Rapinoe kneels during national anthem in ‘nod to Kaepernick’

Jeff Kassouf September 4, 2016 279
Megan Rapinoe knelt during the national anthem on Sunday in support of Colin Kaepernick.

Megan Rapinoe knelt during the national anthem on Sunday in support of Colin Kaepernick.

Megan Rapinoe knelt during the playing of the United States national anthem on Sunday to join Colin Kaepernick in his stance for justice.

Rapinoe’s action was “a nod to Kaepernick,” John Halloran reports. The Seattle Reign FC and U.S. women’s national team forward knelt during the anthem prior to her team’s 2-2 draw with the Chicago Red Stars on Sunday at Toyota Park in Bridgeview, Ill.

“Being a gay American, I know what it means to look at the flag and not have it protect all of your liberties,” Rapinoe said. “It was something small that I could do and something that I plan to keep doing in the future and hopefully spark some meaningful conversation around it. It’s important to have white people stand in support of people of color on this. We don’t need to be the leading voice, of course, but standing in support of them is something that’s really powerful.”

Rapinoe’s “nod” refers to San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick, who decided not to stand for the playing of the national anthem during the NFL preseason in protest of racial inequalities and injustices in the United States. Police-related violence is part of that protest, Kaepernick says.

“I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color,” Kaepernick said last week about his decision. “To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder.”

  • Kaley

    Say what you’d like about her play this year as she comes back from injury, but I admire the hell out of her for constantly standing up for what she believes in.

    • mockmook

      Hitler believed in something too.

      • Hwah

        Godwin’s Law invoked!! We’re finished here!:)

    • guest

      i guess this means megan rapinoe is gonna start wearing kaepernick’s fidel castro shirt during the post-game interviews as well. castro was always a strong supporter of gay rights.

      • guest

        she need’s to remember to wear kaepernick’s malcolm x hat too. malcolm x was also a strong supporter of gay rights in his muslim faith.

        • NYRick

          Valid point #2.

        • guest

          especially a nation of islam muslim

      • NYRick

        Valid point #1.

      • NYRick

        You know the defenders of Pinoe on here probably think you are just being a smart ass. But you prove an incredibly interesting and simple premise. She is not educated to the overall issue, nor is she well read on what exactly the protest is about or what exactly she is protesting in this instance. Stupid is as stupid does.

        Megan do yourself a favor and google LBJ’s “Great Society” reform laws back in 1965 that has basically been the Democrats root cause for nearly all the problems and decay of urban cities in the US. Please forward a copy to your buddy, Colin, too. This is at the heart of any issues blacks should have regarding oppression. Yet they keep voting in the same parasites year after year who feed off of them for power. It’s disgusting. But it’s an issue the MSM won’t touch because the power brokers controlling the media would fire them immediately if they revealed the true facts.

        • Avoiding the Issue

          Blaming Dems for the actions of blacks is cowardly. Why are blacks getting shot to death by cops? Do you hire blacks?

          • mockmook

            “Why are blacks getting shot to death by cops?”

            The same reason whites are shot to death by cops.

    • Rufan

      or knelling down.

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    • D R Allen

      If she believes (like that EXTREMELY misinformed multi-millionaire Kaepernick) that “persons of colour” are being oppressed by the Police (when the REALITY is that in COURT it was found the cops responded appropriately to provocations from thugs committing felonies) that’s her business (and her right as a citizen).

      But doing it on a venue provided by her employer (Seattle Reign) or her Nation is UNACCEPTABLE. She should either apologize to the MILLIONS of citizens she has falsely slandered, or resign from the team(s) and do this “protesting” on her own dime. I am amazed that the nation’s policemen aren’t incensed about these false accusations (and doing something about it).

      We spectators are paying to be entertained, not indoctrinated.

      • Tikitaka

        You do realize that the COURTS have been backing the wrong doings of the police for many many years, right? This is not to say that ALL police are bad, that would be ridiculous and it’s a shame that people think that of all law enforcement.

        And who has she falsely slandered? For those that have done nothing wrong, this isn’t about them. This is about people who abuse their power and those who think it’s okay to turn a blind eye.

        • D R Allen

          It was was in the Courts that ACTUAL evidence (not these Mass Media fantasies) was presented that BEYOND A DOUBT demonstrated the criminal intent of the perps. The beloved Trayvon Martin was found to have been the one who “assaulted [Zimmerman] with the intent to kill” (not the other way around as the American MSM would have you think). Eric Garner died as a result of his VIOLENTLY resisting arrest for the FELONY of violating his bail conditions (whilst awaiting trial for other felonies). Micheal Brown was another felon whose criminal record was kept hidden from the public (and also dispatched whilst committing capital assault).

          In ALL of these media frenzies, the LEOs involved were slandered (and libeled), falsely accused, their lives threatened, and their careers ended due to their LEGAL (and justified) response to the criminal activities of perps who were NOT the sort of people you want your celebrity athletes endorsing! :-O

      • NYRick

        Both Kaepernick and Rapinoe are absolutely selfish in their protest. If they want to protest, fine. So be it. But not in their employer’s uniform without their consent. I own my own business and if one of my employees wore a hat or t-shirt with my company logo and staged a political protest I would fire them on the spot and let them come after me with the ACLU lawyer of their choice.

        • FlyingSquirrel42

          But I’m guessing you also don’t require your employees to sing the national anthem or otherwise participate in activities that could be construed as political as part of their everyday work duties.

      • Get Tough Policy

        Sieg Heil! The police should teach her a lesson! Vote Trump. Forget the 1st Amendment. If you don’t want to be indoctrinated then plug your ears during the racist Star Spangled Banner.

        BTW, you misspelled color, or maybe you aren’t American.

        • mockmook

          “racist Star Spangled Banner”

          Because it used the word “glare”, am I right? So tiresome.

          • Disgruntled

            The original Star Spangled Banner has a verse endorsing slavery. We may not sing it in modern times, but it’s in there.

            It’s beyond me how people can’t understand that enforced symbolic patriotism is inappropriate at sporting events. Growing up in the 70’s and 80’s in NYC, my friends and family NEVER stood during the anthem, and we had plenty of company. Knee jerk nationalism has zero to do with our support for any domestic team or sport.

          • guest3

            The third stanza of “The Star-Spangled Banner” reads

            No refuge could save the hireling and slave From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave: And the Star-Spangled Banner in triumph doth wave, O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave

            The British, who were invading the country, offered freedom to slaves who fought against the Americans, hence the reference to “hireling and slave.” But not exactly a ringing endorsement of slavery.

        • rkmid71

          Street Sense is a paper written by homeless in Washington DC. 75% of price supports the vendors helping them overcome poverty and homelessness. In the opinion page of the Aug 24 issue, a guy writes that black men are tired of African Americans crying about police brutality while staying silent about black on black crime. Tired of millennials who throw temper tantrums when they can’t get things for free, and tired of political correctness and groupthink. They want to be freed. They don’t support Trump because they like or agree with him. It’s a vote against elites that claim to be our betters but got us into intractable wars, massive deficits and turned virtually every American city into warzones. Clearly, not every African American is voting for Clinton.

          • Gary Diver

            “It’s a vote against elites that claim to be our betters but got us into intractable wars, massive deficits and turned virtually every American city into war zones.”

            1. Trump has never said he is against using military force or going to war. In fact, his implication of a stronger approach against ISIS may involve US ground forces. Using force is part of the American DNA independent of party.

            2. Trump is NOT a small government advocate. His budget may explode the national debt. Not only is he the “King of Debt”, he is claiming because of low interest rates now is the time to borrow. Massive deficits under Trump may become more massive.

        • D R Allen

          No, I spelled colour correctly, it is you YANKS that need to learn to spell! 😀

          BTW, in the most recent election, I voted UKIP

  • Ashley C

    It’s fair to say that throughout their history the USWNT has been pretty white – especially juxtaposed with teams like France and to some extent Canada. A lot of that has to do
    with the pay to play system but I’ll leave that issue for another day.
    Anyways – I say all that because it was really nice to see Rapinoe show
    support for Kaepernick even though it’s not necessarily something she herself can relate to on race. Although Pinoe has faced her own struggles as an
    out athlete, it’s important that anyone who calls themselves an ally actually use their fame and power to shed light on difficult issues and conversations. So again, good for Pinoe.

    • Kevin

      Are you insinuating that the USWNT is ‘pretty white’ due to racism or oppression?

      • Kaley

        Systematic racism in our country that makes it hard to minorities to afford the pay to play system.

        I can count on one hand the number of black players in the history of the USWNT…

        • NYRick

          How many hands do you need to count the number of black NBA and NFL players making large sums of money in America? Did you know that the NFL is 85% black. The NBA is 91% black. Now if they are the best players then no one can or should say peep about it. But did you ever think that maybe, just maybe, black athletes in the US (for whatever reason and we can fill pages on this) may not be the best soccer players?

          Can you imagine telling LeBron James or Steph Curry, “ah, Steph you are not starting for us all season. We have to put the white guy in at point guard because having you in makes us a racist team.”

          • Hwah

            Actually, the ability to make great sums of money in the US for males in the NFL/NBA/MLB explains why lots of folks go to those sports (both black and white).

            This argument is completely irrelevant to the USWNT and development of young female players in the pay-to-play youth development system for the team..

          • NYRick

            Respectfully you are kind of wrong on that. I do understand the pay to play youth development point, which is a valid one. However, this is an extremely complicated and highly political topic to get into really. I respect that you are obviously an intelligent person, but one of my short takes on it is simply that the young black athlete emulates a LeBron James far more than even a Jose Altidore or a Tim Howard. That is who they want to aspire to. Soccer is not the sexy sport for a star black athlete in the US. If it was, the US would be strongly competing to win the WC every 4 years, not just make a good showing.

          • Breakers fan

            A few months ago I was talking with a black guy I work with – a guy about 30-35 – ex-athlete, still fit, intelligent guy from a poor part of Boston – Roxbury – about soccer and black participation in it. I was saying “man, just imagine if all the great black point guards in basketball, college, pro, all the cornerbacks, running backs and defensive backs in football played soccer, how good of a team the US could have”. I know that’s simplistic and completely ignores realities in American life about opportunities to play soccer for poor black youth, but I just wanted to see what his response would be. I then asked “do you think it could happen, will it ever happen?” He just smiled and shook his head “no”. Now I wish I had delved more into what his thinking was behind that nod.

          • USMNTfan4life

            They go where the money is. Simple as that. 🙂

          • NYRick

            BTW, I was reading an interesting article a couple of years ago about the lack of the black athlete in MLB. When you look at it, since the 60s and 70s where there was a boom of star black baseball players, the black athlete now is almost invisible in MLB, once again for a variety of reasons too in depth for this comment board.

        • Ethan

          The pay to play system has definitely made it hard for minorities, but how many fingers do you have on one hand?

          • Kaley

            Well, off the top of my head I can only think of Dunn, Scurry, Boxx, and Leroux

          • Ethan

            I also thought of Tina Ellertson, Mallory Pugh, and Angela Hucles, and I think more black players have been called up or capped in the history of the USWNT.

          • Guest

            Saskia Webber as well

          • Breakers fan

            Who was the Olympics women’s soccer commentator who did play by play in a few games? She spoke critically of Solo’s post-game Sweden comments on the air. I’m 99% sure she used to play for the USWNT and she is an African-American woman.
            Tiffany Roberts is another.
            Still a low number overall.

          • Breakers fan

            Just thought of the answer to my own question: Danielle Slaton.

          • Guest

            Daneille slatan

          • Lorehead

            Christen Press.

          • Steglitz49

            Is Christen Press really seen as coming from a minroity — unless you consider coming from a high earning part of CA to belong to a minority.

          • Ethan

            We’re talking about racial minorities, and mentioning Press is appropriate. I didn’t mention her because Kaley’s counting on one hand comment focused on black players.

          • Steglitz49

            Thus, ARod and Cox (née Lopez) are minority players too.

          • Ethan

            Yes, they are.

          • Steglitz49

            Good. Excellent. Glad to have that cleared up.

          • Lorehead

            You’ve probably noticed that Americans don’t bring the subject up much, but her father and her grandfather sure were.

          • Steglitz49

            We are discussing Christen and other US players, not their ancestry. The question might be rephrased thus: Could they “passe blanc”? as they used to say in the Big Easy back in them thar days.

          • Lorehead

            Newsouth made a pic a few years back about how she “looks Brazilian” (as if anyone looked more American than her).

          • Steglitz49

            Brazilian like Marta, Mônica, Formiga or Cristiane?

          • Guest

            Danielle Slaton

          • Guest

            I guess one drop of black blood makes you black in racist America.

          • mockmook

            Who are the ones who are most interested in counting/sorting people by race?

            It wasn’t Ethan who brought it up — it was Rapinoe’s “allies”.

          • Walt D

            Danielle Slaton, Angela Hucles, Jaelene Hinkle………..

        • mockmook

          Maybe it is systematic culture, and systematic politics.

          In many black areas, the black culture wants their youth to behave “anti-white” — they are expected to behave in ways that virtually guarantee they won’t progress in life.

          Also, Blacks are concentrated in urban areas. Urban areas have voted Democrat for at least 50 years — the results haven’t been encouraging.

          • Tricky Dick

            The Republicans have been running against the Big Bad Black Man (i.e., criminals) since 1968 and Nixon’s Southern Strategy of getting poor white men to vote on race lines and not their economic interest.

        • mockmook

          What is a “black” person? How can we discuss something when we can’t even define it?

          • Karl Rove

            The slave power defined race a long time ago in this country. Stop playing dumb. You know what black means.

          • mockmook

            Thanks for your nonsense answer — just illustrates my point.

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  • Hwah

    It will be interesting to see the response to Rapinoe as opposed to the response to Kaepernick.

    • guest

      the worst thing imaginable for megan rapinoe…would be to get no attention.

    • thedefect

      It’ll be less outrage for a lot of reasons, but the most obvious one is it gets less attention. I would also say that the people likely to watch and follow women’s soccer may be a bit more progressive in general on certain issues like this.

  • Fightin’ Amish

    …and we givashit because?

    • rkmid71

      This was my reaction as well. Rapinoe has begun to bore me.

    • guest

      i guess because kaepernick is a backup quarterback who will be out of the nfl in a year.

  • Jim

    Send her packing like Solo.

    • ruarc

      Why? Cause she used her right to political protest? That she thinks it’s BS there is so much hate and inequality in the USA???

      • Paul Klee

        So if she was protesting laws against having sex with children, you’d be fine with that? That would be her right as an American. She has the right to be a cop hating anti-white racist (which is what BLM IS), just as I have the right to condemn her and those who support her for being cop-hating anti-white racists.

        • Hwah

          Wow. Just wow.

          • Paul Klee

            Yes Megan Rapinoe’s support of a racist hate group offends me and it offends me that it doesn’t offend you.

          • Hwah

            I’ve replied above, I hope and think you’ve stepped into something you didn’t mean to.

        • Hwah

          To expand on my initial shock over your comment. And, I’m telling you this because I can’t believe you would intentionally do this…..but it is common in some parts of the United States to associate gay people with pedophilia to diminish them and stand against them in their fights for equality. Your first sentence steps right into that in commenting your disagreement with Rapinoe..

          I’m sure you can find a better example…….any other ludicrous example would suffice.

          • NYRick

            “it is common in some parts of the United States to associate gay people with pedophilia to diminish them and stand against them in their rights for equality.”

            You are making a complete assumption here, no? Do you have court cases to back that narrative? Because until I just read what you wrote, I never believed or thought that for a second. With that Paul Klee, I believe was just citing a hypothetical example over the protest of any law. I guess if he said, having sex with animals, that would have been OK with you?

          • Hwah

            No court cases, not systemic in that way, just rhetoric against gay people….google it (‘connecting gays to pedophilia’), you’ll see what I’m talking about

          • NYRick

            OK I will. If that is true than that is truly sad and unfair.

          • NYRick

            I’d like to ask you a simple question if I may:

            Do you think Colin Kaepernick is a racist? Before answering, please think of the definition of racist and then try to be objective as a complete arbitrator.

          • Hwah

            He is not, in my opinion. There is no such thing as “complete arbitrator”, when it comes to race, and to suggest as much seems as though you have as baked in of an opinion as what a racist means as I do, and we don’t agree on the underlying definition.

            I hope you can see we are at ‘a never the twain shall meet moment’, and I’m fine with that.

          • Lorehead

            No, and nobody in the mainstream believes that he is.

          • NYRick

            Define “mainstream.” I’m a big foggy on that. Isn’t that selective judgment on your part that there is only one side to the argument?

          • Lorehead

            Rick, you just finished complaining that everybody on the political spectrum from Donald Trump to Bernie Sanders really belongs to a uni-party system. You don’t genuinely dispute that there is such a thing as the mainstream. You just don’t.

            Thinking about it, though, I don’t care nearly as much about what the mainstream says about racism against black people as I care what black people think about it. The mainstream tends to do things like call shootings “terrorism” if and only if the shooter is Muslim.

          • Lorehead

            Also, if your definition of “racism” lets you support ethnic profiling, say that black-on-black crime is a problem, and elect a man who explicitly says he doesn’t trust Mexican-American judges and will discriminate on race when he picks judges specifically so he can appoint judges to the Supreme Court, but not to object to police shooting unarmed black men and boys, your definition is the wrong thing to worry about.

          • NYRick

            Where did I mention Trump?

            One comical thing I find most during this political season on cable with pundits/reporters/politicians is:

            1. The ridiculously stupid things Trump defenders say on his behalf just defending some of the ridiculously stupid things he has said and done.

            2. The ridiculously stupid things Hillary defenders say on her behalf just defending some of the ridiculously stupid things she has said and done.

            It’s all for party lines and power on both sides. We don’t have a two-party system, we have a uniparty with individuals fighting and backstabbing to keep whatever power they have and to ensure the people above them remain in power for their behalf. We are now a third world political country. No longer a sovereign country. Thanks largely to a corrupt media controlled and bankrolled by billionaire globalists.

          • Paul Klee

            I call it the POG party of government.

          • Chak Khan

            Anyone here who is a lesbian or gay to confirm what all you straight people talking about?

          • Paul Klee

            I have never heard of a connection between lesbians and pedophilia. You are the one making that connection. You are also the one diminishing gays by saying they are all the same. Why do you belittle gay people? I’m treating Megan Rapinoe The same way I would treat anyone else that has ignorant beliefs. Should I treat her differently because she is a homosexual? Why would you want to person to do that?

          • Hwah

            I see you. I’m done with you.

          • Paul Klee

            Then you should be able to point out all the examples of pedophlia being used against Lesbians. Because it is not a common occurrence. But you know that. You know that all gay people are not the same?

          • Hwah

            You make no sense here.

          • Paul Klee

            OK let’s start simply with you. Do you know what LGBTQ means? What does the “L” stand for and what does the “G” stand for? Hint: they don’t stand for the same thing.

          • Hwah

            So, I think your point is folks raise pedophelia against only gay men, not women. That’s the hill you want to die on? No thank you. It is more commonly used against men, I’ll grant you that.

          • Paul Klee

            since you can’t contrive any evidence for faux outrage at a connection between pedophlia and Lesbianism let’s return to the original point. It appears you only approve of free speech when it is liberal and politically correct.

          • Hwah

            Do your own Google search. I’m not clogging the comment board with links you don’t care to research, and I’m finished with your deflections and avoidance of my point.

          • Paul Klee

            Pathetic, do you want me to try to prove a negative. You want me to Google search stuff that doesn’t exist. Go away troll

          • Hwah

            If you googled what I suggested, you’d be educating yourself. Instead, having no intellectual curiosity or initiative, you resort to slinging mud. Who’s the troll here? I’d ask you to google it, but I know that is too taxing for your tiny mind, maybe tiny fingers.

          • Paul Klee

            I fine point here but when did you actually replied to me with your suggestions for Google searches.

          • Hwah

            Somewhere in the string of initial replies to your initial comment, maybe it was to someone else I replied to that was also replying to the initial comment?

            I’ll cop to slamming right back at you from your initial reply to me slamming me, but when you go back into that thread, I hope you note in my initial reply I was suggesting you cited an example that could inflame, even though I suggested that that was not your intention, and asked you to consider another example. And I honestly believed that until you slapped back with a “you’re the bigot, not me”.

            From there, we got to here. We’ve both played a role here in the follow-up, but I’m too tired to continue it. So search, don’t search, I’m probably not going to change your mind about my initial intentions, you’re not going to change my mind about what happened thereafter.

            Let’s go in peace to live another day and rip each other over views on soccer.

        • Steglitz49

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        • ruarc

          That is one hell of a straw man, and you need to turn off Fox and close that Breitbart tab.

          I’m pretty sure that it will take me too long to impart the basic knowledge and background necessary to be able to properly address the argument for it to be worth my time.

          • Paul Klee

            It may be an extreme example, but nonetheless it points out something important. Just because you have the right to do something doesn’t make it right to do that something. The government does many things that offend me But I don’t feel it’s right to disrespect the flag and by extension the people that fought and died for what that flag symbolizes because i’m upset at some action or non-actions taken by the government.

            Why don’t you try to impart some of the basic facts of what the First Amendment means.

          • NYRick

            Here we go, the normal liberal retort to anything they don’t want to hear: Fox and Breitbart. As if none of us has a brain or lived in this country our whole lives to possibly grasp any of the complex issues facing the country or the world in general.

            For the record, you really need to examine the MSM and dribble coming out of MSNBC (truly despicable and embarrassing) and CNN (less Anderson Cooper, the only one with some class and reasoning). In fact, it’s ironic that someone like Trump has emerged. He’s basically an Alpha-dog, reality TV show billionaire. But really he is the only form of refuge to stand up to the barrage of the MSM and the Clinton machine. Romney, McCain, Ryan etc. would all be cowering in a corner. They want to be loved and accepted by the “machine” for their own personal gain. Trump doesn’t give a toss. Country first. Global world second. That’s refreshing to Americans. At least to this one.

          • Volley

            Country first? – that’s why he publicly derided a gold star family. What Trump did was far more direspectful of the military than anything Rapinoe has done.

      • guest

        megan rapinoe has no first amendment rights in the workplace. if she want’s to protest something she should do it on her own time. not on someone else’s platform without their permission.

  • NYRick

    1. Kaepernick is an idiot. This issue apparently wasn’t as important to him last year right before he was ready to sign a 114 mil contract. Which he gladly signed on the dotted line, about 60 mil guaranteed btw. Had he left that on the table than he still would be idiot but at least I would respect his stance as moronic and uninformed as it is. Also, he needs to educate himself about the facts of which he knows nothing. In addition, unreported by the media, he resently converted to Muslim for his girlfriend who is an activist for BLM. You are one real tough guy there Colin.

    2. Emulating an idiot makes you one. Just a PC grandstander. Boy am I going to be glad when this NT says goodbye to Pinoe.

    • Hwah

      So, if he was $114 million dollars poorer, not a Muslim and not dating someone involved with the BLM, you’d respect him?

      • NYRick

        BLM is not for black rights or equality. They are a violent anarchist group founded by globalist George Soros. I don’t have an ounce of respect for what they do or their voice. They are no different than the KKK, but the MSM not only promotes their hateful narrative but also is afraid to call them out.

        As for CK, without his 114 mil or QB fame he has no platform, so the money and contract are relevant to the discussion.

        • Hwah

          I see exactly where you stand. No need to discuss further with you.

          • NYRick

            And I see exactly where you stand as well.

          • Hwah

            Cool!

        • Lorehead

          If that’s so, then Karpernick is not part of the movement, and neither are any of the other people talking about police reform, because your description does not apply to him at all. Plenty of mass murderers have shot people in the name of the pro-life movement, but you don’t think that makes all pro-life activism illegitimate.

          • NYRick

            What exactly is he talking about anyway? Has he ever articulated anything of substance? Instead he says things like, “I’ll continue to sit for the anthem until I see change.” Huh? What change oh glorious one? Please enlighten us so we can bow and please you.

            I’m not going to recite black on black murder and crime or failed democratic leadership in urban cities for going on 50+ years, or teacher’s unions (wholly supported by democrats) who block school choice, charter schools and education reform into the areas. Nope, let’s just blame the cops (who are fully under the jurisdiction of black/democratic leadership in the areas he is targeting) and white privilege.

            And what exactly is Pinoe protesting now about this btw? Is she behind his cause or is she connecting this to gay discrimination? Not clear what she is doing here.

    • Ashley C

      lmao @ this Fox News’esq comment. For the millionth time, wealth doesn’t erase racism or someone’s blackness. That does not suddenly make them invisible to racism and bigotry. Ask Leroux if money erases racism as those racial slurs were yelled at her. Ask Dunn who has spoken about being a young black woman in this world. Ask all the footballers in Europe who make millions and still get slurs yelled at them. It’s been quite clear by your comments on this that you are incapable of looking at the perspective from PoC in this world.

      Protests don’t exist to make you feel comfortable. You don’t get to decide how the oppressed should protest. Perhaps take 5 minutes out of your time and read MLK’s Letter From Birmingham Jail. Because you sound like the exact person he was talking about.

      • rkmid71

        Can you explain to me why PoC (and others) flood to this country both legally and illegally?

        • Ashley C

          What exactly does that have to do with, racism, police brutality and white supremacy in this country? Hate to break it to you here, but the United States was built on the backs of black people. Perhaps you fell asleep in high school history class…

          • rkmid71

            Maybe you can go spend some time abroad and learn about oppression.

          • NYRick

            “the United States was built on the backs of black people.”

            That in itself is an incredibly racist statement. No doubt blacks like all other races in the US made their contributions, but on what facts are you backing this with? Are you just making some blind arbitrary statement, because that makes zero sense.

          • guest

            yes about 500,000 slaves built the entire united states.

          • mockmook

            Likely in seven days…

      • NYRick

        So Pinoe has been “recently” so oppressed. She used her “privilege” and influence on this NT to steal an undeserved roster spot for the recent OG. I would have loved to hear her reaction had someone left just outside the final cut would have called her out on that and been a little anti-PC to her. She would have screamed bloody murder and cried foul. Ironically she played the system to her advantage in that instance. I guess then, it’s OK.

      • NYRick

        “lmao @ this Fox News’esq comment.”

        OK so Fox is wrong and MSNBC and CNN have it so right. No agendas or big bosses to answer to at those places. Carry on.

        As for protests existing to make people feel uncomfortable or to “continue the dialogue (I guess this is the new catch phrase)”, I find it amusing that you don’t state the protest or by who or to who. Because if it was a protest by a group or topic you didn’t agree with, then you would most likely use the racist or bigot line to dismiss free speech.

      • Excuses..Excuses

        Kinda OT: But speaking of Dunn, I’ve wondered how she truly feels when she sees Rapinoe given the opportunity to make the Rio roster(thus earning a chance to get that bonus money) after a long injury, yet she wasn’t afford the same chance last year for the WWC? The hypocrisy is so glaring….

        • Breakers fan

          Gotta hurt for Dunn. I think that decision (to include Rapinoe for the OG but not Dunn for the WC) was based primarily on veteran-ity, but one never knows what goes on in the mind of another with stuff like this — here Jill’s mind re: Dunn. My guess is that Jill thought “Ah, Crystal, she has many years to come, she’ll be on a few World Cup teams, but this is my last chance to thank and reward, financially, Lori, Shannon and Abby.” (I’m not even naming Christie R. here)

          • Hwah

            I agree with you here. Also, I’m not sure that it was ‘Jill’s thinking”, if you will, in regard to the WWC final roster.

          • Breakers fan

            I think you’re implying the decision came from above — Sunil, in effect, correct? If so, you may be absolutely right. If so, do you feel his motive for naming them, and not, to me, clearly a better player in Crystal — and I’m assuming they saw that as well even then, though they acted like the others out-earned her for the spots — was simply a wish, as I wrote above, to give a big fat going-away thank you monetary reward to them, with no ulterior motivation beyond that?

          • Hwah

            As soon as I hit send on my reply, I wanted a second chance. I do think there was influence on taking the veterans, maybe from the players themselves, from US Soccer in having known faces there, and from Jill, as well, why experiment when a loss would doom her for experimenting. And, I know we are in a dicey comment thread (that I’ve here and there made dicier, and I should go to sleep), but I do agree that I don’t think that this was race-related in leaving Dunn out of the WWC. I do agree it was a take the veteran kind of thing, but I’m not sure it was about financial reward….just a whole lot going on on several number of levels.

            As for taking Rapinoe in the Olympics, I’m still not sure about all of that…..:) But I do think there was a bit about Ellis and others banking on a veteran more than anything.

          • Breakers fan

            The “doom her for experimenting” is an interesting idea I have not heard before. I think there is something to that. I also think that player influence, even if mostly unspoken but felt, probably also existed and was a factor. I do think (but don’t know) that Jill was aware that we had a decent/good chance of winning and that a nice financial reward came with that and that she thought it would be a fitting send-off into post-soccer-playing life for those vets to have a nest egg with which to get started, feeling that they had earned it in their years of service.

            Rapinoe in the Olys — I don’t really know either. I could see her thinking that set piece and corner kick delivery, in that just 1 great one could mean a game-changing goal, may have been enough for Jill to choose her.

          • Hwah

            Going off a bit on a tangent, there is part of me that is frustrated because between Solo and Rapinoe, there’s no way Jill is going to be forced to answer questions about what the heck she was doing at the Olympics the next time she pops up for an interview, because…..distractions! and moving forward!

          • Breakers fan

            Absolutely right I think. Which would be incredible: We have our worst Olympics ever, by far, and she *never* has to try to explain some of her questionable coaching decisions? Seems too strange to be true but that could be what happens.

          • kernel_thai

            Because the team is well supported. If 4000 people showed up to the Thailand friendly Ellis would be out the door in a week. IMO the perception at USSoccer is the fans dont care how they run the team as long as they continue to truck out the fan favorites.

          • kernel_thai

            It is almost impossible to fathom the roster moves at WC and Oly. First there was the return of Chalupny who somehow made the team over a four month period at a position she didnt play in what clearly seemed like payback for the years she was unjustly placed on the no call list following her concussion problems. Then there was Shannon Boxx who somehow made the roster after not playing at all for two years. The best part about Boxx was Ellis seemed totally opposed to bringing in any DMs so Boxx wasnt even competing against anyone for the position. Then there was Rapinoe who almost two months after being named to he Oly roster still isnt fit enough for more than brief appearances. Maybe they should just name a marketing person as coach and be done with it.

          • kernel_thai

            Yes, but the trap here was one of arrogance. What USSoccer did to justify stealing a roster spot worth $300K+ from Dunn was say dont worry we’ll put her on the Olympic roster and she’ll make almost as much. It wasnt a coincidence that Dunn was the first non WC player called in on the VT. Well how did that work out? And they talk about Solo embarrassing the USSF. This was positively shameful.

          • Breakers fan

            I agree. I think Dunn should have gotten a spot and felt so at the time too.

          • Excuses..Excuses

            With the WWC and OG loss, Crystal loses out on about $600K? Based on your post below, if anyone should form a protest, it’s Dunn. SMH.

          • guest

            we know for a fact that the uswnt is responsible for the non-selection of dunn to the world cup roster. but we don’t know for sure if the ussf was involved in the decision.

          • kernel_thai

            Im not sure what we know. Ellis was an insider who got the job with little competition. It is known that there were three candidates, Gustavsson, who was made her assistant and DiCicco who probably didnt have a real shot. We also know that the really big money for the players is based on WC placement so Im not sure being in the Ole Girl Club keeps anyone who helps u win off the roster. Mostly I think there is way too much thought given to how to market the team and way too little on whether this is the best roster to win soccer games.

      • guest

        americans don’t have first amendment rights in the workplace. the courts have already decided.

  • x

    all aboard the #hawttaek express, it’s going to be a loooooooooooong night

  • newsouth

    the Jess Fishlock look-a-like better watch herself. USSTet might take this personal and give her the Han Solo heave-ho. Those contracts are hard to come by.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5AOwhFtPKk

    • NYRick

      You make an interesting point. Why didn’t she do this before a US OG match? And if she did, that would be 1,000 times more controversial than anything Solo said about Sweden. Total hypocrisy.

      • kernel_thai

        Well at the Olympics there was some debate as to whether Rapinoe could actually stand up for the anthem or other wise so it might not have been as effective : )

        • Hwah

          Okay…….that’s funny!! Well-played!

      • Kaley

        The Olympics were before Kaepernick started his protest.

        • NYRick

          I get that but it is a hell of lot easier to do something like that in a club uniform than it is while wearing a US uniform and representing your country. If your emotions are that strongly against, simply decline to play for your country. Rapinoe would never do this in a US uniform. Just watch the friendlies in Sept.

          • guest

            megan rapinoe is upset with the united states. but not upset enough to not play on the us national team. and not upset enough to cash checks from the us national team. i think i understand now. megan rapinoe get’s upset when it’s convenient.

          • frosty

            The “if we can’t fix everything then let’s fix nothing” argument is old. Way too old. Stop using it.

          • mockmook

            What is Rapinoe’s “just” plan to fix anything?

          • guest

            rapinoe fixes nothing except her shoprapinoe website promoting her brand name. in the future we will have rapinoe hotels sitting next to trump hotels.

          • thedefect

            She’s still an American. She can represent her country AND have issues with it. It’s bizarre to say “Unless you 100% agree with everything America has ever done, you cannot do X.” If that’s the case, I sincerely hope no one ever represents ANY national team, including ours, because every country has some pretty messed up stuff in their history.

            Moreover, virtually her entire income comes from the national team. I assume you agree 100% with your employer on everything? If not, you really shouldn’t be cashing their checks.

          • guest

            nobody is saying she isn’t american. nobody is saying she can’t represent her country. nobody is saying she can’t have issues with her country. nobody is saying she can’t protest her country. but your workplace is not the place for political protests. your employer is not paying you for political protests. if you want to protest, do it on your own time. on your own platform

          • FlyingSquirrel42

            Rapinoe and Kapernick are responding to a slightly politicized environment that already exists by including the national anthem at the start of the event. As I said in a previous thread, as an American I’m not really sure why we do that, at least when we’re talking about domestic pro leagues. There’s nothing uniquely American or patriotic about a sports event compared to any other form of entertainment or competition.

          • NYRick

            Why do we do it (the anthem) before a game?

            Ummm…I don’t know, maybe something called RESPECT for those who came before you and died so you can sit and be entertained and do whatever the hell you want in the name of enjoyment and entertainment.

            Why do we hear the anthems of each country at the Olympics? Or the anthems of each team before an international soccer match? It amazes me that many on here don’t know what real oppression is. I don’t know myself and I’m grateful for that. Spend some time in the Sudan, or perhaps go on line for food in Venezuela and come back and then defend some millionaire second-string QB for his right to kneel during the US anthem in a US stadium in front of US fans, in front of US military who most likely came in with a color guard to honor the event. Kaepernick would really impress me if he instead went to the urban areas of Chicago and Baltimore and tried to start a “dialogue.” At least Carmello Anthony, a Baltimore native, did that. He’s also the same guy who represented his country on 3 gold medal winning OG teams.

            There’s nothing uniquely American or patriotic about a sports event? Well I was at a WS game at Yankees stadium after 9/11. I guess you had to be there to understand. But at least try to respect it.

          • FlyingSquirrel42

            All I’m saying is that with some exceptions (Yankee Stadium after 9/11 being one of them), most of what you said could be applied to pretty much any mass gathering or form of entertainment. For whatever reason, we have a custom of singing the national anthem at domestic sports events (and Canada’s when one of their teams is in town), but we don’t do it before concerts, graduations, or most other events where large numbers of people gather. I’m trying to think of how sports are somehow more tied to American history or patriotism than any of these other things and I’m coming up with a blank.

            For that matter, do countries other than the U.S. and Canada even typically do this? Do they sing “God Save the Queen” before EPL matches? Maybe they do, I’m honestly not sure.

            Now I’m not saying I’m against singing it at sports games, but it does introduce an extra politicized element into the proceedings, and we shouldn’t be too surprised if somebody chooses to respond with a political statement in kind. If Rapinoe or Kaepernick had done this at, say, a military medal ceremony, I’d say “Wrong place and wrong time, folks,” but the beginning of a soccer game is a pretty neutral, innocuous context.

          • Steglitz49

            They don’t.

          • Steglitz49

            Very few countries play the national anthem at club sports events. It used to be that the Brits played their national anthem at the end of a film in the cinema but that was abandoned 30-40 years ago, I think.

          • Guest

            You sound like a jihadist.

      • Lorehead

        Sweden eliminated the U.S. on August 12. Colin Kapernick sat in protest the first time against the Packers, on August 26.

        • FlyingSquirrel42

          But you see, a true patriotic American would have invented time travel in her spare time and gone back to support the protest before it even started! Only the biased liberal media let her get away with such an embarrassing oversight.

          (Yes, I’m being sarcastic.)

    • Steglitz49

      What is USSTet? I have asked you before and you did not explain. Please help us understand.

      Do you refer to the “Tet offensive”?

  • sweetjazz3

    Hoping people on here can be more respectful and sensitive to the strong emotions that are brought out in people on both sides of the issue than the usual over the top rhetoric that online political discussions usually devolve into. In some sense, what keeps this story going is how each of us has our own sense of what the American flag represents.

    • rkmid71

      Freedom. And regardless of what one’s own personal opinions on various topics may be or degree of “suffering” they experience LIVING in this beautiful country, I hope people always respect the sacrifice and service to country of hundreds of thousands of service members. If it’s out of sight out of mind, maybe a trip to Arlington National Cemetery is in order where over 400,000 are buried. Now that is hallowed ground.

      • thedefect

        Putting the word suffering in quotes implies it’s not really true. I assure you, many people have suffered living here. It’s possible to respect the sacrifice of service members without believing the country is flawless and perfect. The country has a pretty sordid, dark history as much as it has a noble one. We have to be willing to face that, and a lot of people clearly aren’t.

        • mockmook

          OK, I faced it. Now what?

          BTW, the “sordid, dark history” comes about because humans live here and have power here. If you are expecting perfection, you’ll be disappointed.

          However, there has never been another country who’s plan of governance was so directed to preventing the evils you are worried about. Curiously, it is “liberals” who want to make that plan meaningless and have governance determined by the whims of the people and their rulers.

          • Will Rodgers

            You sound like a right wrong nut bag. you side is the one who can’t wait to opt for fascist dictatorship under Trump.

          • mockmook

            The only dictatorship will come from the left — only the left is not held accountable by the press, only the left puts party power above all.

            Trump will face relentless opposition from the media and from a large segment of the GOP (and total opposition from the Dems).

          • rkmid71

            “It isn’t what we don’t know that gives us trouble, it’s what we know that ain’t so.” ~ Will Rodgers

        • guest

          the military is the flag. they cannot be separated.

        • rkmid71

          No, it’s not saying that suffering doesn’t happen. That’s the nature of being human. It happens to everyone to one degree or another regardless of color or ethnic background. But trust me if you haven’t had the chance to experience it yourself — there is a lot less suffering and a lot more freedom and opportunity in the US than anyplace else in the world that I know of. Doesn’t mean we don’t have negative stuff happen here. I didn’t fully appreciate it until I lived and worked outside. That’s why people come here from everywhere. They know.

      • Burrah

        15 million Germans died in WWII. What about them? And the two million Vietnamese we incinerated. Nothing holy about military death. Killing is evil.

        • mockmook

          So, we should have just let the Germans take over the world?

          You can’t pretend a war away if the other side is determined to wage one.

        • Steglitz49

          The figures for WW2 are estimates but Germany lost about half the number you state: 7-7.5m total of whom 4.4-5.3m military casualties.

          The Soviet Union lost 26-27m total of whom 9-11.5m military.

          The US lost 420,000 nearly all military casualties.

          WW2 was won by the Red Army, the US navy and the American industrial complex but also the famous “few” over the British skies in 1940.

          Some countries, Poland is the best example, did not have many military casualties but about 6m civilian casualties

    • mms

      On Twitter I politely expressed my opinion that there could be more effective and positive ways that an athlete could work within their community to help effect the changes that they are seeking. My point was that people will focus on their strong feelings regarding the flag and the divide will become greater. Nothing positive or substantive will come of kneeling.
      I have since been inundated with insulting, curse-filled tweets. I’ve tried to stay thoughtful and calm. Meanwhile, I’m thinking, “You guys are proving my point.” This only serves to increase the divide. Kap and Pinoe could meet with civic, church, and police organizations and ask what they could personally do to help. I’m sure they would get a lot of suggestions and requests. I’m just really struggling to understand how offending a lot of people and putting your employer and teammates in an uncomfortable position will reduce police brutality, oppression, and homophobia.

      • sweetjazz3

        Yeah, emotions are running high on both sides here. I see your point, and I think you are right that the protests do turn many people off and harden divisions. At the same time, I don’t understand the idea of kneeling during the national anthem as an act of disrespect. It seems about as respectful way to protest as you can come up with. On the other hand, the harassment on Twitter you experienced is unacceptable, point blank. It is the wrongful empowerment of anonymous cowardice.

        Also, from what I’ve read, Kaepernick has listened to that critique and is doing things beyond the national anthem protest to effect change. So hopefully your point of getting personally involved is being heard. It’s the inevitable problem with trying to bring attention to a cause. The media does not cover the often hard, often tedious, rarely glamorous work that goes into making things better, only titillating and controversial stories. (And the media ultimately covers what people pay attention to, so it’s really the result of people’s media consumption habits.) This applies to how the police are covered, how police reform is covered, and many other instances. And so we have skewed views of all of these institutions.

        • mockmook

          “is doing things beyond the national anthem protest to effect change.”

          This is sick. Never defining what change you are seeking and therefore never having to be accountable for your advocacy or your results.

          • sweetjazz3

            Many of the various police reform movements, including Black Lives Matter, have proposed specific, concrete proposals with regard to policing that they believe would enhance justice and would not excessively burden police. Of course, police do not always agree with them, but in many instances there have been productive conversations. It varies a lot across the country, because policing is a local issue. Some police departments do a lot better than others, and some community activist groups do a lot more productive work than others. Of course, you won’t see any productive conversations on the evening news, because there is no good footage to be had of people sitting at a table engaging in respectful dialogue.

            I agree with you that the vague notion of “effecting change” is neither good nor bad. The comment reflects more on my ignorance of the specifics of the movement (myself not being actively involved) than on anybody else’s beliefs.

        • mms

          I somehow missed this reponse until now. You eloquently presented your thoughts which I cannot fully express how much I appreciate. It gives proof to the idea that people can interpret the same situation differently without dissolving into hate. Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!
          Your insight on the media and the population that feeds it is spot on. It’s something I’ve been thinking about a lot lately.
          I don’t believe I said that kneeling was disrespectful. I said that there were more effective actions she could take (my opionion). I did say that some people are offended by kneeling. I am not. I simply feel the most effective change comes from coming together not dividing. That being said, if Pinoe does not feel the flag represents her, she shouldn’t stand. If people don’t like it, the best thing they can do is to stop talking about it.

          • sweetjazz3

            Thanks for the thoughtful reply. I didn’t mean for my kneeling comment to be directed toward you specifically, but toward critics in general. Rereading my post, that is not at all clear from what I wrote.

            Really agree about the coming together part. It’s human nature to blame others and scapegoat, but it’s a destructive part of our nature. It’s amazingly sad how much human potential is wasted because of divisions that we create among ourselves.

            There’s no magic solution to undo all the divisions, but at the individual level, a good mindset can go a long way. I appreciate you sharing that spirit of cooperativeness and understanding. Wish more people did the same.

  • donjerue

    I have more respect for her now thqan ever, and I am a Thorns Fan. First, she calls Solo on her BS. Now this, good to see a person not afraid to take a stand for Justic. Bravo Megan

  • mockmook

    I don’t want to hear one word from Pinoe regarding “Justice”

    50 some gay people are gunned down in Orlando by an Islamic terrorist, and Pinoe says squat.

    Islamists in Iran throw gays off buildings — Pinoe says squat.

    Etc.

    • Lorehead

      You’re lying. She gave an interview about it to The San Francisco Chronicle on June 23. 2016.

      What you mean is that she didn’t call for revoking Nadia Nadim’s visa and kicking her out of the country, just because one mass shooter. a US citizen who was born and raised here to citizen parents, had Afghan ancestry. Since I just came back from watching her score a hat trick and thinking how easy it is to root for her, thank you for reminding me that you support that.

      As I reminded you the last time you applied this double standard, a white man from Indiana, by the name of James Wesley Howell, got caught attempting a mass shooting against a Pride march in Los Angeles on the very same day. And, shortly after, a Portland company cancelled the lease of a Christian church because its pastor endorsed the Orlando shootings. Uganda is one example of a Christian country that enacted a death penalty for gay men, at the instigation of a pastor from here in Oregon, Scott Lively (who also was once sued and found guilty for assaulting a lesbian who tried to photograph one of his meetings). And there are many other examples.

      Both you and Mockmook refused to condemn any of these examples of anti-gay bigotry; Mockmook told me that he didn’t even bother looking at them.

      • mockmook

        The two “gold standards” of Islamic Law and Islamic teaching, Saudi Arabia and Iran, both consider homosexuality a crime punishable by death.

        I’m sorry that facts offend you.

        • Lorehead

          The Bible says that too. Why the double standard?

          • mockmook

            Does any prominent Christian/Jewish denomination teach that?

            It is Islamic law. Taught and acted upon.

          • Lorehead

            I just gave you three examples.

          • mockmook

            You gave me nothing but fringe examples — not even denominations.

          • Lorehead

            And you’re harping on the actions of one lunatic whose motives we don’t know.

            This is the fourth time you’ve refused to condemn Christian homophobia. Does your concern begin and end with a pretext to stereotype Muslims?

          • mockmook

            You can pretend not to know his motives, but any thinking person can put 2 and 2 together (except those who are willfully blind).

            “Christian homophobia”

            Define it.

          • Lorehead

            That’s nuts, Mockmook. We don’t even know if he’d been dating someone inside the club.

            Stop being disingenuous about Christian homophobia.

          • mockmook

            The guy wasn’t just some nut.

            He was a nut with a purpose, an ideology. It’s there to see if you aren’t afraid to look.

          • Steglitz49

            Do you mean Christian homophobia or Old Testament homophobia?

          • mockmook

            He has no idea. That is why he refused to define it.

        • TsovLoj

          If you think the Saudis’ Wahhabi take on Islam is a gold standard, you’re playing into their hands. Before they started exporting their ideology, the practice of Islam in places where most Muslims live (India, Indonesia, etc) was very different.

          • mockmook

            Describing reality isn’t “playing into” anyone’s hands.

      • Terry Lash

        It’s been a while since I have seen a comment by you. Welcome back. I appreciate seeing your point of view.

        And, it is wonderful to see Nadim’s success. At the beginning of her tenure with the Thorns I was getting concerned that there was, contrary to my expectations, she was not going to score many goals.

        • Lorehead

          Thanks. Nadia Nadim’s scored the winning goal in every game I’ve had the chance to attend this season, and I hope I’ll see her do it again on Wednesday. This is a lot more pleasant and on-topic to discuss than the rest of this conversation, and perhaps I should be doing it over on the article about her hat trick.

  • guest

    god forbid somebody get’s more attention than megan rapinoe.

    • thedefect

      Eh? She doesn’t really demand attention. I think now you’re just trolling.

  • Paul Klee

    Another point about Megan Rapinoe and her cop-hating racist protest. Unlike Colin Kaepernick she is paid to represent the US, and since she is paid by the USSF even when she is playing for Seattle she is representing the United States. If she really believes the US is so evil she should not accept money from them.

    BTW since the USSF is tax exempt and we know the women made a profit that they didn’t pay tax on, Megan Rapinoe is in effect having her wages subsidized by the American tax payer.

    • VaFan51

      “Representing the U.S.” does not mean being mindlessly uncritical. I am sure she knew the PR risk she was taking to do something like this and she did it anyway. Good for her — i am proud of my “employee.”

      I am certain her goal was to encourage mature discussion of these issues, but it’s a little hard to see how slinging “cop-hating racist” contributes to anything constructive.

      • mockmook

        Will she also kneel during the playing of the national anthem of every other country that isn’t perfect?

        “Boo hoo!!! The USA has some people in it that aren’t angels — unlike every other country in the world where everyone is a perfect angel!!!”

        Give me a break.

        “her goal was to encourage mature discussion of these issues”

        BS, her goal is to push a political agenda that sees everything wrong with the USA and acknowledges nothing that is right with it. And, I think she wants some attention as well.

      • Paul Klee

        She does not want to encourage discussion she just wants to blame “whitey” if she wanted to have a discussion she would not have labeled anyone who was critical of Kaepernick’s stance as a racist. That’s not how you engender discussion that’s how you shout people down.

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  • smallchief

    I wasn’t aware that Rapinoe took a knee during the national anthem until I read it here. .
    What I was aware of was that, during her 15 minutes on the field, her team seemed not to pass the ball to her very much — unlike the previous week when she dominated from the moment she came on the field. Was there bad feeling from other team members about her action?

    Personally, I don’t much care for ritualistic expressions of patriotism, such as the playing of the national anthem — but it is a ritual that helps bind us together as a nation, So, it comes down to a issue of group identification vs individual expression.

    • guest

      a month after the rio olympics and megan rapinoe is still only 15 minutes fit. just a laughable uswnt olympic selection.

      • smallchief

        During her 30 minutes against Colombia, she was the best player on the field.

        She wasnt good during her 30 minutes against Sweden — but neither was any other US player.

        • Steglitz49

          Wrong. Pinoe fouled Asllani, got away with it, and the move resulted in Alex’s 1-1 goal. When Seger as Sweden’s captain questioned the ref, she was given a yellow card. The ref should have given a freekick to Sweden but the ref team was worse than useless.

          Not bad for an injured Pinoe.

          That goal kept the US as ranked #1 because had they lost in play as opposed to in the pso, the US would have lost a lot of ranking points.

          Conversely, it means that Sweden has not risen much in the rankings. They could have been at #4.

        • guest

          yes, megan rapinoe had a great assist on colombia’s first free kick goal with her terrible foul. i would think that alone would disqualify one from being named the best player. after the 15 minute mark, her fitness was totally shot and she did very little. prior to that, she had a couple good crosses, but her cornerkicks were bad and her free kick was over the goal. no uswnt goals scored when rapinoe was out on the field. a player only fifteen minutes fit is not worth wasting a sub over. the uswnt won every rio olympic game until they started subbing in megan rapinoe. after that, the uswnt never won another game.

          • guest

            from the 15 minute to the 30 minute mark, megan rapinoe and hope solo were actually the worst uswnt players out on the field after letting up that bad freekick goal.

          • Steglitz49

            The Colombia match did not matter; the one against Sweden did.

    • mockmook

      Her “protest” is on the “front page” of the Comcast/Xfinity website (and I suspect all similar pages (like Yahoo)).

  • Borgata

    This is getting the NWSL some airtime on ESPN, so I am all for it.

    • guest

      i don’t know if that is a good thing. when i look at the picture i’m looking at the ten people in the stands.

      • Borgata

        Maybe we’ll get the Rapinoe Protest bump for next week games.

  • NYRick

    Sorry I can’t get beyond the hypocrisy of this from a USWNT standpoint…

    1. Hope Solo gets kicked off the US team for speaking her mind. The rationale seemed to imply “it wasn’t classy, or it was unbecoming, or it was not in the American spirit of sportsmanship blah blah blah” to say such nasty things like the “other team played like cowards” against us.

    2. Megan Rapinoe is praised highly on here for sure (where is the USSF statement on this??) for making an anti-American political statement. She does represent the US national team, something of which Kaepernick is of no part of in any capacity.

    • NYRick

      …to further, if I’m Hope’s lawyer I’ve now got a case. A real case. Thanks Megan.

      • thedefect

        As a lawyer (an employment one at that), she doesn’t have a case just because someone didn’t get banned for making a comment. She’d have to have an actual claim first. Discrimination? Unlikely, as both are white females. That’s when the distinction of how someone is treated would come into play. If it was a white male and a black male, there’d be a potential racial discrimination claim.

        • mockmook

          For an “employment lawyer”, you seem woefully uninformed about “discrimination” cases brought on the basis of gender and sexual orientation.

          • Steglitz49

            We do not know under which conditions Hope served, what the nitty-gritty of her contract said. Till we do and we may never, any point is moot.

            As a rule, it is not a smart move to call the lasses who just beat you “cowards” because it gives the wrong image that you can’t cope with losing. Being a sore loser may be an American trait but no reason to rub it in.

    • kernel_thai

      I dont think the USSF says anything until it happens during the Thailand match. I think they quietly try and head this off.

      • NYRick

        Seriously, did I not make the correct point above? I think she just gave Hope a ton of ammunition to sue the USSF for wrongful termination with the simple argument of “what is Rapinoe still doing on the team? I didn’t disrespect the country. I spoke about the frustration of losing. She made a political statement as a national team member.”

        Can you say double standard? In fact, if I was Hope I would go even further and say, “I’m straight and reprimanded. She’s gay and not reprimanded. Are you being politically correct and afraid to take her on because she will bring other elements into the argument?”

        If you are the USSF, do you talk to Megan now about this? As in today or the next few days? Because they have another match on Wednesday I believe. It is going to now build.

        • Steglitz49

          The simplest solution is to keep Pinoe on the bench as a reserve. That way she can kneel or do handstands if she likes but not on the pitch.

          • guest

            given that Pinoe is not match fit no reason to call her in for the friendlies – potential problem avoided by USSF

      • Rufan

        Does USSF have a policy regarding player behavior during anthems?

        • mockmook

          I’m certain they have some vague policy that means whatever they want it to mean regarding player behavior.

        • NYRick

          If I recall wasn’t there kind of flap about 2 years ago (maybe it was before a friendly or even at Algarve) where Pinoe was chewing gum during the anthem with the cameras on her? Not that was a big deal to make a flap about really, but I remember some chatter about it on here. Anyone else remember that?

          • Steglitz49

            These days players in most NT sing along when the national anthem is played. An obvious exception is Özil. This used not to be the case. The players simply stood there.

            It would be interesting to know which country started the singing and when.

            In WC-14, FIFA had put a limit on how long a national anthem could last — some are quite long. The Brazilian fans responded by singing a cappella when the music stopped for theirs.

    • thedefect

      1) I agree, the comment wasn’t a suspension worthy action. Perhaps it was merited for other issues, but the comment didn’t deserve the resonse.

      2) It’s not anti-American to disagree with things happening in America.

    • Steglitz49

      Regarding Hope’s comment, it was not just her use of the loaded and derogatory word “cowards” but the whole aftermath that followed.

      The USSF can not have been much pleased seeing footage of Swedish TV sports studio staff wearing teeshirts with variously “I am going to Rio; she is going home” and “We are going to Rio; they are going home”.

      • Guest

        The US Soccer is dumber than a box of rocks because the Swedes quite clearly think they’re crazy for suspending her for 6 months and then terminating her contract.

    • guest2

      Don’t agree on the anti-American bit. I think the greatest thing about this country is having the freedom to make the choice that Kaepernick made. I don’t agree with his choice but I can’t condemn him for this protest.

  • TsovLoj

    All these redneck tears are the finest of wines. Fill my glass, Megan.

    • NYRick

      Redneck?? Who is the racist one?

      • thedefect

        Redneck isn’t a racist term. It generally refers to uneducated, country or rural people. It’s used often to describe different races in modern context.

        • Steglitz49

          Garbage. It is not even like saying that a gay person can be sad.

        • mockmook

          BS, it is almost exclusively used to refer to white people (and usually rural).

          • Steglitz49

            Indeed. I understand a redneck to be a working-class white person from the southern USA, especially a politically reactionary one. I am not sure about the rural these days.

            Makes Condoleezza Rice’s achievements even more impressive. The Cleveland Browns rule OK.

  • guest

    “please god. give us more fans.”

  • kernel_thai

    My opinion on these matters is a selfish one but here it is. To me anyone has the right to peacefully protest anything they want in this country BUT please do it on ur own time. The place for this isnt at work even if it provides u with a grander stage. This is very self serving and inadvertently makes a statement for ur employer as well as urself.

  • skybolt

    Leaving the message part of it aside, it’s hard for me to come to grips with Pinoe’s motives. She initially comes out and throws Hope under the bus, which in my opinion gave the USSF the ammunition it needed to terminate Solo’s contract. She then apparently had a turn of heart and stated that the USSF fired Hope to weaken the equal pay movement. Now this. My gut tells me she’s trying to get back at USSF for perhaps using her to their own ends with Solo’s case.

    • anon

      Did she even say anything THAT bad about Solo? Didn’t she just say her comments were disappointing? Every interviewed teammate that was willing to comment disagreed with solo. I don’t know why everyone is picking on Pinoe for that. That said, she does a lot of other stuff that annoys me. She is great at seeking the spotlight.

      • skybolt

        There’s a difference in saying I don’t share that opinion, as in Morgan’s case vs. saying two paragraph worth of stuff about what Hope did wrong and how disappointing it was. The USSF’s statement was pretty much similar to Pinoe’s. IMO she probaby got some flack from her teammates and is now taking an anti USSF stance.

        • Steglitz49

          By their fruit ye shall know them.

        • Rufan

          I wondered if her NBC interview was arranged by USSF so that she would asked about Solo and to make her comment. Why would NBC want to interview a player from a team that had exited nearly a week earlier unless she would be willing to answer the lo question? The players had already stated their opinions on solo in private and USSF was preparing its actions.

  • smallchief

    Given that some of our most prominent leaders (Trump, B. Clinton, Cheney, and many others) were draft dodgers during the Vietnam War, I don’t get very upset by people declining to stand during the national anthem.

    • Steglitz49

      Touché!

  • Guest

    I notice she’s not registering her dissent by refusing to play on the national team for such a distasteful country.

    That would involve an actual negative consequence for herself, as opposed to just garnering her the attention she clearly craves.

    Would that she’d sat herself a month ago in her indignation; We might be gold medalists now.

    • Steglitz49

      In fairness to Pinoe, she started the move that led to Alex’s 1-1 equalizer. The fact that Pinoe got away with fouling Asllani need not bother American commentators on the EQ.

      • rkmid71

        Whatever Pinoe started was not enough, so we need not bother.

        • Steglitz49

          The fact that the US went out after a pso and not in the game, means that they retain #1 status. This is because the result in Brasilia is classed as a draw. Consequently, sweden did not gain as many ranking points as they should have and are not ranked #4 as they could have been.

          The real fault is with the sorry excuse for a refereeing crew who did not even know the laws of the game. Possibly a nadir in WoSo refereeing.

          • Gary Diver

            “This is because the result in Brasilia is classed as a draw.”

            So for ranking purposes, FIFA views the QF match a draw?

          • Steglitz49

            Yes. The WC-11 Final was also classed as a draw.

            Japan, in spite of all its success, never got to #1 ranking. The best they reached was #3.

    • smallchief

      Blaming Rapinoe for the US not being gold medalists? Wow! Did you watch the game with Sweden? You do realize it lasted 120 minutes and Pinoe was only on the pitch for 30 minutes, don’t you?

      Pinoe had no responsibility for the sequence that led to the Sweden goal. That was on Sauerbrunn, Johnston, and Solo for inadequate defense.

      Nor did Pinoe miss penalty kicks as did Morgan in a weak effort and Press with a kick that sent a ball into low earth orbit.

      Pinoe was ineffective in her 30 minutes on the pitch. The rest of the US team was ineffective for 120 minutes. Get real.

      • guest

        i have to agree with the guest to an extent. of course there were multiple factors that contributed to the the loss. but wasting two subs at the end of regulation and overtime on a 15 minutes fit and out of form megan rapinoe was a critical factor. especially when you had a fresh lindsey horan sitting on the bench whose strong heading could have been very effective against the swedish bunker.

        • smallchief

          I counted that in the Colombia game Rapinoe put 8 good balls — corners, crosses, shots, etc. — into the box in 30 minutes. She was the US’s most dangerous player.

          Ellis apparently thought Rapinoe could do the same against Sweden. She couldn’t. In retrospect it was a coaching mistake by Ellis to insert Rapinoe when she did — and then to have to waste a sub to remove her.

          But Horan has not always been brilliant — or even good. And the US didn’t lose because of Rapinoe’s 30 minutes. Sweden beat us fair and square — and we even got the better of the ref’s calls.

          .

  • Terry Lash

    Has Julie Foudy opined that Rapine’s action is classless and beneath the traditional standards upheld by players on the USWNT?

    • HOFCToDi

      Time for the USSF to get of another troublemaker?

  • anon

    Right. She’s so discriminated against in this horrible country she was basically gifted a spot on an 18-person OG roster because it was politically unfeasible for spineless Ellis not to select her. Which may have cost the USWNT the gold, no less.

    But, hey, it’s been like 7 whole days in a row since anybody asked for her very important opinion on anything.

    Don’t trip on the astroturf as you stampede to the spotlight, Pinoe.

  • mockmook

    Bottom line is:

    We watch sports to be entertained — not to be “preached” to — we sometimes want some escape from all this political nonsense.

    If the USWNT decides it wants to be an advocacy group, it may soon find it has no fans — even the people who agree with them aren’t political 24/7.

  • NYRick

    This thread was sure to unleash strong emotions. And if it proves anything it’s that sports and politics don’t mix. For the athletes. And for the fans.

    • Gary Diver

      Most of the posts on this topic have little to do with Megan Rapinoe or with racism in American and a lot to do with the politics of the posters and people seem to be repeating their politics from past threads.

      Where you stand on political issues depends on where you’ve been sitting. The polarization we see on this site reflects the deep polarization we see in American society. A Canadian journalist went to Virginia this summer to attend Blue Grass festivals and out of curiosity ask a Trump supporter why he liked Trump and was told: “I want the United States to be great again like it was 20 or 30 years ago.” A large fraction of American society wants to go back to the America of 30 plus years ago, but another large fraction, especially minorities, believe that 30 years ago was not a golden age for them and in fact was a nightmare to them.

      • guest2

        “The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.” – Winston Churchill

        • Gary Diver

          The current election may be seen as a referendum on democracy itself. A lot of people do not like politicians, do not like the Establishment, and do not like how the country is run in general. In some ways it is similar to frustration people experienced in the 1930s. Is an imperfect democracy better than the alternative? If not, what is that alternative?

          • Steglitz49

            The current US presidential election is exceptional in that both candidates are unusual. One is not trusted by the electorate and not a natural politician, who rose by playing the system. The other is also not a natural politician, who rose by becoming exceedingly wealthy and a media star.

            If either party had selected a more reasonable candidate in their primaries, that candidate would win the election in a walk. As it is, one of those Oscar Wilde quips leap to mind.

          • Gary Diver

            This election is exceptional for many reasons, the greatest reason being that a polarized nation will in three months be even more polarized. The Pledge of Allegiance contains the words “one Nation under God”. The United States is ceasing to become one nation. The divisions may be the worst since the Civil War. This year’s election will be decided by only 4 to 6 states, whose identities were known more than a year ago. The rest of the country will play no role in the outcome other than affirm their pre-existing deeply-etched polarities.

          • Steglitz49

            The GOP has been screwing the American people over the Supreme Court.

            If Donald Trump wins, which he might well, the Democrats will regret not sorting out the succession to Obama better.

          • mockmook

            A representative republic is what we (theoretically) have where natural rights have been acknowledged and protected.

            It is “liberals” who want to make the USA essentially a direct democracy with mob rule — where the mob decides your “rights”.

          • Gary Diver

            Immediately after the American Revolution, some of the people who did not trust America “with mob rule” offered George Washington the crown to rule as our monarch. Washington, unlike some people today, trusted the people more than he trusted a strong man government. “Of the people, by the people, and for the people” is not consistent with a strong man government by “outsiders”.

            The real issue is power. Is power by a few better than power by the many?

          • mockmook

            Democracy is “strong man” government that is voted for.

            The US Constitution pitted 3 “strong men” against each other (Executive, Legislative, and Judicial) so that the government’s power would be limited — the original plan essentially celebrated “grid-lock”.

            Unfortunately, with a large assist from “progressives”, they are now melded into one force with no counter-balance — they rule by whim and by force, and they no longer protect the Citizens’ rights.

        • Gary Diver

          Ironically Churchill’s greatest accomplishments were during a time national elections were suspended in Great Britain. At the very end of the war when the British held their first national election in several years, they turfed Churchill.

    • Steglitz49

      Tell that to the DDR (female) athletes who had their health ruined or any other athlete living in a dictatorship or worse.

      The US would not have “Miracle on Ice” if it were not for politics. The Miracle on Grass was politics free, however.

      • Gary Diver

        Miracle on Ice Footnote

        “The United States did not immediately win the gold medal upon defeating the USSR. In 1980, the medal round was a round-robin, not a single elimination format as it is today. Under Olympic rules at the time, the group game with Sweden (2-2 draw) was counted along with the medal round games versus the Soviet Union and Finland so it was mathematically possible for the United States to finish anywhere from first to fourth.” – Wikipedia

        USA, consisting of amateurs and collegiate players with an average age of 21, won the gold medal not as a result of beating the Soviets, but by beating Finland in their last match. USSR won silver by beating Sweden in their last match.

        • Steglitz49

          If I were you, I would leave the US v Sweden match alone. Let the skeletons stay in their closets and the dogs remain undisturbed.

  • mskillens

    hahah this incident has shown me who are the conservative fans. Wow not surprisingly those would be the trolls.

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  • Gary Diver

    The purpose of freedom of speech, like that of newspapers, is to comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable. (after Finley Peter Dunne)

  • luke

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  • guest

    let’s all put on our fidel castro shirts and fight for human rights!!!

  • Ethan

    I don’t know if this has already been brought up, but does Rapinoe plan to kneel this Sunday against the Spirit?

    • guest

      foudy said on twitter that rapinoe said the protest will continue. i wonder when kaepernick get’s cut some time in the next year if it will continue.