            That is a lot of money. Zlatan earns $13 mil a year allegedly. That is 5 years to get to $65m and 8-9 years for $114m.

            Granted, Zlatan is not the highest paid soccer player — that is CR7 — but he is still one of the biggest names in the sport.

    • traditional marriage

      she has already been a hypocrite and a flip flopper by kneeling for some games while standing for others. which is it going to be blonde tranny?

      • mockmook

        I think we have a moby in our midst.

    • Guest

      Why though? Refusing to play would be the correct action if she was protesting US Soccer. How does not playing in a game do anything to signify the cause?

      • dt

        And how is kneeling signifying the cause? She is not sacrificing her paycheck over the issue is she? If you’re working for a company that represents something you don’t believe in, will you still continue working for them? If you care about the issue, you quit. If you care about the money more, you’re staying.

        • AnotherGuest

          This really isn’t about sacrifice but bringing attention to an important issue. If she were to sacrifice something I’d rather it be her time in an effort to further he cause.

        • Guest

          She is not protesting her company. She is not kneeling because US Soccer is racist. She is kneeling during the national anthem to bring attention to the racism in the country as a whole with regards to the policing system. It is not against the people she is working for.

          • NYRick

            She didn’t seem to mind the ticker tape parade in NYC last year, mind you, monitored by scores of NYC cops. Then she was pretty good with the justices of the country as she basked in the glow of cheering thongs waving American flags. What a farce she is. What she is doing is called selective politics to suit her agenda of the day.

          • Guest

            Not saying I agree with her (or disagree), just wanted to clear up that she isn’t protesting US Soccer

          • Excuses..Excuses

            I’m curious as to how many times in the past she has addressed the issue of racism. What did Megs have to say about Sandra Bland, for instance? Hmmm. I’m not white and I’m not buying this act at all…No ma’am.

          • FlyingSquirrel42

            I wasn’t aware that being against police violence required one to hate cops. I’m going to have to seriously rethink a lot of my life now. I thought I loved dogs, but a dog did bite me a few years ago, so I guess I’d better not ever look at a dog or pet one again or I’ll be a hypocrite on the issue of getting bitten by dogs.

          • kernel_thai

            Well she’s not representing her company either. This isnt the USSF vs FA of T it’s US vs Thailand. It’s a valid point that if Rapinoe wanted to make a stronger protest she could refuse to represent a country whose racial policies she disagrees with.

          • Paul Klee

            So if you go out on your lunch break every day, stand in front of your company’s flag pole and render a 3 minute one-finger salute protesting your cause however just, you would expect no consequences at your job?

          • Tellmeagain howhasthishelped

            Good thing she knelt cuz otherwise we wouldn’t know racism is an issue. Thanks for brining it to our attention, Pinoe. What a hero [insert eye roll]

    • HOFCToDi

      If Rapinoe is serious about a protest, Rapinoe should have stayed home and picketed in front of city hall.

    • guest

      if megan rapinoe did that then she wouldn’t get any attention and recognition for her act. then she would have to go into dangerous places like the south side of chicago herself instead of just talking about it. instead of letting nameless others do the real work and get no credit for it.

    • sweetjazz3

      If she were really serious about it, she’d have fixed race relations in America, ended world poverty and brought about peace on earth. Since she hasn’t, she’s obviously a total hypocrite.

  • NYRick

    Just curious. If say one US player was perhaps a devout Christian and had a personal and religious problem with gay marriage…and decided to kneel during the anthem as a protest for social justice and reform. What do you think the reaction would have been? What would little old Megan have done?

    You see, right or wrong, whatever your cause, you just have to be respectful of anyone’s beliefs. And you most certainly can’t play for your national team and disrespect the flag you play for when every other player on the team is holding the hand to heart standing and singing the words to the anthem.

    • Bluenun

      WOW, perfectly said!

    • USMNTfan4life

      There is a double-standard. Even though I am not a devout born-again Christian, if a player wanted to kneel and pray during the anthem, and they did not cause a scene or was for some cause, I am down with that.

      The SJWs do scare alot of people. When you represent your country, you are “representing” both the very good, and the very bad. So, I thought this was in poor taste, but no one is going to punish Megan. US Soccer is full of passive males.

      Oh well.

    • FlyingSquirrel42

      I’d say let them do it. I’d also refrain from calling anybody who disagreed with me “little old” something-or-other.

      The connection would be a little strained – gay marriage is about who does or does not have permission to obtain a marriage license from the state, while police violence is about disproportionate exercise of state power. But free speech is free speech and it shouldn’t be restricted in a workplace setting unless you’re breaking an established rule. I’m guessing that Pinoe’s USSF contract doesn’t specify how you have to behave during the anthem.

      And I don’t find what she’s doing to be disrespectful. It’s in the vein of “My country right or wrong – but when it’s wrong, let’s make it right.”

      • mockmook

        “but when it’s wrong, let’s make it right.”

        Every player will have their idea of what is “right”.

        Do you really want to see constant protests at US Soccer games by every player as they tout their pet issues?

        • FlyingSquirrel42

          No, but that problem would take care of itself if it became an issue – constant protests would quickly start to lose their effectiveness, and the players would stop doing it because people would stop paying attention to it.

          • guest

            there is always a new protest to fight for and a new way to protest to keep attention. it could never end.

          • rat

            fanfiction

          • mockmook

            Wrong, the minute some non-PC cause is part of a protest they will shut down all protests.

            This is what the Rapinoe supporters aren’t getting (or don’t care about), this is asymmetrical “warfare”.

            The only protests allowed will be PC-ones. There is no grand free speech principle that is being maintained — it’s only one type of speech that is tolerated.

          • rat

            are you talking about protests from some knuckle-heated soccer players?

          • rat

            this is pure fanfiction, no one else will EVER protest anything

      • guest

        actually the ussf already has an established rule that all players are required to show respect during the playing of both country national anthems.

  • NYRick

    3 questions the WoSo soccer media for sure and General Sports Media probably need to ask Megan. All 3 are fair questions but they are too biased to even come anywhere near these questions (all extremely relevant):

    1. If a US teammate decided to kneel during the anthem for social reform for religious reasons against gay marriage, what would your reaction be, and would you be OK with it?

    2. At last year’s NYC ticker tape parade, there were thousands of kids and fans waving American flags and dressed in US garb, and you seemed to have no problem with that or how you perceived the country. Isn’t that being a bit hypocritical with your current stance today?

    3. Why not just refuse to play for the NT right now if your beliefs are this strong? And more importantly, would you feel it unjust if the coach (for their own reasons) maybe decided not to select you for the team or worse, sat you on the bench every game without a minute of action.

    • sweetjazz3

      1) I would not support their cause, but I personally think a player should be allowed to do so. Of course, they will get flamed on social media (same as is happening to Rapinoe now), which I also would not support, but would expect to happen give the state of our culture.

      2) Anybody who thinks someone does not have a right to proudly wave the flag or make some overt act of patriotism is clueless and doesn’t get it. You’re free to view Rapinoe’s actions as hypocritical, but I think most people who are at least partially sympathetic to her can relate to the idea of being proud of the country, but finding one aspect of the country so troublesome that she feels compelled to protest. You may not agree with her, but at least part of her motivation for the protest is because she loves America enough to want to make it better. (I think ego and other psychological factors probably are a part of the story too. Because she’s a fallible, imperfect human being, as are we all.)

      3) I personally do not want to see US Soccer suspend or discipline her, but she has to be pretty naive to expect there not to be some consequences. She just saw how US Soccer through Hope Solo under the bus because she no longer had financial value to them. I don’t think she’ll agree with any punitive actions US Soccer comes up with, but she’d have to pretty stupid to not be prepared for the likelihood that they are going to come.

      • NYRick

        1) I’m merely just citing an example. And for the record, the person against gay marriage would get far more flack, really a ton more, than a person refusing to stand for the national anthem any day of the week in our current culture in the US.

        2) She is free to protest. I don’t agree with her and I certainly don’t agree with her right in doing so as a member of a US national team. If you have that big a problem simply don’t play. And I know you are going to come back with “this is her vehicle to really get her message out there and continue the conversation (she’s never been clear on what exactly this is btw) etc.” but I just feel the USSF (her employer) doesn’t have to stand for it.

        3) I heard an interview with Jill Ellis right before the match and she seemed irked by the possibility that she was going to do this, and I thought she just wouldn’t play Pinoe. That would have been a strong message right then and there, rather than the nonsense of now having to suspend her. And she won’t be suspended under any circumstances. The USSF does not want that ACLU circus that will arise from this. Pinoe knows this. She has the hammer.

        • sweetjazz3

          1) I think you’re not looking at it objectively or are possibly influenced where you live, depending what part of NY you are from. I’ve lived in NY before, but currently reside in Louisiana. There are pockets of the state (the wealthy, highly educated parts of New Orleans and Baton Rouge) where the gay marriage protest would get more flak than the anthem protests (but not as much as you might think if you haven’t spent a lot of time down South), but in the rural, white parts of the state, the opposite is true. (African-Americans would be more likely to support both the anthem protest and the gay marriage protest, though not universally on either issue.) I can tell you that statewide, the anthem protest is getting way more criticism than a gay marriage protest would, but I also suspect the opposite is true in New York, especially in the NYC metro area.

          2) and 3) I wholeheartedly agree that US Soccer has a right to punish Rapinoe. And I won’t be surprised if they do so. I’d prefer they not, but I won’t shed a tear if they do. Rapinoe presumably believes enough in what she is doing to accept responsibility for her actions. And if not, that’s her own fault.

          I really don’t know about the ACLU angle, but you may well be right there. I don’t understand the legal aspects well enough to comment.

        • htm222

          1) As they should. Support of systemic discrimination against a large group is far more unpalatable to many than someone taking an anti-discrimination stance by kneeling in front of the flag. What a terrible thing! (sarcasm)

  • NYRick

    If I’m Hope Solo I am steaming right now.

    • sweetjazz3

      If you’re Hope Solo, aren’t you steaming most of the time? 😉

      (Just some humor. Don’t mean to sidetrack what you’re saying. I get your point.)

      • HOFCToDi

        ….. drunk and belligerent, just ask family members under oath in court.

    • Steglitz49

      She ought to be talking calmly with her lawyer.

  • newsouth

    Pinoe vs the evil USSTet. this is hard one to take sides on. I’ll stick to Press and Half German for now. What i will say is, does the US has a lot of 3rd World aspects to it such as parts of its’ police force functioning like BOPE. and that’s no lie if you have been in a favela in Brasil. Well, at least Bope tends to disarm now vs shot first.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeAWCnaP2oA

  • Lorehead

    In my personal opinion, this form of protest was not appropriate for this occasion. If someone is so disappointed with her country right now that her principles require her to kneel for its anthem, which I respect, it does not make sense for her to wear the uniform and crest of her national team.

    • sweetjazz3

      Tend to agree, but I suspect her feelings are mixed. Probably proud of many things about the country, but feels the issue of police killings and its impact on the African-American community is so important that she needs to speak out about it. I don’t think it is inconsistent to feel strongly about this issue but still love America overall.

      That said, she’d have to be very naive not to realize she will likely face some form of punitive consequence. If you’re going to make a protest, you need to be willing to take on the sacrifice necessary for your cause. If she does so, she’ll open a lot more minds to considering her point of view (though certainly not all of them).

      • Lorehead

        Or take the consequence for refusing to play for her national team (in violation of her contract)? I agree, though: nonviolent civil disobedience means openly breaking the rules and accepting the consequences.

        • sweetjazz3

          Yeah, I haven’t actually followed Rapinoe’s statements carefully. I am personally much more fascinated by our national (over?)reaction to the story than I am in Rapinoe’s particular views. It may be that she has an unrealistic expectation of wanting to get credit for civil disobedience without accepting the (often harsh) consequences that go with it. She should know that her spot on the national team is in jeopardy, though my best guess (probably wrong) is that she’ll get a more lenient punishment, with a warning that a repeat offense will not be tolerated.

          • Lorehead

            I very much doubt US Soccer would fire her for a first offense.

          • sweetjazz3

            Me too, but I think they will put her on a short leash. They made it clear with how they handled Hope Solo that players only get leeway insofar as they are financially valuable. Rapinoe has the advantage of being potentially valuable during the next cycle, but I think she could certainly overestimate how much leverage she has. Unless other players on the team are willing to walk in support of her.

          • Lorehead

            They’ve given her a warning. The punishment for a repeat offense might be a suspension. If she wants to keep protesting this way, she can buy a ticket.

          • Terry Lash

            My biggest concern about Rapinoe’s actions is the disrepute it brings to US Soccer and WoSo. The NWSL seems to me to still be fragile. Yes, it has lasted one more year than previous professional women’s leagues, and there is chatter about expansion. But some current teams have low attendance (Sky Blue, Red Stars), and at least the Spirit appear to be marginally profitable. If Rapinoe’s kneeling during the national anthem reduces attendance even a little and causes more controversy that disgusts or discourages current or possible future owners then NWSL suffers. US Soccer itself will come under increased government scrutiny as well. It is only a matter of time before politicians and government leaders start openly wondering why US Soccer is allowing an employee demonstrate against the flag publicly while she is supposedly representing the country. She can and should be sanctioned by US Soccer to avoid economic and political damage to WoSo in the US.

          • NYRick

            It’s all about protecting “the brand.” That is the only way the USSF should be thinking about this. Even it damages the brand 5%, that’s too much. Gulati is in turn a CEO of a corporation. If he has an employee hurting his company from a political standpoint in any way, he is a fool not to remove the problem. That is not a violation of that person’s freedom of speech. He just would have the right to say “not on my dime.” You represent my brand, and me, as the caretaker of the brand, defends any negativity towards it. I’m not a lawyer, but it’s an easy win. But now, he let the horse out of the barn. Now she has an audience, media attention and a platform and can cry foul if she is dropped from the team. It’s totally stupid. In business, you have to get any problems early and not let them gain momentum and fester.

            It’s about the brand, Mr. Gulati. And contrary to what you may believe, soccer in the US is still sport #5 and women’s soccer is beyond fringe.

          • Terry Lash

            Completely agree. It is well establish employment law that an employer can impose restrictions on employee speech, while an employee is on duty, under a non-discriminatory policy (that is, a policy that does not target protected groups of people). And, yes, Gulati made a serious error in not stopping Rapinoe’s actions immediately. He still must act, but his action will draw more criticism the longer he waits.

          • FlyingSquirrel42

            Can =/= should.

          • Dennis Nguyen

            Until Gulati sent out the statment, there was no official policy that Rapinoe, the employee, was violating. The NFL, another employer did not restrict their players from kneeling. I do agree, now that he has come out against it, he has to do something or else risk losing his job. I’m sure more than a few people are angling to have his job and will use every opportunity to weaken his position. Don’t you just love human being 🙂 We’re such nasty nasty creature. We deserve to be one of the deadliest large predators on the planet.

          • Dennis Nguyen

            Or it could work the other way. Spirit owner didn’t endear himself to the crowd. Women’s soccer fans are not the same as NASCAR. He may have cost his own organizations ticket sales. You can of course spin it as a great man, with firm conviction, standing up for his beliefs, even though it hurt him in the pocket book. Or, it was a complete miscalculation. Note, he has said much afterwards.

          • rat

            “Women’s soccer fans are not the same as NASCAR.”

          • rkmid71

            Even without any of this kneeling, her spot on the NT should be jeopardy. She claimed she was 100% fit, but clearly wasn’t. She could not or was unwilling to even play NWSL games or USWNT friendlies post surgery to prove it to her coaches and to herself. She’s had 3 ACL surgeries affecting both knees. She failed miserably at 2016 OG. She’s 31 years old, is well past her prime and the injuries have had an impact and has been given many opportunities by the USWNT. This is a NT. The US has a massive player pool and many players that can add more value at this stage. Let’s focus on soccer and say thank you for your service and goodbye to Rapinoe on that basis alone.

          • guest

            i agree with everything you posted. megan rapinoe likely sees the writing on the wall. mallory pugh is the future at her spot not her at her age. so she’s trying to reinvent herself as the self-proclaimed voice of a generation and promote the rapinoe brand.

          • Tania

            Pugh should be taking Carli Lloyd’s spot, not Rapinoe’s.

          • sweetjazz3

            I mean I agree that every player’s spot should be subject to removal due to merit. I’m not ready to write her off based on performance yet. She’sbeen working hard to recover from an injury that directly resulted from US Soccer incompetence. She deserves a chance to prove herself. She could easily be a top player for the US in the next cycle. But she should have to earn it based on the merits, with no points for or against because of her anthem stance.

          • rkmid71

            Do you agree that the USWNTPA has systematically restricted other players the opportunity to earn a spot on the NT? Unless I see a material change in the CBA or structure of compensation to WNT players to ensure that happens, I don’t trust that it will be a meritocracy. Rapinoe was an unfit player that was selected for the 2016 OG. She’s been given many many opportunities and she should be thankful — it’s not about her “deserving” anything.

          • sweetjazz3

            That’s a whole other issue. USWNT deserves a lot of criticism in this regard. Still, they have the right to field a team comprised of women picked up from a senior’s bingo event if they so choose (modulo any contractual obligations they willingly enter into, of course).

          • Tania

            It’s possible they have. And more power to them. I have no problem with it. If the USSF wants to keep these women here playing in the NWSL they darn well should get perks for it. The player system suits the needs of both parties. We aren’t at a point in WOSO where we can move to a system like the men’s. Not enough women would keep playing.

          • Karla Fay

            The USWNT team and Rapinoe said she was healed but not in game fitness. The final call was on Jill Ellis, not Rapinoe.

          • Tania

            That is ridiculous on all counts. Ellis saw her play and ELLIS made the decision to take her to Rio. You can’t blame Rapinoe, who looks better every game & you have no way of knowing if she’s past her prime.

          • Dennis Nguyen

            or, she could be forcing US Soccer to take harsh action. That is how civil disobedience work. The British Empire did not want to punish Gandhi so he forced them to either take action and upheld their laws or admit that their laws (British right to rule India) should be abolished. Again, if you believe if something strongly enough you show this by willing to give up something important to you. That is courage, whether the view you held is correct or not the courage is a separate matter. Too often, we only accept a person is courageous if we are in agreement with them, and somehow cowardly if we don’t. I don’t know Rapinoe personally, I don’t know what her plans are, or even if she has a coherent plan but it could be the start of a very interesting something.

          • sweetjazz3

            I agree with you about civil disobedience. I personally think there are better avenues to pursue her cause, but I could be wrong. I am frustrated by how slow police reform takes, especially in instances where you have officers who seem competent and well-intentioned doing harmful things in the community because they are instructed to (e.g. stop-and-frisk). But I don’t know what the optimal path forward is. I have a bias toward building community-wide consensus over confrontation, but I must admit the former has not exactly been a successful approach to date for this issue.

            I certainly respect her insofar as she appears to be willing to risk negative consequences in pursuit of what she believes in. Though I too don’t know whether she has a coherent plan or not.

        • Hwah

          I suspect she was told that there would be consequences and decided that she was willing to risk those consequences to stay firm to what she started.

          • Lorehead

            Agreed. US Soccer warned her ahead of time, and she went ahead and did it anyway, so she’ll get some kind of punishment. But it’ll probably be minor.

    • CED

      By that logic than black people shouldn’t have fought in wars for the US since the countries founding.

      • Lorehead

        Go away, troll.

        • CED

          Sorry once again you are not bright enough to have a cogent response. It must be painful to live a life and be so utterly mentally inferior to everyone.

      • Karla Fay

        Exactly, strange that as a group the participation rate of Native Americans in the US armed forces is the highest of all groups even though the US Army hunted them down and put them on reservations.

  • jmclarke

    It seems to me that people who chose to stage a protest during the playing of the national anthem do so precisely because they do respect it and recognize its significance. Whenever I hear Statements like that from the USSF quoted above it just makes me think they fundamentally misunderstand the issue.

    • sweetjazz3

      Me too, but I think our view is a minority one. We do, in my view, have an obligation to better understand the other point of view, even if we cannot agree with it.

    • Paul Klee

      So would the USSF be wrong if they sanctioned a player that decided they were going to give a nazi-like salute in protest against what they believed to be facist actions by the Obama administration?

      • jmclarke

        Off the top of my head, and despite the inherent craziness of the hypothetical, I’d say no. But primarily because of the inflammatory nature of such a protest. The action in question in this case is passive, measured, and, I think, eminently respectful.

        • Paul Klee

          The point of what she’s doing is to demonstrate disrespect, she is at the very least intentionally disrespecting Societal norms to draw attention to her cause.

          Rosa Parks was passively disrespecting the law when she sat in the “wrong” location on the bus.

          • jmclarke

            You’re not really drawing a parallel between throwing a nazi salute and fighting for basic civil rights are you?

          • Paul Klee

            Did you read what I said about a Nazi-like salute?

          • jmclarke

            Think I’d have the same sort of issue with someone who insisted on doing a Junior BIrdman salute in response to drone use or holding a thumb & index finger gun to their head in protest of the death penalty. My only point is that the playing of the anthem is itself spectacle, and a voluntary one. Am not trying to make a hero out of Rapinoe, it’s just that I don’t see any show of disrespect in her action.

          • guest

            actually it is not voluntary. the ussf requires the national anthem to be played at all international matches.

          • Paul Klee

            You are mixing up nonviolence or peaceful protesting with The almost oxymoronic respectful protesting. If you are protesting you are being disrespectful toward something even if it’s just the status quo.

          • jmclarke

            yeah, actually I’m not. I’m old and don’t really care all that much about these sorts of discussions. I merely made the observation that for someone to choose to protest during the national anthem implies respect for the ceremony in the first place, and that I found the USSF’s statement on Rapinoe’s taking a knee to be more offensive than the actual protest. Go figure. But that’s it.

          • Paul Klee

            Frankly, that’s nonsensical. How does it imply respect? So you don’t really want to have a discussion? You want to just state an opinion, but don’t want it challenged because it really wasn’t all that well thought out in the first place.

          • FlyingSquirrel42

            A Nazi salute would offend just about everybody. Making comparisons to a regime that murdered millions of people and started a world war and what Pinoe and Kaepernick are doing are worlds apart.

          • Paul Klee

            Did I say Nazi salute?

          • Paul Klee

            No I am not read what I said again.

          • NYRick

            Of course he’s not. And how is the “symbol” of kneeling all of the sudden being interpreted as fighting for basic civil rights? I must have missed that in my basic reading signs from the third base coach course. Rapinoe is showboating for attention. Can’t convince me otherwise. It’s inherent in her persona and I have no problem with that at all. But let’s call it what it is and stop trying to make some type of hero out of her.

            Because she is not a hero or a defender of all that is unjust. If this was right before the WC or right before the OG, do you really think she would have run the risk of a possible suspension and forfeiting her right to be on either team? I don’t think so. Right now she can do so without much repercussion. What is the worse that can happen to her? They can suspend her for a couple of games against tomato cans. The US doesn’t have a serious tournament to play for 3 years and she most likely won’t be a part of that anyway. A 23-year old big star on the rise Megan Rapinoe would have impressed me far more with her protest. Say for instance if Pugh did this, that would be a really big deal and a super major headache for the USSF.

          • guest

            when you allow one protest you have to allow all of them. not just the ones you feel are respectful. that would be discriminatory.

          • sweetjazz3

            No, that’s not how the law works. Organizations can allow for protests that they approve of and not ones they don’t approve of.

            Whether they should do that is another question entirely.

          • guest

            in theory, it is true private organizations can give or not give their consent to any particualr protest as the owners. but it is important for the owners to take the temperature of their worker opinions. because in reality, once they decide to allow some protests but not others there is a real chance for workplace division between workers which can ultimately effect performance.

          • sweetjazz3

            They already make such decisions. Teams in the league can have military service night or gay pride night, but they can’t have white pride night or black power night. They have can have breast cancer awareness night, but they can’t have “cancer funding is too high” night. What’s allowed (often even encouraged) and what is not is based primarily on the economics of the league and the desire for greater approval and interest by the public.

            The tough thing for the league with the Rapinoe protest is that the issue is so polarizing that they will look like they are weak and giving in to the other side no matter what they do. You literally can’t please everyone on this one.

        • Paul Klee

          Was the black power salute at the 68 Olympics during the anthem a passive protest?

          • Steglitz49

            It was a powerful protest for sure.

            When Peter Norman, the Australian who took the silver, died, Smith and Carlos travelled to his funeral, were pall bearers and spoke. The Australian federation had denied Norman the chance to defend his silver in OG-72 so he suffered.

          • rkmid71

            Per Wiki, the Australian Olympic Committee disputes that he was penalized. Norman finished 3rd in the 1972 Australian Athletics Championships so he didn’t automatically qualify and his time was below the Olympic qualifying standard. That might be all hogwash, but it seems like something easily verified.

        • NYRick

          The funny thing is you calling the “hypothetical” crazy. Yes in theory and practice it is. Really more distasteful and despicable than crazy. However to that person that would be their cause, and their right. We can’t cherry pick and defend causes, good or bad, because we agree with them.

          Isn’t this the “freedom of expression” that you defend Rapinoe with? Isn’t it one in the same? Her cause is OK because perhaps you or others view it to be politically correct. She is doing her part as a quasi-famous gay American for alerting the public that more can be done for gay rights etc. The crazy Nazi guy/girl would (presumably as Americans) be defending their viewpoint on white supremacy. And they are simply giving a Nazi-like salute, that is just as passive as the kneel down. It’s all in the optics, not the act.

        • guest

          what you find respectful others may find disrespectful. if you allow one protest you have to allow all protests in the name of equal rights. that is why organizations create uniform rules for everyone.

      • FlyingSquirrel42

        Paging Mr. Godwin…Mr. Godwin to the front desk please…

        • Paul Klee

          Godwin not applicable here look up Bellamy Salute.

      • brdn08

        No, Nazi symbolism is inherently tied to racism, bigotry, and genocide. They would probably be sued by somone for a great amount for allowing a hostile work environment especially if they have Israeli/Jewish employees. This isn’t a good comparison.

        • Paul Klee

          Two points first, I didn’t say Nazi Salute I said Nazi-like referring to the Bellamy salute which was used early to mid 1900’s as the US flag salute. Secondly, I was speaking of using the salute ironically as in being opposed to facism not in support. Saying going back to the days before fascism.

          It would be an actual learning experience and would only upset the fascists and/or snowflakes.

          • brdn08

            As long as its not inherently linked to something threatening or offensive to one of the protected classes. Im fine with it as a protest. I feel there are many causes more imlortant than soccer and if the athlete is willing to face the consequences then they should follow their conscience.

          • Paul Klee

            You do realize that if everyone acted as selfish as Rapinoe protesting their own cause using universal shared communal sacrosanct events as a platform the whole idea of a nation of citizens with shared beliefs is compromised.

          • brdn08

            You’re drawing parallels between this issue and others without being specific. Everyone’s cause isn’t analogous to this one. Further some of the lyrics of that song are blatant conflict with the ideals of this country, but hey, the white men who founded this country were largely hypocrites. I also disagree with your characterization of the playing of the national anthem as sacrosanct. People sit, talk through, laugh, joke, ignore, and protest during the anthem pretty regularly at sporting events without drawing any ire. Michael Phelps sat and laughed through the national anthem multiple times at the olympics this summer, no backlash.

          • Paul Klee

            So give me your causes that it appropriate to protest using the national anthem as a platform remember “be specific “?

            Thanks for the history lesson, I’m glad that hypocrisy in government ended with the death of the white male founding fathers and doesn’t extend to our current black male President and his likely successor the most scrupulous white female ever.

            Don’t see too many people showing a lack of respect during anthems but when I do they are usually met with icy glares. But you’re right sometimes people don’t show the proper respect, those people are known as jerks.

          • brdn08

            Racism, genocide, discrimination based on sexual orientation, discrimination/harassment based on gender, discrimination. I could keep going but any violation of a civil right that is allowed to continue without some response legislatively or socially to effect change warrants a protest because the country isn’t living up to the most fundamental of its ideals. Im all in with these protests. Terence Crutcher’s is another recent example that shows we still have a ton of work to do.

          • Paul Klee

            So basically anyone who believes they are being treated unfairly by the government.

            So, for example, the Obama administration using the IRS to target “tea party” group tax status, violating their Civil Right of political affiliation and their political right of procedural fairness; a protest by say, Crystal Dunn, using the National Anthem as a platform would be just fine with you?

            Or are you just going to allow only “important Civil Rights” the Anthem protest platform?

          • brdn08

            Political affiliation isn’t a protected class federally. Try again.

          • Paul Klee

            Political Afiliation is a constitutionally protected Civil right under the first Amendment, and is covered in much the same way that sexual orientation is covered under the Civil Rights act.

          • brdn08

            No it isnt. Protected civil rights classes are race, religion, color, sex, pregnancy, national origin, familial makeup, citizenship, age, disabled persons, and veteran status. In fact, civil rights arent ensured/protected by the Constiturion at all. The Constitution was a breakthrough piece of legislation but flawed might be a bit of an understatement. Civil rights and the broader protected classes weren’t recognized until the second half of the 20th century.

          • Paul Klee

            Are you freaking serious? Do you know what the first 10 amendments to the Constitution are almost always referred to as? The right, the Bill of Rights, Civil Rights that James Madison believed that needed to be spelled out to protect the individual from the government.

          • brdn08

            But they weren’t protected for all citizens and they were not enforced.

          • Paul Klee

            Ok, but they are still Civil Rights, what’s your point? Are you saying that the denial of the right to free speech can’t be protested using the national anthem as a platform, because it’s in the Bill of Rights?

          • brdn08

            Id need to know the specifics. Free speech isnt absolute. And its not a protected class. It is actually illegal to say some things. Give me an example of what you mean.

          • Paul Klee

            Not the point, could be right to assemble, or right to self defense in the 2nd amendment , probable cause in the 4th, due process in the 5th. You are the one saying that protesting rights ensured by the Bill of Rights are off limits to using the Anthem as a platform because at the time citizenship was less universal than present day.

      • rat

        This is fanfiction. That would only happen in your imagination.

        • Paul Klee

          You’re right it wouldn’t happen, because a person that believed that wouldn’t be such a selfish as to actually protest the national anthem.

          • rat

            It wouldn’t happen because there are no neo-nazis on the USWNT, despite your imaginative flight of fancy.

          • Paul Klee

            When did I say neo-nazi or even implied such. I implied anti-fascist, I assume that many on the USWNT fall into that category. Please try to comprehend in the future before replying to one of my comments. Thank you in advance for this consideration.

          • guest

            the players on the team now are not the players that will be on the team in the future. the protests now may not be the same protests in the future. that is why private organizations exercise their right to have code of conduct policies. and players can choose to not play for the teams if they don’t support their policies.

        • guest

          i suppose you also support then uswnt players and every other national team players choice to sit or kneel during the playing of the opponent’s national anthem too?

  • Send her packing

    Should be the last time she kneels for the anthem!

  • NYRick

    Things that don’t work in Rapinoe’s favor (although I hardly believe she understands fully):

    1. The team layed an egg in Rio. It was comparable to Michael Phelps leaving the OG without any medal.

    2. Hope Solo. Talk all you want about some cumulative type of multi transgressions for her. The last one is what people tend to remember and that by any stretch to give her a suspension and termination of contract for was just absurd.

    3. At her position, it can be easily argued that right now Dunn, Heath and Pugh are superior to her as players. That doesn’t even get into the logjam of talent at forward or in the central midfield as well and those now on the horizon as well.

    Ever hear the expression, “you don’t know what you have until it’s gone?” Megan has plenty of time in her life to be an activist for any cause she choses after she exits playing for her national team, which is a privilege first and foremost. And they obviously can win or lose, with or without her.

    • newsouth

      uswnt is comprised up of too many media who#es. personally, i have paid any attention to pinoe outside of derailing threads with irrelevant content. i’d be more impressed if she stood up for transgender rights or confront people about the pressure rumors but that’s just me. turf burns/grass stains on her knees are nothing. hope she gets 2-3 sponsors from this controversy. boards are much more healthy when we debate anything related to press. : )

      • anon

        nice butt grabbing interactions with her gf last night.

  • guest

    hey everybody! i’m important!!! a gesture is the same thing as action

  • guest

    the uswnt. one nation….but not one team.

  • guest

    Meh part of me thinks Pinoe doesn’t care about getting the boot from USSoccer. I think she knows her days are numbered. Why her protest is such a big deal… it’s not.

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  • Von Clownstick

    Sport shouldn’t be use as a political platform, Rapinoe should be suspended like the Korean footballer who got suspended by FIFA and Korean FA for protesting against Japan during a match.

  • Guest

    The US national team has many player who understand what the flag means to this country. If your representing the US you should respect it. I would think the many women of color who have tried to get on the field for the national team would be happy to replace Megan. They have the right to address the ongoing injustice within the USWN team.There are many men and women who have given their lives in defense of the flag and country that’s why she should be standing when wearing the national team jersey. If she can respect what the Jersey and flag stands for then she should not be given the right to wear it. Give it to one of the many players in the pool who understand what a privilege it is to put that Jersey on. The national team suspended Hope for unflattering remarks made, why can’t they just kick Megan out of the pool!!! When she gets how lucky she is to live in our country maybe then she could be allowed to buy a ticket to watch our national team play. Gold Star families should boycott the WNT until Megan is removed from the team for this disrespectful display. She may cont. to protest with her club team, but not when she has been given a chance to represent our great nation.

    • guest

      you can respect the USA while recognizing that it has problems. many vets have come out in support of these protests. blind and unquestioning patriotism is destructive and antithetical to what the US is supposed to stand for.

      • Guest

        war mongering = patriotism. god bless the USA!

        • guest

          yes respecting and supporting us national team sports is war mongering.

      • guest

        i assume then that you would support uswnt players doing flag protest kneeling against other country anthems as well then for the human rights violations that they have. it’s not about showing your patriotism. it’s about showing respect to the country you represent and to the country you are competing against.

    • Terry Lash

      Actually, she should not be allowed to kneel during the national anthem either while playing for the Reign, because she still would be playing as an employee of US Soccer. If she leaves the USWNT and is hired by the Reign, then it would be up to the Reign, who would then be her employer, to determine whether kneeling is permissible.

      • NYRick

        Great point. US soccer is paying her Reign salary.

        This is lost on her and why Gulati should have nipped this in the bud two weeks ago. But he is gutless and has proven to be that for years now.

      • guest

        Sure, let her kneel, or stand on her head, or whatever she likes, but sit her for the match.

  • Guest

    good for pinoe for at least being part of the discussion. why is the anthem even necessary at every sporting event?

    • guest

      Can you give one good reason why we shouldn’t play the anthem?

      • brdn08

        Because the anthem is offensive. Try reading the entire poem.

  • Guest

    The US national team has many player who understand what the flag means to this country. If your representing the US you should respect it. I would think the many women of color who have tried to get on the field for the national team would be happy to replace Megan. They have the right to address the ongoing injustice within the USWN team.There are many men and women who have given their lives in defense of the flag and country that’s why she should be standing when wearing the national team jersey. If she can respect what the Jersey and flag stands for then she should not be given the right to wear it. Give it to one of the many players in the pool who understand what a privilege it is to put that Jersey on. The national team suspended Hope for unflattering remarks made, why can’t they just kick Megan out of the pool!!! When she gets how lucky she is to live in our country maybe then she could be allowed to buy a ticket to watch our national team play. Gold Star families should boycott the WNT until Megan is removed from the team for this disrespectful display. She may cont. to protest with her club team, but not when she has been given a chance to represent our great nation.

  • Guest

    The US national team has many player who understand what the flag means to this country. If your representing the US you should respect it. I would think the many women of color who have tried to get on the field for the national team would be happy to replace Megan. They have the right to address the ongoing injustice within the USWN team.There are many men and women who have given their lives in defense of the flag and country that’s why she should be standing when wearing the national team jersey. If she can respect what the Jersey and flag stands for then she should not be given the right to wear it. Give it to one of the many players in the pool who understand what a privilege it is to put that Jersey on. The national team suspended Hope for unflattering remarks made, why can’t they just kick Megan out of the pool!!! When she gets how lucky she is to live in our country maybe then she could be allowed to buy a ticket to watch our national team play. Gold Star families should boycott the WNT until Megan is removed from the team for this disrespectful display. She may cont. to protest with her club team, but not when she has been given a chance to represent our great nation. Wonder why this post has been removed twice is this not free speech???

  • NYRick

    Anyone else think it’s now a very good time for ALL SPORTS TEAMS IN THE US, and most especially the National team of each respective sport to clearly state in their bylaws in the best legal terms possible something to the effect of…

    No political protests against the US OF ANY KIND OR FOR WHATEVER CAUSE will be tolerated while as a member of the US team either publicly or privately. Such action will result in immediate dismissal from the team.

    Now if you want to call that harsh and fascist or whatever, so be it. It really something very important right now to get on top of. Any individual has a right to protest in this country for any case within reason and no one is denying them that right, but a national team is a honor and holds prestige tied to that country and should have a standard set to represent it.

    I also find the dichotomy of Pinoe’s protest on the same night as the retirement of a player who embodied all that was good in the program and a stellar representative of US sports quite startling. As they say, sometimes you can’t make it up.

    • sweetjazz3

      So a player can show political support but not protest? In 2003, they’d be able to spread a “support our troops” message (not a political protest) but not a “peace not war” message (a political protest against the Bush policy)? Or do we have to ban all “thank you soldiers” and “breast cancer survivor” messages because those are political too, albeit not as controversial?

      The problem with blanket rules is that there are often circumstances where they shouldn’t apply. I personally think the current approach where fans, through their conduits, advertisers, have a say in what is or is not okay.

      US Soccer is listening to you. But they’re also listening to her supporters. They’re going to make at least one of you unhappy, but what’s wrong with that?

      • NYRick

        Forget me for a second. You know where I stand on it. But US Soccer is making a colossal mistake if they take her side on this and let it go. Just watch. Don’t forget that parents of young kids are big supporters of the sport. They may not take kindly to this and simply tell their kid I’m not taking you to the US match you want to go to, I’ll take you to an NWSL or MSL match instead. That’s a real thing.

        • FlyingSquirrel42

          USSF could, as Pinoe’s employer, choose to discipline her for this, and they’d be within their rights to do so. But are these parents really going to be so upset by this that they won’t even want their children to *see* it, or that they can’t explain what it’s about later? What about fans like the Spirit supporter who was a veteran and was upset about how Bill Lynch handled the situation? What about parents who think their children might benefit from seeing how someone they look up to chooses to address a controversial topic? Don’t their opinions count too?

          This is why I think USSF should just stay neutral in this. They don’t need to say that they agree with Pinoe on the issue or that they think kneeling during the anthem is the best way to make this point, but they don’t need to punish her either.

          • anon

            Think of the children! They shouldn’t see someone making a statement about racism and discrimination! We must blindly salute the red white and blue cloth and hum the old war song!

          • mockmook

            You’ll be as supportive if someone is protesting abortions as murder, right?

          • rat

            fanfiction

        • sweetjazz3

          Women’s soccer fans are an interesting demographic. They are much more affluent and educated than the country as a whole. I’m not sure where the “average” fans on this issue. In some ways, US Soccer is in a lose-lose situation. They are forced to make a decision one way or the other, and they will likely lose some support with any decision they make. That’s one of the reasons that I don’t agree with Rapinoe’s action.

          • AlexH

            The only way you keep the loss to a minimum is to clearly state your expectations and respond consistent with those expectations. If it seems arbitrary or political you lose a lot more because the arbitrary and political decisions cause a far greater emotional response.

          • sweetjazz3

            That’s a really good point. Based on their past history, however, I wouldn’t expect clarity.

    • Libertarian

      Let ’em protest all they want, but bench them, or dock their pay, and we’ll see how strong their convictions are.

      • NYRick

        Money is the great equalizer and where the rubber meets the road. That’s why I say CK is a farce. He got paid last year big time before this protest. Without that, he goes no where near this. And Pinoe did not, nor would she have risked, doing this right before the WC and OG. That may or should have resulted in a suspension and her place on either team, meaning huge loss of revenue. Right now, there are little repercussions. Her cycle and basically NT career are over.

  • NYRick

    Pinoe: (actual quote in post on-field interview):

    “This is bigger than sports.”

    How can anyone take her seriously? Besides, on the other hand she talks about her love and friendship and respect for her retiring teammate HAO, but has no problem grabbing attention away from her on her big night. A selfish punk. And punk applies male or female, sorry.

    • Gary Diver

      You do realize that Tommie Smith and John Carlos received death threats when they returned from Mexico City in 1968. Evidence for their cause. But we must make America safe for white Americans.

      “International Olympic Committee (IOC) president Avery Brundage deemed it to be a domestic political statement unfit for the apolitical, international forum the Olympic Games were intended to be. In response to their actions, he ordered Smith and Carlos suspended from the US team and banned from the Olympic Village. When the US Olympic Committee refused, Brundage threatened to ban the entire US track team. This threat led to the expulsion of the two athletes from the Games. . . .

      In 2013, the official IOC website stated that “Over and above winning medals, the black American athletes made names for themselves by an act of racial protest.” – Wikipedia, “1968 Olympics Black Power Salute”

      Some causes are more important than bread and circuses.

      • AlexH

        This happened in 1968 before anybody on the team was born, in some cases by decades. If Collin and Megan decided to take over an army base would you be defending it on the basis of that’s what John Brown did in 1859?

        • Gary Diver

          “If Collin and Megan decided to take over an army base would you be defending it on the basis of that’s what John Brown did in 1859?”

          Why do people get defensive with embarrassing questions and answer them by posing absurd hypotheticals. You remind me of the nutcase who has claimed for over five years that Barack Obama may not have been born in America.

          Hypothetical possibilities are only limited by your imagination and not by facts. Why not claim Rapinoe “may” have sympathies with a foreign government and is trying to destroy the US. If you are going to make up stuff, which seems to be the rage today, make up something that makes us laugh. Don’t be half-ass with your imagination.

          • AlexH

            It’s no more absurd than justifying an action that occured today by referencing something that happened 48 years ago in another sport, in another country with completely different people.

          • Gary Diver

            Racial intolerance and discrimination have a history. I know white people often are sick of hearing that black were brought to this country against their will as slaves. I know that is history and people should get over it. But if you were black you would always be aware of that history which is your family’s history.

            The hypothetical case you brought up is something that has never happened. It is amazing that so many people today cannot distinguish things that actually happened and things that are made up.

          • AlexH

            The fact that racial discrimination is part of American history and the past is connected to the present does not mean that actions of the past can be used to justify actions in the present.

            John Browns raid on the base at Harpers Ferry in 1859 in an attempt to start a slave insurrection noble undertaking, and his subsequent hanging made him a martyr to all who believe in justice. However, I can’t imagine anybody approving of any such action in 2016 no matter what the cause. As such it serves as perfect counterexample to your silly “If it was done way back when we can still do it now” apology for Rapinoes selfish actions.

          • mockmook

            Why was America importing slaves? The countries that colonized North America were importing slaves.

            When the United States was finally founded, the Constitution specifically spelled out how the slave trade was to end. The Constitution also carried the seeds to the eventual abolition of slavery.

            OK, some people were racists (in every country, and of every race). Some people are racists (in every country, and of every race). The USA isn’t unique, whites are not unique.

            But, the way to stop racism is to stop being fixated on race.

    • guest

      rapinoe is saying this is bigger than the uswnt. more important than the team. then if she really feels that way she should retire from the team.

  • Gary Diver

    American Symbolism: A Great Divide

    “U.S. Soccer Missed the Point of Megan Rapinoe’s Protest Entirely and Issued a Dumb Statement” by Kevin McCauley

    http://www.sbnation.com/soccer/2016/9/15/12937452/megan-rapinoe-national-anthem-kneel-protest-uswnt-thailand-usa-womens-soccer

    Some things never change. I grew up during the Vietnam War and remember those troubling times too well. The American flag was a great divide in those days. Those who supported the war used the flag to promote their version of true patriotism and to vilify those who did not believe in their version of what it meant to be an American. And during the McCarthy period, conservatives wanted loyalty oaths to be instituted to determine who was a true American. Of course it was loyalty oaths of conservative values written by conservatives that people were expected to pledge to. No tolerance for other views or values. Are we seeing the same narrow view of what it means to be an American today?

    Inconvenient truth: USSF is no affiliation with the United States government.

    Inconvenient question: Why is the American society so militaristic? Why does everything eventually get judged in terms of support for American symbols and the US military? The United States is the only western country who seems to believe military might is more important than promotion of human values and human rights.

    The hypocrisy of some posters is amazing. Just because one disagrees with the nature of the protest, one should not attempt to prohibit the protest. Many of the people who are upset with Rapinoe would be silent if the protest was one they agreed with. The idea that only views one agrees with should be heard in public is a detriment to the future of any vibrant democracy where all people are valued and respected and treated equally.

    • ABCDE

      i like your second to last paragraph.

      • mockmook

        I like the period that he used at the end.

    • mockmook

      Don’t be a maroon.

      The USA has done more for civil rights for more people than any nation in history. And, much of that doing was because of the military defeating imperialists, facists, and communists (but, I repeat myself).

      And, it’s not just the “right” who use “patriotism” as a cudgel:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyLmru6no4U

      (Of course, Obama then went on to increase the debt as much as all other previous Presidents combined)

    • guest

      nobody here is trying to prohibit megan rapinoe’s right to protest. megan rapinoe has the constitutional right to protest in public locations as much as she wants and everyone is free to attend just like it’s been done for 200 years in the united states. rapinoe does not have the constitutional right to protest on private property without the owners consent. the right to free speech is not unlimited. sports fans are paying their hard earned money to watch a sports game of their choice. forcing sports fans to watch a social protest that they didn’t freely choose to attend beforehand is very un-american.

  • FlyingSquirrel42

    I’ll say what I said in another thread: what ever happened to giving people the benefit of the doubt? Disagree with Pinoe all you want, but is it really necessary to attack her motives and suggest that she’s doing this for any reason other than what she says? Where in the interview linked in this article does she seem insincere or disingenuous?

    • anon

      like it or not, she is getting people talking. she is in mainstream news outlets. i applaud what she is doing.

      • CED

        People have been talking about the issue for along time. She is being an opportunist for self promotion, irregardless of the validity of the issue, I have yet to see a statement by her on it before this month.

        • Hwah

          In an interview I saw her give, she stated that her motivation in supporting Kaepernick came from what she saw as the racist replies and slurs to Kaepernick’s initial sitting out of the National Anthem. Given that is what prompted her action, that is why her actions have only recently occurred.

    • guest

      megan rapinoe lost the benefit of the doubt with her terrible performance at the rio olympics when you told everyone that she was “100% ready to go” and then she was actually only 15 minutes fit during the games causing wasted subs.

    • CED

      Please show anything she said on the issue of police before September ?

      • FlyingSquirrel42

        In public statements? She probably didn’t, but she was reacting to Kaepernick in this case. I did catch a snippet of a Kate Markgraf interview where she said she wasn’t too surprised by it because she knew Rapinoe to be one of the more vocal members of the team about social issues.

  • AlexH

    Jill made her expectations clear and the expectations of the federation are clear and Rapinoe thumbed their nose at them. Jill made herself look like an idiot when she put Pinoe in the game after saying what she said on national TV and so will the federation if Pinoe still suits up without a guarantee that she will no longer protest.

    Megan Rapinoe has a right to protest but no right to play for the WNT. That right is with the coach and the federation.

    • BRASILEIRO

      Ellis is just trying to keep her salary . I dont judge her so.

  • BRASILEIRO

    The brazilian and USSR anthems are the best.Who disagree is american

    • Steglitz49

      The Swedish is the best by a mile.

      • AlexH

        I have always liked “God Defend New Zeland” and “Het Wilhemus” myself. The German national anthem is nice too but I guess not even the graceful melodies of Hayden can stop it from giving people the willies.

      • BRASILEIRO

        tell the queen silvia I said “OLÁ”

  • J. P.

    I have always respected Rapinoe for her talent for the game. In this she is wrong, way wrong. If she isn’t removed from the team I will be surprised. I think she should be. I will not watch or support the team until she is removed.

    Is it true that police kill black people, yes it is. Black people kill far more black people than the police, I hear no outrage. Just look at Chicago.

    Do you pull a gun on the police that have guns aimed at you, not if you have a lick of sense. True is was a BB gun but how were the police to know that. They see a threat to their lives, they react as anyone would do. How much rioting will come from this?

    Do police act differently in a black neighborhood then a white. I suspect yes, it goes along with the crime statistics, much, much higher in the black neighborhoods, far more danger to the police. With all the BLM type activities this has gotten worse. Remember the chants “Kill Police”

    Do the police make mistakes, yes they do. If you cry fowl play every time a black person gets killed, the time it is a mistake takes on much less meaning. The only way the police will never shoot a black person is to not go into black neighborhoods. Think about what happens to those neighborhoods then.

    At 66 years old, I grew up in a time when there were racial problems in this country. A time when I was spit on because I was walking next to my black friend. This country has come a long way since those days. Is there room for improvement, yes, there always is. Disrespecting this country will not get you there, in fact it will push it in the wrong direction.

  • guest

    I will no longer support the USWNT if Pinoe is removed just for this. I’m already upset with some recent events so it’s sort of the last straw. Remove people for poor play and just stop calling them up, don’t fire them under these retroactive, shady, and arbitrary rules of behavior.

    • rkmid71

      I think that’s what I would do also. Just let her contract run out at year-end. No new allocation. I would not call her up to any more matches between now and then. Like Rampone, she still is under contract and getting paid until then … so you’re not impacting that or harming her financially.

    • CED

      She was on her way out anyway, This seems like part of ploy to complain she was cut. She is not in the plans for 2019, There are too many younger wide attacking MF options and her being gone the entire year was not even noticed. 34yr old wide attacking MF, no thanks for Wcup 2019.

  • throwaway

    Perhaps she’s protesting the treatment of black players in Seattle, where the current count is 0, after their ‘kick-her-out-of-town’ treatment of Leroux.

    • guest

      no, megan rapinoe had nothing to say about that. it wasn’t in her self-interest at the time.

    • guest

      sydney leroux makes a trade request at the end of every nwsl season. so far she has been traded three times at the end of three seasons. would not be surprising if leroux makes another trade request at the end of the fifth season. the nwsl clubs are the ones who really should be protesting the treatment they have received from sydney leroux.

  • BRASILEIRO

    The dirty talking about the badly washed

  • luke

    I liked her very much, but lost all the respect I had for her.
    She’s no more “Pinoe” to me, but “Ms. Megan Rapinoe, leftist LGBT activist” in US shirt.

    • htm222

      yeah what a shocker that a lesbian is a left leaning and an activist for gay rights

      • luke

        She has not mixed those issues with matches till now.
        I’d respected her private worldview, as long as she did not impose it on me as a match viewer. I have the right to watch soccer match in peace and not be disturbed by player promoting her worldview or ideology, that I find offensive.

        • rat

          dude you should just walk away right now because the whole of the USWNT, players and staff is a bunch of lesbians

      • mockmook
  • Ragua

    So many people seem to think that it is not possible to love one’s country and yet understand that it is flawed. Pointing out flaws in one’s country, so that they may be fixed, is actually *more* patriotic than blindly pledging allegiance.

    Striving to make one’s nation better is true patriotism.

    • luke

      I’d respected her private worldview, as long as she did not impose it on
      me as a match viewer. I have the right to watch soccer match in peace
      and not be disturbed by player promoting her worldview or ideology, that
      I find offensive.

      • rat

        address your concern to ESPN because the trained the camera on her

        • guest

          he is also talking about sports fans that pay their hard earned money and go to the stadium to watch a sports game of their choice in person. they are not freely paying beforehand to watch a social protest. forcing unknowing and unsupporting sports fans to watch a social protest is very un-america.

          • rat

            It’s absolutely very very America

          • guest

            that depends if you support the american constituition or not. megan rapinoe has no constitutional right to protest on private property without the owners consent. private property rights are a foundation of the united states. the ussf and the uswnt have already stated that they do not give her their consent. she has the constitutional right to protest in public locations as much as she wants and anyone is free to choose to support it. the us is a nation of laws. if megan rapinoe chooses to be subversive than she will accept any and all consequences.

    • mockmook

      Her employer’s “stage” isn’t the place to protest. She is “stealing” their brand and making it her own — they pay her to play soccer, not to protest.

    • guest

      no one here is saying a country doesn’t have flaws worthy of attention and correction. american citizens have the constitutional right to protest in public locations to draw attention to any perceived societal flaws. americans do not have the constitutional right to protest on private property without the owners consent. standing for countries national anthems doesn’t necessarily mean people are blindly supporting a country patriotically. that is an insulting implication. it is about showing respect to your country and your opposing team’s country during a game. kneeling down during the playing of a national anthem is doing nothing to make one’s nation better. that is not true patriotism just egoism. that is just an empty gesture that requires no action or sacrifice. the quiet warrior doesn’t need all the personal attention and recognition to affect positive change.

    • guest

      i assume you also support national team players having the choice to sit or kneel in protest during the playing of their opponent’s national anthem as well? if you support human rights you should support all human rights everywhere not just in the place that you are.

      • guest

        and if you are going to choose to kneel for the us anthem than i would expect you to also be sincere and kneel for a non-democratic thailand’s anthem whom has a very bad and getting worse human rights record.

        • guest

          and way worse than the united states record.

  • Dennis Nguyen

    I wasn’t under the impression that it was “the law” that you must stand when the national anthem is played. Because there is no law, Rapinoe can’t be legally punish by the government. The first amendment protects her from governmental prosecution unless the behavior is explicitly made illegal. However, US Soccer is a corporation and Rapinoe is an employee. If they wish to fire her, that is within their rights. When Rapinoe is “working” as a national team player, she must comply with the job requirements but she has the right to express herself and take the consequence, whatever those maybe. Sunil Gulati has been performing badly of late. He has painted US Soccer into a corner by issuing such a statement. Now, they are stuck. You can’t have an employee thumbing her nose at her employer and have the employer do nothing. That would make the employer look weak. The NFL did a much better job responding to their players’ action. Again, it shows how “small change” US Soccer is compared to the NFL. Not that the NFL is without laughable “fumbles”. Had US Soccer did nothing, or say, she can do what she wants, it would blow away but now…. I think Gulati fell for a trap.

    As far as kneeling, I think people like to think that they are patriotic, so by expressing outrage they are trying to convince themselves that they are patriotic. Patriotism isn’t something so easily earn by simply standing when a song is played. One could easily mistake peer pressure, conformity to be the reason why people behave outwardly patriotic. Let’s see how each of us are really patriotic when it really matters.

    • mockmook

      As I said below:

      Her employer’s “stage” isn’t the place to protest. She is “stealing” their brand and making it her own — they pay her to play soccer, not to protest.

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  • Ragua

    For those stating that this is not the appropriate venue for such a
    protest, I would argue that it is the *perfect* venue. Professional
    athletes have a podium that few other Americans have access to. By
    choosing to use that platform to bring attention to the social and
    economic injustices suffered by those whose issues are all-too-often
    ignored or downplayed by the media and the rest of society, then they
    are acting as true citizens of a functioning democracy. The fact that
    so many are upset by the protest itself, rather than the serious issues
    being protested, only proves the point that these protests are
    necessary.

    If these protests make you uncomfortable or angry, be
    glad that’s the worst problem you have today. Imagine if you were an
    African-American who must worry about potentially lethal encounters with
    law enforcement as you go about your daily business. Imagine if you
    were a Native America who must worry about corporations engaging in
    environmentally destructive practices in your own backyard or sacred
    areas. Imagine being LGBTQ and having to live in constant fear of being
    the victim of a hate crime.

    Being annoyed by an individual
    protesting injustice is a luxury that those who must deal with those
    injustices on a daily basis don’t get to experience.

    • mockmook

      So, you’ll be fine when a USWNT player protests all the murders of babies by abortion, right? Talk about injustice.

      • rat

        This is more fanfiction. You’re just imagining all kinds of fanciful stuff. No other USWNT player is EVER going to protest anything, except maybe their pay

    • guest

      we are stating that megan rapinoe is required to get the owner’s permission for it to be an appropriate venue for a protest. she has not done that. the ussf and uswnt have already stated that they don’t give her their consent. rapinoe does not have the constitutional right to protest on private property without the owners consent. she has the right to protest in public locations whenever she wants and citizens are free to support it. private property rights are the foundation of the united states. you either support the american constitution or you don’t.

      the uswnt is not megan rapinoe’s personal platform for her social concerns. that platform belongs to the ussf and the uswnt. she has her own social media and website platforms. martin luther king jr. didn’t make his ‘i have a dream speech” in the middle of a sporting event. he got permission to hold the protest in a public location at the national mall. a sporting event is not free like a protest. sports fans are paying their hard earned money to go to a game of their choice. they are not choosing to pay to watch a social protest. you seem to be only concerned with the rights of some citizens and not that of property owners and consumers rights. if megan rapinoe chooses to be subversive then she will accept any and all consequences.

      true citizens of a functioning democracy are informed about their not unlimited rights and respect the american constitution.

      https://www.aclunc.org/our-work/know-your-rights/free-speech-protests-demonstrations

  • Guest

    I seriously doubt Hope would have let Rapinoe kneel being the ultra patriot that she is. But Hope got suspended for being too proud of her country, so everything seems a little off with those people who support Hope’s suspension but also want Rapinoe punished.