Rep: Scott’s NWSL allocation ‘expected’ to be withdrawn to complete Notts County move

Jeff Kassouf January 5, 2014 186

Desiree Scott has signed with Notts County of England's FAWSL. (Photo Copyright Canada Soccer)

On Thursday it was announced that Canadian midfielder Desiree Scott had signed with Notts County of England’s FAWSL. That seemed to take FC Kansas City and the NWSL by surprise, given that she was an allocated Canadian player in 2013.

Her name appeared on the 2014 NWSL allocation list that was released a day later, adding further confusion. Officially, FC Kansas City has no comment on the matter. Notts County’s official release said the signing was “subject to international clearance.” Reached Sunday, Scott’s agent, Chuck Vine, provided the following statement detailing a contract extension that was never signed by Scott, thus making her free to move to Notts, he says:

Desiree Scott has signed a contract with the Notts County Ladies FC of the FAWSL to play professionally in 2014. In regards to her NWSL Allocation, CSA specifically coach John Herdman’s decision to allocate her (we believe) was based on the assumption she was under contract with the NWSL. Desiree did not sign the contract extension presented to her on 8/9/13. However, the circumstances which her contract extension was presented by FCKC are being investigated by proper authorities. In addition, Desiree has consulted with Coach John Herdman (who per CSA has final say on NWSL matters) and he stated to her he will not prevent her from playing in the FAWSL. Based on her conversation with John,we both expect her allocation will be withdrawn as per her declaration to him of her desire to play in England. Her experience in Kansas City was pleasurable and she wishes the team well.

Desiree is considered a ‘World XI’ caliber player and should be afforded the same opportunities as other elite players from around the world. She like all other players have a very limited window to earn income as a professional athlete. There must be a distinction between national responsibility and financial responsibility without judgement or criticism. Desiree is fully committed to the Canadian Women’s National Team and looks forward to begin training for the upcoming game vs the USA.”

Canadian teammate Lauren Sesselmann’s future still hangs in the balance. Sesselmann played for FC Kansas City in 2013 as well. Vine also represents the Canadian defender and said Sesselmann did not sign the contract extension presented to her on August 9 and has not officially committed to the NWSL, although she is “fully committed” to playing for Canada.

“Lauren Sesselmann has not decided where she will be playing professionally in 2014. She currently has multiple opportunities in several professional leagues and will weigh her options after the upcoming camp/game vs the USA,” Vine said in an issued statement.

An NWSL spokesman did not immediately respond to a request for comment. FC Kansas City declined comment.

  • Guest

    I’m not surprised she didn’t sign a contract extension on 8/9/14 since it’s only January 2014.

    • Trini1920

      Just for record he said She Didn’t Sign The Contract on 8/9/13

      • treehill

        Is that August 9 or September 8? 🙂

        Off topic: The world needs to go to ISO format. 2013-08-09 or 2013/8/9 means August 9, 2013. So much better and really not hard.

  • Davis

    From what I can gather, it seems like this move was designed almost entirely to send a message to the CSA about the level of compensation their players receive. I have to wonder if the timing of the announcement was coincidental, or intentionally designed to bring as much attention and embarrassment to the CSA as possible. It’s unfortunate for KC that they’re getting caught in the middle of Scott’s issues with her federation. It’s not great for the CanWNT either, so Herdman can’t be pleased.

    • Sydonia

      All we need is Sinc to jump ship and the NWSL model blows up, yet the league itself will survive. If enough MLS teams sponsor a women’s side, then there will be no need for USSF or CSA involvement anymore.

      • Steglitz49

        Why on earth would Ms Sinclair move from Portland? Out of sight, out of mind. I doubt if her sponsorship contracts give her the luxury to play outside of north-America, that is in the NWSL.

        • Sydonia

          If Scott can vacate, why not Sinc?

          • Steglitz49

            I doubt that Ms Scott has the off-field income that Christine has. That income is generated by being visible in north-America, not in Europe.

          • Silver Frost

            If Scott is worried about more money, she should get a 9 to 5 job in Toronto. Few women play pro footie for the money.

          • Steglitz49

            I am not my Canadian sister’s keeper. Maybe she fancied a couple of years in Britain and seeing Europe? Who knows?

          • Silver Frost

            Scott can do what she pleases, but the facts indicate a pecuniary interest at work, not sightseeing.

          • guest

            Sometimes you sound like an ignorant buffoon.

          • Silver Frost

            Are you the same “guest” commenter below who wrote about Scott: “…still a shitty thing to leave her club or former club hanging like that.”?

          • guest

            Nope there are lotta ‘guests here’.BTW nothing wrong with her taking the money.

      • ChalkTalk

        From what I was told years ago was that Sinc wanted to go across the pond for her developmentally but had paperwork issues.
        Yes her $$$ sponsors would not want her to leave the markets she is being used in.
        I can not see her leaving for Europe on that basis alone.

    • rufan

      And I think the message from the CSA, “if you find a better deal, go for it, we will not stand in your way”.

      “Desiree has consulted with Coach John Herdman (who per CSA has final say
      on NWSL matters) and he stated to her he will not prevent her from
      playing in the FAWSL”
      I read this as John said “we are paying what we think we can. Congratulations and we are happy for you on the new job, Good luck. See you at the next national camp.”

      • Davis

        Did you hear Herdman’s radio interview the other day? He doesn’t sound happy about it. He apparently doesn’t think too highly of the FAWSL and doesn’t seem to want his players wasting their time there. He also said he wasn’t consulted about Scott’s move, and Scott’s timing of the announcement makes Herdman and the CSA look weak and incompetent.

        I read Herdman saying he won’t stand in the way as him saying, “I’m seriously unhappy about this, but you’re too good of a player for me to kick you off the team, so there won’t be any repercussions for you screwing us over.”

        • newsouth

          ha, this guys throws his players under the bus in interviews any chance he gets. he’s still on my “all mouth” coaching staff along with rizzo and cuellar in which all three suck. he just got lucky in the OGs because sinclair #2 forward in the world was on another planet, so she got him the extension. if he makes courtnall one of the top 2 RBs in the world then i’m listening. so far he can’t even get her in camp, cant get the other usa college studs which have duel citizenship. he’s real good at bring in 15-17 yr olds who the best teams in the world will murder.

        • rufan

          As I said that how I read Vine’s statement. Herdman of course may not be “happy” But what is he going to say to her as he plans to work with her on the national team?

    • ChalkTalk

      Yes might indeed have been done to send a message or she had no idea and decided at the last second since she was not sure. Who knows.

  • John

    People are underestimating the English league as most will find out with Kim Little who signed for the Seattle. They dont have the most watched mens league on the planet for no reason and over the last two years thier mens franchices have started taking womens soccer seriously and that in turn will make it the next big thing. Teams like Liverpool ,Manchester city, Chelsea and Arsenal ladies have access to facilities that no NWSL team can match especially Liverpool ladies as they are full time pros since last year.With four players per team earning more in excess of 20000 pounds($33,000) per season, this is peanuts to these English clubs . i am guessing she will be one of those four and that is more than she will get playing in as a CSF players. she will be missed but I say good for her

    • Davis

      I don’t think we are underestimating the English league. I don’t doubt what you say about the quality of the facilities, but the fact of the matter is that there are far fewer quality international players in the English league than there are in the Swedish, German, French, and American leagues. The caliber of player she will be playing with and against on a weekly basis is going to drop. From a developmental stand point, it doesn’t seem like a good move.

    • wosofan

      Kim Little is an exceptional talent. If I’m not mistaken, she was honored by the FAWSL as their top player, or top scorer. (She was also one of the top performers for Team GB at the Olympics). She’s hardly representative of the overall talent and depth of the FAWSL. Now, the FAWSL do have the resources there, for certain, and it may grow to become the top women’s league in the world, but they are not there quite yet.

      • Silver Frost

        How could they be tops, when they rarely hire foreigners?

        • Steglitz49

          There used to be a gentlemen’s agreement between the clubs not to hire players from outside the British Isles. This was to develop the domestic game. That smoke-filled agreement broke down when clubs owned by foreigners, to wit Liverpool and Chelsea, decided to spend a bit (after John Terry had saved Chelsea Ladies from extinction).

          Canadian players are probably good value for money. At least two play in Sweden for one of the middling teams.

    • ruby4

      I am assuming the money is enough to make her think it was worth it and I honestly think that’s fine. If the CSA is treating there women players like garbage scraps than more power to her for finding something better. It is however just a fact that the quality of play will drop substantially. The england women’s system just simply can’t compete with the vast youth development systems of places like Germany and the U.S with the NCAA. I wish her the best of luck.

      • Steglitz49

        Don’t disdain the wealth of the FA and British clubs. Notts County is not a wealthy club but when one side pays peanuts it is not hard to outbid them. The standard will go up.

        • guest

          Well it’s Canada who is paying peanuts but still a shitty thing to leave her club or former club hanging like that. She could have had her agent contact them and let them know she was looking elsewhere or her Federation for that matter.

        • ruby4

          Key word the standard WILL go up. It’s not there yet.

    • kernel_thai

      The way English teams treat their women’s squads has been shameful. The best compliment I can give is it is now becoming less shameful.

    • STT

      Until very recently, the English league was Arsenal and not much else, and Little was the start on Arsenal. So it was probably fair to write off the league as a whole – was. Only in the past two years have other teams started putting in money and time to make English teams more competitive, both on-field and money-wise.

    • Steglitz49

      Kim Little is Scotch and her club Arsenal is not in next season’s Champions league because they finished 3rd in the FAWSL.

      We do not know what attracted Ms Little to Seattle. It is truly a beautiful part of the USA, the food is excellent and the natives friendly. The quality of life is great. Maybe she is friends with someone who now lives and works in Seattle? We cannot tell. Maybe someone can find out and spill the beans?

  • Zach

    How did Scott not even mention to Herdman she wasn’t playing NWSL 2014? Money is money but why would you leave the best league playing against the best players in the world to go play in England? Seems crazy to me. And “World XI” is quite a stretch. She’s good but that’s a leap.

    • Silver Frost

      It’s the money. She has an agent, and agents want mkore money all the time. Her professional development means nothing to these people.

      • Steglitz49

        The young lady is 26. By WC-15 she will be 28. If she is not well developed as a player by now, when will she be?

        I would take the money. She speaks the local lingo, the natives are friendly and a contented bunch, there are pubs and horse racing, and it rains all the time which means that most matches will be on natural grass in the land of the “Turf Accountants”.

        • guess

          So I guess professionalism means nothing to you. How about calling up KC or Herdman for that matter and letting them know her intentions. She’s an ass hat for that but I don’t blame her for the money issue.

          • Steglitz49

            We do not have all the facts. If Ms Scott is called to the Canadian NT camp, it will tell us buckets.

    • KILLER

      NWSL is NOT the best league in the world.

      • Guest

        Maybe not but sure does have most of the best players so….That’s why all of Europe is whining about losing US players. And I sure as heck rather watch a more competitive game in the NWSL than a very uncompetitive game in the French league… And Sweden save for 3 or 4 teams isn’t that competitive either.

        • Steglitz49

          I thought that Bayern Munich were irritated as to how they lost an American player. Liverpool expressed understanding of why Whitney wanted to play in the NWSL but regretted her passing. Tyresö seem to have bitten into the sour apple and rolled with the punches.

          • Guest

            I meant some of the fans buddy but don’t forget about the French coaches comments…Regardless I’d rather watch paint dry than a match in the French league but the leagues of Sweden and Germany are good.

          • Lorehead

            That was US Soccer. This is the CSA.

          • kernel_thai

            How they lost her was her contract was up and she felt/it was made clear to her that her USNT aspirations were better served it she came home and played in the domestic league. BM wants it to sound like they swept in in the middle of the night and deprogramed Brooks. She just made a career decision. News flash to BM … Im pretty sure there was a monetary figure that made this all go away. U dont see Megan Rapinoe and her $14k a month breaking out into cold sweats about what USSF wants.

          • Steglitz49

            Her contract was up in June 2014 according to many articles ever since she signed. She wanted out earlier, that is before the end of the German season, so she could fulfill USSF demands and play in the NWSL from the start of its season.

            That is what Bayern were, quite understandable annoyed at, not that she would not sign on for more years.

            I expect that the European clubs that can afford to will continue to sign American players, but pick those who are not likely to be NT grade. They, obviously, have discovered Canada as another source of cheap good players.

          • ChalkTalk

            LOL European clubs have landed many National Team players to go there as the level of competition is higher and there is a focus on the “Game” not just the physical aspect of the game.
            Some TOP players have gone straight to Europe from High School to the annoyance of College programs.
            In terms of “Cheap” good players ? they pay more in Europe than elsewhere on average. That being said they are not looking for cheap players.

        • KILLER

          NWSL don’t have ‘most of the best”. Name your so called “most of the best players”

          • guest

            The NWSL got the best KICK-AND-RUN players ,LOL.

          • Sydon

            LMAOO!!!!

          • gerd karl

            Its the truth,only kicking and running,no skills.

          • Sydonia

            We shall see how our American kickers do against the superior Deutsche tiki-taka team in 2015.

          • gerd karl

            We will beat USWNT at the WC 2015

          • Tom F

            It’ really a mixed bag with Neid as coach; she’s a strict/ disciplinarian that can get the most out of her players. I like that she does play newer kids(something that Pia & now TS are slow in doing). She makes her team play a very physical game, but her selected players are not all that physical themselves and are subject to getting banged up/worse the wear in most games She really needs to add some of those more physically stronger players that for instance Potsdam has(but have not made the NT).
            Most con about Neid is that she makes her fb’s, Schmidt & Maier, go up into the attack which leaves her flanks completely exposed to quick counter attacks. This might ok against the slower Euro teams, but unfortunately plays right into the hands of the quicker ‘rest of the world’ teams out there.

          • Steglitz49

            Pia was not that slow about playing newer kids with the USWNT. She can be accused of it with her Swedish. The underlying problem is that the Swedish top division has become a foreign legion, for good as well as bad, admittedly.

          • Tom F

            You need to look at Sweden’s 10 other teams(minus Tyreso & Malmo) and you’ll find out they’re mostly Swedes start in the lineups. It’s because Tyreso(and you could say almost the same for Malmo) went out and got what’s on paper, the best club team in the world(which includes 9 non Swedish starters), that really makes the league look bad.
            It would help if another club had money in it’s pockets and could get back all those Swedes playing out of the country. Suppose Shelin, Fisher, Oqvist, Asllani, Jacobsson & Goransson would band together to make a club team? how good would they be?
            There’s nothing wrong with Sweden’s youth system. They’ve might of not qualified for the u20 wc this time, but they won the u19 championship in 2012. They’ve got an really good 18 year old named Lina Hurtig who scored both goals for Umea in their 2-2 tie vs Tyreso(the equalizer goddess couldn’t score in that game). Another young player, Olivia Schough, just got hired by Munich to take over Brooks place at mid.
            Sweden’s only problem is that Europe has become very competitive with not just Germany, France, Norway & England, but also recently Switzerland, Spain & Iceland as well

          • Steglitz49

            During the last two seasons there have been 69 foreign players among the 12 teams in Damallsvenskan. This means that on average teams have had 5 or 6 foreign players. A lot, and too many, far too many.

            One middle team had a pair of Czech twins join them last season. It was joked, that their contribution was 10 yellow cards and a red one, but in fairness they taught their Swedish team-mates to stand their ground and to close down players assertively.

            Swedish soccer has never had money. Why do you think the Grenoli (Gre-No-Li) became famous playing for Milan? Why does Zlatan play in PSG? Sweden’s women have even less. Sweden’s gift to women’s soccer was to give Marta a home.

            France has never amounted to a hill of beans in women’s soccer nor really have England. The failure to qualify for U-20 is significant because it was Finland and neither Sweden nor Norway who went through. I expect Scotland to qualify for WC-15. Whether Sweden can make it in the play-offs is a good question.

          • J.

            what has the french achieved with their superior pretty football?

          • guest

            At the highest level in soccer Barca and Spain have the won the CL and the WC with “pretty football” so don’t look down on it. That’s the real football ,not kicking and running.

          • matt

            So who said anything about Barca and Spain.. Arrogant much…The US women’s team is number one in the world while Germany has lost points so sit down and shut up

          • guest

            You STFU Mofo.!!!!

          • Steglitz49

            Language, please. Ladies read this site.

          • ChalkTalk

            There are some real quality players that were selected.

          • guest

            Well those Kick and Run players as you say sure do kick the rest of the world’s ass…

          • gerd karl

            We will kick your ass if you play us with the kick and run at the 2015 WC

          • Steglitz49

            except Japan’s (and Sweden’s)

          • guest

            I could name everyone on the National Team and they’d be better than most players out there except for Marta, Lotta and some of the Germans so bust off.. US is number one in the world with there Kick and Run…

          • Morgan
            Solo
            Rapinoe
            Press
            Rampone
            Sauerbrunn
            Leroux
            Holiday
            Wambach
            Sanderson
            O’Reilly
            Kerr
            Lloyd
            Sinclair
            Matheson
            DeVanna
            LeBlanc
            Barnhart
            Franch

            Seriously? You don’t think NWSL has most of the best players in the world?

  • wosofan

    Gotta respect the agent’s efforts to get increased pay for his client. Sometimes it seems there is a built-in expectation that women’s pro soccer players should just be happy to accept whatever job is available. But the agent is recognizing that, in fact, there is such a thing as freedom of contract (a.k.a. free market). I’m not sure I agree with his view that Scott is a World’s Best XI player, but he’s an agent and he’s supposed to say stuff like that. (He sounds just like Scott Boras, a successful MLB players’ agent).

    As for Scott’s development as a soccer player, I’m not sure the level of competition on a week by week basis is as strong in the FAWSL as it is in the NWSL, but perhaps I’m mistaken. This cannot be viewed positively by Herdman, unless the training and playing environment at Notts County is outstanding.

    As for FCKC, I consider myself a fan of that team, so this is bad news.

    • kernel_thai

      As it’s hard to know what transpired between Vine and CSA before this it’s hard to see the whole picture. From what has been released it seems like deliberate grandstanding on the agents part. The time to make this stand was in September not the day before the allocations came out. U simply inform CSA and FCKC that his clients do not plan to extend their contracts because of the pay situation and will be taking their services elsewhere. Instead they hedged their bets and have done a great disservice to FCKC. The CSA should be embarrassed that their players have to go to such lengths to get properly compensated and Herdman should be embarrassed that it went this far on his watch. Scott should also be embarrassed for the position she put Herdman in. Remember, his list went in on December 22. Unfortunately there is no act that will embarrass an agent.

      • Elaine

        NWSL needs to come up with better rules in the future to prevent this kind of thing from occurring again. Canadian players had issues with the CSA as far back as 2011.
        http://www.tsn.ca/soccer/story/?id=352875

        This is also from an article posted by Duane Rollins (Apr 2013):
        “Although details for specific players has yet to be released (and may not ever be), it was reported today that NWSL salaries are ranging between $6,000 and $30,000 this year.
        The league did not specify exactly where the Canadian players would fit in that, but those close to the league have suggested that the CSA is paying a salary just shy of $20,000 for the players. It’s highly unlikely that any Canadian, including Christine Sinclair, will come close to the $30,000.
        The Mexican women will be paid a similar amount as the Canadian women.
        It was suggested that the CSA attempted to keep all salaries relatively the same. In addition to the NWSL salary, the U.S. women also receive a salary for being on the national team.
        The Canadian women renegotiated their per diem rate two years ago. The amount they receive per game is unknown.”

        This is a fight between the CSA and its players, with NWSL and FCKC caught in the middle. We will how each party will respond.

        • Ben

          I don’t know if Canada and Herdman are trying to pull a fast one or not. If someone did not sign a contract extension as far back is August, why was she allocated in the first place?

          The only explanation I have is that these players must have made verbal committments without officially signing a contract. That way, they have the freedom to negotiate with other clubs to see if there is a better offer out there or the hope that the CSA would somehow increase what they are paying.

          Whatever the scenario is, FCKC is the loser here. Hopefully they get compensated in some way and that everyone learn from this. If allocation is to continue in the future, allocated players should have a deadline by which they have to commit.

          • Elaine

            I don’t know the situation also. Either Herdman and Scott were in on it, perhaps to extract pressure to the CSA to compensate the players more, or a total breakdown in communication, with assumptions that she will return for the second year. I have to think that the NWSL and KC had no idea this would happen. A deadline for the allocated players to sign their contracts seems like a no-brainer from now on.

          • kernel_thai

            The problem IMO isnt what Canada pays Scott, it’s that there is seemingly no mechanism in place where KC could have given money out of their own pocket to keep her. What does the NWSL care if KC pulls another $10K out of their cap to keep one of their key players. Further, how silly will it be if the NWSL gives KC a $24K exemption to sign a replacement player like they did with several teams who lost allocated players last year. It’s mind numbing.

          • NYRick

            Great points. But this once again gets into the “equal value” of the allocated players and subsequent equal salary. Of course the league has to be fiscally responsible, but there has to be something beyond the 30k max for allocated players. Am I correct on that figure? So technically, Morgan makes the same as Brunn or Loyden from the USSF, and Sinc makes the same as Sesselman from the CAF? Is that correct? There has to be a soft cap exemption for the “stars” or they will all jump ship. Especially right after WC15.

            The NWSL really has only one hope the way this is all starting to shake out…heavy MLS companion involvement. Without it, they’re done. The Red Bull/SB fiasco so pisses me off.

          • kernel_thai

            Well apparently the Canadians dont have equal value as the agent quoted a price range for the difference. There has to be a way to be cost effective and still protect ur stars. If ur main drawing point for the league is come see the NT players u cant just have them walking off. This isnt about throwing big money to lure Marta it’s about paying ur own asset a fair amount. And while Im on the soapbox, this is another problem of not having a seperate NWSL labor agreement. If there was one u think the Canadian players would be paid half of what the US NTers get? Not a chance.

          • Steglitz49

            Pray, how much is “a fair amount”?

            $40,000? or $50,000? Are you prepared to go to $100,000? or, even, $200,000?

            In a free, capitalistic market “a fair amount” is whatever someone is prepared to pay. Neither more nor less.

          • newsouth

            if the usa players get 30k then canada players are only get 20k max. i’m sure 10k above the usa max would make scott happy. but remember even mewis has an addidas sponsorship deal on top of her 24-30k usa allocation money. then, add in nt contract money. not 100k but a good 5 fig number for a kid out of college. mexicans and canadians are playing for peanuts. scott is on another world compared to mewis. i’d rate mewis with cuellar.

          • Steglitz49

            Your points are well taken. Presumably the USNT slot is a key component because it most likely is what helps get the sponsorship deal and maybe better pay at soccer camps out of season. (Alex presumably lends her name to one camp that charges a premium.)

            As you type, little if anything of this is available to Canadians and none to Mexican lasses.

          • Steglitz49

            Having suffered the collapse of two pro-leagues, the NWSL is an attempt to run a solvent one. To keep within budget players are paid below market rates. Therefore sitting ducks for the money men.

            The NWSL carrot is a chance to play for and the stick is exclusion from the NT. The whip has been cracked loud and clear. (If this doctrine is fully enforced, Pinoe and Tobin will not be in the WC-15 roster. Time will tell.)

            For players with decent off-field income from visibility or activity in north-America, this is no big deal. For the older ones, who made money while the going was good, it is OK. But, for the young hounds, it means limitations on their aspirations. Expect the next generation of Bevs and Beckys to benefit, not the Alexs or Syds — and all the Canadians.

          • newsouth

            250k soft cap would fix the problem. obviously teams that can’t afford the 50k stay at 200k. i guess lines gets 24k for play franch which they can pretend she is an allocation. that BS by USSoccer. Franch is pushing Loyden for that #3 spot but this is away to keep the pressure off of Loydon and keep Solo happy til the WC.

          • Steglitz49

            Although of the few that are paid, only a couple of players in Europe have been making $200k per year, nevertheless a fair number have managed $100k, and less than $35k is rare. The vast majority of players in Europe earn nothing or next to nothing.

            Is a soft cap of $250k really enough? If it were why does the USSF feel the need to crack the whip of exclusion for consideration for the WC-15 roster?

          • Elaine

            We don’t even know if KC was even notified that Scott would not return. If they had known and they still want to keep her and is willing to pay the difference, then yes the NWSL should have some mechanism to do that. And I think they might have done so in the back room if they had known. Speaking of that $24K compensation, that has to come from the CSA, not USSF or FMA.

          • kernel_thai

            Yeah but if the agent knew it was only a matter of pressing KC for a pay raise he would have gone to them first. Who would be harder to pressure…KC or the CSA?

          • Elaine

            Then I think it is a message to the CSA and could be related to the Canadian NT players contracts with them. There may be some home cooking issues related to the Canadians only, and has nothing to do with KC. The next move to watch is Sesselman. She is represented by the same agent. Will KC step in this time and put an offer after this Scott’s fiasco? If Sesselman turns them down, then we know they are going after CSA.

          • Ben

            Well then it won’t have much of an impact on the CSA now won’t it.And one must think of the precedent that will set. What happens if all allocated players start to demand more money?

          • kernel_thai

            Exactly…the way to pressure Canada is throw it out in September and have KC complaining to the CSA, USSF and NWSL how wrong this is. Agents dont care if their percentage is in dollars or pounds, they just care about the size of the number.

          • Ben

            I really do not see FCKC or any other team meddling in how much federations pays it’s players. That’s a whole can of wax you do not want to open. What would likely have had hapenned is that the pressure would have been of the CSA and FCKC would be the one to take the heat. Because the CSA will clearly tell them, hey this is what we are paying our players, take it or leave it. All of a sudden, FCKC have to try to make up the difference.
            If FCKC matches the offer, all of a sudden, you have all these allocated players demanding more money or they walk.

          • Ubu-Roi

            The USSF, who invented the NWSL, could care less where their prospective talent is trained, Malmo, Paris , or Kansas City, as long as they show up when needed. International players are always welcome, but are cannon fodder for the USWNT. If any player leaves for more whatever fine, next woman up. And where might that woman come from? Perhaps the U-23’s, ACC, PAC 12 or SEC to begin with. In fact, looking at what is coming up, change is good!

          • Steglitz49

            The turns around the Tyresö, Bayern Munich and Liverpool Ladies players would argue differently. The opposite in fact.

          • Steglitz49

            I seem to remember some special behavior of American players as they were being allocated. Most waited till the day after allocation but one did something the day before so WNY were one player short.

            One assumes that our Canadian sisters have learnt from their American sisters how to play their cards, including close to their chests. Where one bunch will lead, others will follow.

          • Elaine

            The Canadian sisters probably also learned how much their American sisters make playing in the NWSL and on the NT and are annoyed that their own CSA are so cheap. They look around their measly salary playing for country and take that in stride. But league play also? No way, CSA! Not when Notts is offering more money.

        • Steglitz49

          The Canadian fight for money and the Mexicans for playing time. Maybe USSF should simply buy-out the CSA and MFA?

          • Elaine

            USSF buyout the CSA and FMA? Not at this point they can’t or should want to. Money is still money, however less of it is offered. The true burden is on the team owners, who may have to pony up more money, which some can certainly afford that increase in salary cap. Although I shouldn’t assume anything until I see the financials of last year in the NWSL.

          • newsouth

            i’m not sure how the numbers work out but the minimum salary should be 12k for a 6 mth contract plus housing. they should also get a small 250$ a month for food per. the problem is, canada players earn under 20k, so a club would have to foot over 20k just to get a player like scott 40k, a reasonable salary. sesselmen wants her cut. that’s 45k just for those two. on a side note, if ussoccer pulls it’s funding after the 3, the league is done. mls is only willing to pay men 40k, so there is no way they will foot the bill in an open market for NT players. it’s the wps revisited.

          • Elaine

            I’m sure Scott or Sesselman may have been happy making $30K, at least that would be in line with Holiday, Barnie, and the other USNTers. Of course the US nationals have another salary on top of that just by playing on the NT, whereas I had heard that for the Canadian nationals, they are paid on a per game status. Don’t know if that’s true. Agree with you on the funding of USSF to the NWSL and it’s viability at this point. Only when another big corporation or sponsor step in can they pull out. So is the reality of all women soccer leagues around the world.

      • necron99

        We have to remember that the CSA didn’t pay players much money before the NWSL allocations came around. They surely didn’t pay as much as even the low salaries that players were getting in the NWSL. of course players deserve more money but they are restricted by the realities of revenue generation of the league, and by the limited budget of the CSA.
        Scott is clearly making the best of her strong 2012 Olympics and 2013 FC KC play. She couldn’t have been making much playing for the Vancouver Whitecaps in the years prior. She has the right to go for the money she can make in the limited time she has as a player. I think there was clearly a break down in communication between Scott, her agent, the NWSL, CSA, and FCKC. It definitely should have been done better. We don’t know if it was intentional or not. FC KC probably thought that the NWSL was taking care of it.

  • FCKCEvans

    I’m glad Scott and Sesselmann are committed to the Canadian National team/ CSA/Herdman enough to make them look like complete ass hats. Don’t get me wrong, I agree with their point of view to an extent but it should have been done in a different way.
    KC obviously doesn’t want to be involved in this drama bc of the continuous no comments, and although I very much value the huge impact Sess and Scott brought to the team, i’d rather not be involved in this hoopla. How can other teams even trust otherCandian allocations from here on out if they federation isn’t competent enough to require signatures on contracts?
    I wonder what “investigated by the proper authorities” means btw? Doesn’t sound completely done yet. Even if it’s just CSA owes KC money.

    • Sydonia

      Just playing on a good team is not enough for some players. I wonder if Matheson has called her agent yet about playing in Germany or Sweden.

      • Steglitz49

        She can always call Stephanie Labbé and Marie-Eve Nault, who play in the Swedish league. There may be more Canadians over there.

      • KILLER

        When playing on a good team doesn’t bring in enough money seeking greener pastures is prudent.

        • FCKCEvans

          In this situation, why couldn’t KC foot the bill if the organization so choses? CSA still contributes their peanut salary and KC gives them the rest to equal that of an American contract.

          • Steglitz49

            Do we know what Ms Scott’s package consists of? Chelsea have Yuki Ogimi and Liverpool had Whitney Engen so there must be some money in that ladies league, if not a lot.

          • FCKCEvans

            No, I have no idea what Scott’s package consists of. I’m just saying their are other ways to solve this problem.
            This was just such a publicity scheme to make a point to CSA that left FCKC in the middle. Why didn’t Scott just decline an allocated contract and let KC offer a contract? They may not be able to afford both Scott and Sess but one or the other.
            This was all about making a statement and raising as much hell as possible.

          • guest

            I agree she never informed KC of her intentions and never gave them the option to counter offer if that is what could have transpired.. It could have set a new precedent in the league since rules are still being made up as things go. Very unprofessional and a douche move for sure.

          • D23

            But if she never signed a contract that was sent to her how could either the club or the federation (whoever the other party to the contract is) be expecting her to play. If you send out a contract and no one signs it surely that is indication in and of itself. And surely someone should follow up before her allocation is announced.

          • guest

            Fair enough a ball was dropped somewhere but still doesn’t explain why her National Team wasn’t aware of what was going on and does not explain the statement that authorities are looking into how the contract issue was approached. Maybe she told them she fully intended to sign…I don’t know if that holds any water…It’s all a ploy by her slimy agent against CSA anyway

          • FCKCEvans

            Contracts are with CSA, so yeah KC could have looked into it a little harder but did they have a reason to? This is a stunt from the Scott camp.

          • D23

            Not saying the Scott camp are without fault, but this is a business and there are contracts involved. Of course there is reason to check them – why bother having them otherwise. No employer can just assume an employee will work for them in the future once the current obligation to do so has ended. This is basic stuff and someone should have checked. If it is complicated because there are more than two parties involved then there should be some kind of system in place to ensure these kind of situations don’t come about.

          • Steglitz49

            Louche ?

          • newsouth

            based on the cap, it would have to be an external sponsorship. based on the teams in the league and who would have been, sahlen and red bull fit that bill. simply, there companies the athlete externally and make up the difference.

  • Miley

    For arguments sake if the figures mentioned above by the John is true and per say she is earning per say £25000 that will be more than double what the Canadian Fed will pay her if she was playing here. Lets be honest with ourselves if someone was to offer any of us double your wages to do the same job how many of us will still stay in the same job? Afterall one cant play soccer forever and if this is the case then this is bad news for the NWSL because these European teams can poach our league best players with ease.

    • Guest

      I don’t blame her for going for the money. I do blame her for the unprofessionalism act of not contacting FCKC and Herdman about her intentions and for leaving that team out to dry.

    • Silver Frost

      Either NWSL is serious about allocations from NTs, or it isn’t. I believe NWSL has been trying hard to accommodate players’ desires, maybe too much. Although players have the right to earn as much as they can, this issue of poaching is not going to go away.

      • Steglitz49

        I expect the clubs to go for Canadian NT players and for US NCAA players that just miss the draft or are unlikely to make the NT camps. Players like Bev and Becky. Occasionally, a player may raise their profile abroad enough to get into the NT camp but it won’t be often.

  • Rdalford

    Most players have limited number of years to play. They should be able to choose to play for more $$$ or more completion or better development or whatever. Although the opportunities for women to play professional soccer are limited there are some clubs with enough financial backing (corporate, men’s team, etc) to offer more $$$ or completion or whatever to the players. Hard to fault players for making their own career choices. Suspect that many of us reserve the right to make our own career choices in our lives. However, this situation clearly might have been handled better.

    Like many women’s soccer fans I want the NWSL to succeed and grow (NWSL success will benefit all women’s soccer). I hope the NWSL continues to attract MLS interest and corporate ownership/sponsorship, TV contracts, and sufficient fan support so that NWSL teams might have sufficient resources to compete for players. In the near term some adjustments to salary cap or salary cap exceptions may be needed to allow teams to match offers. However, reality is some of the teams do not currently have resources even if cap exceptions were allowed.

    My opinion, continue push to grow NWSL and attract TV, MLS, corp etc and implement some sort of revenue sharing – but recognize that some players will choose other opportunities. Grow NWSL so teams can compete (vs restricting players).

  • Soccerfan

    What I find really interesting is Notts willingness to sign a canadian. I was/am still under the impression that european clubs would refrain from signing talent of the three associations involved in the NWSL in the future. Seems like mexican and canadian players are excempt from that. Interesting.

    • Elaine

      That just tells you how weak the CSA and FMA are with respect to their players. Not the situation with USSF.

    • Steglitz49

      Only the USSF have the teeth of a real threat. Their carrot is the chance to be selected for the NT; the stick is exclusion. The US are mega-favorites to win WC-15. Thus, if you are on the roster your chances of a world cup goal is all but sure. That will affect your future earnings. It is worth bending over for.

      Neither Canada nor Mexico are in such a strong position. Hence clubs will sign them — and they are cheaper to boot.

      • xanthophobe

        Do you really think the US are “mega-favorites”? I would call them the favorites, but there are certainly some teams not too far behind. Germany’s victory at the 2013 Euro was remarkably impressive when you consider how young most of that team was, so most of those players will be even better in 2015. France has choked in their last three major tournaments (how they didn’t win a single medal in the WC, Olympics, and Euro baffles me), but they’re always a threat. Norway is not what it used to be, but they had a solid run at the Euro. And then there is always Japan, who we haven’t seen too much of since the Olympics, but you have to imagine is going to come into Canada with guns blazing.

        Again, I agree that the US would be the favorites, and in a lot of ways, I feel like this cycle is being built as the one where they make it back to the top of the world. But with that comes a lot of pressure, and you can’t underestimate that.

        • newsouth

          easy favorite with the right lineup. major upset with wambach starting.

        • Steglitz49

          As things stand today, only Germany and Norway can put a spoke in the US’s wheels. Things may be different in the Summer of 2015, but I doubt it. Maybe the Brazilian President will have kicked theirs into shape.

          Who else is there? The Nadeshiko are no longer a stealth bomber flying below the radar. It is hard the second time of asking to give up 4* in height and 15 lb in weight, and Bayern Munich demonstrated how to take tikki-taka apart. France? Give me a break, please. It hurts when I laugh.

          • xanthophobe

            I guess part of me just doesn’t understand the French women. They have some incredible raw talent (more than Norway has, I think) and just can’t pull it together for the life of them, and I keep expecting them to do so. I will admit I said the same thing about the Brazilian women for a while and I don’t see a gold medal hanging around any of their necks (although I bet the French women would kill for a silver medal at this point), so I say so knowing that I might be off track.

            I think a new coach will serve Les Bleus well and perhaps they’ll be a little sharper. And the inevitable switch in goalkeeper by 2015 will do them well. I don’t know if it’s enough for them to figure it out. I don’t know, I’m just so puzzled by them.

          • Steglitz49

            They illustrate France’s history throughout the ages. That is all you need to understand.

          • Lorehead

            The Nadeshiko were the last team to actually beat the USWNT, in the 2012 Algarve Cup.

  • NYRick

    I’m all for these players making as much as they can, but this from all indications is a real low rent move by Scott and her agent. The CSA and Herdman look like amateur hour on this too. Sesselman to now follow probably as well. Wow. FCKC just most likely fell out of the running to contend for a title.

    • Guest

      Don’t forget Kansas City will likely lose a US allocated player too to Houston. So they are going to lose three allocated players by the end of this. Three paid for spots that will now have to be filled with cap money. Split the same money between more pockets and everyone remaining either makes less or they don’t bother filling their roster. Seattle has the same problem. They don’t have full allocation count from every fed and will likely lose a player to Houston anyway lowering their total further. Their cap money have more players to account for. Unlike with WNY no one will be giving them money for their losses. So less money for the rank and file or just leave roster spots open and go light.

      The cap was set with the expectation most teams would have full allocations from each fed. That isn’t going to even be close this season. Perhaps raising the cap by at least 20k for teams with only six allocations. That wouldn’t fully compensate them, but it would at least let them pay their players properly.

      • NYRick

        That’s interesting that KC now can lose another allocated US player to Houston. That’s a good point. So does that mean that the USSF may now have to “allocate” Tymrak to give them 3? There’s Holiday, Barnie, Brunn and is ARod allocated? If she’s not and they lose one, then Tymrak would need to be the third. She is the last player you want walking out the door on KC. This whole thing is getting crazy. I respect that the USSF/NWSL early model was going to have growing pains, loopholes and let’s make it up as we go to it, but really this is starting to get ridiculous and maybe it’s time to blow it up and call a do-over.

        • Guest

          I don’t think the US is going to be handing out more allocation money just because Canada dropped the rope on this. I do think it would be wise to give teams that have more of their roster to pay for because of allocation issues room to spend beyond the cap. Because at this point it is coming out of player’s pockets.

          Allowing teams with 6 or fewer allocations the ability to go over the cap some would be a start. Maybe an extra international so they could also replace quality, though I’m not sure if labor laws would allow them to pick and choose which teams get that option.

        • Sydonia

          KC has 4 WNT allocated players, including A-Rod. I bet Houston takes Sauerbrunn. KC would still have one more WNT allocated player than WNY.

          • Guest

            WNY got compensated for that financially last year. Unlike Seattle with no-show Arod or Chicago with their no-show LePeilbet. I can’t recall if Boston got anything for Mitts retiring. I don’t think they got cash. WNY even got two of the best American offensive players unlike Spirit for example and were one of the few teams with a Mexican player who could start on a team. In fact you could say out of all the teams with day one allocation problems last year they were the only one that got a helping hand to make up for it.

          • Steglitz49

            Can Houston simply pick? It does not seem fair to KC. Who goes ought to be agreed between consenting adults in a smoke-filled room. I advise KC to let Houston have Barnie.

          • Michelle

            In an expansion draft, each team will get to protect a certain number of NT players (expected to be two, but the rules haven’t been announced yet). If I’m FCKC, I’m protecting Holiday and Sauerbrunn and letting either Barnie or A-Rod go.

            Houston is only picking two NT players – and from 7 teams (as WNY is exempt since they only have 2 USWNT players anyway). I like those odds unless I’m a team that has four USWNT players (FCKC and Seattle).

          • john the other

            Then Seattle will do one of it’s trades f/ USSF to return Sauer to her midwest roots most likely. May take a season like Syd and Mewis, but it’ll happen.

        • Steglitz49

          KC should give Houston Barnie.

          • Lorehead

            Some team in the league is getting Nadine Angerer. That team will still want at least one backup keeper, but is likely to find its current starting keeper worth less than the player they could trade her to Houston for.

    • FCKCEvans

      Hopefully word is out on Scott/Sess/agents little plan and no team bites for Sessemann. But who knows. According to twitter Scott is headed to Canadian NT camp currently so hopefully something is decided this week.

      • Steglitz49

        Ms Sesselman is a good player although like most Canadian lasses she favors a muscular and assertive style. Elsewhere in The Equalizer it is reported that the South-Korean Ji So-yun is joining Chelsea Ladies. It is the usual women’s two-year deal.

        In this context it is interesting that Ji So-yun is expected to be the highest paid player in Chelsea Ladies’ history. That would make her better paid than Yuki Ogimi. One wonders how much those two earn at Chelsea Ladies? Any ideas about their packages?

  • John the other

    What is currently missing in this story is who was responsible for getting the signed extension contract. From August to January is a loooong time to let this be a loose end. Whether it was CSA or NWSL staff someone dropped the ball here. Is it possible that Scott was until recently thought KC and Herdman knew she hadn’t signed? From there forward she and her agent didn’t handle this well. Also, there may be a premature panic going on about a player exodus.

    • rufan

      I think its just an excuse Vine is using to claim she is a free agent. He is hedging with his statement ” However, the circumstances which her contract extension was presented by FCKC are being investigated by proper authorities.” She could have just signed it the first day of camp in March.
      Difference situation. My wife has taught college and also now HS and for both the annual contract does not show up until after the start of school year. Half the time she does not sign a copy and return it. She shows up to teach and the checks are deposited. Unless she would actually say she is not returning, everyone assumes she will and expects her to show up. I suspect it the same way with the leagues.

      • john the other

        Your wife’s scenario can not be labeled good business practice no matter how common or simpler it is. If she should (and I’m not saying she would) just not show up the organization would be scrambling to replace her and look foolish too boot. By not having a deadline and/or following up after distributing the extension offers NWSL has once again appeared bush league. Actually it’s harder to get an unregistered player on the field in a U9 travel game. If Irecall correctly the deadline for this kept being altered like so much else in NWSL. Can’t wait till all the machinations end and we can just watch the games.

        • rufan

          Welcome to the world of education, where teachers may even just not show up the first day, but quit after it, contract or no contract. If an employee wants to quit, the contract will not make a difference. Don’t employees quit your organization, forcing it to scramble? All a contract may do is allow the employer to enforce a non competition clause or protect company property (customer lists, etc.).

          For all we know, the CSA can allocate a player, but not force her to play with the league. That the team’s problem.

          • john the other

            Valid point, but there is the breach of contract factor. Rarely pursued b/c of expense and/or all you are doing is forcing an unmotivated person to work for you. I still stand by the lack of professionalism on both sides in this case.

  • NYRick

    Just a general thought here: a socialist system (i.e. kind of the NWSL current model) does not work (hence the confusion and defections we are starting to see) when talent and entertainment is involved. All the major sports have figured that out a long time ago, and certainly when Marvin Miller kicked the owners butts back in the 60s with the Curt Flood ruling. That opened the floodgates, no pun. The Hollywood, TV and Broadway models also abide by the rule: you have to pay talent to survive.

    I think we all get that the league needs to be fiscally responsible, take baby steps etc., and that’s why this “subsidized” model by the 3 federations was going to get it off the ground and solvent. But now look what’s happening…the USSF and CSA essentially gave out free Honda Accords, and they thought that would make the drivers of their league happy. What they didn’t realize was, “that’s nice, thanks, but I really wanted at worse a Lexus, or better still those nice BMWs from Europe.

    • Silver Frost

      And the NFL is a non-profit corporation whose teams are owned by billionaires (always demanding new stadiums subsidized by taxpayers), insulated from anti-trust proceedings by federal law.

      I don’t think USSF wants to be babysitting the NWSL forever. Their support is for 3 years only. Then the NWSL can go full capitalist, like WUSA and WPS. Ha!

      • NYRick

        Yes, but the players aren’t willing to wait for 3 years. You see what’s happening in year 2 already. This lack of communication in the Scott situation shows they don’t respect the current model and will take measures to hurt teams indirectly through defection, and change it themselves. It’s just the start.

        • sydon

          The players have bills to pay and families to feed in some cases.Their bills wont wait till the NWSL becomes successful on its own.

      • newsouth

        if ussoccer pulls those allocation salaries, the league is history in 3 yrs ago. no way mls teams are going to front the money and housing for nt players. mark my works. if this league is around 10 yrs, then the ussoccer will be allocating players during that period. paulson isnt paying for sinclair and morgan out of his profits. the league just becomes the wps and wusa again.

        • Lorehead

          I’m pretty sure that’s not the case. Let’s look at some numbers. Merrit Paulson’s goal is 10K Thorns season tickets sold and average attendance of 15K a game. That would beat six teams in the NBA for average attendance per game and the Devil Rays of MLB for season tickets. Even last year’s actual ticket sales would more than pay for the five-figure salaries of Morgan and Sinclair.. Now, if US Soccer were to stop twisting Morgan’s arm to play in the NWSL, Paulson might then have to bid against teams in Europe for her services. But recall he offered her a nice apartment that she turned down, so he is willing to pay her more. As for Sinclair, she’s playing in Portland because that’s where she wants to play. What would the CSA do if she signed a contract in Europe? Cut her?

          What about the other teams in the league? The Flash, Breakers, Red Stars and Sky Blue all existed before US Soccer began subsidizing players and have owners who probably would be willing to keep them going after. The Sahlens in particular very obviously don’t care how much money the Flash lose. The Seattle Sounders Women, which has never been formally subsidized by US Soccer, has existed since 2001 and had very respectable attendance, so there would still be a team in that market. The Washington Spirit previously existed as a semi-pro team, and it seems likely that FCKC would hang on at least in that capacity.

          • Steglitz49

            No team with any sense would bid for Alex’s services. She is injury prone and WC-15 is around the corner.

            A team might take Alex on loan but I doubt that Alex can be fagged outside of the regular season. One advantage Alex has had over Marta is to be able to earn her living in her own country. Alex never needed to learn the language of honor and heroines (ie to speak Swedish).

          • newsouth

            at least you get it. she leaves the usa for two years and sydney and crew are on sponsor alert.

          • Steglitz49

            Thank you. Alex fame is built in equal part on her great prowess on the field and the merits of body paint.

            Had she not scored in Manchester, the body paint stunt might have back fired, but Alex did score in Old Trafford and since she has scored off the field in many and various ways.

          • Sydonia

            These sexist comments are atrocious. Morgan’s legions of fangirls know nothing about body paint, which only old men are obsessed with. Morgan is a striker on the best NT in the world, and that is why she is famous.

          • Steglitz49

            If you believe that you believe anything.

            If you put Alex Morgan into a search engine, the top item that comes up are pictures of her in body paint — masses (>70%) of the famous ones from SI. You can’t avoid them.

            As I typed, without her skill on the pitch, it would not have had any impact. Heck, SI would not have given her space.

          • Sydonia

            Marta could play in Brazil, but she prefers Sweden’s infatuated sugar daddies.

          • Steglitz49

            Marta came to Sweden as an 18 year old to play for Umeå, a town of about 80,000 inhabitants in the north (about level with Fairbanks). At the time Umeå was a team to play for and she stayed 5 seasons. Then, like for many, the siren song of the mighty USD called her to America. When the US leagues collapsed she was unemployed with the rest of them. Umeå could not afford her but Tyresö’s fan pulled together enough for her to join them. Maybe she will go back to Brazil after this season?

          • newsouth

            morgan earns about 1.2-1.5m a year from sponsors who expect her to be in the usa market. she isn’t going anywhere along with wambach and solo.

          • Lorehead

            Hope Solo has played in both France and Sweden.

          • newsouth

            was that at the beginning of her career or at her apex when sponsors were coming after her? with new found fame wambach isn’t going anywhere either. morgan isn;t about to go do a tour in europe like press. lets be real.

          • Lorehead

            You could be right, but here’s the thing. When I look at Alex Morgan’s publicity, it talks a lot about the 2012 Olympics and some about the 2011 World Cup. It also mentions her national championships as a pro. It doesn’t say much about where she’s playing today, and hardly anyone has seen her NWSL or WPS games on TV.

            I think a lot of people in Portland would notice if she left, but Portland is a small market.

          • Steglitz49

            Your point is well taken. Please see my reply.

          • Steglitz49

            Hope played for Gbg when she was unknown. She used to spend holidays with Lotta Schelin and her family. It is a rapidly vanishing side of the world of ladies soccer.

    • D23

      If the NWSL wants to be the best league in the world, and have the best players then, at some stage, it’s going to have to pay for them, and pay them what they are worth in some sort of market sense. There is more and more money being injected into women’s football across the world (which is a great thing) and the best players deserve to be the beneficiaries of this. But, in my opinion, the NWSL doesn’t need to, almost instantaneously, become the best league in the world. Yes, that is a legitimate longer term ambition, but it should focus on becoming a successful, sustainable league without comparing itself to other leagues and setting standards for player participation that are not realistic, or premised on good players being paid less than they are worth. The NWSL does not necessarily need entire NT playing pools playing in the US to be successful, it just needs enough players for teams to build franchises around as the league builds. And consequently, those players could perhaps be paid more in line with what they are worth if you are not subsidising 27 of them. With the NCAA system new players can be discovered all the time. No other country has this kind of talent pool at it’s disposal. Ultimately a successful league will require fan identification with clubs not with individual players whose careers are finite and the clubs they play for variable. Not allowing clubs to control their own rosters does not do them any favours in terms of longer term planning. It will be extremely interesting to see the model adopted when the federations pull their funding and the consequences this will have on the league.

      • necron99

        The reality is that financially no league can be the “best” league in the world if being the “best” means having “all” of the best players. WoSo is not a significantly profitable enterprise yet. I hope it continues to grow and becomes one. At this time there are limited numbers of high salary positions. No league in Europe pays every player. Some teams are fully pro in France, Germany and Sweden. Other teams have a mix of pro and unpaid players. The salaries very widely. As such there will always be chances for a club that needs a certain player to make an higher offer. Most leagues other than the NWSL do not have salary caps. So if PSG, Lyon, Frankfurt, Tyreso, Malmo decide they have the cash and want to pay a player more money they might get that player. Overall most players in Europe aren’t paid, and the paid players make lower salaries. The big stars make more.

        • Silver Frost

          FIFA needs to make a rule making pay mandatory in pro leagues, and set the minimum base salary. It would reduce monopolist teams like OL.

          • Lorehead

            Wouldn’t make sense for all countries.

    • Ubu-Roi

      Actually that has nothing to do with socialism, but instead pure unfettered capitalism. Again the USSF, which invented the NWSL, could care less where their talent is trained, Malmo , Paris, or Kansas City, as long as they show up when needed. Their problem is that the avalanche of US talent coming from US colleges has nowhere to go . All the International leagues and U-23, could not possibly accommodate it, and it was losing top talent to grad and professional schools. International players, like Scott, are always welcome, but again , are cannon fodder for the USWNT. Any player who bids up the market price for woman’s talent though is a good thing. Analogously Brek Shey, a Star in MLS, got paid $300k/yr. Moving to the 2nd division of English soccer, he earns $7 mil. I think we are on the way, thanks to Sunil Gulati, to the day when we will see a women’s soccer player command those numbers. If Scott is a small step, it is still a step.

    • Lorehead

      I’m not sure what you think of as socialist or why you think “socialism” can’t work. The NBA, the men’s Bundesliga, the NCAA, the Olympics and FIFA are all a lot more socialist than the NWSL, in the sense that everything is centrally-planned through a grand bargain between all the interest groups, and they make money hand over fist.

      The problem with the NWSL is that it’s a cartel to try to hold down the salaries of players, ostensibly so that the sport can become self-supporting, and they didn’t get the Europeans to agree to it. US Soccer turned out to have enough leverage over its players to threaten them into turning down better club offers, but the Canadians didn’t. If there were some closed-door meeting where all the women’s leagues agreed to the same salary cap, that would be great for the owners and bad for the players.

  • george

    Maybe the CSA should have scaled back their allocations to 8. Then only the players who really prefer to stay in North America and who were relatively happy with their NWSL salaries would be allocated. As it is, there are allocated players who probably won’t get much playing time. There are those who seem to want to get out of an allocation to sign elsewhere and there are players Herdman wanted who turned down an allocation.

    I imagine the CSA is feeling pressure from the grassroots not to subsidize American teams. They would prefer money be spent on Canadian players in Canada.

    • J.

      Maybe the CSA should give their women more money. Equalizer reported that canadian players earned 20k last season raise their salary to 45k each player. 16 players x 45k=720,000 not even a million they can cover it they just choose not to.

      • Steglitz49

        The world cup will be played on artificial surfaces, not natural grass.

        Canadians are probably more concerned that their Juniors go home from the hockey World Championship without a medal. Spending $720,000 on some women soccer players when it is the hockey boys who need the money will not wash north of the border. Basta!

    • Steglitz49

      Your comment that — “Maybe the CSA should have scaled back their allocations to 8” — is a bit difficult to follow seeing that there are now 9 teams.

      • Lorehead

        Didn’t stop the FMF.

        • Steglitz49

          Hardly any of their players get any pitchtime worth writing home about, so why they support the NWSL is beyond me.

    • Lorehead

      No, I’m pretty sure they would rather have their athletes playing in a top-tier league than playing in Canada, but we might someday see the NWSL expand into Canada. (I’ve beaten my drum before about how Vancouver would make sense.)

      • george

        I didn’t mean that they would keep NT players in the country, I meant that they could spend the allocation money on an idea like making a W-League team, like the Ottawa Fury, semi-pro by subsidizing some graduating college players. When these players were ready they would move on to pro contracts overseas.

  • nwslfan

    until the pay scale is improved in this league, other teams will poach and players will pursue their rights to a decent salary and benefits. http://www.stumptownfooty.com/2013/4/12/4217340/nwsl-player-salaries-are-shockingly-low

    • Steglitz49

      Someone has to defray the shebang. If the spectators don’t show up, except in Portland, DC and KC, then the owners have to chip in. How much are the owners prepared to sacrifice? $1m a year? $2m a year? Any idea?

      • Frankly, I’m worried about spectators showing up this year for FCKC. They just lost Scott, they may lose Sesselmann, when they lose Barnhart or some other USWNT player to Houston the fans are going to be pissed. And with their previously strong middle of the field decimated, I doubt they win as many games as they did last year. If you get 5 games into the season and FCKC is losing at home, the spectators will stop showing up.

        • Steglitz49

          Hold your horses and please do not jump off the ledge just now!

          Were I KC I would leave Barnie unprotected. Good goalies are a dime a dozen in the US. Also, I would play Cecilia Santiago for 8-10 matches. Either she will do as well as her stats show or she will sink, in which I got some bargaining chips with the Chief Ideologist of the NWSL. In short, Houston grabbing Barnie would be just ducky.

          The fans in DC were loyal so why would not those in KC?

          My biggest worry is that the successful coach of last season now will be spending his time and energy on the boys. This is KC’s real headache and that can’t be fixed with a glass of Cab or Chard.

        • mockmook

          😉

          Som Termanni led me to this article for other reasons.

          “Prediction is very difficult, especially if it’s about the future.”
          —- Niels Bohr

          Trust me, I know.

    • Lorehead

      The benefits include housing, at least. Even there, the Washington Spirit put two players in a retirement home.

  • morSOC

    As crazily as we all follow wosoc there is no money being made by anyone off the game. In terms of getting your brand seen you are better off sponsering individual women’s sports-tennis, skiing, etc. Players can pursue better salaries all they want, but the ownership, including associations, in 90% of cases can not pay a living wage. Where is the money magically going to come from? Unless potential owners/sponsors see significant attendance/viewing numbers there is no reason to invest. This league is dead when the USSF decides the model doesn’t suit their needs anymore. Interest in almost all cases lags significantly for the corresponding women’s version of any sport. Notably the exceptions are cases were the sexiness factor has been utilized, which results in do we discuss the elephant in the room or not.

    • Lorehead

      I’m almost certain that the Portland Thorns have to be making money.

      • morSOC

        Or is the Portland organization? Take away what the male side provides and would it be profitable? I reckon it would close, but exceptions prove the rule as the saying goes.

        • Lorehead

          I haven’t seen the books. A big part of answering the question, “Are the Thorns profitable?” is deciding how much of the overheads and infrastructure that the teams share to be counted as a cost of running the Thorns.

          One method you could use is, “The cost of the Thorns is what the owner spends now minus what he would spend if the Thorns did not exist.” That’s relevant to a decision to keep the Timbers going and shut down or sell the Thorns. It’s also probably how Merritt Paulson is thinking when he says the cost of the Thorns is very low. He’d still have the lease for Jeld-Wen field, but leave it empty those eleven days, his front office, his sports medicine facility, etc. He has to pay the Thorns themselves, along with some extra staff, and there is some marginal cost for opening the stadium for its games, running practices, buying kits and travel, but I would guess that’s low compared to the fixed cost of the stuff he bought to run a soccer team in Portland.

          You seem to be asking whether the Thorns would be profitable if he sold the Timbers; that is, if they could also cover their shared costs by themselves. I haven’t seen the books, but the Thorns are more popular than some first-division men’s soccer teams and any second-division soccer teams in the U.S.

          To be honest, Paulson behaves as if the prestige of owning popular teams is more important to him than money anyway, and the Thorns got him a lot of prestige.

  • ChalkTalk

    She can go where she pleases, She needs to do what’s best for her. She is in charge in the end of her development Nobody else.
    She will get coaching as good if not better across the pond , the level of competition will be the same if not higher and she will get paid more ?
    What is wrong with that equation ?

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