Hope Solo’s U.S. Soccer contract terminated, suspended six months

The Equalizer Staff August 24, 2016 872
Hope Solo has been suspended six months by U.S. Soccer for her comments after losing to Sweden at the Olympics.

Hope Solo has been suspended six months by U.S. Soccer for her comments after losing to Sweden at the Olympics.

U.S. Soccer on Wednesday suspended Hope Solo from the team for six months, effective immediately, for comments she made to the media following the team’s ouster at the hands of Sweden in the Olympic quarterfinals. The Equalizer has confirmed that Solo’s national team contract has been terminated. She will however, continue to be subsidized by U.S. Soccer to play for Seattle Reign FC in NWSL. That termination of Solo’s contract was first reported by Grant Wahl of Sports Illustrated.

“The comments by Hope Solo after the match against Sweden during the 2016 Olympics were unacceptable and do not meet the standard of conduct we require from our National Team players,” U.S. Soccer President Sunil Gulati said in a release by the organization. “Beyond the athletic arena, and beyond the results, the Olympics celebrate and represent the ideals of fair play and respect. We expect all of our representatives to honor those principles, with no exceptions.

“Taking into consideration the past incidents involving Hope, as well as the private conversations we’ve had requiring her to conduct herself in a manner befitting a U.S. National Team member, U.S. Soccer determined this is the appropriate disciplinary action.”

Solo released a statement through a spokesperson and later via Twitter expressing her disappointment with the decision.

For 17 years, I dedicated my life to the U.S. Women’s National Team and did the job of a pro athlete the only way I knew how – with passion, tenacity, an unrelenting commitment to be the best goalkeeper in the world, not just for my country, but to elevate the sport for the next generation of female athletes. In those commitments, I have never wavered. And with so much more to give, I am saddened by the Federation’s decision to terminate my contract.”

“I could not be the player I am without being the person I am, even when I haven’t made the best choices or said the right things. My entire career, I have only wanted the best for this team, for the players and the women’s game and I will continue to pursue these causes with the same unrelenting passion with which I play the game.”

Rich Nichols, the executive director for the USWNT Players Association, said the punishment would be appealed.

We have been notified by the U.S. Soccer Federation of the suspension and termination of Hope Solo’s contract. Given the cited conduct and alleged policy violation, we believe the proposed discipline to be excessive, unprecedented, disproportionate, and a violation of Ms. Solo’s First Amendment Rights.”

“We also question whether this action would ever have been taken against a male player or coach, who, in the heated moments after a frustrating defeat, questioned the tactics of the opposing team. Needless to say, we will file an appeal on Ms. Solo’s behalf.”

The quarterfinal exit marked the earliest loss ever for the U.S. at a major international tournament. Sweden engineered the upset by remaining in a defensive posture for nearly all of the 120 minutes which ended 1-1. Sweden then won on penalties even as Solo changed her glove ahead of Lisa Dahlvist’s deciding spot kick. The bunker tactics did not sit well with Solo who made her feelings known in the postgame mixed zone.

“I thought we played a courageous game. I also think we played a bunch of cowards. The best team did not win today. I strongly and firmly believe that,” Solo said as part of her postmatch comments that afternoon.

[LAULETTA: Five reasons the USWNT was ousted in the Olympic quarterfinals]

Sweden brushed off the comments, but Alex Morgan and Megan Rapinoe have since gone on record saying they did not share the sentiments.

The suspension is the second for Solo in the last year and a half. In 2015 she was banned for 30 days after she was a passenger when her husband was arrested for Driving Under the Influence. It turned out they were in the team van at the time of the incident. U.S. Soccer never specified that Solo was suspended for the van incident, only that she had made a ‘poor decision’ during national team camp.

In 2007, Solo spoke out following the U.S. loss to Brazil in the World Cup semifinal. Then coach Greg Ryan made the odd decision to bench Solo for the match in favor of Briana Scurry who had a difficult evening. Solo took it upon herself to step in front of a camera postgame and took Ryan to task.

“There’s no doubt in my mind I would have made those saves,” Solo said at the time. “And the fact of the matter is, it’s not 2004 anymore. It’s 2007, and I think you have to live in the present. And you can’t live by big names. You can’t live in the past. It doesn’t matter what somebody did in an Olympic gold-medal game in the Olympics three years ago.”

The team exiled Solo and she was not on the bench for the third place match. Ryan was fired soon after and replaced by Pia Sundhage. Under Sundhage’s firm but gentle guidance Solo was welcomed back into the team and played one of the best games of her life to beat Brazil in the 2008 gold medal match.

Solo has also run into trouble away from the pitch. In 2014 she was arrested on domestic violence charges. Neither U.S. Soccer nor Seattle Reign ever officially acknowledged the charges though Solo missed one match for the Reign. Charges against Solo were dropped in early 2015 but was reinstated later in the year via appeal. The case has not been resolved.

Earlier this year Solo passed 100 career shutouts, a milestone widely lauded and promoted by U.S. Soccer. She has been awarded the Golden Glove as the best goalkeeper at the last two World Cups.

[GORDON: What now for the USWNT? A long three years await]

  • NYRick

    Wasn’t Solo supposedly taking time off “soon” to start a family? This is typical USSF. Nothing at stake for 3 years so they give her 6 months for an classless comment, but only 30 days for taking the team bus intoxicated with the hubby. Of course the later was within arm’s distance of a pending WC. How can you respect an organization when it acts in this manner? It’s laughable.

    Giving Solo 6 months now is like giving an ice cold glass of lemonade of someone who has been working outside in 95 degree heat. If you want to punish her, suspend her for the balance of the NWSL season too. Aren’t the USSF-NWSL on the surface at least quasi-connected? And I’m not even suggesting she should be suspended for the comment. It’s silly I think. But Gulati is such a clown and this proves it further.

    • #1Fan

      so what would you like to see done ?

      • NYRick

        Nothing really. I don’t see how it warrants a suspension. A 6 month one no less. Maybe a talking to her to apologize for her comment publicly that it was said following a tough defeat. I think she actually did that anyway.

        • rkmid71

          BS. A suspension? That’s nice. If it was me, her contract would be immediately terminated. I don’t care what it looks like to you or anyone else from the outside.

          • kernel_thai

            and of course it was terminated.

          • rkmid71

            Maybe I should read the article first and not just the headline? I’m backing USSF on this. I might have even been tougher if that’s possible. She says that “she can’t be the player she is (or was) without being the person she is even when I haven’t made the best choices or said the right things.” Well that’s too bad that she hasn’t figured that out at age 35. And yes winning is important, but how you win and representing this country with class and integrity is also. She has admitted that it’s not possible for her to do that and be a top player. Maybe USSF thought or was hoping that she would eventually mature?

          • kernel_thai

            Im in favor of the sentiment more than the way this was handled. It is time for Solo to move on regardless of any ill timed comments. Not only has she reached the age where u just cant be sure of what ull have in 2019 when it matters but her desire to play ever match effectively blocks development of other GKs. Add to the insanity that the main reason to keep her is the USSFs notion that popular older players is the way to fill the seats at friendlies. As to the methodology, I would have avoided all the attention this will bring and simply not offered her a contract in January nor call her in to any camps or matches from this point on. They r only saving about $25K doing it this way so it hardly seems worth the hassle.

          • SpiritFan00

            You should probably read the article, and also this one from fourfourtwo: http://www.fourfourtwo.com/us/features/hope-solo-suspension-uswnt-contract-termination-feels-wrong-us-soccer and this, which is old but excellent: http://www.allwhitekit.com/?p=10150

            Is Solo someone I would want my kids to model their behavior off of? No, but I admire the intensity and ferocity with which she plays and I don’t think being fired+6mo suspension is at all in line with saying “cowards.” Clint Dempsey ripped a ref’s book in half — few game suspension. Too many male football players to count who have beat their wives, shot people, etc. who still get to play.

        • #1Fan

          it is the latest in a long line. I feel in isolation you are right, but in context it is fully justified

        • SpiritFan00

          When Solo called Sweden cowards that really rubbed me the wrong way and if I was on the other team I would be pissed. However, I don’t see why she should be forced to publicly apologize. It’d be the smart/polite thing to do, but it’s not like she said something horrifying. Again – male athlete? Would there be this crazy public outcry? Even Sweden wasn’t that bothered by it.

          • Steglitz49

            Sweden noted that they were going to Rio and the US not.

    • Hwah

      It is truly incompetence in the USSF that after all Hope has done through the years that they finally now decide (when there is no major tournament for 3 years, to take a stand), that I can’t help but come to the conclusion that this isn’t right. And it’s so self-serving ‘look at us cracking down, let’s hope most don’t notice we don’t do something when big wins are on the line’.

      Can we put some actual adults in charge going forward? Sheesh.

      • x

        “Look at us! We have moral values! We suspended a jerk!”
        as if we didn’t see all the times they put her play above her character

      • Cc W

        And after she’s been outspoken about the union as well – extremely convenient

      • FlyingSquirrel42

        EDIT: Never mind.

    • guest

      for what it is worth
      the CBA/MOU states “If a WNT Player is released from her WNT contract, she remains on her contract with the NWSL for the remainder of that year”

    • kernel_thai

      Dont know about a family but isnt Solo finally going to court in her DV case? Gulati has cleverly used Solo’s dumb comments to effectively distance the team from Solo during a trial. From his perspective this is much better than being forced to react to trial outcome and do something.

      • NYRick

        Didn’t know that. That’s interesting. Probably something to that from a PR standpoint for the team.

        It is easy though to get “tough” on a lightning rod type of personality for the program when she’s going to be 36 and has already played in 3 WCs and 3 OGs for you. Gulati really took the gloves off on this one.

      • dw

        Excellent point. Pre-emptive strike and all that…

    • Guest

      Keep her for the WWC and OG, market her 100th shutout like there is no tomorrow, and then dump her the second you are able to

      • NYRick

        Yeah, let’s say she was on 98 clean sheets, you know this wasn’t happening. It’s all a farce and really embarrassing for a high profile national program.

        • Guest

          Or if her penalty save against Sweden proved to be game-winning, and then made some dumb comments that made headlines, it would be less than a slap on the wrist. But now they can kick her while she is down

    • Cc W

      Now she’s been fired.

  • MrTemecula

    The six month suspension is excessive, an abuse of authority and stinks of payback against an employee for bringing up player’s rights. Nobody agrees with what Solo said, but she has a constitutional right to comment on play of a game. This is unfair to Seattle, and the US women team who are now missing a world-class keeper.

    • Calci0

      Well Seattle can still play her.

    • dw

      That’s not how anyone’s constitutional rights work…

      • kernel_thai

        It might be in the FIFA constitution : )

    • Ethan

      Unfair to Solo that her post-Sweden comments led to this six month suspension. However, I disagree with unfair to Seattle and the US women team. I wasn’t enamored with her game against France at the Olympics, and she was far from good against Colombia. It also seems like her game against Orlando was the only NWSL game where a lot of fans were quite impressed with her performance.

      • Silver Frost

        I didn’t see any other goalie in the Olympics allow two free kicks to sail through her. Greatest of all time.

    • Silver Frost

      Employees can be fired for no reason in this country. Bringing the team into disrepute is a good enough excuse for me.

    • Lorehead

      So far as that goes, paragraph 1(e) of her employment contract says, “Player shall comport and conduct himself [sic], at all times, in a manner befitting Player’s position as a member of the Team and spokesperson for the Federation and the sport of soccer.”

      • kernel_thai

        So if the US loses to South Africa in that July friendly and Solo has a similar take on their bunkering tactics, is she suspended from the team before the Olympics? Timing is generally everything.

        • Lorehead

          Of course not. It does take chutzpah to demonstrate that the team doesn’t care what she does as long as she’s useful to them, fire her the moment she isn’t, and be so sanctimonious about it.

        • Cc W

          Exactly! And once again, everyone is distracted from the horrible coaching and play by the rest of the team and Hope is left holding the bag of crap.

      • Frode

        Hope Solo was fired by her employer for repeated behavior contrary to the company’s image, probably after repeated warnings. This does not appear to be illegal in any way. Unfair, you might argue. But it’s really no different than the millions of other people who’ve been fired from their jobs for less than ideal behavior.

    • Ashley C

      First Amendment rights don’t really apply here and her legal team will have a very difficult time with that angle in court. Not to mention we don’t know what stipulations were in her contract given that she’s been a mess for years now. We also don’t know what she was told and agreed to when spoken in private pre-Olympics. Her contract is with her employer and their rules. The constitutional right doesn’t apply here.

      W/r/t a possible First Amendment arg for Hope Solo, there isn't one. NGB's are not a state actor, 1st doesn't apply. pic.twitter.com/3dhpgZLjyk— Dan Werly (@WerlySportsLaw) August 25, 2016

      • MrTemecula

        The player association is slamming the federation for violating Solo’s 1st admendment rights.

        https://mobile.twitter.com/GrantWahl/status/768602732425048064

        They are probably wrong. I am wrong. But who knows? In my lay opinion, a conduct clause cannot override a constitutional right.

        • Constant Weeder

          To put it in lay terms, the 1st Amendment protects us from having our speech suppressed by the government. It doesn’t invalidate private contracts that limit what one can say.

          • Rdalford

            As one who frequently communicates in imprecise lay terms, appreciate the clarification.

  • VaFan51

    Appalling decision by an organization that seems to have lost its ethical moorings.
    Putting the WNT players on shoddy, dangerous playing surfaces, endangering their careers? That’s OK.
    Treating the WNT players as second-class citizens in comparison to the MNT? That’s OK.
    WNT players not even having to show up for their NWSL matches? That’s OK.

    And using the word “cowards” in an interview gets a contract termination and 6-month suspension? The USSoccer old guard is well-entrenched.

    • Calci0

      It is an eyebrow raiser….

    • kernel_thai

      So am I the suspicious type or do the recent remarks by Morgan and Rapinoe now look a bit like knowing distancing? I mean USSF wouldnt have gone to Lloyd or did and were rejected cause she and Solo r big buds.

      • Tania

        Absolutely. And in my younger, more idealistic days I’d have had a fit. I’ve come to accept that it’s not as simple as I’d like it to be. I can’t entirely blame them.

      • Timber Dave

        I’m sure it was partly that, and partly also them really not agreeing with Solo’s latest antics. I’m sure reporters were asking every prominent USWNT player — and Morgan and Pinoe are two of the most prominent — what they thought of Solo’s comments. (And kudos to them for managing to disagree with Solo without putting her down.) I’ll bet anything that Lloyd really had to bite her tongue for her friend.

      • Paul Klee

        If I’m not mistaken Morgan and Rapinoe are the two other player reps besides Solo. This might put players Association director Nichols in an odd position of how far he will take the appeal of Hope Solo’s termination and suspension. Especially if Morgan and Rapinoe are not too keen on defending Hope Solo’s actions.

        • Tania

          Also Broon & Lloyd, neither of whom have said anything.

          I imagine Sauerbrunn may be stuck in the middle. Rumour is that Hope has been pretty vocal about disliking the changes to the back four. Lloyd & Carli are close friends. She’s not saying a word against her publicly. Privately, I’m sure they’ve had conversations.

          • Paul Klee

            I don’t know if Broon andLloyd are player reps, I thought they were on th email list as team Captains, but I could be wrong.

            You mean she preferred Krieger over KO? Or is it something more?

          • Tania

            Broon & Lloyd definitely player reps along with the other 3.

            For sure she preferred Krieger over KO. Whether it’s something more, I’m not sure. Rumour is she wasn’t thrilled about Allie Long’s play/addition to the team, either.

          • Paul Klee

            My bad I thought they only had have 3 player reps. But if I was someone like Mewis, Hinkle or Macaffery I would want a younger rep on the negotiating committee.

    • Ashley C

      They haven’t had ethics for a long time. And it came to a head and here we are.

    • #1Fan

      so what male player is comparable?

      • Cc W

        From a commenting perspective, hasn’t Dempsey been vocal and fiery?

        • k

          He ripped a ref’s book in half during a game, so yes he counts as fiery. John Brooks broke Zlatan’s rib during a fight at practice. Some of the nasty things Ale Bedoya has said. Countless NFL players.

          • Cc W

            So I wonder how this would play out if it had been Dempsey who called a team cowards? Ronaldo called Iceland afraid and no one lost their head over that – I do think there is a double standard for female athletes. Again, I’m saying Hope is fine for what she said, but I just think there is more to this.

          • #1Fan

            NFL players ? they get suspended. some for a very long time. Has Dempsey taken The team bus for a joy ride with his wife/GF ? To key on the comments alone just misses the point.

          • Captain Crunch

            I have to agree. Did Dempsey beat up his nephew, the team van joyride getting the DUI for Stevens, the domestic dispute with Stevens where he was charged but both had blood on them, comments about Brianna Scurry when Solo was benched, saying Greg Ryan shoved her & he says not true, Sweden comments…and this is just off top off my head. This isn’t even counting the controversial or at least distracting twitter posts about playing surfaces, zika virus, nwsl conditions, etc. Seems like she was a headache they didn’t wan to deal with anymore. Not like she didn’t have multiple chances to get it together.

          • k

            Pointing out that Hope Solo has also done other bad things also misses the point. The point is that many people – myself included – doubt that a male athlete with the same record receives this treatment, and there are plenty of examples of male athletes who have done far worse and got slapped on the wrist with a game or two suspension, if that.

          • #1Fan

            and there are example . Ray rice for one who have never ever played again. its hard to draw comparisons. I think ever incident has to be taken in the context of the time.

          • Tania

            But again – the men who have done far worse have done it in such a way that it didn’t negatively impact the dynamics in the locker room. Or if it did cause issues in the room, they weren’t severe enough to impact the results on the field/court/ice.

        • Captain Crunch

          I think the truth will come out soon enough but Hope is being suspended for way more than just her comments. She is probably the biggest cancer on the team with Carli probably a distant second. Hope is a nut and it was/is just a matter of time before one of her own teammates turned on her or worst case threatened legal action. Ask Ashlyn Harris if Hope bullies her and some others. I haven’t heard any players speaking out in support of her. The players assoc. will appeal b/c that is their job and they should, just like the NFL or any other pro franchise but her teammates don’t seem to be shedding any tears.

          It got out of control the last few months and with a lot of warnings to Hope to get on the right track, the Sweden comments were the last straw. Hope and her antics could fill a novel the size of war and peace. When you win, everything is swept under the rug but when you lose, the team doesn’t play great and the stadiums are drowning in boos because of one player, it wasn’t worth it. USSF and the board behind them were fed up. Hope will never play again for the USWNT. She is the best ever GK and they will miss her on the field. Only time will tell if it is addition by subtraction.

          • Tania

            If it’s that bad – and as much as I want to give Hope some credit, I hate to admit I agree with you that it is – it’s almost guaranteed that there will be some addition by subtraction. Every change in members impacts the dynamic of the group.

            For me, the big question now is whether Carli’s become too big a distraction. They have got to deal with the problems in the locker room; it’s clearly reached the point where it’s impacting the product on the field.

          • USMNTfan4life

            I didn’t know that Carli was a thorn in the side of the USSF. I know Pia Sundhage was not a huge fan of Solo or Lloyd, but I am not aware of any difficult issues that Carli made famous or was a butt of comments.

    • nwslfan

      main tactical reason- they get Solo away from negotiating table by terminating her contract.

      • Cc W

        I think that is a very true statement. She and Carli are the only ones who have been around for a long time – both are very vocal and the two together are probably a handful to deal with in negotiations. They now are down to Alex – who seems like a very nice person, but not one I feel is going to fight for all soccer players – Broon, who probably is the smartest of the bunch, and will be thoughtful, but maybe not fiery – Carli who no one wants to listen too anymore and Pinoe who has lost her leverage given the way she played, and will do anything to stay with the team. Hope was probably the only one with little to lose by standing up to USSoccer.

        • Tania

          While I think you may be exaggerating a bit re: the other 3, I agree with your overall point. Even if they’d won gold & had all played lights out, it would still be hard to get everything in one negotiation. I’ve been watching the Keeping Score documentary & Hope does seem to have this idealistic wish to solve every problem NOW. She reminds me of some of the hardliners in the NHL when they had their big strike (the one that finally resulted in them accepting that there was a need to bring in a salary cap).

      • Paul Klee

        Solo’s suspension does not in any way affect her status in the player’s association (USWNTPA).

        • guest

          Sure, but your bargaining position is a lot weaker when you’re not currently employed by the organization you’re negotiating with (though I suppose you could argue she is still employed via USSF-NWSL… but still).

          • Paul Klee

            I suspect the team will chose a different player rep than Hope for next year. Hopefully one of the younger ones. But they have to negotiate a new CBA by year end or none of them will be employed by USSF.

    • Tania

      I like Solo. I feel badly for her; she’s accomplished a lot, especially given the challenges she’s faced in terms of her early life. That doesn’t give her a pass on poor behaviour.

      I say that because by all accounts this decision is NOT just a response to the Sweden comments in Isolation. Other things have been happening & it’s reached the point where it’s impacted the locker room. Once it reaches that point, something must be done.

  • Calci0

    I understand the concept of “repeated offenses” punishment, but find it hard to see it used in the case. If she had run into more legal problems maybe, but I just don’t see her comments as what tips the scales. Citizens of Brasil took her instagram/twitter (whatever) zika picture with huge distaste, why didn’t that warrant action?!?

  • Ashley C

    FTR: I don’t think Hope Solo’s Sweden comments required any
    reprimanding. Her other problems should have. A long time ago. Much more
    than the 30 days, etc. US Soccer’s decision was clearly the last straw.
    Their own statement said they spoke to her privately before/took past incidents into consideration (not that I buy that right now fyi).

    BUT.
    US Soccer happily created an environment where records mattered above
    all else. An environment that consists of little accountability,
    favoritism and poor priorities. So this happening doesn’t surprise me.

    To me it’s
    embarrassing that this is cumulative because it took them this long. I don’t really buy that US Soccer even cared much about her past transgressions like they say they did in the statement. They probably saw the Sweden comments as a chance to get her out. Not like anything important is happening in these next 6 months. Which again, reflects back on the environment they created where they struggle to get vets to leave/politics trump everything. Solo is a fantastic keeper but it has me curious about what they actually want to do in the future.

    Either way it’s a mess. I’m sure this will get even more messy. But this has been going on with Solo for many years now. You gotta wonder what was in that contract about her behavior. Seems like she can still play in the league tho. Good thing clubs don’t have much leverage with contracts…or else Lloyd might actually have to play for the Dash amirite? /a little WoSo humor.

    • Observed

      No mess, because they just cleaned it up. You can’t leave this festering. For the next two years the WNT has little to do anyway.

      • Ashley C

        Solo has been messy since 2007. It festered. So have other vet issues. Those have also festered throughout the years.

      • guest

        the uswnt mess is far from cleaned up.

  • Guest

    Amazing what happened between the France game and now.

    Post France game: GOAT! Best ever! Savior
    Now: ____

    • Hans Castorp

      It pays to be a winner.

  • guest

    Her job is to stop balls, not be a spokesperson for US Soccer. At least she has enough passion for the team to express her disgust with the loss. What has Ellis said about the loss?? Don’t hold your breath. When will Ellis, or Gulati be suspended for their poor job performance?

    • kernel_thai

      Well if “cowards” is worth 6 months, the way Ellis coached should be worth 6 years.

      • Guest

        Does that make bringing Wambach and Boxx to the WWC life without parole?

      • NYRick

        I’ll settle for 3 years to correlate nicely with her difficulty in properly utilizing 3 subs in any given match per the circumstances.

    • Katie Curtiss

      That may be so but she represents the US and she is a professional. Emotional or passionate aside, she still needs to conduct herself in a way that adheres to being a professional. There are others ways she could have expressed her frustration without calling Sweden a bunch of cowards. She has also had other instances where she has misrepresented herself as a professional US athlete in ways that aren’t professional. Whether you like it or not, the punishment fits. It will make her think twice, just like the old saying says “think before you speak.”

      • Calci0

        That said. 6 months?!?

        • Observed

          Should be lifetime banishment. She’s a self-centered Trump type.

          • guest

            it could very well be. with hope’s domestic abuse case going back into the courts. anything less than not guilty and she’s done with the uswnt.

          • FlyingSquirrel42

            Trump: “People are saying that if they put me in charge of the USSF instead of Stupid Sunil Gulati, we’ll improve both teams’ form and strategy fast. USMNT World Cup Champs in 2018 and USWNT World CUp Champs in 2019. We’ll win so much people will get tired of winning. Believe me.”

        • Katie Curtiss

          is it a little hefty, yes. However, past problems with Hope do add up with everything she has done.

          • FlyingSquirrel42

            It seemed like USSF’s statement vaguely alluded to this being sort of a “last straw” situation. Still, in the pantheon of stupid comments from celebrities, what Hope said was pretty mild, and certainly less incendiary than her 2007 comments. I have to wonder if USSF even gave her a chance to apologize or just called her and told her she was suspended.

          • Katie Curtiss

            True. She did have ample opportunity though to apologize for her comments considering it had been at least a week and a half to two weeks of when she made those comments after losing to Sweden.

          • kernel_thai

            The statute of limitations on the apology is however long it actually takes Lloyd to show up for a Dash match so the clock is still running.

          • FlyingSquirrel42

            Sure, she should have given a clearer apology, but she might have misread the expectations. I’m just wondering if USSF communicated to her what they wanted her to do about this before suspending her, and whether the contract termination was decided at the same time or if that emerged from her reaction to what (if anything) was said behind the scenes. If they didn’t communicate with her at all between (I think) Gulati’s initial comment that her statement was inappropriate and telling two weeks later her that she’s suspended and fired, she might justifiably feel blindsided by this.

          • Katie Curtiss

            I think the expectations of her behavior and comments made were cemented the minute she came off of her 30 day suspension for bad behavior. Either way, I think it’s time the US starts ushering in a new goalie. Ashlyn and Alyssa have a combined 15 caps worth of experience. Something that could end up biting us in the ass in the future because of how reliant everyone became of Hope.

          • FlyingSquirrel42

            I’d agree regardless that it’s time to start giving the other keepers more chances. Regardless of Hope’s behavior on or off the field, counting on a 35-year-old athlete to stay healthy for another 3 or 4 years is too big of a gamble.

        • calvester

          It really only equates to two games.

    • Steglitz49

      How is insulting the country that defeated the US expressing her disgust?

  • Katie Curtiss

    CBA agreement or not. If US Soccer is the one that pays Solo’s contract and that has been terminated. She shouldn’t be allowed to still pay for her club.

    • Hwah

      They’ve left her NWSL intact.

      • dw

        Vegas odds on her playing in NWSL again are 1/20.

        • Hwah

          She’ll still get paid through her contract for the NWSL portion.

  • Guest

    suspend ELLIS for being OUTCOACHED despite having FOUR TIMES the player pool and RESOURCES

  • NYRick

    I’ll say one thing for her. At least she was pissed following the loss. I like when my team is as annoyed as me (at least on the surface) after a big loss.

    • Solo Finito

      Too late to get passionate. Let’s see that on the field. Tough talk is for losers.

      • NYRick

        Bottomline that match, during regular time and OT, she had only one big save to make…and she didn’t make it. Granted, it was a great play and great finish, but legends (which is what she is propped up to be) stand on their head to win games. Her whole rep is standing on her head a few times in big spots. She usually doesn’t have to do much else. In that match, she only had one big moment put upon her and failed.

        • dw

          Um, Rick, that was another unstoppable shot.

          • NYRick

            Yes I know. But I guess that’s my NHL fandom coming into play. I’ve seen Marty Brodeur literally steal Cups for the Devils and go back and watch LA Kings goalie Jonathan Quick for their 2 Cups. It’s astounding. Different sport, but keepers win championships. And Hope was a big part of winning a few for the US as well over the years.

          • Guest

            Jonathan Quick is an average to above average NHL goalie that got hot during the first playoff run. He was also very good in the playoffs the year following their 2011-2012 Stanley Cup. However, the LA Kings teams that won the cup were the best teams in the league. Those teams were loaded with talent all over their lineup.

          • NYRick

            Quick was beyond spectacular for their first Cup. For the second one against the Rangers, 3 of those games went to OT, two went to double OT and he didn’t blink once. The great Henrik Lundquist for all heroics blinked 3 times. As a Rangers fan, I suffered through those OTs, and that might not be fair to Henrik, but it was the truth. The fact that Quick didn’t blink and he was under extreme pressure and had to make big saves too sealed his greatness for me.

          • Guest

            He was for the first cup but his team was still ridiculously good. They went 16 and 4 in that post season and you can’t do that with only great goalkeeping.The Rangers were dominated by a better team in 2014. Lundqvist had no chance on many of those goals.

          • NYRick

            Also keep in mind “for any save, unstoppable or not,” there is the “stand on your head” factor in play at all times no matter what. Go back and watch the final of OG12 v Japan. Watch the save Hope makes to preserve the 2-1 win late on the Japan player who walked in all alone after a Rampone giveaway in her end. It was a perfect shot and a stand on your head save. Sometimes you gotta make them if you are going to be on the winner’s stand.

          • JL

            Yes and no. If you watch that sequence back, you can see Sauerbrunn coming in to cut off available passing options for Iwabuchi, thus forcing her into a somewhat rushed shot that was a bit less difficult for Solo to save.

            Not to take anything away from Solo for that game, since she had several big time saves to keep Japan off the scoreboard (minus the Ogimi goal that she couldn’t do anything about), but she did have a bit of help on that play.

          • NYRick

            OK fair point. I’ll have to watch it again but will take your word on the Brunn scenario surrounding it.

            Main point with that particular save is that is was a gold medal on the line save. I think there were less than 10 minutes left (I could be wrong on that) but it was late. So with that, even a mildly difficult save becomes enormous and memorable. It’s one of the first things I remember about that game.

            With the Sweden match a couple of weeks ago, you knew Sweden was going to get one big chance and she was going to have to stop it. That match had 1-nil written all over it from about the 25th minute on. I figured it would be Schelin who would come up with a shot that needed a big save. The goal scoring play was a breakdown overall, starting with a risky pass by Long that caught her team vulnerable to a counter down the middle. Great pass and finish, but it was really all she had to do in the match up until the PKs.

            And changing the gloves before the final PK pissed me off as a fan to be honest. That nonsense is uncalled for. That’s not gamesmanship. That’s bush league.

          • Breakers fan

            I think you’re right. Nevertheless I want to go back and look at it, and consider various variables and if Solo *could have* done a few things a little differently to add up to what Rick is describing. Remember Tim Howard vs. Portugal? I have to think that after the game we may have described a few of his saves, if the shots had gone in, as unstoppable, until we watched the tape and saw that he did save them. If I see anything worth saying I’ll report back.

  • Paul Klee

    Crap, now I have to defend Hope Solo! What is the USSF thinking? This action by US soccer is so counterproductive to negotiating a new CBA, that it’s like they are trying to lose all leverage.

  • dw

    On par with sending mobsters to prison for tax evasion.

  • NYRick

    I’m kind of foggy on Wahl’s line about her contract being terminated with the NT. Is that for good? Some clarity on that?

    • dw

      6 month suspension and contract terminated does not compute.

      • NYRick

        Right?? That’s what I was thinking.

      • Squeak

        6 month suspension from playing at all with the USWNT, and her guaranteed Tier 1 status has been removed.

        If she plays with them going forward, it would be on an unallocated basis until they give her a new contract.

        • NYRick

          Then that’s a big deal. At 36, why would they give her a new contract? She’s done. You’ve seen the last of her in a US uniform. Club soccer is another deal I guess, but she was never that big on that in the past anyway.

          • Squeak

            Agree. You might see her one last time for a “farewell” game, but she is now no longer part of the team going forward.

          • NYRick

            She definitely deserves a send-off game. One of the best players in the game’s history, not just US soccer history.

          • kernel_thai

            Solo can sit on the bench with Rampone and O’Reilly during their send off game ; )

          • NYRick

            Can her buddy Carli sit with her too?

          • kernel_thai

            They have to take Lloyd off in handcuffs

          • Cc W

            I’m having a hard time seeing her play a send off game after all of this.

          • tonysocref

            Losing her SI status puts her down to league max for 2017 if she decides to play in the NWSL, not the $56,000 she is making for this year.

        • kernel_thai

          If they offer her a contract in 2017 after the suspension it will be tier one as she made the OG roster.

          • dw

            Not necessarily because that is a clause in the current CBA which will no longer be in effect.

          • kernel_thai

            True but u really cant project a new contract into the discussion.

          • dw

            I can reasonably project that it won’t be as chock full o’ guarantees like the current one is…

          • Tania

            Bet ya you’re wrong. I think at the end of the day the players sacrifice some $$ to keep some of the guarantees. It also benefits USSF because the current players are popular & that helps with marketing & bringing in money/ticket sales. The players can also bargain – successfully imo – to keep some of the guarantees in exchange for things like supporting the NWSL. US Soccer wants the league to last.

            What US Soccer gives in exchange is improvements in things like per diems, field conditions, etc.

          • Squeak

            Why terminate this contract if they have an inclination of reoffering it in 2017? My guess is they are done with her being an allocated player, and she will get one or two more appearances at most.

          • kernel_thai

            If this is a prelude to simply dropping Solo from the team then Solo should be calling Gulati a coward. I am in favor of moving on past Solo regardless of this. U simply should not plan for a 38 yo player to be a key cog in France 2019. If that is the plan they simply should have censured her and then not renewed her contract for 2017.

      • Kaley

        I think due to the way their contracts are structured, they had to terminate her to avoid paying her for the entire 6 months. She’s entitled to a year of tier 1 salary or something bc she made the Olympic roster. Now they only have to pay her 3 months severance (According to Twitter)

        She is eligible to try out again after 6 months.

        • kernel_thai

          I wonder if they have to pay severance if her contract was terminated for cause?

          • Kaley

            I just looked it up. The CBA says they have to.

          • kernel_thai

            So she basically loses three months pay plus potential win bonuses in 7 matches.

        • Cc W

          Or is it that she got suspended, the discussion didn’t go well and they terminated her contract. Hope’s statement doesn’t mention the suspension – I think she got fired.

  • bluemac

    Funny how we don’t see Ryan Lochte being suspended by US Swimming for causing an international incident, but Solo gets a six month suspension for a crassly worded, heat of the moment comment. USSF can say it’s “cumulative” but it’s telling that they slapped her with the ban only after the USWNT’s run at the Olympics was done and not when the past incidents were fresh. Doing it now seems more like payback for her Equal Pay stance, the CBA, and the EEOC complaint.

    Is Solo problematic? Of course, but by now that should not be a surprise to anyone at USSF. And correct me if I’m wrong, but the USWNT has a PR guy who accompanies them. Did he not think twice about putting an emotional Solo in front of the camera right after the Sweden game? She has past form for foot-in-mouth syndrome.

    • dw

      They’ve already tallied up Schlockte’s losses at about $1M.

      • NYRick

        That’s a lot of Speedos.

    • guest

      it’s almost a given that ryan lochte will be getting suspended by us swimming as well when the investigation is complete.

    • Tania

      The thing about that though – if a lawyer can put together a decent argument that she was terminated as punishment for the Equal Pay stance, her status as one of the ones part of the EEOC complaint and to get her off the CBA negotiating team. doesn’t she have grounds for a lawsuit? In Canada she would; you can’t retaliate against an employee in this manner.

  • dw

    Naeher the new #1?!?!?!

    • Kaley

      Nah, Ellis hates Naeher and Harris so much that our new #1 is probably Kling.

      • bluemac

        Please don’t give Ellis any ideas.

        • kernel_thai

          Ellis would want a keeper who could score goals. In the modern game all ur players need to be in the attack. Maybe Betos gets a shot.

      • NYRick

        She did make that “great” save with her head v Sweden at WC15. She would be the first 5’1″ keeper in international soccer.

        • dw

          And the last?

          • NYRick

            Maybe not. Ellis may like the way she organizes the backline. And she has the vertical leap of Vince Carter so anything is possible.

        • JL

          That’s extreme, but Italy used to have a keeper that was only 5’4.

      • Guest

        Wambach new #1

  • Anon

    Meh its BS. Looking for any reason to dump her since she isn’t winning games anymore and is probably on the decline. I honestly think solo would rather go out with some drama and some sympathy like this than just stop getting call ups like OReilly.

  • Kaley

    The cynical part of me thinks this is partially because they couldn’t punish her for 6 months after her arrest because it would interfere with winning the World Cup (and winning is the MOST IMPORTANT) and partially because she’s suing them and its pushback for that. Because 6 months for “cowards” (A word that is not bigoted or a swear or really anything other than mildly poor sportsmanship from someone who just got knocked out a tournament they expected to medal in)

    Either way, I can’t wait until she writes a second memoir because its going to be so full of details about all the shady stuff US Soccer pulls.

    • Observed

      The big mouth got what was coming.

  • VaFan51

    That twisted clown in the USL got a suspension of 2 games for using a homophobic slur against Robbie Rogers. 2 games for hate speech.
    Apparently the punishment for stupid speech is much more severe that it is for hate speech.

  • Guest

    A good coach could make a USA “E Team” competitive. Ellis could not even make the A team competitive. Suspend her! You think I am exaggerating.

    Figure this is the A team: Solo, O’Hara, Sauerbrunn, Johnston, Klingenberg, Long, Brian, Lloyd, Pugh, Heath, Morgan

    B Team: Naeher, Krieger, Sonnett, Engen, Hinkle, Horan, Mewis, Press, Dunn, McDonald, O’Reilly

    C Team: Harris, Lewandowski, Menges, Kallman, Gilliland, Winters, Nairn, Dibernardo, Groom, Rapinoe, Ohai

    D Team: Franch, Barnes, Oyster, Skroski, Short, Laddish, Huster,
    Colaprico, Doniak, Yanez, Huerta

    E Team: Barnhart, Reynolds, Roccaro, Dahlkemper, Ochs, Killion, Lohman, Edmonds, Tymrak, Lynn Williams, McCaffery

    A DECENT COACH COULD HAVE MADE THAT ‘E TEAM’ COMPETITIVE. SUSPEND ELLIS FOR SCREWING UP

    • dw

      Your depth chart is pretty impressive. I don’t agree with all rankings, but high marks overall.

      • Guest

        It was just a quick example I threw together. I do not agree with all of them myself. I just wanted to make a point that the player pool is so large that WNT’s sixth team could have been competitive in OG, and Ellis could not even be competitive with the first.

        • NYRick

          Call it your “Alphabet City Mashup.”

        • Guest

          Could probably even make an F team that would get out of the group stage:

          K. Mewis……..Hagen……..A. Sanchez
          ……..Lytle/Shim……….Edmonds…………
          ………………B. Edwards………………….
          Dydasco..Williamson..Rampone..Moros
          ………………..Kopmeyer…………………..

        • NYRick

          You know what your list really shows in full view too? That the VRP is a total bleeding joke. We have a pipeline of talent and this team should not be monopolized year after year with some very deserving players shut out for politics and asinine extended contracts.

          • Guest

            Indeed. I could probably list about 15 more in addition to the ones that I listed. To think that Lloyd and Rapinoe will monopolize their positions until Tokyo 2020 makes me ill.

          • Breakers fan

            I am not assuming and am predicting that those players, Lloyd and Rapinoe, will not be on our next World Cup or Olympic team. I could be wrong but that’s my prediction. They want to be but Abby also wanted to play a big role in the last WC. Some things eventually become overwhelmingly apparent to everyone.

          • Tania

            Think Carli’s more on the bubble than Rapinoe.

            Not saying you’re definitely wrong & Rapinoe definitely makes the World Cup team, but I think she has at least two things going for her that Lloyd doesn’t. One, the biggest problem with her play/form is she’s coming back from injury. There’s no evidence yet that she won’t round back into form. Two, she actually plays her position within the system the coach wants. Carli just plays Carli-ball. Carli’s not hurt so she has no real excuse for her inconsistent play.

            Again, Rapinoe’s play wasn’t spectacular by any means, but with a coach who actually has the management skills to implement using her the way it was stated she’d be used, her play wouldn’t be nearly the topic of conversation it is.

          • Breakers fan

            Thanks for this. Food for thought. I think what guided my prediction the most was the factor of speed and youth in the competition at Rapinoe’s position. 3 years from now…….vs. potentially Dunn, Pugh, Sanchez, Heath and maybe others, can she, at 34, with 3 (?) knee surgeries under her belt, crack that starting lineup or even roster? I have a lot of respect for her accomplishments to date. I think she is a smart, quite capable player at her peak, but I just doubt to what extent that will be the case 3 years from now, vis-a-vis other players at her position. I hope she proves me wrong. We know players can still be great at 34 so she shouldn’t be counted out.

          • Tania

            I think she’s not consistently a starter, but she provides some vet leadership for the team on a 23 person roster. I’m a fan of not starting the same line every game anyway, tbh. Different opponents require slightly different tactics even as your overall game plan remains the same.

            Two surgeries on 1 knee, one on the other.

            Speed, while great, is not as useful if you don’t have the game sense to know when/how to use it.

            If Carli’s gone (a whole other kettle of fish) there’s more options, too… putting Pugh at the 10, playing Dunn up at forward are two I’ve heard suggested.

          • Breakers fan

            Yes, I was thinking with a roster of 23 she may make the World Cup roster. I have to think she’s also a positive influence on the team — good attitude, loose, a sense of humor, able to provide some soccer tips to the youngsters — and I don’t discount that aspect of roster formation. I think if she can recover fully from this surgery, if she keeps herself really fit (is that ever an issue with her or does she have a consistently strong and reliable work ethic?) that she has a shot.

            I think you’re right that she could “lose” 2 of her competitors – Pugh and Dunn – to them moving to central positions on the field and of course that would help her chances. I had more or less counted her out in my mind but now you have me thinking she has a shot still.

    • Ethan

      Well, posters have made comments about Williams’ consistency, but on current form, she’s got to be higher than the E team and on par with McDonald. I’d want Killion to be higher, but there’s definitely bias on my part.

      • kernel_thai

        Im not overly familiar with Williams but from the few games I have seen Id add range to consistency. She seems to get most of her goals in the 6 yard box (aka Lloyd country) which is a tough place to score from against good teams on the NT level.

    • kernel_thai

      So my favs from a quick glance is throwing Rapinoe on the C team and McCaffrey on the E team.

      • NYRick

        Is that 20 minute OG Pinoe or 90 minute Pinoe?

        • Gary Diver

          In the Colombia game, Rapinoe looked tuckered after 10 minutes. And to be really honest, the first Colombia tackle on her totally took the air out of her.

      • Guest

        Rapinoe’s 30 shaky minutes form.

        • kernel_thai

          I didnt say I disagreed.

    • Gary Diver

      Personally I will be rooting for the Netherlands to beat USWNT next month. That would make life interesting for Ellis.

      • dw

        Netherlands? That bunch of cowards?

        • Gary Diver

          Maybe they watched the Sweden game and will also try a rope-a-dope strategy. The question is whether they have counter-attack capabilities.

        • NYRick

          Doesn’t the Netherlands have the Funky Cold Medina? Maybe she could drop a dime down the seam of the US defense too.

      • Guest

        Me too. Maybe she can coach Houston once Waldrum gets canned

        • kernel_thai

          Thanks but the Dash offense has enough problems.

        • NYRick

          That would be part of her “car washing” deal with Carli. So Houston works.

        • obo

          That might be the only way to get Ohai on an Ellis-coached team.

          • kernel_thai

            Ha Ha if Ellis took over the Dash and immediately traded Ohai, all my Ellis hates Ohai posts would become collectors items.

      • Hans Castorp

        Her strategy seemed to be to put Rapinoe in to score an olimpico lol

        • kernel_thai

          It’s a once in a lifetime shot (Olympico in Olympics) and Rapinoe is still alive since the last time.

    • Breakers fan

      Nice work. This could probably even be extended to more teams.

      • Guest

        Yup. Could probably make more that even:

        Betos, Dydasco, Church, Naughton, King, Zerboni, Shim, Farrelly, Hoy, Hagen, J. Spencer

        • Breakers fan

          Would be interesting to see all these teams.
          Also, a healthy Abby Smith in goal – she looked really good in her first games for the Breakers. Christen Westphal has a lot of talent. Bring Molly Pathman out of retirement. (I mention local players because I know them the best). And I bet if you took a current NCAA all-star team — really picking the best players — that could comprise another team. Beyond that maybe the best YNT players not even yet in college. I may be grasping a bit but maybe not.

          • guest

            ACL for Abby Smith though could be very tough to get back from. I don’t think Franch looks quite like the keeper she did in the inaugural season after tearing her ACL.

          • Breakers fan

            Smith’s injury was a strained ACL and a torn patellar tendon, so hopefully she’s more able to come back than if it had been an ACL tear. I know next to nothing about knees but I hope that’s the case.

          • guest

            I don’t know much about the injuries either but I’m not so sure a torn patellar isn’t just as bad.

            http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/monday-morning-md-patella-tendon-rupture-often-worse-than-acl/

          • Breakers fan

            Oh, wow, really bummed to read this but thanks for the info.

          • Guest

            No you’re not grasping. Smith, Pathman, Moros, Estelle Johnson, Westphal, Salem, Morgan Andrews, Savannah Jordan, Arlitt, Averbuch, Mathias

          • Guest

            Wys, Frisbie, Taylor, Pressley, Elli Reed, Maddie Evans, Lytle, Mautz ,Hayes, Stengel, Henderson

          • Guest

            Rowland, Leigh Ann Robinson, Johnson, Grubka, Eddy, Buczowski,, Richmond, Freels, Ashley Sanchez, Ubogagu, Cheyna Williams

    • Terry Lash

      Gulati selected Ellis and deserves to be held accountable for this bad decision. Terminate his contract.

      • Guest

        He absolutely needs to go as well.

  • NYRick

    OK let’s take one step back and analyze this. Truth coming here.

    If this is either:

    1. February-March 2015 or
    2. April 2016

    Is this remotely even a possibility?? She could have said “Gulati you are a spineless mother-f*&%$ weasel” and she wasn’t missing the 2 big events the last 2 years.

    This USSF is really a great example for the youth of America for integrity, sportsmanship and leadership. Oh yeah, they do preach all those, but just not anywhere when it gets close to big tournaments.

    • Michelle

      We definitively know the answer to #1 is no, because the team van incident occurred in January 2015. I’m not a Hope Solo fan but this is outrageous. They didn’t punish her for the domestic violence incident, gave a weak 30 day suspension (plus coaches coming to her house) for the DUI, and now you’re dropping the hammer after the WWC/Olympic cycle ended? Come on.

      • rkmid71

        It’s a cumulative thing. Maybe the protective shield of other veteran players finally wore thin. Maybe it was the other players that have been arguing how essential she was to winning — until it obviously wasn’t so anymore and she embarrassed everyone with her classless, sore loser, inappropriate comments while her teammates and particularly the captains stayed silent. Though they terminated her contract, it seems she’s still getting NWSL pay. I’m giving USSF the benefit of the doubt on this one.

        • NYRick

          Cumulative thing, yes. But she has overstayed her usefulness to the business and they have no immediate need to fill her vacancy. It’s a simple business decision. Done everyday around the world in every walk of life.

          • Breakers fan

            Plus it saves face, or attempts to, in the worldwide PR department. They also may look upon it with a degree of cynicism, however. I agree that it is cumulative but I also agree with what you’ve written, Rick, about its timing.

  • Guest

    In other news, it is reported that Banini is out 4-6 weeks

    • dw

      That sucks. I enjoy rooting for her.

      • Guest

        Me too. She can’t catch a break. Would have been exciting to see a front line of her Dunn and Matheson

  • BCAD

    I think majority of us will conclude/have concluded this is we should have punished you before but couldn’t because we needed you to win WC and Olympics. Her comments about Sweden were just an opening to do it. My problem is 1) this should have been done a long time ago if they were going to punish her which I think most of us agree with 2) Don’t pump up her shut outs or her 100th cap or make her team captain. 3) Why they repeatedly let her talk to the media after games completely baffles me.

    • Rufan

      #3) After the WWC in China, I would have thought Aaron Heifetz, the press guy, would have a plan in place for this possibility; instead he got “Soloed” again.

  • dw

    Sucks for us because no way Naeher can generate even about 3% of the posts here that Hope is capable of generating. And Hope provides such great material for the regulars here too. #EndOfAnEra

    • NYRick

      No worries. The Flower Girl will always stir things up.

      • kernel_thai

        She could be the next one suspended.

        • NYRick

          For being too nice and complimentary to the opposition.

          • Breakers fan

            This is Press, I assume, but what is the origin, briefly, of this nickname? I’m embarrassed I don’t already know.

          • NYRick

            All the NT players all had little 2-3 minute cartoon fun anecdotal stories from their soccer pasts. I think they are all on ussoccer.com somewhere or you can find them on youtube. They are actually pretty good and well done. For Press, her story was “The Flower Girl.”

          • Breakers fan

            Ok! I meant to watch those but haven’t gotten around to it yet. Thanks!

    • HOFCToDi

      Hope Solo truly endeared herself to the Brazilian fans:

      ZIKA!

      • Hwah

        Stupid chant then, stupid now.

        • Guest

          Hilarious chant then, funny now

    • Guest

      I guess we will have to settle for talking about Naeher’s play than her personal life lol

    • Cc W

      I feel bad for Naeher, even if she is solid, if she makes one bad miss, she’ll be constantly compared to Hope. There will never be another GK who has been as good as Hope has in the biggest, most stressful moments.

      • Guest

        Naeher does not seem to get very rattled nerves wise – I bet given the shot she could come up with the same clutchness as Solo and then some

        • Cc W

          We do not know what Naeher will be – up until now she has never been in a big game. For every Hope Solo and Bri Scurry there is a Siri Mullinix.

          • Guest

            I can see her outperforming Solo. She will start to rake up the same stats standing behind the USWNT defense during the thwartings, and then she will make big saves when the time comes. Her club play has always been bounds ahead of Solo’s, so I do not see why that would suddenly change at the NT level. She is rock solid and her one non tomato can WNT appearance against China, she made that incredible save at the end of the game. Time will tell but I think good things will come with Naeher

      • Breakers fan

        Before the Colombia game this would have been a lot more true. Now that image is forever available to us in re: Solo’s capabilities. Overall Hope was rarely tested but yes she did make a good number of excellent saves.
        Check out Naeher’s 2 Breakers seasons for a goalie being often tested and responding hugely.

      • rkmid71

        Never is a very long time. Trust me. There will be. She’ll be even better. >6′ (or 5’11” is ok per Steg), agile, tough, clutch and classy to boot. Will Solo nod and say well done? Solo made bad misses along with great saves. Along with the successes, remember the US didn’t win WC in 2007, 2011 with Solo on team and now this OG worst result in history. No doubt Naeher, Harris or whoever will also have ups and downs just like Solo. Don’t feel bad.

  • dw

    You heard it here first, Hope will be the starting goalie for the NWSL LA Blues…

  • brdn08

    More inconsistent punishment from the USSF. Six months for isong the word coward. They would never do that to a star male player especially when the comment when taken in context was the truth.

    • West_of_the_Cascades

      This – 100 times this. I am no fan of Hope Solo, but this is a ridiculous suspension that USSF would never have given to a USMNT member.

      • Frode

        Suspension of USMNT players happens all the time. It’s called not being called up. (Just pointing out the vastly different employment systems between USWNT and USMNT)

        Sunil Gulati’s comments suggest that this was the straw that broke the camel’s back, and perhaps that the punishment was pre-determined and agreed upon by all parties (i.e., a condition of Solo’s return after the van incident). Also, one wonders if the pending domestic violence charges played any role.

        • Breakers fan

          Yes, it was becoming a big, ongoing thorny distraction. The end of an OG does seem to mark a sort of “new beginning” point and this dovetails nicely with that notion.

          Plus, on a purely soccer-playing plane, she is 35 and they now have plenty of evidence of Naeher and Harris from all the training sessions they’ve seen them in. It’s natural for fans to get anxious when the goal keeper is being changed. We just need to let it play out with her replacement and not rush to judgment too quickly.

          • SpiritFan00

            I’m fine with a new goalie — she’s going to be pretty old even for a goalie by 2019. I’m excited by new blood. What I’m not ok with is a 6 month suspension and contract termination for calling a team cowards. I was pretty pissed when she said it, but I look at the things male athletes have done and the 1-2 game suspensions or stern talking to they received, and it blows my mind she got fired and suspended for 6 mo. It also bothers me they lauded her nonstop then fired her as soon as they didn’t need her to win the WC or OG…

          • Breakers fan

            I would ask this, about Solo and her situation: Let’s say none, zero, of her past controversy had happened and then she made this “cowards” statement. Would this have happened? I don’t know but my guess is that if she had a sterling reputation up until now then it would not have happened, at least not nearly as extreme an action. If that is the case, that it wouldn’t have happened if this had been her first questionable act as a USWNT player, then one has to say that, as rkmid71 described it, there is a strong cumulative aspect to this as well. That said, no doubt this is a response to something happening right on the world stage (bad PR) and in a tournament during which she also made a horrendous blunder in another game, and had a PK performance that was less than stellar, in my opinion, so maybe even on a purely “how good is she, really, going forward, compared to who we have?” level they felt ok about this. But, yes, I agree, to say this action taken is all because of one comment I think is disingenuous to some extent.

          • Cc W

            For the PKs – she saved one – that is what you need your GK to do. It wasn’t her fault that 2 stars for the US missed their PKs. And her stalling on the last kick by changing gloves – well what else could she do – she knew the chances were good that they had lost when Press missed, so she tried to get the next kicker off her game, and it didn’t work.

            No way you can blame the PK loss on Hope!

          • Breakers fan

            I give her credit for that 1 save. What I didn’t like was how early she committed on some others – seemed to me that maybe it was so early the PK taker could possibly change her direction seeing where Solo was going – but also in committing early, if the PK taker didn’t change her direction, how Solo just walked over a couple steps instead of making a full dedicated dive in the direction she was predicting. That bothered me, how about you?

          • Cc W

            I agree she could have been better, but the way she lined up and reacted to those PKs seemed to me as the way she has always done it. Often times she doesn’t even move for a kick. It seems like she usually figures there is one weak shooter and when she sees it, she capitalizes on that one shooter. She did it in the 2011 WC – I think I heard her say that. So overall, I don’t think she was better or worse against Sweden than she was in other past PK shootouts.

          • Breakers fan

            Even though it’s the outside world who lavished so much high praise on her all these years, when you hear someone called “the best goalkeeper in the world” for many years you, or I just hope to see some performances in big games that meet that level of praise, like what we saw Tim Howard do in the 2014 World Cup. You want to see, often, like Messi provides, why she is called that. I know she’s very good but I think she’s replaceable at this point. If she’s done with the team she had one of the longest runs of any player ever on any national woman’s team.

    • Ethan

      Well, I don’t think Solo would have received that punishment without her prior controversy.

      • brdn08

        Luis Suarez ring a bell? How about Carli Lloyd punching an opponent? This is a distraction move by the USSF to make sure that the conversation is about Solo and not about the team’s failure.

        • Ethan

          Well, Lloyd is a woman; so, that doesn’t support your “star male player” point. Sure, it may well be a distraction move, but I don’t think it happens if Solo didn’t have a history. Suarez’s contract wasn’t terminated; so, fair enough there. However, I think his 10 or so game suspension comfortably exceeds the number of USWNT matches Solo might have played in over the next six months if she wasn’t suspended.

        • guest

          Haha Suarez is a great example. Dude bites multiple people and is still celebrated. Imagine if we had a USWNT with a record of viciously biting opponents..

  • Guest

    ZZZZZIIIIIIIIIIIKKKKKKKKKKAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

  • HOFCToDi

    Time for the USSF to finally end the “equal play, equal pay” cabal:
    Rampone, Solo, Lloyd, Krieger, O’Reilly, Rapinoe, Sauerbrunn.

    The over thirty crowd must go and thus the end of the USWNTPA as we know it.

    #PaytoPlay

    • Breakers fan

      Upvote for the creative hashtag that no way in the world would ever have been created by anyone else.

  • Guest

    can they suspend Lloyd for ten years as well please

    • Hans Castorp

      Lloyd the comeback kid Baghdad 2028.

  • Paul Klee

    Rich Nichols USWNTPA Director throwing out the red herring that would this happen to a make player. Stop this crap, the Men don’t have salaried contracts.

    • guest

      everything is a gender issue with the uswnt players when it suits their self-interests. the rio olympic disaster is karma for trashing the usmnt.

      • HOFCToDi

        The Rio Olympic disaster is karma for challenging the USSF:
        “Equal Play, Equal Pay”
        CBA/MOU Validity (right to strike)
        EEOC Filing

    • kernel_thai

      So technically he is correct…it wouldnt happen to a male player tho couldnt would be more correct.

  • kernel_thai

    How great is the internet…I just saw a copy of Solo termination letter on Twitter

    • NYRick

      Here it is for the curious.

      • Joel

        Thanks.
        Unfortunately, this makes me think so much less of US Soccer.

  • Guest

    Hope maybe its time to take your show to Europe. Change of scenery and better money. Give it a go!

    • Cc W

      Yup – might as well go make some money.

  • Guest

    Incredibly unrelated, but here is a really good piece on Yanez that I just found, worth watching: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7dnx5uBWt4&app=desktop

  • kernel_thai

    First Han Solo, now Hope. Wow!

  • Cc W

    So first she’s suspended, then her contract is terminated – I’m guessing the meeting didn’t go well when she was told she was suspended, so they fired her.
    Now, while Hope’s actions haven’t always been smart, calling a team cowardly and being fired for it seems extreme. Especially, in light of Ryan Lochte’s actions. US Soccer needed Hope to win the WC and to keep around for the Olympics, but now with no major tourney ahead, they cut her lose – a very calculated move.
    For everyone who is happy about this, you should at least realize that without Hope, this team wouldn’t have been as good as it has been for the last 10 years.

    • kernel_thai

      Well the extremists at USSoccer wanted to hang her then torture her for a few days but the moderates prevailed. This is the same brain trust that gets u Jill Ellis in charge.

    • Observed

      I guess you think it sets a good sportsmanship example to the girls of America to see the greatest GK of all time whine about the other team after a close loss. Solo put the WNT in disrepute. Reputation is important in national teams. She soiled the name of the USA.

      • AlexH

        They were only words and not even bad ones. Athletes put their team in disrepute when they get red carded for violent conduct, or arguing with the referees as well yet their suspensions are rarely more than a game or 2. Coaches routinely bad mouth refs and they have to pay a fine. They don’t get their contracts terminated.

        • Timber Dave

          Yes, and athletes put it in much more disrepute when they exhibit bad sportsmanship in a way that travels far beyond our small world of WoSo. Everyone watching the Olympics around the entire world heard about Solo’s outburst. “Only words” matter too.

          If this had been Solo’s first transgression, it wouldn’t have been such a big deal. Or even if it had been her fourth of fifth. But it wasn’t.

          • guest

            I suppose you are equally angry and outraged that Michael Vick is playing in the NFL, etc etc etc.

            Lotta Schelin – who plays for Sweden – said this about Hope Solo’s comments after the Olympics: “She said immediately that who it turned out didn’t feel nice. But everything is turned into something big when it’s her. It was in the heat of the moment, and she couldn’t hold back. I have a personal relation to her, and think very highly of her. She is a nice woman.”

          • Timber Dave

            Re Michael Vick: No, but I would have been angry if he hadn’t received some kind of consequence for what he did. He did, and it was fine that he came back. With Solo, it’s been one thing after another, and US Soccer finally ramped up their response.

      • Cc W

        I think the team’s poor performance soiled the name of the US more than calling someone a coward. I’m not supporting Hope and her comments, I thought they were dumb and uncalled for, but if she were a man, she wouldn’t have been suspended and fired for calling them cowards.

        • Ethan

          I’m not necessarily disagreeing, but that’s not a completely logical comparison when you consider the 2007 WC comments and the two major talking points before Solo’s Sweden comments. Of course, people have been saying US Soccer is just using those as an excuse to cut strings, but Solo probably should have faced far more punishment than she did after the van incident. (That being said, US Soccer does not cover itself in glory here at all.)

    • Joel

      Jill Ellis stays around. Hope Solo terminated.
      The word “cowards” was not even that strong.
      And, Sweden’s style of play would be deadly for many leagues were it more widely adopted. I wouldn’t watch the NWSL if many teams played that way.

      • Cc W

        And I’ll say it again, Hope’s actions allows everyone else to get off scot free for their poor play in the OG. It is now all Hope’s fault they lost… No one is talking about the coaching or lack of finishing from strikers, poor and porous defense, poor midfield play.

        • Ethan

          So many people have talked about that stuff here and other places (i.e. social media) though. Most of the people who are just focusing on Solo’s actions don’t seem to be serious followers of the USWNT, and thus, what they focus on isn’t really critical in the long run.

          • Cc W

            I appreciate the people who are on this blog a lot. They aren’t just casual fans, so many have a great understanding of the game. I seem to learn something most days.

            In the end, the team will move on without Hope, they players will sign a new contract that looks maybe a little different than before (per diem increased – paid for losses) – both sides will claim victory, and on it will go.

          • Tania

            Completely agree…esp re: what the new contract will have in it. A deal like that lets both sides win enough to save face.

        • FlyingSquirrel42

          I don’t really see Hope becoming a scapegoat for the loss itself. You can criticize her for the thing with the gloves, but usually it seems like keepers who stop 1 of the 5 PKs are considered to have done their part, and the “cowards” comment was after the game and off the field.

    • FlyingSquirrel42

      It comes off as bizarrely inconsistent and arbitrary at the very least. I don’t know Gulati or anyone else at USSF personally, so I don’t want to accuse them of anything, but the oblique allusion to Hope’s previous controversies isn’t a sufficient explanation.

      I mean, if part of the deal after her husband’s DUI in the team van was “one more negative headline and you’re gone,” I could *sort of* understand that, though I’d argue that a single ungracious comment after a defeat is still too inconsequential to count even as a last straw. But since they never explained exactly what went into these decisions, it opens them up to questions of why this and why now. Even if there were legally binding agreements not to disclose details of prior conversations, at least say that much, something like, “Due to legal considerations, we will not be disclosing further details of any discussions between USSF and Hope Solo.”

      • kernel_thai

        The problem is it’s bad parenting. If u threaten ur kids with “set the couch on fire again and ur grounded” ur not really getting at the underlying problem that something is wrong with ur kids. In this particular case USSoccer should have been stunned if Solo didnt say anything. Solo didnt set the couch on fire, she just thru the pillows on the floor and got punished like she was an arsonist.

        • Tania

          You both make good points.

          Truthfully, I look at Solo & think that if they didn’t make mandatory counselling a perquisite of her return after that 30 day suspension, they’re fools, or completely heartless.

  • Gary Diver

    Hope Solo and Ryan Lochte

    1. We don’t know everything that is being played out in the Hope Solo suspension. Maybe things will look different next week.

    2. I am neither a great fan nor a great hater of Hope Solo, but the punishment does seem to me to be excessive for the crime (even taking into account past issues). The fact that the suspension extends past the important 2017 January camp may in reality turn this 6-month suspension into a “life-time ban”.

    3. Maybe USSF just wants to get rid of Solo for internal reasons involving the pay and contract disputes with USWNT. Since Solo was one of the “Gang of Five” in the wage discrimination dispute, one has to wonder if this was not an act of convenience for Sunil Gulati. And don’t forget that it was Hope Solo who led the Hawaiian turf revolt that forced USSF to eat crow. Could this be payback?

    4. One has to wonder about the timing. USSF has put up with much worse when they felt they needed Solo on the field. That is all changed now and so is their response to a Solo issue.

    5. Now compare Solo’s situation with Ryan Lochte’s situation. What Lochte did was at least 50 times worse than what Solo did. It is reported that US Swimming had conversations with Lochte and told him that if he did not apologize he would receive a life-time ban. Honestly, Lochte’s apologizes are not really apologizes. He has not admitted he broke the law, he has not admitted that he lied to the Brazilian authorities and to the US public, and he has not admitted doing anything wrong other than embellishing his original claims. So US Swimming wanted a mea culpa from Lochte and in return Lochte will receive a lighter punishment. And we yet don’t know what Lochte’s actual punishment will be for doing seriously illegal and unethical activities.

    6. Did USSF have conversations with Hope Solo like US Swimming did with Ryan Lochte? Is USSF using this incident to embarrass USWNT and get rid of one of their chief “trouble makers”. Time will tell, but there is probably more to this story than we know at this point.

    7. What Solo wrote in the heat of the moment was poor sportsmanship and was against the Olympics spirit, but I wonder if the other players were saying similar comments to each other in the locker room immediately after the loss. Actually the words that Solo used in her tirade sound like something that would emerge out of conversations among several people. When upset you can think unsportsmanlike thoughts and even say them privately, but never let the public hear or read them.

    We will see next week if there is more to this story or whether it is a simple slam dunk as it appears to a lot of people.

    • Cc W

      Agree with everything you wrote! I swear Clint Dempsey has been quite vocal over the years and his contract was never terminated. What a mess. Wish I hadn’t renewed my USS membership.

    • kernel_thai

      5. Lochte has ruined any chance he had to play for the USWNT

      • Guest

        He can renew his chances by scoring some goals off of set pieces and then spending the rest of the match standing by the opponent’s 18 yard box and then use his voice as team captain to laud his career

      • FlyingSquirrel42

        2015 Women’s World Cup

        Ryan Lochte
        0 goals
        0 assists

        • Gary Diver

          But Ryan Lochte has amazingly landed on his feet and has been given a contract to appear on “Dancing With the Stars”. No bad deed goes unrewarded.

  • Ando91881

    U.S. Soccer actually loves Hope Solo, even though they routinely give her slaps on the wrist. (Don’t ever do that again, you evil witch!)

    In women’s sports like this where the media visibility is low, there is generally no such thing as bad publicity. Solo being a villain helps keep the USWNT somewhat in the eye of the general public. Not much different from Dennis Rodman when he played in the NBA.

    The question is, when Ms. Solo is retired in a year or so…which USWNT player will take her place as the mischievous one?

    • mskillens

      There is nobody else. Wambach and Solo were the two most outspoken female athletes in the world and they took them both out. Now we have nobody.

      • mockmook

        Wambach’s lack of good play “took her out”.

        And, BTW, both are still free to express their opinions — they will even get some free press for doing it.

  • Gary Diver

    Gender Issue and USSF Hypocrisy

    On other sites people have pointed out that Tim Howard, Clint Dempsey, and other USMNT players have said very inappropriate things in the past and USSF just winked and gave them a pass. The question is has any USMNT player ever been punishment for an inappropriate comment?

    • HOFCToDi

      The U-23 USMNT failed to qualify for the 2016 Rio Olympics. The U-23 USMNT failed to qualify for the 2012 London Olympics.

      • Gary Diver

        Actually I am taking the Olympic Oath into account when I earlier said: “What Solo wrote in the heat of the moment was poor sportsmanship and was against the Olympics spirit, but I wonder if the other players were saying similar comments to each other in the locker room immediately after the loss.”

        I am just say that personally I feel the punishment is excessive for the offense and there may be other factors involved in the USSF punishment. Keep in mind that USSF has a checkered track record when dealing with internal issues. In a few weeks things should be clearer whether USSF made a fair and just decision.

        • HOFCToDi

          Checkered track record? As if FIFA does not have enough credibility issues.

    • #1Fan

      Cmon – its not just the comment. You cannot isolate it that way. Has a USMNT player taken the team bus for a joyride with a drunk gf or spouse at the wheel ? Or been involved in a high profile DV case.

      • David K Anderson

        Exactly! This is more of a persistent infringement booking sort of thing…

        • Gary Diver

          I understand it probably was a cumulative effect of several Solo issues over the years. But the timing of the “last straw” is odd, since it could have happened before WC15 but USSF needed Solo on the field at that time.

          It would be nice if USSF provides some transparency and gives more details involved in the process so people can be assured that Solo’s punishment didn’t involve factors not related to her personal conduct.

  • Guest

    With the mountain of good keepers that they have – Naeher, Harris, Franch, Barnhart, Betos, Kopmeyer, Rowland, Wys, Campbell…. if they take her back after this then that will really be telling. Maybe they live by the mantra “no publicity is bad publicity”, and no one brings in more of it like she does

  • Guest

    Sweden parks bus —> USSF gets on said bus —-> bus runs over Hope Solo

    • ARED

      Investigation reveals Sunil Gulati is not licensed to drive busses —> Or soccer teams.

      • kernel_thai

        Maybe Jerramy Stevens was driving the bus.

        • ARED

          Ha….yours is better. ; )

  • Gary Diver

    Coward Soccer

    A number of people on this site more or less called Sundhage’s strategy a form of hide and seek. As I mentioned below, I would be very surprised if several USWNT players were not saying similar things to each other in the locker room.

    Are results the only thing that matters? Isn’t soccer suppose to be “The Beautiful Game”? And didn’t the originator of that moniker make the claim that “a penalty is a cowardly way to score”?

    From another site: “While “winning is winning” is a fine short term strategy, it isn’t necessarily a good for the game in the long term. Parking the bus is boring. Viewers don’t want boring. They want intense, exciting, dramatic games. If a game is boring, they’re more likely to change the channel, or spend their ticket money on something else. There’s a reason the vast majority of endorsements are with attacking players. And while the men’s game has enough support to have defensive style strategies, the women’s game does not. So yeah, “winning is winning” but how much good is that going to do if no one is watching?”

    I’ve suggested that every team should play a rope-a-dope strategy against Portland (just as Portland recently used against Seattle) if they want to minimize the GD and if they do that we should expect to see a lot of 1-0 games. Boring soccer may win games, but it is the enemy of soccer growth in the United States.

    • Tania

      I wholeheartedly agree.

      Where I waiver is on the topic of who we can expect to address the problem. You & I have used hockey as an analogy in many soccer related convos. Much like it’s been on the NHL to make adjustments to try to improve scoring & minimize the effectiveness of the NJ Devils, neutral zone trap style of play, I think it’s on the governing bodies in soccer to do the same re; the ‘parking the bus’ strategy. A coach’s job, at the end of the day, is to win. They can’t be expected to risk their job security to make the game ‘more fun to watch.’

    • Hood

      “Winning is winning” was fine for Solo and you when using dirty tricks against Sasic and Dahlquist. “Winning is winning” was fine four you when JJ fouled Popp just before she could score in last years SF.

      I guess “winning is winning” is always fine for you when in games France and US the better side which plays more attractive soccer loses

      It seems that “winning is winning” is just not fine for you if the USWNT doesn’t win

      Be honest, have you thought about that when Iceland beat England, when Chelsea won the CL 2013 (SF against Barcelona, final against Munich)

      I know fans are human beings and losing hurts. And I also don’t like that bunkering too much. But coming up with that just after the USWNT lost a game gives an indication what the real problem is

      However, suspending Holo for such a comment is not ok. I agree with you on that point.

      I didn’t like her comment at all since using “cowards” is not adequate. She could have said that she didn’t like the tactics and that she thinks that this will destroy soccer, but blaming them as “cowards” shouldn’t be excused here (she is old and exprienced enough)

      It is sport. And winning and losing in style and fairness is essential for sport.

      I fear the USWNT lacked some class in both recently (greatness has been found, overblown victory tours, changing gloves, calling the winning team cowards)

      Although not American I like that team a lot. They are great representatives for women soccer. But to be honest. I am also a little bit glad that they are kind of “back to earth” now. I guess if they would have won it again they would have finally turned into untouchable super divas

      • kernel_thai

        Popp wouldnt have scored that goal in a million years. That’s why the foul by Johnston was so foolish.

    • #1Fan

      you underestimate how hard it is to do well. this is a natural evolution of the womens game. players and teams need to get better- its that simple

      • Gary Diver

        There are two different situations:

        1. Weak teams playing a superior team, such as tomato cans playing USWNT. The goal here is not to win, but to reduce the GD and most often USWNT does not score as many goals against these teams as they would if those teams attempted to play USWNT straight-up.

        2. Good teams which have counter-attack capacities playing a team which has superior players with superior talents. For example, the recent “ugly game” that Mark Parsons played against Seattle and Pia Sundhage strategy against USWNT in OC16 QF game.

        I believe most teams playing the “superstar” Portland team should consider some form of rope-a-dope. And the Netherlands should attempt a repeat of the Swedish strategy when they play USWNT next month. If Ellis loses that game, she should be fired. (Fool me once, fool you; fool me twice, fool me.)

        • guest

          Not sure that “superstar” Portland team has demonstrated enough dominance over other NWSL teams to warrant rope-a-dope (nor enough to have earned a superstar label). Seattle in 2014 and 2015 seasons more clearly dominated the regular season (more so than Portland has in 2016) until they (twice) lost championships to FCKC. Do agree that as general level of woso has improved there is a growing role for tactics (vs just bigger, faster) to have more impact

          • Guest

            Countering Portland and stretching them out was the best way to open up their defense in the early part of the season. It might be tougher now with Amandine in the fold.

    • mockmook

      Soccer has thrived with the current rules (and similar strategies) for at least a half of a century.

      You don’t change the game to satisfy the USA — you let the USA adapt to the game (as it is doing). Watched some NCAA games last night, many of the women’s games are drawing record crowds as the game slowly builds in the USA.

  • Gary Diver

    Out of curiosity, what do people think Abby Wambach’s punishment would have been if she had gotten her DWI arrest exactly one year ago before she officially retired? Six month suspension?

    • HOFCToDi

      Employment with ESPN.

      • kernel_thai

        So with retirement on the horizon, Solo’s comments were just her touching up her resume. Brilliant!

  • Gary Diver

    Hope Solo and USWNT

    Solo’s suspension/termination most likely will have repercussions on USWNT. Anybody want to guess what these repercussions will be? My guess is that the combination of the OG16 debacle and Solo’s suspension will negate USWNT’s leverage in their contract talks which may end up going nowhere.

    • kernel_thai

      The most interesting side effect will be seeing what Ellis will do with the opportunity. Do we just see Naeher again and again. Do we see Harris and Naeher competing on the field? Do we see a third GK added?

  • thegirlnextdior

    in other words, this the only way naeher or harris can get some minutes under their belts.

    • kernel_thai

      Which begs the question, wouldnt they have been better off not doing anything but ignore Solo until she retired? Was the $28K or so they saved in salary worth the hassle this will cause?

  • Hugo

    1.) How big is that? It seems she still gets her money and she still can play for the NWSL. She “rests” 6 months for the national team. You could have although said, that after the Olymics the USWNT will test other goalkeepers for some games (not sure whether those tests will be a real test for any goalkeeper)

    2.) Suspending her for her comments is ridiculous. Ellis could have said she doesn’t fit to the team spirit any longer and she will not be invited anymore.

    But having an official suspension? For poor sportmanship? Where does that start? Really?

    But maybe they just tried to get attention back to women’s soccer. Then it was smart…

  • ARED

    US Soccer never ceases to boggle the mind. To the extent that unbelievable stories/actions/decisions like this really have become entirely believable.

    ***I’m pretty sure I’ve posted this exact comment here at least 1-2 times before***

  • Nicole C.

    If I were Barnhart, Betos, or Kop, I’d be playing out of my skin to get that January camp spot.

    • kernel_thai

      U mean the slot that is Jane Campbells to lose?

    • Kop, Franch, Campbell. Also, if Naeher can’t grasp the #1 spot from here (on out) I think we have an issue. If Solo does come back and claims the #1 in Feb. that will be ridiculous.

  • Guest

    Idiocy. They don’t suspend her for her recurring criminality because they need her for World Cup 2015 and Rio 2016. Now they suspend her six months for using the word ‘cowards’?! And they entrust the most talented roster in the world top to bottom to a mediocre coach like Ellis with predictable result?? US Soccer is a joke.

    • skybolt

      That’s my issue as well. It’s almost like a judge giving a criminal a pass for burglary and armed robbery, but then giving them a 6 month sentence for disturbing the peace. If the US had beaten Sweden in rout to an Olympic gold medal and Hope still made those comments after the game, there would be no punishment. At this point, the USSF is probably thinking, shoot, this team really underachieved. Let’s send them a message that we’re not pleased by giving one of their most outspoken players Solo a harsh punishment. Perhaps in their mind, this sort of punishment will dissuade the rest of the team leaders from seeking equal pay. Another reason the USSF may have taken the “cowardly” statement so personally is because it pretty much describes the men’s NT play against top opponents in major tournaments.

  • ARED

    Well, on the bright side, if you were looking for a lawsuit/appeal in WoSo that actually has a strong case -this might be it it.

    (But who knows what her contract and the PA rules actually say…).

  • guest

    The underuse of other goal keepers is mind boggling. Almost as mind boggling as the underuse of Christen Press, which, if she doesn’t get more PT this cycle, will go down as the worst mismanagement of a player in US Soccer history. IMO one of the top five forwards to come out of the US system and her development has been blocked by every inferior player possible-Leroux, ARod, Lloyd, old Abby.

    • guest x

      “And her development has been blocked …”
      Appears you forgot to include Press in your list of players blocking Press.

      • anon

        The person blocking Press is Jill Ellis.

        • Gary Diver

          After OG16, Press will permanently be in Jill Ellis’ doghouse until one of the two retires.

          • Reality

            Press has always been mismanaged by Ellis and the WC and OG were no exceptions. Ellis’s poor management in general cost us the OG and it can’t be too soon that she is replaced by a forward thinking manger so that players in their prime like Press can be used appropriately and young players can be brought in to transform the team.

          • I don’t think its Doghouse as in getting all the blame. I really don’t see Jill disliking Press as a person.. more so, I really think Jill is a bad coach in terms of not knowing what to do with Press and how to best utilize her. So I guess doghouse isn’t the word I would use..

  • Gary Diver

    Inability to Apologize

    Why is it so hard to sincerely apologize for something you did wrong or said wrong? Our national politicians cannot do it. Ryan Lochte cannot do it. Hope Solo cannot do it. Is is so strange that people cannot do the right thing, especially when it is in their self-interest to do the right thing.

    • rkmid71

      “Talent is God given. Be humble. Fame is man-given. Be grateful. Conceit is self-given. Be careful.” ~ John Wooden

  • Gary Diver

    Hope Solo and Ryan Lochte II: Fairness Issue

    I think most of us would agree that what Ryan Lochte did was at least 50 times worse than what Hope Solo did. Lochte committed vandalism, fabricated a false story, made a false police statement, lied to the American public and to his mother. It has been reported that US Swimming told Lochte that if he did not apologize, he would be banned for life. So Lochte sort of apologized, but did not actually admit doing anything wrong except embellishing his story.

    It the world is fair and Lochte’s offence is 50 times worse than Hope Solo’s offence, Lochte should be banned for 25 years. It will be very interesting in light of Solo’s punishment to see what US Swimming does with Lochte.

    P.S. FIFA gave Seth Blatter a 6 year banishment. His offences are over 100 times worse than Hope Solo. And Blatter wants his punishment overturned or reduced.

    • Excuses..Excuses

      Dude, STFU! What USSF chooses to do with Solo has nothing to do with Ryan Lochte’s or anyone else’s situation. You sound stupid.

      • Gary Diver

        We are dealing with misconduct by Olympics athletes that occurred at the same 2016 Olympics. (USOC could have taken action against both athletes but passed the buck.) The public has definitely compared these two cases and it is not outrageous to expect the two US sports federations involved to treat athletes in a relatively fair way.

        Would USSF suspended Clint Dempsey for 6 months if he has said similar things? Just a question to think about.

        • Guest

          I think Lochte lost all his sponsors already. I wouldn’t be surprised if he never swam for team USA again. I actually expect he won’t.

          • Gary Diver

            We will see. As I mentioned earlier, reports are that US Swimming told Lochte: if no apology, you will get a lifetime ban. So we got an apology of sorts.

            Lochte has lost several major sponsors, but I don’t know if he has lost all of them. And I am amazing that he has been hired to appear on “Dancing with the Stars”.

          • mockmook

            So, there is disparate treatment. Why do you assume it is Solo’s treatment that is the unjust one?

        • Excuses..Excuses

          Fair enough, sir. My over the top reaction resulted from this constant comparison that I’ve seen in the last 24hrs. I just see others bringing up Ryan as a means to excuse Hope.

          At the end of the day, USSF and the US Swimming are two separate organizations and have the right to handle business accordingly. As someone has already mentioned, Lochte has lost 4 big-time sponsors,which is still a pretty big deal.

          At the same time, I do agree with others that the time of this “suspension” is a bit suspect and hypocritical. Hope should have be “punished” for various actions long ago. This “coward controversy” is most likely a scapegoat for something else.

          Oh, and as someone who has never cared for Hope, I have to admit it is kinda crappy for Sunil and gang to discard her now that the is no longer winning.

      • sudeep das

        Well from a neutral standpoint it looks extremely skewed that from the same Olympic team one athlete got banned for making an unwarranted comment while another athlete who fabricated lies in a foreign country got away scot-free to be back in the limelight.

        • David K Anderson

          Same team, but different sports federations. The United States Olympid Committee almost always allows each sport’s national federation handle disciplinary matters.

        • In Swimming federations defense, they did say further action will be coming. I expect they are weighing the punishment. Kind of like USSF did with Hope. Didn’t hand it out for a couple of weeks after.

          Another note, they made Jill meet with Hope in person. Was this her decision? Does she support it or does she disagree with it and they still made her talk to Hope?

    • Get it Straight

      “…fabricated a false story, made a false police statement…” Wrong. He and his friends were held at gunpoint by off-duty prison guards working security, and mugged to the tune of $400.

      • Gary Diver

        Earth to “Get it Straight”: What world are you living in!

        Lochte originally told the police and the US public that his taxi was pulled over and fake policemen told him to get out and hit the ground. . . .

        If you believe his revised story, it began with a totally drunk Lochte trying to break into a locked restroom which led to vandalism on Lochte’s part. None of which appeared in Lochte’s original story.

  • Gary Diver

    Was It One Word Too Many?

    Too bad Solo wasn’t using software like EQ uses that prohibits you from using words on their “prohibited word list”. (Yes, there are certain words EQ will block you from using. Just ask Steg.) Actually if Solo had just left that one word (“cowardly”) out of her comments, would her comments still got her into her current trouble?

  • AlexH

    Hope Solo’s comments showed poor sportsmanship. It’s unfortunate but certainly not 6 month suspension worthy. Hell, PIa’s retort “I don’t give a crap, she’s going home we’re moving on” was also not sporting and had a bad word. Should she be banned as well? Of course not, that would be stupid.

    • Gary Diver

      And maybe the “bunch of cowards” originated from another USWNT player after the loss and Solo took it to heart.

  • AlexH

    Solo’s teammates should be worried. If they can terminate Hope’s contract for saying that opponent’s tactics were cowardly they can pretty much terminate a contract for anything.

    • Gary Diver

      We will certainly never hear any criticism of Jill Ellis’ incompetent coaching during OG16. This could be a pre-emptive muzzling of USWNT players.

      • kernel_thai

        The last time they complained about a coach they got stuck with Ellis…likely they r afraid

    • guest

      the ussf should terminate all uswnt guaranteed contracts. pay to play. just like the usmnt. equality for all.

      • AlexH

        Yes they should. But it should be completely above board not based on the thinnest of pretexts such as the case with Hope.

  • Miami66

    I think it’s more about the accumulation of incidents than these comments specifically.

    • Gary Diver

      Again, it is the timing that is odd. This could have easily happened before WC15, but USSF needed Solo on the field and now they don’t need her at all.

      • Miami66

        Oh yeah, they knew she could help win the World Cup. Now they know they can get Naeher and/or Harris more experience and time ahead of 2019.

        • JL

          Everyone is automatically assuming that Naeher or Harris is going to be the starter going forward. If Solo’s rise to the #1 tells us anything, it’s that the future is unpredictable. Back when the old guard retired or were forced out, there were a number of keepers in play to become Scurry’s replacement. Very few thought Solo was going to be the one to take over. Most were picking players like Branam or Mullinix or even Luckenbill.

      • #1Fan

        one could argue they still do. She is not old for a GK and I for one believe ON the field she is still the best option and shows little sign of that changing

        • Gary Diver

          I know this is heresy, but I hope the Netherlands beats USWNT next month. That would cause seriously needed introspection.

          Back in February I heard a soccer podcast where a couple of USWNT fans were arguing that the best thing for USWNT’s future would be for them to lose all 3 SBC games. The complacency surrounding Jill Ellis and USWNT is becoming lethal. At the time I thought to myself that these women were crazy. I don’t feel that way now.

        • Bruce

          Could be, but that bridge has been burned from both ends at this point…

      • guest

        the timing might make sense. hope’s domestic abuse is going back into court. if she’s found guilty, the ussf can now avoid another hope solo embarrassment since she is not an employee.

    • AlexH

      Luis Suarez had and accumulation of incidents as well. They all involved trying to eat his opponent. Result: 4-month ban.

      • Just So

        They should have put a lifetime muzzle on his face so he could not bite a human again while playing soccer.

      • Bruce

        This. Lol.

      • kernel_thai

        U misspelled Hannibal Lector

  • Bruce

    Not much of a Solo fan, but…

    Petty and small minded action by the USSF. An official six month suspension is a death sentence for Solo’s ability to make money off the field. They could have just stopped calling her to camps and reached the same result from a team perspective without attacking her pocketbook.

    This type of cowardly move says a lot more about the vindictive, partisan environment inside the USSF than anything else. I hope she sues the s— out of them.

    • Patriot

      She soiled the name of USA soccer. Good riddance. And boo hoo about a multi-millionaire losing no money: her salary is not impacted.

      • AlexH

        “Soiled the name of USA soccer” Did I wake up in 1895 or something? Next thing you know they will ban Alex Morgan for not wearing a corset and Christen Press for revealing her ankles in the Body Issue.

        • Gary Diver

          Good point! The nude magazine photos could have been used against Morgan, Press, and Krieger to mothball them if USSF wanted an excuse to push them aside.

        • Terry Lash

          USSF is sexist, without doubt. Some former players are elitists as well. This really struck me when Julie Foudy criticized Solo seemingly for not acting like a white middle class suburbanite.

      • Bruce

        These women make as much/more on endorsements, appearances, etc. than on salary. It was a vindictive move designed to affect that which could be worthy of legal recourse.

        • #1Fan

          so you dont think the long list of other transgressions impacts that in any way?

          • Bruce

            Not saying that at all. If Brian says the same thing nothing happens.

            It’s the distinctly *punitive* nature of the punishment that’s off. They could have not excluded her from friendlies, not called her to camps and/or declined to renew her allocation. That’s how the system is set up. It’s all fair game.

            Heck, if US Soccer was really smart, they would have found a way to use Solo as personality that drives interest in the NWSL. Can you think of a serious sports league that runs away from highly recognizable, opinionated personalities even when they say unpopular things?

          • Gary Diver

            Good points!

            First of all, when Christine Sinclair during OG12 implied that the Norwegian referee was in the pocket of USWNT, Canadians supported Sinclair, saying it just showed she wanted to win for her country. And that incident also involved sportsmanship and the Olympics oath.

            Second, if USSF feels strongly that Solo has to go, then they could have worked something out so she “quietly retires”. Solo has said she wants to start a family so it would be easy to do. The fact that USSF wanted to make a public spectacle of this implies something else is going on behind the scenes.

          • Bruce

            Maybe something is going on behind the scenes, but definitely not between the ears.

          • Hwah

            I haven’t read the MOU in ages, but I think they can’t terminate a player if they are pregnant. Maybe they didn’t want her to get pregnant before they could terminate her? Feels gross.

          • #1Fan

            because she is a serial offender who was probably on a last warning. She was probably also told – no BS at the Olympics please,. There were also strong rumors about her behavior in London esp around the NBA players.

          • AlexH

            Please list her serial offences… I doubt if you put them end to end they don’t warrant anything close to a contract termination. And calling somebody a coward hardly even rates as an ‘offence’

          • #1Fan

            so let me ask you this. How many other WNT players in her time on the team have accumulated behavior related suspension?

            The major ones are Scurrygate- Joyriding- Arrested for DV- This

          • Bruce

            Then remove her from the team with due process, not in a vindictive way that opens the USSF to legal action and damages the brand of all parties involved.

          • #1Fan

            so how exactly should they do that?

          • Bruce

            Exclude her from upcoming friendlies. Don’t invite her to camps. Let her contract expire and don’t renew. It’s pretty simple.

            Summary contract termination is what opens up the can of worms.

          • Terry Lash

            Yes, you are right. The termination action shows once again what a poor leader Gulati is. He is the one who should have his contract terminated.

          • The problem I have with it, is This, isn’t in any same realm of the other offenses. So USSF, man up and do something about it the first time. 6 months and termination of contract after DV arrest, absolutely. But they thought they “needed” her. Now they just look weak.

          • AlexH

            Ding, Ding, Ding.

          • #1Fan

            I respect your opinion, but there is no easy side of this. You can say needed, or maybe they tried to give her a chance> the optics are going to look bad no matter what

          • Well then they should have seen this coming. How many chances does one person get. Its like going back to a bad boyfriend who says he’s changed.. They knew what they were getting 100% in Hope. So don’t let her speak to the media. Don’t let her be the face of the team. Don’t promote her 200 caps and 100 shutouts like it’s going out of style.

          • #1Fan

            i am reluctant to type what i ant to, but when Greg Ryan took a stance vs Solo and wanted to cut her completely, what happened? he was fired adn his contract not renewed . i think he lost one game as HC 45-9-1 . I see this as the USSF taking a stand vs Player power. they have caved to it in the past and now they are not. RTbh I see it as a good thing IF that is what this leads to. And if Solo happens to be thrown on the fire, i really dont care. Maybe the punishment IS to strong, but if this leads to a better WNT, then Im all for it no matter how bad it looks now.

          • Bruce

            I appreciate your sentiments. Cannot see how they’ve moved the ball forward with this move, though.

          • Ok I see what you’re saying. And if this does lead to removal of “player power” than that is a great outcome. But I don’t think that is the case. I don’t really think USSF has an issue with most players who have the power (Alex, Pinoe, Carli), thus they don’t really care. They do have issue with Solo because she continually makes the program look bad. I guarantee they don’t care if Carli Lloyd doesn’t show up to Houston the rest of the season, because that part of it doesn’t matter to US Soccer. It’s clearly a -care when they want to, look away when it does matter to them -situation.

          • JL

            But that one loss is still considered the worst loss the WNT has ever suffered. If he had made that decision, but the team lost 1-0 or even were eliminated on penalties, Ryan may have kept his job.

          • rkmid71

            Even though she didn’t play in that game, do you think Solo bears any responsibility for that 2007 loss? Was her behavior after not being selected for that game distracting to the team in prep?

          • FlyingSquirrel42

            The thing with the DV case is that there isn’t any proof of what actually happened. I can understand USSF being hesitant to hand down punishment over an unresolved case when both parties are presenting completely different stories. If there were video, or an impartial witness, corroborating the alleged victims’ version, then I hope, at least, that they’d have taken earlier and harsher action. The incidents of her running her mouth and even her husband’s DUI arrest don’t really contain much ambiguity.

            I still have trouble understanding why they’d do this over what has to be the one of the mildest of her various controversies, though. Basically, she was a sore loser, and while it’s ungracious and embarrassing, it’s not *that* big of a deal compared to plenty of other poor behavior by athletes and celebrities. If she’d said something bigoted or xenophobic about one of their opponents or gotten into an altercation with other players, that would be another story, but it’s hard to see how this is even at the level of, say, Dempsey ripping up a referee’s notebook.

            It kind of reminds me of a (possibly apocryphal) story at the middle school I attended in which a student got up from his desk during class and called the substitute teacher a “m—–f—–,” and was then punished for being out of his seat.

          • Rumors of what? Like hookups? Not sure why USSF would care what she (and a ton of other athletes) do in their free time after the competition.

          • #1Fan

            of course they care. I dont think you fully value the whole WNT wholesome aura that they rely on to draw the young girl audience. You also undervalue the fact that USSF pays them. If you did what she did joyride alone at may company, you would be terminated immediately.

          • Gary Diver

            Compare Solo’s case with Christine Sinclair’s case in OG12 where the Canadian federation refused to take action against Sinclair for more egregious behavior.

          • David K Anderson

            Outrageous, considering Sinc’s long history of embarrassing her federation and country.

            Oh, wait…

          • Gary Diver

            The Canadian Soccer Federation would never punish any of their players, no matter what they did, if it was done in a match against USWNT. After OG12, the Canadian players were publicly laughing about Tancredi’s stomping of Lloyd’s head and everybody in Canada thought it was funny and Americans were wimps on the field.

          • kernel_thai

            But it is a good example in this way. Sinclair strikes me as a quiet, even tempered player who if she says anything at all its usually self deprecating. Yet in the heat of the moment she said some things totally out of character. If it can happen to her it shouldnt be a big surprise that in happened to Solo who has a history of talking without thinking.

          • AlexH

            What exactly is her long list???? She ripped her idiot coach for being an idiot 9 years ago, the van (which was forgiven given the proximity to the WC) and what else.

            Calling somebody a coward is nothing BTW.

        • guest

          lol. i think hope’s endorsements and appearances dried up a long time ago.

    • AlexH

      S— is a bad word. Be careful or you might get a 6 month ban from EQ. I know you only used 1/4 of the word so I guess we’ll be seeing you in 1.5 months.

      • Bruce

        snot? ok?

      • David K Anderson

        Yeah, but it’ll only be for two threads, and he’ll still be able to post for his club team.

    • Gary Diver

      The timing and severity of the punishment does not pass the smell test. Some else is afoot in this case.

    • guest

      hope still get’s three months severance from the uswnt. so we are really only talking about three months. and she’s still getting paid for the nwsl. i think she will survive and still be able to feed her family.

  • Guest

    Does anyone know what happened to Sinead Farrelly? Where’d she go

    • guest

      Injured and out for the year due to car accident.

      • Guest

        Ouch is she ok? How severe?

  • AlexH

    Didn’t that football player that punched out his girlfriend (later wife) in the elevator only get a 2-game suspension?

    • Miami66

      Yeah then they reversed it to the whole season and he was released and still hasn’t been signed by anyone.

      • AlexH

        But didn’t he successfully appeal the whole season ban?

  • Gary Diver

    Hypocrisy and Pia Sundhage

    The issue of the Olympics Oath is interesting in that it is used only when convenient and it is usually considered just an ideal.

    How about Pia Sundhage directly telling her players not to try to win the China game? An ugly 0-0 draw no less. To me not attempting to win a match is a violation of the Oympics Oath of good sportsmanship, but people laugh and say, “that is just an ideal, Sundhage’s job is to get results”. I believe Sundhage should have been criticized for playing for a draw though technically she did not break any ethical rules.

    • JL

      Interesting how she got criticized for her KO round tactics, but escaped criticism for intentionally playing to a draw to get what she perceived as a favorable opponent in the QF. That should have been enough to get Sweden DQ’d from the tournament, just like Japan should have in London, and some badminton teams were in London.

    • mockmook

      “How about Pia Sundhage directly telling her players not to try to win the China game?”

      Do you have a link for that?

  • Joel

    Bobby Knight threw chairs. No suspension or termination. Mike Tomlin interfered with a kickoff return. No suspension or termination. McEnroe, Connors, Nastase repeatedly made rough comments. Ndamokung Suh stomped on players on the ground over and over again. Short term suspensions, no terminations.

    US Soccer overreacted on this one. One could observe that they reacted in the heat of the moment and without appropriate consideration. Not unlike the object of their actions. Any objective observer would see as much.

    • skybolt

      Not to mention Tancredi joking about stomping on Carli’s head without suffering and repercussions from the Canadian federation.

      • Joel

        I hadn’t heard of that one.

        In any case, 6 months suspension and termination are way too much for “cowards.” Yet after the bottom line of Brady v NFL (league has great latitude in determining punishment), one suspects that this may stand.

        There should be some protest against US Soccer.

    • David K Anderson

      Um…Knight was fired. It took years and multiple incidents, but so did Solo’s termination (although not nearly as many of either years or incidents, to be sure). McEnroe was suspended multiple times, including one for exceeding a set limit of fines for misconduct. This isn’t a “straight red,” it’s a persistent infringement call.

      An “objective observer” sees a pattern of loose cannon behavior with Solo, sees multiple offenses leading to this punishment (two games and a rather small portion of her salary when it comes down to it).

      • AlexH

        Calling a team cowards for playing bunker ball isn’t even an “incident.” It is ungracious but no more. If Bobby Knight said the exact same thing it wouldn’t even rate in the top 100.

        The only thing that Hope did that was worthy of suspension was the incident with the van, but since that occurred in the run up to the WC the federation gave her a slap on the wrist. The federation way overreacted on this.

      • Joel

        Is “cowards” a violation of some written policy? It is very clearly not like throwing a chair or Tomlin’s interfering with a play. If “cowards” is such a violation, what are typical punishments? Is this written down somewhere or does US Soccer just make this stuff up?

        • kernel_thai

          Typical punishment is u have to write “Swedes Are Not Cowards” 100 times on a blackboard. Gulati is a old school type of teacher.

  • Gary Diver

    USWNT Players and Social Media

    I seems very odd to me that all of the USWNT are laying low and saying nothing about OG16. It is so unlike them to remain silent about anything. Weren’t they going to have “equal pay for equal play” demonstration of some type this summer but cancelled it?

  • Gary Diver

    Hope Solo and Christine Sinclair: Fairness Issue

    What Christine Sinclair did and said during the OG12 SF game was much worse than what Hope Solo wrote after the OG12 loss to Sweden.

    Both cases involve the Olympics and the Olympics Oath!

    Sinclair’s situation involved both actions on the field and comments to the press after the game. Her soccer federation refused to punish her and FIFA eventually gave her a meaningless 4 game suspension.

    Canadians universally defended Sinclair saying that it showed she wanted to win for her country and if you don’t have a passion to win you shouldn’t be at the Olympics.

    After the suspension was announced, Sinclair said: “I don’t regret what I said. We just lost the chance of playing for an Olympic gold medal, and that’s a dream that all of us have. It was a very intense time and I was very emotional and I wouldn’t want to change that.” In other words, Sinclair never apologized for implying that the Norwegian referee was in the pocket of USWNT.

    Where is the fairness in the world? For more serious violations of the Olympics Oath, Canadian defended Sinclair for a similar attitude that a lot of Americans want to use to throw Solo overboard. “Thanks for the memories.”

    • Excuses..Excuses

      Here you go again. Sinclair suffered immensely for what she said. Despite her stellar performance on the pitch that year, FIFA effectively shut her out of the running for POY; that was most likely her best shot at the award. Also, those missed games hindered her chances at passing that international scoring record.

      Oh, and most people recognize that something was definitely amiss with the ref’s calls in that match.

      • Gary Diver

        She never apologized for implying that the matched was fixed. Don’t you think that outrageous claim is a violation of the Olympics Oath?

        And Sinclair was seen publicly laughing with teammates about the Tancredi head stomping of Caril Lloyd in the same game.

      • AlexH

        There is a difference between “suffering immensely” and getting fired. Solo’s words were ungracious, they weren’t vulgar, abusive and they weren’t even that inaccurate. What Sinclair said was far worse.

        • skybolt

          The Canadian federation is probably laughing at the USSF for banning Solo for 6 months. Perhaps next time another team will egg Morgan on to use a swear word during a match so she can get suspended for one year.

    • Tania

      I’m Canadian & I didn’t defend Sinclair. She absolutely got what she deserved & I lost all respect for Canadian soccer & Herdman when FIFA did what they should have done.

  • kernel_thai

    here’s a bit of irony. As Solo reached 200 caps (which USSoccer made a big deal over) during the Olympics, I guess the commemoration was scheduled for the friendly against Thailand. Maybe theyll mail her a t-shirt or something.

    • Cc W

      They gave her her 100 shutout ceremony, with a video and all, so they’ll call it good.

      Just seems to me they could have handled it differently, but again, my guess is Hope reacted much like we all would have if being disciplined at work, and they decided to fire her.

      • Have you heard if Hope is back with the Reign? Will she play this weekend or again at all this season?

        • Cc W

          Absolute radio silence – no one has said anything yet.

          • Won’t be surprised if she isn’t there this weekend. However, I will be upset if Pinoe isn’t in the squad. Probably more so because she made the Rio roster, rather than that she stayed late in Brazil. But I suspect we will see her this weekend. Looking forward to the match for sure. You going?

          • Cc W

            I won’t be surprised either – it just feels strange. I’m planning on going to the game, should be a good one. I agree Pinoe better be ready to play at least for some period of the game, but if she isn’t 100% it may be better if she doesn’t play. I liked seeing some chemistry between Naho, Melis and Little. Hope they can now put it all together and make a run for the playoffs.

          • Guest

            As it stands it’s going to be tough for Seattle to make the playoffs especially if they don’t come away with something against Portland at home. This will probably be the strongest Thorns team they have played all season and I can easily see them losing. Pinoe may not have been missed as much last year but I really think she has been a huge miss this year considering the Reign’s scoring troubles.

          • Yea I expect Portland to win as well. Although a draw wouldn’t surprise me.

          • Just saw while I was on lunch that Pinoe is at practice today, Hope is not.. not that I really expected her to be.

          • Cc W

            Thanks!

          • kernel_thai

            Saw some quotes from Harvey. She said the team understands that Solo has a lot to deal with emotionally at this time and had no idea if Solo would be able to play this weekend or even if she is returning to the team this season.

          • kernel_thai

            Article I reference with Harvey quotes below w.seattletimes.com/sports/reign/suspended-from-the-national-team-hope-solos-reign-future-is-also-uncertain/

          • mockmook

            I’m hoping Pinoe plays because I’m hoping Seattle will lose.

          • Cc W

            Careful what you wish for – Pinoe didn’t do much, but nice finish for the goal. Best I’ve seen Seattle play all year!

  • Fire US Soccer

    My issues with this:

    Let it first be stated that Hope Solo is no angel and is a fiery hothead at times and I would be really pissed if an opponent ever called me a coward after I beat them. That said —

    1) They waited until they didn’t need her to slam her. Even during the Olympics they were promoting her career shutout record. If she calls them cowards but the US wins Gold and she’s their starter, no way they do this. They used her for money/victories then cast her aside.

    2) They are in the middle of a contract dispute with the players. Solo is undoubtedly the person on the team who is the most willing to take the hard road and fight for things and not give up and take the heat. She’s also high profile. So… they got rid of one of their potential fiercest opponents for negotiations.

    3) Her career was over pretty soon anyway — she’s stated she wants to have a kid, and was never gonna be in France in 3 years anyway because she’ll be 38. This suspension is entirely theatre on US Soccer’s part.

    4) Double standard for men and women is obviously the thing that makes me the most mad. Clint Dempsey ripped a ref’s book in half, John Brooks broke his teammate’s (Zlatan) rib in a fight during practice. Ray Rice knocks his wife out and callously drags her body out of the elevator, and only gets suspended after intense public pressure. Michael Vick has a section of his Wikipedia page dedicated to the illegal dog fighting ring he ran AND another section on other crimes/issues he’s been involved in, including dealing and taking drugs, theft, flicking off fans, etc. and yet he was welcomed back into the NFL after serving time in prison…. I could go on.

    • mockmook

      The players can still have Solo with them when they negotiate (if they want her around).

  • Gary Diver

    Alternate Universe: What Would Have Happened If Carli Lloyd Had Wrote What Hope Solo Wrote?

    Most likely a number of USWNT players had similar views (and maybe even shared them with each other) that Solo expressed in writing. (A number of people on this site thought Sundhage took the low road in her strategy.) If Caril Lloyd (who sometimes shoots from the lip) wrote similar thing immediately after the match, would USSF even suspend her for one match? I am sure that if a Canadian player said exactly what Solo wrote, nobody in Canada would want to see any suspension.

    • kernel_thai

      Lloyd couldnt have been fired this week she has personal engagements.USSoccer would have had to wait til next week.

  • Guest

    Way to turn public opinion in favor of Solo again, USSF. Best thing they could have done for her. Everyone is going to want the tell-all I pray she writes.

  • Bruce

    If USSF handles the Solo case in a normal manner ( exclusion > suspension > no renewal ), this all works out on its own. By choosing to turn the knob all the way to 11 for a simple remark, they save maybe $15k on salary – considering severance – while opening themselves up to a potential seven-figure lawsuit.

    Vindictive. Immature. Stupid.

    I’d gather that Solo earns $200k-400k per year outside of the soccer field that USSF has placed in jeopardy by making such a harsh/extraordinary decision. This isn’t at all like the Lochte case where sponsors left before US Swimming said anything. US Soccer’s excessive actions can be interpreted as a direct attack on Solo’s brand and pocketbook.

    http://moneynation.com/hope-solo-net-worth/

    • Gary Diver

      I agree, the mean-spirited way USSF is dealing with this doesn’t pass the smell test. If Solo had to go, they could have let her quietly retire. No, they want to humiliate her, take away huge amounts of her income, and act self-righteous about the whole thing.

      • AlexH

        I think they are trying to distract from their embarrassing exit. Make the story about Solo and by the time the dust dies down anything about their OG failure can be dismissed as “old news”

        • Reality

          It certainly gives Ellis some cover.

          • kernel_thai

            Could be Ellis was sent to Seattle to give Solo an award for achieving 200 caps, and typically bungled it so badly Solo ended up getting accidentally fired.

          • Reality

            Lol…that could be a good SNL sketch.

        • skybolt

          I agree, not to mention the message it send to the rest of the players challenging the USSF with respect to equal pay. It’s a clear message saying not to mess with them. I think Rapinoe opening her mouth against Solo didn’t help matters for the USWNT either.

          • This kind of feels like USSF made Rapinoe say something about it..

          • Bruce

            yes

          • Gary Diver

            It was bizarre that Rapinoe accidentally showed up alone for a NBC interview with comments already in her head. Again, doesn’t pass the smell test.

          • guest

            I don’t think anyone is going to make Rapinoe say something she doesn’t want to say. I don’t get the impression that she is wired that way. Rapinoe has always been outspoken. She give people what’s on her mind. It leads me to believe that there might have been some locker room discord related to Hope.

        • #1Fan

          I dont. i think they have just reached the end with Hope Solo and I also think the whole equal pay thing plays in to it

          • Gary Diver

            “I also think the whole equal pay thing plays in to it.”

            I do not think it is kosher to use Solo as a means to go after the USWNT players union.

          • #1Fan

            all is fair in this game.

          • Gary Diver

            Would an attempt to intimidate the USWNT players be “fair in this game”?

          • #1Fan

            intimidate is a bit strong.

  • Gary Diver

    USSF and Pyrrhic Victory: Won the Battle but Lost the War

    This vindictive punishment of Hope Solo may backfire on USSF. More and more WoSo fans are getting tired of the ineptitude of UUSF, including personnel choices, its star system, and its youth program.

    Is this just a USSF diversion of the OG12 debacle? USSF has every reason for firing Ellis who proved to the world she is totally incompetent and has no business being head coach of USWNT. USSF needs to change the subject before people actually start thinking about what actually happened in Rio. It wasn’t Hope Solo, it was Jill Ellis.

    • #1Fan

      please, what war did they lose? Public opinion?

      • Gary Diver

        The “war” of being competent stewards of American WoSo. As I mentioned: USSF personnel choices, its focus on its star system, and its youth program. I am quickly losing confidence that USSF is doing a proper job managing soccer in the United States.

        • #1Fan

          as i just typed elsewhere, maybe this is the beginning of a change

        • HOFCToDi

          You still don’t get it.

          Taurasi: Team USA’s gold bigger than just a medal

          nbcolympics.com/video/diana-taurasi-team-usas-gold-bigger-just-medal

      • Bruce

        Self-inflicted harm…

        1. They will likely go to court. One day of litigation will erase the $15k of salary they’ve saved via contract termination.

        2. They’ve damaged the brand value of the Seattle franchise by sullying the reputation of their most marketable player.

        3. They’ve damaged the brand value of the NWSL by publicly shaming one of its top three attendance draws.

        4. They’ve damaged the brand value of the USWNT (similarly).

        • #1Fan

          have they? Or have they reinforced the values they stand for, drawn a line in the sand re behavior and on the flip side, made her a local martyr that people will come out to see and support.?

          Time will tell

    • Terry Lash

      Truly, the person who needs to be fired is Gulati, a terrible leader of USSF.

      • dw

        Then a reasonable replacement would fire JK and Ellis

      • Gary Diver

        Agree, USSF needs a housecleaning that needs to start at the top.

      • HOFCToDi

        Get a clue.

        ussoccer.com/stories/2014/03/17/12/49/140301-sunilgulati-reelected-ussf-pres

        • Terry Lash

          What? You support someone who selected Jurgen Klinsmann and continues to support him?

          I did not say I expected US Soccer would fire him, but I think they should.

          • HOFCToDi

            “who ran unopposed in the election”

            Put your hat into the ring and see how you do in the next election.

    • HOFCToDi

      Get a clue.

      Two professional women’s soccer leagues already have gone bankrupt this century. The USSF won’t allow the USWNTPA to bankrupt the USSF.

    • HOFCToDi

      Get a clue.

      WoSo is so popular in the United States that the average attendance for the Chicago Red Stars during the 2016 NWSL Season of 2,987 is down from the average attendance for the Chicago Red Stars during the 2009 WPS Season of 4,928 at Toyota Park.

  • What are media people for?

    Has USSF suspended Hef for letting a clearly steamed Solo within 100 yards of a reporter? If you want to talk about Solo’s learning curve, how about USSF’s?

    • Right? Heif once again failed on this.

      • JL

        With all the PR disasters he has mishandled (the fallout from 2007 being the biggest one) and generally unprofessional behavior (it’s widely rumored that the players despise Heifetz for some of his past behavior), the only reason I think he still has a job is that he has some serious blackmail material on the higher-ups of the federation.

    • AlexH

      The irony is that there is a good chance that there are some clauses in the player’s contracts that force them to address the media. It’s almost as if the press wants to catch players at their worst……nah, couldn’t be.

  • SIP charge

    It seems likely the a condition of Solo’s post van and alcohol meeting was a “No More Stupid in Public” clause. Hence, the fed’s reaction.

    • Gary Diver

      No matter what, this could have been dealt with in a less public, a less mean-spirited way, especially considering that Solo is 35 years old and all that she has done for USWNT over a 15 year period. Even if you are going to execute someone, you don’t have to do it publicly.

    • AlexH

      So Hope Solo letting her husband drive a team van drunk is a slap on the wrist but add saying a really tame criticism of an opponent ramps that up to getting fired? That just doesn’t compute. If the federation had any high moral principals they should have suspended Hope after the van incident and taken their chances at the WC. This thing with the “offensive” comment smells of the federation grubbing for a pretext to get rid of her.

  • Gary Diver

    Where Was Jill Ellis?

    Did Jill Ellis do a post-game interview? Obviously this loss was a big deal and it is the coach’s responsibility to get out in front of the PR. If Ellis didn’t address the loss, eventually somebody on the team would. Too bad Solo could bring herself to say the truth: Sundhage badly out-coached Jill Ellls.

  • The funny thing is, nobody expected there to be any punishment. This had blown over completely. It’s not like the Lochte case where we are all waiting to see what comes of it? Sweden laughed it off after the game, and most US fans were like “Wow, Hope wasn’t lying!” when Sweden did the same thing to Brazil 4 days later.

    • Gary Diver

      It is not funny to Hope Solo – 15 years of great performances for her country and just before retirement she humiliatingly get thrown overboard. The out-of-proportion punishment done in a vindictive manner when the story had been forgotten by most people doesn’t pass the smell test. I sense part of this is to protect USSF, to protect Jill Ellis, and to cause damage to the USWNT players union.

    • skybolt

      Heck, I think it was just the opposite. Sweden and Pia couldn’t even bring themselves to use the same tactic against Germany after all the backlash they received.

    • #1Fan

      I did. I said on here that i thought USSF would suspend her.

      • Hm didn’t see that comment and you were def. in the minority there. Bet you didn’t think it would be 6 months ha

        • #1Fan

          i actually told someone on here I felt that was going to be the “way” they got her off teh team to try out other players. Take the decision away from Ellis

          • guest

            I think they should have just done what any other NT would have. Told Ellis that Solo is not eligible to be called up for the remainder of the team and then refuse to renew her contract. I don’t see the point of making this a story like they have done here.

          • skybolt

            Unless they were trying to send a message to the rest of the players suing for equal pay that you’re one small infraction away from a significant suspension.

          • Gary Diver

            You can punish someone without deliberately trying to publicly humiliate them. There is something very crass with the way USSF is dealing with this.

          • #1Fan

            or maybe the CBA terms mean this is the only way to stop paying her. I dont know if there are fine provisions in it. But I do know that keeping her in the pool and continuing to pay her is a very lax punishment for someone whose last was 30 days.

          • #1Fan

            she publicly humiliated them. On several occasions no ?

          • Gary Diver

            Yes I agree, but two wrongs don’t make a right.

  • Gary Diver

    Words: Hope Solo versus Alex Morgan

    After WC15 on the Jimmy Kimmel Show (August 12, 2016) said “some people might say Canada plays dirty”. She wanted to say “Canada plays dirty”, but hedged it by saying, “it’s not me, but some people might say”. Actually there were reports that a few players on other teams did say that the Canadians played dirty during WC15. So Morgan said something she should not have said in public, while trying to cover herself.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEKUnpedo4g

    Note: 2:45 on clip.

    • mockmook

      Different context. The USA won.

  • Bruce

    Does Carli Lloyd’s blowing off her contractual obligations to the NWSL “represent the ideals of fair play and respect” and “standard of conduct we require from our National Team players?”

    Really, who’s done more damage to the brand and viability of soccer in the US in the last week?

    • Well, you know USSF is googling “What is NWSL?” so…

  • Gary Diver

    Isn’t Hope Solo and Carli Lloyd supposedly very close friends? I assume that USSF has effectively muzzled everybody else so people will be afraid to say anything about this case.

    • Anonymous

      At her destination wedding, hiding from the paparazzi. She’s the best player in the world you know. 🙂

  • Gary Diver

    What If Hope Solo Was Just the Messenger?

    It would be cruel if Solo’s words originally came from another USWNT player(s) and she was just the messenger.

    • braSil

      “I still feel Swedes playing rotten soccer. Glad all teams don’t play that way, I would never support the game” Long favorited this

      • Steglitz49

        Sweden won. That is the object of the game. Neither more nor less. East to forget when you lose.

        • guest

          Steg, off topic but you might want to read article on Washington Spirit site re Ali Krieger and her decision to return earlier than other uswnt players for last weeks Spirit match.

          a couple of Krieger quotes from the article
          “I love this team and would do anything to help it be successful,” she said. “I did not want to sit and watch our match versus Houston if I could physically be there. We want to win the Championship, and I wanted to be there if I could.”

          “It’s simple – I view the NWSL and my club football as just as important as the U.S. Women’s National Team,” said the longtime USWNT right back. “I really want to be a part of the success here and hopefully win the Championship.”

          • Steglitz49

            She leant her lesson. That leopardess can change her spots. Well done!

      • sGuest

        I think Allie Long plays rotten soccer. There, I said it.

  • AlexH

    Dennis Rodman got suspended for 11 games (about 1 month of league time) for kicking a photographer. I guess the lesser punishment was because unlike, Hope, Rodman never did anything to embarrass his employers.

    • #1Fan

      you cant compare the NBA or other pro Mens sports The USSF CBA is so so unique.

      • AlexH

        Yes you can, it’s called context and in the context of the greater sporting world Hope Solo’s transgressions are small potatoes and her punishment grossly excessive.

        • #1Fan

          we agree to disagree then. The US women are cocooned from the greater sporting world. As such I treat them very differently. The suspension she received for the joyride was grossly lax in my opinion – nowhere near enough

  • newsouth

    now, people are crying like babies b/c the evil tet suspended solo for 6 months. yeah, like she don’t be back on the roster in 7 months with a new contract.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9FyrgBwsb8

    • Bruce

      Because everyone wants to go back to work for a boss that goes out of his/her way to publicly shame them.

  • Guest

    This is the right decision. It also happens to be the convenient decision, but that doesn’t mean it is without merit. The last straw is rarely the heaviest.

    She has a pattern of illegal and unsportsmanlike behavior. She is a poor ambassador of sport, brand, and country. There is nothing to indicate that her behavior will improve moving forward, which is a shame, given her talent. She got her 200 caps at the expense of others’ development. Time for her to go away quietly and for once, show some grace and maturity instead of self-excusing hubris.

  • Gary Diver

    Dumping On with Photos

    I noticed in at least one article today that they are using an unflattering picture of Hope Solo. Nothing says you are through more than an ugly picture. It is a little uncouth to shame someone by using ugly pictures, but the media does it all of the time. I expect to see many more unflattering Solo photos.

  • braSil

    1-course that her contract would be suspended due punishment;
    2-Who loses is the USSF, as still pay months;
    3-Ellis went to Seattle to talk to her personally still consider an “education” by the USSF. I do not know if it was spoken some back, but Ellis waited 6 months for Pinoe, then no doubt;
    4-Solo can still play in Europe if you like, which would be a great strategy;
    5-ALL EXCESS IS SOMETHING THAT IS NOT EXAGGERATED

  • mskillens

    If she just made the damn saves, we wouldn’t be having these conversations and Hope would have been hailed as GOAT.

  • Gary Diver

    USSF Hypocrisy

    IF Solo had won the Swedish game with miraculous saves and then USWNT went on to win gold, does anybody believe she would have been suspended if she had made the same comments after the Swedish game?

    As people say here: “Results are the only thing that matters.”

  • Guest

    A good article about the Solo situations that kind of echoes how I feel. I’m not a fan of Solo and think it was time she was phased out but I can’t help but feel uneasy about how US Soccer has approached this situation.

    http://www.fourfourtwo.com/us/features/hope-solo-suspension-uswnt-contract-termination-feels-wrong-us-soccer

    • Gary Diver

      This does not pass the fairness test nor the smell test.

      If Solo had been the hero who won the Swedish match, USSF would not have the balls to suspend Solo. The way USSF is going about this just stinks.

      If USWNT wins gold, everybody is a hero. If USWNT craps out, somebody is going to be the scapegoat and it is not going to be Jill Ellis. And USSF can kill two birds with one stone: Hope Solo and the USWNT players union.

      • rkmid71

        What are you talking about? Don’t unnecessarily complicate things. If Solo had been hero who won the Swedish match, she doesn’t make those ill advised comments and the USSF doesn’t need to take action. The responsibility for this mess is Solo, not the USSF. The USSF is finally taking action. Maybe it’s time for Solo to realize there are consequences for her actions and words. If the US wins gold in flying colors and everybody is a hero, the USWNTPA and the vets are in a much stronger negotiating position. They not only didn’t win it was the worst result in the history of the USWNT. And then they aggravated the situation with boorish behavoir after in contradiction to The Olympic Oath. That puts them in a much weaker position. That has nothing to do with the USSF. It was their own doing. Are you saying they shouldn’t have to take responsibility?

        • HOFCToDi

          The aforementioned poster is quite the drama queen.

          • JL

            You have some nerve calling other posters drama queens, when all you do is repeat the same crap over and over again.

          • HOFCToDi

            Poor Pressie Pooh! No SI photo cover shoot for you!

            cdn-s3.si.com/s3fs-public/2016/08/15/michael-phelps-simone-biles-katie-ledecky-sports-illustrated-cover-2016-rio-olympics-1.jpg

    • Gary Diver

      “It [is] impossible to think about Wednesday without some degree of empathy. You imagine a room, with Solo sitting opposite head coach Jill Ellis and U.S. Soccer CEO Dan Flynn, embracing the shock of a decision she couldn’t have seen coming. How do you react when your bosses fly cross-country to tell you that you’re not only being fired, but the core of your professional identity is being taken from you? That what you’ve been for 17 years is probably gone, forever? And even if it can come back, you’re not the one that decides if it returns. How do you accept that, especially thinking it wouldn’t have happened were it not for one word?”

      Very well stated!

    • If there was some issues within the team in Rio, this whole thing would make more sense to me. Obviously there are behind the scenes stuff about it, no matter from what side. But causing team discontent on top of the comments would be more explanatory. US Soccer just won’t air that part of it.

  • Gary Diver

    The Solo Rumor Mill

    “But there had already been whispers out of Brazil of Solo disparaging teammates when the cameras were off. Hopefully, with a decision as drastic as U.S. Soccer’s, we’ll see those rumors dispelled or validated.” – FourFourTwo article linked below

    This is news to me. Anybody know anything about it? There is definitely something going on that we do not know about yet and maybe this is it. This is one reason USSF needs to clearly explain their actions.

    • leah

      I wonder who those teammates were?

  • #1Fan

    I see Morgan has commented , so clearly no muzzle.

    • GNC

      Where did Morgan comment?

      • Gary Diver
        • Guest

          Morgan’s comments make me wonder if some of the players were ready to see the back of Solo.

          • Frode

            You could also interpret this as meaning that they had been told by US Soccer leadership that this was coming.

        • I would have said nothing if I was her. Just unnecessary since she already said basically the same thing when interviewed in Rio.

        • mockmook

          “Alex Morgan didn’t really say anything not expected.”

          True. She basically said nothing, but padded it with a few words.

    • AnotherGuest

      Morgan’s comments do not lead me to believe that she is supporting Solo in her fight. Since Morgan is hardly at risk of being dropped no matter what she says, I think she could have publicly supported Solo if she had wanted to. I am curious to know if some of the players are simply tired of Solo and think the negative publicity she brings is just not worth it anymore.

  • Gary Diver

    Was the Colombia Performance Solo’s Worst Career Performance? (As some have claimed.)

    When I saw the ball dribble through her legs on the free kick, I said to myself: “No, this is not suppose to happen!” Immediately I felt OG16 was not going to end well for USWNT. But I will never forget that the Colombia free kick only occurred because Ellis put an unfit Rapinoe onto the field who then should have received a red card for her late and reckless tackle. It was a chain reaction of one bad event after another and it all started with Ellis’ incompetence. Looking back, there was little joy for USWNT fans at OG16.

  • Hope got a Golden Glove for the 2011 Women’s Cup!?? How is that possible? In the final match against Japan, she blocked only one of 5 kicks at the end:

    1. She missed Homare Sawa’s spectacular equalizing backwards kick in extra time;

    2. She missed Aya Miyama’s leadoff penalty kick;

    3. She blocked Yuki Nagasato’s penalty kick;

    4. She missed Mizuho Sakaguchi’s penalty kick; and

    5. She missed Saki Kumagai’s Cup-Winning penalty kick!

    Is that really worthy of Golden-Glove performance?

    • GNC

      Golden Glove is determined based off of play throughout the entire tournament. Hope Solo was without a doubt the best goalkeeper in the world in 2011, I would argue she still is, though Lindahl just had the tournament of her life.

      It’s not on the goalkeeper to save every PK in a shootout, it’s their job to save one – which she typically does in shootouts.

      Sawa’s equalizing goal you admit was spectacular. Even the best GKs let in a spectacular goal every once in awhile.

      Disputing her various Golden Glove awards is unnecessary. She won them, end of story.

      • David K Anderson

        Exactly. PK saves are usually more a matter of luck and/or a lousy penalty take than anything the keeper does. Sometimes the keeper guesses right and makes a terrific save at teh same time (that is luck combines with great goalkeeping)…but most PK saves are largely the former. For example, Lindahl, who was terrific during play in the match vs the US didn’t actually do anything spectacular on the two missed US penalties: Morgan hit a marshmallow and Press skied it. Against Brazil, though, one of her PK saves was seriously good.

        • kernel_thai

          Im sure there have been better but the e best performance Ive seen in woman’s match by GKs in a PK shootout was in the NCAA tournament in 2012. Haley Kopmeyer saved 2 for Michigan which normally would be enough. Unfortunately Erin McNulty saved 3 for Penn St.

    • Gary Diver

      It is only reasonable to save one out of five PKs. Saving two out of five PKs requires luck.

      • OK, Gary, I stand corrected. But remember that Japan’s Ayumi Kaihori did indeed get two PK saves: A great kick-save against Shannon Boxx and a routine save against Tobin Heath.

        • GNC

          Why did you bring up an award she won 5 years ago? I’m sorry, but I’m failing to see the point to this argument? She won Golden Glove, like she has in most major tournaments. Her off-field punishments have nothing to do with her on-field performances.

        • JL

          Kaihori knew exactly which way Boxx was going to shoot. Everyone who had seen her take penalties knew that Boxx always went to her right. Any keeper with even a passing knowledge of the US would have been able to save that shot. And Heath hit her kick almost straight at Kaihori.

          • I certainly agree that Tobin Heath had nothing special or strong on her PK. But it still surprised me that Hope missed the kick by Mizuho Sakaguchi. That shot was almost as ineffectual as Heath’s.

  • Gary Diver

    The Ball Is Now In Ellis’ Court (or the Problem is thrown is Ellis’ Lap)

    In some ways, USSF has kicked the Solo can down the road. Assuming there is no bombshell we don’t know about, the Solo issue will only be answered by Jill Ellis six months from now. If Ellis wants her back, she comes back, but if Ellis wants her gone, she doesn’t come back. But it is ironic that Ellis showed little interest in playing any of Solo’s backups when it would have been easy to do so. Maybe the most interesting question concerning USWNT during the next 6 months is whether Ellis needs Hope Solo on the field.

  • mskillens

    Is it true that Hope Solo doesn’t get along with any of her teammates? I thought they were okay with her.

    • GNC

      She and Carli are very close, have never heard anything to make me think she was not close to other teammates. She’s working with Pinoe and Dunn on a new documentary series. But the FFT article seemed to hint at problems with her teammates.

      • Gary Diver

        We will see, but the FFT article almost implies she blamed a teammate for the Swedish defeat. That is why USSF needs to be more transparent in this case.

      • luke

        link to article please?

        • GNC

          Can’t find it at the moment, Believe it was linked on Kassouf’s twitter though

    • I think they are teammates more than “friends” as some of the other gals are. We see some like Kelley, Alex and Tobin hang out a lot outside of NT duty. Not really the case for Solo as far as I’m aware. But that is not to say any of them dislike each other.

      Alex did give a quote today regarding Hope’s situation which for me was interesting. I would not have gone there if I was her.. But to each their own.

      • guest

        Leave Morgan out of this. If not for Hope’s actions no comment would have ever had to have been made and the comment was harmless.

        • Harmless and pointless. Not really her business is what I am implying, but now is being dragged into it. She could have just said “not my situation”

          • guest

            Well she was asked so she answered and being on the team it is her business. This all on Hope and Ussoccer. The comment was nothing so stop trying to start something that isn’t there. Pinoe said the same dang thing before the suspension.

          • Alex fan huh.. (me too)- I’m just saying what I would have done. Also, I said below it felt like US Soccer made Pinoe say something. Probably encouraged Alex to as well. I would not have gotten involved. Also, hard for me to leave Alex out of it once she made the comment..

          • guest

            Nope not even close but whatever. The point is and still remains that the comment was not a big deal at all. Maybe she should have changed bummer to unfortunate but it’s really nothing.

          • Ha ok we are in agreement? Not even sure why you comment back when all I said it was interesting that Alex commented.

          • guest

            Just bored I guess since you asked. Oops I answered just like Morgan did the horror.

          • kernel_thai

            Morgan is also trying to be more a leader on the team and ducking questions isnt the way to do that. It’s usually a no win situation for athletes. If she chooses solidarity people say she is just saying the party line. If she chooses “no comment” she is accused of ducking the issue. She seemed to give her honest opinion which means like every other opinion ever stated, a large percent disagree.

          • Frode

            I agree. More than any other player, Morgan has demonstrated leadership. On the field, in her comments during the OGs, and in her response to Solo’s comments and dismissal. Lloyd has been disappointingly silent.

          • mockmook

            If we’re talking about the “bummer” quote, Morgan’s statement was virtually content free. No calories.

          • guest

            warning!!! warning!!! alex morgan fangirl alert!!!!!

        • ladywing

          Morgan put herself in it. She’s a grownup.

          • guest

            She was asked and answered with nothing major get over it. Go back to crying about Press.

          • ladywing

            You don’t know anything about who I support. Stop trying to pick fights. That’s not what we are about.
            And pick a name so we’ll all know who’s insulting us.

  • AlexH

    This just in, a USL player called Robbie Rogers a homophobic slur and got……. a whole 2 game suspension. And while we are on the subject the federation has no problem profiting from when Mexican teams play in the US even though their fans chant homophobic slurs all the time. Yet Hope calling Swedish tactics “cowardly” is beyond the pale.

    • Jw

      There is something being withheld that Richard Farley has alluded to that she may have disparaged a teammate or two in brazil after the sweden game and that along with her comment is what did her in.

      • AlexH

        Then the federation should come out and say that. Otherwise it’s like Double Secret Probation or something.

        • HOFCToDi

          Airing dirty laundry does no one any good.

          • AlexH

            Suspending a player and issuing a press release is airing dirty laundry. If you are going to give a reason for suspending a player it should be the truth. That said, it’s only a rumor that Hope was dissing her teammates.

          • guest

            Where there is smoke there is fire. There is more to this story that hasn’t yet come out.

          • AlexH

            Well I am seeing a lot of flagrant hypocrisy smoke pouring out the federation’s backside.

          • Guest

            I can easily see some of the players wanting Solo gone especially if those rumors turn out to be true. I agree that I would prefer to hear the truth if that is the case. Even if it was I think you stop calling her up and refuse to renew her contract next year instead of making this a mess publicly.

          • mockmook

            I heard that you are a pedophile.

            Where there’s smoke there is fire, right?

          • HOFCToDi

            No it isn’t.

            Hope Solo issued public statements in a post game interview.

        • Jw

          I think that is where the private conversations came in play that was in their statements.

      • guest

        maybe #1fan’s source might have some info about this issue.

      • guest

        any opinions who those teammates might have been? other gang of five members?

  • AlexH

    Hmm, doesn’t dissing the ref also violate the high standards that the US soccer federation expects blah, blah, blah,

    How many months did Klinnsman get for this flagrant disrespect for the match officials?

    http://www.sbnation.com/soccer/2016/6/17/11962078/usa-ecuador-jermaine-jones-red-card-suspension-copa-america-centenario-2016

    • HOFCToDi

      FIFA is inept and corrupt. FIFA has done nothing whatsoever to withdraw Russia from hosting the 2018 FIFA World Cup despite revelations of a state sponsored doping program.

      • skybolt

        Not to mention all the corruption behind the Qatar selection to host the 2022 WC.

      • Gary Diver

        And the IOC isn’t much better. Amazing how Thomas Bach sucked up to Vladimir Putin. Almost makes one want to throw up. But on the other hand, the International Paralympic Committee showed backbone and did the right thing.

    • HOFCToDi

      Based on the manner by which the final of the Copa América Centenario was officiated, it is FIFA that is the problem.

  • Gary Diver

    Why Is USSF Attempting to Destroy Hope Solo’s Life?

    There is more going on here then we are being told. It simply does not pass the smell test. USWNT fans deserve some straight-forward answers from USSF. Covering this up by saying it is an internal issue does not cut it.

    For a decade USSF put up with Solo when they needed her on the field and when it benefited them. They used her and promoted her as USWNT’s superstar. They won matches using her and made millions of dollars off of her presence. Now she is being thrown out like last week’s newspaper. It does not make sense.

    There is a big difference between a punishment and how it is carried out. Just because you are going to execute someone doesn’t mean you have to do it in public. If USSF wanted Solo gone, they could have found a less public, more humane way of retiring her with some dignity. To fire her in a way aimed at humiliating her and shaming her makes no sense unless there is something else going on behind the scenes.

    Solo will probability lose hundreds of thousands of dollars of endorsements because she is a “terrible human being” and was disgraced by USSF. Why is USSF piling on? Are they getting even? Why go out of their way to inflict personal insult on Solo. After the service Solo has given to USWNT and her country, she deserves better. And USWNT fans deserve honest answers from USSF.

    • HOFCToDi

      Hope Solo is her own worst enemy.

      Hope Solo’s latest appeal in criminal case is rejected

      socceramerica.com/article/69132/hope-solos-latest-appeal-in-criminal-case-is-reje.html

      • Gary Diver

        “Hope Solo is her own worst enemy.”

        You are right. And she would not be in this mess if she demonstrated a modicum of judgment.

        • HOFCToDi

          The USSF finally had enough. It’s the straw that broke the camel’s back.

          • Gary Diver

            You may be right, but I feel there is backstory that will soon come out that will shed a different light on events.

          • HOFCToDi

            What freakin’ back story?

            Hope Solo issued public statements in a post game interview contrary to the principles of the Olympic Oath.

          • Gary Diver

            I am not disagreeing that Solo did something wrong and deserves some punishment. I just feel that the punishment was excessive and the manner of the punishment seems mean-spirited and vindictive.

            I don’t see the Olympics Oath violation as big of a deal as you do. As I mentioned before, when Christine Sinclair insulted the Norwegian referee on the field during the OG12 SF game and after the game told the press that the referee was in the pocket of USWNT, Canadians universally defended Sinclair because it showed she cared about winning. This incident also involved the Olympics Oath and nobody in all of Canada gave a crap about it. Remarkably, Sinclair has never apologized for implying that game was fixed.

          • HOFCToDi

            No it isn’t based upon past discretions of Hope Solo.

            usatoday.com/story/sports/soccer/2015/01/21/hope-solo-suspended-by-us-soccer/22135669/

            socceramerica.com/article/69132/hope-solos-latest-appeal-in-criminal-case-is-reje.html

            Hope Solo has been given plenty of rope by the USSF.

          • Frode

            I agree with you. Sunil Gulati lays it out in his statement. Hope Solo violated a strict probation US Soccer had place on her. The punishment for violating that probation was probably agreed upon in advance, probably some time after her last suspension.

    • braSil

      There is no secret. A representative and coach were at her house. I doubt that has been something bad between her and Ellis. There will be no major tournaments or important games there. Solo could return if she wants. She will not die for it.

    • HOFCToDi

      Hope Solo is her own worst enemy.

      U.S. Soccer suspends Hope Solo after husband’s DUI arrest

      usatoday.com/story/sports/soccer/2015/01/21/hope-solo-suspended-by-us-soccer/22135669/

    • FlyingSquirrel42

      This does seem a bit like kicking her when she’s down. Obviously Hope hasn’t always been on her best behavior – even if you put aside the domestic violence case given that we still don’t know what happened, she’s made her share of unnecessarily controversial statements, and the van incident shouldn’t have happened even if she wasn’t driving herself. (I’ve also read her memoir, and I can understand where some of her
      rougher edges come from even though it’s still not an excuse.) But right after losing early in what could have been the last major tournament of her career anyway, they decide to drop the hammer on her and make a “last straw” out of a rude but fairly inconsequential comment? I mean, maybe something else was said behind closed doors that we don’t know about, but the way USSF has handled this is probably hurting its image more than her “cowards” comment did.

  • Gary Diver

    How did this come about?

    It is my understanding that Jill Ellis did not do a post-game interview after the Swedish SF and Sports Illustrated’s Grant Wahl was looking for a player who would comment on the game. Is that correct? Ellis should have had a post-game interview. It is Ellis’ responsibility to speak for the team after that painful loss. Somebody had to say something. Nature and the press abhors a vacuum.

  • NYRick

    Last word on this for what it’s worth, I feel Solo should have been dropped from the program following the team bus joyride with the husband, considering that was on the heels of the DV case the previous year.

    So personally she actually got two more full years on the NT, 2 more major tournaments and a WC title, got to 200 caps, and got to 100 clean sheets. She has no complaints really. Any sane organization with integrity would have fired her after the bus ride. They wanted to rid themselves of her then for sure but wanted to win the WC more, and she helped them. So they are even steven.

  • Guest

    Naeher’s time to shine

    • Gary Diver

      Actually, it is now or never for Naeher.

      • GNC

        Will be interesting to see what becomes of Harris…

        • mike

          I feel like she missed the boat unfortunately. Her problem is that she is the same era as Hope Solo. Naeher might be able to squeak out another cycle but after that it’s all over for her as well. Such is the fate of GK’s who were in the Hope Solo era

          • GNC

            It’s sad and kind of weird, actually. There’s only been two #1s in the history of the USWNT.

          • Don’t hate me

            who do you think they should call up for the next two friendly games besides Harris and Naeher?

          • GNC

            I think it should be Franch, of the NWSL keepers, she’s one of the youngest and I think she has potential – though I would be OK with Betos or Kop getting the call. What I would really like to see is a young keeper from college get a shout – don’t know any names or up-and-comers though. At this point, it should be about building the next #2, who would be around for the next couple of cycles.

          • Don’t hate me

            Yeah Franch is good, she is having a great season in Portland, and I agree maybe they could get some young ones fresh out of college, but like you said don’t really know their names, But who really knows with Jill… So it probably is safe to say that Hope wont be back, which I am kind of sad about because she really is the best keeper in the world, and if she does retire I hope they give her what she needs a send off game like they do for all the people that retire, not just forget about her, because she has helped the US win so many games,

          • GNC

            True, but at 30 she isn’t really “old” for a goalkeeper. Wouldn’t be surprised if we see a Naeher-Harris 1-2 for the next cycle. Franch would be the alternate, probably.

      • Steglitz49

        Probably never in the long. run.

  • Gary Diver

    Was Solo Just Kidding?

    Somebody else pointed out that Sundhage’s response to Solo’s comments implied that she did not take Solo’s comments personally. I also heard some other players (not on USWNT) say Solo was just letting off steam after a painful loss. If Sundhage’s did not take Solo’s comments personally, why are we assuming that they were meant to be taken seriously? Isn’t it possible that Solo was using the term “cowards” metaphorically and not literally?

    It does show the danger of putting anything in writing. Moral of the story: Always read twice before hitting the send button.

    • Steglitz49

      Pia treated it with the contempt it deserved.

      Outside the USA it left the impression of a bunch of bad losers. Not an image the USSF likes.

    • Breakers fan

      I bet 100s if not 1000s of players have had that exact thought after such a game that ended in a loss. Maybe even some of her teammates in that game did too. As we then know it’s just the voicing of the thought to the media that was the mistake. The Olympics context also was very important here. But just her having that thought and the competitive fire it showed are things that don’t bother me.

      • Gary Diver

        It is funny that when Christine Sinclair during the OG12 SF implied that the game was fixed, Canadians universally defended Sinclair saying we want players who really want to win. I am sure that if Sweden had done the same thing to Canada in OG16 and either Sinclair or Jessie Fleming made Solo’s comments to the press, this would be a non-story in Canada and the Canada Soccer Federation would never suspend either player.

        • Breakers fan

          Interesting. What was Sinclair’s exact comment, do you know? How strongly was game fixing implied?
          Your post also may show a difference between Canada and America. Canadians seem to unite “easier”, faster than all of big America does. Canada strikes me as a country that is more united in general than your average country and if that’s true I really like that about it.

          But here also you have to consider the difference between Sinclair’s past with her team and Solo’s with the U.S. team.

          Also, the whole aspect of “purely from a soccer quality standpoint it may be ok to move on from Solo now” needs to be considered. Canada certainly didn’t want to lose Sinclair in 2012 nor would they want to lose her still in 2016 or Fleming, so if that ulterior motive aspect would be at work in both countries it points to Canada not acting on potential comments from players it would not want to lose. So the comparison you’re making isn’t a straight one as I’m sure you can see, but it is still interesting to see how the country responded to what could be considered what is to me an even more unethical comment than what Solo made.

          • Gary Diver

            Here is the background:

            Christine Sinclair made comments directly to referee on the field. (And of course this occurred during the Olympics and involves the Olympics Oath.)

            “Christine Sinclair Has no Regrets About Comments Made to Referee Following London 2012 Loss”

            http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/soccer/christine-sinclair-has-no-regrets-about-comments-made-to-referee-following-london-2012-loss/article4613959/

            “Christine Sinclair’s Suspension Wasn’t for Comments to Media”

            http://www.cbc.ca/sports/soccer/christine-sinclair-s-suspension-wasn-t-for-comments-to-media-1.1158484

          • Breakers fan

            Thanks for the background stories. I didn’t know she was suspended. But in a much less severe way than Solo was of course -Sinclair just for 4 games. I think one other factor is that it is a different world now just 4 years later. There’s hyper-awareness and commentary about ANYTHING deemed “controversial” and I think a subsequent perceived need to act upon it and punish the controversy-maker.

            Another interesting thing in the article was that “other Canadian players” also made similar comments, but none of them was punished. It could be that if other US players had joined ranks and backed Solo’s comments that they too may have gotten some kind of less suspension here for the reason I gave above.

    • guest

      Do you fire a person for just “letting off steam” after a match?

      Tony DiCicco doesn’t think “she should have been suspended for something she said at the end of a heartbreaking game when emotions are still high and you’re out of the tournament.”

      • Gary Diver

        I really think something else is going on here. Maybe USSF was really putting the squeeze on Ellis who they need an excuse in order to fire and Solo is collateral damage.

      • guest

        players should be able to say whatever they want with no accountability?

        • Gary Diver

          I don’t regret what I said. We just lost the chance of playing for an Olympic gold medal, and that’s a dream that all of us have. It was a very intense time and I was very emotional and I wouldn’t want to change that. —Canada’s Christine Sinclair

          Sinclair was NOT punished by anybody for comments made to the press after the OG12 SF match. She was punished for comments made to the referee on the field.

        • guest2

          Yes, they should be able to voice their opinions, as long as it’s not abusive or threatening to anyone. Why not?

          • guest

            i see that you now agree. players should be able to voice their opinions. but there are limits to that. and consequences for crossing those limits. that is pro sports. the players aren’t self-employed they work for an organization that they are accountable to.

          • kernel_thai

            The argument here is whether a classless remark equates to a racial slur, homophobic comment, threat or anything similar. I dont think it does. Now if u want to say USSoccer has the right not to employee a classless individual then I agree. They certainly get to protect their reputation. But the USSF also cant pretend to be surprised by what an employee of 17 years with a history of such incidents says.

    • mockmook

      Did Solo write this, or was she quoted speaking?

  • Gary Diver

    Who Is the Real Coward?

    http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/sports_nut/2016/08/u_s_soccer_needed_to_get_rid_of_hope_solo_but_not_like_this.html

    “The soccer website Dirty Tackle proposed that “it seems that it’s at least possible that the federation is trying to silence one of the movement’s leaders and send a message to others players that dissenters will be eliminated at the first opportunity.” While this seems plausible, if U.S. Soccer had wanted to make an example of Solo for her views on equal pay for women, they could have done it before the Olympics when Solo made a series of ignorant and insensitive comments about the Zika virus in Brazil.

    At the time, she posted photos of herself on social media wearing a mosquito-net hat and holding jugs of bug spray, captioned #Zikaproof. The photos went viral; again, Solo had embarrassed the team. U.S. Soccer, though, did nothing. Then Sweden upset the U.S., Brazilian fans booed and harassed Solo with “Zika” jeers the whole time, and she uttered the fateful coward line. U.S. Soccer did the math, realized that Solo was no longer the star she once was, and that her presence was doing more harm than good to the team’s image. So it doesn’t seem like retaliation for the wage discrimination suit is necessarily the game here, though that’s what people have been given the opportunity to think. . .

    There are plenty of actual reasons to let Solo go, her jerkiness and age chief among them. But blowing out of proportion a case of name-calling in order to end a player’s career? That’s a cowardly move.”

    • Joel

      “… they could have done it before the Olympics when Solo made a series of ignorant and insensitive comments about the Zika virus in Brazil.”

      Not really. It would have been hard for them to can Solo on the eve of the Olympics. And, if the US had not medalled, the blame would have been upon them for doing so.

      FWIW, Solo’s zika comments seem more to do with Brazil being chosen as a location by the IOC than with Brazil itself. Recall that she is a wife of childbearing age. It’s reasonable for her to have concerns.

      • Gary Diver

        Are you saying that everything USSF does is done for the convenience of USSF? If they need Solo on the field, they will put up with everything, but if they don’t need Solo on the field, they will throw her under the bus? To be honest they won’t even need USWNT for over a year. It would be funny if USSF refuses to bargain in good faith over the next four month, forces USWNT players to strike, and then attempt to replace the lot of them. God (and USSF) works in strange ways.

    • Frode

      Solo was fired because she violated the strict probation US Soccer had placed her under. Sunil Gulati says as much. All of the speculation flying about seems to ignore this core fact.

      • kernel_thai

        But that is exactly the point. What could that “strict probation” have been to be violated so easily. While the comments were classless and embarrassing Im not sure either violates a code of conduct. They knew exactly how Solo acts and they have known it for a long time. Im not sure u can hold someone to ur opinion of proper behavior.

        • Frode

          Employers may absolutely hold employees to their “opinion” of proper behavior. People are fired every day for this and have no recourse unless certain laws are violated. This is exactly what just happened to Hope Solo. Her employer didn’t think she was representing the team and US Soccer appropriately, so they fired her. It happens all the time. Also, I am reasonably certain that Solo was warned (in writing and verbally) that any further behavior contrary to the image US Soccer wishes to promote could or even would result in her firing. If you strip away all the celebrity and glitter, that’s all this is: a company firing an employee. Happens every day.

          • Frode

            This is what happened to Tom Sermanni. US Soccer fired him, and for what? Not fitting the “culture” of the team. That’s about as arbitrary as it gets. Businesses reserve that right.

  • Lisa

    Really wishing the Reign would make a statement one way or another on this. We’ve got a big game Saturday vs Portland AND the Season Ticket Holder Appreciation event on the field w/ the team afterwards. Very interested to know if Hope will be in the picture (I think I hope so, but understandable if not – just wish they’d say).

  • mskillens

    Jill Ellis threw Hope Solo under the bus because she knows that if Hope wasn’t in this situation, she’d be on the chopping block. Now she gets away with the worst performance by the USWNT in history without a slap on the wrist by US Soccer.

    • Constant Weeder

      It wasn’t actually the bus. It was the team van with a drunk driver at the wheel.

    • Gary Diver

      This is not going to save Ellis. Both WC15 and OG16 proved she is incompetent. During the first 4 group play matches of WC15 and the QF Colombia match, USWNT looked pathetic. Her coupling of Holiday and Lloyd was a god-awful idea and was disastrous in every match. Her switch to a one forward formation and matching Holiday with Brian was forced upon her by suspensions. It did not come from her brain. And her OG16 coaching performance was one of the worse of all times. The question is not if she gets fired, but when. And sooner the better for USWNT fans.

  • Guest

    Janine Beckie and Andressinha practiced with the Dash today while Carli is still on vacation. What a joke.

    • anon

      they started scoring when their nt players left so… maybe she should stay in the caymans or wherever she is

  • Guest

    What does #BAONPDX mean?

  • Joel

    There is so much wrong with this. US Soccer, if you’re listening, count me as very disappointed in you. If she’s not the best keeper, just say so. If it’s because she called a team that was hiding “cowards,” well, that doesn’t add up.

    Then again, perhaps you don’t care what fans think.

  • Guest

    A disingenuous attempt at slight of hand on US Soccer’s part.

    Let’s scapegoat our resident problem child and hope like h3ll nobody asks us any difficult questions about a self-defeating team culture that values player and coach seniority over merit.

  • guest

    i guess it would have been better if hope solo had just boycotted the rio olympics. what a nightmare of a trip. the zika strikes back!

  • Gary Diver

    Hope Solo Saga Is a Distraction

    The real issue for USSF is how to get rid of Jill Ellis who has proven in both WC15 and OG16 that she is totally incompetent to coach the national team. The first four WC15 group play games and the Colombia knock-out match were terrible performances by USWNT highlighted by the dynamic duo of Lauren Holiday and Carli Lloyd. It was only the China suspensions which forced Ellis to couple Holiday with Morgan Brian. That idea did not originate from her brain. And we all know the botched job she did at OG16. It was worse than amateur.

    I suspect we will have to wait until USWNT flames at SBC before the powers at be have the courage to see reality and find a coach that can produce a dominating USWSNT team. The current team is one of the most underachieving women’s soccer teams on the planet and full credit goes to Jill Ellis for taking a roster of the best players in the world and turning them into a mediocre team that plays uninspired soccer.

    • Steglitz49

      Silvia Neid stayed as head coach after the debacle in WC-11.

      • Gary Diver

        But don’t people and players respect Neid as a top quality coach? I cannot see any evidence of quality in Ellis. You have to admit that many of her OG16 decisions are simply baffling to the mind.

      • newsouth

        ban yourself for disrespecting the great neid

    • #1Fan

      let me as k you WHO you want to replace her ?

      • Gary Diver

        USWNT needs a coach who does believe in formations, tactics, and strategy. We need a coach who is capable to improvise during a game. We need a coach who knows how to get the most out of his/her roster.

        As you may know I dislike John Herdman intensely, but I have to give him credit for getting his roster to play the best soccer possible. And he is bringing in many young players – 7 players 23 years old or younger. He will have one of the youngest teams for WC19.

        Ellis won WC15 but USWNT played uninspiring soccer during the first 5 matches of that tournament and USWNT played uninspiring soccer for every match during OG16. What more evidence so you want to show Ellis lack the motivation, ideas, training, and game plans to get her players to play up to their potential. USWNT has the best players in the world, but the team does not play top quality soccer.

        Who should replace Elliis? I do not have enough knowledge about coaches to make a serious suggestion. A number of people like Vlatko Andonovski. Is there another women’s coach who has shown the ability to maximize the roster’s potential? Do you have any suggestions?

        • #1Fan

          Problem is that WoSo is now seen as being for women. I dont mean t stir a hornets nest, but the NT has moved that way in almost all the key positions YNTs on up. There are several good coaches out there, but many will want nothing to do with a team that has shown this level of player power.

          As far as WC, I dont think the US played inspiring soccer at any point, but to be fair KO events are rarely beautiful soccer. You can call Lloyds game a fluke, but it was clearly a massive outlier to reality. a game where everything she touched, worked. I thought that japan came out flat, got drilled and then as the game wore on . looked a lot better than the USA.

          In the modern game, tactics are more about attacking /def shape- less about formations as such . With Lloyd in the team, then have no shape. That is part of point 1. Do you want to be the person who takes Lloyd off the roster? Most coaches would say no thanks.

          Winning the WC was the worst thing for future development and tbh, that can ONLY be true in the USA where they have ridiculous CBAs and a huge player pool sitting ini the wings. I beleive that had Sermanni been allowed to continue, US Soccer would be in a much better place.

          • Gary Diver

            I respect your views – you know much more about women’s soccer than I do. Watching the Swedish QF game, several things screamed out to me. Did you see the same things?

            1. Sweden’s bunker tactics negated Alex Morgan. She usually got the ball with defenders around her like moths around a light.

            2. USWNT’s two defender strategy needed to be altered when Sweden showed that they had serious counter-attacking capabilities.

            3. Taking Long out when Ellis did was a bad move.

            4. Moving Tobin Heath to OB was stupid.

            5. Inserting an unfit Megan Rapinoe was insane and actually conveyed that she had no confidence in her players and was depending on a “Hail Mary” to win the game.

            6. Starting in the second half, USWNT needed to push counter-attacks. Jill Ellis doesn’t seem to teach her players counter-attacks. The ball movement forward by USWNT was painfully slow and let Sweden’s bunker defenses to form before the ball got into the final third.

            7. Ellis’ PK choices made no rational sense and she set up Press for her meltdown when she pulled Lloyd out of the fifth spot. Ellis told Press and the world that she had no confidence in her. It was no surprise that Press was so stressed she looked confused and ended up attempting a field goal.

            And all of these decisions occurred in a single match. And it is telling that Ellis did not do a post-game interview and has gone into hiding. If she had done a post-game interview, which is her responsibility after her team flames out, Grant Wahl would not have been searching for a player to comment and we would not be talking about Hope Solo.

          • #1Fan

            1. Morgan thrives on running in to space behind the back line. Tbh almost all the US fwds do. Morgan is not good with the ball and has gotten away with predictable vertical runs for far too long. Her movement is too obvious.

            2.It was more that their offensive shape should be 3 backs. when the one ob pushes up, the other should slide across giving a 3 back look . Should never be 2 backs really exposed. I doubt that is on Ellis, more likely;y the players not sticking to that shape and getting caught in fast transition.

            3. no view on thins one

            4. Not so stupid is the plan is to attack out of a 343 or 352 shape and have her essentially pushing in to a wide mid role

            5. I think she believed they would face a lot of deep lying teams and felt Rapinoe would not have to do much defending and would be able to pick a pass to unlock someone. Im not at all surprised by the choice. We dont know how fit/unfit he was perceived to be by the staff. We do know the plan failed so clearly a bad gamble

            6. dont think that is the case as much as no team , apart from Japan plays a real possession game. The US dont get to counter anyone. I think the reality is the technical level on the US team is not high. the athletic level is . If you put teh US in to a tactical technical game, they are very beatable.

            7. Pks are hard to analyze. lottery all the way around. I feel those are on the players.

            on your last point, I am surprised she has not spoken.

          • Guest

            Removing Long and pushing both Brian and Heath further back essentially guaranteed that the US had to play direct for the remainder of the game against Sweden. I thought Sweden had an easy time of it exclusively defending long balls and crosses. Despite Dunn doing very well to beat her man 1v1 on the wing she had difficulties picking out the final passes in the congested penalty area since Sweden were tactically organized to defend those balls.

          • #1Fan

            they did not have to sit further back tho. If this is who i think it is, you understand the game well. i would argue that was not personnel. maybe the wrong tactics. The subs alone did not change the shape. Instructions may have.

          • kernel_thai

            I agree that to get a good coach the USSF would have to support them which players would be earning contracts not grandfathered in.

      • guest

        I think you could give Naeher a shot… she’s untested but solid in club play. I don’t understand this obsession with hanging onto Solo. Harris is very good also although maybe a slight bit too old for the new #1.

        I don’t understand why people want Lloyd gone yesterday. Right now, who is a more clutch player than Carli Lloyd, FIFA POTY? A lot of the NWSL women were part of the international player pool but presumably not good enough to make the senior NT so I doubt there’s better talent for her position or anyone else’s there. Pugh, Lavelle, etc need more time to grow.

        • Gary Diver

          I think you’ve misplaced this post.

        • Guest

          FIFA POTY Carli Lloyd. Haha that was funny. Lloyd is a terrible soccer player and was last year when she won that award based on 2 performances out of the entire year. That award is a joke during major tournament years. Lloyd should be dropped immediately.

          • guest

            you are ridiculous. she is one of the best midfielders the US has ever had and she is still very fit. and she still wins games.

          • Guest

            What does she do well other than score goals? Would she be able to score those goals if her teammates weren’t very good? The answer to the first question is nothing and the answer to the second is an unequivocal no. She has been playing terrible football all year and outside of her two goals was garbage at the Olympics.

          • guest

            Goals win games. She wins games. She is tough and cool under pressure. Gritty and aggressive in the box. And she does play less selfishly when other attackers come on to join Morgan (ie Press). She’s faster and more athletic than people give her credit for and she can score from a distance. She is money on PKs and has one of the most powerful shots.

          • Guest

            And the USWNT will continue to score goals long after Carli is gone. Hopefully sooner than later in my opinion. You are romanticizing over a player who deserves to be cut based on the quality of her play over the last two year. You are so very far off the mark in your assessment of her speed and athleticism. Lloyd is way past her physical peak. She’s a terrible shooter from distance as she rarely hits the target anymore. When was the last time she scored from outside the 18 if you don’t mind me asking? She constantly holds onto the ball too long because she dribbles with her head down and can’t find the right passes. She is a clumsy defender who fouls often. Other players can take the PKs along with being able to score from her position on the field. She is currently a giant anchor dragging down her team trying to play possession football. It’s long past time that US Soccer moves on from Lloyd.

          • Guest

            When one of your forwards playing as a forward (Alex Morgan) has more assists than Carli Lloyd all time than you can say with out a doubt she is a terrible midfielder. Her job as a midfielder is to assist first not score but her mindset is to always be selfish and play like a forward instead of her position. She is not even close to being one of the best midfielders.

          • Guest

            Assists are not what determines whether or not a midfielder is good or not. Luka Modric hardly has any goals or assists in any given year for Madrid and is considered a top 5 midfielder in the world by most of the football community.

          • Guest

            Well it’s a big part of their job but okay I will play let’s add that she sucks defensively, creates nearly nothing, stalls attacks with her bad touches and getting in the way and she resorts to stupid fouls and is a huge part of why our midfield sucks. Happy? If she doesn’t add much in assist rates as a midfielder than she should just be added in solely as a forward but hey she already plays like she is so.

          • Guest

            I think Lloyd is a terrible player and agree with everything you just said. She’s the biggest problem the team has trying to move forward and play a more progressive style of football. All I disagreed with was your method of measurement.

          • guestt

            let me guess, obsessed Lloyd fangirl in the house.

          • Guest

            No one else has a nose for goal under pressure like Lloyd. Fact.

          • guest

            scoring inside the 12 yard line doesn’t make lloyd one of the best midfielders. fact.

          • well

            OK, well she is one of the greatest withdrawn forwards the USA has ever seen. Has anyone won more games for the USA? She’s a legend and should continue to play until the coaches don’t see her fit or someone else comes along that can do what she does.

          • mockmook

            Horan, Jordan, Doniak, …

          • Breakers fan

            My attitude is this: These are world-class soccer players. We are NOT. Respect that first. Have some humility. These are people providing the “product” we love so much – respect that.
            Next: Players are what they are. Their past is what it is.

            Carli is what she is. She’s not everything, as people love to point out, but who is? It’s an extremely rare player who has every attribute all the time, which is the easiest standard for the budding critic to hold every player to, but she’s had, overall, a very good NT career and has had, as we know, some huge, crucial moments that have helped our team’s history in the biggest way possible in its biggest games. Be thankful for that, unless you don’t actually like the U.S. team but prefer more to criticize its players for not being everything always. And still, everything else being what it is – her shortcomings — she’s still scored a lot of goals since the World Cup and no they aren’t ones every player could/would have scored.

            There’s also the present. She wants to play. Who doesn’t??!! It’s up to the coach to prevent that from happening. Criticize the person in power, not the person who simply still loves the sport.

            My advice here is what I give to myself.

          • Guest

            I don’t criticize Carli for wanting to continue to play unless she has player power she should not have. It’s definitely on the coaches to refuse to select her just like it was with Rapinoe for the Olympics.

            I don’t think there is anything unfair about pointing out that Lloyd is no longer a good soccer player(I’m not really sure she was ever good) and should be dropped from the team. She has had some great career defining moments but it’s time to move on. I’m sure some people will disagree with my opinion but it is what it is.

          • Breakers fan

            I think it’s ok, fine, good to say what you think is true in the present, about Carli or about anyone else. And about her I agree with you. Doesn’t mean we’re right, just that we are voicing our opinion. I guess what can rankle me is how it can be done, how sometimes it’s done so disrespectfully, so arrogantly. You didn’t do that here and that shows it’s not necessary to do. That’s a personal preference of mine. Some might say I’m too thin-skinned, but for the reasons I gave in that prior post – about how these are the players who provide what we come to see and how they are so much better at the sport than we are, the sport that we’re commenting on with, sometimes, such an air of transcending expertise, that that those starting points can be a baseline that morally guides us. I try to keep them in mind, but I don’t want to censor or control anyone else.

        • #1Fan

          i meant the coach, but to your Lloyd point. Lloyd is not clutch. She is the self appointed designated shooter on the best team iin the world. That means she WILL get several chances per game IN SPITE of how well she plays in the other facets of the game. She shoots too much, she creates too little and she defends badly. She is past her physical prime and should have bowed out post Wc thanking her lucky stars she was on top. She is the single biggest obstacle to the WNT really pulling away from the RoW and playing progressive soccer. The sheer hubris for an outfield player to assume she will be back in 2019/2020 having payed as she has recently AND at age 34 is frankly shocking.

        • anon

          tbh the best thing that could happen to the evolution of US Soccer is for Lloyd to continue to be MIA for awhile, not show up for NWSL, and give someone a reason to send her one of those embarrassing termination letters like the one her BFF got. Unfortunately I think she is too powerful a draw/with sponsors for that to happen. and Gulati doesn’t care about the NWSL.

      • Guest

        Love to have Sermanni back. Unfortunately I think that bridge has been burned. Maybe after the Old guard is completely gone. Vlatko and Swanson would be in my top choices as well.

        • kernel_thai

          Agree about Vlatko. Theyd never go back to Sermanni cause it makes them look like fools….well, ok, most everything they do makes them look like fools but it isnt in their DNA to go back. Id expect Sundhage before Sermanni. I like Swanson but not sure he leaves Virginia for what could easily be a four year ride. Maybe Cromwell would leave UCLA…oh wait,,,she has a better team there : )

          • Guest

            They were fools to fire him in the first place based on experimenting during the Algarve cup.

          • Gary Diver

            I agree and it is still a mystery what actually got him fired. Maybe it was the tenured players, but maybe not. Those who know aren’t speaking and those who are speaking probably don’t know.

          • kernel_thai

            U want insight into this Solo thing, look at Sermanni. Was he fired because he didnt do well in a friendly tournament that no one either watches or attends? No. He was fired for things that happened behind the scenes…likely his vision of taking the team younger and not bending the knee to veterans…and Algarve was just the excuse to do it. Fast forward to Solo who also gave them an excuse. Some things never change.

      • kernel_thai

        The name I bring up whenever there is talk of a replacement is Maren Meinert. I think she is the type of tough coach this team needs. She is organized and uses a system. Her record with the U20s is very impressive and she was a player in WUSA I believe.

        • Steglitz49

          Calle Barrling would be another option. There is always Herdman and Dennerby.

          • kernel_thai

            Herdman’s contract has now been extended thru the year 4000 and his ego is way too big o work for the USSF. Is Dennerby still alive?

          • Steglitz49

            Herdman delivered the goods.

            Dennerby was on Swedish TV during Rio. Lars Lagerbäck was the main studio expert but Dennerby was on from time to time. He also did some work for the Swedish WNT scouting out the opposition.

  • Steglitz49

    573 comments!

    • Bruce

      I only see 571. Must be the time-zone difference.

      • Steglitz49

        2 for the lions

    • dw

      I was contemplating who are the all time comments leaders among USWNT players.
      I was thinking #1 was probably Press? Maybe an unlikely candidate, but she’s my choice.
      My ranking would be:
      Press
      Abby
      Hope
      Alex
      Lloyd
      Any thoughts?

      • Breakers fan

        Question: If Alex is brought up just in relation to Press being discussed first does that count? If so, I think Alex rises on your list.
        And of course with Abby having retired her spot in the rankings will continue to drop but she did start from a high position until that point.

        • dw

          If a response with Alex is a reply on a thread about Press, it would still count for Alex.

      • aolaks

        Lloyd should be highera

  • sudeep das

    587 now.
    I actually like Solo’s ability and her mentality although her PR skills are not diplomatic enough.

  • Gary Diver

    Controversy

    Controversy is never good for a team, especially for a team that wants to create a legacy for itself. USWNT for the first time ever did not make the OG SF. That and Ellis’ ineptitude should be the issues we are focusing on now, but USSF has stole the thunder and we are talking about Hope Solo. If they gave Solo a 4 game suspension like FIFA gave Christine Sinclair during OG12 when she implied the games were fixed, we would have about 200 comments and not 500 comments.

    There is only 4 months left before the current USWNT contract ends and there are no signs of any progress. Why should USSF bargain in good faith? What do they have to lose by hanging tough and letting USWNT stew? I suspect that at the beginning of December we will be looking at a possible player’s strike and then we really will have a controversy.

    Prediction: If USWNT cannot beat the Netherlands on September 18 in Georgia we will have another controversy and more than 500 comments.

  • Gary Diver

    How Jill Ellis spoken to the press since the OG16 QF defeat? Has she gone into hiding?

    It should have been her responsibility to give a post-game interview and take the heat off of her players. Somebody needed to speak to the public and answer questions.

    • dw

      She’s certainly not picking up her phone…

      • Don’t hate me

        she did pick up the phone when they told her she needs to go to Seattle to give Hope her suspension paper lol

    • Don’t hate me

      Ha Ha she should have a press conference but she doesn’t want everyone to think it was actually her fault that they lost…. the formation was messed up…. the use of subs…..

    • guest

      jurgen klinsmen with the usmnt gives post-game interviews and press conferences so why doesn’t jill ellis? answering pre-screened questions in print is not the same thing.

      • Terry Lash

        She is not good at press conferences. It is not unusual for coaches to speak incomprehensively at press conferences. Ellis is a good example of the inarticulate, obfuscating coach. That in itself does not mean she is a bad coach, although I think she is.

        • AlexH

          That makes her good at not getting ripped for post game comments. There is nothing like incoherence to back up obfuscation to ensure that none of your quotes make headlines.

          • Terry Lash

            Indeed.

        • rkmid71

          She should take a lesson from Jurgen Klopp.

  • guest

    Are gender issues involved?

    Rich Nichols, the PA attorney, wonders whether this action would ever have been taken against a male player who criticized an opponent’s tactics “in the heated moments after a frustrating defeat.”

    • Nicole C.

      If said male had a pending DV case and took the team van for a joyride, chances are he wouldn’t be on the field.

      • AlexH

        True enough, but Hope didn’t get a pass because she was female, she got a pass because the WC was coming up. It seems to be that Hope’s crime was that the WNT no longer needs her now that their isn’t an official game in 2.5 years. Although I am pretty sure if Naher or Harris don’t step up that Hope can expect ,one more, one last chance.

        • Breakers fan

          Not saying you did this, but anyone, before this incident, who ever said that US Soccer was, has been too lenient with Hope, who thought she should have been suspended or kicked off the team already and is now flip-flopping after yet another unsavory incident involving her, well you can’t do that, ok? You’re breaking the rules, so be happy you finally got what you wanted.

  • Gary Diver

    Conspiracy Theories

    It is Friday and . . .

    1. Maybe this has something to do with Solo criticizing teammates for the loss. If so, USSF needs to show transparency and explain why they did what they did. Their current statement does not pass the smell test.

    2. So Ellis flew to Seattle to deliver the poison pill? I wonder if USSF forced Ellis to throw Solo overboard. If Ellis refused to do it, it would be a perfect reason to get rid of Ellis, who last year was given a long-term contract. Even USSF cannot be so opaque so see Ellis’ coaching of WC15 and OG16 indicates that WC19 will be an embarrassing disaster until something or someone changes.

    • guest

      Gulati apparently made a statement that they took into account “past incidents” and “private conversations we’ve had requiring her to conduct herself in a manner befitting a U.S. National Team member.”

      • Gary Diver

        Transparency with USWNT fans is the right thing to do in this case. Nebulous comments just don’t cut it.

      • Terry Lash

        Is Gulati saying US Soccer expects all players to behave like middle class suburbanites or they are out?

  • AlexH

    I heard on the radio an interesting point from a journalist who is questioning why the media isn’t rushing to defend Solo. All Solo did was answer a question honestly and if you throw her overboard for that you are ensured of every player always answering questions like this: “I’m just here to hep the club” “We gotta take this one game at a time and the Good Lord willing things will work out fine”

    • guest

      can you be honest and also respectful of an opponent?

      • Breakers fan

        A crucial question here, evidently from the results of how she did go about it. What else could she have said? Solo could have implied cowardice but worded it maybe something like “It’s not my favorite brand of soccer but we still need to be able to defeat that bunkering style as well.” Or, how else could she have still been honest but respectful of Sweden, who after all didn’t break any rules?

        • guest

          hope solo should really be criticizing fifa for making the rules that allow bunkering.

        • rkmid71

          She could have said something like this: I really hate losing. Sweden found a way to beat us. Give them credit. But it really pisses me off. We’ve got to get better against teams that play us with those tactics. And it especially burns that our former coach got the best of us on this day. I actually hope they go on to win the tournament now. But we look forward to the next time we play them.

          • Breakers fan

            This is top-notch, thanks. My only question – and it’s a question and it’s just in the spirit of her being completely honest — would be “did she really hope that Sweden would go on to win the tournament?” If she did then say it but I wouldn’t want her to say it if she didn’t really feel it. 🙂

          • AlexH

            Well you can either be PC or honest you can’t have both.

          • Breakers fan

            That’s a legitimate question. My first response was probably closer to honesty by saying “I don’t like that style of play”. If she had put it that way, and not said “cowards”, I wonder what the consequences would have been? Do you accept my version as one representing “honesty”?

          • ugh

            I mean who cares. We’re making a huge deal over a grown woman using the word coward. If Lotta Schelin, who plays for Sweden, wasn’t upset about it and understood where it came from, why are you so upset?

          • Breakers fan

            I’m not one who is “so upset”,unless you’re using the universal “you” here. I’m talking here about “how could Solo have gotten her point across but not self-sabotaged herself?” It’s an intellectual academic exercise that fans on message boards can do and of course one that is after the fact and thus is useless in that sense.
            I didn’t know that Schelin was fine with it. That is interesting, thanks.

          • guest

            if hope solo had said that she would still be on the team. but i don’t really think hope misspoke. she said what she wanted to say. hope is an attention-seeker and likes to be controversial. but this time she got burned.

          • AlexH

            If she was seeking attention their was waaaaaaay more she could have said.

          • Breakers fan

            Of course but she had to know that what she did way would also garner lots of attention. I mean I *think* she knew that, unless she was still caught up in the emotion of the moment. By the way, I do LOVE that attitude of hers of HATING losing, especially in such a big tournament.

          • AlexH

            But they really didn’t garner that much attention. Her comments maybe got a 2 on the Richter scale, it is the massive over reaction from the federation that raised that to an 11.

          • Breakers fan

            My sense – and I watched a ton, 2 tons, of Olympic coverage was that it registered higher on the Richter scale at the time. Not as high as it could have of course if she had said more inflammatory things but it seemed to me to get a good deal of notice.

          • guest

            hope solos comments were a story on most of the american tv sports shows on foxsports and espn right after she said them. most of the commentators were not supportive of her. so they did get alot of publicity right or wrong. now they are also covering the hope suspension.

          • guest

            of course there is waaaay more she could have said. but it is obvious now there is not way more she could have said and still kept her job. you don’t want to be too controversial that you lose your job. hope didn’t misspeak just misjudged.

          • rkmid71

            I don’t think you need to be PC to be respectful to an opponent. It’s possible to be honest and respectful.

          • AlexH

            Yes but it isn’t always easy especially when their is profit in turning molehills into mountains.

          • Breakers fan

            If a team plays firmly within the rules of the game is cowardice even possible? Maybe on a moral plane but if you’re not breaking rules, teams, and teams know the rules,should be prepared to be able to defeat a tactic that they almost assuredly knew they’d be facing, right? So in that line of thinking Solo was out of line as I see it and even false, except on an aesthetic level.

          • AlexH

            But aesthetics are still part of the game. Indeed millions are spent marketing soccer as “the beautiful game”. I don’t agree with what she said but I don’t think it was worthy of any official rebuke.

          • Breakers fan

            I just thought of this: Can’t a 90 minute scene held in 1/3rd of the field be beautiful? 10 v. 10 – one trying to solve the riddle of the congested space, the other trying to parry away those go’s at goal. Why can’t that be very beautiful?

          • AlexH

            It can be if it doesn’t happen all the time. If every 3rd game in baseball, for example, were a no hitter I think the spectacle would go from beautiful to boring very quickly. I personally have no problem with it, but I can see how people would want a more open game.

          • Breakers fan

            Me too. From that aesthetic, sort of fan-centered standpoint I really hope that soccer doesn’t evolve, I mean devolve into deeper and deeper bunkering by underdog teams. It could and if it does teams will need to just work more on ways of beating it. You wonder if any intervention by FIFA might ever occur. I noted in Olympic boxing and I think tae kwon do that participants who were stalling and playing excessive defense were actually given points against them, so sports have responded to this kind of thing with significant penalties.

          • Steglitz49

            It is beautiful when you win but cowardice when they win.

          • Breakers fan

            Touche! If I may borrow one of your responses…

          • Steglitz49

            Use it by all means. I think it is a fencing term.

            “Bang on”, “bullseye”, “on the money” or “hit the nail on the head” are probably the nearest English expressions.

          • ARED

            It can -Spain spent a lot of the past 8 years doing just that. Barcelona as well (and Messi makes everything more beautiful…lol).

            However to many it will always feel a bit lacking still because you know it could be better. It is one thing if a team is clearly superior and the other isn’t choosing to defend so much as being forced to. But when a team like Holland in 2010 or Portugal in 2016 use this approach, just trying to kill matches they might be able to win by being positive and attacking, well, it can be frustrating to watch.

          • Breakers fan

            I do agree on the whole. I’m playing devil’s advocate to some extent, but at the same time I know, as you write about Barcelona, that it can lead to some beautiful sequences and displays of soccer ability.

          • ARED

            Yep. I alluded to this in another comment:

            There is a big difference between league play and a short tournament here. Over the course of 38 games good teams will be less likely to suffer from one bad 90 minute showing, while bad teams will usually face relegation if they play for 0-0 every match. But, in a short tournament this can have a much more magnified effect -especially now that the groups allow 3rd place finishers and the knockout stages have been so lopsided. The best teams can be knocked out from a bad (or unlucky) 90 minutes, while the bad teams only need 3 draws to make the knockout round, and then 2-3 more to win the tournament. You can conceivably win these tournaments without scoring a goal. You could never win a league with that approach. It affects the game massively, but mostly goes unmentioned….

          • Breakers fan

            Wow. I had no clear realization of this. Very true, and it could be that weaker teams, seeing the success of Wales, Iceland, Portugal, Sweden, will now approach the big, short Tournaments this way more often.
            I wonder if the players who might win a big tourney in this manner would feel a little hollow, seeing how certainly they all grew up playing a much more offensive style of play?

          • ARED

            Yes, I believe we are seeing it more and more. This is why I believe action can/should be taken by FIFA to stem the tide a bit, and stop punishing the best teams for being the best (Uneven “pots” due to host nation, unfair advancement of 3rd place teams, unfair distribution of knockout stages based on 3rd place teams -or in the case of WWC15, simply corruption of stacking the draw).

            And I think you bring up a good point. I try to keep my personal feelings aside in my comments here but I do hope Portugal at least recognize the fortuitous reality of their win, whether it makes them feel hollow or not. CR isn’t really the kind to for too much introspection though -at least when it has to do with any negative thing….lol. But to his credit, this was the first time I saw him put his ego aside (a little) for the benefit of the group.

          • mockmook

            Very good points.

            I’m a big fan of only letting in 50% of the teams into the KO rounds (assuming 4 teams in each group).

            Perhaps the first tie breaker should be having more goals in your least productive game, then more SOG, etc.

          • ARED

            Yes, I’ve seen some discussion about the changes in format with the field and 3rd place qualifiers, and some about the “bus parking” tactics, but few seem to realize how connected they are.

          • Guest

            You might not be able to win the league but you could definitely stave off relegation. That is more of the goal for some of the smaller EPL clubs anyway who know they can’t compete with City, United, Chelsea, and Arsenal.

          • ARED

            It depends, I do not believe so if you play this way (for 0-0) in every match. It is true many teams will play this way against all the top clubs, especially in away fixtures. But if you do not try to score and beat the middle/lower clubs your best total is to get 1 point each match and even if you succeed -which you won’t -that puts you in relegation battles in most leagues.

            I am not talking about focusing first on strong defense and attacking hard/fast/well when you can. I am talking about approaching the match with the goal to kill off the 90 minutes. In tournament play, that can be effective and get you to penalties. In club play there are no penalties, and you have to be more ambitious at times or you will eventually slide down the table.

            (Unless you are *very* lucky and opponents give away goals to the two players you ever commit into the attack -for several matches in a season!)….

          • #1Fan

            Aesthetics are not part of the game at all . Supporters have an affinity for winning. The only caveat is say Barcelona, Real , maybe Arsenal but debatable. Chelsea under Mourinho bored teams to death and he is haileld as a genius.

            the style of play is not going to put WoSo on the map so boring tactics wont take it off the map.

          • AlexH

            But they are a part of the game. MLS wasted several years trying to Americanize the aesthetics. FIFA eliminated the back pass, they added passive offsides rules and the shaving cream just to make the game look better. Other sports do way more though. The NBA for example instituted the illegal defense and unofficially changed the travelling rules to allow as many steps as a player has 0s in their contract.

          • #1Fan

            and do you really think that matters? fans want to win. whether there is a shaving cream line or a subtle change to offsides. Neither of those things pout more eyes on screen or bottoms in seats. Camp Nou is full no matter what. to think that ONE team , the USA – and I put it this way on purpose – were incapable of breaking down the most obvious and used tactic by a weaker team , leads to a suggestion that the rules should change is ludicrous.

            How about Iceland at Euros they bunkered and were the feel good story of the event. Sweden upsetting the odds is a feel bad for soccer event in the USA only coz they beat you. Even the Brazilians, a soccer nation, understood that the responsibility NOT to go to Pks is on the better team.

            it not an aesthetics issue,m its a get better issue.

          • Guest

            I wasn’t exactly thrilled watching Portugal muddy their way to victory in the Euros but your point about Iceland is well taken. I like the old Euro format with less teams much better in any case.

          • #1Fan

            im with you on that.

          • Breakers fan

            Fantastic to point out the difference in how Iceland’s win was received vs. Sweden’s. That’s telling.

            But…..(thinking about it a bit more) …if Solo hadn’t said anything then I doubt bunkering would have gotten the bad name or attention that it has (at least in some circles) , — certainly not like what has happened. When I personally watched the game and afterwards I really wasn’t thinking morally against bunkering. I was just bummed we lost. I had zero anger towards Sweden’s tactics.

            It would be interesting to hear how everyone else here felt right after the game. I may make this a separate thread at the top but my question is: Right after the game what were you thinking? What was your reaction to what you just saw?

          • ARED

            The entire Euro was tainted by excessive negative play because every team knew that even with 0-0 they could advance to the knockout stage -and then you still don’t need goals, you can just wait for penalties. This was punctuated by Portugal -a talented team with many weapons including one some say is the best in the world -winning with an ultra-negative approach.

            But, Iceland (and Wales) was not like this for me. They defended most of the time yes, and were very vigorous and resolute -but they also attacked with vigor whenever they could manage to do so. They had energy, passion, and team unity which are all exciting to watch -not just a team wasting time and trying to cancel out the 90 minutes. Iceland was always trying to win by scoring goals.

            Sweden was somewhere in between for me…..

          • Breakers fan

            Thanks for this. I only starting watching the Euros after Iceland lost and the only game I saw Wales play was the one they lost and didn’t look great in, but it sounds like both teams were perhaps more offensive-minded, not as bunkering, as the Swedish women’s team in the Olympics.

          • ARED

            I’m not trying to say either looked like Spain or Germany, but Gareth Bale, Gylfi Sigurdsson, and Aaron Ramsey were certainly not playing passively or conservatively when they had any chance to attack. If they had the ball, they were trying to go forward. They did drop deep and defend with their team behind the ball, but it was more “wait and get the ball back, because this is the only way we can (against bigger/better opponents)” then “wait for penalties and pray”.

          • NYRick

            This will hurt S49’s ears, but soccer or futbol is poorly coined, “The Beautiful Game.” Rarely do you see a beautifully played game, men or women. The MLS is a physical rugby league with aging Euro stars. The EPL and La Liga are power top teams with absurd budgets and everyone else. Throw in the Euros this summer with Iceland and Portugal winning really ugly.

            It is what kind of attracted me to women’s soccer, but now this sport has it’s laden of prima donnas, divas and coaches like Pia who simply bunker and play for ties. Ahhh.

          • ARED

            Well, I see your point, but remember it is a long history with a lot of beautiful football played over the years! We cannot forget about Brazil, Italy (sometimes), Germany, Argentina, France, Brazil again, Spain, etc….But part of the reason it is the beautiful game is because of how hard it is to make it happen -for the perfect play and effort to be rewarded, for the long-loyal club servant to be rewarded with a title instead of the money-grabbing “star”. In truth you are right, more often it does not happen how we would like -but this is what makes those moments so beautiful when it does. A bit like life itself too, no? ; )

            Maybe it’s a quiet, humble guy like Iniesta scoring to win a World Cup. Or Leicester winning the impossible title for the team that shattered the odds. Maybe it’s Neymar scoring the winning penalty as Brazil erupts, two years after missing the infamous defeat with a cruel injury.

            Football has many problems, especially in government and powerful figures. And often we spend 90 minutes playing or watching and leave frustrated or even in tears. But, still sometimes it is very beautiful -just like life!

          • NYRick

            Well written! You should submit this to Foxsports or ESPN as commentary that shows the true passion and understanding of a sports fan.

            I agree with all of it and one’s interpretation or anticipation of the “beautiful moment” that can occur often when you least expect it at any time. That’s really sports in a nutshell. And it is also personal as well. For me, take 1990 SB win by Giants v Bills. It is the game that came down to the missed 47 yard FG by Scott Norwood (and yes I remember it was 47 yards) on the final play. He makes it, the Bills win SB, he misses Giants win. I remember my whole family together (relatives) all huddled in the living room waiting for the kick. I had to go outside onto the street because I couldn’t bear to watch it. Outside alone on the street you can see TV sets glowing on all the houses. And then a loud thunderous roar. I know he missed and came running back into the house into to a massive celebration. That’s sports. That’s what we live for when watching. Or in my case not bearing to watch in that instance.

            And the Neymar OG moment last week was a thrilling game that I found myself really pulling for Brazil and it’s people. Even yesterday, I watched the end of the LL WS where the team from NY upset the Korean kids for the title. The last inning was thrilling and watching those 12 year old kids throw their gloves in the air after their pitcher struck out the final batter just give you chills. And before I watched that final half an hour, I did not know any of them or never saw any of them play before. That’s sports.

          • ARED

            Thank you, but I do not support those organizations…. ; )

            Nice memory from you, although I do not appreciate American Football so much, I appreciate the moment you describe.

          • mockmook

            Indeed, I was virtually unaware of the Sweden “bunkering” as I first watched the game.

          • Breakers fan

            Yo, where are you with college soccer viewing? I saw some– (a degree of fast-forwarding occurred) of Washington St. (!!!) defeating Santa Clara; Michigan (!!!) defeating Notre Dame. I also saw some of USC and UCLA routing Beijing Normal. I have not seen Stanford-Florida yet, it’s on my dvr, so please no spoilers. Not sure I can name any individuals yet. A player I love on Michigan is out for I think the year with a knee injury so that’s a big bummer. UCLA does look tough. I was trying to picture Pugh with them. I do think she’d continue to develop with that group of players to practice with every day.

          • mockmook

            Alas, there just isn’t enough time — I suppose I should quit my job and spend all my time begging for video streams 🙂

            But, I did catch much of Duke v Arkansas.

            Arkansas wins their first game ever vs a top 15 team — pretty entertaining. Also, record crowd for Arkansas by like 30%

            Legit beat down of Duke, but still they have wonderful players all over the field.

            UCLA looks strong, but no better than other top teams. Overflowing crowds at their game at Texas A&M

            The future looks bright for woso

            I will say this regarding Florida v Stanford: It was an entertaining and well played game.

            ————-

            Today, a few nice match-ups:

            Cal vs Portland
            USC vs Pepperdine
            FLORIDA vs UCLA

            —————

            BTW, “9/2/16” looks like it will be full of tasty match-ups:

            Stanford vs Wisconsin (9/1/16)
            Florida vs FSU
            UNC vs Duke
            Cal vs Texas Tech
            PSU vs UCLA

          • Breakers fan

            Thanks for the report! I know man, it’s tough……we get a USWNT game once like a month and we know all the players, the game has consequence, but these college games – not their fault – but there’s like 5-10 a week that could be deemed quite watch-worthy and we know often zero or 1 player and….the other players look good too…..but it’s hard to tell who really is the best from among them……and each game is 2 hours …… you know what I mean.

            9/2 looks incredible. Thanks for that. Add on top of it the fact that I plan to actually attend a college game that night – Boston College vs. Cincinnati, who made the Tourney last year and that’s where I grew up, so I definitely want to go to that game. i’ll catch the others on replay.

          • Steglitz49

            Hear hear!

          • ARED

            I think it’s both. The rules shouldn’t change because of a few random or even systematic occasions of bus-parking/boring/ultra-defensive soccer, but, I do think that there is a legitimate concern which can and should be considered when at these short tournaments we see more and more teams making extra time and penalties their goal -achieved by erasing 90 minutes to keep a 0-0.

            It is one thing if Iceland does it (which they didn’t -they attacked when they could), but it is another when Portugal does -and ends up winning! The Euro was the worst tournament in recent times, despite the “feel good” stories based on some small teams winning. Iceland and Wales (and Spain and France) were great to watch, but they were thwarted because they tried to have the ball and attack.

            I agree in the context of the competition and player mindset, you must take the responsibility and find solutions to any defense -or risk losing. But, FIFA and other bodies should always be trying to find ways to improve the game -and it would benefit the game as a whole (for the neutral) if teams were encouraged to play during the 90/120 minutes, instead of encouraged to save energy, kill the clock, and then maybe play the final 10 minutes, or else just go for penalties.

          • #1Fan

            Sweden attacked as well. In fact they scored 2 perfectly WELL WORKED goals . USA scored ZERO in that category. Ill give the USA 0.5 0.25 for the assist of the Swedes face and 0.25 for the dubious foul/offisde on Lloyd goal. By rule you could argue that JJ pulling the Swede down on the set piece was a clear pen. As far as this particular game Sweden go the tactics spot on and should have had 3 goals.

            if the result had been 3-0 would you have called Sweden a bunker team ?

          • ARED

            I should clarify my comment isn’t specifically against Sweden (and certainly isn’t in support/defense of the USA’s poor display). Actually I don’t like the word “bunker” which seems so popular in some areas, because just like “parking the bus” it is used by many people to mean many (different) things…

            I believe Sweden played for 0-0, with any goals before penalties being a bonus. They scored a brilliant counter attack goal (due to poor defense by the USA), and then conceded an unlucky one which took them back to the start (1-1). The extra time goal certainly was good, although it was a bit of an odd sequence of play. I’d have to watch it again, but in my opinion they already had their draw in the bag and as extra time goes on it is common for the passive team to have a push -especially if the opponent is not playing well (as the USA was).

          • #1Fan

            i guess a see it differently. Goals are usually the result of either individual brilliance or more commonly, a mistake. Mistakes are usually a result of one team probing anothers weakness. in this case Swe , thru the coach< were well aware of the USAs. Unlike some( not saying you) I call this good play by SWE and not bad defending. I see it as a positive action by SWE not a negative one. Do i like to watch it ? not really, but I respect the heck out of them for making it work 2x. i resent the notion that defending like that and sustaining it is easy. the GK played out of her mind and should be credited big time.

          • ARED

            I definitely respect it (speaking of Sweden specifically now), and no it is far from easy. This is a very valid and an increasingly (I believe) effective way to play.

            I said bad defending because even without knowing about Blackstenius’ speed/danger, Sauerbrunn and Johnston could certainly have covered that play better. Again I’d need to rewatch for a final say, but I do not believe there were other threats to account for. Those are two top CBs, and I’d think they could manage to read/recover on a play like that on most days. But huge credit to Blackstenius for not letting them off the hook like we often see in WoSo, especially against the USA.

            I jumped in a little late on this convo. My belief is that Sweden is only another in a line of many teams who use variances of “bunker” tactics to achieve results in short tournaments. I think that FIFA should prefer to reward teams for being open and aggressive (and better), instead of punishing those teams while rewarding the “bunker”, since most agree it is only fun to watch if it your nation doing it (and they win). The tournament format, from the seeding, to the 3rd place qualifiers, to the weak punishment of fouls/cards, to the 120 minutes then penalties, all seem to lengthen the odds for the teams who are actually the best and able to win on talent, while improving the odds for lesser teams and making one big crapshoot. Some may like this, I think it taints the game for those involved and those watching.

          • #1Fan

            except real talent overcomes this consistently. you earn the right to play in soccer by turning possession into goals. The rest is just conversation. Truly great teams/ players do it all the time. Should we outlaw teams man marking because that impacts say a Messi? No, he makes you pay for it. A great team makes you pay for offering limited attacking threat by wearing down your defense. US failed in that. they need to learn from it and move on. I contend that they have had a long time to prepare and instead of celebrating meaningless stats vs cupcakes, they should have worked on this more nd selected players who could cope with it. They did not

          • ARED

            Again, I think the USWNT is a poorly operated and poorly managed team who has achieved well below their possible level for the past decade both in results and playing style/technique/etc. I agree they could/should have still won the Olympics despite facing a team or two like Sweden.

            My point is about the bigger trend in the game -and I am not talking about making any tactic or defensive plot illegal. I am talking about how the change in format magnifies the already magnified effect of “killing a game” at short international tournaments -and suggesting it’d be a better idea for FIFA and Co. to make format changes which reward -or at least do not punish -teams for trying to play.

            **Copied from a previous post of mine:

            There is a big difference between league play and a short tournament here. Over the course of 38 games good teams will be less likely to suffer from one bad 90 minute showing, while bad teams will usually face relegation if they play for 0-0 every match. But, in a short tournament this can have a much more magnified effect -especially now that the groups allow 3rd place finishers and the knockout stages have been so lopsided. The best teams can be knocked out from a bad (or unlucky) 90 minutes, while the bad teams only need 3 draws to make the knockout round, and then 2-3 more to win the tournament. You can conceivably win these tournaments without scoring a goal. You could never win a league with that approach. It affects the game massively, but mostly goes unmentioned….and that is what I am talking about. Sweden is just one of many data points.

          • guest

            to be fair the nba has changed the rules not just because of one team but because of just one player. wilt chamberlain. so it does happen. i am not saying the rules should change. but i am also not saying the rules should never change if it can improve the game. video replay is one overdue example

          • #1Fan

            get your point. I guess mine is that this is nothing new and this result adds no more impetus for me to consider it something that needs urgent addressing.

          • guest

            that’s fair. all the olympic teams were subject to the same rules. the rules aren’t to blame for the uswnt olympic loss. the uswnt players and coaches are the ones responsible for the loss. and sweden should be given credit for finding a way to win the game.

          • guest

            i was kinda of expecting maybe 30 day suspension for the negative publicity. certainly not six months and dropped from the team. i just wish hope would have given an immediate full apology for misspeaking when it happened.but it all comes back to the 2015 suspension and what the stipulations were agreed upon going forward to stay on the team. in retrospect, it does seem hope got off very light for the domestic abuse and team van dui. it would be sad to see things end like this for hope on the uswnt. hopefully, she get’s another chance for the next world cup even if she has to prove herself first in the nwsl with strong performances as a top goalie. but i guess it age will also become a factor in it.

          • wildflower

            I read somewhere that Hope did talk to Lotta Schelin after the game. They talked about the game and cleared up the air. She apologized to Schelin. This was reported in Swedish media. I wish I have link to the article.

          • I saw this morning that Schelin made a comment to the media that “if Hope got suspended by USSF for the comments she made directly after a huge loss in the Olympics, that punishment is way too harsh” – or along those lines.

          • Breakers fan

            The lesson here could be about The Olympics as much as anything else, about how basically sacred they are viewed. I’m good with that. Not being there, in the village, we don’t know what it’s like, but my guess, overwhelmingly, is that there is a really, really high spirit of community, camaraderie and respect among the athletes of all the nations. Hope shredded that pretty hard with her comment.

          • ARED

            But Hope never actually made it to the village did she?

            (Since football isn’t really a “normal” Olympic sport).

          • Breakers fan

            Maybe not, but I’m talking about what did exist at the Olympics, whether Hope was there or not, and how what she said went against that. If she didn’t venture out into the village – does anyone know if she did? — then what she said was more understandable, I guess, but it still violated the Olympic spirit, and I have to think she was aware of it, in a big way.

          • #1Fan

            100 pct. The object is to win the game. wtf does cowardice have to do with it? was Ali vs Foreman in Zaire cowardice, or brilliant strategy. Most say the latter. because he won.

          • Steglitz49

            It is called playing sensibly, smart and even wisely.

          • guest

            certainly the sports media loves to cover even inflame sprorts controversy and drama. but at the same time, i can also see the ussf not wanting to deal with negative publicity repeatedly. it is an unfortunate situation for everyone involved and the fans.

          • Breakers fan

            Yes. Let’s keep in mind the background, the history here with Hope and probably something she signed with them after earlier incidents before slamming the USSF too much. That said, I do get it about how they didn’t do this earlier with the WC and Olys approaching and how now they do it as we face 3 more years before another big tourney. But then again keepers on top teams have started at age 38, no? So, it’s not like the USSF doesn’t have anything to lose or risk from a winning standpoint by giving her the axe, at least for the time being. She could still return.

          • guest

            i just wish hope solo would have gotten ahead of the story with an immediate full apology to sweden, the olympics and the ussf. i don’t recall the timeline but it seemed that her apology was alittle half-hearted like ryan lockte’s and didn’t come till days or a week later. by that time the sports media was having a field day with it and the damage was done. hope could have did some tv inteviews like ryan lockte did to explain that she was just frustrated from just losing a close playoff and misspoke. and people would have understood. the timing and content of the apology seemed to be the real issue that could have been handled better by hope solo.

          • Breakers fan

            It appears that emotionally she wasn’t ready. In other words, if she had done what you suggest but it wasn’t really genuine, that she was doing it just to save face but didn’t really feel it, it may not have gone well for her. I didn’t follow the timeline of it either so I don’t know how long she delayed her apology. Was her apology visual, was it broadcast so that we could see her saying it, or was it just a written one that was reported, do you know?

          • guest

            i don’t think she did any tv apology. she communicated with grant wahl of si with more of a written explaination than apology saying that she was really bad at losing. i haven’t looked to see if she said anything since then. even if hope didn’t feel she said anything wrong, if she would have issued at least an apology for the negative rio olympic publicity towards the us and ussf that could have reduced the sports media frenzy and any damage. i think it was the timing and content of the apology rather than the word coward by hope solo that really did the damage.

          • AlexH

            That would have been better, but what she said really wasn’t that bad especially when you consider that many posters here think exactly the same way Solo does about bunkering and beautiful soccer. It goes to my original point about athletes answering questions honestly or just spewing party line cliches.

          • Steglitz49

            The US lost, which makes the commentators biased.

          • #1Fan

            you have had 10 days to think about it and have a far smaller emotional investment in the game. Would you want to have a 0ne hour cooling off period before interviews? i would, because i really dont care for the sensationalist stuff. but given who pays the bills, the media would never allow it or want it.

          • AlexH

            I know that in football and basketball players are forced to talk to the press. I’m curious to see if there was a similar mandate for the USWNT.

          • rkmid71

            Yes. For me, it would take more than one hour. Maybe a day. I would take the fines. I would let other calmer, more PC people speak if it was so near to the end of the game. Hope Solo should never be talking to the press in that situation. It should have been Sauerbrunn, most likely. A captain and probably the most level headed. But that’s not what happened. Now, Solo has to accept the consequences.

          • Breakers fan

            Good point. Solo has had,what, 15, 17 years on the NT to get to know herself, to realize that it’s in her best interests to take that cooling off period and in the meantime simply rebuff media attempts to elicit comments from her.

          • AlexH

            She may not have had the choice though. The fact that those glass screens behind the players when they talk to the press are chalked full of sponsors leads me to believe that players can’t just walk away.

          • Breakers fan

            Where was this scene – the one with sponsors in the background? In the locker room? And do you know about how many minutes after the game Solo made her comment?

            You raise a very interesting possibility – that sponsors *require* their athletes to speak very soon after a game. But still, if she KNOWS this, and has self-awareness she could then know to try super-extra-ultra-mega hard not to self-sabotage herself with anything that could exit her mouth.

          • wildflower

            I find it interesting that Aaron Heiftz, the US Soccer press officer, were nowhere near players after the game.

          • Breakers fan

            Good question about Heifitz. I’m unable to help at all with the answer. I don’t follow his work closely but it seems that his presence and role have diminished, but I could be wrong.

          • Very much so I would say. Remember before Jill took over, we were getting new videos/interviews and fun segments during every camp. Seems like the “fun” of that has kind of disappeared and you see a lot less of Heif too.

          • Breakers fan

            Yes. I hope they return. Things seemed to get very serious pre-Olympics and even before that. There have been some fun things during Jill’s tenure – McCaffrey and Sam Mewis did a few funny ones, and maybe there were others (Pugh having to do her homework in camp) but it does seem like a big reduction in the light-hearted ones.

          • Gary Diver

            “Things seemed to get very serious pre-Olympics and even before that.”

            There is only 4 months to go before the USWNT contract runs out. At least 4 more months of seriousness.

            For fun, Rose Lavelle would add a lot of spice.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVbS9Ze21XA

          • And in turn, the WNT has had 15-17 years to get to know Hope, yet they continually let her go into the fire and give her a voice to make these kinds of comments. Setting themselves up all the way.

          • Breakers fan

            Good point. They could have had discussions with her instructing her firmly to not talk to the press right away if she is riled up after a loss.

          • mockmook

            But:

            1) She probably isn’t sorry about the thrust of her comments

            2) She isn’t wired to give “fake” apologies for things she thinks don’t need apologizing for. Her “sorry if people are offended” is as far as she will go.

            IMHO

          • Breakers fan

            You may very well be right about her. After the heat of the moment (as John Wetton crooned) one wonders if she ever regretted her comment if one takes away the “it might hurt my career” aspect of regret.

        • kernel_thai

          Solo just confuses her inner voice with the one people can hear. But, here is a classier version if u want “Sweden won so props to them but their tactics do nothing to make the woman’s game more popular with fans and more financially successful.” I mean she had over 120 minutes to think of something to say while the teams played at the other end.

        • AlexH

          But if she said that Solo would be suspended because the headline would read, “Solo rips offence’s inability to score against inferior team!”

          • Breakers fan

            Yes! Good catch. I thought of that too after writing it and figured I needed a better response – thus asking for more submissions. 🙂

      • AlexH

        Of course. I don’t think Solo was that disrespectful though. It’s not like she dropped f-bombs or anything. Had Solo been a studio pundit nobody would have cared. She just broke some unwritten rule that says players have to be gracious in defeat. She wasn’t but it’s not like she dropped f-bombs and insulted Pia’s mother.

    • Terry Lash

      Generally, Steven Goff writes thoughtful articles in The Washington Post, often giving good visibility to women’s soccer. We in the D>C> area are lucky to have him reporting on soccer. But his recent article about Solo I believe was unbalanced and off the mark. There does seem to be a piling on by reporters, buying Gulati’s action, while not mentioning JE’s much more serious mismanagement of the OG tournament. Back in 2007 Gulati fired then coach Ryan for losing in the semi-final, and thereby indirectly accepting Solo’s criticism of Ryan for playing Scurry instead of her in the game against Brazil. JE has now lost at the quarter final stage in the OG. What’s her punishment going to be?

      • AlexH

        I think part of the reason that the press and Gulati seem to be all cozy on this is that both have come to the conclusion that the WNT is gets more copy as a feel good story rather than a sporting story. Winning is important because at some point it is necessary for feeling good but it is just a stepping stone for the brand. Hope’s problem is that she just wants to win and hasn’t warmed to what the real story really is.

      • NYRick

        It’s simple. Ask yourself if Solo called out Costa Rica as cowards for an April match before the OG if they would have suspended her?

        They don’t need her anymore. 3 WCs, 3 OGs, 200 caps. And now an embarrassing and unexpected medal less OG coming in as big favorites. She’s done. This was just an excuse as opposed to skywriting over her house.

  • Gary Diver

    Much Ado About Nothing: Hope Solo and Christine Sinclair

    I don’t regret what I said. We just lost the chance of playing for an Olympic gold medal, and that’s a dream that all of us have. It was a very intense time and I was very emotional and I wouldn’t want to change that. —Canada’s Christine Sinclair

    Fact: Christine Sinclair was NOT punished for comments she made to the press after the painful OG12 SF defeat. She was suspended for 4 matches (a minor punishment) by FIFA for things she said ON THE FIELD DIRECTLY TO THE REFEREE. The comments by Sinclair and her teammates to the press were given a free pass by FIFA, by ICO, and by the Canada Soccer Federation.

    “Christine Sinclair Has no Regrets About Comments Made to Referee Following London 2012 Loss”

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/soccer/christine-sinclair-has-no-regrets-about-comments-made-to-referee-following-london-2012-loss/article4613959/

    “Christine Sinclair’s Suspension Wasn’t for Comments to Media”

    http://www.cbc.ca/sports/soccer/christine-sinclair-s-suspension-wasn-t-for-comments-to-media-1.1158484

    P.S. Hope Solo has apologized for her comments about Sundhage’s strategy much more than Christine Sinclair ever did to the Norwegian referee who she told to her face that she was in on a fix. Let’s get some perspective here.

    • Paul Klee

      Don’t take this the wrong way, but You need to stop with these repetitive space filling posts. You don’t need to post essentially the same rant every hour. Or at least if you feel the need; just put it in a reply to one of your other posts that say essentially the same thing.

    • guest

      it might have helped hope if she apologized right away saying that she misspoke. instead of waiting till later.

      • Gary Diver

        Agree, but there seems to be a general problem in our society of people not being able to apologize and to sincerely say “I am sorry for the misunderstanding and any hurt that I’ve caused”. It is easier to pull a person’s tooth out without novocaine that to get them to admit wrong.

    • Steglitz49

      FIFA handled a sensitive issue with aplomb, unusal for them, granted.

      • Gary Diver

        But please notice that there was sharp a differentiation between what Sinclair said on the field to the referee (which she was punished) and for what she said to the press (which nobody punished her for). What Sinclair did that was parallel to what Solo wrote (speaking to the press) NOBODY cared about and that includes FIFA, IOC, and the Canada Soccer Federation.

        • Steglitz49

          A lady is never unintentionally rude. Modified from Wilde.

          • Gary Diver

            You are funny!

          • Steglitz49

            We have ways of making you laugh.

        • Steglitz49

          FIFA punished Sinclair for her comments and handled it elegantly. Comments in interviews etc were up to the CSA to deal with.

          Has there been any reactions in Swedish media over the USSF punishment of Hope?

    • NYRick

      Sinclair post OG12 deserved a 6 month ban from any FIFA matches. You can’t have a major competition like the OG and then say it was fixed. A captain can not say that even if they believed it. Suspension definitely.

  • newsouth

    maybe solo can hire a good lawyer and take down the evil tet

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oDeh5e4jtY

  • Terry Lash

    I think Solo’s punishment is ridiculous, even considering past behavior. US Soccer, I believe, has acted now to respond to the “decency” police, because the Women’s World Cup is now three years away and Solo is at the end of her career. Gulati apparently figures the WNT does not need her any more. So, burn her at the stake. He has taken a cynical approach. Perhaps he is trying to divert public attention from the fact that the team under his chosen coach played poorly in the games and by losing to Sweden for the first time did not get beyond the quarter final stage of the OG.

    The severity of objections to her use of the word “coward” with respect to the Swedish team’s tactics are hard to understand. It appears to me no more than being offensive to middle class suburbanites, who seem to control this conversation. Solo’s critics refer to a series of missteps. The first one mentioned was Solo’s blunt criticism of the WNT’s coach Ryan after losing to Brazil in the 2007 WWC. Solo had been the starting keeper until the semifinal with Brazil, but Ryan unexpectedly had Scurry start instead of Solo. The US lost with Scurry. Solo was right that she would have been the better keeper to start the match and said so publicly after the game. No one disagreed with her statement substantively. It was all about the appearance of a player openly criticizing her coach. It is noteworthy that Ryan was fired for the team’s performance, and Solo was reinstated as the starting keeper by the new coach, Sundhage.

    The failure of a drug test in 2012 was explained as unintentionally taking a pre-menstrual drug containing a diuretic on the US Antidoping Agency’s prohibited list. She was allowed to compete in 2012 London Olympic Games without suspension.

    Although she was arrested in 2014 for alleged domestic violence, she claims innocence and has not been found guilty in court.

    Perhaps the worst action by Solo was allowing her husband to drive a US Soccer team van during camp, who was arrested for driving under the influence of alcohol. She received a suspension for this bad behavior.

    The 6-month game suspension for calling the Swedish team cowards is the minor part of the punishment. The worst is canceling her contract with US Soccer, which not only eliminates her salary, but also will result in canceling of sponsorships, costing her even more indefinitely into the future. But the contract cancelation also makes US Soccer legally vulnerable. The players union is going to fight this action vigorously, costing US Soccer not only money for costs to fight the union, but also in terms of more unfavorable publicity.

    • Breakers fan

      They could have taken the route of just starting Naeher or Harris over Solo, but for some reason they took the route they did. It could relate to: a) clear and firm discussions they had with her after the last, van, incident and maybe something she signed at that time; b) tarnishing the US image at the Olympics, something perhaps taken very seriously bu the USOC, in what was otherwise a really successful Games for the USA; c) a perceived need to respond to the negative feedback her comment got immediately afterwards.

      I state all of those before the one about saving some money by doing what they did, at least on the face of it (you rightly point out an imminent likely response from the player’s union), or the one about just being tired of her volatility, and how this marks a nice point in time to go in a new direction and remove her completely from the scene at least for 6 months.

      It could be a combination of all this stuff, but in the end I don’t really have a big problem with it because it does go against the Olympic oath and I think she largely “dug her own grave” over the years. Hope should have been cognizant of the Olympic oath at the time, I feel. That said, when I first heard it, it didn’t really bother me all that much. I was pissed about losing too and I could see where she was coming from. It was just an A=B type of statement that wasn’t outlandish in terms of how one could interpret what just happened.

      • Gary Diver

        “Tarnishing the US image at the Olympics, something perhaps taken very seriously bu the USOC, in what was otherwise a really successful Games for the USA.”

        Really! If USWNT had won the game and Solo had been the hero (by stopping a couple more PKs), in what world would USSF have suspended Solo for 6 months for her “coward” comments. The odds for that happening are close to zero.

        • Breakers fan

          But she wouldn’t have made the cowards statement if we had won that game. Or am I not reading you correctly? She would have been happy and would have forgotten how Sweden approached the game.

          • Gary Diver

            You are probably right, but we will never know. I assume if USWNT had won, Ellis would have fulfilled her responsibility and held a post-game interview and there would not have been reporters searching for players for answers.

          • Breakers fan

            I don’t know 100% but in my mind it would be the shock of all shocks if Solo had still made that “cowards” statement after a victory, especially one that would have ended with her just stopping a PK or two. The reporters would have wanted to speak to the heroine – Solo – after making some PK saves but no way does she stoop to calling Sweden cowards at that point, unless I really don’t know her capabilities in that realm.

        • Steglitz49

          The US did not win.

      • NYRick

        The reason that they just didn’t start Naeher and Harris for the next 6 months to a year over Solo is really simple…they are gutless.

        That would have in their eyes more offended Solo in their bizarro world. Proving the coach is without any power and the team is essentially run by Flynn and Gulati with Ellis the daily house mother. Seriously, if they just started playing Naeher and Harris over Solo would anyone have the right to say peep? They are both proven established keepers you can obviously win with in their own right. You just say, they are now outperforming Solo IN PRACTICE (their company line for everything). Done. Case closed.

        By taking away her contract, I think that is pretty low for this type of offense (name calling the Swedes). She could lose big sponsor money for this, and in this instance it is unwarranted.

        • AlexH

          it isnt even 6 months, it is 4.5 so they don’t even get much savings over the 3 month severance. They went out of their way to hurt Solo. They should at least be up front as to why.

        • Breakers fan

          Maybe, (“they’re gutless) but not being in their shoes it’s a lot easier for us to brush off the “we’re sick of her unpredictability and loose cannon-ability” possibility among US Soccer brass. Just sayin’ that after giving her all those chances that I can understand being a bit touchy when it comes to her saying something like that on the World stage at an event that really stresses good sportsmanship and respect for all athletes.

    • #1Fan

      so let me ask you if Solo was the obvious form choice, why did Ryan not play her? There must have been a reason. One that has never really been made apparent. If you believe that the best player should play short of murdering someone, then ok. but I beleive that you cannot sacrifice the culture of a team for a few players. The WNT has been guilty of this over and over.

  • Gary Diver

    The Real Questions We Should Be Asking and Demanding Answers

    “Why was an unfit Rapinoe on the roster? Why was the imposing Lindsey Horan used sparingly? Were some players simply pressing too hard and made poor decisions or bad shots?

    The longer-term questions are even tougher. In the youth game, US Soccer is pushing a Development Academy model over the objections of the existing Elite Clubs National League. At the top level, the US women’s players have taken a tough public stance in labor talks, pushing “equal pay for equal play” while steadfastly dodging questions over whether that means going without guaranteed salaries in favor of bonuses that won’t always be there. Going without the salaries might open up more competition for spots on the team, and it would force changes to the professional NWSL, which is nearing the end of its fourth season. The NWSL, like the WUSA and WPS before it, reinvigorated the talent pool.

    Should US Soccer spend more on its existing elite players? Or should it ramp up development at all levels of the game? Or split the difference somehow?

    These are tough questions. But everyone involved with the US women’s team, from the players to the federation, will have to grapple with them. To do otherwise would be cowardly.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/aug/13/usa-women-national-team-soccer-rio-2016-analysis

    • HOFCToDi

      Association football is not the national sport of the USA. The USA experienced the most successful Summer Olympic Games since the Eastern Bloc boycotted the 1984 Summer Olympic Games.

      • Steglitz49

        It was the National sport of American women till it crashed and burnt in Rio. N’est-ce pas?

        • HOFCToDi

          No, it wasn’t dumbass. Soccer is the third most popular team sport amongst high school females in the United States.

          • Steglitz49

            It still crashed burnt in Rio. 2019 next chance. Best of British to you.

          • HOFCToDi

            Where was Sweden at the 2010 FIFA World Cup? Where was Sweden at the 2014 FIFA World Cup? That’s right, Sweden was nowhere to be found.

            Where was Sweden at UEFA Euro 2016? That’s right, Sweden was at the bottom of Group E.

          • Steglitz49

            The Swedish lasses got to play two matches in the Maracana. Jolly good show.

        • HOFCToDi

          Where was Sweden at the 2010 FIFA World Cup? Where was Sweden at the 2014 FIFA World Cup? That’s right, Sweden was nowhere to be found.

          • Steglitz49

            Vive la difference!
            Remember Brasilia — and who did not get to go to Rio

      • Gary Diver

        “The USA experienced the most successful Summer Olympic Games since the Eastern Bloc boycotted the 1984 Summer Olympic Games.”

        Unfortunately, soccer was not among USA’s successes. For the very first time USNWT did not reach the SF stage. There are questions that USSF/USWNT need to answer about how to go forward and produce a team playing up to its potential, which it is currently not doing.

        • HOFCToDi

          If the American public gave a damn about soccer in the United States, two women’s professional association football leagues would not have gone bankrupt in this century alone.

          WoSo is so popular in the United States that the average attendance for the Chicago Red Stars during the 2016 NWSL Season of 2,987 is down from the average attendance for the Chicago Red Stars during the 2009 WPS Season of 4,928 at Toyota Park.

          • Steglitz49

            Who is Chicago’s biggest star? Stina Blackstenius? Lotta Schelin?

          • Gary Diver

            Isn’t the Red Stars your favorite NWSL team? It is my, but I am not sure they can survive in Chicago. It’s just been reported that Alyse LaHue has stepped down as GM. Things unfortunately don’t look good for the Red Stars and I have no idea what can turn things around.

          • HOFCToDi

            You still don’t get it.

            Taurasi: Team USA’s gold bigger than just a medal

            nbcolympics.com/video/diana-taurasi-team-usas-gold-bigger-just-medal

          • Steglitz49

            Miracle on Grass!” They call it among the winners.
            The other match is known as the “miracle in the Maracana”.

    • HOFCToDi

      The hypocrisy of Europeans. England, Italy, Portugal, Spain failed to reach the knockout stage of the 2014 FIFA World Cup while the USA advanced. England failed to reach the quarterfinals of UEFA Euro 2016. For the supposed birthplace of modern association football, England is the laughing stock of the world.

      • Steglitz49

        Your soccer- universe crashed and burnt in Rio. Better luck in France in 3 years time.

        • HOFCToDi

          The USA experienced the most successful Summer Olympic Games since the Eastern Bloc boycotted the 1984 Summer Olympic Games.

          By the way, baseball/softball will be back for the 2020 Summer Olympic Games.

          • Steglitz49

            The USWNT had its worst tournament ever.

          • mskillens

            Are you trolling? Not sure how they did in 1984 but The USWNT had the worst tournament ever in US History!!

          • Steglitz49

            He can’t cope, poor lamb. His team crashed and burnt.

          • HOFCToDi

            Where does soccer place in the sporting landscape of the United States of America?

            Hint:

            en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_professional_sports_leagues_by_revenue

          • Steglitz49

            Highest among the women. Not since Brasilia because they can’t cope with being taken to the cleaners and shown to be impotent.

          • mockmook

            Hey doofus, this site is about woso.

          • Breakers fan

            I LOVE that softball, and baseball, are back, but I really missed softball being in the games. I’ve followed it for many years. All those great college players the last 10 years or so who had really nowhere and nothing genuinely prestigious to shoot for, I feel bad for them. But now, if any are still playing and good enough or can return to form, and current college grads and recent grads, they can shoot for the 2020 Games – excellent.

          • kevin

            i heard the ioc will be adding skateboarding and surfing to the next 2020 summer olympics as well. i wonder if that means other sports will get dropped. maybe not. i’m a little pissed i missed the rugby which was added this year. will check out next time.

          • Breakers fan

            I heard about skateboarding but not surfing. Will be interesting to see how they do those in the Olympics. Will skateboarding be about tricks or speed, distance, height? Sounds potentially very good. I saw a good deal of rugby. In the men’s Fiji was unbeatable which was great as they tend not to do well in other sports and the US women’s team was really good but had an earlier than expected exit, still they were fun to watch – they had a couple burners on the wings who had some great long runs.

          • Hwah

            I absolutely hated when they cut softball; and like you, I can’t imagine any of those kids that passed through eligibility years when softball wasn’t in the Olympics….what a bitter pill for them.
            Regardless, I can’t wait for it to come back!

          • Breakers fan

            It’ll be really interesting to see who comprises our team. What will the age range be? Who of the now older players has either kept playing or will make a comeback? Remember that incredible hitter from Arizona St. about ….maybe 6 years ago now. I’m trying to remember her name – very Irish name. Katie M_____ I can’t get it right now but she is one who just missed out and I wonder if she’ll be back. I’m assuming Jessica Mendoza will be too old but if anyone could make the team at her age it would be her. I loved watching Kelly Majam play for Hawaii a few years ago. The list goes on. Our games vs. Japan were classic and one can only hope we get another US-Japan final ……in Tokyo!!

          • Steglitz49

            I want 16 WoSo teams first.

          • Steglitz49

            I don’t. I was glad when they got rid of those two. It is a backward step.
            Does this mean that we get 16 WoSo trams like the men do? I sincerely hope so.

  • Gary Diver

    Who Pays Who?

    I know USSF/USWNT pays its player salaries and loans them to NWSL teams. But who pays English, French, and German national players? Is there something USSF could learn and use from those countries?

    • Rdalford

      who pays who ? for what it is worth
      The English FA pays English WNT players an annual base contract since 2009

      per BBC article published last June doing WC coverage
      “England players have been awarded central contracts since 2009, with 27 currently on a yearly deal worth up to about £26,000. England players in the Women’s Super League can earn up to about £35,000 from their clubs. … The majority of centrally contracted players earn about £20,000 from their clubs, but there are players in the WSL who are on as little as £50 a week, … The national federations of Canada, Mexico and Brazil all contribute to their players’ incomes, helping to take the financial burden away from clubs …”)

      The FA also provides support to woso leagues including some FA money directly to teams intended to somewhat level the playing field with wealthy teams. As quotes from article note the players then have separate contracts with the WSL Teams. The WSL has a loose version of salary cap (no salary limit on up to 4 players per team – sort of like MLS designated players, then WSL sets a max player salary, but no team salary cap (and no player min).

      Canada and Australia (under terms of contract the Australian players union negotiated last year), and even Brazil (during the past 2 years of residency but now unclear) football federations all also have some sort of base contract arrangement with their WNT players. However the other WNT’s base contract amounts are somewhat lower than the USWNT base contract amounts and (with exception of US & Canada) the players then have separate contracts with their club teams.

      I do not know details of how(or if) French or German WNT players are paid by their federations for WNT activities but the WNT players have contracts with are paid by the various clubs in Europe when playing for club teams.

  • Gary Diver

    Off-Topic Alert: Canada is now ranked no. 4 in FIFA ranking

    best OG16 overachiever: Canada
    worse OG16 underachiever: USWNT

    http://www.cp24.com/sports/canada-s-women-s-soccer-team-rises-to-4th-in-fifa-rankings-1.3045459

    If SBC is suppose to have the top 4 teams, should Canada be invited? I suspect USWNT does not want to play Canada. Last August Alex Morgan singled out Canada as the one team she prefer not to play.

    • guest

      The only reason the USWNT player have said they don’t want to play Canada is because the current crop of players don’t like how physical they are. Any player prone to injury like Morgan would be a little hesitant to play them when WoSo officials let players like Tancredi get away with 2-3 yellows per game. Buchanan was lucky not to be sent off in Canada’s game during the Olympics for late challenges. I don’t think Canada is better than the US, Germany, France or England despite a good tournament.

      • #1Fan

        Like Dorrance @ UNC, Herdman has spotted a loophole in the way WoSo is played. Aggressive play is not punished as it should be. he is exploiting it. I would be far more concerned with this than I would with the so called “bunker” effect

        • rkmid71

          The US spotted it before Herdman. Herdman and others just got wise to it. Wasn’t that Wambach’s whole game? Lloyd? Once teams neutralize the physicality, the other aspects weigh larger — tactics, ball skills. awareness/soccer iq. Even Japan did so in 2011 WC, thought they seemed to lose the script in 2015.

          • #1Fan

            This is the evolution of the Womens game. On the mens side, great players were kicked/ marked out of the game with little protection from referees. At some point WoSo will react to this and evolve. Several things need to happen to speed it up- better referees, better playing surfaces etc.