Amber Brooks officially leaves Bayern Munich as US homecoming trend continues

Jeff Kassouf December 13, 2013 339

Amber Brooks' time in Munich is over as she returns to the NWSL.

Amber Brooks has officially left Bayern Munich to play in the NWSL, where she’ll most certainly play with Portland Thorns FC, who own her rights and keep teasing that they have an announcement of a big U.S. player signing but are yet to confirm it is Brooks.

But what’s interesting are Munich manager Karin Danner’s parting words, found here in German. Loosely translated, the Munich boss say she cannot understand why the United States wants their players in the NWSL, but that Bayern did not want to put obstacles in the way of Brooks’ move.

Interesting.

UPDATE: Brooks tweeted clarification on Friday night saying she chose to come back stateside for personal and career reasons:

There are plenty of conspiracies regarding U.S. Soccer forcing the issue of having its players in the NWSL. Though there is little hard evidence to support that, you can bet U.S. Soccer would like its player in the league it is helping fund. I spoke with Sermanni about this at the NWSL final on August 31 regarding Erika Tymrak’s loan move to Bayern, and he had this to say about players in Europe vs. at home:

“It’s a balance. The answer to those questions is not 100 percent one way, 100 percent the other way. I think for a player like Erika, going and getting the experience of playing in a different environment, a different style of soccer and a different culture. Being away from home, out of your comfort zone, all those things, I think, are good for players.”

There is, however, an attempt to “reverse” the trend of Europe being perceived as the place to be for women’s soccer, as also found in that article.

Conspiracy theorists will be up in arms about all this, and I’m not saying they’re wrong, but there is a player element to it. Could there be pressure – direct or inferred – from U.S. Soccer? Absolutely. But players on the fringe of the national team are intelligent enough to know they’ll be seen on a weekly basis in the NWSL versus on tape or in the NWSL offseason if they stay in Europe. And they will surely be sharper in camp when it means a short flight or bus ride versus, say, 23 hours of air travel, as some of the Tyresö players did to get into the October camp after flying from Sweden to Paris for Champions League and then connecting over to San Antonio, Texas. They are trying to make a World Cup roster for one of the deepest teams in the world.

Does anyone think this doesn’t happen elsewhere — in the men’s and women’s game? It wasn’t long ago that WPS featured zero German players in the buildup to the 2011 World Cup. Most of the German players stayed in the Frauen-Bundesliga for very similar reasons: To remain together in the buildup to the ultimate goal of winning a World Cup (which went horribly wrong that year on home soil, but that’s another story).

Also, specifically in Brooks’ case, Portland is a very appealing place to play  – from the soccer culture, to the fans and that championship they just won.

Speaking of the Swedish trio, Tyresö had posted to the club’s Facebook page earlier in the week that Christen Press, Meghan Klingenberg and Whitney Engen would stay with the team until the 2014 summer break in June, and that they were hopeful to keep Ali Krieger and Ashlyn Harris around.

That post seems to have disappeared, but a source revealed Thursday that the length of their stay in Sweden in Sweden in 2014 will be heavily dependent on Tyresö’s run in the UEFA Champions League. Press said all along she would like to see out the Champions League campaign before the move stateside. The details of all this remain between the players and U.S. Soccer.

  • Steglitz49

    The observation by BM’s manager Karin Danner that “Bayern did not want to put obstacles in the way of Brooks’ move” is simplest interpreted that Bayern are not holding Ms Brooks to the full length of her contract but that she can go and play in the NWSL from the start.

    It is a good PR move on Bayern’s part. They are off the pace in the ladies league wherefore will not qualify for the Champions League and they are out of the Cup, so they are going nowhere fast this season. Might as well collect the PR-points.

    • Guenther Netzer-Kant

      I disagree. They simply did it for the players. The beauty of the not yet over-profesionalised soccer league is that human behaviours are often overruling “business” interests.

      From the reactions I saw I got the impression that Bayern Munich is very frustrated and disappointed that Amber has to leave especially in the current situation with various injured key players and some unlucky results.
      So this is everything but a (planned) PR move. It is simply dealing with disappointement.

      • Boston Red

        Very similar to what has happened in NWSL with some of the players wanting to be in certain places for personal reasons. There’s not much value in holding on to marginally paid players who don’t want to be there.

        • Guenther Netzer-Kant

          agree

        • Steglitz49

          I do not quite follow you. There is no indication that Bayern pays Amber marginally while there is every indication that they value her contribution to the team. By not holding her to her contract, which they have every right to do, not only do Bayern please her but Bayern are also seen as the good guys, which is what they are. In short, a smart PR move.

          In the long-term those American lasses who miss out on the college draft might be the main benefitters in this soup because of the depth and width of the US talent pool, they could be getting contracts. The others are those who play for or have elected to play for other nations.

          • Guenther Netzer-Kant

            They do not hold her any longer cause a) it doesn’t make sense to hold a player who is keen to leave respectively would suffer from getting taken away the chances to play for the national team and b) cause they feel from human perspective its the right thing to do as both Bayern and Amber had a good relationship

            They do not let her go cause this is a PR move and cause they didn’t win the last games which reduced there chances to win the title or qualify for the CL.

          • Boston Red

            I’m saying that, in a professional environment, there is no reason to hold someone back if they aren’t happy (or would be happier elsewhere), especially if there isn’t a lot to gain financially (as in the men’s game). It’s better, in most cases, to move that player on and get someone who wants to be there.

      • kernel_thai

        BM has made some concessions they didnt have to make. Brooks and Tymrak were allowed to miss a match so they could play against Brazil. Tyreso similarly allowed their players to miss a match when they didnt have to. Still, at the end of the day if u play club in Europe u r going to miss games and practices. With the WWC drawing closer USSoccer wants their players available for matches and practices and that’s the bottom line.

    • Rdalford

      Brooks tweeted that she had contract option to return to us, which she choose to do. What reference do you have for her contract running thru June 2014? Wikipedia contains the June 2014 contract date, but footnotes they reference do not appear to support that date.

      • Steglitz49

        “We respect her desire to … and do not want to put obstacles in her way.” It sounds as if Bayern could have insisted but chose to voluntarily give up their right. Generous Bayern.

        The damage is done. No sensible foreign manager ought sign an American. We shall see what the long-term effect is.

  • JN West

    European managers really need to calm down. She can not understand why the US wants the best American players for their new league which they are trying to grow? She can’t understand why a young player like Brooks is trying to break into the Senior team before a World Cup?

    • newsouth

      It’s the penalty system with the NT and its’ ridiculous culture. You don’t comeback to the NWSL, you don’t make the squad or get limited – garbage playing time. You don’t see this nonsense with the MNT.

      • Ben

        So don’t see the men playing for pennies on the dollar also. It’s the sacrifice players have to make as national teams are in the driver seat right now.

        • newsouth

          what about the players making good money like pinoe, etc.? you’re telling me the coaches are too stupid to coordinate a squad in 18 mths – 2 yrs with some players coming in and out. the NT plays a darn club schedule. how many months do they need before the WC to have the 23 players clicking. if it’s 18 mths, then something is wrong. their top 15-16 rotation should be ready to go by de 2014. the other 6 months are just touch up.

          • newsouth

            brazil played two friendly before the 2007 WC and wrecked everyone but Germany. Something isn’t right at FC USWNT if they need two years and still out of sync by the summer of 2015 because 3 to 5 players were making some money in europe.

          • Ben

            And yet and still you are the same one crying on here about the CBA (?) not caring about the players

          • Ben

            You do know that the WCQ campaign for the US starts in 2014 right? That means there might be some camps that do not fall within FIFA window that players will need to be available for.
            For European countries, having an impromptu 3-4 day camp is not a problem because all their players are within a few hours plane, train or bus ride away. For the US, this is not the case and an example is in the article above where at times it takes 23 hours plus for players to come over.

          • Steglitz49

            Interest in national teams trump club teams on the men’s as well as the ladies’ side, as witness the viewing figures and attendances for events like the World Cup and the Euro. In that sense, the USSF is right in prioritizing success in WC-15. Indeed, without success in Canada the whole NWSL could go the way of the USS Maine.

            In a larger sense, club soccer for the ladies seems here to stay. Provided the wealthy teams now stay loyal, it will grow in the rich soccer leagues, and the days when teams from Sweden, Denmark and Norway could make an impact in the ladies Champions league will soon be history, as it is for the men. Were that scenario to hold and the NWSL survives for another 5 years, will we could end up with two parallel soccer universes.

            One would be the NWSL fed by the NCAA and the other would be the European scene with their domestic leagues and cups and the Champions League. It is worth being mindful that up to 30-40 years ago club soccer and leagues were just as vibrant in South America as in Europe but this has not been the case for a long time.

      • Steglitz49

        For once I agree with you. It is unfair of USSF to put limits on the freedom of players. Capitalism built the US; the NWSL seems like communism by the back door.

        • Joshua

          A quick comment.

          This isn’t “communism by the back door”. This is feudalism.
          At the very least, it is “restraint of trade”.
          Some would argue that slavery built the US, at least until the American Civil War, not capitalism. The point is arguable that the US had a “free market” economy for about a century after the civil war. Whether the USA has a free market economy today is something that could be argued to infinity.

          • Steglitz49

            Thank you.”Serfdom” might have been a better term but nothing gets the goat of the American people like “communism”.

          • Silver Frost

            No, no, it’s pure capitalism. The capitalist wants no competition. Monopolists like to control the market, and NWSL controls the market in USA. They call the tune. Play or go elsewhere.

        • kernel_thai

          And capitalism would prevail. That’s what happened in the men’s game. If Bayern wanted Brooks undying love they should have paid thru the teeth for it. U didnt see Rapinoe running back because she actually makes more on the club side than on the NT side. If Brook were making Rapinoe money she wouldnt be asking out either.

          • Steglitz49

            How do you know that they did not offer her more? The explanations others have given, that it is a mixture of generosity to the individual and a understanding of good image, makes sense.

    • Elaine

      Club managers don’t have NT priorities in mind and federations don’t give a hoot about clubs, least of all when both are not within the same country.

      • Steglitz49

        If it were a free market, USSF or Portland would have to match what Bayern were willing to pay. The player, in this case Amber, would earn more. What is wrong with that?

        • TsovLoj

          In a non-subsidized free market, the Euro teams wouldn’t exist. The Thorns are probably the only top-flight women’s club team on the planet that could carry their own fiscal weight were the subsidies and artificial backing to disappear, and make a profit on their own..

          • gerd karl

            bayern münchen is the richest football club in the world, no owe, and can all us national player pay.

            no us club or ussoccer have more money as bayern münchen

          • JAMES

            REAL MADRID is the richest football club in the world,NOT BAYERN. 2nd richest is MAN. UTD.

          • Steglitz49

            Your point is well taken, and I though that Barcelona was richer also. But, does that include the revenues that Bayern got from winning the Champions League?

            Also, there is some issue in the men’s game about how much the big teams owe and how you value what they own. Bayern Munich is comparatively free of debt and has a god position regarding the stadium where they play.

          • JAMES

            Of course, including champions League.

          • Steglitz49

            Teams and private individuals are free to spend their money on what they like. Yes. America has an awful lot of wealthy women. Where are they when women’s soccer could do with a hand in the good ol’ US of A?

            As I typed elsewhere, women’s soccer around the world is subsidized. Ladies teams just differ in who picks up the tab. The ladies help each other too. Frankfurt sent Umeå money when they got into financial trouble and last season FF helped Duisburg stay out of debtors prison.

            Of the wealthy clubs only a few, like Arsenal, even bothered with their ladies. Then Lyon started spending and John Terry stopped Chelsea closing their ladies division — Man Utd did close theirs a few years earlier.

            Yes. Wolfsburg belong to VW. What stops Microsoft or Apple from running women’s soccer teams?

          • TsovLoj

            Microsoft being in Seattle, which already has a team, for one.

          • Steglitz49

            Either you are being purposely obtuse or else I do not understand your comment.

            Please explain, because this bear of little brain does not follow your line of thought.

          • TsovLoj

            Nobody’s going to try to set up a fresh team if there already is one in their town. Seattle already had a fight between two applicants and one won out. Microsoft wouldn’t want to fight that fight again for a venture that likely doesn’t get them any profit in the first place.

          • Steglitz49

            Everton and Liverpool, United and City, Milan and Inter, Genoa and Sampdoria. AIK, Djurgården, Hammarby and Tyresö. How many more examples do you need?

            How about the Microsoft NWSL? By paying the NWSL $5m a year, it would mean that with a 12 team league about 15 players per team were guaranteed to earn $25k a year. It is, after all, the Barclays Premier League in England, after the bank that has sponsored the whole shebang.

          • TsovLoj

            Europe cares about soccer in a way the US does not. Different rules apply. LA’s huge and it’s apparently not big enough for Chivas and the Galaxy both.

          • Silver Frost

            EU is basically a one sport region, football. USA has so many more options, NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA, MLS.

          • Steglitz49

            The English have cricket. Some countries in Europe play icehockey, of which Sweden are the current world champs, and baseball is some local variation of the old game rounders. The Europeans in winter settle in for skiing events — cross-country, alpine and shooting (called biathlon these days) — speed skating and curling. If things get really desperate there is bandy and handball, though for bandy you need your so called “bandy briefcase”.

          • Steglitz49

            The cynic would reply that Europeans care about soccer. Period.

            As I remember the Los Angeles Rams have not played in a LA for quite a while. LA seems to care about basket, both men’s and ladies.

            Where is the Time-Warner or AOL women’s team?

        • Elaine

          USSF does not have to do anything to entice players to play for them. The players are running to them because after all, being on the NT is the ultimate goal and a dream for most.

          • Steglitz49

            That is not totally true, and you know it is not the whole story.

            Bayern indicate that in a free world Amber would stay with them but they are generous and releasing her from her contract — which happens to be good PR for Bayern too.

          • kernel_thai

            It is a free world and she could have stayed with BM…it just would have been harder to make the roster for WWC. I havent heard word one about Tobin Heath leaving PSG because she likely believes she makes the roster either way. Brooks isnt in the position. She may leave BM and still not figure in this cycle. The only thing USSoccer is doing is being honest with her. I dont remember her being kidnapped and deprogrammed.

          • Steglitz49

            If you believe that, you’ll believe anything.

    • Steglitz49

      Does, not can’t. The manager actually says that that she DOES understand why a young player like Brooks wants to play at home to improve her chances to break into the Senior team before a World Cup. That is the reason that Bayern does not stand in Amber’s way by holding her to her contract. It is generous — and smart PR.

      It would be interesting to know what the difference in income was last season between playing for Bayern and playing as an unallocated draftee in the NWSL. Also, Bayern are wealthy enough in a free market to have outbid USSF for Amber. As it is they have signed a Swedish international midfielder.

      • kernel_thai

        I dont know but I would bet Brooks takes a pay cut…but if she gets subsidized by the NT her pay doubles or triple over what she made in BM. It’s a gamble.

  • Boston Red

    I’ve seen the “pressure” commented a couple of times, but is it really talking about pressure from the USSF or from the players themselves to get onto the team? It is such awkward phrasing that it can be interpreted a couple of different ways.

    Here’s the translated statement through Google:

    Manager Karin Danner: “We regret the decision of Amber Brooks. It has proven many times in the past year that it is one of the pillars in the team and has matured with us to the A national team. Your desire to better to put into the U.S. national team by spatial proximity foot, we respect and want to Amber put no obstacles in the way. However, we can not understand, the U.S. federation has on players who did not play in the U.S. printing. For the time at Bayern, we would like to thank Amber and wish her ​​every success for the future. ”

    Here’s the original German:

    Managerin Karin Danner: “Wir bedauern die Entscheidung von Amber
    Brooks. Sie hat im vergangenen Jahr mehrfach bewiesen, dass sie zu den
    Stützen im Team gehört und ist bei uns zur A-Nationalspielerin gereift.
    Ihren Wunsch, in der US-Nationalmannschaft durch räumliche Nähe besser
    Fuß zu fassen, respektieren wir und möchten Amber keine Steine in den
    Weg legen. Jedoch können wir den Druck nicht nachvollziehen, den der
    US-Verband auf Spielerinnen ausübt, die nicht in den USA spielen. Für
    die Zeit beim FC Bayern möchten wir uns bei Amber bedanken und wünschen
    ihr für die Zukunft viel Erfolg.”

    Any of our German speakers want to take a shot at it?

    • Guenther Netzer-Kant

      My translation: We regret the decision of Amber Brooks. She proved various times within last year that she is a key player in the team and has grown to a national player with us. We respect her desire to improve her chances to play for the US national team by playing at home ground and do not want to put obstacles in her way. However, we do not understand the pressure the US federation is applying to the US players which are not playing in the US. We want thank Amber and wish her every success in the future

      • Boston Red

        Thanks. I never assume the mechanical translations get the subtlety of the statement.

    • gerd karl

      we not shot of amber brooks, amber brooks is a very good player and we wish all the best.

      BUT ussoccer sucks, ussoccer is SCHEISSE.

      • Boston Red

        Thanks for such deep and intellectual commentary.

        Your teachers must be so proud.

        • gerd karl

          oh yes, my old teacher is very proud

          • JAMES

            LOL !!!

    • kernel_thai

      If the BM manager doesnt understand then she should take Lena Lotzen or Leoni Meier aside and simply ask them. Ask them if they would hesitate at leaving BM if they were told it increased their chances of being on the German WWC squad. Maybe they can explain. If BM wanted to adopt an open door policy similar to what the NWSL has, likely Brooks would still be playing their. In the NWSL, when the NT ask the players r released regardless of games, practices or the opinions of the individual teams. Not just US players but all the NT players. Now it prolly wouldnt be the best for BM and Im not saying they should, but they certainly could have done that.

  • Elaine

    Tyreso may be hopeful to keep Ash and Kriegs around for their CL run. But DC has the final say since these two were only on a loan basis. I can’t imagine that DC would want to start their season without their most popular players.

    • Silver Frost

      Their case is interesting. We’ll see who has more clout, the players or DC. The other three TFF women re-upped for an entire season. NWSL has no claims on them. The WNT can also ignore them. I have no clue as to where Press is going, except that she’ll be in Sweden in the Spring and not in Houston!

      • Elaine

        Are you sure the TFF trio signed for a whole season? Report says only until June, and may come back sooner if Tyreso go out early in the CL.

        • Ben

          newsouth chose to ignore the reports stating they are only signed for the Swedish spring season which ends sometime in June.

        • Silver Frost

          TFF website said USSF agreed to let them sign through next season, which means mid-June. I complained abut this half-season nonsense in a previous post.

        • Starbuck819

          The club would never agree to that. The roster is frozen until after the spring season. If they sign it will be to play through that end date, not CL. Otherwise they leave themselves short on players. Any lost game will hurt them so I don’t see them cutting players loose early or agreeing to that.

          • Elaine

            Please clarify. What club are you referring to?

          • Starbuck819

            TFF. They won’t let players go until the summer break because they have no ability to replace them until after that. They won’t let players go until then. Not whenever their CL run is over even if early.

          • Ben

            And is the summer break in June? Well I hope they have a way of replacing Krieger and Harris.

          • Elaine

            Steg posted earlier that TFF had signed a new goalkeeper from Finland’s NT for 2 yrs.

          • Steglitz49

            It has been clear for a while now that Tyresö are planning for life after their American players leave, and anyone else. Most Swedes hope that they will try to play with more Swedish lasses in their line-up. Time will tell.

          • Steglitz49

            The club that the troll carries in the sagas?

        • Steglitz49

          My interpretation of the tea-leaves is as yours. The club will release these players once their Champions League run is over in order that they can take up any offers in the NWSL.

          As far as I know, no woman player has been sued for breach of contract, though Gbg allegedly were contemplating going after the lady who replaced Christen but left them in the lurch half-way thru, not least after she resurfaced in Australia.

  • Jigsawwill

    Well of course they want their stars to be paying in the States. They are trying to grow the league. Bayern thinks US players are being pressured to move back to USA in order to have a chance at playing in the World Cup. There maybe some truth to this but who cares. I would hope that a players decision to play in Europe wouldnt affect their standing but we know it does. I think in the next two to three years all of the US stars will be playing in the States.

    The NWSL has the goal of being the best women’s league in the world and they actually have a chance to do it. You cant compare the Men to the Ladies its not even comparable. The best teams and players in the world will ALWAYS be in the Europe when it comes to the guys. Listen to what the Portland thorns owner said, he wants the Thorns to the best women’s FC in the world. The US have a real chance to grab hold of womens soccer and push it forward.

    • Silver Frost

      “The US have a real chance to grab hold of women’s soccer and push it forward.” More power to them.

      • gerd karl

        a league has only five months play time, is not a good league.

        • Steglitz49

          To be fair to the NWSL, that is not by their own choice. The teams hire stadia and the owners of those stadia need them for their own games. As you ken well, most American soccer is played on grid-iron fields, compete with markings which makes it a bit strange to watch the games.

      • Steglitz49

        After two failed attempts clearly a new model is needed. If the US can find a way of running a financially viable league where players are paid a reasonable wage, then all women soccer players around the globe will benefit.

        If the NWSL degenerates into serfdom it will do untold damage.

    • gerd karl

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    • Davis

      I think the World Cup is the primary reason that US Soccer wants players to return to the US. The World Cup is ultimate goal. Almost everything else US Soccer does, including supporting the NWSL, is done with the goal of putting the national team in a better position to win World Cups.

      The primary date US Soccer seems to their player back in the US by seems to be mid-summer of 2014. This doesn’t do the NWSL a whole lot of good, as the season is already half way over, but it’s perfect timing for the USWNT to start ramping up for world cup qualifying. The USSF doesn’t want to have to fight with clubs to get players into camps outside of FIFA dates. And let’s be honest, FIFA dates are not enough to build a cohesive team.

      • Steglitz49

        FIFA dates are good enough for the men and women outside the US, so why are they not good enough for the US?

        • kernel_thai

          Because of the way the clubs r build in Europe. In D1 a large portion of the French NT play together at Lyon. In Germany most of the NT players r on Frankfurt or Wolfsburg. In the NWSL u rarely ave more than three NT players on a team.

          • Ben

            As well as the fact that even if a German national is playing in France, that’s like what, an hour away? (pardon my geography)

          • gerd karl

            the german national players come from, frankfurt, wolfsburg, bayern, turbine potsdam, bayer leverkusen, freiburg, malmö and paris st german.

          • Steglitz49

            That is the admirable structure of the NWSL. They make an attempt to even out the playing field so it is reasonably level. It is a fascinating feature of some American sports. It goes totally against the social and business culture in the US.

        • Davis

          National teams on the men’s side suffer because of the relatively small amount of time they play together. It’s a rare men’s national team that can match the level of play of the best clubs in the world. The difference is that on the men’s side the club contracts are so lucrative that no one would walk away from their club for the national team, so national teams make do with what time they can get. Women’s soccer isn’t there yet.

    • treehill

      They are trying to grow the league.

      I think this is the key. It has nothing to do with keeping players in the US to evaluate them better.

      It is 2013 and every competent sports franchise in the world has the ability to scout players internationally (even the poorest NWSL teams!). USS really wants to grow the NWSL and they are using strongarm leverage to do so.

      The question is, are they justified?

      I think YES, if the NT treats players fairly, i.e. gives them ample minutes and starts in order to prove themselves, instead of playing veterans for 90 minutes, then they are be justified in asking players to play in the NWSL.

      I think NO, if the NT treats players like crap and gives them paltry minutes and starts, screw ‘em. They are not justified in asking players to play in the NWSL.

  • Starbuck819

    2010 is the year comparable to 2014, not 2011. America is calling it’s players home a full year earlier than any country did in the last cycle. You have to compare apples to apples. In this case the US is doing something very odd which is why it has received official comments from those in the know.

    Players abroad are getting much more field time every year than they will here. Playing games is where you develop. Playing a short season in the states and standing around kicking a ball against a wall or running on a treadmill while waiting for a sporadic NT camp falls short of the development time German players get.

    It is ridiculous we aren’t encouraging our players to be abroad. Young players like Leroux, Brooks, Press, Morgan, etc should be taking a hint from Fishlock and find places to play even if it does mean travel problems for non FIFA window camps. Keeping your schedule open for the occasional camp is ridiculous. Now they are saying they need more camps because players aren’t doing anything. Um… you caused your own problem. The few players who are trying to better themselves are being pressured into quitting their good situations to join the players sitting around living off of camp scraps while waiting around for the NWLS’s short season.

    • Silver Frost

      What sort of competition did Brooks have in Germany? Six games agaisnt world class players at Frankfurt, Potsdam, VW. Hardly worth the effort. It’s better to go to a camp with the best in the world, then play in NWSL.

      • newsouth

        i beg to differ. playing in sweden and going to usa camps have made press one of the best strikers in the world, a completely different press that left magicjackup. pinoe makes better mid-field decisions when she wants to but i would attribute the improvements to playing with the french girls

        • Silver Frost

          Megan has been relegated to D2 for failing to follow orders at OL. Not fitting in to the alleged superior Euro style of play. What you say about Press is interesting, but Morgan, Wambach, Leroux don’t waste time in the EU, and they are starters for WNT. Press is not.

          • Boston Red

            Is Disqus messing with us or does “Starbuck819″ have multiple personalities? I’m sure it will sort itself out, but I see 3 Starbuck819 responses above.

          • Silver Frost

            Yesterday I saw “gerd karl” metamorphose into “nike/adidas” man.

          • Boston Red

            I really like a good schizophrenic comment fight.

          • Silver Frost

            I would sign in with my Disqus account like everybody else, but I don’t like typing in my huge password every time I want to say something.

          • Boston Red

            I refreshed and it went away, but you and newsouth showed up as “Starbucks 819″ in this thread, which doesn’t even have him/her commenting.

          • kernel_thai

            I find the more comments the more kinky Disqus gets.

          • Steglitz49

            Hear hear! The more the merrier.

          • ctsmith73

            Yeah, and Gerd Karl just posted something positive.

          • Jigsawwill

            That was for one game she started for the first team a few days ago.

          • Starbuck819

            That was one game weeks ago. She is back. Heck in the last game she had a flying header and scored twice against a good squad. Watch a few games. It would help you know what’s going on.

          • Silver Frost

            I watch the weekly highlight show. 1899 Hoffenheim is not adequate competition for a WNT player. Sorry.

          • gerd karl

            i watch the games in the nwsl last season, and sorry, the nwsl clubs are not adequate competition for all players in the world.

          • Silver Frost

            Our worst NWSL squad would destroy all of your teams except Frankfurt.

          • gerd karl

            never, the best german second division clubs destroy all nwsl clubs,

            and sindelfingen destroy the nwsl champion with 6-0.

          • xman22702

            The NWSL just has more equal teams, that’s all. The biggest win in the NWSL was 5-1, and in the Bundesliga, teams like Sindelfigen and Hoffenheim get sacked every week. We use the draft system for equality, while they just sign all the good players to Wolfsburg, Potsdam and Frankfurt and use the relegation system. Sindelfigen would probably GET destroyed by the Washington Spirit 6-0.

          • gerd karl

            very funny, sindelfingen destroy seattle fc 12-0 and then the spirit, the spirits are better, 5-0.

          • xman22702

            What are you talking about?

          • Guenther Netzer-Kant

            Hoffenheim is not getting destroyed every week. They draw Bayern 2:2, they beat Freiburg and they lost to Turbine unluckely 2:3 (the same Turbine which beat Lyon).
            Sindelfingen for sure has not the quality to play Bundesliga but this is an exception caused by the withdrawel of Bad Neuenahr.

            And yes the NWSL has more equal teams. I agree on that. But that doesn’t necesarily mean that the quality is better. Else you could argue that the MLS is better than the English Premierleague

          • Steglitz49

            I expect Hoffenheim might well stay up. If Duisburg can’t sort out their finances then Hoffs will.

          • Steglitz49

            There is a lot of merit in the system of trying to keep the teams even, like the NFL has done for decades. European soccer is more like MLB where the rich get richer and the poor go to the wall. One is capitalistic while the other communistic.

            If the current revolution of the ladies game continues apace, what took 30 years for the men will be completed in a fraction of that time for the lasses. It probably won’t have penetrated fully by WC-15 but as like as not by WC-19.

          • JAMES

            Press is not because that decision is not based on merit, its based on Politics and Favoritism and maybe out of spite.

          • Steglitz49

            Pinoe has been a disappointment at Lyon. Whose fault that is an interesting question. Unfortunately, she missed a sitter against Potsdam and as a result Lyon are out of the Champions League.

        • guest

          Press has certainly improved by moving to Sweden, but Pinoe doesn’t seem much different.

    • pippa_spa

      I agree. But I think that players may have the option of doing what they want.
      If you want to stay in the States and do the NWSL/ Training camps, do it. If you want to play abroad and go with you national teams on FIFA dates, do it.
      What I don’t understand is putting pressure on the players to follow certain path.

    • Jigsawwill

      I actually agree with you. its better to be playing matches than to be sitting around down nothing in this long ass off season. I dont think we are telling players to not go on loan in Europe I think they want them under contract for the NWSL thats for sure.

      • Silver Frost

        Take the situation of Jess Fishlock: one week after Seattle’s season ended she began playing for Glasgow City; sprinkle in a few Welsh NT qualifiers; one day after leaving Glasgow she played for Melbourne Victory, and she’ll be with them until Seattle camp in two months. I ask this: what kind of shape will she be in for a whole NWSL season?

        • Steglitz49

          How much does Seattle pay Ms Fishlock? The young lady is Welch, not a hotbed of soccer in spite of Gary Bale, Aaron Ramsey and Ryan Griggs.

      • Ben

        Exactly, this is why no one is mad about Tymrak in Germany because we all know she will be back come the start of NWSL.

    • Elaine

      Look at the German squad that played in the Algarve in Mar. 2010. All were in the Bundesliga.

      GOALKEEPERS (2): 1-Nadine Angerer (FFC Frankfurt), 12-Ursula Holl (FCR Duisburg);
      DEFENDERS (6): 3-Saskia Bartusiak (FFC Frankfurt), 4-Babett Peter (FFC Turbine Potsdam), 5-Annike Krahn (FCR Duisburg), 15-Sonja Fuss (FC Köln), 22-Bianca Schmidt (FFC Turbine Potsdam), 29-Lena Goeßling (SC 07 Bad Neuenahr)
      MIDFIELDERS (11): 7-Melanie Behringer (Bayern Munich), 9-Birgit Prinz (FFC Frankfurt), 11-Anja Mittag (FFC Turbine Potsdam), 13-Célia Okoyino da Mbabi (SC 07 Bad Neuenahr), 14-Kim Kulig (Hamburger SV), 16-Martina Müller (VfL Wolfsburg), 18-Kerstin Garefrekes (FFC Frankfurt), 19-Fatmire Bajramaj (FFC Turbine Potsdam), 20-Jennifer Zietz (FFC Turbine Potsdam), 27-Alexandra Popp (FCR Duisburg), 28-Nadine Kessler (FFC Turbine Potsdam)
      FORWARDS (1): 8-Inka Grings (FCR Duisburg)

      • gerd karl

        this players played in the best women football league in the world.

        why should they go abroad.

        • kernel_thai

          Angerer is Australia now and will be playing in the NWSL in 2014…maybe u should ask her.

          • gerd karl

            she is 35 years old, she play in the nwsl for a pension.

      • Steglitz49

        It would be interesting to learn how much the clubs paid them, and how that compares with current pay in the NWSL.

        Incidentally, last season Duisburg went into the red. They managed, partl through the help of FF, to sort out their finances enough to be allowed to continue — if you go bankrupt, you get demoted 2 leagues — but this year again Dbg are in financial dire straits, if not the naked dead yet.

        • Elaine

          Ask gerd karl about the pay since he/she is so into the Bundesliga.

          • gerd karl

            the fcr duisburg paid the top players in 2009-2011 8000 euro a mounth.

        • gerd karl

          the fcr duisburg paid in the years 2009-2011 his top players too much content.

          if means that the top player 8000 euro a mounth earned.

          the fcr duisburg won 2009, the german cup 2009 and the uefa womens cup 2009, champions league.

          • Steglitz49

            8000€/month is 100k€ per year or about $125k per year. The lower paid players got what? 40k€ ($50) per year, or even less?

      • Steglitz49

        Bad Neuenahr has gone bankrupt and Duisburg almost did last season and looks like going into the red this season. It is tough to be a woman’s soccer club in Europe.

        • gerd karl

          in the usa doomed the womens football LEAGUES all 2 years,
          wusa, wps and in 2 years the nwsl.

          it is tough to be a womens football league in the usa.

          • Steglitz49

            The NWSL looks as if it might survive provided that the US wins the WC in Canada in 2015. Well understood, the NWSL survives not only by being semi-pro, like the European leagues, but by not paying their players too much.

            Were the US, however, not to win WC-15, the NWSL would be batting on a sticky wicket, and were the NT also not win OG-16, then it probably is goodbye.

    • Ben

      The WPS ran from 2009 to 2011, in that time, how many Germans do you think played here? They basically had an embargo on their players playing outside of Germany and that include other European countries.
      Again, the US are not recalling these players to sit around and do nothing during the off season. In fact, they are encouraged to play in other leagues with the carveat that they will not miss any NWSL games when the season starts.

    • JAMES

      There was no need to bring people back in 2010 because we had the WPS. The most loaded ,talent-wise , Women soccer league to ever exist to date. Majority of the world’s best players were here. The money was flowing to some extent so there was no need to go abroad.
      With the exception of KRIEGS, there was nobody of significance out there in Europe.

    • treehill

      USS is trying to grow the NWSL. From that view, doing what’s best for individual player development is low priority.

    • kernel_thai

      And the other side of it is complaint the players r exhausted. Players r breaking down. They play a 10 month club season with most of the better players have the full cup matches plus UEFA Cl. Then when the break comes they have WWC or WWC qualifiers or Olympics or Euros and suddenly the NT player r going 12 months a year. Five months is too short but non stop play isnt the answer either.

      • Steglitz49

        Which ladies league plays for 10 months? 7 yes, 8 also, few play for 9 months.

        • just

          france:
          31 august – 22 december
          19 january – 8 june

          germany:
          7 sept – 8 december (*)
          15 feb – 8 june

          teams begin training in general 2-3 weeks before the competition
          and internationals players have the euro WC or OG around july

          (*) 2 months winter-break because germany have harder winter, but D1 clubs participate to Hallenpokal. (indoor soccer) in middle of january

          • Steglitz49

            None of these leagues play 10 months.

            The French league did indeed kick off on 31-Aug and closes down for winter on 22-Dec to restart on 19-Jan and plays it last match 01-June. The 8th of June is the French Cup final, between 2 teams. The French play 9 months.

            As for the Germans they started on 7-Sep and do indeed play to 8-Dec, though two rearranged matches are scheduled to be played between then and Christmas. They restart on 23-Feb (15-Feb is a rescheduled match) and end on 8-June. Thus, they essentially play just over 8 months.

  • pippa_spa

    I think we are facing two different football cultures here:

    1. NT as priority and the club is used as a tool to train and develop the players, federations make strong suggestions in order to improve the chances of getting into the roster. (USA)

    2. Club is the priority during the season, is seen as at goal in itself, if you do well at your club you get a call for your NT. (Europe, South America..)

    We see that in schedules, camps, money from federations , transfers…
    I disagree that this aldo happens in the men’s game, unless not in Europe. Look at the top clubs, they are a melting pot of nationalities.

    Solution: I don’t know.
    Consecuences: European top clubs are getting more and more reluctant to sign American players, let’s see how this thing with Tyresö ends.

    • Jigsawwill

      I don’t think the clubs themselves feel that way in the States.

      • JAMES

        Because it benefits them if players are being pressured to come home. So why should they say something against it?

        • Steglitz49

          Hear hear!

          • jake

            Hogwash. It’s the player’s choice. European managers need to stop being butt hurt

          • Steglitz49

            It would seem that European managers have got the message loud and clear. It will be interesting to see how this works out. The obvious path forward is to sign players that are not impacted by the USNT system.

            To continue to benefit from NCAA training, one option would be to sign college players eligible for countries other than the US like Philippines or wherever. FSU has a fair sprinkling of foreign lasses.

    • Steglitz49

      The woman member of UEFA’s executive committee has made clear that UEFA sees women’s soccer as a game based in clubs, on to which there is a superstructure of NTs — that is your #2. This is UEFA’s policy.

      There is nothing like the NCAA outside of the US except for its equivalent in Canada. If a young lady wants to play soccer, it is through a club, and soccer is not a path to higher education and a place at university. Some of the best soccer colleges in the US are also among the world’s top universities.

      Self-evidently someone like Alex Morgan earns a lot from her off-field activities. She no doubt earns more that her equivalent in other countries like Japan, Germany or France. Excellent. Well done Alex.

      But, why should there be limitations on the rights of young women to move about in a free market? If Bayern or Liverpool are willing to pay more than USSF/NWSL, why should these women not be allowed to move freely?

      • Ben

        Again, no one is stopping them. Playing on the NT is a privilege. If the USSF decides that it needs people on the national team to play here, then these players need to make a choice: Should I play in the US with a chance of playing to the NT or take my chances and play over seas? The choice is that simple. We all make similar choices in our non soccer related careers and I don’t see how this situation is any different.

        • Steglitz49

          If you tell young ladies that unless you play in the US you will not be selected, you are stopping them and putting limits on their aspirations.

          But, let’s look on the bright side of life. This gives other young ladies a chance to advance their careers. Life goes on.

          • Ben

            Umm, that’s the reality of life. How is this different from getting an awesome job but your employing telling you you can’t work from home. I would like to do it but I can’t. If the playing conditions were severely terrible by comparison, than I’ll understand but it is not. Also, as I stated earlier, they stay have to opportunity to play in other leagues during the off season.

          • Steglitz49

            You ask: “How is this different from getting an awesome job but …” — it is different in this respect:
            – Officially Amber has not been given a place in the WC-15 squad. The issue under discussion is, that to be considered for the NT, she must come back to the US and play in the NWSL from the outset, which necessitated her asking Bayern to release her early from her contract — which Bayern to their credit has done.

            In short, USSF has interfered in the relationship between a club and one of their players signed in good faith. This interference seems to be the cause of Bayern’s statement.

            One has some sympathy for Bayern Munich.

          • Rdalford

            Brooks tweeted that she had contract option which she choose not to take. It would appear from her perspective that she believes she fulfilled terms of the contract.

          • Steglitz49

            “We respect her desire to … and do not want to put obstacles in her way.” It sounds as if Bayern could have insisted but chose to voluntarily give up their right. Generous Bayern.

            The damage is done. No sensible foreign manager ought sign an American. We shall see what the long-term effect is.

          • Ben

            No I do not have such sympathy. Again, as someone mentioned, the ball is always in the player’s court. Do you honestly believe if someone like Solo, Wambach or Morgan decided to play oversea that USSF will have any leverage over them? The answer is no. However, for fringe players who haven’t reached that status yet, USSF is not going to bend over backwards for some club team.

          • boy pls…

            Do you honestly believe Brooks can be compared to Solo, Morgan or Wambach?
            They make US Soccer money, they can get away with (almost) anything.
            Brooks is an up and comer, she can’t afford to piss anyone off just yet.

          • Ben

            Well that’s what I’m saying. Brooks is not at that level yet so she have to make sacrifices to ensure that she makes the team. Players on the level of Solo and Wambach have more leverage and thus can do what they want with little or no impact on their chances of making the team.

          • Steglitz49

            “She [Brooks] has to make sacrifices” — strictly speaking the young lady is not making a sacrifice. It is Bayern who do out of the kindness of their heart and generosity of spirit.

            It could be argued that it is the next wave of young American players who risk making sacrifice if teams around the world take their cue from Bayern, PSG, Liverpool and Real Tyresö. We can see the dialogue in our minds, can’t we?

            – “So, you are a player who did not make the NWSL draft but would come and play for us [insert wealthy European club]. But, if you shine for us, you will be off back to the US to improve your chances to play for the USWNT. We understand you, which is why we prefer to sign young ladies from Nigeria, Ghana and the Faeroe Islands. They are also cheaper.” — “Que?! You promise to serves us all your playing life. The problem is your forebears did just that but we learnt the hard way. Once bitten, twice shy. Tough.”

          • Steglitz49

            Hear hear! Verily and forsooth. Listen to the boy because the boy understands the lay of the land.
            Thank you kindly, my good sir.

          • Jake

            Brooks tweeted she wanted to come back not that she was pressured so….

          • JAMES

            Do you really expect AMBER to tweet that she was pressured by USSF come home if that’s what truly happened?

          • jake

            Yes I do. USA free country.. USSF doesn’t control twitter accounts you troll

          • newsouth

            do really think Press would call out Wambach over MagicJack like Masar did? Lets be real.

          • Steglitz49

            The old maxim is: “Never apologize; never explain”. The fact that she needed to explain speaks volumes, loud and clear.

          • JAMES

            If you really expected AMBER to admit via twitter that she was pressured if that was truly the case then you are DUMBER than you sound.

          • Jake

            Not as dumb as you do troll.

          • JAMES

            Obviously you are dumb too . I’ve seen lotta TROLLS in my time but I haven’t seen one using a weird and stupid name as TsovLoj.
            Newsflash ,just because you are TROLLING doesn’t mean you have to use that stupid.

          • JAMES

            Accept my sincere apologies TsovLoj, Disqus was playing his usual tricks.It printed your name as the person calling me a troll above,hence I mentioned your name instead even though the reply went to the right person.

          • TsovLoj

            It’s cool, there’s been a lot of that computer confusion going on lately. TBH I agree with you about this, to a degree. She obviously isn’t going to go on Twitter and put the USSF on blast. I mean, Hope Solo might have in such a situation, but she’s not the norm. Most others have more sense than social bravery.

          • JAMES

            We all know you are TROLLING but you don’t have to be this DUMB.

          • Steglitz49

            Smart lady. She knows how her bread is buttered. Maybe wearing those dirndls and eating that knödel stuck in the teeth after a while.

      • Silver Frost

        How many Germans play in the NWSL. None. Why is that? Because they all play in the Bund, so Silvie can assess them more easily.

        • J.

          not ALL but i get your point.

        • gerd karl

          the us pro leagues doomed all 2 years, why should a german national player play then in the nwsl .

          in stable leagues plays german national players, anja mittag in swedish league, annike krahn and linda bresonik in the france league.
          oh, i forget, nadine angerer play for the pension in the nwsl.

        • Steglitz49

          Three to be pedantic. Grings and Fuss played for Chicago and Pohlers for DC, though in fairness they are former NT players. One Spanish NT player played for WNY and Fishlock for Seattle.

      • Lorehead

        I have to agree. This isn’t for the good of the sport or even of the U.S. national team. It’s just cronyism, a subsidy to millionaire team owners.

        • Jake

          Except for Brooks just tweeted she was pressured to come back she wanted to so get over it.

        • Jake

          Not pressured

          • Steglitz49

            Freudian slip?

          • jake

            If you want to believe she was pressured please do so. I myself will give the players own words more weight than two guys fabricating conspiracy theories on the internet.

  • gerd karl

    23 players get into the financial pool of ussoccer, that is, they get 30 000 dollars in year from ussoccer.
    in the camp are 31 players , so fall 8 players who are still in camp now from the promotion out.

    these 8 players or more are earning 30 000 dollars less, and will then have to search clubs in europe.

    but in germany there will be no more got out clauses.

  • gerd karl

    according bayern münchen, the us soccer association pressure on amber brooks has .
    http://www.fcbayern-frauenfussball.de

    • newsouth

      why did you post this? some peope here can’t handle the truth. think morgan is the reason for mls involvement in the nwsl. fc uswnt needs 18 mths plus of prep games just to get the squad in sequence. that’s mind boggling.

  • TsovLoj

    We functional midfield AND coaching now! Expecting very, very good things.

    • GUEST

      GERMANY WILL WIN WC 2015?

      • gerd karl

        yes, germany, world champion 2015.
        endgame, germany v usa 3-0, goals from lena lotzen. lina magull and lena gössling.

        • JAMES

          Is the GERMAN WNT better than the USWNT?

          • gerd karl

            yes

          • JAMES

            Come on gerd, GERMANY can win against US but it doesn’t necessarily mean they are better.
            Can you name any position that GERMANY is better at?

          • Steglitz49

            Japan are reigning world champions and the US did not reach the previous two finals, so some humility might not be amiss.

            Yes. The US is by far the greatest favorites to win WC-15 and no doubt they will be successful, but we play these tournaments for a reason. To find the next champions.

          • gerd karl

            no, the uswnt won Not the wwc 2015, no technik and tactic in his game.

            wwc 2015 endgame, germany v usa, 3-0, goals from lena lotzen, lina magull and lena gössling.

          • JAMES

            They kicked your ass with no Technique and tactics earlier this year at Algarve.

          • gerd karl

            yes, but the gwnt have a lot of injuries.
            and a new and nervous goali.

            germany missed 6 top player, she was injured
            see the uswnt with no, abby wambach, megan rapinoe, hope solo, alex morgan, ali krieger and christen press.

            that was the only win for the uswnt, 1-1, 2-2, 3-3 by the friendly games in the states and germany.

            and in germany has the uswnt already led 3-1, and by the end 3-3, this was not good from the uswnt.

          • JAMES

            OK, Mr Karl you said all your players were better ,but you know that’s not the case so lets leave it there.
            So what is your old teacher proud of ? LOL

          • gerd karl

            the players in the gwnt are all better as the players in the uswnt, and yes, my teacher very proud of me.

          • JAMES

            You said they were all better than the US players but now you saying they are AS BETTER AS the US players.Which is which Karl?And why is your teacher proud of you?I just want to know. :)

          • gerd karl

            my teacher is proud of me, for my perfect english

          • JAMES

            If you say so.

          • newsouth

            i think he is saying, it’s the old case of the athlete vs the pure position/skilled player. i would agree about A Cup the USA brought the better/healthier team, but again, the USA plays every game like it’s a final tournament match because of the money/bonus structure and other things when other nations are sometimes in testing like Brazil did in FL, loading the roster with 1st – 2nd time cappers with a couple of vets mixed in. We all the Germany and Brazil’s of the world will show up with full squads in June 15 minus injuries just like the USA. at the end of the day, they will have the superior footballers across the board, but they USA can switch to Boxx type ball to save the day and they can play that way nonstop for 120 mins. it aint pretty but it’s effective.

          • JAMES

            I would agree that some of their starters didn’t play. But is the GWNT better at every position like he said?
            Do they have a better GK? Better strikers? Maybe they have better DMs.

          • tom fruin

            I’m no fan of Neid, She leaves her flanks wide open cuz her fb’s are up field trying to be part of the attack. But In that particular game(Algarve Final), Germany just didn’t put out their best foot forward. Neid was either experimenting, or smitten at the time with Wolfsburg’s defenders. Her back lineup was
            ————-(gk)–Schult——————-
            Maier……..Wensing……Henning……..Faist

            which is sort of a B team squad, and got not just easily dismantled by Morgan, but last month too by Malmo’s(vs Wolfburg) quick fwd, Mellis.

            the new and improved German back line(with two coming from their excellent Frankfurt team) looks like this
            ————–(gk) Angerer
            Schmidt…….Krahn……….Bartusiak………Maier

            plus now a healthier Bajmaraj(probably Europe’s current best player) in their lineup

            I think you will see a more competitive lineup. Hope they meet again in the finals, It should be at least one helluva of a game!(though I’ll still take US at a 55-45 % faves)

          • JAMES

            Anything can happen in the game of soccer, but if the US put the right players on the field ,and by that I mean the right midfielders and strikers (ABBY not playing 90mins),their chances of winning is high.

          • Steglitz49

            Hear hear! Unless there is, heaven forbid, a sudden spate of injuries before WC-15, it is difficult to see anyone beating the US lasses. Granted in the knock-out phase anything can happen. In short, it is a game of two halves and the ball is round.

          • J.

            Actually the backline was
            Schult
            Maier-Wensing-Henning-Peter

            This was the complete line up
            SCHULT, PETER, MITTAG, MBABI, MAROZSAN, FAISST ODERBRECHT, GOESSLING, WENSING, HENNING, MAIER

            This was the US line up
            Barnhart
            Krieger,Engen,Buehler,Ohara
            Press,Averbuch,Boxx,Heath
            Leroux,Morgan

          • tom fruin

            Faisst plays fb for Wolfburg and looked liked she was assigned to defend Morgan, but who promptly ran ragged around her. But you could be right as Neid makes her girls play every which way but loose! The last game vs Croatia had this lineup(which is her most strongest)

            Angerer
            Schmidt, Krahn, Bartusiak, Maier
            Kessler, Goessling
            Mitag, Marozan, Bajramaj
            Sasic

            how do you think they might play against the very same US lineup?

          • Steglitz49

            Ms Bajramaj has gotten married and like Yuki Ogimi wants to play under her married surname. We have to get used to her being Mrs Alushi.

          • tom fruin

            oh no! they’ve taken away MyyyBABI from me, and now this………

            Steglitz, have you heard of this one, barely over 5 ft, 19 year old named Linda Dallmann? I think she has the potential to be the the best player in the world!(or lat least Germany’s answer to Marta!) If you have not seen her in action all ready then watch this game, she’s simply phenomenal!
            http://tv.dfb.de/index.php?view=6862

          • J.

            Morgans first goal
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHCa3M5gZfo
            Morgans second goal
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpPUPUCqOI8

            Schult was the GK for the Croatia game I believe.

            Same US lineup as the algarve final?

          • tom fruin

            your missing Morgan’s fantastic spin move around Faisst that nearly turned into a goal! and Morgan hiting the cross bar in the 2nd half.
            But again, Neid was using 2nd rate cb’s in Henning & Wensing. if Neid used her two best, Bartusiak & Krahn, things might of been different
            The Algave Cup is good little tounrament but it’s not really like the WC or the Olympics. Only one team out of each group gets to advance(compare that to WC where both Japan & US came in 2nd) and upo to 6 subs were allowed. It be a great match if the US & Germany would be matched up again. Hopefully Neid be better prepared and TS wouldn’t be in experimental stage(using Brooks as lone DM)

          • J.

            You know who i’d like to see TS try at DM at the Algarve next year? Julie Johnston.

          • JAMES

            On paper US is the best Team. But you’re right, we play the games for a reason. I just hope a certain veteran doesn’t get major minutes.

          • gerd karl

            all player in the german women national team are better as the uswnt.

            the youth player very good, lena lotzen, leonie maier, alexandra popp, tabea kemme, jennifer cramer, DZSENIFER MAROZSAN, melanie the beauty leupolz and sara däbritz.

          • Chris

            Last time I watched Marozsan playing against the US in a major tournament, she was being completely shut down by a US defense led by Julie Johnston in the U-20 WWC.

          • gerd karl

            you make a joke, very funny

          • Chris

            Not a joke. Just reminding you how ineffective she was in the final. Germany ran out of ideas in the second half of that game.

          • gerd karl

            yes, you make a joke.
            dzsenifer marozsan is better as all player in the uswnt.
            you see the game at 24.10.2012
            dzsenifer marozsan destroy the uswnt.

          • Joe

            Right sure she did and you are a clown

          • gerd karl

            i’m a german, we are always funny.

          • Joe

            Yeah kind of like a heart attack is funny

        • Pressured

          I agree with the lena lotzen goal. And one from celia.

          • tom fruin

            Lotzen plays too erratic. She tends to recklessly swing her body in close play. I predicted early on in the season on another message board(Big Soccer) that she’ll injure herself & sadly one week later she did just that. Unfortunately, the doctors still can’t seem to fix her foot after a couple of operations and she’ll be out for 6 six months

        • Lorehead

          Maybe if Lotta Schelin changes her name to Klaus-Heidi.

          • ctsmith73

            “Whoever did it, it was totally their own choice,” he says. “We’re not forcing anyone, we’re just showing an attractive prize.”

            lol

  • gerd karl

    jeff kassouf, please translate correctly what said manager karin danner.
    http://www.fcbayern-frauenfussball.de

  • gerd karl

    home coming trend, what a joke, if ussoccer says come back home or you’ll never play again in the national team of amerika.
    then come the even though of course they earn maybe 50% less in the nwsl.

    very very good for the club owner.

    • Jake

      Boom!!! Amber Brooks sets the record straight. She was not pressured to come back she wanted to so give it a rest.

      • Pressured

        Honestly, I think Brooks has the lead over Julie Johnston, Carli Lloyd and Averbuch for the DM position. Her chances of winning that role has to be a factor. Carli’s D breaks down into late leg lunges and moreover, she’ll push way up and Holiday will end up playing D.

        • Jale

          So that’s the players choice that doesn’t mean she was forced. It was her own choice to leave in her own words.

          • gerd karl

            of course, what it it supposed to write another.
            she is now in uswnt camp.

          • Elaine

            And you should be happy for her.

          • Steglitz49

            “Happiness is a cigar called Hamlet. The mild cigar.” — was an advertising slogan. The Constitution gives us the right to pursue happiness.

          • Jale

            I would expect her to say the truth something that is obviously foreign to yourself.

        • newsouth

          sermanni would have to bench lloyd if boxx doesn’t return to start brooks. hahaha, that’s not happening. he cant even ball up and bench wambach.

          • Steglitz49

            Carli Lloyd scored the goals that won the US the Olympic golds of 2008 and 2012. Without those olds the USNT would have had no significant trophies since 2004.

            It may well be that the time has come to put Ms Lloyd out to grass but it is not an easy decision to make for a head coach, given her pedigree. I feel for him.

          • ctsmith73

            Ball up? Really?

      • gerd karl

        yes, she was pressured to come back.
        they had to say on the pressure of ussoccer.

        that’s the truth.

        • Jake

          I’m sorry but you’re an idiot. She tweeted twice now clarifying her position. Think what you like.

          • gerd karl

            she is in the uswnt camp, what to write else.

          • gerd karl

            and please, no one here is an idiot
            everyone has their opinion.

          • AshleyWB

            Some opinions are stupid. For instance, the opinion of someone that Brooks was “forced” to come to the NWSL when she has clearly, unequivocally stated that was not the case, is a stupid opinion.

          • Steglitz49

            Not really. She could hardly say anything else if the aim of the early move was to improve her chances to be in the USWNT.

            I would have advised her to say nothing.

            Let’s hope that it works out for her. It is very competitive to get into the USNT. Not even Germany or Japan has such strength in depth and width to their talent pool.

          • Davis

            As you point out, Brooks could have chosen to say nothing. If she had truly been pressured to come back to the US, she likely would have said nothing. The fact that she went out of her way to make it known that she was not being pressured likely means that it’s the truth.

            Also, it’s not true that she could not have voiced her displeasure with the situation if coming back to the US wasn’t her preference. Other players, like Press, felt comfortable letting it be known that they wished to stay with their European clubs. In Brooks case, I think she really wanted to come home.

          • PMT

            It’s hard to say nothing when the Bayern statement is what it is. If she says nothing, it’s like agreeing. It would have been better for both her and USSF if USSF had made the statement, but it is what it is.
            And for anyone saying look at Twitter, Amber says she wasn’t pressured, take another sip of the Kool-Aid. No one is going to come out and say they were pressured into coming back if they want a shot at the NT. The point of pressuring someone is to get them to do what you want them to. It’s stupid to do that and then turn around and bite the hand.

          • Davis

            It’s not difficult at all to say nothing. If she had said nothing US Soccer could hardly of had a problem with that. The only reason to come out say that she wasn’t pressured is if she really wasn’t pressured and resents the implication that she was. Unless you think US Soccer is now pressuring Brooks to make tweets she doesn’t want to make. And if you think that, I think you’re nuts.

          • Steglitz49

            The issue here is that Bayern Munich released Ms Brooks from her contract early. They could have insisted on her honoring her contract but they chose not to. Both generous and good PR at the same time.

            It is too early to tell but one has to assume that the damage has been done. The coach of PSG has indicated that American players in line for their NT are more trouble than they are worth. Who wants to sign an American?

            Bev and Becky are back in the US. As for Ms Press? Once burnt, twice shy might apply.

          • Rdalford

            Brooks herself tweeted that she had contract option, which she choose not to take. It appears she believes she fulfilled contract, then choose to return to play in us.

          • Steglitz49

            “We respect her desire to … and do not want to put obstacles in her way.” It sounds as if Bayern could have insisted but chose to voluntarily give up their right. Generous of Bayern.

            The damage is done. Time will tell whether foreign managers sign Americans, and which.

          • gerd karl

            germanys u-17 is european champion 2013/2014, and moves to the world championchip 2014.
            the us u-17 moves Not to the world championchip 2014 in costa rica.

            in the german a-national team plays a many youth player, laura benkrath, 21, leonie maier, 21, melanie leipolz, 19, sara däbritz, 18, dzsenifer marozsan, 21, alexandra popp, 22, tabea kemme, 22, almuth schult 22, jennifer cramer, 20, luisa wensing, 20, isabella linden, 22, lena lotzen, 20, svenja huth, 22 and bianca schmidt 23.

            germany have more young players as the uswnt.

          • Jake

            Or could it be that she is a very young player who felt like she needed to set the record straight and didn’t ask USSF for advice? Stop with the nonsense. You are and your pal are just pissed that these players are choosing to come home in a World Cup qualifying year. Stop whining and making crap up.

          • gerd karl

            the players are NOT in the ussoccer pool, 23 players get 30-40 000 dollar per year. playing for 20 000 dollar in the nwsl.
            they then earn much less than they could do in europe.

            very very good for the nwsl club owners.

          • Elaine

            Not yet, but Amber may soon be on the NT. Then she will get that NT contract which gives her more money than the one from the NWSL.

          • gerd karl

            yes, when
            i hope that it does not suffer the same fate as keelin winters.

          • Elaine

            Nothing ventured, nothing gained. Perhaps TS has hinted to her from that Brazil game that she has a place on the NT. For the WC, 23 players get to be on that roster. Amber has a very good chance to be on that.

          • Steglitz49

            I think it is highly likely that we will se Amber in WC-15. She is a defensive midfielder who can contribute to the attack and can come up for set pieces. Also, she is an organizer.

            It is perfectly understandable that Amber would ask Bayern to release her from serving out her contract and it is to Bayern’s credit that they have agreed.

            Nevertheless, something must have irked the Bayern leadership for them to make the statement that they did. It is, after all, one of the very biggest names in soccer and has no need to make gratuitous remarks. Admittedly, it only echoes the one made by the PSG head coach a while back, but one is left with a sense of a not so coded signal here to other big teams.

            For the moment the obvious lady to benefit is the Swedish NT midfielder that Bayern just signed. Let’s hope that she has as great a time as Amber did at Bayern.

          • Rdalford

            Brooks tweeted that she had contract option that allowed her to return. So appears she believes she fulfilled terms of contract.

          • Steglitz49

            “We respect her desire to … and do not want to put obstacles in her way.” It sounds as if Bayern could have insisted but chose to voluntarily give up their right. Generous Bayern.

            The damage is done. Time will show whether foreign managers sign Americans, and whom.

          • Elaine

            Bayern, PSG, etc are irked because they had wished their US players would stay. Amber opt to use her option to not return. Blame the contract that Bayern drew up. I would like someone to explain what would Amber gain by staying with Bayern. I would argue her coming back to the States, to play for Portland at JeldWen, to attend camps and games for the NT, and to compete for a spot on the WC roster are more than enough reasons to return home.

          • Steglitz49

            Enforceable contracts are a feature of societies ruled by law. Democracies in short.

            “We respect her desire to … and do not want to put obstacles in her way.” It sounds as if Bayern could have enforced the contract but chose to voluntarily give up their rights. Generous of Bayern.

            The damage is done. Whether foreign managers ought to sign Americans is an interesting question to which time will give us the answer. I would not.

          • Elaine

            Can you tell Lyon and PSG to return Pinoe and Tobin for the start of our NWSL season? Much obliged :-)

          • Steglitz49

            Judging by the standings in the French D1 feminin Lyon could do without Pinoe’s services but PSG might still want to avail themselves of Tobin’s. I would not be surprised if either or both of them showed up for the start of the NWSL.

            Amber’s whole post-college development has been at Bayern. Had she continued with Bayern and been playing for them when (if) she was selected for WC-15, this would have felt good for her trainers and team-mates in Bayern. When Amber was taken into camp the first (only?) time, Bayern immediately posted it with great pride on their home page, congratulating her and praising her achievement. All their investment in Amber is gone with the wind.

            Soccer could be argued to be the only truly international team game for ladies. It is played everywhere. Women players can move from a club in one country to another. Nearly all the top clubs have foreign players. Apart from the three founding federations, the NWSL is full of various Brits, Australians, Germans and even a Spanish lass.

            This international exchange is such a positive feature of women’s soocer. This facet is strengthened by the lower salaries for women compared to the men.

            Let’s hope it is just a storm in a teacup. Nevertheless, there is a risk that American players now could be shut out from a big chunk of soccer’s sisterhood — let alone the money. First the PSG’s coach’s utterances. Then Liverpool and now Bayern see players bowing to the reality (whip) of USSF, while Tyresö acknowledge the same for a trio of players who were outside of the USNT elect and annointed.

            Brrr.

          • Elaine

            Amber has thanked wholeheartedly to her coaches and teammates at Bayern. But for her to be more available to TS in 2014, she elected to play at home. Nothing wrong with that and is the reality since Germany is miles away. As many have stated, clubs are the developmental tool but they are not the end, especially for young players on foreign soil whose dream is to be on the USNT. Although I concede that my opinion is from a US bias standpoint and probably not in sync with foreign sensitivities.

            International exchange is always positive, albeit in jobs, schools, and sports. But the fact is we are not talking about any US player, but specifically players in or consider to be part of the US player pool and thus part of the USWNT. Until other WNT (Germany, Japan, France, Sweden, etc) have more than 4 players in clubs overseas, the criticism heaped on USSF may then be justified.

          • Steglitz49

            The curious observation in this saga is, that one of the wealthiest sports clubs in the world makes a comment critical of the Federation of another country. Why?

            Did someone make flippant remark? Or a high-handed one? Did Bayern offer a very generous salary for beyond June 2014 and Amber or, more likely her agent, spellt out why money was not the issue and why she wanted out of her contract early as well?

            Everyone commentating here accept that being back in the US will increase Amber’s chances of being selected for the NT and play in Canada. Bayern may be forgiven if they took the view that the quality of Amber’s play should be enough for selection.

            Players play to win and all club and national teams want to win, and success of the NT is biggest, whatever anyone says. The Algarve cup started as an extension of Sweden’s winter training camp. From interviews with players like Hope and Lotta there has long been a mutual friendliness among players of various nationalitites in club teams, a spirit which seems to survive in many place not least in Japan judging by Bev and Becky. If winning at all costs means that this spirit is lost, then women’s soccer will have lost one of its reasons for existence. Sadly, it seems that USSF drive to win WC-15 may have done just that. As I typed, let’s hope it does not turn out that way.

            Regarding where players play, Sweden’s Ms Schelin, Asllani and Öqvist play in France, Göransson and Jakobsson in Germany (before that for Chelsea), while Thunebro was in Germany where Schough has just gone and Fischer earlier. Norway, Holland and Finland likewise have a whole host playing abroad. Japan has Mrs Ogimi in Chelsea, but she was in Potsdam for years, where she has been succeded by her kid sister Asano. Ms Kumagai played in Germany but moved to France. Ms Ohno, Otaki and Sameshima tried France, while Iwabuchi and Ando are in Germany. It is too early to tell how Japan will organize themselves leading up to WC-15. Germany, France and England are the teams with most money so one would expect most if not all their players to play domestic football.

          • Elaine

            This saga further illustrates the tug and pull debate of clubs vs federations. When one of the WoSo top federations of the world uses its clout, it gets noticed. While you clearly illustrates other NT players like those from Sweden,Japan,Holland, etc playing club not from their home countries, one must also take into context their federations’ status. I already posted the benefits financially of being on the USWNT. Compare that to the Brazilians which newsouth keeps reminding us is just sad.

          • Rdalford

            Yes it is curious that wealthy club made comments about us soccer federation. Also curious that your list of potential causes all seem to assume bad faith, bad behavior, etc by us player and/or us federation. I choose to believe the player who has stated that she executed a valid contract option and choose to return to play in us.

          • Steglitz49

            I am simply trying to make sense of Bayern’s words: “”We do not want to put obstacles in her way.”
            A club being able to put obstacles in her way does not sound like she or her agent executing a valid contract option. More like Bayern from a position of strength gave up their rights.

          • JW

            I’m sorry but I have to interject. You are listing national team players that for the most part still play in Europe except for the Japanese players. Having American players playing in Europe with games and camps in the US is a lot different than having Schelin playing in France than going back to Sweden for camps or games. The distance is greater and at a higher cost and more difficult to get the US Players released and available for these games. I have no fault with them deciding to come home regardless of what prompted them too…They are after all “US” players.

          • Steglitz49

            Your point is well taken but I was simply replying to Elaine’s statement — “Until other WNT (Germany, Japan, France, Sweden, etc) have more than 4 players in clubs overseas …”.

            Before the 2 previous US leagues collapsed in flames, an awful lot of European and Japanese players plied their trade in the US. Indeed, it could be argued that the 2012 debacle, which left players high and dry, contributed to the unease around the NWSL in its start-up phase.

            It is too early to tell but if European ladies’ teams stop signing American players, then the opportunities will shrink. There are enough young women wanting to play soccer, so why bother with a fickle supply however high the quality?

          • gerd karl

            anja mittag is in malmö, sweden, and linda bresonik and annike krahn are in psg, france.with permission of the DFB

          • Elaine

            Good of DFB. For USSF players Pinoe is in Lyon, Heath is in PSG, Press and Engen and Kling are in Tyreso, Not to exclude players on loan such as Krieger and Harris to Tyreso and Tymrak to Bayern. That’s 8 US players thousands of miles away as opposed to yours 3 in Europe.

          • ctsmith73

            Maybe Brooks wanted to play in a town that has a female soccer culture.

          • Steglitz49

            Do you understand his reference to Keelin Winters? (My own comments are not infrequently as clear as mud.)

            Is it that Ms Winters came loyally back to Seattle from Potsdam and saw Pinoe (and Tobin) swan off to France — and Seattle would have been relegated in a European league. Ms Brooks going to Portland presumably means that she will avoid the wooden spoon.

          • Elaine

            No, I think more like Winters was never capped for the NT and was dropped from the US player pool, thus ceased her NT contract. Gerd probably didn’t want Amber to have that same fate.

          • ctsmith73

            Agree with Elaine re: Winters. I don’t know why Brooks is heading back. I just enjoy pointing out all the fallacies Gerd clings to.

          • Elaine

            Sorry to answer a question not directed at me, but I had asked previously if someone can tell me why Brooks would want to stay at Bayern until June 2014 and not take her option to leave early and play for Portland. Any thoughts?

          • ctsmith73

            All things being equal, and having done the BM gig, Portland looks pretty good to me if I’m Brooks. I don’t know, though.

          • Elaine

            That’s my feeling too on why Amber decided to come back. Of all the US players that are overseas, Amber has the best situation to come back to. Even if she stayed at Bayern until June, she would probably not re-sign with them considering the time to push to be on the NT is in 2014.

          • Steglitz49

            I suspect it is a combination of the Bavarian recipe for apple pie is too different from Sarah Lee’s and once she tied the bow on her dirndl in the wrong place with predictable results, though I think those knödel take the biscuit.

          • Steglitz49

            Do you think this Karl Gerhard really is German? The typed English is too wonky for words. I am beginning to wonder if this is a fake. After all, jumbling the word order and throwing in the odd foreign word is not that difficult.

            “I like this write English crazy so only you readers difficult comprehension never understand can.”

          • ctsmith73

            Google Translator? Who would fake that and why?

          • Steglitz49

            He could see himself as the next Borat (aka Ali G). We don’t but he could.

          • gerd karl

            if someone has a different opinion, then you should not insult him, thank you.

          • gerd karl

            not, i’m real
            what i write is my opinion.

          • gerd karl

            yes, i’m german and yes my english is very bad.
            but i try to express my opinion of course with google translation .

          • Steglitz49

            Amber Brooks is 22 (about to be 23), the same age as Alex Morgan when she played in WC-11 and 2 years older than Saki Kumagai in the same final — in other words hardly, as you claim, “a very young player”.

            It is a free world and anyone may chose to do what they like, including to be released early from their contract to increase their chances to play for their NT. Amber’s wish was granted by Bayern, which must be counted them for merit.

            As I typed, let’s hope it works out for Amber and she plays in WC-15. Nevertheless, one is left with a sense that some damage has been done to the next lot of American ladies who want a chance to play abroad. Trust is a two way street.

          • gerd karl

            what do say otherwise, it is in the uswnt camp.

          • GJANGO

            Calling someone’s opinion stupid just because it differs from yours is stupid.

  • gerd karl

    amber brooks is a very good fooball player and very sympathic football player.
    nobody is angry with her

    but, as a german, der amerikanische fussballverband, ussoccer, ist SCHEISSE

    • Guenther Netzer-Kant

      gerd.karl, one post above you are complaining to be called an “idiot” and then you call ussoccer very respectless and rude “scheisse”.
      So what do you want?
      Interesting forum discussions with proper argumentation or just posting childesh and irritating postings?
      So why is the federation of ussoccer so bad?
      But you may also want to continue to discuss with your antipole Silver Frost results of potential games of Bundesliga-Clubs against NWSL clubs.

      • tom fruin

        I would say that right now, Frankfurt is the best ‘club’ team in the world! I love the way Bundeliga teams fight hard for every inch of space on the field! But on the negative side; way too many injuries! I take it it’s from too many tackles due to the preferred short passing that many of the teams play.in Bundesliga. I think it’s an issue that officials need to look into

        • Steglitz49

          The reality is that injuries are more common in ladies soccer than men’s. They are at least twice as common, and serious injuries like weight-bearing pivoting injuries to the knees is the most serious ones.

          I do not know whether the way soccer is played under NCAA rules in US colleges leads to less injuries but if that is the case, then FIFA should consider which changes may benefit the ladies game. It may be that soccer needs some sex-specific rules, that is different rules for the two sexes.

          Which team is the best in any one year seems impossible to answer. The NWSL did not send a team to the MobCast cup for example. At a stage in the ladies game when internationals reliably pull in much bigger crowds than team matches, the time-honored strategy of country based internationals seems to be the obvious way for now.

          • gerd karl

            football is football, whether women or men.
            the same rules for both.
            football is a sacred game, which should also understand the americans.

            football clubs in germany 100 years old, fan culture, loyal to the club, that’s because most important of all.

          • Steglitz49

            I agree with you in principle. Nevertheless, if it can be shown that some simple rule change would significantly reduce the risk of a young lady suffering a serious injury then that rule must be changed. FIFA cannot knowingly let women run the risk of injuries that can be prevented. Basta.

          • gerd karl

            no not basta, you american and american NOT understand football.

          • Steglitz49

            Please remember Karl Gerhard, that “to have been born an Englishman is to have pulled the winning ticket in the lottery of life”.

            I do not know if it applies to Englishwomen as well. Nevertheless, if a simple rule change reduced the risk of injury significantly, then it must be introduced.

          • gerd karl

            no, no rule change
            football is not the formula 1

            we do not want that an american comes to the idea helmets introduce.
            or breast protection, or which is played only 30 minutes.
            men football and women football must remain the same.
            BASTA BASTA BASTA BASTA

          • ctsmith73

            So when is your next hiatus?

          • tom fruin

            I was also thinking that perhaps the Bundesliga pushes it’s youngsters a little too quickly up the ladder; Maro started playing 1st Division pro at 14. But at least she hasn’t had major inuries like other kids. Kyra Malinowski was touted as perhaps Germany’s top forward potential ever. But she’s has to quit soccer all together at age 19 after suffering significant injuries. We’ve seen Alexandria Popp(who should of been the next Alex Morgan based on goal scoring records at the u20 wc) skills diminishing after getting hurt several times in Bundesliga play. Same thing can be said of Lena Lotzen. These youngsters might have the skills, but the maturity might not be there yet & their bodies stil have some growing to do

          • Steglitz49

            Indeed. One of the talented new young Swedish players landed awkwardly and injured her knee in the very first match last season. Every time I see a young lady hit the ground I worry about a knee injury.

            My concern with the NCAA is the number of concussions that are reported. This may be artificial in the sense of over-caution. Iow, it may not be a real difference compared to Europe. There could be a “dark” number for European women, just as it is for men generally — that is, the number of concussion diagnoses for girls in the NCAA could simply reflect a higher standard of pitch-side care and a lower threshold for keeping girls off the pitch as a precaution after an injury.

      • gerd karl

        ussoccer has amber brooks put under pressure to come back home
        and therefore ussoccer is SCHEISSE.

        • Joe

          You are a Scheisse with your stupid Germany is superior. I like Germany and I think they are highly impressive but they didn’t look all that great in the Euros and got lucky to make the final. They did play well in the final so I’ll give them that but give me a break with the Germany women are superior crap. If not for a cheating ref in the game between the US and Germany in Germany the US would have won that game. The Germans needed a crooked Ref to get back in the game.

          • gerd karl

            pray do not envy.
            the referee was good, the uswnt performance at the conclusion of the game was very bad.

  • wosofan

    Soccer-related point: How is Brooks and different or any better than Mariah Nogueira, who played for the Breakers last year? I will never see what coaches see in Brooks. Her movements, touch, and style also resemble Carli Lloyd’s, minus Carli’s superior athleticism and size and shooting ability.

    • tom fruin

      I got the feeling TS is at an experimental stage and wants to use Brooks as a lone DM/sweeper in sort of a diamond shape midfield. Brooks had some experience with this at Bayern and played that spot against Brazil. Lloyd & Nogueira your talking more of attacking midfielders?

      • Steglitz49

        I agree. He is thinking of her in the same terms as how Bobby Moore and Beckenbauer played. As organizer of the midfield and a good marker but who also could come up in attack.

        Let’s hope Amber can stay injury-free and fulfill her potential.

  • tom fruin

    here’s Brooks, Hagen Tymrak & Krieger at camp, but remembering German food & apparently foul language
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJihTkqkDpQ

  • Let’s be REAL

    Let’s be real for a second, these Brooks tweets might as well have ended with “xoxo- Heif”.

    IF there was no pressure whatsoever, she wouldn’t have tweeted about it AT ALL.
    She would have had a good giggle at her google translate version of her former club’s press release.
    Instead she felt like she had to speak up about it. I WONDER WHY.

    Bayern’s GM is a very reasonable woman with no reason to make things up. Saying what she did, can possible only work AGAINST her in the future. After all, you never know what they’ve been promising Hagen in camp.
    (Hagen is a lovely player, but she’ll never be better than Press, and she’ll never be more marketable than Flopbach, Morgan and Leroux.)

    So stop being so gullible. Or don’t. Whatever. A whole bunch of us have been laughing our asses off at the comments in this thread. It’s a thing of beauty.

    • Joe

      Let’s not and let’s be rational. Stop being paranoid. The girl tweeted her own feelings. US Soccer doesn’t control twitter accounts.

  • EbaJ

    In DC we are hearing that Ali Krieger and Ashlyn Harris have been denied the opportunity to return to finish the CL league with Tyreso. Krieger has returned to WC ’11 form when she was the best right back in the world. Going up against Marta and Press everyday can only help her. At most these players would be back in week six of the NWSL. It is interesting that some players Engen, Press, etc. are going back while it is obvious the USSoccer/Spirit management are blocking others. What is the deal with this inequity?

    • pressed

      Engen, Press and Klingy don’t have a contract with any other team to hold them back. US Soccer is really gonna need Press and Engen in the future, so pissing them off by somehow (I woulnd’t know how) stopping them from trying to win the Champions League, would be a BAD IDEA.

      Krieger is too nice to get pissed off at US Soccer and Harris is no longer in the player pool.

      • Joe

        Give it a rest. The US have enough talent to get passed missing out on Press and Engen. They have in the past. You think Whitney Engen is us soccer’s prized possession? And Press is extremely talented and very good but name one goal she had against a quality opponent for the National team? Sweden or Germany? She was in the game for both. Stop with your conspiracy theories that don’t hold water and get a life.

        • stay pressed

          She played 10 minutes vs Sweden in a game where the US didn’t push anything after the hour mark, since all they needed was a draw to advance to the final.
          (I was at the game btw, so don’t even try to tell me otherwise.)

          The Germany game: You mean the one in which she had to stick to the right sideline cause she wasn’t one of the 2 strikers? The one in which the US scored twice in the first half after defensive stuff-ups by Germany, and then locked it down? The one in which she was subbed off in the 2nd half?

          Those games? Yeah, how dare she not score in those.

          I’m not saying she’s their most important player, Wambach and Morgan will probably be the starters and Leroux the super sub, but that’s not cause Press isn’t better than any of them.
          Press is a much better 90 minute player than Leroux will ever be. Morgan is good, but has been disappointing for a while now, which may be injury-related, but that’s hard to tell at this point. Wambach, well…I don’t need to explain what’s been going on with her, do I?

          By the way, I’ve never used to word conspiracy, and won’t start using it now. So no need to ‘defend’ myself against that accusation.

          PS: (Engen is a lot better than Buehler, a lot more dangerous than Broon and…if we give it another year, definitely faster than Rampone :) )

          • Joe

            Yet Pinoe is able to score from those positions and within that time frame without any problem…Stop making excuses… Again your argument holds no water.. Try again.

          • Jay

            Engen is not more dangerous than Broon but she is good and your argument is that she will be faster because Rampone will age..Thank you captain obvious.. Yeah good argument except she isn’t even faster than Buehler so again nice try.. Keep your head firmly up Press’ butt because that’s where it seems to be..

          • Buehldozed

            Buehler is not a defender. She’s a butcher.

          • Jay

            You maybe right but she is still faster than Engen

          • oh come on

            Is that why she’s always late with her tackles?

          • Steglitz49

            That is uncalled for.

          • Stay Pressed

            I’m on my phone, well, a phone I’m borrowing while I’m waiting for my new one to be delivered (which you know since you seem to stalk my tweets), so replying is a b***h. Will get back to you tomorrow.. Until then…..stay pressed :-) .

          • Stay Pressed

            Pinoe has been a midfielder since forever, while Press has been a striker all her life.
            Pinoe has been with the team longer, so has gelled more.
            Those are REASONS, not EXCUSES.

            You also need to factor in different tactics per game, per half of the game even.
            Do you even watch the games? Cause you can tell yourself I don’t make sense all you want, you’re the one who doesn’t seem to understand how the game works.
            You can’t back up why Press should indeed be fourth choice. Yet I gave you REASONS (not excuses) when you asked why she didn’t score on those 2 games….

          • Joe

            Ok Mandy troll on. You are the biggest Morgan hater there is regardless of what she does. I like Press I do but how about some clarity and let her prove herself a little more on the National team. It was her choice to stay in the college realms instead of taking her chances on the National team like Morgan. You’re excuse is always because it’s a Morgan fangirl and fanboy but yet to show where Your favorite has proven herself worthy of starting. As for mine she helped the team in the World Cup Semifinal and Final plus the Olympics not to mention an outstanding year least year where she was robbed by Abby for POY. Do I think Press has gotten a raw deal? Yes I have but now let her have her time to prove herself like Morgan has in big games. Until that sit down and be quite with your Morgan hate.

          • Joe

            sorry your, than and quiet. Thank you. Troll on as usual

          • Joe

            geez then…

          • Stay Pressed

            Oops, meant to reply to this one, and now accidentally even voted it down. Sorry. This thing and its browser suck.

          • Stay Pressed

            Me: US Soccer is really gonna need Press and Engen in the future.
            Y’all:
            - Right sure USSF is at the beck and call of Christen Press and Whitney Engen.
            - If Press has so much power like you claim
            - You think Whitney Engen is us soccer’s prized possession?

            Joe: name one goal she had against a quality opponent for the National team? Sweden or Germany? She was in the game for both.

            Me: She played 10 minutes vs Sweden in a game where the US didn’t push anything after the hour mark, since all they needed was a draw to advance to the final. (I was at the game btw, so don’t even try to tell me otherwise.)

            The Germany game: You mean the one in which she had to stick to the right sideline cause she wasn’t one of the 2 strikers? The one in which the US scored twice in the first half after defensive stuff-ups by Germany, and then locked it down? The one in which she was subbed off in the 2nd half?

            Those games? Yeah, how dare she not score in those.

            I’m not saying she’s their most important player, Wambach and Morgan will probably be the starters and Leroux the super sub, but that’s not cause Press isn’t better than any of them. Press is a much better 90 minute player than Leroux will ever be. Morgan is good, but
            has been disappointing for a while now, which may be injury-related, but that’s hard to tell at this point. Wambach, well…I don’t need to explain what’s been going on with her, do I?

            Joe: Hey Mandy do you think people would care half as much about what you say if you and Roo didn’t hate on Morgan in every other tweet? You and the media
            use her to get noticed. You are the one that is a joke. Envy is an ugly, ugly thing…

            Ok Mandy troll on. You are the biggest Morgan hater there is regardless of what she does. I like Press I do but how about some clarity and let her prove herself a little more on the National team. It was her choice to stay in the college realms instead of taking her chances on the National team like Morgan. You’re excuse is always because it’s a Morgan fangirl and fanboy but yet to show where Your favorite has proven herself worthy of starting. As for mine she helped the team in the World Cup Semifinal and Final plus the Olympics not to mention an outstanding year least year where she was robbed by Abby for POY. Do I think Press has gotten a raw deal? Yes I have but now let her have her time to prove herself like Morgan has in big games. Until that sit down and be quite with your Morgan hate.
            ——————————————————

            So, I’m real happy for you that you managed to figure out my name/twitter handle , real happy, (even though it’s a
            little creepy since I have NO idea who you are), but since you’re just gonna twist all my words, I can’t find a reason to keep on replying to you.

          • Joe

            Hey Mandy do you think people would care half as much about what you say if you and Roo didn’t hate on Morgan in every other tweet? You and the media use her to get noticed. You are the one that is a joke. Envy is an ugly, ugly thing…

          • Joe

            It’s tough to decide the worst thing to happen to the USWNT team. Greg Ryan, Brandi as a commentator or the team gaining you and that other stooge as fans. Pitting two great players on the same team (Press and Morgan) against each other is quite pathetic.

          • Steglitz49

            “Daciding the worst thing to happen to the USWNT” is easy: Alex Morgan having to retire through injury before the next WC. What possibly could be worse?

          • Stay Pressed

            1: “Pitting two great players on the same team (Press and Morgan) against each other is quite pathetic.”

            2: “And Press is extremely talented and very good but name one goal she had against a quality opponent for the National team? Sweden or Germany?”

            3: “Yet Pinoe is able to score from those positions and within that time frame without any problem…

            Ok Joe. Ok.

          • Roo

            I’m famous!!! Bow down, bitches.

          • J.

            Who’s Mandy?

          • Stay Pressed

            Someone who wants to “get noticed by tweeting s**t about Morgan” together with fellow tweeter Roo… Who, much like Mandy, hardly ever actually tweets about Morgan.

          • NYRick

            Absolutely tremendous post, thank you. And so spot on.

            I’m a big Press fan and certainly somewhat bias, but it is no stretch at all for anyone who is being somewhat objective to consider her the most talented forward in the program RIGHT NOW. Yes, that includes Morgan. The fact that this girl is #4 on the food chain of US forwards is beyond laughable. The reasons why are quite obvious and no need to hash them out anymore. I, and others, have done so repeatedly and more than stated the case. I think the one thing that does annoy me with any Press mentions is the ridiculous comments about her not scoring in big games yet. If she played as a starting 90 minute forward on this particular NT team, chock full of talent across the pitch, she would no doubt be the top scorer and headline stealer for the national team. That is the absolute last thing the USSF wants with Alex and Abby the poster girls. She played most of her NT minutes in 2013 as a midfielder and still scored 8 goals in half the minutes of the forward starters. Oh yeah, that was against poor competition, I forgot, sorry. As if Abby and Alex have scored every one of their career goals against Germany. The only thing separating Press and Alex and even Syd right now is caps and minutes as a forward. Not talent. And yes, she would put the ball in the net against Germany, Japan, and whoever too. It’s a joke really to believe otherwise. The Female Favre controls all the cards for the forward minutes on this team however, and Press is not on her Christmas list for sure.

            As for Engen, you are once again absolutely correct. She is our best central defender in the program RIGHT NOW. It is ludicrous to have Buehler, and even Brunn in any minutes before her on the pitch. As for Rampone, she has earned her status, and can leave or play as long as she can on her terms. I don’t think she will want to embarrass herself or her legacy. I think she retires before WC15. Engen and Press are two players that the program should cater more to, but their Euro desires and non NWSL status make it easy for the USSF to cast them both in the background. So stupid. We’ll see what 2014 holds for both. I’m not confident.

          • NYRick

            And for the record, before someone says something to the contrary, I am not hating on Morgan here. Not one bit. I think she is the most important player in terms of visibility in the sport, and certainly an outstanding and impactful player. But she hasn’t been as stellar this past year, that’s fact. Whether some of that is due to injury is fair.

            But in my opinion, and that’s all any of us have on here, she is not the best forward on the team, Press is. It’s like if we were talking about NFL QBs, and I said Aaron Rodgers is the best, and you said Drew Brees or Payton Manning or Tom Brady. No big deal, just a differing of opinion through observation. No one is exactly correct. However, the lack of objectivity when discussing these matters is what’s surprising by some.

          • Steglitz49

            I thought that the gnomes of Zurich had decided over the years that Marta, Sawa and Abby were the greatest, and we are simply waiting to learn whether for once a goalie will get the nod.

          • NYRick

            Your ex-patriot, Henrik Lundquist, has never won the MVP of the NHL. Two years ago he had a very legitimate claim. Goalies rarely get the credit, but I think Angerer gets the vote this time, if that’s what you’re referring to. Unless of course Abby gets another lifetime achievement award. “Hallmark Abby.”

          • Steglitz49

            After WC-11 hope got the Golden Gloves when it was Kaihori who stopped those penalties and a whole load of shots in open play. I saw that as a political statement by FIFA.

            In Angerer’s case, I agree with you because had the first penalty gone in, Norway would have taken the lead in a tight game. Had the second one gone in Norway would have equalized and the force been with them. Obviously, had both penalties gone in, Norway would have won. Thus, there is a good chance of Nadine getting the award but it is far from certain.

            In hockey, at least in the Stanley Cup, the goalie can lose you the game but I don’t think that he can win it for you. He can in the World Cup and Olympics because of the penalities settling tied games, but in the Stanley cup.you play extra time don’t you? Maybe I am out of date or simply wrong about the Stanley cup.

      • givemeabreak

        Right sure USSF is at the beck and call of Christen Press and Whitney Engen. If you believe that I have some magic beans to sell you. If any players have USSF on call it’s Morgan and Wambach….That’s it.

        • NYRick

          I agree with you on this point 100%. Morgan and Wambach are the only players that matter to the USSF in the program for promotional reasons…not talent reasons.

      • Reality

        If Press has so much power like you claim why didn’t she return to Sweden long term since she claims to love it there? I’ll tell you why because she is the fourth string forward on the National team and wants to make a push to become a starter or for minutes for the World Cup and Olympics. She can’t make up ground if the coach doesn’t see her play on a regular basis or can’t be counted on to be in camp or for games. Your claim is crap at best.

        • NYRick

          You are far more the optimist on this matter, but the reality (no pun) is that Press can not move up ahead of the other 3 without injury to the other 3, and no one is of course rooting for that. It is just the way it is, fair or not. Any observer of the team the past few years can easily surmise that. I think the only thing she probably wants from the NT in terms of career aspirations is just being on the team and getting a medal at both WC15 and OG16. No shame in either, the USWNT is obviously a very difficult team to even make. I would however love to see her come to the NWSL in June and light it up for two months. That would be amusing.

          She will make both the WC and OG teams in her sleep less injury, and be the good soldier and root on her teammates alongside the Gatorade bucket on the bench. At least she has a nice seat for all the action and gets some traveling and diner perks. She will play garbage minutes in both tournaments (similar to what ARod played at OG12) and will smile through her teeth and grin and bear it, as the Female Favre and Alex dominate the headlines win or lose. This is the easiest possible prediction to make about the NT for the next two years.

    • Joe

      Maybe because those two players signed a contract with the Spirit and are being asked to honor said contract… My gosh holding adult women to contracts they’ve signed what is the world coming to.

      • Steglitz49

        “Holding adult women to contracts they’ve signed”, seems to be the basis of most of the discussion on this article, to wit that Bayern Munich released Ms Brooks from her contract instead of putting obstacles in her way.

    • JW

      I highly doubt that you are from DC because if you were, you would know that Krieger and Harris were on loan and this wouldn’t even be an issue.

    • Indaface

      Harris and Krieger are bound contract wise to Spirit. And they decided to hold them to that contract and therefor not let them go on a 2nd loan deal. Engen, Press and Klingy are not bound yet and could therefor easily stay till June.

      Allocation wise Harris could still be on the list. She decided to stay and could’ve had ‘allocated’ reasons for doing so.

  • Stay Pressed

    Can someone help me find my posts in which I was hating on Morgan? I seem to have misplaced them.
    I just think, based upon games I’ve seen, that Press is the better player. I don’t see how that makes me a Morgan hater tbh.
    Comparing players is not pitting them against each other. At least, not in my book.

    • Steglitz49

      laissez majestée?

  • Steglitz49

    How on earth has this topic generated 337 comments? Bizarre! 37 would already have been too man.

    • morSOC

      Apparently not as you have subjected us to over 40 comments.