Rapinoe on Spirit’s national-anthem decision: ‘F***ing unbelievable’

The Equalizer Staff September 8, 2016 375
Megan Rapinoe says the Spirit playing the national anthem early was "f***ing unbelievable." (Photo Copyright Erica McCaulley for The Equalizer)

Megan Rapinoe says the Spirit playing the national anthem early was “f***ing unbelievable.” (Photo Copyright Erica McCaulley for The Equalizer)

Megan Rapinoe called the Washington Spirit’s decision to play the national anthem while players were in the locker room “f***ing unbelievable.”

In an attempt to prevent Rapinoe from “hijacking our organization’s event,” as worded in a statement, Spirit owner Bill Lynch decided to have the anthem play with players from the Spirit and Seattle Reign FC in their respective locker rooms to preemptively prevent Rapinoe from kneeling during the anthem.

After the match, Rapinoe was direct in her frustration.

“It’s f***ing unbelievable,” she said, via the Washington Post’s Steve Goff. “Saddened by it.

“It was incredibly distasteful, four days before one of the worst tragedies in our country, to say I tried to hijack this event.”

Rapinoe also reportedly called Lynch “homophobic.”

Lynch said in a statement that he “has lost personal friends during overseas conflicts and has other close friends who have also lost loved ones. Playing the national anthem prior to sports events became standard during World War II and was a way to express the team’s and fan’s patriotism and show support for the U.S. Military.”

The statement continued: “To willingly allow anyone to hijack this tradition that means so much to millions of Americans and so many of our own fans for any cause would effectively be just as disrespectful as doing it ourselves.”

Rapinoe has previously stated that she plans to continue to kneel during national anthems. Seattle next plays on Sunday night – Sept. 11 – at home against the Spirit. Seattle lost 2-1 on Wednesday, leaving the Reign five points back of the fourth and final playoff spot with two games to play.

  • Steglitz49

    Seeing that there are 3 articles on the EQ on this matter, Pinoe is certainly succeeding in being the centre of attention.

    A problem might be that people miss the point she is trying to make.

    • West_of_the_Cascades

      People who pay attention know exactly the point she’s trying to make – the Spirit should be ashamed and embarrassed by this action. If you bother to play the national anthem, and 99% of the time force players (including many who are not US citizens) to line up while it’s played, have the courage of your supposedly patriotic “convictions” to endure one player’s gesture to remind the spectators that the flag and the anthem are supposedly about “freedom.” But playing the anthem while players are in the locker room so one player willing to take a stand (or a knee) can’t do so is sheer cowardice. I’m glad to say this would never happen here in Portland.

      • FawcettFan14

        Be careful. Remember what throwing around the word “coward/cowardice” can get you these days.

        • Chak Khan

          Yes, a handsome severence package deal!

          • newsouth

            LOL, Solo big dollars come from sponsors. from what I gather, they earn 150k or so during non-WC and OC years and around 250k or so during those year, pre-tax and expenses. Can anyone confirm what a retirement package looks like after 10 yrs or os on the NT minus the watch and a certificate.

          • rkmid71

            Maybe the players will now start to appreciate the value of the NT platform beyond the salary and bonus. I guess we’ll find out if those sponsors are still interested in the Solo brand ex WNT. Retirement package for NT play? Maybe they (or the USWNTPA) helped her set up a 401k or she has her own IRA. 3 months severance plus she gets paid for NWSL (even though she decided she’s not mentally prepared to play)

          • guest

            CBA/MOU requires 3 months severance pay when/if USSF chooses to end a players contract. not a retirement package

          • guest

            and quitting on your club team in the middle of a playoff race.
            i heard of people missing a game for a wedding but that takes the cake.

          • Chak Khan

            A defiant act of protest?

      • guest

        megan rapinoe has no constitutional right to protest in the workplace. however, she has the right to protest as much as she wants on her own time.

        • Constant Weeder

          Constitutionally, anyone has the right to say pretty much what they want when they want. They also have the right to face the consequences, which could involve employer action.

          • guest

            you have the choice but not the court protected right.

          • guest

            and risk the potential consequences

  • mockmook

    HA HA!!!

    See, it’s not about Rapione, right?

    I mean, if it was about all about Rapinoe she would get angry because they stole her spotlight — OOPS!!!!

  • Gooch

    My neighbor’s dog was crapping on my lawn. So I go over to talk to him about it. I torch his BMW and he comes out when the fire department shows up. “What the heck is going on?!?!” And I say, “Hey man, you’re dog is pooping on my lawn.” He looks at me like I’m crazy and says, “Did you just set my car on fire?” And I’m like, “Hey I just wanted to get your attention. Your dog is doing his business over in my grass.” Now he’s going off and practically screams at me, “What the @#%$ did you do that to my car for?!?!” So I said, “Look, I’m not here to talk about your car. I’m trying to talk to you about your dog crapping on my grass, but you obviously don’t want to discuss it so just be that way. I’m outta here.” and walked back into my house. Man, can you believe him? Some people just don’t know how to deal with the issues…

    • Steglitz49

      Your story reminds me about Charlie Wilson and his dog.

    • Constant Weeder

      Interesting that your chosen symbol of a very valuable thing is a German car. Isn’t that disrespectful to America?

  • mockmook

    Calling the owner homophobic without a shred of evidence — THAT should get her suspended.

    I never knew she was such a punk and an a-hole.

    • brdn08

      Speaking ill of another team’s owner wont get you suspende in any other sport why would it draw a suspension here. Jerry Jones has been called much worse. Mark Cuban is a consistent target. I could keep going.

      • kernel_thai

        Has USSoccer not already set a precedent that making embarrassing comments r grounds for suspension in their opinion?

        • rkmid71

          Not really. I believe Hope Solo was an unprecedented precedent. It will be hard for any player to match that situation.

          • kernel_thai

            Solo didnt plan to repeat her comments on a weekly basis.

          • NYRick

            THIS. Bingo! If the USSF stands for this they will surely prove to be an inept organization. If one big sponsor has a problem with this (and they may very well might), then bye bye Pinoe.

        • brdn08

          Why is what Rapinoe said embarrassing?

          • kernel_thai

            It paints her employer in a non patriotic light. Truth is almost nothing u can do is actually embarrassing considering the current social mores but codes of conduct r vague statements that try and cover almost anything an employer could find fault with. U never really find out how much innocuous things matter until someone thinks it’s grounds for legal action.

          • brdn08

            Last time I checked Rapinoe’s employer was the USSF. What did she say about them?

    • guest

      Is there any different reason why Spirit is the only one NWSL team without Pride Night beyond Lynch being homophobic? He is and it sucks because they are my favorite team, but they have to deal with owner who has zero respect for his gay players and gay fans.

      • mockmook

        BS. He could have any number of reasons for not having a Pride night — like the perfectly logical one that having “Pride” in who you sleep with is stupid.

        • guest

          Sounds like you’re homophobic too and not aware that you can sleep with no one and still be gay. Not everything revolves around sex, you know

          • mockmook

            OK, who you are attracted to — doesn’t change the logic.

        • Volley

          Heterosexual pride night is every night. When do herterosexual couples ever fear holding hands when walking down American streets? Gay couples routinely do in many parts of this country.

          • mockmook

            “Heterosexual pride night is every night. ”

            Why? Because you say so? I want to see a celebration — otherwise you’re not validating the heterosexual lifestyle — I call that bullying.

        • Ethan

          I think it’s more about having “Pride” in who you are, and for some people, having “Pride” in finally accepting who you are. Having “Pride” in getting to where you are despite any obstacles/challenges that may have come up regarding your orientation.

          I don’t think Rapinoe handled the situation well, but one question – why was the Spirit the only NWSL team that didn’t tweet with every other team supporting the US Supreme Court ruling in favor of same sex marriage? (I will admit that I’m unsure if they later tweeted something.) One tweet wouldn’t have taken that much. Is it silly to support a ruling that allows same sex couples the right to do something that different sex couples have been able to do for many, many years?

          • mockmook

            Heterosexuals need to have self pride too, right? And, heterosexuals have obstacles in life, too.

            Your stance on the SC is f-ing unbelievable.

            You can’t even conceive that not everyone agrees with the ruling — you haven’t taken a moment to consider the arguments from the other side.

            Here’s your assignment: Name three current or potential problems caused by the SC’s ruling.

          • Ethan

            I never say that heterosexuals don’t have to have self pride. I never say that heterosexuals don’t have obstacles in life as well. They obviously do. Notice that I say obstacles regarding their orientation. Pretty obvious condition that I put there. (It’s not like you set the standard high with your “having in pride with who you sleep with” comment. Very not “f-ing unbelievable” stance.)

            Well, the Spirit organization could have explained their stance when asked. Apparently, they just said they had no comment at the time. I was bringing up reactions to the Supreme Court ruling because the Spirit not having a Pride night isn’t the only thing that people have brought up.

            Well, criticize me all you want; I’m not going to do your assignment. I’m just saying it’s not silly that all the other NWSL teams tweeted their support. Then again, I don’t find it silly that all the other teams have had pride nights either. So, we just disagree.

            Edit: I’m well aware that not everyone agrees with the ruling.

      • Craigaroo

        This is going a bit far, saying the Spirit’s owner has no respect for his gay players. Joanna Lohman seems very happy to play for the club and the Spirit has been home to some other very prominent players who are widely known to live, shall we say, alternative lifestyles.

      • KC has never had a Pride night.

    • Lorehead

      I expect her to get fined an undisclosed amount for it.

      US Soccer might regret setting a precedent that protests at league games are free speech it won’t restrict. This particular cause is popular with the young, white, urban liberals who make up most of its paying customers, but the next one might not be—or might be something like higher pay for them.

      But it’s harder, when you’ve allowed the last controversial protest, to draw the line and give a principled reason for stopping this one.

      • mockmook

        “US Soccer might regret setting a precedent that protests at league games are free speech it won’t restrict.”

        You think? Unfortunately, I don’t believe anyone will go outside the PC-approved causes for a protest — something that would highlight the stupidity of all this.

        • Lorehead

          And one ancillary issue this puts into relief: people who consider themselves against PC can get just as upset about speech that offends them and start demanding that someone lose their jobs over it.

          That said, from her perspective, it was not so long ago that fans were complaining that anti-gay slurs at the stadium where she played ought to be socially acceptable, while rainbow flags and pride banners should not be. From her perspective, people who complain about “political correctness” are a bunch of hypocrites who at the very least take the side of people who hate her and want her to feel unwelcome.

          A lesbian can’t be against bringing “politics” to games, because treating her with any respect at all is a political issue. Maybe we can consistently draw the line about protests on the field—but easier said than done, and it would require punishing players for actions everyone agrees are fine. And someone who supports all free speech, agree or disagree, would support her this time. So what kind of person is against only her politics, and why should she care what they think?

      • GuestMode 2.0

        They’ve already dug themselves with how they handled the Solo issue. I’m sure if asked again, Sunil will take the PR that comes with CBA issue over everything else that has happened so far this year.

  • Constant Weeder

    Is it disrespectful to recognize that the country doesn’t perfectly embody the ideals it stands for? In my opinion it’s disrespectful to ignore the work we still have to do. Problem is, it’s hard work. It’s much easier and more comfortable to focus on the messenger rather than the message.

    • guest

      yes, it is disrespectful to engage in political protests in the workplace when you are getting paid to work. megan rapinoe has no constitutional right to protest in the workplace. however, she does have the right to protest on her own time as much as she wants.

      • Constant Weeder

        Several people have raised this workplace issue, and it’s totally bogus. Of course she has a right to express herself at work if it’s okay with her employer. The Constitution has little or nothing to say about the workplace. Anyway, it’s not as if she’s kneeling instead of playing soccer. And how is kneeling not showing respect? The crux of the matter is that she’s refusing to follow a custom in order to draw attention to a painful national issue that many people don’t want to deal with.

        • kernel_thai

          Side note. Her employer isnt the Reign who seem to be fine with this. Has her employer, USSF made a comment one way or the other?

          • Rufan
          • kernel_thai

            Well if Rapinoe doesnt kneel in Columbus wont Hope Solo call her “Swedish”?

          • NYRick

            Hope Solo ironically is the big winner in all this. Pinoe has taken all the negative attention off of her.

          • NYRick

            The sport of WoSo is going to be in trouble if they fall down this path. Parents, the ones who basically support every facet of WoSo for their kids (from traveling teams to even just the kid being a fan) may get pissed off by this. It’s so stupid all around and I predict this is going to really hurt the USWNT in the long run. I guarantee you that Klinsman wouldn’t allow any of his players to do this at a men’s game.

            I was the one who predicted (and you can check this from past articles) that the US was not going to medal at this past OG and was laughed at for it. That’s the thing with Pinoe, should someone remind her that the team just spit the bit big time and are not held in the highest regard right now?

        • NYRick

          Why doesn’t she just stand on her head instead? Wouldn’t that be expressing herself in a much stronger way? I would have much more respect for her protest with that. Why the kneel? Is that a quasi-respect for the flag/anthem?

  • FawcettFan14

    Stupid and immature of the Spirit to alter their pre-game routine just for one player’s political activism. They caused a bigger scene by doing this.

    Irresponsible of Rapinoe to take the situation, which she purports is about social justice issues “bigger than herself,” and make it about herself by accusing someone of homophobia with no proof.

    Come on, people. JFC.

    • mockmook

      “They caused a bigger scene by doing this.”

      It was BRILLIANT!!!

      And, as you said, it showed Pinoe for who she really is.

  • mockmook

    I look forward to the articles on EQ extolling Lynch for speaking up on an “important” issue…

  • Chak Khan

    Hypothetical question: What would happen to the NWSL and NT if all lesbian players and the perceived ones got fired?

    • rkmid71

      What would happen to the NWSL and NT if all non lesbian players and the perceived ones got fired?

    • BURN IT DOWN.

  • guest

    so if an organization doesn’t have a pride night then they are surely homophobic?

  • guest

    megan rapinoe is the self-proclaimed spokeswoman for a generation. she can cross a soccer ball very well. listen to her. she knows what she is talking about

  • Paul Klee

    Hey, Megan the playing of the national anthem before sporting events was not intended as a protest vehicle for anyone who has a grievance against the United States. I’m sure everyone in this country feels that the government has done something injust or unfair in one way or another. Yet somehow you feel especially entitled, so much so , that if someone plays the national anthem at a time not to your liking you feel even more aggrieved.

    • guest

      apparently, megan rapinoe feels she has the right to protest whenever and where ever she feels like it. but that same right doesn’t apply to other americans when she doesn’t agree with it and is not in her self-interest. then she pulls out her victim card.

  • Paul Klee

    Just a thought here. Is it possible that Megan Rapinoe planned to do a protest on Wednesday but not do one on Sunday 9/11. The reason being that since it was the anniversary of 9/11 she didn’t want to disrespect those who died. But now since she wasn’t able to do her protest in Washington if she doesn’t protest in Seattle on Sunday it’ll look like she backed down. Or now if she does protest on Sunday it will now look like she’s being especially insensitive and disrespectful. Maybe this up ending of her plans is what really set her off tonight

    • Steglitz49

      Whatever she is doing, she for sure is defelcting attention away from the Bomb in Brasilia and the USWNT’s worst result in history, for which she is owed some credit.

      • Tom F

        Living in denial is the American way; how else can you explain it as we’re going to vote in a psychopath like Trump as our Prez. Not even Hitler was voted in by the German people. He actually lost his last election

        • Steglitz49

          The bit about Hitler is not only true but he also never actually got a majority of the votes and, as you type, his support had started to slide.

          It is a bizarre election for sure in which had either of the parties found an even moderately decent candidate they would be walking into the White House. I suspect enough women will hold their noses and vote for it to make a difference.

        • mockmook

          Or we vote in a corrupt psychopath named Hillary.

          I’ll take may chances with the guy who will face INTENSE opposition at every turn versus the lady who will be cheered on by the media as she illegally dictates with her “pen and phone”.

      • Lorehead

        I thought it was the Miracle on Grass. Here in Oregon, we call the one local rivalry game in American football (Between Oregon State University and the University of Oregon) that ended in a 0–0 draw, the Toilet Bowl.

        • Steglitz49

          The B-in-B is the version for highstrung EQ commentators; Miracle on Grass is for the ROW not least the conquerors.

          The Swedes do not seem to give a monkey’s that their WNT has a number of lesbians playing for them, some of whom are married to other women and even have babies! Oth, the Swedes do not play their National Anthem before club games, only internationals.

    • mskillens

      9/11 was many years ago so I doubt anybody at the game will remember. Honestly I’m hoping she kneels.

      • guest

        many of us very much still remember 9/11

      • Rufan

        Come to the NYC area, some communities lost scores of residents. We remember.

      • Hellothere2

        You doubt anyone would remember? Seriously?

      • Constant Weeder

        I don’t know how old you are, but for me 15 years is a drop in the bucket.

        • skybolt

          Yup, that dreadful day seems like yesterday.

      • Walt D

        Unbelievable statement. I still pause and reflect on December 7 and June 6, and I wasn’t born till 30 years after the events. I’m supposed to believe Rampinoe and the NFL guy that there is injustices in the country, yet people cannot accept that some in this country appreciate what we do have here and the history that has shaped it.

    • Altius

      Um, if she can recognize that it’s disrespectful on 9/11, then she sure as hell can recognize how it’s being perceived as disrespectful every other day of the year, huh?

  • smallchief

    Rapinoe has succeeded in doing what Woody Guthrie said was the purpose of a protest: “to comfort disturbed people and to disturb comfortable people.”

    • guest

      you left out the ending of woody guthrie’s protest quote. “to comfort disturbed people and to disturb comfortable people and then give the credit to Megan Rapinoe.”

      • smallchief

        And how can we ever forget the last line of Woody’s song? “This land was made for you and me and Megan Rapinoe.”

        To borrow from that other well-known philosopher, Sydney Leroux, Rapinoe “kicks balls for a living.”

        • Steglitz49

          sounds painfull

        • guest

          if only megan rapinoe’s kicked balls ended up in the back of the net at the rio olympics…..beware of leroux selfie philosophies.

  • Lorehead

    I couldn’t help but notice at the Thorns’ game last night: all the little girls escorting the players kept kneeling for the national anthem. Has anyone ever cared before?

    • Steglitz49

      do you infer a sort of diluting of the effect as a neutralizing move?

    • kernel_thai

      Now there’s a political statement! Maybe if Rapinoe knelt in front and had a little girl standing behind her? Nah. A positive from this might be an endorsement for Rapinoe from a company that sells knee pads.

  • Lorehead

    My question for Rapinoe would be: when were you planning to say that you’d made your point, and that your protest was over for now? Does anything that happened change that? Would it really be appropriate at a commemoration of the deaths of, among others, the New York City police who ran into the Twin Towers? Were you going to wear the national team’s kit and jersey (which, to be fair, are trademarks of a private foundation and not symbols that belong to the American people), collect your paycheck to represent your nation, but claim that standing for the anthem would be against your principles?

    My question for Lynch would be: is this really going to stop players from finding ways to protest that you will like less?

    • Altius

      This. Seems like Pinoe has locked herself in here and has to continue with this protest of the anthem before every game. It’s not like she’s protesting Jim Crow laws, sanctioned/legal discrimination. It’s not like she’s protesting state-sanctioned segregation. These are concrete wrongs perpetuated in a legal setting by the government. So she’s more protesting just…the feeling of injustice? Individual wrongs done to people across the country?

      Then when does she stop protesting? When she FEELS like that’s gotten better somehow? When we have a black president? When we have a SCOTUS ruling in favor of gay marriage?

      What’s her end point, exactly?

      • kernel_thai

        If USSoccer says this is a violation of her code or conduct and grounds for suspension, and Im not saying this is right or wrong, just for instance, and Rapinoe still does it at a USWNT match, then at least she will be putting her money where her mouth is. If she ends it instead…

        • Altius

          If she wants to protest her country, why not REALLY put her money where her mouth is and refuse to play? A public demonstration of refusing to honor your country’s anthem would warrant a benching, if I was the USWNT coach. No question.

          • kernel_thai

            If u want the ultimate hypothetical, rotate the original CK protest back a couple weeks and have the US win the Olympic gold medal. Now u have the perfect stage to make a protest on the medal stand in front of millions of tv viewers. Personally, I dont think she would have done it there.

          • NYRick

            Great point. That it why it is BS. I go back to the flags waving with all the young kids in the US garb lining the streets of the NYC parade. Pinoe had no problem with the flag that day as she basked in adulation and cheers. And they weren’t cheering for her prowess as a member of the Seattle Reign.

          • Tania

            As Greg_G said below, . fighting to make your country better is the MOST patriotic and respectful thing you could do – on 9/11 or any other day.

            My own thoughts… No matter what you think of Bill Clinton, is inaugral address in 1993 was fantastic… was the start of his first time. The part that comes to mind re: this issue & why I believe folks should support Rapinoe is this bit:

            “Profound and powerful forces are shaking and remaking our world, and the urgent question of our time is whether we can make change our friend and not our enemy,” Mr. Clinton said.

            The nation had “drifted,” he said, but he added: “There is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right with America.”

          • NYRick

            Correct. A true protest is the refusal to play and represent the oppressive US country. Same for CK. Just simply quit the sport. Just like the baseball players who go on strike. Most cave after the union tells them that their funds can’t support the strike. The rich ones can stay, but the fringe well paid stars who have big mortgages and families have to “let go of the cause.”

            It’s all about money everytime. And whenever an athlete who is in a contract hold-out and such says “it’s not about the money,” it’s really only about the money.

            It can’t be understated btw that CK got payed big time last year. Much of it guaranteed. No way on the planet he’d be doing this if he was waiting for that big contract.

            Let me see Brand Rapinoe start to take a financial hit then I’ll give her praise.

          • Tania

            Here’s the thing. It doesn’t actually help the cause if she martyrs herself in the way your suggesting. So there is a point where the best thing she can do is actually to give in to her employer & stop (after serving, say, a one or 2 game suspension) when compelled to do so. Because if she goes the martyr route, as you’re suggesting, to prove she’s sincere, she loses her platform. Better to take the hit for being a ‘wimp’ who gives into her employers demands.. especially if she can leverage it into something that actually helps the cause of improving race relations, addressing police brutality.

        • rkmid71

          I’ve said elsewhere, Rapinoe may realize that she doesn’t have much time left either way and that they are going younger, so not that much money to lose. So why not go out in a blaze, help the Rapinoe brand, etc.

      • guest

        this is true. rapinoe can’t pick and choose when and where she protests the national anthem. if she is going to protest the national anthem she will have to do it everytime or risk appearing hypocritical.

      • truf

        This post right here just show the amount of common ignorance there is on this thread and in America. There is legal and sanctioned discrimination, HOW DO YOU NOT KNOW THIS? Meghan, for being Gay, can get fired from her job for being gay in the MAJORITY of states in America. Pino, as a minority in this country ( i know most of you aren’t and find it impossible to look past yourselves) knows what it’s like to be discriminated against.

        • Altius

          “i know most of you aren’t and find it impossible to look past yourselves” – assumptions on the internet are such an impressively foolish thing. Do you know any of these commenters personally?

          I’m literally asking what her end point is. What is the watermark for this protest? When is it “good enough to not protest every anthem rendition”?

        • rkmid71

          I wonder if Rapinoe would: 1. bear arms for the US when required by law; 2. perform non-combatant services in the Armed Forces of the US when required by law; 3. perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by law; 4.support and defend the Constitution and laws of the US against all enemies foreign and domestic; Etc

      • Tania

        Well she said that she was spurred on by some of the criticisms of Kaepernick that are clearly racist. So, unless someone helps her find a way out sooner, she’s going to likely need to do it through December, unless US Soccer can give her a way out. That would likely require them to be willing to be the bad guy and suspend her a game or two. Then they sit down & negotiate & work out a compromise of sorts…. she stops taking the knee, US Soccer sponsors some kind of initiative in NWSL cities to support anti racism campaigns.

        I’m spitballin’ a bit, and I’m tired so I’m low on details, but in general, in my experience that’d be the best way for all to go. This situation can be moved towards a win-win that genuinely helps address the societal issues at play.

    • kernel_thai

      The other point here is it is the NWSL is still a fragile league that needs to be nurtured. I doesnt need to be the center of any sort of controversy that alienates fans on one side or the other. This isnt the NFL where the fan base is so huge any sort of issue just becomes a talking point. Both Lynch and Rapinoe need to take his out into the street.

      • Walt D

        I agree, with attendance figures being tracked to show the health of the league and teams, personal crusades by players may turn off some fans. Can all teams afford that?

        • skybolt

          Also, keep in mind that a good chunk spectators going to these events are dads or moms taking their teenage daughters to see their favorite players, and to enjoy a nice relaxing environment. These parents may decide to skip these events all together to avoid all the controversy. Pretty soon people will be asking fans to boycott Spirit games in protest of their insensitive owner.

          • kernel_thai

            It’s a can of worms that didnt need to be opened. As I mentioned above, if someone with the following of Megan Rapinoe feels she needs to make a social commentary, the media will give her a platform. She simply doesnt need to be doing it here. Similarly, Lynch simply should have played the anthem when he wanted and not issued a statement. What is Rapinoe going to do…isnt her point of her not standing for the anthem equally achieved if it is played when she isnt there?

      • ruarc

        I know lots of liberals who are paying attention to the league beyond humoring me when I mention it. Liberals with money.

    • guest

      the only thing megan rapinoe understands about selfless…is self.

    • Constant Weeder

      I’m not sure either of them thought that far ahead. Rapinoe said she wanted to “spark some meaningful conversation,” which doesn’t seem to have happened yet. (I don’t think this is the conversation she had in mind.)

    • Tania

      My gut says possibly the end of the year, no later. I have 20 years of advocacy experience and this style of protesting doesn’t have a long shelf life for effectiveness. The shock value wears off & nobody notices after a while.

      I genuinely believe Rapinoe’s sincere in her convictions. I also believe her when she says she realizes she has a lot to learn re: the issue(s). I think & hope she’ll eventually reach out to some advocacy groups (being Canadian I can’t think what the best US choices would be) re: next steps to actually take some actions that make a difference.

      She’s a good speaker. She has the potential to be a good ally for the movement. It’s a matter of her finding the right people to guide her in the next steps. While I was initially concerned by the idea that she & USSoccer were having convos about this, I’m now feeling the opposite; I’m sensing they realize that going the Hope route won’t benefit them.

      She needs a way to stop this form of protesting that allows her to not be embarrassed or further labeled as insincere. US Soccer needs a way to manage this that doesn’t alienate either side. It’s in the interests of both (Pinoe & USSF) to not have this turn into a Hope scenario.

      • rkmid71

        From a pure soccer perspective, what if USSF was planning to deallocate Rapinoe due to the fact her performance has dropped, she’s among the older players and likely well past her prime, she still hasn’t recovered from her third ACL surgery, it’s not clear if she will ever be the player she was, etc, etc. The team is trying to prepare for the next big event in 2019. It may not be a Solo scenario, but we’re only a few months from CBA expiration. I know if I was USSF, a lot would change come 12/31/16, not just with Rapinoe. And that is based on developing the best team possible for 2019.

        • Tania

          Doubtful, to put it politely.

          Really tired of the Rapinoe bashing. Given where she is in her rehab her play is terrific. She’ll only get better. You guys underestimate her, for whatever reason.

          I’m also sceptical that the new CBA changes the current seniority system. It doesn’t benefit the players and it doesn’t benefit the USSF to change it at this point.

          • rkmid71

            I thought she was 100% in her rehab. And it’s not really Rapinoe bashing, it’s a realistic comparison to other options or players at this stage and trying to optimize for 2019. Also, what players doesn’t the current seniority system benefit? And why doesn’t making the team the best it can be benefit the USSF?

          • Tania

            My point is that all the players benefit from the seniority system.

            Re: your last sentence… it was noted in an article I read. The way the NT is marketed is very much based on the personalities of individual players… as in kids want to see Alex Morgan or Caril or Pinoe.. and it takes time as you bring in new people, to get them to that level of popularity.

      • Lorehead

        I would politely suggest that she announce that she will resume standing for the anthem on 9/11. It seems like the most appropriate time.

        • Tania

          I am totally on the fence about that. Split right down the middle. Although I’m not American, I have enough American friends to have at least some sense of what an awful experience those attacks were. Heck, I was devastated & scared…ended up seeing a counsellor on the Friday as I wasn’t sleeping. So I understand the argument that this day should only be for remembering the dead.

          On the other hand… those terrorists attacked your country for a lot of reasons. Some of it was rooted in religion. Some of it though was rooted in opposition to the very freedom, the democratic process, that as a country you hold dear. And in some ways the highest honour one can give to those people is to continue those traditions of democracy – which includes the right to peaceful protest.

          Rapinoe, in particular, has always shown respect for the military. She loves her country. Anyone who was paying attention to her behaviour at the White House visit, and then later in Hawaii, when they met the Wounded Warriors, shouldn’t doubt that. If you’re paying attention to what she’s saying, her point is very clearly that yes,this is a great country & yes there is much to be proud of. AND there is work to be done AND we KNOW better so let’s start having the conversations so we can DO better.

          And as messy & convoluted as it seems, these seemingly attention seeking, unrelated protests are necessary part of the growing pains a country has to go through periodically as it deals with these issues.

          What is interesting for me, as a 45 year old, is that I had a social psychology professor who tried to teach us this & I was left completely confused (the need for radicals people & radical action as catalyst for change). Since the election of President Obama, more & more incidents have helped me to understand her point.

          • Lorehead

            Primarily because many of those who died were police officers who acted heroically, and she is protesting police misconduct. So it’s not really the right time or place.

  • NYRick

    In just a little over one year, this USWNT program has succeeded in taking their program from their greatest high to now one where the average sports fan will only view them with disdain on how this story will be perceived.

    BTW, with the NYC Parade of Heroes for the team, I didn’t hear Megan complaining about the tons of US flags waving throughout the crowd that lined the streets that day.

    Megan is and always has been a woman with an agenda once she got a bit of profile. To the gay fans that will be applauded and defended, but not every fan of the sport cares about a Pride night and the sexual preference of the players. If that’s what you all want, then you are being exclusive. Hey maybe that’s cool and indie to an extent, but don’t complain about attendance and tv coverage ever again. This sport will forever remain fringe.

    • Volley

      Is your argument that Pride is alienating to non-gay soccer fans? Should gay players shield their sexual identity to grow the sport? Is that what you are saying?

      • NYRick

        To be honest, I never knew all the teams in the NWSL even had a Pride night. Personally, I watch sports for the entertainment of simply watching the game. Why does it have to be a cultural or sexual statement? Would it be appropriate to have a Hetero Pride night? No that’s obviously stupid. Just enjoy the freakin game.

        • guest

          Because heterosexual people didn’t have to and still don’t have to fight for their basic rights.

          • NYRick

            So explain the fight for hetero women in the workplace fighting for equality for equal pay/promotions to men.

          • guest

            You have it all wrong. The fight you’re talking about is fight of all women. Or are you suggesting that only heterosexual women should have equal pay? It would be constant with your previous rhetoric.

          • NYRick

            Yes but you said “heterosexual people.” You phrased it improperly and I pointed that out.

          • Steglitz49

            can you be improperly heterosexual?

          • anonymous

            This response makes no sense. The equal pay issue is separate. Of course the swedish troll liked it.

          • Ethan

            Okay, you have to know guest was talking about fighting for rights regarding orientation. Your comment is a little nitpicky. Non-heterosexual women have had to fight for rights regarding their orientation in addition to fighting for equal pay/promotions.

          • mockmook

            There shouldn’t be “rights” for orientation. There are only human RIGHTS.

          • mockmook

            Sure they do.

        • Volley

          That doesn’t answer my question. And as for the hetero pride night argument – yes that would be stupid because expressions of heterosexuality are universally accepted. That is not so for expressions of homosexuality. Acts that hetero couples can do in public without question are those which many gay couples fear doing because of the possible repercussions. Suicide rates for gay youths are 4 times – that’s four times – higher than for straight kids. But yeah who needs Pride right?

          • NYRick

            Hey I get it. No one is anti-gay here. At least I can say I’m not. And quite frankly that would be idiotic on a women’s soccer board and insensitive. I just disagree with Pinoe’s stand on this, which I thought originally was in support of Kaepernick. Now it is about being homophobic. My point is more that the player’s sexual preference and the fans for the that matter, shouldn’t be an issue (I get that it is for some people). I’m there to enjoy the game.

          • Volley

            But your first post seemed to imply that promoting Pride or identifying as gay would drive fans away or prevent the growth of the sport. If people don’t care they don’t care so it should have no effect. That’s what I am trying to understand.
            And accepting your above post that you do not wish to be insensitive in good faith I hope that you can accept this in good faith also – to say that there is no need for a Pride night for gay people because there is no hetero pride night does come across as insensitive and blind to the issues.

          • Steglitz49

            “Pride” in what? Proud to be an American? A merry bunch of lionesses?

          • Steglitz49

            I guess the difference between being a black (even 1/4 black) lass and a gay one is that unless the gay tells the world the world does not know but the black lady can’t hide.

          • anon

            People are constantly using the opposite argument to explain why a lot of gay people (including on our very own WNT) have never come out – that it shouldn’t need to be something that needs special attention. Hetero people don’t need to go around celebrating or stating their heterosexuality – why should gay people?

          • Volley

            I understand that argument. And I certainly don’t feel that any individual has an obligation to come out. But that does mean there is no need for a collective cause. When the suicide rates are not what I stated above or when gay youths do not make up 40% of all homeless youths (an extraordinary over-representation that indicates how many are not even accepted in their own homes and by their own families) then I’ll agree there is no need for gay representation. But that day is certainly not here yet.

          • guest

            there is a difference between promoting gay pride and calling an organization homophobic for not already having a gay pride night.

          • newsouth

            is this a joke? with camera phones, selfies, instagram, periscope, etc, etc, etc, it’s impossible for a NT player to hide a night on the town for eternity, just impossible. There are photos of a certain person at gay clubs popping up but photos of the accused person playing in chicago never, ever come up. And don’t give me big stars. The NT had/has 3-4 Class A or visible players which would be the Brute, Han Solo, Brick Feet (best of her drama) and One-Dimension. The others are Class B athletes. They just aren’t that important where they can hide from every photo device.

          • well

            Fans and even their friends and family members have documented everything Press/Heath have done for a year now, in every city they’ve spent time in. Until someone snaps them kissing in public, some people won’t want to believe it’s true. The PDA shots at the body issue shoot are probably the most telling, I think their PR team had those removed from the site immediately and an intern may or may not have been fired.

          • Steglitz49

            You could just as easily make a case that they enjoy each other’s company and that both have not yet met a man that suits them.

            Those two could well have a chuckle att all the electronic ink spilt on their alleged lifestyles.

            The long and the short of it that commentators must refrain from perpetuating malicious rumors and gossip. Facts are sacred and exchange bona fide information, not slander.

          • no.

            No, you can’t “Just as easily” make that case. It’s not normal platonic friend behavior to spend all of your available time with that person and accompany them as a date to family weddings, etc.

          • anonymous

            They live together when not with their club teams, for all intents and purposes.

          • Steglitz49

            Your evidence, please.

          • Steglitz49

            You consider it abnormal. I make no judgement on their behavior.

            Their relationship is what it is and one day we might know more details but we may never, of course. To each their own.

          • Guest

            Why is it malicious to speculate that two women are dating? Homophobic troll.

          • Steglitz49

            The phrase “malicious rumors and gossip” is generic.

            The commentators on the EQ that go on about Christen and Tobin do so with a negative slant and intent. It is not out of the kindness of their hearts. They should simply cease and desist

          • mockmook

            Are you telling me that no homosexuals are ever prejudiced against heterosexuals?

        • Ethan

          Well, if you didn’t know, then the objective wasn’t to have everyone know, right? Just enjoy the game.

        • kernel_thai

          Im sorry but uve been suspended from the EQ board for lack of Pride. U may still continue to donate however.

      • guest

        You should know by now that NYRick is homophobic. Probably because he can’t get over the fact that his favorite player is gay. You know something is wrong with a person who calls demanding equal rights “an agenda”

        • NYRick

          FU. You are a moron.

          • guest

            Your eloquence might be lethal.

          • Jill

            I agree with everything you’ve said KYRick. I’m with you, enjoy the sporting event for what it is.

          • Steglitz49

            KY as in the gel thereof? Or, NY’s answer to the Louisville Lip?

          • Jill

            Sorry, typo! You don’t miss a thing.

          • Steglitz49

            Thank you.
            Never appologize; never explain.

        • newsouth

          gossipmonger.

        • anon

          TBF, he is still a fan of Press despite seemingly being aware that she isn’t straight (which she hasn’t publicly confirmed, but I believe to be true myself).

          • Steglitz49

            “If it does not say Kellogs on the pack, it is not Kellogs in the pack”

        • Jamie

          This is a total overreaction to what he is saying.

        • Steglitz49

          I think we can agree that after the Brasilia game, Ms Press was not gay.

    • guest

      that is a very perseptive comment about the ticker tape parade flags. i said it before. the ticker tape parade went to the uswnt players heads.

    • Paul Klee

      How many NWSL teams had a heterosexual pride night this season? 9 teams apparently had Gay Pride nights but if they didn’t have a hetero pride night does that mean the owners of these teams are hetero phobic?

      • guest

        heterosexuals are not a historically oppressed minority group.

        • Paul Klee

          For a moment, let’s except your rationale. How many NWSL teams held african-American nights or a Jewish heritage night? And if they didn’t would that make the owners of the teams racist or anti-semites?

          • Ethan

            “For a moment”? It doesn’t have to be “for a moment”. It’s perfectly sensible rationale. If teams want to have African-American nights or Jewish heritage nights, go ahead. The reason why there is even discussion of the Spirit owner being homophobic is because every other team tweeted in favor of the US Supreme Court ruling and every other team apparently has had Pride nights. If only one team didn’t have an African-American night or a Jewish heritage night (and members of the team are African-American and/or have Jewish heritage), I’m sure there would be some discussion of racism and/or anti-semitism.

          • Paul Klee

            So you are all right with the entire league being racist and anti-Semitic. Because these groups are being excluded (Jews and blacks) while Others (gays) are welcomed. So maybe not having any groups given preferential treatment is more tolerant on Washington’s part then the rest of the league selecting certain groups for discrimination for and against.

          • guest

            apparently, kc doesn’t have gay pride night either. guess rapinoe didn’t get to them yet.

    • Terry Lash

      What surprises me is that Jill Ellis, US Soccer management, Julie Foudy, etc have not raised concerns about Rapinoe’s actions and statements. Certainly her words criticizing the owner of the Spirit were not “classy,” to use a word that Foudy threw at Solo. Why is it that the leadership of US Soccer is willing to condemn Solo, but not Rapinoe? In fact, Plush decided to challenge the Spirit owner for his action, thereby supporting a WNT player over an NWSL team owner. Strange behavior for someone supposedly representing owners and all players. The action by the Spirit owner did not cut off debate about minority rights–it cut off a focus on Megan Rapinoe. After the game she could have held court before fans before they left or during the egress.

      • NYRick

        USSF is making a huge mistake ignoring this. If they think some magic dust is going to sprinkle on it and it will go away, they are sadly mistaken. As a huge fan of the sport I’m now having second thoughts on it. And I’m a fan. Isn’t the idea to try to grow the sport? All the goodwill they bought last summer is going to quickly evaporate. Yes, the country is politically charged at this time in a variety of areas, but most people view sports as an excursion to the pressures of society and the various agendas. You can turn on cable and check the 3 channels for non-stop political rhetoric on every topic every night.

        If Rapinoe wants to do something, have her agent arrange for an interview with ESPN or SI. She is now turning her protest into a gay rights protest, which is not anything she said on day 1 when she said she “wanted to continue the conversation.” What conversation? Be specific, not a sheep.

        • kernel_thai

          Generally, public protest is a way for anonymous members of the public to voice their concerns. If u already have an available platform to express ur views u dont need public protest.

    • guest

      That was quick. There’s nothing so predictable as watching the PC bots descend anytime somebody says something they don’t approve of. Sympathies, Rick.

  • anon

    What is Rapinoe going on about now? Didn’t the Spirit have a ceremony and wear the rainbow for the Orlando victims?

    • Guest

      I don’t agree with what the Spirit did but Pinoe is jumping the shark for me with these comments.. accusing someone/an organization of being homophobic? Has she been taking lessons from Solo on how to sound like an asshole in the media?

      • brdn08

        Well we don’t know specifically upon what she bases that opinion.

    • FawcettFan14

      Yes. When Orlando Pride came to the SoccerPlex in June, they had a moment of silence, stopped the game in the 49th minute to applaud the 49 victims who died, and painted “We Stand With Orlando” with a rainbow ribbon on the grass near midfield.

      • FawcettFan14

        *when I say “applaud the 49 victims who died,” of course I mean they were clapping in a respectful way to honor them, not to cheer their deaths. That should go without saying, but just want to clarify.

        • kernel_thai

          It’s too late…Rapinoe is already planning to protest ur previous comment.

          • FawcettFan14

            Damn it!

  • guest

    only someone as self-absorbed as megan rapinoe would link 9/11 with her kneel down protest.

  • Guest

    Genuinely curious – do most NWSL teams have a pride night? Is this a league thing that the Spirit, specifically, are not participating in? I’m gay and my employer does not host a pride night, but I don’t think they are homophobic because of that. Weird inflammatory comments from Pinoe, even though I don’t think the spirit should have altered the opener

    • guest

      Yes, all the teams except Spirit have Pride nights.

      • mms

        When the homophobic accusation was put out there, I asked what the basis was. The only replies I received were that the club failed to tweet #LoveWins and they have yet to have a Pride night. I was thinking there must be something else (like an actual example of discrimination), but clearly for some people that’s enough.
        On some levels I get it. I have attended over one hundred women’s sporting events. Homosexuals make up a good portion of the fan base at these games. Why not show support with a Pride night?
        On the other hand, NOT treating any one group special seems the most fair and equal thing an organization could do. Maybe this is a terrible example, but what if a team had a heterosexual pride night? Wouldn’t that make some people feel unwelcome or uncomfortable? Why separate your fan base? Maybe by not celebrating and separating out one group, the club is ultimately saying all are welcome here.

        • Terry Lash

          Although your example is not good, I agree with your basic point. Owners naturally want everyone to feel welcome at games. The fan base is barely big enough to support the league as it is. Further, notwithstanding the optimistic talk about expansion, so far finding owners is not easy for NWSL. Instead of publicly criticizing the Spirit owner, Plush should have been diplomatic and recognized the rights of owners. He could have, and should have, supported equality for the gay community. Or, as is his usual way of behaving, just not have said anything. The biggest problem with WoSo is the absence of competent leadership.

      • Nope. FCKC doesn’t have Pride night.

        Thought to be fair, the majority of the supporters’ group (and every other team’s supporters’ group) are gay, so it’s kinda like every night is Pride night if you think about it. I mean, we are talking about women’s sports here. 😉

    • AlexH

      More importantly, could a player on any of the NWSL teams refuse to participate in pride night? What would happen if they decided to take a knee during the national anthem in protest of the recent legalization of gay marriage? Would they be hailed as courageous? Would Megan Rapino defend their right to free speech? I doubt it.

      • NYRick

        This is a very intelligent comment and so true.

      • guest

        She would vehemently and loudly disagree with them and she would be justified in doing so.

        • NYRick

          Just curious, why? Isn’t the person disageeing (for whatever reason and I’m not saying they are right in that instance) have the same first amendment rights as Megan does with her protest? You can’t pick and chose the cause to suit your interest or like. Weren’t we just defending/or not defending the right to protest when this all came out?

        • AlexH

          But that’s not the question I asked. Of course she could and would disagree with their stand but would she defend their right to do it?

          • anon

            Probably, looking at the core free speech argument, they would have the “right” to do it but it could be viewed as hate speech.

          • NYRick

            Maybe you’re right on that. Not sure legally, but let’s say I protested against a BLM demonstration (much of what I think is hate speech), I would be ridiculed for it. Left movements don’t allow for free speech to the contrary. It’s either you are with them or you are racist, homophobic, xenophobic or chose the phobic of your choice. Just the way it is in American society today. And it’s ridiculous.

      • guest

        no. you can not do that. that would be homophobic. nobody has the right to be homophobic.

        • NYRick

          Hate to break it to you but’s that’s really dumb. If someone wants to be homophobic, they have every right to be. You, me and majority may not agree with that or think it appropriate, but it is their right.

          • AlexH

            Indeed, the whole concept of freedom of speech, thought, etc is absolutely meaningless if it only applies to things that everybody agrees with.

        • mockmook

          Do you even know what the word means?

          It isn’t homophobic to believe that the SC used poor legal reasoning and it has opened a can of (legal) worms with its Gay Marriage decision.

    • Ethan

      Something that’s telling and adds some backing to Rapinoe’s suggestion is that the Spirit was the only NWSL team not to tweet a message supporting the US Supreme Court ruling legalizing same sex marriage. Apparently, when asked, they said, “At this time we do not have a comment on this matter”.

      http://www.thebentmusket.com/boston-breakers/2015/7/3/8886717/nwsl-teams-ussf-tweet-support-gay-marriage

  • VaFan51

    Just curious — How many still feel this was wrong?

    https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2016/09/03/gettyimages-113491379_custom-fe5b00dc8f2b7b159b62a9782f1aba31e948d103-s800-c15.jpg

    The current situation reminds me so much of what happened in 1968. Nixon’s “silent majority” came out of the woodwork to rail loud and long against this “un-American” action, while remaining very quiet about American men and women, most of whom were black, being intimidated or beaten or killed for trying to vote or walk down the street or express themselves. Somehow, the “sanctity” of the national anthem was more important to these people than protecting the actual rights of every person in the “land of the free and the home of the brave.”
    How far we have come.

    • AlexH

      That happened 50 years ago, in a different world with different challenges.

      BTW those guys took a real risk for doing what they did whereas taking a PC stand in this day and age assumes no risk whatsoever.

      • VaFan51

        Really? A different world?
        The jury is still out on that “no risk whatsoever” thing.

      • newsouth

        LOL. around the world American law enforcement is being viewed at the NA version of….

      • Steglitz49

        Who is Pinoe’s Peter Norman and would she attend his funeral?

        • Rufan
          • Steglitz49

            clearly not unless I am missing something

          • Rufan

            No, I knew who you meant (he won the silver), but just read up that he did know what Smith and Carlos were planning and supported it.

          • Steglitz49

            Smith and Carlos travelled to Australia for his funeral. they were pallbearers and spoke.

            Norman came up with the idea of making do with one set of gloves.

            The Australian Track-n-Field guys refused to send Norman to Munich in 1972 so he could not defend his silver. Australia has since apologized on behalf of those losers. In 2000, Cathy Freedman lit the flame.

        • Hwah

          You’ve got it backwards, Pinoe is Kaepernick’s Peter Norman (her actions were in support of Kaepernick, as Norman’s were in support of Carlos/Smith). As to whether he would attend her funeral, who knows.

      • FlyingSquirrel42

        So I guess all the vitriol being thrown at Pinoe on this board and on social media is what “no risk whatsoever” looks like?

    • mockmook

      The Democratic party was the power denying blacks the right to vote in the South — nothing to do with Nixon.

  • anon

    But it’s not about you, right Pinoe?? Only it is. It always was.

  • guest

    I don’t know. The first protest by Rapinoe against the anthem seems sincere. But multiple times? Looks selfish and indulgent: too much calling attention to oneself.

  • guest

    The Seattle Reign are on the verge of missing the play offs. They could use a little more scoring from Rapinoe and perhaps a little less protesting.

    • rkmid71

      Didn’t Seattle recently explain that Rapinoe is still working her way back to full fitness after her ACL surgery? Of course, two months ago Rapinoe declared that she was 100% fit, ready to go to JE despite not playing a competitive game with Seattle or the WNT before the OG. How does Rapinoe explain that? Or JE? They should have just been honest that they were giving Rapinoe a free ride on this (despite the 18 player roster and tight schedule) like others at the WC. Not sure how that would have sat with the alternates. Losing, on top of the the fact she wasn’t able to do protetst, was problably like salt in the wound.

      • kernel_thai

        Harvey called her “20 minutes fit” though she played her for more than 30.

  • guest

    The longer Rapinoe continues to protest in this manner then it begins to parody itself: easily dismissible and even mocked. There’s Megan Rapinoe taking the knee in protest of styrofoam cups which hurt the environment.

    • guest

      somebody needs to start making some rapinoe kneeling internet memes.

      • NYRick

        I don’t get the kneeling thing. Didn’t CK originally just sit during the anthem. Now he kneels, and now Pinoe has to kneel too? Absurd really. Sometimes we need to call out the charlatans in society and tell them we aren’t going to play along.

        • Steglitz49

          Joan of Arc? Maybe she hears voices too?

  • Miami66

    Kneeling during the anthem on the 15th Anniversary of 9/11 this Sunday would not be the best idea…

    I’m not so sure kneeling at all helps improve anything. There are other ways to raise awareness like getting out in the community or pestering politicians until they’re forced to take action. But I get the idea of wanting to raise awareness of a problem.

  • Walt D

    Megan, please resign from the US women’s national team if you feel that strongly about the matter. Flag, Anthem, USA Jersey and colors are all inter connected. Your sacrifice would be noted.

  • kernel_thai

    So assuming u can hear the anthem in the locker room at the Plex, Rapinoe could have simply knelt there and protest completed…of is it like the tree falling in the forest and someone has to be there to see it?

  • skybolt

    Does Megan Rapinoe understand how volatile the NWSL is with respect to viewership? Are the owners really making any significant money from this league? If I owned one of these teams and was potentially facing a PR nightmare, I may decide to pack my bags for greener pastures. This is not the NFL where new owners will easily come aboard and spend billions of dollars to acquire a team.

    • kernel_thai

      At some level Rapinoe has to understand that her efforts to support this cause may have the adverse effect of hurting the league and that most players in that league dont have that big USSF paycheck to tide them over. The league is heading into a crucial time when there is nothing on the NT table to drive the league popularity until 2019 WC. This is a bad time to stir the pot. Being a star on the very popular NT gives her a built in platform to get her opinions on social issues out to a wide audience. She simply doesnt need to be doing it in the NWSL.

      • skybolt

        Exactly. If for instance Megan was protesting something specific to the league, where minorities are not given a fair shot to compete, then I would completely understand her stance. However, bringing bad press to a fragile league and a vast majority of players making bare minimum wage, is very self serving IMO. It’s almost like me bringing a bunch of reporters to my work place and complaining about how minorities are treated in this country, even though the company I work for does a great job in hiring and promoting minorities. In Megan’s case it puts the league and its owners in a negative light even though they may be doing everything right. Rapinoe is turning into Ryan Lochte Version 2.0.

      • anon

        I don’t know how she is hurting the league. Do parents not want their kids to see someone protesting? It doesn’t affect the play. She should not have called the owner/Spirit organization homophobic – that went too far.

        • AlexH

          I think it is up to the owners to decide what helps their teams and what hurts their business.

        • kernel_thai

          Im sure parents have varying views but in any kind of business u want the least common denominator. U dont want parents having to make a decision based on something one player is doing.

    • USMNTfan4life

      Very true and realistic statement. Soccer is a hard sell for many people.

  • strange, no?

    So a prominent professional athlete came up with an idea about how to protest what he perceives as a systemic mistreatment of blacks by the whole American country. Rapinoe, unable or unwilling to think of something original, decides to steal the protest method and use it to draw attention to her pet peeve. She finds nothing rude or disrespectful about this.

    • Excuses..Excuses

      Ding..ding, we have a winner! Of course, she doesn’t find this rude or disrespectful.orientation aside, she is still a member of the privileged set. This has nothing to do with protesting injustices to blacks or people of color. Her stand is shameless, self-promotion at its finest. Glad that I’m not the only one, who sees this phony for what she is.

  • AlexH

    Oooh she used the F-word, I wonder how many months she will get suspended for?

  • guest

    Where is the article on the CRS/FCKC match?

    • kernel_thai

      Werent the Breakers, Dash ans KC pushed into the same article?

      • guest

        I dont think so. No mention of either CRS or KC in that article, strangely.

      • Ethan

        Game reports weren’t. The Breakers-Flash draw mathematically eliminated the Dash and KC; that was why the Dash and KC were mentioned in the article. I haven’t seen the Press goal because I didn’t watch the match, but apparently, it was a beauty. That itself makes the Equalizer have to write an individual article on the game.

  • Guest

    https://twitter.com/linzsports/status/773889495271890948

    Many veterans including this one at the Spirit game do not agree with the sentiment that Rapinoe should not be allowed to make this stand. Many including, this one, seem to indicate that this is exactly the type of freedom they are fighting for.

    • skybolt

      Great! So perhaps they can just drive out the owner and have one less team in this league. Great victory.

      • Guest

        How is Rapinoe driving the owner out? That doesn’t make any sense at all. If he choses to remove himself from the league over an issue like this it is his choice. But I don’t think he really understands exactly what it is veterans are fighting for as the veteran who provided these quotes pointed out.

        • skybolt

          What I’m saying is that in a fragile league with a limited fan base, the last thing you want to do is create 2 opposing sides, especially if they both have legitimate causes. Half the fans may agree that the owner is being homophobic, while the other half will see this as a positive move in his passion for his country. The league does not need this division at this point potentially driving fans away.

          • Guest

            In this case Rapinoe is not the only party responsible for forcing fans to chose a side. Bill Lynch’s choice to take action and play the national anthem while players were in the locker rooms was just as integral. If this action drives fans away from Washington Lynch is just as responsible for it if not more so than Rapinoe.

          • skybolt

            True, but the owner is damned if he does anything and damned if he doesn’t. He may have felt that a majority of people attending the match would see Rapinoe taking a knee as anti American, and acted accordingly to avoid the issue. I can imagine a 12-year old girl asking her dad why Megan is kneeling instead of participating with everyone else during the playing of the national anthem, and the dad having to uncomfortably explain why.

          • Steglitz49

            Go with the flow. Roll with the punches. Remind them of Brasilia.

          • anon

            Why? It’s never too early to learn to stand up for what you believe in. I don’t think Megan kneeling is “uncomfortable”.

          • Guest

            I may not agree with the avenue and platform Rapinoe has chosen for her protest but I respect her right to do so. As long as the Reign and USSF says that she is in the clear, her actions are okay with me. I think the assertion that Rapinoe’s actions are anti-American are completely incorrect. I think that the ability to speak out in this country on issues you may have with it is one of the greatest things about living here. I don’t think there could be anything more American about what Rapinoe or Kaepernick are doing regardless of whether or not I agree with their actions.

          • skybolt

            You don’t, but obviously a lot of other people do, just like the military person took offense to what the owner did, while others applaud him. Taking you or myself out of the equation, there’s still a genuine divide between how fans feel about this subject. All I’m saying is that the league is too fragile to lose even 10% or 20% of its fan base, whether they are in the right or wrong. Maybe we can put our argument on pause and see if some fans attending the US match against Thailand will boo Megan’s actions.

          • Guest

            If it starts to negatively impact attendances I’m sure action will be taken. I don’t really see Rapinoe kneeling as a catalyst in turning away 10-20% of NWSL crowds. I could be wrong but I don’t see silencing Rapinoe via league mandate as a necessary evil. That would disappoint me far more than what has already transpired. I understand the concern for the league but I can’t support action that would effectively muzzle Rapinoe. Right now, that’s probably what it’s going to take to stop her.

    • guest

      megan rapinoe has no constitutional right to protest in the workplace. some people may be unhappy with the washington owner’s decision but that is his right. just like one military veteran doesn’t speak for the opinions of everyone in the military. just like megan rapinoe has the right to protest the flag whenever she want’s on her own time. some other people might not like that but that is her personal right.

      • Guest

        Rapinoe is not employed by Bill Lynch and does not play for the Washington Spirit. If Seattle has a problem with what Rapinoe is doing that’s one thing. So far they do not so Rapinoe is free to protest whenever she suits up for them. This is a terrible argument.

        • guest

          she does not have the right to protest in washinton’s workplace.

          • Guest

            It’s an event run by the league and workplace to both teams. Their is no match is Seattle doesn’t show up. Bill Lynch has the right to do what he did just like Rapinoe has the right to do what she did and I have the right to criticize both of them. To me Bill Lynch looks like a child having a tantrum.

          • guest

            rapinoe has the choice to do what she wants but she doesn’t have the constitutional protected right in the workplace. if the nwsl mandates at some point in the future that everyone has to stand then rapinoe will have to stand or face the consequences just like the rule in the nba. these are private organizations. of course everyone has the right to their own personal feelings.

          • Guest

            Where did I say that Rapinoe has the right to do whatever she wants in the workplace. If Seattle or the USSF or the League tells her she cannot protest there will be consequences if she choses to anyway. That is not what happened here. In this case an owner changed the national anthem ceremony opening tradition because of his personal views on Rapinoe’s actions. I don’t understand how anyone can see Lynch’s actions any different from Rapinoe’s except that, in my opinion, they came across as significantly more petulant and in poor taste.

          • kernel_thai

            Or maybe she could ask. Hi, Im Megan and Im trying to raise consciousness for social change. Do u mind if I protest during the National Anthem in ur park?

        • rkmid71

          Seattle or USSF? She’s suiting up for Seattle under contract with the USSF.

          • Guest

            I think she should have an obligation to both organizations.

    • KG

      Hmm. I’m a veteran too. I think individuals have all the freedom to express whatever they want to in their individual capacity. But employers have every right to dictate what constitutes appropriate behavior and expression when individuals are acting as their representatives (and I hope U.S. Soccer realizes this and takes this into consideration). And Lynch has no obligation to provide Rapinoe a platform to publicize her sadly misguided political views, regardless of her right to hold them.

      • Guest

        Like I articulated below, Rapinoe does not work for the Washington Spirit and just because the venue is in the Spirit’s home ground does not mean it is not a shared event by both teams that is run by an overseeing league office. As far as I’m concerned Bill Lynch hijacked an event operated by the league to make his own political statement.

  • anon

    I just have a bad taste in my mouth about Rapinoe because of the olympics. I think it is largely her and Jill’s fault we lost. It’s hard to walk away from an olympic opportunity but it would have been the right thing to do.

    • Guest

      It is mostly Jill’s fault, and some off play by everyone, really. I think Rapinoe should have removed herself but I wasn’t at training. The fact that she still isnt’ 20 minutes fit is shocking, so it is hard to believe that she was all that impressive in training.

      • Terry Lash

        Rapinoe had no business going to the OG, but, yes, that mistake is primarily on Ellis. Rapinoe’s presence on the squad (instead of HAO, for instance), however, probably did not make any difference in the final outcome. Ellis is not up to coaching the USWNT in competitive environments like the OG. She does not show a capability, such as Sundhage, in planning for an opponent, and more importantly she does not know how to make adjustments during a game in terms of formation or players on the field, when things start going south. She is no better than an assistant coach at the NT level.

        • AlexH

          I don’t blame a player for wanting to play. The fact that Rapinoe got a roster spot and then was actually subbed in and later subbed off in a knockout game is entirely 100% on the coach.

          And having HAO on the bench might actually I have made a difference if for no other reason that Jill would not have had to remove her and she would have been given 1 more opportunity to blindly stumble onto a move that might have actually been successful even if only by dumb luck.

          • guest

            OReilly would have been glued to the bench like Krieger. I dont think Ellis would have put her in the SWE game, which would have been for the best because Heath would have stayed at wing.

          • AlexH

            Maybe, but the fact remains that had HAO had Rapinoes spot Jill would not have been able to stupidly put her in the game and then have to sub her off. That in and of itself would have helped the team.

        • #1Fan

          i see your point, but why do you absolve the p[layers? These are SUPPOSED to be some of the best players IN THE WORLD. and yet they failed to adapt and perform. I put it squarely on the players. Its hard to make tactical adjustments for poor play. The one area I blame management is in the Lloyd factor, but that monster was created at the WC and now it is out of control

          • rkmid71

            It’s on the players, but also JE and USSF management for creating or enabling such a flawed, incestuous, protected system of NT selection. They selected those players. I guess the justification has always been that the team won “enough”. What it’s led to is a narrowing of the gap between the US and ROW despite the huge US advantages on the women’s side.

          • #1Fan

            controversial thought his may be, I think the ROW has always produced more technical competence. if you want that, you have to select more youth . The training and coaching is far better than it was in the USA and our youth is benefiting from it.

          • Steglitz49

            Jessica Samuelsson, the best defender in Rio. her Cv for a 24 year old is more than impressive.

            As for Stina Blackstenius, Fridolina Rolfö and Pauline Hummarlund? What can i type?

          • kernel_thai

            Im very pleased how excited u r about team failing to win the Olympics. Last time the team u were backing settled for silver u seemed to feel the officials mistreated them. This is a sign that the therapy is working : )

          • Steglitz49

            Beating the Germans is a tall order. Ask any Hungarian or Dutch.

          • Steglitz49

            Garbage. Did any established USWNT player go to JE and voice concerns about Pinoe’s fitness? Did any of the crowd from Seattle?

            Maybe Hope kept stumm — and now is seriously pissed off that she did not put her hand up?

          • Terry Lash

            I agree you have a valid point. But the players’ performances are also on Ellis to some degree. A key part of the coach’s job is to get the team ready for a tournament. Did Ellis motivate, inspire the players? Did she warn them adequately about over confidence? I don’t know, but the performance of the team suggests that whatever preparation she gave them was inadequate.

          • #1Fan

            i can assure you that the prep is more than good. In fact maybe over worked. Prep is not the issue for them. I really think in game adjustments and soccer IQ are. The younger payers far less so than the older ones. i keep doing it, but Lloyd for me is the killer. As soon as you put her in a position like that , she becomes the brains of the team to a large degree and she really is not up to it . I will go on record saying that IF you remove Lloyd, the US wins.

          • guest

            replace lloyd with press playing centrally and the US wins.

          • #1Fan

            I agree

          • Steglitz49

            Not gonna happen after Brasilia.

          • Nope

            Nope, it’s the future. Press is currently proving she is the best we have in the forward position. Carli Lloyd is history.

          • Steglitz49

            If you believe that, you believe anything, like that pigs have wings

          • Steglitz49

            Maybe they need to get laid more?

          • #1Fan

            sorry to double up, but to me its that simple. Lloyd kills the US team. Thats the one decision I blame on management. Nothing else

          • rkmid71

            They had to have known for over a year that Lloyd just wasn’t cut out for that position. Nothing she did in NWSL or VT and friendlies with the NT in the months and months that followed the WC. No one else was even given much opportunity. And that was based on 15 minutes in the WC final where she scored on two set pieces and miracle shot from midfield where the goalie fell down? I also blame management bringing a bunch of injured, unfit players with Rapinoe being top of the list.

          • #1Fan

            As the rgeat Meatloaf once said

            “you took the words right out of my mouth …..”

            Im actually;y laughing out loud based on how accurate your Lloyd summary is . esp the GK falling down part. its spot on. That is the gift that Jpn left the USA . They made Lloyd undroppable.

            The gift that keeps on giving.

          • Steglitz49

            Brazil took Sweden apart 5-1. Sweden’s biggest defeat ever.

            The US underestimated Sweden for obvious reasons but the worm had turned and those turnips were not so green as they were cabbage-looking. Maybe the Swedish lasses remembered their compatriot in 2014: Kalla picked up the gauntlet and the rest was her story as it was for them in Brasiili though the ref crew did their damnedest.

          • #1Fan

            i rally dont think they underestimated Swe. I really dont. I just think they were not good enough.

          • Steglitz49

            That is a compliment to the Swedes.

            Jessica Samuelsson is now the greatest defender in the world.

          • #1Fan

            yes and no. I compliment the Swedes tactics and their guts, however the US were bereft of ideas and poor on the day and still , with some quality, could have created more than enough to win .

          • Steglitz49

            Good grief! It is like saying that Hungary could have won in 1954 or Holland in 1974 let alone the US in 2011.

            The result is what it is. The turnips prevailed.

          • DNG

            Are you talking about the starting XI and subs that were used(I suppose tactics as well)? Or do you not think the US had the right players at the tournament to beat Sweden? I think they could have won with the personnel there if there had been some changes to the starting XI and perhaps the tactics as well.

          • Jamie

            There was a starting XI there that could have beat sweden. Rapinoe had no business coming in at all. Carli should have been used as a sub. Press should have started with Morgan and Dunn. Defense is a continuing problem but I still think US could have won.

          • Steglitz49

            Think what you like. Many of the USWNT had played with and against those Swedes at club level. Tony G coached many of them at Tyresö. Even so the USWNT could not hack it. They must stop blaming others for their own shortcomings and failures.

          • Steglitz49

            Lloyd got booked in the 110th minute in Brasilia. About 90 if not 100 min too late. There is one law for some and another for others.

        • kernel_thai

          Considering the way they generally handle Brazil, who wasnt scoring at all and Germany who they have owned for a while, u could easily say one goal against Sweden might have meant another gold medal. If u dont think HAO can sill create one goal ur not watching. She created two last night. Also, she can make a PK.

          • Ethan

            No real disagreements, but she can also miss a PK (i.e. high pressure for the equalizing goal against the Flash in the first game).

          • Steglitz49

            Which “she”? “She who must be obeyed”? or, the cat’s mother?

          • Steglitz49

            What are you rabbiting on about?

  • AlexH

    What Rapinoe does not seem to get is that it is the team owners’s choice whether or not their teams become a platform for one cause or another. They have every right not to provide her with a platform for her political agenda. Quite the opposite, as an employee she is getting paid to promote whatever image the team owners want her to promote.

    • guest

      Sure but then the owner should come out and say he is personally offended and he made this choice because he is personally offended. He should not hide behind a PR statement claiming that Rapinoe’s actions offend so many fans.

  • uswnt fan

    Self-important narcissist. Really tired of her.

    • #1Fan

      but that is the prevailing character of the team. Very little time spent looking in the mirror or thinking what the consequence of actions may be. To be honest they thing they are far more relevant than they are.

      • uswnt fan

        That’s not true of many of them. But the humble ones don’t self promote or tweet updates as to their every bowel movement. So the narcissists get most of the ink.

        • #1Fan

          i agree, but i said prevailing character – the faces on that team are all the vocal ones.- its elf promoting. The narcissists as you put it also get most of the endorsements 🙂

          • Bruce

            Isn’t that true on every professional sports team?

            Except my beloved San Antonio Spurs, of course.

          • NYRick

            The Spurs had Tim Duncan as their gold standard leader for 20 years. You will never see that again probably in the history of sports. One of the greatest and true superstars who gets so overlooked in history it is beyond laughable.

            Plus they had the no-nonsense team first guy in Pop. The modern day Herb Brooks.

            You are lucky to be a Spurs fan. An amazing franchise run first class top to bottom.

  • ladywing

    This isn’t about the OG or Hope Solo. This about a fine American tradition of nonviolent protests. You may not agree with the protest personally but she has the right to protest and deal with the consequences. The consequences are sometimes getting dragged down steps by security (1970) or waiting in the dressing rooms because the Pooh-Bahs are embarrassed by you. She can only control herself, not her organization’s reaction. Welcome to protesting.

    • AlexH

      I may also add that the Pooh-Bahs could tell her to stand and fire her if she did not. That would also be a consequence of protesting especially when it is done on somebody else’s dime.

      • ladywing

        True, and sadly even non violent protest is risky but essential.

        • Steglitz49

          Pinoe declared herself fully fit for Rio. It could be argued that she wasn’t but JE bought her line.

          The US had its worst tournament ever in Rio.

          A bit of humility might not come amiss.

          • rkmid71

            And just to remind people, humility is not thinking less of yourself, it’s thinking of yourself less. I wonder what Pia is thinking of all this nonsense. Probably not a care in the world, strumming on her guitar.

          • Steglitz49

            The Swedes do not seem to care whether the members of their WNT are merry or gay, married to women and even with babies. The land of Birger Jarl and Engelbrekt rules OK.

    • guest

      does america have a fine tradition of nonviolent protests during work at the private workplace? or are the nonviolent protests on the streets in public? you do not have a constitutionally protected right to politically protest in the workplace. you can be fired with no legal recourse. of course you still have the choice to do it anyway and accept whatever consequences come with it.

      • guest

        i wonder if there have been any black lives matter protests at apple or google headquarters this year by their employees during work.

      • ladywing

        Yes, I thought I made clear that there are consequences.

  • NYRick

    This board was a helluva lot more fun when we were arguing about CP not starting or Carli thinking she was the best player in the world.

    This is why sports and politics don’t mix. There are plenty of other places to find causes and agendas to support. Seriously, doesn’t everyone hate it too when the Hollywood idiots take their political stands? Just make your movies and enjoy your freakin money. Enough of your BS. The US is not a perfect place and has it’s problems, but in relation to the rest of the world, it’s also not the worst place to be.

    • brdn08

      That doesn’t mean we can’t keep working to make it better and if you don’t like her protest you’re entitled to any number of reactions including this post. I enjoy when people speak truth to power. It’s the only way that we succeed in making this country better.

      • mockmook

        EXACTLY what truth is she speaking and what “power” is she speaking it to?

        “That doesn’t mean we can’t keep working to make it better”

        We probably have nearly opposite ideas on what would make America better — so whose ideas should prevail?

        • brdn08

          That she empathizes with Kaepernick’s feelings and agrees that people of color have not and in many ways continue to not have equal protection of and sadly, from the law in this country.

          The fact that people disagree doesnt have to be an impetus to progress. The fact that some people give up on compromise or have no ability to value the opinions of others is what keeps society in this ridiculous tit for tat, back and forth squabbling.

    • Steglitz49

      I agree. And not a slur on Christen, Tobin or other single ladies.

      I confess to being critical of Christen and an admirer of Tobin’s ability with freekicks. All Sweden must have yelled in unison each time Carli took a freekick away from Tobin.

      I just wish that Tobin would confess that it was the big man himself who taught her how to take freekicks at PSG. The alternate explanation, that Aya Miyama taught Tobin is too pedestrian for me.

    • David K Anderson

      Then be part of the solution, not part of the problem: stop posting about politics.

      • Steglitz49

        Pinoe started it.

      • NYRick

        This thread and the other are about Pinoe. She made it about politics, I didn’t.

        • Guest

          Bill Lynch did as well. I don’t think it’s a stretch to say that he compounded the issue and has made it worse.

          • FlyingSquirrel42

            He must be getting PR tips from USSF. Next up: fine Julie Johnston $5,000 for tying her ponytail the wrong way.

        • David K Anderson

          Yes, and…? Doesn’t mean you have to participate in the off-topic political codswallop. Politics ruins everything it touches.

    • uswnt fan

      Pinoe might want to consider that she’s standing in solidarity with someone who’s a big Fidel Castro and Malcolm X fan. I doubt she’d find Cuba or the Muslim nations more hospitable to her when it comes to her human rights.

      • anon

        These arguments are weak and reaching for something that isn’t there. Just because she is protesting a specific issue doesn’t mean she wants to join ISIS or doesn’t appreciate the benefits of living in the USA. We have a right to peaceful protest in this country.

        • Steglitz49

          Americans also have the right to sell videos of animals being tortured to death. Only Judge Alito dissented. Great man Alito. Drink his coffee!

        • uswnt fan

          In Cuba she would likely be jailed for protesting against the government. In many Muslim nations she would be straight-up executed for being gay. She’s standing with a guy who idolizes a Cuban Marxist and a ‘by any means necessary’ Muslim and against a nation that protects a) her right to protest the govt b) her life c) her right to live as she pleases as long as she’s not breaking the law. Irony much?

    • Greg_G

      First, those “Hollywood idiots” you rail against are Americans who are free to join the discussion about how their country treats its citizens. Any attempt to deny them that right is un-American. And Sports and Politics have ALWAYS been intertwined: the Nazi Olympic Games, Ali being stripped of his titles because of his anti-war stance, the US boycotting the Olympics in 1980, and the USSR doing the same in 1984.

      And to say that while the US isn’t perfect we shouldn’t try to improve it is extremely lazy and dangerous thinking. What if we took that stance when blacks were still enslaved, or women couldn’t vote? We should always work to make this country better than it has been. Just because someone has it worse doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try to be better. If someone makes less money than you, should you never ask for a raise?

      • NYRick

        1. Hollywood idiots/celebrities (sports, fashion etc.) have a bigger voice than the rest. Let’s not try to pretend that isn’t so. And I would guarantee you that most don’t know about 75%+ of the real issues of what they are dealing with or talking about. They are simply removed from reality and I don’t want to hear from them. I never said anything about denying them their right to speak. They just have a bigger platform and they pander to an audience which will help their careers. They will never protest to the right, that would ruin their careers. That’s fact. That would take real courage and conviction. Show me the big Hollywood name who has openly supported anything other than a leftist or socialist cause in recent years? I’m waiting.

        2. Making the country better. The age old argument. Tell me what have you done recently to make the country better. Do you want to compare now to 1960 in the US? You don’t think we’ve come far as a country in terms of civil rights? Once again, not perfect, but I think perfect for a liberal means a socialist utopia where the wealth is redistributed. If that were the case, Venezuela would be a superior country to the US, no? Socialism doesn’t work. The US works and has worked due to creative capitalism. Until the current government regime took office 8 years ago I always believed that you can be born here and become anything you want to aspire too. Some of course have easier paths, but it is possible. Now I no longer believe that. I think we are soon becoming a police state. It’s not too far off.

        • Guest

          “I think perfect for a liberal means a socialist utopia where the wealth is redistributed.”

          That certainly is not what perfect for all liberals is.

          Here is a different article about the issues going on in Venezuela.

          http://www.mintpressnews.com/us-led-economic-war-not-socialism-tearing-venezuela-apart/218335/

          Socialist policies certainly don’t work for everything but there are example of successful socialist programs around the world. Mixed economies are by far the preferred system for western countries as both Socialism and Capitalism have limitations.

          • NYRick

            Socialism will never work for a country the size of the US. It will destroy it (see USSR). BTW, you should check out an HBO show I recently saw called, “Red Army.” It is the plight of some of the great Soviet hockey players to break away from the USSR and play in the NHL. It is mind-blowing and gives good perspective on sports and a police state. That’s why I just laugh when I see CK and Pinoe protesting the anthem.

            CK had no problem standing for the anthem at the SB when he viewed himself as a rising star and before he got his big contract. Pinoe had no problem with the US flag when thousands of kids were waving them to her and drowning her in adulation at the NYC parade. Then it was all good. And she wasn’t getting that parade as a member of the Seattle Reign. As I’ve said, they have every right to protest. Peaceful protest for change. No problem with that. My main disagreement is doing it in the work place and politically holding it over their bosses who really can only look bad is they so much as disagree. And Pinoe is really hurting the bulk of the players in the NWSL who make peanuts if there is a backlash. That’s selfish. CK has to go a long way to hurt the NFL.

          • Guest

            Nowhere did I say that the United States would be as successful of a nation as we are if it ran on a completely socialist economy. The mixed economy they currently have is by and large able to check itself.

            The USSR was never really a communist country. Once Stalin came to power the Soviet Union became a totalitarian state/dictatorship with a flawed economic system doomed to fail. If you want to bring up Nazi Germany as another example National Socialism or Nazism is very different from Socialism on fundamental levels. Hitler of himself hated socialism and privatized key industries that helped get him into power and make Germany a military power.

          • FlyingSquirrel42

            I also don’t buy the notion that modern neoliberal capitalism truly creates opportunity for everyone in any but the most theoretical way, i.e. *if* you can overcome all the different ways that the system is rigged against people who don’t come from privileged backgrounds, then no, there’s no law specifically saying that because you started out poor you have to stay that way. I’m not sure that pure socialism in the sense of nationalizing industries or implementing a planned economy would work in the present day, but I think that the U.S. could have a stronger social democracy along the lines of what they have in a number of other Western countries. There’s no reason that a stronger social safety net can’t coexist with some level of market competition.

          • Guest

            I agree.

          • mockmook

            Sure, you can have socialism — but you can’t have liberty and socialism.

        • FlyingSquirrel42

          “Hollywood idiots/celebrities (sports, fashion etc.) have a bigger voice than the rest. Let’s not try to prevent that isn’t so. And I would guarantee you that most don’t know about 75%+ of the real issues of what they are dealing with or talking about.”

          Did giving people the benefit of the doubt get outlawed while I was asleep? Of course not every celebrity who speaks up on political issues is a policy expert, but neither are half the bozos in Congress.

          It also bugs me that there’s been a rush to label Rapinoe as somehow insincere (not necessarily from you in particular but I have seen it in some of the posts here). Say what you want about her, but none of the interviews or behind-the-scenes videos that I’ve seen give me the impression of a deceptive or cynical person. I did catch a snippet of a Kate Markgraf interview where she said that she wasn’t too surprised because she’s known Pinoe to be one of the more vocal members of the team about social issues.

          She (Pinoe) may not have thought this through as well as she should have, hence backing herself into a corner over the upcoming 9/11 issue, but is it too much to assume for the time being that her reasons for doing this are what she says they are?

        • Greg_G

          Who is pretending that they don’t have a louder voice? No one. Don’t start with the straw man arguments and putting words into peoples’ mouths…it’s not an intelligent way to discuss issues.

          And how would you know what they do and don’t know about real issues given that you don’t even want to hear from them? And what makes you think that non-celebrities are any more informed? Stupid generalizations and stereotyping aren’t going to win you anything.

          Saying celebrities shouldn’t speak on social/political issues and then saying you aren’t trying to deny them the right to speak in hypocrisy at its finest.

          There are many outspoken conservatives in Hollywood, including Kelsey Grammar, Charlton Heston, Gary Sinise, Jeff Foxworthy, Jon Voight, Vince Vaughn, and others. So, your belief that they don’t exist is wrong. Hope you didn’t have to wait too long.

          What have I done to make this country better? Funny that instead of listing what you have done, if anything, you attempt to catch me out as if I haven’t done anything. Beyond preaching the core tenants of American society, as opposed to railing against them as you have, I have done charity work, supported causes that seek to make this country more tolerant, and given money to support those that are working to make this country more tolerant. I’m not stranger to protests and petitions. So, what exactly have you done except for rail against liberal Democrats, celebrities, and anyone who doesn’t agree with your warped view of America?

          You’ve done nothing on this board but prove to everyone that you are a radical, right wing, conservative with little understanding as to how our nation works, or what our history is. You try to shut down opinions that don’t mesh with yours and silence people who you find threatening. There is no more un-American attitude than the one you have shown us today.

          • NYRick

            I’m un-American because we disagree? Isn’t your viewpoint then un-American in principle because my freedom of speech upsets you. You contradict yourself.

            Also where did I label you as radical as you’ve done to me? You can have liberal beliefs and stances, that’s all fine with me. I don’t view myself as radical by any means. Just someone who now sees the FBI, DOJ and State Dept. bought and paid for and corrupt to the core. That is truly depressing. Maybe it always was, and I never noticed it before. I’m also a person who loves my country but now sees it as one that has gone off a cliff. And I didn’t grow up rich or privileged by any means. Also, you have no idea what I do or have done for charities etc. If you have done good work, good for you, that’s admirable.

          • Greg_G

            I didn’t say you were un-American because we disagree, I said it because your argument runs counter to the very principles which this country stands for: freedom of speech and thought. You know very well what I wrote and your attempts to butcher my words are transparent and pathetic.

            You’ve spent your entire time here railing against liberals and Democrats, touting every conspiracy theory you’ve ever heard, and claiming that the country is one the verge of collapse. Of course you’re a radical. Everyone can plainly see it.

            And, no, neither I nor anyone else on this board have any idea what you’ve supposedly done for charities, etc because you’ve never bothered to say which is exactly what I called you out on in my last post. Look, it’s painfully apparent that you’re not in a position to reevaluate your beliefs, nor see the hypocrisy, contradictions, and anti-American sentiments in your statements therefore I won’t bother to continue to reply to your posts and clog up this board. But the last thing I will mention is that the President of the United States of America, who you not-so-subtly blamed for the ills of this country is, in fact, a Constitutional lawyer who has forgotten more about the laws and rights of this country than you or I will ever know.

          • NYRick

            Is this the same constitutional lawyer president who called all Americans “lazy” yesterday and has been on an 8-year apologetic tour bashing the US in Europe and Asia at every turn?

            Speaking of lazy, just how many rounds of golf has he played since in office. He should be trouncing Phil Mickelson by now with all that practice. They don’t call him King Putt for nothing.

    • Steglitz49

      Tell that to the girls in the DDR whose health were ruined. or all those cyclists, athletes and swimmers victim to organized cheating.

      • AlexH

        Huh? Aren’t you making NYRick’s point? The DDR is exactly what happens when politics and sports do mix.

        • Steglitz49

          Lance Armstrong seems a more relevant example. He is an American and he had a choice to refuse. The girls in the DDR did not.

  • guest

    The definition of protest is to express disapproval of something. Part and parcel of an effective protest, is that:

    a) you need something important to protest about – in this case both CP and MR have been clear that they are protesting institutionalized racism and homophobia, respectively, that deprives subgroups of citizens of their rights. They are not protesting veterans or the USA in general. The claim that they are doing so (Lynch) is a straw man.

    b) you need an audience – this is why their protests are public and they are using their positions as (relatively) high profile athletes to give voice to low profile citizens whose voices are not heard.

    c) you need to have people react to the protest – that’s how you know it is working.

    There is nothing more American than civil disobedience and dissent. I appreciate that MR was willing to risk public wrath to show solidarity. Stay strong girl!

    • skybolt

      So would you recommend each of us bring cameras and the media with us to our respective workplaces to protest something we’re against? No one is arguing Megan and Collin’s right to protest, but if I did something like this at the company I work at, I fully expect my employer to combat my actions.

      • Guest

        If the USSF and Seattle Reign want to end their business relationship with Rapinoe over this matter that is their choice. The Reign have shown support for Rapinoe so far and I guess we’ll have to wait and see what the USSF does.

        • skybolt

          Definitely to be continued, which makes the match against Thailand on the 15th very interesting. I expect to see a pre-match interview with Megan.

  • FawcettFan14
    • Guest

      Good article. I definitely agree that Rapinoe cannot substantiate her accusation that Lynch is a homophobe. She was wrong to make that accusation.

    • kernel_thai

      My comment to BDs article

      Im confused. Rapinoe refused to stand up
      during the National Anthem as an attempt to urge social change. Did
      Rapinoe stand for the anthem last night at the Plex? No. So what is the
      complaint? Not only didnt she stand but about 35 other athletes
      inadvertently supported her by not standing either. Seems like a win for
      Team Rapinoe.

  • Greg_G

    It always saddens me to see how little so many Americans understand about the nation they live in. First, neither the flag nor the anthem are military symbols. We don’t live in a military state nor have we ever. Second, our military fights to protect our freedoms, including those of free speech, free thought, and the right to peaceful protest. Third, our nation was founded upon protest and dissent and the rejection of tyranny and oppression.

    Lynch’s actions on Wednesday were a cowardly and un-American attempt to silence to rights of American citizens to speak out in constructive and peaceful ways about injustice. That the man spouts on about his military connections – and that he runs a team in the American capital (a capital, we should remember, named after a slave owner) – yet doesn’t seem to understand the first thing about the very freedoms those soldiers fought and died for is stunning.

    And for those who believe that protesting on 9/11 would somehow be disrespectful to the memories of those who died, remember, they died because of intolerance and hatred. Their legacy shouldn’t be that of sadness and blind patriotism/jingoism, their legacy should be that we all become better citizens by not tolerating the injustice and inequality around us. Fighting to make your country better is the MOST patriotic and respectful thing you could do – on 9/11 or any other day.

    • AlexH

      Lynch has rights too. He is in no way obligated to give anybody else a platform. He is paying for the anthem ceremony and he has the right to do it his way.

      Oh and EQ has just suspended you 6 months for using the word “cowardly”

      • Bruce

        My issues: Lynch’s right to enter the fray outweighs his interest in running the club. The NWSL needs owners with thicker skin who are focused on growing the league . No serious sports league is run by management that gets this distracted this easily.

        • Steglitz49

          Barcelona?

      • Greg_G

        No one is arguing that Lynch doesn’t have rights. They are arguing that he is being un-American in trying to suppress free thought and free speech. And for that he can be criticized. His lack of understanding regarding how this country came into being, and what freedoms the military that he so loves fights to protect is ridiculous. His actions don’t make America greater, they echo the same intolerant, oppressive actions that “enemies” of our country impose on their citizens.

        • AlexH

          Lynch isn’t supressing anything. Rapinoe, you, me, nobody has a right to protest at their job. He has every right to see that a ceremony that he is paying for goes the way he wants it. People of course have every right to call that un-American but they would be wrong. People could also call not standing for the national anthem un-American and they would be right.

          • Guest

            Calling Rapinoe’s actions un-American is absolute nonsense. It would be hypocritical of me to call Lynch’s actions as un-American given my views on Rapinoe’s. Both made Political statements at the work place. Rapinoe’s actions have been approved by the Reign and Bill Lynch can do what he choses since he owns the team. I do see Lynch’s actions as incredibly petty considering his position of power.

          • Greg_G

            You have to understand that not standing, singing, or placing your hand over your heart is not required by law in this country. Rapinoe not standing for the flag or the anthem is not mandated and is protected “speech” by our laws. No one is required to salute either at their job. The only reason Rapinoe not standing is a protest as opposed to a senior, or someone in a wheelchair, or someone who just can’t be bothered to stand not doing so is that Rapinoe has labeled it a protest. She has every right to do so despite what you claim. And as long as your protest doesn’t interfere with your ability to do your job or anyone else’s ability to do their job, you absolutely have a right to protest at your job. People picket, march, wear certain clothing or accessories, stage sit ins, and much more.

            By attempting to keep Rapinoe from having an opportunity to do so is most certainly suppression by Lynch and un-American in its attempt to silence her voice. He easily could have released a statement disagreeing with Rapinoe’s actions while at the same time acknowledging her right to them but instead he tried to prevent her from taking action altogether. That’s suppression of freedom plain and simple. Until you understand this point, you won’t understand what a free America is.

          • NYRick

            It’s funny that liberals bring “laws” or the constitution into things when it suits their argument. Otherwise if it doesn’t, the constitution was just created by those crazy old white guys that people lovingly refer to as “our founding fathers” 240 years ago and no longer pertains to today.

          • guest

            Your responses are really weak dude. That doesn’t address what Greg is saying.

          • guest

            that’s because what he is saying is false.

          • Greg_G

            This doesn’t even make sense. If you want to know who has done more to violate Constitution law in this country and shown little respect for the protections and rights it provides, look no further than the political right.

          • guest

            actually all nba pro athletes are required to stand for the national anthem. and if they don’t stand they get fined. and the nfl could certainly mandate that all players have to stand as well. even though they don’t require it now. nice story though.

          • guest

            it appears a bunch of new megan rapinoe trollls have just signed up on to the site in the last day. probably doing a little PR megan rapinoe damage control.

    • Paul Klee

      So anybody should protest during the national anthem if they feel the United States government has done something unfair or unjust . Since that would include everybody in this country everybody should just sit or take a knee during the playing of the national anthem and then during or at the end of it scream out their particular grievance. Maybe they should just stop playing the national anthem altogether but maybe that would just be a side benefit of the constant protest.

  • AlexH

    I think it is time to just scrap the national anthem ceremony altogether. If it is now acceptable to sit it out if you don’t like the way things are going then why bother? There isn’t a person alive that doesn’t have some beef with this country so I guess going forward half the people will be standing and half will be sitting and maybe somebody will be giving a Nazi salute while others will be wearing Groucho Marx masks because it makes some sort of statement in their mind. And they will all be “courageous”

    • Guest

      Not going to lie, I will consider sitting out myself for the next four years if Trump is elected.

      • AlexH

        So basically there is nothing that unifies us. So why bother pretending? I actually don’t think it would be a bad thing if pro sports no longer got to claim that it some how transcends our day to day issues. It would make it that much harder to justify using my tax money to build stadiums for billionaires.

      • htm222

        This election is going to be dirty and horrific.

        • AlexH

          “Is going to be??????”

          I think you missed just about every other verb tense in the dictionary my friend.

        • David K Anderson

          Already has been. Electronic voting and utterly corrupt officials mean that your votes are just for show, folks…just for show.

          Can we talk about soccer now?

  • truf

    How many people posting here are heterosexual white folks?
    It’s a rhetorical question, i know 99 percent of you are.

    • guest

      what is the importance of race, gender and sexual orientation on a soccer discussion site? or are you here just for megan rapanioe favorable public image work? do you have any thoughts on the nwsl games? don’t worry, that was just a rhetorical question.

  • guest

    You might want to check your crystal ball there, hoss. Lesbians ship women’s soccer like tweens ship One Direction.

  • truf

    Amazing display of patriotism in the truest form. My Grandfather, father, uncle all served in wars they wanted to be part of and also wars that had nothing to do with American rights or freedom. And I assure you they are and would be proud of her. Meghan is a true patriot. Until the LGBT community become equal citizens i applaud her. REPUBLICAN SENATE, STOP VOTING AGAINST AMERICAN RIGHTS. http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/283531-house-gop-leaders-block-lgbt-vote-after-orlando-shooting

    • guest

      looks like we have another megan rapinoe fangril troll that just signed up to the site to do public relations and protect megan rapinoe’s public image. i look forward to reading all non-soccer posts on this socccer site. what do you think of the uswnt lineup for the next thailand game?

  • guest

    the equalizer seems to be currently experiencing an invasion of megan rapinoe fangirls and rapinoe paid public relation trolls. here is an informative webpage detailing the american citizens right of freedom of speech.

    https://www.aclunc.org/our-work/know-your-rights/free-speech-protests-demonstrations

    you have the right to protest in public locations. you do not have the constituional right to protest on private property without the owners consent.