Lloyd has MCL sprain; out 3-6 weeks

The Equalizer Staff April 25, 2016 304
Carli Lloyd will miss 3-6 weeks with an MCL sprain.

Carli Lloyd will miss 3-6 weeks with an MCL sprain.

Houston Dash and United States national team player Carli Lloyd had a Grade 1 sprain of the MCL on her right knee. The MRI also showed some stretching of the distal hamstring. Recovery time for Lloyd is expected to be three-to-six weeks meaning she should return in plenty of time to take her place on the Olympic roster this summer.

The injury occurred early in the Dash’s 3-1 loss at Orlando on Saturday night at the Citrus Bowl. Lloyd moved in to challenge an outlet pass by Laura Alleway and wound up blocking the ball with her foot in a vulnerable position.

“She blocked it and she didn’t have her ankle locked and it sort of hit her ankle out, Alleway said before correctly predicting, “I’m guessing by the way it hit her it could have something to do with her medial (the M in MCL).”

Lloyd, who was already tweeting positively on Saturday night, released a statement through the Dash: “I would like to thank everyone for their well wishes. Obviously, I’m very disappointed with the injury. I was feeling great and starting to get comfortable with my Dash teammates. The timing is not great but I’m confident that I will come back in peak condition. Rehab starts tomorrow and you’ll see me on the field soon.”

The Dash brought Kealia Ohai off the bench to replace Lloyd on Saturday and are far better equipped to handle this type of injury than in years past. They were also preparing to spend some time without Lloyd for national team responsibilities.

  • Steglitz49

    Good news for Carli. Great.

    But, please, what does “years” in the opening sentence of the last paragraph mean? “The Dash … are far better equipped to handle this type of injury than in years past.” — How many years have Houston been in the NWSL?

    • Gary Diver

      Good point, people do seem to have very short memories.

      • Steglitz49

        Your point is well taken. My mum used to exhort: “Take many; take two!”

    • NYRick

      Why is Carli immune from your Logan’s Run theory regarding any WoSo player? Most players in their mid 20s should be knitting according to you, but Carli at 34 sojourns on, and you are good with it.

  • kernel_thai

    If the Dash rally around this it could be a positive. It means they dont have to break up the young attackers and it means Brian and Andressa stay in high midfield roles. Then when Lloyd comes back they just add her in where she helps the most. Of course the flip side is the now very young Dash attack could falter. Hopefully not.

    • HT

      It means Press gets to play as a forward on the NT, while Dunn goes back to outside mid.

      • Guest11

        Ellis rates Dunn over Press at forward. From what I saw during Colombia games. Ellis said she outplayed her in practice. Though stuff changes all the time, Dunn was starter at midfield then benched for Pugh. Ellis is usually clueless.

        • Steglitz49

          Ellis won WC-15 which must be counted her for merit, clueless or not.

          • CED

            Lucking into a win despite you doing everything to prevent it via silly tactics, is no merit. She is utterly clueless only matched by her gutlessness. She took dead weight to the Wcup and has made any roster decisions that were not forced on her by pregnancy, injury, or obvious dead weight of players that weren’t playing for the last 2 years, etc..

          • Steglitz49

            Was the draw rigged? Yes. Were the seeds screwed with? Yes.

            Nevertheless, the record books will only show that the US won WC-15 by defeating the reigning World Champions, Japan, a team much admired and cherished around the world.

            One team is known as the “Veterans” while the other is called the “Golden Generation”. No prizes for guessing which.

          • CED

            Golden Generation..LOL.

          • Steglitz49

            Why are you laughing?

          • Gary Diver

            You are right. Winning covers a lot of sins. If Sermanni hadn’t lost to Denmark at the 2014 Algarve Cup all of soccer history could have been altered.

            At WC, Ellis could have easily lost the first two games of group play. And if USWNT lost to Germany (which the soccer gods didn’t allow to happen), Ellis may not have kept her job. But people have to give Ellis credit for winning WC. She may have pulled it out of the fire, but she did pull it out and has earned the right to do things her way (paraphrasing Frank Sinatra).

          • kernel_thai

            I love this scenario. If people believe Ellis had zero control over the WC roster and tactics and was told by the fed who to take and how to play, and that strategy won the WC, why do people now believe now she is in total control and doing it her way? Wouldnt it make more sense that whoever was pulling the strings that won the cup is still pulling the strings?

            I personally buy none of it. I believe this team is all about marketing and that is how rosters r decided. Ellis just gets to do the best she can with the roster that s handed to her.

          • Ryan

            Who told her not play Dunn and take Chalupny?

          • kernel_thai

            As I mentioned about, even if she had been directed to stay with a more veteran team when she got the job, that would not have included Chalupny and Boxx who werent part of the mix when she took over. If getting younger sooner were important to Ellis, those were two spots she could have saved for players who would have still been on the team on 2019

          • Gary Diver

            During the beginning of the VT a lot of people were saying “don’t expect any call-ups – this is a celebration for the team for winning”. If Ellis was just a puppet and marketing was the controlling factor then I would not have expected any call-ups. (There wasn’t any for the first two games and then Dunn was called up for the next two.)

            I think 13 members of WC15 roster were carryovers from the WC11 roster (and I think the WC11 had only 21 player not 23). Since she was brought in a year before WC, Ellis was limited in the changes she could realistically make. It is impossible to redesign a team one year from the WC. Also, Ellis was probably hired with certain constraints placed on her. (Under the circumstances that would be logical.)

            In the few months since the middle VT games, there has been substantial changes in the USWNT roster. If you google “USWNT Olympics roster” and look at articles written last August-October by so-called soccer pundits, nobody predicted that Ellis’ roster was going to look much different than a shrunk down WC15 roster. The fact is that the OG16 roster is going to look much different than the WC15 and I don’t see where marketing has played a role in it.

          • Lorehead

            It is literally in the contract that the VT is a reward for the players who won the World Cup.

          • kernel_thai

            And a requirement that they participate as the tour generates their WC bonus money.

          • Lorehead

            Well, they always have to report to camp, or they don’t get paid. Holiday, Chalupny, Boxx and Wambach were all contractually allowed to retire.

          • kernel_thai

            Ah, but that is exactly the proof of the Evil Marketing Empire theory. If Ellis had really wanted to go to war with the team she took to WC then why be so quick to run them out the door during the VT? Hell, 3 of them were put out to pasture before the tour even ended. The company line was the needed to get the rebuild started for 2019 WC but r they talking about getting the players an extra three months playing together? Maybe they were more concerned about establishing the next group of young stars who they would be marketing from now until 2019. It wasnt like Ellis had open tryouts. They simply hand picked the next group of players and kept bring them in camp after camp.

            If the notion is that Ellis was told to stay the course when she got the job then how do u explain Chalupny and Boxx? Both were added very late…Boxx coming off two inactive years and Chalupny asked to play a position she hadnt played in several years. Neither player did anything in the buildup that cried where have u been but both had very nice, marketable stories of their return to the fold. If it was truly Ellis’ grand scheme to get younger, it would have been simple to start there instead of going out of her way to cut younger players and bring in older ones.

          • Guest

            She has the most vast talent pool in the world and could not figure out how to utilize it until two suspensions dictated her choices. The team also looked horrible for the build up to 2015 due to players being misutilized and such. It is not as though she has the most difficult job to do with the players she has at her disposal.

            Same goes for how Johnston got her chance in the starting lineup. She leaves it up to chance and rare circumstances for change to be made.

      • Guest

        No? Heath and Pugh will still be the outside mids….

      • Guesting

        How about moving Morgan Brian up to AM and replace her with Long or they could also give Mallory Pugh a try at it as well.

  • Guest3

    Plenty of time to do promotional stuff. Not like NT’rs care about the NWSL. Captain from Portland cant bother to mention game days on twitter.

    • Joe

      Attend a fathers wedding? To be fair Tobin doesn’t promote the national team either. Not very big on the social media like rest of national team that loves attention. Klingenberg who has someone follow her around everywhere to make videos for her teen fans watch.

      • Steglitz49

        Your point are well taken but — how many fathers does she have? (Groan, groan. A cheap shot but I could not resist.)

        • Lorehead

          It’s tacky enough that you keep on bringing that up in discussions where it’s not relevant, but especially so this time. Bill Sinclair, Christine’s father, died on April 16.

          • Guest1

            They are talking about Tobin Heath who is captain on the Thorns right now, who hasn’t mention either game so far this season as lack of interest towards promoting the NWSL. She doesn’t use SM much. Which is example of high profile player not helping the NWSL grow.

          • She actually has mentioned both on Instagram. https://www.instagram.com/tobinheath/?hl=en

          • HOFCToDi

            I thought it was the responsibility of the commissioner, owners, general managers to grow the NWSL.

          • mockmook

            I’d say it is any stakeholder’s responsibility (that includes players).

            And, I’d bet that most players agree.

          • Gary Diver

            There is a difference between who is responsible for growing NWSL and in whose interest it is for NWSL to grow.

            I think NWSL can do a hell of a lot better and needs to hire people with better marketing skills. Still, it is in the interest of the players for NWSL to succeed and grow. I have always felt that USWNT players should make it a high priority to throw their weight behind NWSL. A strong NWSL helps everybody, a weak NWSL helps nobody. And even USWNT players must realize that the pay differential between USWNT players and non-USWNT NSWL players is very unhealthy for the future of WoSo.

          • HOFCToDi

            The USWNTPA should pay out their own pocket to advertise NWSL games on radio and television? Fat chance.

          • Gary Diver

            You are right about it not happening, but I would argue that it would be in their interest to do so.

          • Personal Loss

            Had not heard this. Not many people could play at 100% after such a loss. It takes weeks to recover a bit from loss of a loved one. Helps explain her absence from the pitch. From personal experience I guarantee Sinc is not in the best emotional place right now.

      • Guest

        Kling is injured too. I’m waiting for the official report from Thorns.

      • ZIKAZINHO

        Not very big on the social media like rest of national team that loves attention= Solo, Harris, Krieger, Lloyd, Leroux, Morgan

        • mockmook

          “Attention” is just another word for “promotion”.

          “Promotion” is needed in WoSo.

          • ZIKAZINHO

            Promotion WoSo responding to people who speak about her lesbian relationship with a teammate , promoting herself and the boring coach , tweeting about the evolution of pregnancy, about husbands games, promoting their own sponsors ……. player has to be good on the field , not in social media. Naeher is a brilliant player, but why the most people prefer Harris?

    • Jersey Shore Rises

      You have to be kidding me… You ever hear of a guy named Messi, he does not even HAVE his own Twitter account…. Sheez, find some other trolling to do.

      • Steglitz49

        “T(w)itter ye not”, as the late Frankie Howerd would have said.

      • Joe

        National team player that cant even both mention her club team during game days. People wonder why the women soccer leagues fold? No one knows they are going on.

    • Gary Diver

      Dumb question: Captain from Portland is Sinclair?

      • Steglitz49

        Starsea?

      • Don B.

        Heath.

        • Guest

          It’s Sinclair when she is healthy. She isn’t right now.

          • Gary Diver

            Thanks, that clarifies my confusion. Sinclair also doesn’t seem to promote her team on her social media. She gets excited about national games but less so about Portland games.

          • Don B.

            Sinclair isn’t a social media person. Her posts are extremely rare.

    • Kim

      God, will you people stop with this? Jeez they do care they could easily all opt out the season that’s an option they have. They’re all talking about growing the league and getting better pay. Alex Morgan just talked about this on TV, Ali Krieger on Sirius Radio, Broon in an interview with Foudy. What more do you want they’re not in charge of the league. And Tobin Heath barely even knows how to operate a computer but she just discussed this in an interview and posted on Instagram about it. So not sure why you’re lying.

      • CED

        LOL.. Read their court filing answers, read the details of their CBA/MOU, etc…They don;t give a rats @ss about NWSL. They showed that by their statements and also actions numerous times.

        • Hun

          AM is millionaire, what is she doing help her mcdonalds working employees teammates out? Nothing. She is in her FL mansion. She cant even help them get free nike cleats that she gets for free.

          • done

            She paid for her team’s hotel on more than one occasion. She’s not a damn charity she can’t give them free boots. Lol what is this comment. Saying they don’t care about a league they’re playing makes no sense. Growth in the league and better pay benefits the national teamers as well no matter how much you want to believe they don’t care. You can’t blame them for USSFs doing they don’t set the pay for NWSL players they can only bring awareness.

          • Don B.

            That’s not even close to being true. When the Pride were in Portland, they trained at the Nike field, and the players that wanted them were all given Nike shoes, certainly with Morgan’s influence. There’s a photo on the Pride page that bears this out. When she played with the Thorns, she personally bought all the new players on the team who didn’t have apparel sponsorships new cleats. And as “done” states, she personally, out of her own pocket, put the entire Portland team up at a Hyatt when the bed bugs was an issue.

    • Lorehead

      Tobin Heath did retweet an announcement about the first game, two days before.

    • Paul Klee

      I would put a team of 11 Tobin clones against any starting XI in world. It might be like herding cats to manage. But it would be wonderful.

  • Gary Diver

    Picture selections are never random. This picture of Lloyd makes her look like she is 40 years old. Barely recognized her.

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  • AlexH

    I bet Jill is saying, “Yes! I get Carli back in plenty of time for the OG and don’t have to worry about her sustaining a major injury until then. .”

    I guess this is a million dollar sprain for the WNT.

    • Gary Diver

      I hope you are right, but sometimes injures, like trouble, comes in threes.

      • Well, for the NWSL, it did already. Kat Williams of Portland, Jess Fishlock of Seattle and Carli for Houston. What an unfortunate weekend..

    • CED

      Ellis was thinking OMG I might not have to play a system to cater to a player who can’t play their actual position of CM, but I haven’t the guts to sit no matter how poorly they play and that has been useless against every decently organized teams since the Wcup. A player that played poorly the entire Wcup save 1 game where Japan decided not to show up..

      • rkmid71

        I’m sure many players are now chomping at the bit to make an impression in the next 4-5 weeks in Lloyd’s spot. But are there any games until the Japan friendlies? And Lloyd will be back for those…she will not want the NT to play those games without her.

        • CED

          It will make no difference. Ellis will always play LLoyd no matter how poorly she play. It’s why WoSo is joke and WNT has become what it is, a endless sucking sound of players past their due date…Wambach, Rampone, Chalupny, Boxx,etc… The next group of suckers are in line lead by Lloyd,

          • guest

            the veterans have to be on every friendly game roster even against all the tomato cans. that way they get the game day bonus. and they also have to start and play all the minutes so that they can pad their stats against tomato cans. of the fourteen new players called in, six didn’t even get one minute of game time. not even against tomato cans. pretty hard to earn a uswnt contract if you can’t even get on the field at all. unless of course your name is sonnett, horan and pugh. then you are given a uswnt contract before even playing one game for the coach. to get a new contract, some veteran would have to get dropped to keep total uswnt contracts around 25. and vets don’t get dropped mid-season. that six figure guaranteed annual salary is a significant barrier to entry as well as anti-competitive.

          • guest

            meant six figure annual guaranteed total compensation package.

          • rkmid71

            I’ve been trying to find out who all the members of the USWNTPA are. I’m assuming it’s every player on the latest roster and every allocated player or player with a contract. And maybe former WNT palyers or alumni? The men’s players association has a website. Can’t seem to find one for the women. I’d like to see who’s voting, who the officers are, etc. For me, any new CBA has to fix or at a minimum significantly reduce the anti-competitive problem.If the current union members refuse to negotiate that, then let them strike.

          • Lorehead

            It’s listed in the USSF initial filing in their lawsuit. The members are essentially all the women in the USWNT player pool (excluding floaters with four or fewer caps). At the time of their lawsuit, there were 29 members. The President was Christie Rampone, the Vice-President was Abby Wambach and the Treasurer was Shannon Boxx.

          • rkmid71

            Thanks. I assume the members change as the players under contract change. So the 29 at time of filing has changed. And presumably new officers have been elected (or at a minimum Wambach and Boxx given their retirement and no longer working for USWNT).

          • mockmook

            Wasn’t there something in there about former players as well?

        • Yolo

          She will be back by then or they will start Dunn or Press. It wont even matter.

  • Jersey Shore Rises

    Probably the best news one could ask for as many thought she would be lost for 2-3 months with a MCL tear. I see Steph Currie from the warriors also has a Grade 1 sprain of the MCL and they have him listed as out for 2 weeks. My guess they play it safe with Carli and she probably does not even play in the Japan Friendlies which take place in 6 weeks while the Warriors will do all the can to have Steph back in 2 weeks with the NBA title on the line.

    • Gary Diver

      Little point: The Japanese games are in 5 1/2 weeks.

      • HOFCToDi

        Japan Women’s National Football Team is not competing in the 2016 Summer Olympic Games.

        • mockmook

          Also, the sky is blue. Water is wet.

          What was your point?

          • HOFCToDi

            Aside from the bubble players, the international women’s friendlies against Japan are meaningless for Carli Lloyd.

          • Gary Diver

            In addition to the fate of the bubble players, these games against top competition are important for Ellis to get the team playing like a championship team. Timing, combination play, passing skills, and team communications all take time to smooth out and after the Japanese games there will only be two game in July before OG. Ellis really doesn’t have a lot of time to get everybody firing on all cylinders.

          • HOFCToDi

            The final tune-up will be the two international women’s friendlies in July not June.

          • Gary Diver

            I know it has been a long day, but isn’t what you said the same thing as what I said?

          • HOFCToDi

            Nope!

            The two international women’s friendlies against Japan are more important to determine the final roster than any fine tuning.

          • Gary Diver

            O.K., I see your point though Ellis will want to see some fine-tuning in Japanese, especially in the midfield and defender communications.

          • HOFCToDi

            Japan may pull the same stunt as Costa Rica during the Victory Tour, send the U-20 team.

          • Gary Diver

            If you go to Wikipedia and look at the Japanese NT, they are a very old team. And that is odd since they have called up a lot of players in the past two years. Maybe it is time for them to rebuild. It will be interesting to see who they send over and it may be the swan song for Norio Sasaki (if he comes over).

          • mockmook

            Isn’t Sasaki already out?

          • Gary Diver

            I don’t know. Wikipedia has him gone, but a few days ago somebody said Sasaki is staying on until a replace is found.

          • Guest

            So if the USWNT were to play England in the run up to OG, it would be meaningless since they won’t be in OG?

          • HOFCToDi

            Focus on the topic discussed.

          • Guest

            Why would a game 2 months prior to the OG against quality opposition be meaningless?

          • HOFCToDi

            Asked and answered.

          • Guest

            Your statement makes no sense

          • Guest

            HAHA

      • mockmook

        Please tell me you didn’t ‘correct’ “6 weeks” with “5 1/2”.

        • Gary Diver

          It was a bit anal and uncalled for. I apologize and am sorry for being petty.

          • mockmook

            I apologize for eliciting an apology — that wasn’t my intent.

          • Gary Diver

            We’re good – just keep blogging away:)

          • Did you guys just become best friends?

          • Gary Diver

            All of us who care about WoSo are community. That includes most bloggers on this site except for a couple that I can think of.

          • mockmook

            Let’s just say it won’t be forever 🙂

          • kernel_thai

            OK, the official discussion of the apology has eclipsed actual comments on the Lloyd injury impacting the Dash. Congratz!

          • Jersey Shore Rises

            Not surprised, have handful here in these threads that will attack anything about Carli no matter the subject or facts.

    • rkmid71

      Agree, though I disagree about Japan friendlies. She will ease back in practice after 2-3 wks and be ready for Japan. May not go 90 right away. I’ve known players that have come back from an MCL sprain in <2wks — with no brace though it was recommended. Obviously, case by case depending on severity, but in situation I'm familiar with Dr. said it was more about pain tolerance than anything. What hurts the most is sprinting with sharp change of direction or if you get hit on the same exact spot. I suspect if it was a player on the bubble, they would come back much sooner.

  • ZIKAZINHO

    Unnecessary drama

    • Lorehead

      Yes, her injuring her knee was so unnecessary.

      • mockmook

        To be fair, I think ZIKAZINHO may be referring to fan angst.

        And, he may be right. Both the USWNT and the Dash may play better without Lloyd in the line-up.

        • Lorehead

          That makes more sense. It will be nice to see the USWNT play Japan without her. She’s kind of a dinosaur at this point. But she’s definitely better than her backup for the Dash.

          • AlexH

            The games against Japan will go a long way toward determining Lloyd’s position after the OG. There is little chance that Jill will move away from Lloyd for the OG if she recovers, but I can see Jill having one of those “tough conversations” with her afterward should the WNT cruise without her.

          • Lorehead

            I don’t think there’s much doubt whether a healthy Carli Lloyd will be on the plane, but there might be about how much she sits on the bench.

          • AlexH

            Maybe Carli sits a few minutes in the group stage but no way in hell does JE sit her in the knockout stages. JE is on top of the world right now and the only way she falls from her peak is if the USA lose while leaving the single most clutch player in the history of the program on the bench. Never gonna happen.

          • rkmid71

            That’s why there’s no way that Lloyd will not play versus Japan. Because the odds are very good that the WNT cruises and plays much more effectively / efficiently without her. My personal opinion is that there is a role for her and some games she might be go to option because of the matchup, but not as a 90 minute player every game. If she accepts and realizes that and is constructive and accepts that new role, she can play for awhile longer. If not, I don’t think she will last much longer.

          • AlexH

            So your saying that Jill makes her lineup based upon what is best for Carli? I thought that Abby was the sinister mastermind pulling the strings. Carli must have been taking good notes while watching Game of Thrones to take over so quickly.

          • rkmid71

            I think it’s more that JE is giving Lloyd enormous scope (given the generally poor performance and unlike other players) to try become an effective AM or forward in the run of play. She’s had a few decent games, but I’m not seeing it yet despite months of playing the position post WC. Also, it’s still stuck in my head her post WC performance for Houston last year 56 shots in a lot of minutes in 12 games, 4 goals, 15 SOG, 0 assists. Just very low efficiency in pretty big sample size. I’m not much for conspiracy theories, but one has to wonder. JE provided Wambach similar scope in the lead up and through the first few games of the WC — it was only as a last resort she was benched.

          • Guest

            I don’t think Lloyd is an awful player but I think the front six for the dash of:

            Beckie—–Daly——-Ohai
            —–Andressa—Brian—–
            ————Brooks———

            is at least as good if not better than any other lineup with Lloyd in it. My vote would be for the Dash to trade her for a CB and first round pick after the season concludes unless there are essential marketing reason to keep her there.

          • mockmook

            Why not trade her now (or once she recovers).

            Every day you wait is a day closer to another more serious injury or the Lloyd “aura” dimming.

        • Q+A

          Do you see Lloyd playing in WC2019 at age 37-38?

      • ZIKAZINHO

        According to orthopedic books , the drama is unnecessary

        • Lorehead

          Okay. I misunderstood you.

  • NYRick

    BTW, has anyone read any of Carli’s tweets? My goodness, she really is believing her own BS as to her being the new Wonder Woman. Show an ounce of humility once in awhile. Message to Carli: you many have gotten off a bit lucky here with this injury, but you are fool to push it too fast. MCL sprain are very often given a misdiagnosis, and usually there is some type of micro tear. I’m sure Carli (with her godlike trainer) will be running full sprints in a week or so, because, she’s well, umm Carli. And she absolutely has to get back to the NT asap.

    And my viewpoint has nothing to do with Press moving into her role BTW, which won’t happen anyway. Lloyd could be out, Morgan out, Dunn out, Horan out, Pugh out etc., and Ellis will just play someone like HAO at forward or promote a newbie from the NWSL to start at forward.

    • Lorehead

      Christen Press played the last time Alex Morgan was out.

      • HOFCToDi

        Jill Ellis screwed up a productive starting XI in the second Colombian match.

        • rkmid71

          Agree with this. It was like she caught lightning in a bottle in that first Colombia match. And then proceeded to ignore it. I would have started and rewarded Long-Mewis (and brought Horan in as sub instead of start) to see if they could repeat what they did in first match and I would have stayed with O’Hara as starter(and brought Press in again as sub instead of start). See if that unit could repeat the way they played the first match — some of the most cohesive, exciting soccer I’ve seen from the WNT. It definitely petered out in the 2nd match.

    • GueZT

      You got a chance of hell freezing over before HAO gets a minute under Jill. She was DNP last friendly. She used like 6 subs.

    • Gary Diver

      Carli Lloyd is nearly 34 years old. In any strenuous sport that is not a young age. Part of the problem is that for years Lloyd played in the shadow of Abby Wambach and after the WC Lloyd has felt that it was her time to shine on the national team. But Mother Time takes no prisoners.

      • guest

        if abby wambach get’s to do four cycles then so can i. that will be lloyd’s response.

      • Jersey Shore Rises

        I know Gary, just look at Steph Curry in the NBA getting the same injury and how OLD he is…. LOL

    • Guest

      What is more likely to happen is Ellis switching to a 4-3-3 formation and playing one of Mewis or Long with Brian and Horan.

    • guest

      So salty, Rick.

      • mockmook

        I’d go with “bitter” 🙂

        • HOFCToDi

          I’d go with alternate. CP12 has experience in that regard.

    • Paul Klee

      RAPINOE was much the same way Carli believes in herself, she just using the power of positive thinking, of which there is much to be said for.

      • Guest

        Rapinoe has been pretty realistic in that it is going to take a herculean effort and a lot of good fortune for her to make the Olympic roster let alone regain her starting spot by then.

        • htm222

          I just find it funny that Rapinoe is being used in all the Team USA promo stuff.

          • Guest

            Until she is officially ruled out it’s worth using Rapinoe for promotion. She is one of the most recognizable USWNT players.

        • guest

          if rapinoe doesn’t play in at least the last friendly game prior to the olympics, there should be no way she is on the olympic roster.

        • Jersey Shore Rises

          I still remember making a comment after the Rapinoe ACL tear that I felt it was very doubtful she would make the RIO16 roster and so many here attacked me for those comments.

          ACL tears always take longer then the estimated time for rehab as I have found out numerous times with other female athletes especially those in the WNBA.

        • Paul Klee

          Rapinoe’s injury is normally a year, 9 months is pushing recovery time to the limit. Carli will have 2 months after her 6 weeks before the OG to get ready, quite a different thing.

    • Jersey Shore Rises

      I know Rick, her official statement from the Houston Dash shows no humility at all..

      “I would like to thank everyone for their well wishes. Obviously, I’m very disappointed with the injury. I was feeling great and starting to get comfortable with my Dash teammates. The timing is not great but I’m confident that I will come back in peak condition. Rehab starts tomorrow and you’ll see me on the field soon.”

      Rick, I use to think we could joke back and forth being from Jersey and you from NY, but of late you are just a Dick when it comes to Carli… Grow up and show some class as if Press was injured you would never see me make a comment like that but instead hope the best for her….

      • HOFCToDi

        At the age of 34, Henrik Lundqvist needs to retire. Henrik Lundqvist thoroughly embarrassed himself during the 2016 Stanley Cup Playoffs.

        • Jersey Shore Rises

          Do not rock my boat, I am having a blast here reading all the Carli trolls imply she should retire…. LOL

          • HOFCToDi

            Don’t you worry. By the time the knockout stage commences at the 2016 Summer Olympic Games, CP12’s arse will be firmly stapled to the bench, as was the case during the semifinals and final of 2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup.

          • Jersey Shore Rises

            I’m looking foward to reading all the posts from the same Carli trolls during RIO2016 as the USWNT dominate to win the Gold Medal…. Will be a blast…

          • HOFCToDi

            Remember, it’s never Christen Press. Not once has Christen Press even been named Budweiser Woman of the Match in calendar year 2016.

            Under the captaincy of Christen Press, the Chicago Red Stars have been in shambles during the 2016 NWSL Season.

          • Press for Success

            All two games! Only 20 left.

          • mockmook

            A win and a loss is “in shambles”?

            And, I’m sure it was Press’ poor defense that led to the Dash beat down, right?

          • HOFCToDi

            U.S. Soccer Female Athlete of the Year

            en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Soccer_Athlete_of_the_Year

            It’s never Christen Press. Oh look, Carli Lloyd 2008, 2015.

          • Keeping it Real

            Enjoy Rio, because after the victory tour, Lloyd retires at age 34. That’s about the age when Hamm retired.

          • mockmook

            Just a little while back, you were saying Press won’t even go to Rio. Pretty soon you’ll have her starting.

          • HOFCToDi

            Alternate

        • Andrew Alberico

          The Rangers defense did not do the goalie any favors. Whether soccer or hockey the defense has to help the goalie.

      • NYRick

        I of course don’t want to see any player hurt and never said I wanted to see her hurt. She is determined and a hard worker and I’m sure she’ll be playing again sooner than later. What I was referring to more was the fact that she will rush it and overdo it with her crazy trainer and regime to get back for the Olympics (essentially what should be her last hurrah, but you never know in this program).

        I did say however at some point that the only way players like Wambach, Carli and Hope would ever leave the NT scene is by major injury. No other way. They will never be forced out. Wambach eventually realized she was embarrassing herself but it came at the expense of program development in ways not foreseen yet. Carli merely carries her torch now.

        Reality correctly said above in this thread somewhere that Carli needs the NT more than the NT needs Carli. And that I believe to be very true. But don’t you worry. We can still have friendly banter back and forth as Carli certainly will play a prominent role at the OG.

  • Nicole C.

    Any updates on Kat Williamson and Fishy?

    • Lorehead

      Last announcement about Kat was that they didn’t know yet.

      • They’re just updating us to tell us there is no update. Ok then.

        • Lorehead

          So now we know to stop asking?

  • Ashley C

    Thankful it’s only a sprain but she will really have to be careful when she comes back. Definitely a higher chance of re injuring or even worse.

  • htm222

    lol… that pic of carli. I thought that was a pissed off mia hamm or one of the 99ers. She doesn’t look bad (I think she is an attractive person), just … mature. I think her insecurities are starting to show though.

    • Gary Diver

      That picture does not look like Carli Lloyd to me.

      • Don B.

        It looks as much like her as some of the recently photoshopped US Soccer promo materials.

      • dw

        I’m thinking the same thing. Are we sure it’s her?

        • Gary Diver

          That is one strange picture. Just look at that vein that is almost popping out of her neck.

          • dw

            Is it possible that she’s had plastic surgery since the victory tour?

  • Gary Diver

    Athletic woes of growing old (aging women athletes face more problems than aging men athletes).

    Here are some issues that women athlete have to deal with when they are getting older from “Sports Injuries and the Aging Athlete” by Dr. John E. Morley

    1. Statistically, older athletes are much more likely to injure themselves than younger athletes who are doing the same sport.

    2. Age brings a decrease in maximum heart rate and an overall decline in maximum cardiac output, or the amount of blood the heart can pump, both of which limit athletic performance.

    3. Aging leads to a decrease in overall lung capacity and a decline in the ability of the lungs to move oxygen from the air into the bloodstream. This means less overall strength and endurance.

    4. As we age, we lose both muscle strength and muscle mass. Decline in muscle mass is known as sarcopenia (from the Greek for “loss of flesh”). Most of the muscle lost from sarcopenia is what is known as Type IIa, or “fast-twitch,” muscle fibers. Human muscles are classified as either Type I or Type II. Type I muscles are slow to contract and contribute to physical endurance; Type II muscles are faster to contract and are associated with strength and power. As we age, even though we can fight the loss of muscle mass with exercise, we will still be losing these Type II fibers at the same rate. What happens is that instead of developing new muscle fibers from exercise, as we did when we were younger, the remaining fibers merely increase in bulk. In addition, with age we also lose some of our ability to control the firing, or activation, of our muscles. This leads to loss of coordination and strength.

    5. With aging there is a marked decline in blood flow to the brain, which is associated with a decrease in reaction time.

    6. Loss of bone is an unavoidable fact of aging. This is a particular worry for women, who tend to have less skeletal mass than men and who also lose bone more quickly.

    7. Aging also brings a marked decrease in flexibility. This is caused mainly by changes in the body’s connective tissue.

    http://www.thedoctorwillseeyounow.com/content/aging/art2075.html

    P.S. Growing old is not for sissies. – Bette Davis, paraphrased

    • Jersey Shore Rises

      I know, Steph Curry is so old in the NBA yet low and behold he has the same Grade 1 sprain of the MCL…..

    • Doubts

      These points are about geriatric patients not world class players like Lloyd. And then there is Rampone.

      • Gary Diver

        Good point, but loss of bone and muscle mass occurs to all athletes after 30 years old. Even Lance Armstrong’s body was in decline after he reached thirty. Mother Nature plays no favorites.

        • AlexH

          Of course all players are unique. Whatever the case is with Carli the magnitude of her decline can be very easily be measured. There is a reason that they have beep tests and the like. I’m pretty sure that Jill knows exactly where her team captain stands.

          HAO is over 30 as well and broke the beep test record so I don’t think 30 is the hard and fast number that signals the beginning of peak heart rate decline.

          • rkmid71

            The best marathoners are often older. My understanding is that beep measures mainly endurance. I would bet Rampone is still one of the better performers on the beep test. Doesn’t mean they don’t get injured more often and aren’t as quick, agile, explosive, etc. I’m sure they have tests for those things as well. Older players typically have to resort to their guile, experience, etc to compete as they age — to me Tim Duncan is the prototype for how an aging player can stay relevant and important.

          • AlexH

            Funny you should mention that. Yesterday I dropped my daughter off at practice early and joined in a quick pickup game between the coaches and the players who came early. Unfortunately for me everybody was enjoying themselves so much that the head coach decided to continue the scrimmage for the entire 90 minute session. At the end the girls were happy as can be while the assistant coaches and sundry roped in parents wanted to murder the head coach.

  • john eric

    Lloyd should not rush comeback!

    At almost 34, Lloyd ‘s career has come full circle. Last World Cup celebrated the pinnacle of her success as the most influential player in big games; three Olympics and World cup.But her post World cup play has been nothing close to her past performances. She could use this time to heal properly and decide if she can still play at a high level.Better to retire on top than hurry up a gradual decay of soccer skills.

    • Jersey Shore Rises

      Gotta love these comments “Better to retire on top than hurry up a gradual decay of soccer skills.”..

      She would be the First, I repeat the first FIFA Women Player of the Year to retire after winning the award due to soccer skills decaying.

      LOL

      You cannot make this stuff up, this is what people post in these threads…

      • john eric

        No surprise to those who play and understand real football.

        • Jersey Shore Rises

          Name one other FIFA Women Player of the year or FIFA Ballon d’Or that has retired the following year after winning due to soccer skills decaying?

          • john eric

            Actual performance on the field burlesques hero worshipping.

          • Duh

            Kessler

          • JL

            She retired due to injury, not because her skills had diminished.

          • Jersey Shore Rises

            Kessler retired due to persistent knee injuries over her last 2-3 years of playing and not as I stated, soccer skills decaying.

          • SpiritFan00

            Lloyd was never that good, I think is #1Fan’s point. You clearly don’t agree, but you also clearly have never played the game at a high level. That said, appreciate soccer fans in all forms.

      • #1Fan

        if you don’t recognize that WoSo is a different animal. then you are lost. To think that she is anything other than the WC Final MVP is to do a disservice to other players. She had a great game, no doubt. But she is not the worlds best female player and never has been.

        • Gary Diver

          There has always been a “star culture” in America. We see that not only in sports, but in Hollywood and the music industry. And the best actors are not necessarily the biggest stars.

          Americans love winners. Look at the Olympics. If you win gold, you become immortal; if you win silver, you become forgotten. Also, there is a tendency to only hold one superstar in the public’s mind at a time. There are a lot of great young actress, but Jennifer Lawrence is currently first among equals.

          In USWNT Universe we have always had one first among equals: Michelle Akers, Mia Hamm, Abby Wambach, and now Alex Morgan. Hope Solo, being a goalie, is not really competing with the team’s superstars. USWNT is currently searching for its next star celebrity to succeed Morgan. It is almost like a monarchy: only one person person can sit on the throne at a time.

          Carli Lloyd was never and never will be USWNT’s star celebrity. She played for years under the shadow of Abby Wambach and it is too late for her, even if her play justified it, to become Wambach’s successor as star celebrity. That honor has been passed on to Alex Morgan. I suspect Lloyd realizes the train has left the station for her, but it still hurts her ego that she is not the one on it.

  • Lord Otter-Blotter

    I think she can really use the rest, after playing so frequently lately. And it will be, in a way, a load off Randy Waldrum’s mind to not have to decide which of his talented attacking mids to leave out of the starting lineup. Though I’m sure he’d prefer to have the option anyway. Hopefully attendance won’t be affected.

    • Jersey Shore Rises

      Have been a huge supporter of Coach Waldrum since he was at South Bend and could not agree more that Brian, Brooks and Andressa would be the midfielder star on many other NWSL teams……

  • sudeep das

    Blessing in disguise really. She needed that long rest – too many public appearances apart from the games. Now she will be back with a fresh mind as well, that will help in making better decisions on the field.

    • Jersey Shore Rises

      Funny, never remember people saying the same about Morgan, Press , or Rapinoe as all 3 make more then Carli from Endorsements and public appearances…….

      • Esk22

        How could you possibly know what Lloyd makes from that stuff?

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  • guest

    The question the uswnt players continue to refuse to want to answer publicly.
    because they want to keep their guaranteed annual salaries and benefits and also get the usmnt’s bonus structure. inequality at it’s finest.

    http://www.starsandstripesfc.com/2016/4/21/11481388/alejandro-bedoya-serious-question-carli-lloyd

    • CED

      It’s the level of dishonesty the USWNT has conducted themselves from the start. It correlates with their purposeful lies about 4x less pay, the lie that is still be repeated in articles this week they had 20 million in more revenue(only id 2.8 is 20 and done in 10 more games), etc..

    • Terry Lash

      As the article points out, the different structures for paying men and women on the national teams is a reflection of the different circumstances for the men’s and women’s professional teams. Until women have the opportunity to earn a high annual salary playing for professional teams, women players on the NT will have to receive a decent annual salary from US Soccer, or the USWNT will decline both in terms of performance and revenue generated for US Soccer. The current issue is relatively simple, should US Soccer compensate men and women on the NTs comparably? The issue should not be unnecessarily and inappropriately complicated by consideration of the different provisions of their respective CBAs for providing that similar level of compensation. Nor is the disparity between the salaries of NT members and non-members on NWSL clubs relevant to the basic issue. I would guess everyone, including NT players, want non-NT players on NWSL teams get much higher compensation, and that should happen as women’s professional soccer becomes more popular and revenue for teams increase.

      • mockmook

        So, the men’s compensation should be cut down to what the women get, right? Funny, that never seems to be an option for what the women want. Wonder why.

        BTW, wouldn’t it be nice if just one “reporter” wrote an article on this issue from a neutral perspective. The “news” business is a disgrace.

        • Terry Lash

          I agree about the news business. Unfortunately the basic problem extends way beyond this particular issue. Obviously, men would be angry if they had to play for the lower compensation currently paid to women.

      • AlexH

        I don’t see why it is the federations responsibility to correct for the fact that men have more lucrative club contracts when it comes to negotiating national team pay.

        • Terry Lash

          It’s not a legal responsibility to correct for the differences in pay between men’s and women’s clubs. Furthermore, there is no practical way to bridge the huge disparity in salaries between men’s and women’s club teams. That will happen only if women’s clubs become vastly more popular. However, US Soccer has chosen to structure the CBAs for men and women on the NTs differently for the practical reason that that is a good way to insure the best women soccer players are available for the WNT. If they don’t get good compensation from US Soccer, they will have practical, economic incentives to leave soccer, because they cannot make a good living playing soccer for professional teams at this time.

          • CED

            Incorrect, The WNT chose to structure the CBA as a salary. If you go back in history to the 1st CBA the WNT were actually per game players just like the MNT. They pushed for a salary based deal in the 2nd CBA and got it.

            Actually, there is this thing called Europe WoSO leagues where they could play. So, no it’s not the USSF obligation to give them a salary. Playing for your national team should not be you primary job/income. This notion has lead to the big heads and entitlement rampant in the WNT delusions on the pay issue.

          • Terry Lash

            Sorry, but I did not say US Soccer had an obligation to pay women players a salary. Who initially proposed the salary structure is not critical. US Soccer sensibly agreed to pay women players a salary and to take a different approach for the men. These differences have to be understood in the context of the huge differences in compensation at the club level. Yes, women players on the NT could play for the few teams in Europe paying decent salaries, but that is not in the best interest of US Soccer and the WNT. First, there is a benefit to US Soccer to have players more readily available in the US, and second the club teams in Europe are very lopsided with only a couple of elite teams in each league, diminishing the value of club soccer there for improving players’ competency. But, we probably just agree to disagree on the women’s right to comparable compensation with men. The issue is being argued by lawyers and fought in public at a high level. You apparently hope it will be resolved one way, and I hope the women will win the argument legally and in public opinion. hopefully we will see an agreement between the women players and US Soccer before the end of the year.

          • rkmid71

            But you did state that “US Soccer chose to structure the CBAs for men and women on the NTs differently for the practical reason that that is a good way to insure the best women soccer players are available for the WNT.” You should have qualified if you didn’t know. The WNT seemed to do ok when there wasn’t a salary structure. Perhaps 15 years ago, the USSF was persuaded the structure was workable and it made sense for both parties at the time. I think that is no longer true today. The USSF should provide significant incentives and $ for players called up and bonuses for being part of significant victories, etc. The entire potential player pool will be energized, the competition will be fierce for spots, NWSL will be stronger, etc. Coaches should be relatively free to call in the most in form players at any time to create the strongest team. Competition is what sharpens the axe.

          • CED

            Actually who proposed it is very critical. As is the fact they WNT chose guaranteed salary/benefits over pay per game. They demanded security over the pay per game structure where at any moment a MNT can never be called up again ever or not again that year. WNT whether you play or not, get called up you get paid…Ir…Rampone currently…she’s essentially getting 128K for playing nWSL b/c she’s not getting called into the WNT except for 1 game cameo is she retires.

            THE ENTIRE EOCC IS BOGUS! There is actually a very good chance it’s dismissed outright. You do know it;s been almost a month and EEOC has not provided the details of the complaint to USSF. WHY? It’s simple they think it might get dismissed outright b/c it only takes common sense to realize the premise is bogus. on several fronts such as comparing salaried employee with benefits to a per diem. That would be like saying a salaried nurse at a hospital and the per diem nurse must be paid the same. Also, on the front that they are not in the same workplace or ding the same job. The play in different leagues, different competition etc… That woud be like saying Boeing in Washington has to pay Boeing employees in SC the same though they are in different places/workplace and negotiated different contracts by their own free will. It would also be like saying the Houston MLS team and NWSL team players must be pad the same. They have the same employer. That would be foolish and is just as foolish as the WNT premise in this case. The simple fact is they and their lawyer no it;s bogus, his comments prove it, as well as their silly answers and lack of answers. They filed this case b/c they know they are losing the CBA/MOU case, which was a laughable legal argument if you read all the filings by their lawyers. They got murdered in discovery and thus filed the EEOC case b/c they banked n a willfully ignorant media to regurgitate their lies and be ra ra equal pay without knowing the facts. You have lived up to their low expectations as they have preyed on your ignorance and emotions of the PC crowd for PC sake.

          • FlyingSquirrel42

            I think again it comes down to a philosophical issue of what USSF’s purpose really is. If they’re simply the financial managers of the NTs, then they’re less obligated to go out of their way to make soccer a sustainable career path for their best players, and maybe they’d still be able to field a top-quality USWNT by urging the players to rely on club salaries in other countries where the pay is higher than in the NWSL. If their mission is to grow and promote soccer in the United States, then the USWNT does play an outsize role in that, as does helping to subsidize their players’ participation in the NWSL.

            One could, I suppose, ask why they don’t do that with USMNT players and the MLS, insofar as attendance and popularity might have been helped if somebody like Tim Howard had stayed in the U.S. for his whole career and been paid a subsidized salary through the USSF. And that’s a sensible question that I can’t necessarily answer. OTOH, an initiative like that still wouldn’t elevate MLS to the top tier of men’s leagues worldwide, so some of them would probably still go overseas just because it’s more prestigious and more of a challenge.

          • Terry Lash

            You raise good points on a broad scale about US Soccer and its role, which inevitably is not static at the implementation level. US Soccer, as the FIFA recognized soccer governing body in the US, has a broad role, but how to implement (mostly fund) that role evolves to deal with the changes in the US concerning soccer. Your points deserve extended discussion and input. In that regard, I wish US Soccer were not so insular when it comes to the input of thoughtful fans such as yourself and others who participate on this site.

          • Didn’t the men used to receive a salary from USSF before MLS was formed? I guarantee men in MLS didn’t start out earning 7,000/year salary for playing club soccer.

          • Lorehead

            I think, actually, they were pretty much amateurs or played indoor soccer from the time NASL folded to when MLS began. (And USSF did not formally pay MLS salaries, although they financially are joined at the hip.) But don’t quote me on that.

      • Lorehead

        The people pretending the USWNT get such a great deal compared to the men are delusional. Or, at the very least, they’d acknowledge that the women are getting compensated for playing a lot more friendlies and all their league play in the NWSL.

        US Soccer did just claim, though, that the pay gap is only 2%. I’m pretty skeptical of their accounting. (For one thing, why only count the top 25 players? There’s been a lot more rotation on the men’s side.) However, if that’s true, it does make one wonder why US Soccer thought that amount of money was worth such a damaging public fight.

        • Guest

          I think the pay is including WC and Olympic bonuses they women received for winning those tournaments. I wonder what the comparable men’s bonuses would be had they won any of the major tournaments. The women’s bonuses are mostly funded by their tour and they would earn quite a bit less had they not finish first in the last two tournaments.

          • Lorehead

            The Olympics aren’t comparable on the men’s side, but the Confed Cup might be the closest equivalent to second-biggest-tournament. For the World Cup, the bonuses men would get for the same finishes are many times higher. The New York Times came out with a good article last week.

            The women’s argument is, essentially, that they have to win everything just to keep up with what the men get just for showing up.

        • kernel_thai

          The annoying thing about this approach is they seem to want to compare what Jane Doe makes to what John Doe makes. So to them if Jane has two part time jobs and works 65 hours a week to make $20K per year and John has a full time job for 40 hours per week and makes the same $20K then they r equally paid.

          • Lorehead

            Yes. Maybe it’s clearer if we compare Tobin Heath to Diego Chara, who also plays for Merrit Paulson’s club and the US national team. Their total compensation is structured a bit differently: Chara’s first job is for his club, and Heath’s first job is for the national team.

            But would Chara really take her contract? No way: he’d need to win the World Cup to even get close to what he makes now for club and country. As it is, he gets at least $76K if he makes the World Cup roster, just for showing up, which is about the same as Heath’s base pay. And he makes many times what she does from Paulson. The Thorns’ revenues are probably around ten times their payroll. Would Chara trade that for Heath’s benefits? No: many of them are worse, and he already has health insurance.

            Is all of that US Soccer’s fault? No. They are trying to start a women’s league and help it grow. They are giving the players raises as it does start to catch on. But resenting the women or thinking they’re overpaid is irrational. Even USSF doesn’t make the claims CED is making; their response to the unequal per-diems, for instance, is that that was a mistake that won’t happen again.

  • Reality

    I would say that this injury marks the beginning of the end of Lloyd’s career. She reached a pinnacle at WC2015, but she is 34 years old now and despite her indomitable will, the body inevitably becomes weak. She should not be starting for 90″ in every game. It will not only wear her down further and expose her to greater injury, but her constant presence on the pitch adversely affects the transition of the NT to a more multi-dimensional and youthful team. This injury will give Ellis the needed excuse to bench Lloyd for the Japan matches and allow the NT to function without her. This will be beneficial for the team in both the short and long run. Lloyd needs the NT more than the NT needs Lloyd.

    • skybolt

      Unfortunately Father Time catches up with all of us. Let’s not forget that at the age of 32/33 Abby Wambach was still dominant. Once the body reaches its limits, the drop off in quality of play comes quickly. That being said, if Lloyd is healthy for the Olympics, she’d be great coming off the bench with a chip on her shoulder to prove her doubters wrong.

      • Guest

        Alex Morgan played a significant role in Abby’s resurgence with an absurd number of assists in 2012. Wambach’s mobility and effectiveness as a lone striker was over before 2011 or right after it.

        • skybolt

          True, but she was still automatic in front of goal. Fast-forward to 2014/2015 and she couldn’t even get to the box to get her head on the ball. Even when she got there she missed her shots. It was a big drop off from 2012.

      • Reality

        That sounds like a beneficial scenario for both Lloyd and the NT.

        • NYRick

          You know Lloyd will never go for that. Neither will Ellis who owes her for life as you know. If Lloyd can so much as walk, she is playing 90 in every OG match, all the lead up matches and 95% of the VT. You can put that in stone.

          • Terry Lash

            I would agree with you except that the injury could change this situation. Ellis very well could consider Lloyd’s longer term health and therefore use her more sparingly in order for her to be healthy for the future. Really depends on how well Lloyd recovers from this injury.

          • NYRick

            You saw what they did with Morgan at last year’s WC. She was 80% at best and played all the key minutes and practically the whole game in every match after the third game. They will do the same with Lloyd. There will be no fitness yard stick for her. She and her trainer will declare her fit and better than ever probably by the end of May. She will not miss a minute of action to the conclusion of the OG. Count on it. She has Ellis fully convinced they can’t win without her.

      • NYRick

        I think what we all fail to realize is that really all of the NT players who make it into this program were in elite and stressful traveling team programs since the time they were little kids and then into the U programs. So that is wear and tear on the body since age 12 or so, maybe even younger for many of them. They were all special early on like most great athletes and either pushed by parents or coaches to the next level.

        So by their early 30s, maybe even mid to late 20s that’s a lot of mileage on them. Least of which the travel and performing in high stress US camps even to make the roster (although once you are established this is not an issue) and the offseason diet and training regimes they all have to maintain. By age 34 that really begins to push it. I hope Alex doesn’t do this as well. She obviously will want to hang on as long as possible for the money, fame etc. and the NT would also give her a roster spot. I know that’s still way down the road but I could easily see it happening. She saw the blueprint with Wambach, Rampone and now Lloyd, and has often called Lilly one of her idols. This program doesn’t need a Lilly anymore playing forever or any player building over 200 caps and even over 300 which is flat out ridiculous for a program with this type of talent always entering. It will be very interesting to see how Pugh progresses for the next few years. I’m sure she will be great and dominant, but I’m more talking about the wear and tear on her since she is now a starter on the NT at 17. By 21 she may be completely burnt out or her body (she does play a very fast and physical game for a small person) will break down early. Same for Dunn as well.

        • skybolt

          My gut tells me that both Morgan and Press will leave the NT after the 2020 Olympics. We’ll probably see both of them in the studios commentating during the 2023 WC.

          • NYRick

            I see Press leaving the team by age 29, maybe before. I think her last NT season will be 2017. Morgan I think will go for as long as she can, and 2020 is a strong possibility for her. There is a lot of money for her still to be made for another 3+ years. She’s not going to pass on that.

          • #1Fan

            I am amazed that you can forecast so far out. You believe that in 4 years there wont be better options? There better be.

          • skybolt

            I think it has more to do with Alex and Christen than anything else. Don’t get me wrong, if they’re still playing at top level and want to stay on with the NT, I certainly won’t be against it. I’m just basing it more on their personalities than their age after the 2020 Olympics. I see Morgan going hard for the next 4 years and then taking a couple years off to start a family. It’s just my opinion.

          • Steglitz49

            Alex likely will do like ARod but may not bother to rejoin the fray. Christen Annemarie not having a significant other as far as I know ought to be going full out after a career in TV for which she is eminently suited.

          • Esk22

            No kidding. The USA pumps out great forwards. Too many. So they get converted into wingers and fullbacks.

          • Lorehead

            In fact, Lindsay Horan is a forward converted to defensive mid and Hope Solo a forward converted to goalkeeper.

          • Press just said last week that she wants to play for 5 more years, if possible. So you’d be correct on 2020ish. I have little doubt Press will do tv of some kind, she already has done At the Buzzer for Fox and was really good on that.

        • kernel_thai

          I would tend to think the money continues to follow Morgan into retirement so I doubt she hangs on as long as some do. She is uber competitive and I cant see her staying around in a lesser role just for the paycheck.

        • CED

          The number of games a top WoSo players compared to top mens players is not even comparable. The WNT player play in a busy year low to mid 30’s combined in NWSL and WNT. A top mens international plays 38 league seaosn(EPL, La Liga, etc..), domestic cup, C-league, and then for their country(wcup quals, euro quals, or in south america copa america and they have the longest wcup quals and toughest b/c you must play every team twice and 6 of them are in the top 15 in the world). A top mens player plays 60+ competitive games a year. The way things are run know with all the off seasons tours, etc…they are lcuky to get like 6 weeks off.

        • #1Fan

          but so few games are high stress once you “make it”. So the players can stick around and coat tail it .

      • Gary Diver

        Christine Sinclair is nearly 33 years old and it seems to me that she has had an increasing number of injuries during the past two years.

        • NYRick

          Sinclair peaked at the OG semi v. the US. She has been on a progressive slide since then, regardless of the continual praise she gets. She will go down obviously as one of the greatest players in the sport’s history, but she really has been kind of average since around age 29/30.

          • Lorehead

            The 2012 Olympics were such a career highlight for Sinc that it’s hard to tell aging from regression toward the mean.

          • Guest

            Still the best attacking option for Canada though (though Beckie is rising quickly). Canada needs Sinclair more than USWNT needs Lloyd or Wambach

        • Cc W

          Yeah, that is the challenge for Carli and Sinc – their bodies have taken a lot of hits. Though, for both, the time off might do them some good. For Carli – given the breakneck pace she’s been on since the WC, a few weeks off might be good for her.
          It is one of the reasons why I doubt Carli will make the next WC – body will break down. I feel bad for Sinc – she is healthy one game and then out the next.

    • CED

      We can only hope. But, Ellis has proven to be a clueless and gutless. She only got the job as an appeaser to the old guard and dead weight that she kept for the Wcup.

      • Terry Lash

        A bit harsh, but I basically agree with the sentiment.

      • Gary Diver

        Lloyd’s obsession to play 90 minutes in every game is hard for me to understand. If she attempts to play in the Japanese games and Ellis does put her on the field, that will reflect very poorly on both Lloyd and Ellis.

        Assuming Lloyd does not play in the Japanese games, then it will be very interesting to see who Ellis puts on the field and where they are put. These games should be important to the bubble players and having somebody else in the middle up top should change how USWNT looks and plays. The Japanese could be exciting to watch.

        • AlexH

          I think that Jill should put the breaks on Lloyd if she is isn’t fit to play but I don’t mind Lloyd’s obsession with to play. Great players are often the type that want to play every minute of every game. It is part of what makes them great.

  • Gary Diver

    Carli Lloyd and Steph Curry: Comparative Study

    It is an amazing coincidence that Carli Lloyd and Steph Curry (both MVP players in their respective sports) have the same injury (Grade 1 strain of MCL) on their right knee that incurred within a day of each other last weekend. Though I assume this injury is common, I don’t remember hearing of it before last weekend.

    It will be interesting to compare the recoveries of the two athletes. Since Golden State is currently involved in playoffs, I presume that there will be more pressure on Curry to return to play as quickly as possible. I don’t know if women general take longer to recover than men for similar knee injuries, but Lloyds’ situation (age and Olympics in 3 months) would imply that it would be in everybody’s best interest if she took the maximum time to recover completely before returning to the playing field.

    “Women have more strain on their joints naturally than men do. Our hips, knees, and ankles are misaligned naturally because of our relatively wide hips. A lot of women are knock kneed to varying degrees, which strains the ligaments in the knee and ankles.” – htm222 (from “NWSL Week in Review: Knee Injuries Sad Reality of Life”)

    Both injuries occurred in the first halves of their games and neither were a result of a physical contact with another player.

    age:
    Carli Lloyd – 33 years old
    Steph Curry – 28 years old

    expected recovery time:
    Carli Lloyd: 3-6 weeks
    Steph Curry: at least 2 weeks

    • AlexH

      What is interesting to know about this injury is if “recovered” = “fully recovered”. It isn’t so important in Carli’s case because there is ample time for her to recover before the OG but in Curry’s case this is critical because once he starts playing it’s not like his MCL is going to get any better.

      • Gary Diver

        Very good point. And I wonder if the team doctors have some pressure put on them by the people who pay their salaries.

    • mockmook

      Not much comparison. Lloyd has no critical games to play, but Curry does.

      Also, I believe Curry could play while still somewhat “hurt” by wearing a knee brace.

      • Gary Diver

        I agree with your observation. Just that we have the same injury occurring on the same knee within a day of each other on athletes of (more or less) similar ages but with quite different predicted recovery times. As someone else pointed out “recovered” and “fully recovered” are not the same state of affairs. And I do wonder if there is pressure on the doctors to lean towards either minimum or maximum recovery time. It will be interesting to compare the timeline of the recoveries of the two athletes.

      • AlexH

        I hope they don’t do this, but given what’s at stake I wonder if other teams would intentionally try to contact Curry’s knee. BBall is a pretty close quarters game so it probably wouldn’t be too difficult to stage an “accident.”

        • rkmid71

          I seriously doubt if there would be any intent. But I have no doubt they would be very physical with him, and try to take advantage of the weakness. Happens in the NFL all the time.

          • Gary Diver

            There may be a gender difference with the degree to which an athlete goes after a wounded opponent. It does seem to happen often in the NFL.

          • rkmid71

            I’m skeptical about the gender point. I see less skilled women players get physical / foul / play dirty all the time in an attempt to compete with more skilled players. It grows out of frustration and win at all costs mentality no matter the method. It reminds me of Detroit Pistons “bad boys” teams. Is it intent to injure? Maybe not. But it’s complete disregard for your opponent player safety. And happens just as much with females as males. And I’ll add that Lloyd’s history is that she has always fouled far more than most players — just look at WC stats. So I suspect opponents aren’t inclined to be nice for some reason just because her knee isn’t 100%. Remember Wambach ended Daniela’s career (with a vicious, unnecessary midfield tackle after a kickoff in a WPS game in 2009). I believe Wambach was done when opponents started fighting back and she could no longer intimidate — that was long before she retired.

        • Gary Diver

          Hmm . . . . Great point!

          That brings up a very interesting issue in sports ethics. Take professional football. In important games when the quarterback has been shaken up you often see the defensive line deliberating attempting to add injury to injury to the quarterback. I have always wondered about the ethics of keying off on a wounded player.

    • Daosium

      Curry is also on the short list for the Olympics and will go if he can. If he messes himself up more he’ll miss probably his last chance at an Olympic gold medal.

      It’s funny how similar the cases are and the timing.

  • Gary Diver

    Injuries and NWSL

    How many serious injuries (more than two months out) have occurred in the first two games?

    Does NWSL keep injury records? Do we know how many serious injuries occurred during the first three years of league play?

    When a NWSL player gets injured, I assume that they still get paid. Is that true? Do teams have insurance to pay these players or does the money come out of general funds?

    • CED

      For Lloyd it doesn’t matter b/c USSF deal guarantees pay if injured. Full pay for injured players is the standard in soccer. There was a article a year back or so that listed the enormous sums some EPL clubs paid over 2 years to players unable to play. It was over 30million pounds by several. The only time pro athletes don’t get paid in general for injuries is if it’s off the field doing something stupid, like the NFL idiot who blew off his fingers with fireworks. Many times contracts are written with clauses of prohibited activities such as motorcycle riding, etc…If the player does them it voids their pay if injured. NWSL players get paid little anyway so they surely pay injured ones, not paying them if injured would solidify the NWSL as a Mickey Mouse League. I

      • Steglitz49

        The Premier League or, to be pedantic, the Barclays Premier League, which might be BPL, but not EPL, please.

        • AlexH

          Steg. On a completely unrelated note the Hillsburough jury ruled 7-2 that the victims were unlawfully killed. Do you have any idea what the real world repercussions are? Is anybody going to jail?

          • Gary Diver
          • Anson

            That’s something to be proud of!!! :/

          • Steglitz49

            Indeed.

            The so-called “Taylor Report” changed the way soccer matches were staged around the globe. Some of those recommendations had been in place at US stadia long before.

            Somewhere in his report, justice Taylor concluded that: “The main reason for the disaster was the failure of police control.” — As usual in these cases there was a cover-up and probably cover-ups of the cover-ups.

          • AlexH

            Did you ever see the 30 for 30 documentary on the topic? I normally don’t get worked up with TV but I had to take breaks from watching because it made me so sad and then so angry.

          • Steglitz49

            Thank you for asking. I remember it well. Too well. Would rather not.

            You have to look in the English papers. Try the Times, Daily Telegraph and Independent for starters but they may not be “open”.

        • STT

          Sorry Steg, English Premier League is a deeply established term on this side of the pond, it’s not going away.

          • Steglitz49

            ISA = Italian serie A; SLL = Spain’s La Liga; GBL = German BundesLiga; etc

            It will always be the FA Cup in spite of there being at least a Scottish FA Cup and the Champions League is what it is — not a league at least.

            Of course we use abbreviations like BM for Bayern Munich and, more rarely MU and MC, but we write out Milan and Inter, and as for Liverpool I have not the foggiest because LL could be mistaken for either their Ladies or Lysekil.

          • Samuel Charles

            Seriously?

            Liverpool = LFC

            MCFC, MUFC, CFC, THFC, WHFC, RMFC, FCB, Depor, Atleti, B04, BVB, HSV, VfB, Juve, SSCN, PSG, ASM, ASSE, etc…

          • Steglitz49

            YBBC, BRS, MCIC, TML, CFIC

            PSG, granted but Rangers is Rangers and celtic and never the twain shall meet except in the Old Firm and certainly not lie down like the lamb and the lion together.

            Bayer Leverkusen and PSV Eindhoven are proud of their full names and rightly so. The reason reveals a lot about soccer.

          • Samuel Charles

            People use PSV more often than PSV Eindhoven (in spite of the fact its the only team in the world that’s ever seen a USMNT play in the UCL semis), and i actually included Leverkusen’s short name above — B04.

            Every team is proud of its full name, but they all realize they are going to get shortened for all sorts of reasons. And you’ll notice the official accounts of the two you just mentioned use these shorthands all the time.

            https://twitter.com/PSV
            https://twitter.com/bayer04_en

          • Steglitz49

            PSV and Bayer Leverkusen are the only clubs that are allowed a company name in the club name even when they play outside of their own countries. (PSV stands for Philips sports club.)

            Clubs are allowed company names when they play inside their borders — like Red Bull Salzburg and NY Red Bulls — but when they play abroad as in the Champions League and Europa League, they can’t use it — except for PSV and Bayer.

            The reason for this is that the companies started the sports clubs for the benefit of their workers. (Jena could also start using the Zeiss in its name again for the same reason but so far they have not done so.)

          • Samuel Charles

            How is any of that relevant to this point?

          • Samuel Charles

            So you want to ignore the fact you were completely wrong about the the Scottish FA Cup, the Champions League, the acronyms in general, and then run off on some tangent that isn’t relevant to your points, or mine?

            Ok.

            I guess i’ll just leave this little fiefdom in your capable hands.

            (JK – aka just kidding – but i prob need some Bayer aspirin =.)

          • AlexH

            You aren’t big time unless you have a TLA (Three Letter Acronym)

          • Craigaroo

            Like Enron Field, where the Houston Astros play 🙂

        • Lorehead

          Is English Premier League a bad way to distinguish it from the other premier leagues out there, especially in a context where we’re talking about its entire history?

        • AlexH

          Until Barclays goes bankrupt or something then it becomes the Emirates Premier League or the InterBet Premier League or something. I’m getting to old to keep all of corporate crap current so I will settle for EPL.

          • Esk22

            I’m not calling it the BPL until Barclays pays me sponsorship money. EPL it is.

          • mockmook

            Except, you just did 🙂

          • FlyingSquirrel42

            I’m surprised it wasn’t briefly renamed the Star Wars Premier League last December.

  • Gary Diver

    Talking about Houston injuries, does anybody know when Cari Roccaro is expected to start playing for them? What is the scuttlebutt about her potential?

    • Jersey Shore Rises

      Coach Waldrum said during the draft that there was a good chance Cari would not play this season but she was too good to overlook.

    • kernel_thai

      Rumor out of Houston is Roccaro is almost ready which of course means nothing. I would guess a couple things. If she was going to be out for 45 days or more they likely would have put her on the IR list to free up a spot. She also traveled with the team to Portland which tells me she is no longer rehabbing but practicing with the team.

      As to Horan and Roccaro, they were on two U20 teams together. As to Roccaro’s potential, I guess a lot of it depends on how much playing injured effected her last college season. Before that she was considered by many college draft people to be the top player in the draft and NT material. Of course it’s hard to predict her recovery from a hip injury

      • Gary Diver

        I just found out that Roccaro was on the famous 2012 U20 team that won the WC and was the captain of the 2014 U20 team.

        • kernel_thai

          Roccaro had a great WC in 2012 just coming out of high school. She was paired with Julie Johnston at CB for four of the six matches including all three knockout round matches. In the final they combined to silence the German attacking duo of Dzsenifer Maroszan and Lena Lotzen who had 7 goals and 7 assists between them going into the final. They eeked out 1-0 win scoring the only goal against the Germans in the entire tournament.

          • rkmid71

            Germany was in the same group as U.S. winning the group with 3-0 record, US was group runnerup going 1-1-1. Germany beat the US 3-0 in group stage. Maroszan won golden ball. And it was Ohai who scored in semis and finals. Little good that did her.

          • kernel_thai

            The loss of Horan seemed to really hurt the team. They had an awful time finding goals in the group stage. In fact in a very telling stat, Maya Hayes was the only one to score for the US in group play. The match against Germany in group wasnt as bad as the score looked but it still left the US, who had to have been one of the favorites going in, as the last team to make it out of group based on a tie breaker. Swanson seemed to rally the team around the defense in the knockout round and Crystal Dunn had an inspiring performance, assisting on two of the three match winning goals in the final three matches.

          • Gary Diver

            The 2012 U20 team will be remembered for a long time. Julie Johnston, Morgan Brian, Crystal Dunn, and Sam Mewis will all be on OG16 roster and should also be on WC19 roster with maybe Cari Roccaro.

      • Gary Diver

        Rachel Daley, Janine Beckie, and Cari Roccaro could be the best 2016 team draft selection.
        http://midfieldpress.com/2016/04/12/houston-dash-2016-preview-a-dash-of-optimism/

        P.S. Article says that Roccaro is expected to play next month.

    • Lunatica

      Her, Horan and Brian are all great friends since youth NTs. As to Roccaro she had great first part of her college career and not so great second one. I watched all possible Notre Dame games mostly because of her and it was visible that she stopped developing at some point (it was before the last season when she played with injury) Lack of speed was noticeable at 2014 U-20 WWC and in some college games. In most cases she was able to overcome it thanks to her great anticipation, but it would be tougher in pros. That’s why I was conflicted about Dash drafting her, but on the other hand she had her best years playing under Waldrum, so maybe he can help her get back to that 2012 form. But I disagree that she would be number 1 pick if not for that injury, because the drop in form happened at least season before

      • Gary Diver

        So the drop in form occurred before her injuries?

        Did you follow Morgan Andrews? (I think USWNT needs another Morgan in its ranks.) My understanding is that she went to Notre Dame to play under Waldrum and when he left to coach Houston she went into some kind of funk. Since then she has gone to USC and had a good year last year. Is your understanding different?

        • lunatica

          Yes, I think there is no coincidence that both struggled at ND when Waldrum left.

        • Steglitz49

          Do not put your faith in coaches lest they abandon your team.

      • Jersey Shore Rises

        He OP asked about injury status and not how she get’s a long with friends….

        • kernel_thai

          Roccaro is back in full training with the team and baring a set back will be available in May. At this point it seems to be about match fitness more than recovery.

        • mockmook

          “Who cares how she gets along with friends”

          Apparently, Gary Diver does.

      • kernel_thai

        Didnt not see much of Roccaro at ND but I was disappointed with what I saw at the U20 WC in Canada. The problem with using that as my metric is I was by and large disappointed with what I saw from everyone on the team including Horan, Pugh and Lavelle

  • Cc W

    I hope Caril heals up fast, but this is the challenge that lies ahead for Carli when she says she intends on playing in the 2019 WC. Just ask Christie Rampone. It may be a blessing in disguise for Carli and the USWNT. Carli can rest, and Jill can use a different lineup and can see some other options. Carli should play when she gets healthy, but I’d like to know we have options and plan for it if Carli or others get injured.

  • Jersey Shore Rises

    First, like I’ve stated, glad Carli just has a sprained MCL is out for 3-6 weeks but I’m having a hard time trying to find out the injury status for both Kling in Portland and Fishlock in Seattle. if anyone knows the beans please spill it…

    My guess is both teams keeping it tight for strategic reasons but please, Houston already spilled it for Carli and Kling plays on the same USWNT….

    • Lorehead

      Apparently Klingenberg and Betos are fine. Williamson, we still don’t know about.

      • Jersey Shore Rises

        Any update on Fishlock?

    • Gary Diver

      Do teams individually have to report injuries by a certain day? Does NWSL have a injury list report that is issued on a certain day of the week?

      Last summer Sofia Huerta of the Chicago Red Stars was injured but I couldn’t find any reports. And throughout the fall and into the spring there were periodic rumours that Danielle Colaprico was injured, yet I never heard exactly what her injuries were. It was treated as a state secret.

  • AlexH

    I don’t know much about physiology but I wonder if it is possible to design some sort of pre-brace for healthy knees that would prevent injury. There seems to be a lot of non contact knee injuries and perhaps some sort of bracing and/or wrapping could be effective.

    • Steglitz49

      It is a problem for teenage girls and older not boys or men. Why is an interesting question.

      Concussion, oth, has a great dark number among the boys and men. Remember the last men’s WC final where the ref, Rizzoli, realized that one German player was away with the fairies, and ordered that he be substituted.

    • Gary Diver

      I’ve noticed a lot of USWNT and NWSL players wearing tape on their legs. Do you know if it is for an injury or is it for preventive purposes? The first time I saw such tape was on beach volleyball players (maybe at OG12), but I have never heard anybody say what it actually does.

      • mockmook

        I believe you are referring to Kinesiology Tape.

        It seems to me, in many (most? all?) applications, it is a placebo — not a real preventative nor asset.

  • Gary Diver

    Michelle Akers suggests on Twitter that in her day she would have played with a Grade 1 strain of MCL.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/MichelleAkers10

    • AlexH

      And with concussions, chronic fatigue, amputations (tis only a flesh wound!) and who knows what else. Living proof that discretion isn’t always the better part of valor.

    • NYRick

      The only thing missing in that is the old Dana Carvey “Grumpy Old Man” character on SNL:

      “In my day we played with Grade 1 sprains of the MCL…and we liked it. We liked it just fine.”

      In my day the soccer balls were made out of a Rhinosaurus hide, and when you kicked it, it was just like kicking a bowling ball…and we liked it. We liked it just fine.”

      In my day every header we ever hit was first met with a head to head collusion inside the 6 yard line, then you would simutaneously hit the ball (which by the way was hard as a bowling ball)…and we liked it. We liked it just fine.

      In my day, a good 60% of every soccer pitch in America was covered with searing molten lava…and we liked it. We liked it just fine.”

  • Gary Diver

    What is the difference between out, doubtful, and questionable on the NWSL injury report? For example: for Houston, Carli Lloyd is out, while Cari Roccaro is questionable. It is my understanding that Roccaro hasn’t played for months and nobody has said they expect to see her play.

  • Gary Diver

    If Lloyd cannot play against Japan, what will the starting XI look like?